Overheard at Work

[notquitefrugal]

We got our pay slips the other day and I made the mistake of saying I had forgotten it was payday! The reaction was priceless.

[Seppia]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

[Rezdent]

 Washing clothes is ridiculously expensive even if you do it at home. At home, drying a load of clothes costs $1-$3 per load and washing costs another $1 per load in water and gas to heat the water and electricity to spin the tank.

Not sure where you got these silly ideas, but it doesn't take much thought to reach the conclusion that your figures are wildly overblown.  Going by your highest figure, my electric bill would be roughly double, so it just doesn't add up. A quick Google search was coming up with figures of less than a dollar, all in, wash, dry, water soap, electric, hot water etc.. To further drill down, this calculator

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/laundry.html

gave me an exact # of $0.83 a load. This is in an all electric home with a mostly hot and warm water being used. There are other locations and techniques where doing the job is a fraction of my cost.

Hmm.

Last time I ran a cost analysis was about 18 months ago, and our loads were costing almost 2 dollars then, still cheaper than a laundromat.  I'm guessing some of the difference is older, CL-procured machines, cheaper to buy but more costly to run.
Energy and water costs are also part of the difference.
I am on coop for electricity, no options to change.
Dryer is propane, so costs change with every tank.
Water is still cheap, but costs more than larger cities because we are on a small community water supplier.

All the more reason for us to optimize loads.

[Tamster]

Thanks for the laundry link calculation site, I'm totally geeking out. :)

This was from my last job:

CW: so I owe a bunch of money in back real estate taxes. They keep sending me foreclosure notices.

Me: (after picking my jaw up) so when are you going to pay it?

CW: I don't know, I have a lot of other bills, plus our cell phones got shut off because I forgot to pay that bill.

[maco]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

[MgoSam]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

[Cressida]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

I think some people are misunderstanding maco's comment. The "drastic example" situation that MgoSam brought up usually goes something like this:

X is bad.
Rape is bad.
Therefore X is as bad as rape.

Which is a dumb argument. But this isn't what maco said. They said something more like this:

X is bad.
Rape is a lot worse.
Even though rape is really bad, people often rationalize rape after the fact as being not as bad as it actually was.
If people can rationalize away the badness of rape, they can easily rationalize away the badness of X since it's not as bad as rape.

See? Not the same thing.

[Seppia]

Thanks MgoSam.
Sexual harassment is a terrible thing.
A gay guy that says "is that your milk" should at most make people laugh, not scream SEXUAL HARASSMENT! when the actual recipient of the comment has stated that there's no problem at all.
I absolutely adore the United States, but this ultra-attention to stupid stuff like this is detestable.

[Argyle]

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

[HairyUpperLip]

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

Is your family Hindu?

I have a Hindu cousin that switched from Hinduism to Rastafarian and another Hindu friend that switched to some form of Christianity. I have a lot of trouble understanding their choice on the switch.

Of course they both did it for their SO's.

[mtn]

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

Sounds like he is a socially retarded guy who wasn't making a joke, or trying to be offensive at all, and aside from being horribly awkward and probably embarrassing himself (if he even realized it), didn't do anything wrong.

If a three year old asked that, would you say it was harassment? Offensive? I hope not. I'm guessing it is a similar situation here.

[MgoSam]

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

Is your family Hindu?

I have a Hindu cousin that switched from Hinduism to Rastafarian and another Hindu friend that switched to some form of Christianity. I have a lot of trouble understanding their choice on the switch.

Of course they both did it for their SO's.

Yeah

[Playing with Fire UK]

That's nothing. I drink water while standing on the same ground that sometimes has dog crap on it.

[Anje]

From todays lunch. Discussion around interest on loan.

CW1: "Company A has interest on house loan on 2,1 %"
CW2 is suitably impressed
CW1: "you've got to have at least 50% self capital, though"
CW2 is totally bummed.
CW1: "Yea, me and the missus have payed down hard on loan since we got out of college, so now we have more freedom. We pay around $ 2.500 a month."
CW2: "Yea, so do we. We just have a LOT of loan"

Yea. Maybe because CW2 bought that house in the absolutely most expencive part of an area stretching aprox 2 hours drive in any direction? And it isn't even close to work...

[Kitsunegari]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

I think some people are misunderstanding maco's comment. The "drastic example" situation that MgoSam brought up usually goes something like this:

X is bad.
Rape is bad.
Therefore X is as bad as rape.

Which is a dumb argument. But this isn't what maco said. They said something more like this:

X is bad.
Rape is a lot worse.
Even though rape is really bad, people often rationalize rape after the fact as being not as bad as it actually was.
If people can rationalize away the badness of rape, they can easily rationalize away the badness of X since it's not as bad as rape.

See? Not the same thing.

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

UPDATE:
The guy was deadly serious when he ask me if it was my milk. I would have been pissed if he was joking about it, but he wasn't.
Anyway, I mentioned milk today in a different context and he told me he wanted to explain his comment for the other day: He was asking me it was milk from my farm animals, as some months earlier I mentioned that my DH wants to get a cow or a goat. But his English is not perfect (he's latino), and it came out wrong, and when everybody started laughing he was too embarassed to explain himself.

[astvilla]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

I think some people are misunderstanding maco's comment. The "drastic example" situation that MgoSam brought up usually goes something like this:

X is bad.
Rape is bad.
Therefore X is as bad as rape.

Which is a dumb argument. But this isn't what maco said. They said something more like this:

X is bad.
Rape is a lot worse.
Even though rape is really bad, people often rationalize rape after the fact as being not as bad as it actually was.
If people can rationalize away the badness of rape, they can easily rationalize away the badness of X since it's not as bad as rape.

See? Not the same thing.

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

UPDATE:
The guy was deadly serious when he ask me if it was my milk. I would have been pissed if he was joking about it, but he wasn't.
Anyway, I mentioned milk today in a different context and he told me he wanted to explain his comment for the other day: He was asking me it was milk from my farm animals, as some months earlier I mentioned that my DH wants to get a cow or a goat. But his English is not perfect (he's latino), and it came out wrong, and when everybody started laughing he was too embarassed to explain himself.

Yeah I wasn't sure what all the hoopla and lynching from the other posters was about.  I was led to believe at first it sounded like what people thought of as sexual harassment.  But when I read and thought about it a bit more, I realized that maybe it was cow milk or something and maybe she had a cow or something.  We didn't know the whole background story that kitsune didn't provide so I thought, well you do put cow's milk into drinks so maybe that's what it was but we don't know.  Anyways I refrained from drawing conclusions until all explanations/evidence was presented...you know, innocent until guilty.

I wonder if that's something wrong with our culture.  It's impossible to convey all details, tone, imagery, of something happening at a particular moment in just text, few do that very well.  We're so quick to lynch people, hang'em on the cross by putting words into peoples' mouths to details we're missing.  I mean we weren't there so we can't cast judgement on the guy.  Kitsune knows it better than us that it was sexual harassment.  That's why she said it wasn't harassment.

It's an issue I'm seeing in comments from media and stories.  Guilty until innocent.  Fiction over fact.  Too many news stories I've watched where details are omitted or slanted to a direction to tell a specific narrative to generate shock, anger, and confirmation of their viewers' prejudices, biases.  You fill the details to fit your "idea" of what happened instead of what actually happened.  Like the Columbia student and the mattress looking to win the court of public opinion, and not the court of law.  We likely will never know what happens in these events so we fill in it ourselves based on our opinions.

It's why I can't stand strongly opinionated people, "extremists...I guess?"  Feminists, misogynists, conservatives, liberals, etc.  They already tell you the story w/out knowing what it is.  They jump to conclusions based on what they believe, not what it actually is and try to buy/manipulate thoughts/minds/influence that way which is really dangerous and the power of US media.  People let emotions and personal beliefs guide the facts on other peoples' stories they don't know about.  It's judging others w/out the background to judge to validate their world view w/out actually knowing the world.  Making people feel like they know everything and when in agreement, collect clicks and money.

This happened to me before on MMM forums.  I made a post some took offense to.  People lynched me.  I explained what I was better trying to say and actually said.  They all apologized and understood and some even agreed w/me later.  There was balance.  There's too much jumping to conclusions these days.  Unless you were there to experience it, we can only conjecture, not make firm statements.


Quite shameful and sad really. 

[FatCat]

UPDATE:
The guy was deadly serious when he ask me if it was my milk. I would have been pissed if he was joking about it, but he wasn't.
Anyway, I mentioned milk today in a different context and he told me he wanted to explain his comment for the other day: He was asking me it was milk from my farm animals, as some months earlier I mentioned that my DH wants to get a cow or a goat. But his English is not perfect (he's latino), and it came out wrong, and when everybody started laughing he was too embarassed to explain himself.

Weirdly enough, I would have just assumed he was asking about milk from your farm animals. It's not at all unusual for people to bring their own milk to work here from their own goats or cows. Asking someone in the lunchroom if they're using their own milk or their own eggs or their own vegetables is not odd at all.

But regarding the question as it was assumed in the situation... If he was asking if it was your own personal human milk as a joke, I would be pissed too. If he's legitimately asking because he's doesn't know that it's an inappropriate question to ask, then I wouldn't be mad about it.

[wkumtrider]

A coworker flew his family of 4 to TX to purchase a new truck and drive it back home (about 840 miles one way).  Apparently he saved $12,000 buying it in TX instead of his home town, so even with the airfare, hotel, and gas cost he still came out ahead.

[Rollin]

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

He (the poster above) didn't say "it was just a joke" he said Harden the ....up.  There is a difference.  Now on to more foam - where do you buy your pickles and do ya like the dill or Polish better (sorry if I offend the bread and butter people)?

[Kitsunegari]

UPDATE:
The guy was deadly serious when he ask me if it was my milk. I would have been pissed if he was joking about it, but he wasn't.
Anyway, I mentioned milk today in a different context and he told me he wanted to explain his comment for the other day: He was asking me it was milk from my farm animals, as some months earlier I mentioned that my DH wants to get a cow or a goat. But his English is not perfect (he's latino), and it came out wrong, and when everybody started laughing he was too embarassed to explain himself.

Weirdly enough, I would have just assumed he was asking about milk from your farm animals. It's not at all unusual for people to bring their own milk to work here from their own goats or cows. Asking someone in the lunchroom if they're using their own milk or their own eggs or their own vegetables is not odd at all.

But regarding the question as it was assumed in the situation... If he was asking if it was your own personal human milk as a joke, I would be pissed too. If he's legitimately asking because he's doesn't know that it's an inappropriate question to ask, then I wouldn't be mad about it.

I wasn't mad about it, just speechless. It didn't occur to us that could be talking about farm animals because we work in the middle of a big industrial city, and farm animals are as rare as albino crows here. 

[mm1970]

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

I can see this, but for me, it would be context.

A gay guy, non-American, who grew up sheltered and clearly didn't know what was appropriate, saying that?  I'd shrug it off and maybe start teaching him what was appropriate.

Someone else who should know better, and who says stuff like that often?  Totally different, because then it becomes a thing.  (And honestly, I did have to deal with harassment at work at the hands of a gay guy.  Not "sexual" harassment, but just general being an asshole harassment.)

[zolotiyeruki]

A coworker flew his family of 4 to TX to purchase a new truck and drive it back home (about 840 miles one way).  Apparently he saved $12,000 buying it in TX instead of his home town, so even with the airfare, hotel, and gas cost he still came out ahead.

Wow, that one's got a few layers on it!  I actually understand the motivation to fly somewhere to get a better deal on a car, especially if you live in the upper midwest and go to a warmer climate to get a rust-free car.  But taking your whole family down there?  That's a bit wasteful.  The idea of spending so much on a truck that it's even *possible* to save $12k is mind-boggling.  $12k is the *most* we've ever spent on a vehicle!

[enigmaT120]

A coworker flew his family of 4 to TX to purchase a new truck and drive it back home (about 840 miles one way).  Apparently he saved $12,000 buying it in TX instead of his home town, so even with the airfare, hotel, and gas cost he still came out ahead.

I did that.  Well, I flew to Phoenix AZ to get my '04 Honda Insight and drove it home.  They're so expensive here in Oregon for some reason that if you could stand all the driving, you could make money doing it.  I hate driving.  But yeah, I got the car, plane tickets, lodging for two nights, food from stores, and a little for gas for way less than what higher mileage examples were going for in my area.  And I got to see Joshua Trees.

[gimp]

"If you can stand to do all the driving" ... yes, all that horrible seeing the beautiful country we live in... it's a vacation!

"I think it's offensive and unfunny" I want to start a company where people who use that phrase aren't hired. I don't really even care what it's referring to. Oh no, it's offensive. Life is hard being offended.

[maco]

"If you can stand to do all the driving" ... yes, all that horrible seeing the beautiful country we live in... it's a vacation!

"I think it's offensive and unfunny" I want to start a company where people who use that phrase aren't hired. I don't really even care what it's referring to. Oh no, it's offensive. Life is hard being offended.

I get the impression there are a lot of people who just don't get that the idea "that's offensive" is in no way a new thing, just a new phrasing. The old phrasing was "them's fightin' words."

[FatCat]

A coworker flew his family of 4 to TX to purchase a new truck and drive it back home (about 840 miles one way).  Apparently he saved $12,000 buying it in TX instead of his home town, so even with the airfare, hotel, and gas cost he still came out ahead.

Wow, that one's got a few layers on it!  I actually understand the motivation to fly somewhere to get a better deal on a car, especially if you live in the upper midwest and go to a warmer climate to get a rust-free car.  But taking your whole family down there?  That's a bit wasteful.  The idea of spending so much on a truck that it's even *possible* to save $12k is mind-boggling.  $12k is the *most* we've ever spent on a vehicle!

I'm guessing they took the whole family so they could turn it into a road trip vacation.

[MgoSam]

A coworker flew his family of 4 to TX to purchase a new truck and drive it back home (about 840 miles one way).  Apparently he saved $12,000 buying it in TX instead of his home town, so even with the airfare, hotel, and gas cost he still came out ahead.

Wow, that one's got a few layers on it!  I actually understand the motivation to fly somewhere to get a better deal on a car, especially if you live in the upper midwest and go to a warmer climate to get a rust-free car.  But taking your whole family down there?  That's a bit wasteful.  The idea of spending so much on a truck that it's even *possible* to save $12k is mind-boggling.  $12k is the *most* we've ever spent on a vehicle!

I'm guessing they took the whole family so they could turn it into a road trip vacation.

If that's the case, then this would be definitely anti-antimustacian (apart from possibly getting a truck in the first place).

[Le Barbu]

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

He (the poster above) didn't say "it was just a joke" he said Harden the ....up.  There is a difference.  Now on to more foam - where do you buy your pickles and do ya like the dill or Polish better (sorry if I offend the bread and butter people)?

I don't buy pickles since I usually bring my own

[Nangirl17]

Was chatting with a student and she said, "Oh, you should check out ___ (new store to the area), it's great!"
I mentioned that I had driven by it the day before and saw it, but had no reason to go in, since I didn't need anything there.
She gave me the strangest look as if she couldn't comprehend why I wouldn't go in just to "shop"

[BDWW]

Was chatting with a student and she said, "Oh, you should check out ___ (new store to the area), it's great!"
I mentioned that I had driven by it the day before and saw it, but had no reason to go in, since I didn't need anything there.
She gave me the strangest look as if she couldn't comprehend why I wouldn't go in just to "shop"

The city I live outside of has been going on a boom for the last couple decades(doubled in population in the last 15 years). Anyway, there's always some new construction, or new store coming to town. People always get excited and talk about it at work. "Do you know what's going in at the corner of such and such?" Me aloud: "No idea" internally: "Don't know, Don't care." I'm not lacking in places to get what I need to live now, and some new trendy store/restaurant is not going to change that.

[nobodyspecial]

Same here - except the new construction is always a condo tower or a boutique mall replacing the cheap ethnic food market that was there.

[SwordGuy]

"If you can stand to do all the driving" ... yes, all that horrible seeing the beautiful country we live in... it's a vacation!

"I think it's offensive and unfunny" I want to start a company where people who use that phrase aren't hired. I don't really even care what it's referring to. Oh no, it's offensive. Life is hard being offended.

I get the impression there are a lot of people who just don't get that the idea "that's offensive" is in no way a new thing, just a new phrasing. The old phrasing was "them's fightin' words."

In my experience, the ones who are most likely to get "offended" by some trivial thing are the least likely to have the gumption or courage to fight out in the open.  It's all behind people's backs with management, who will often be afraid of letting someone face their accusers.

[wileyish]

This morning's surprise...

Me: filling water bottle at sink.
CW: You know they restocked the machine, right? (There is a machine in our office that sells soda, gatorade, bottled water, etc.)
Me: Yeah, but this is free.
CW: Yeah but its so gross - people wash dishes in that sink, how can you drink water from it?
Me: Uh... but the water from the tap is... well... you know what, you're right, I oughta be buying water instead. Eyeroll. Return to desk with water bottle.

I wanted to point out that I also eat off the dishes washed in the unsanitary sink, but opted not to.

People who buy bottled water…one day we’ll look back at them and laugh the way we do for people who bought pet rocks in the 70’s. I hope.

Every few years I replenish the stock of silverware at work with pieces from a thrift store. Not sure if coworkers are tossing them in the trash or taking the pieces home, but the forks have a tendency to walk off frequently.

As I was filling the tray with freshly washed thrift store forks once:

CW: "Ewww, gross. Those are used? I’ll stick to the disposables. I’m a germaphobe."
Me:  “So you never eat at restaurants that use real silverware?”
CW: Startled stare.

[mustachepungoeshere]

This morning's surprise...

Me: filling water bottle at sink.
CW: You know they restocked the machine, right? (There is a machine in our office that sells soda, gatorade, bottled water, etc.)
Me: Yeah, but this is free.
CW: Yeah but its so gross - people wash dishes in that sink, how can you drink water from it?
Me: Uh... but the water from the tap is... well... you know what, you're right, I oughta be buying water instead. Eyeroll. Return to desk with water bottle.

I wanted to point out that I also eat off the dishes washed in the unsanitary sink, but opted not to.

People who buy bottled water…one day we’ll look back at them and laugh the way we do for people who bought pet rocks in the 70’s. I hope.

Every few years I replenish the stock of silverware at work with pieces from a thrift store. Not sure if coworkers are tossing them in the trash or taking the pieces home, but the forks have a tendency to walk off frequently.

As I was filling the tray with freshly washed thrift store forks once:

CW: "Ewww, gross. Those are used? I’ll stick to the disposables. I’m a germaphobe."
Me:  “So you never eat at restaurants that use real silverware?”
CW: Startled stare.

1. Round of applause for pet rock comparison. :D

2. I do the same thing at my work. Every few months I hit up a charity store and stock up on a couple of dozen pieces, usually about 15 cents each, run it through the dishwasher twice then take it to work. My colleagues know where they come from but I'm fortunate that they are far too excited about the prospect of having forks to be concerned.

[wileyish]

This story has two parts, both of which really opened my eyes to my coworkers’ relationship to food/the environment/their own wallets.

Part I

We had a potluck yesterday with about 40 attendees. Counting the two dishes I brought there were a total of four homemade dishes. Everything else came from a bag, a box, a plastic tub, or takeout from a restaurant. Even the salads came from bags, with each ingredient wrapped in individual packaging. Salad! In a bag! We intentionally had the potluck on a Monday so that people would have time to prepare a dish over the weekend and not be rushed on a weeknight. And we live in an area where fresh, local, seasonal produce is wildly abundant and affordable.

Part II

During cleanup of this event I saved the remnants of one of the salads (ya, it was one of the bagged dishes, but I hate wasting food) for part of my lunch today. My boss was in the break room while I was rooting around in the refrigerator for it this afternoon and said that she threw it away.

Boss: “I won’t eat leftover salad.”
Me: “Oh, I don’t like to waste food. I was going to eat that.”

She reached into the waste bin and retrieved the Ziplocked bag for me. Awkward silence for a few beats. I already have a reputation for being a weird-oh in the office, so I declined rather than adding “the lady who eats trash salad” to the list.

[Rezdent]

This story has two parts, both of which really opened my eyes to my coworkers’ relationship to food/the environment/their own wallets.

Part I

We had a potluck yesterday with about 40 attendees. Counting the two dishes I brought there were a total of four homemade dishes. Everything else came from a bag, a box, a plastic tub, or takeout from a restaurant. Even the salads came from bags, with each ingredient wrapped in individual packaging. Salad! In a bag! We intentionally had the potluck on a Monday so that people would have time to prepare a dish over the weekend and not be rushed on a weeknight. And we live in an area where fresh, local, seasonal produce is wildly abundant and affordable.

Part II

During cleanup of this event I saved the remnants of one of the salads (ya, it was one of the bagged dishes, but I hate wasting food) for part of my lunch today. My boss was in the break room while I was rooting around in the refrigerator for it this afternoon and said that she threw it away.

Boss: “I won’t eat leftover salad.”
Me: “Oh, I don’t like to waste food. I was going to eat that.”

She reached into the waste bin and retrieved the Ziplocked bag for me. Awkward silence for a few beats. I already have a reputation for being a weird-oh in the office, so I declined rather than adding “the lady who eats trash salad” to the list.

Office potlucks are the only time I will buy prepackaged prepared food.  And even then, I buy "safe" stuff like prepackaged salad the morning of the event.

In case the office gets sick from a potluck...well they can't blame me.

[nobodyspecial]

In case the office gets sick from a potluck...well they can't blame me.

Really ?
My specially matured sushi has been my main method of promotion at work ;-)

[FatCat]

During cleanup of this event I saved the remnants of one of the salads (ya, it was one of the bagged dishes, but I hate wasting food) for part of my lunch today. My boss was in the break room while I was rooting around in the refrigerator for it this afternoon and said that she threw it away.

Boss: “I won’t eat leftover salad.”
Me: “Oh, I don’t like to waste food. I was going to eat that.”

She reached into the waste bin and retrieved the Ziplocked bag for me. Awkward silence for a few beats. I already have a reputation for being a weird-oh in the office, so I declined rather than adding “the lady who eats trash salad” to the list.

I don't understand the aversion some people have to leftovers. I remember someone acting like it was disgusting that I was eating yesterday's pizza. They said they always throw the leftover pizza slices in the trash. I got a lecture about how unsanitary it is and I'm going to make myself sick with rancid food doing things like that.

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

[HairyUpperLip]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

Even if it did, I don't think it's a big deal. I've eaten pizza left out over night plenty of times. Especially as a kid. Never got sick from it.

[cripzychiken]

There was a bake sale a week or 2 back to benefit someone's little brother going through cancer treatments or some other health issue.  People were asked to bake their favorite treats and bring them in.

There were about 15 items brought in - 3 sets of 'homecooked' tube-o-cookies, 2 frozen and baked pies, and the rest was just completely store bought.  There was one person that went to a local bakery the night before and bought a couple of 'day-old' items.

Anyways, the sister who was running the event (who was too busy to even bring in anything, but could sit and watch the table all day) complained that no one made anything from scratch and rolled her eyes at the lady bring in "that stale old cake" from the bakery.  She priced everything at crazy prices - $1/cookie for cookies that cost $4 for 3 dozen.  $2/cupcake ($15 for 30 cupcakes).  Although she did price the 'stale' cake at $1/slice ($4.50/slice at the bakery).  That one sold out quickly, nothing else did.

They only made about about $50, couldn't figure out why.

[Rollin]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

Even if it did, I don't think it's a big deal. I've eaten pizza left out over night plenty of times. Especially as a kid. Never got sick from it.

Same here, but skip the trip to the fridge.  I'm still alive.

BTW - we waste a significant % of food in this country (and that contributes quite a bit to green house gases).  It is rather disgusting. So those that think leftover are disgusting they really ought to get a grip on the real problem.

[tanzee]

I don't re-wear dirty clothes. I've gotten too used to clean clothes all the time. After a while you can tell the difference.

Facepunch for hedonic adaptation. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/22/what-is-hedonic-adaptation-and-how-can-it-turn-you-into-a-sukka/

It's just a matter of opinion. To me the cost is negligible compared to the benefit. Living in a house is hedonic in that case. Everyone's deserves facepunches. Showering is hedonic. We don't need to shower that often. Having clean clothes is the same as showering to me.

We sweat 0.8-1.4 liters a day and lose 40,000 skin cells, which is nice. I prefer my jeans a few pounds lighter I guess.

Sounds like rationalizing to me.  We are destroying the planet.  It's not a matter of preference (or opinion) when we are above our ecological capacity. That doesn't mean we need to be perfect at all times.  But it certainly means that we should be challenging our sacred cows like never re-wearing clothes. 

[tanzee]

It's just a matter of opinion. To me the cost is negligible compared to the benefit. Living in a house is hedonic in that case. Everyone's deserves facepunches. Showering is hedonic. We don't need to shower that often. Having clean clothes is the same as showering to me.

We sweat 0.8-1.4 liters a day and lose 40,000 skin cells, which is nice. I prefer my jeans a few pounds lighter I guess.

+1

Awhile back there was a thread where posters bragged about not showering or using soap, let alone laundry or deodorant. Over time the non-showerer gets used to it and claims they don't smell. But you know when you walk into someone's house and it smells a bit funky? yeah

But couldn't you argue that you're merely referencing a hedonically adapted culture where the norm is to cover up normal human smell with floral-smelling chemicals? 

[tanzee]

May I add a non-money related one?

Coworker sees me pouring in my coffee milk from a recycled juice bottle, inquires about it, and I explain him I ain't drinking that dairy-fluff stuff they give for free, because it's not actual milk and I prefer knowing what I drink. He looks conspiratorially at me and asks me "Is it your own milk?". The guy next to me almost spit his coffee. (And no, I'm not lactating)

That's sexual harassment.

Nah, the guy is gay, and from a culture that didn't explain him much about female anatomy. He just has no clue how the female body works.

That doesn't make it not sexual harassment. Gay men can absolutely sexually harass women, just like straight women can sexually harass women.

Harassment is always in the eye of the beholder. If she didn't feel harassed, it wasn't harassment. There's no point in trying to convince someone to get offended at something that didn't offend them.

Just in case she was offended at the time and was then trying to rationalize it away after. Rationalizing rape away is common; why wouldn't it be for harassment?

Yeah the guy should be stoned to death, minimum.
Harden the f*ck up people, and give the poor gay guy a break, how dishonest is to put "rape" in the conversation here?

Wow, way to reducto ad absurdum. There are plenty of misunderstandings about definitions and lots of rationalizing in lots of situations. I gave an example, and you went to a weird place.

Perhaps he/she went to a weird place, but I hate it when people use a drastic example as a way of shutting down a discussion. My aunt flipped out when she found out I was a Christian because she doesn't believe that someone should be able to sin and then just ask for forgiveness and be absolved, her example was, "What if someone rapes my daughter," and then pointed at her 3 year old, and then glared at me as if expecting me to defend any such action.

I think some people are misunderstanding maco's comment. The "drastic example" situation that MgoSam brought up usually goes something like this:

X is bad.
Rape is bad.
Therefore X is as bad as rape.

Which is a dumb argument. But this isn't what maco said. They said something more like this:

X is bad.
Rape is a lot worse.
Even though rape is really bad, people often rationalize rape after the fact as being not as bad as it actually was.
If people can rationalize away the badness of rape, they can easily rationalize away the badness of X since it's not as bad as rape.

See? Not the same thing.

I think it's offensive and unfunny.  It's not sexual harassment as I would define it, but it's unpleasant.  People targeting others with jokes about personal/sexual subjects is all too common, and after the thousandth time or so, it gets old, so old.  Also people saying "Lighten up" and "It's just a joke!"  Maybe one time, it's just a joke.  After dozens and dozens, it feels like bullying.  Now, maybe you don't think so, and maybe you think it's funny or harmless or good clean fun or whatever.  But recognize that some people don't.  My response to the "joker" would be, "What is wrong with you?"

UPDATE:
The guy was deadly serious when he ask me if it was my milk. I would have been pissed if he was joking about it, but he wasn't.
Anyway, I mentioned milk today in a different context and he told me he wanted to explain his comment for the other day: He was asking me it was milk from my farm animals, as some months earlier I mentioned that my DH wants to get a cow or a goat. But his English is not perfect (he's latino), and it came out wrong, and when everybody started laughing he was too embarassed to explain himself.

Yeah I wasn't sure what all the hoopla and lynching from the other posters was about.  I was led to believe at first it sounded like what people thought of as sexual harassment.  But when I read and thought about it a bit more, I realized that maybe it was cow milk or something and maybe she had a cow or something.  We didn't know the whole background story that kitsune didn't provide so I thought, well you do put cow's milk into drinks so maybe that's what it was but we don't know.  Anyways I refrained from drawing conclusions until all explanations/evidence was presented...you know, innocent until guilty.

I wonder if that's something wrong with our culture.  It's impossible to convey all details, tone, imagery, of something happening at a particular moment in just text, few do that very well.  We're so quick to lynch people, hang'em on the cross by putting words into peoples' mouths to details we're missing.  I mean we weren't there so we can't cast judgement on the guy.  Kitsune knows it better than us that it was sexual harassment.  That's why she said it wasn't harassment.

It's an issue I'm seeing in comments from media and stories.  Guilty until innocent.  Fiction over fact.  Too many news stories I've watched where details are omitted or slanted to a direction to tell a specific narrative to generate shock, anger, and confirmation of their viewers' prejudices, biases.  You fill the details to fit your "idea" of what happened instead of what actually happened.  Like the Columbia student and the mattress looking to win the court of public opinion, and not the court of law.  We likely will never know what happens in these events so we fill in it ourselves based on our opinions.

It's why I can't stand strongly opinionated people, "extremists...I guess?"  Feminists, misogynists, conservatives, liberals, etc.  They already tell you the story w/out knowing what it is.  They jump to conclusions based on what they believe, not what it actually is and try to buy/manipulate thoughts/minds/influence that way which is really dangerous and the power of US media.  People let emotions and personal beliefs guide the facts on other peoples' stories they don't know about.  It's judging others w/out the background to judge to validate their world view w/out actually knowing the world.  Making people feel like they know everything and when in agreement, collect clicks and money.

This happened to me before on MMM forums.  I made a post some took offense to.  People lynched me.  I explained what I was better trying to say and actually said.  They all apologized and understood and some even agreed w/me later.  There was balance.  There's too much jumping to conclusions these days.  Unless you were there to experience it, we can only conjecture, not make firm statements.


Quite shameful and sad really.

+1

I couldn't agree more. 

[Beaker]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. ... Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority.

Can't be! "Eating cold pizza" is so common that it's a cliche. At least that's what I thought. OT, but if you use a toaster oven to reheat it I think it's actually better than fresh in some cases - the crust crisps up a bit more.

BTW - we waste a significant % of food in this country (and that contributes quite a bit to green house gases).  It is rather disgusting. So those that think leftover are disgusting they really ought to get a grip on the real problem.

Seriously, it's frickin' ridiculous. John Oliver did a great piece on that a while back. It's an 18 minute video, but worth it.

[dragoncar]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

Even if it did, I don't think it's a big deal. I've eaten pizza left out over night plenty of times. Especially as a kid. Never got sick from it.

Same here, but skip the trip to the fridge.  I'm still alive.

BTW - we waste a significant % of food in this country (and that contributes quite a bit to green house gases).  It is rather disgusting. So those that think leftover are disgusting they really ought to get a grip on the real problem.

I love day old counter pizza.  There really shouldn't be anything on pizza that can't sit out for days (maybe the sauce but a good sauce is desiccated from baking and is fairly acidic).

There was a bake sale a week or 2 back to benefit someone's little brother going through cancer treatments or some other health issue.  People were asked to bake their favorite treats and bring them in.

There were about 15 items brought in - 3 sets of 'homecooked' tube-o-cookies, 2 frozen and baked pies, and the rest was just completely store bought.  There was one person that went to a local bakery the night before and bought a couple of 'day-old' items.

Anyways, the sister who was running the event (who was too busy to even bring in anything, but could sit and watch the table all day) complained that no one made anything from scratch and rolled her eyes at the lady bring in "that stale old cake" from the bakery.  She priced everything at crazy prices - $1/cookie for cookies that cost $4 for 3 dozen.  $2/cupcake ($15 for 30 cupcakes).  Although she did price the 'stale' cake at $1/slice ($4.50/slice at the bakery).  That one sold out quickly, nothing else did.

They only made about about $50, couldn't figure out why.

Why does it matter what the prices are?  I always thought the point of a bake sale was basically charity where you get a small treat for participating.  Kinda like giving blood... The value of the snack afterwards is irrelevant

[maco]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. ... Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority.

Can't be! "Eating cold pizza" is so common that it's a cliche. At least that's what I thought. OT, but if you use a toaster oven to reheat it I think it's actually better than fresh in some cases - the crust crisps up a bit more.

My mom recommends a frying pan. I don't like crispy crust, though. I prefer either Chicago deep dish or...jumbo slice (thin and floppy) is Brooklyn style, right?

[HairyUpperLip]

Why does it matter what the prices are?  I always thought the point of a bake sale was basically charity where you get a small treat for participating.  Kinda like giving blood... The value of the snack afterwards is irrelevant

Speak for yourself. I was pretty disappointed when the Red Cross stopped giving Nutter Butter's away. I never buy them, but I sure as hell ate my fair share at the blood drive. :)

[jinga nation]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

Even if it did, I don't think it's a big deal. I've eaten pizza left out over night plenty of times. Especially as a kid. Never got sick from it.

left over pizza and good coffee for breakfast. Even better if you crack an egg on the pizza, dash of salt, pepper, and Tajin, toaster oven that until the yolk is firm to cooked based on your preference for the runny yellow gold. Mmm mmm mmm, so good!

[FatCat]

Note: This was a delivery pizza which arrived on schedule, sat on the table for an hour, and the leftover slices were put in a ziplock bag and refrigerated to be eaten the next day. It's not like the pizza was sitting at room temperature all night in case anyone is wondering. In my family this is a very normal thing to do with pizza. In hers, it was unthinkable. Someone else joined the conversation agreeing with her so I guess my family's leftover pizza routine is in the minority. They understood it was kept in the fridge. The idea that it was pizza from yesterday was just too much to handle.

Even if it did, I don't think it's a big deal. I've eaten pizza left out over night plenty of times. Especially as a kid. Never got sick from it.

Same here, but skip the trip to the fridge.  I'm still alive.

BTW - we waste a significant % of food in this country (and that contributes quite a bit to green house gases).  It is rather disgusting. So those that think leftover are disgusting they really ought to get a grip on the real problem.

I think pizza left out over night is fine too. But in this case the fact that it was in the fridge made their opposition ridiculous to me.

Weirdly enough, these same two people became very sick later that same month from eating something I refused to eat. We were at a restaurant and all ordered the same chicken dish. I cut into the chicken and it was rather raw inside and there was some blood so I complained that I wanted it cooked more. The two people that previously told me how dangerous my pizza was ate it anyway since we were at a restaurant and it's rude to send food back to the kitchen. They were really miserable the next few days.