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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14350 on: August 10, 2016, 08:57:47 AM »
Hub caps *can* be cool. Wheel covers are almost without exception ugly.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14351 on: August 10, 2016, 09:45:36 AM »
Hub caps *can* be cool. Wheel covers are almost without exception ugly.

Good point, I meant wheel covers.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14352 on: August 10, 2016, 10:37:46 AM »
What do you even need them for in the first place?

Yeah... hubcaps are mostly there because old steelies looked like shit; if you're cool with them looking like shit, then there's not a lot of need for hubcaps. Technically it kinda slightly helps keep shit out of your brakes and salt out of your wheel, but not much.

I really prefer the look of pretty much all newer car wheels - they visible side is single-piece with just a center cap over the axle nut; lug nuts poke through between spokes. No more hubcaps.

This.  I despise hubcaps and think they look so cheap.  If I ever own a car with them I will just take them off and run the black steel rims.  In fact in the winter I switch to my winter wheels which are plain black steel rims with snow tires.  Keeps my fancy summer rims looking nice (and no excuse really to buy an SUV since the snow tires do a really good job).

My parents and a few people in the warehouse have given me a little grief over the hubcaps, but I've always just said, "Please tell me how they affect the efficiency of my car?" And none of them have a response other than to say, "It just looks nicer."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14353 on: August 10, 2016, 10:53:01 AM »
What do you even need them for in the first place?

Yeah... hubcaps are mostly there because old steelies looked like shit; if you're cool with them looking like shit, then there's not a lot of need for hubcaps. Technically it kinda slightly helps keep shit out of your brakes and salt out of your wheel, but not much.

I really prefer the look of pretty much all newer car wheels - they visible side is single-piece with just a center cap over the axle nut; lug nuts poke through between spokes. No more hubcaps.

This.  I despise hubcaps and think they look so cheap.  If I ever own a car with them I will just take them off and run the black steel rims.  In fact in the winter I switch to my winter wheels which are plain black steel rims with snow tires.  Keeps my fancy summer rims looking nice (and no excuse really to buy an SUV since the snow tires do a really good job).

My parents and a few people in the warehouse have given me a little grief over the hubcaps, but I've always just said, "Please tell me how they affect the efficiency of my car?" And none of them have a response other than to say, "It just looks nicer."

Actually, they do affect the mileage. Usually for the better, sometimes not. Is it actually a noticeable difference? Probably not, but it is there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14354 on: August 10, 2016, 12:29:09 PM »
RE: Hubcap Foam

I lost all 4 one by one on my 2003 anti-Clownmobile and the aesthetic always bothered me. Awhile back I called a junkyard to price out replacements. They told me $40 apiece! Once I stopped laughing, I thanked them politely and said the car was just fine the way it was.

Last week I saw a used set at a yard sale and refit my car for $20 total. The price was so low I wondered if they had been pried off somebody's poor car by a desperate teen with a screwdriver.

I can't decide if this was Mustachian or not. I got a great deal, yes, but they are a totally superfluous accessory.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14355 on: August 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM »
RE: Hubcap Foam

I lost all 4 one by one on my 2003 anti-Clownmobile and the aesthetic always bothered me. Awhile back I called a junkyard to price out replacements. They told me $40 apiece! Once I stopped laughing, I thanked them politely and said the car was just fine the way it was.

Last week I saw a used set at a yard sale and refit my car for $20 total. The price was so low I wondered if they had been pried off somebody's poor car by a desperate teen with a screwdriver.

I can't decide if this was Mustachian or not. I got a great deal, yes, but they are a totally superfluous accessory.

20$ is far too high.

Our 2005 Corolla lost a hubcap three years ago . . . so I kept my eye out for an entire year of cycling, and eventually found a replacement one on the side of the road.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14356 on: August 10, 2016, 01:01:42 PM »
Overheard at my husbands work on Friday, DH is friends with the husband, but I had just met the wife that day.  This guy is NOT mustachian, my husband looked up his truck, it retails for 55k so he's nowhere near innocent in this and frankly strikes me as a "as long as I want it it's OK to buy it type of person".

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)
Me: I bought it at a yard sale for $7
Her husband:  Honey, I just bought you a new Range Rover, I'm not sure where you think the money comes from
Her: Well you are just going to have to earn more (not possible as he's AD like mine), or get rid of your truck, I told you that's what I wanted for my birthday.
Me:  Or you could go to a yardsale and try to find a cheap one...
Her DH:  But I thought you wanted to go on vacation with them in a few months, we need to save up money if you want to go with them, that's going to be like a thousand dollars!
Me: I'm going yardsaling next weekend if you want to come with me
My husband: aaaaallll righty we are headed out, have to go walk the dogs.  To me in the car:  JESUS CHRIST THEY HAVE 100k in VEHICLES WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM!?!?!?!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14357 on: August 10, 2016, 01:09:26 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14358 on: August 10, 2016, 01:46:22 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."
Date someone long enough and you can ferret this out ahead of time.

And..OMG. Really.  "Buy one at a yard sale!"  And no response huh?

Oy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14359 on: August 10, 2016, 01:46:50 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.


Don't worry, there are plenty of warning signs long before you get married.  For instance, if anyone needs YOU to pay for something for THEM, then that's a warning.  If I want something, I buy it myself and I don't as my SO to buy it for me. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14360 on: August 10, 2016, 01:57:09 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.


Don't worry, there are plenty of warning signs long before you get married.  For instance, if anyone needs YOU to pay for something for THEM, then that's a warning.  If I want something, I buy it myself and I don't as my SO to buy it for me.

I agree with you and MM, but I fear that sometimes situations do change. There are some couples I know that when they first met and started dating they both were working, and this continued after marriage, but gradually the women stopped working. This nearly always is a result of having children and wanting to be a SAHM, but this hasn't changed her consumption, actually I feel like in many cases it's been made worse because they are hanging out with other moms during play dates and want to keep up with them.

I have no clue if this is what truly happens, it is just a fear of mine. With marriage, there is much uncertainty and people's personalities do change over time. If you haven't heard Bill Murray's advice, I recommend watching this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23SW1EFroH8

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14361 on: August 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM »
I like to be under blankets when I sleep, so I need to keep it a little cooler than ideal on the other levels to keep it comfy on the bedroom level.

FWIW, I also find it much easier to get to sleep when there's a heavy feeling blanket on top of me, but really didn't want to waste all that energy in the summer.  I got a cheap heavy rope net and spread it out over the sheets.  Under the sheet it feels like you're sleeping under a big comforter, but it traps almost no heat at all.
Okay, this is brilliant.  Thanks so much for sharing!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14362 on: August 10, 2016, 03:07:57 PM »

20$ is far too high.

Our 2005 Corolla lost a hubcap three years ago . . . so I kept my eye out for an entire year of cycling, and eventually found a replacement one on the side of the road.

Free is far too high. If you lose one, sell the other three for $20 * 3/4 = $15. Losing a hub cap will net you money!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14363 on: August 10, 2016, 03:12:20 PM »
I got a cheap heavy rope net and spread it out over the sheets.  Under the sheet it feels like you're sleeping under a big comforter, but it traps almost no heat at all.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14364 on: August 10, 2016, 03:28:38 PM »
RE: Hubcap Foam

I lost all 4 one by one on my 2003 anti-Clownmobile and the aesthetic always bothered me. Awhile back I called a junkyard to price out replacements. They told me $40 apiece! Once I stopped laughing, I thanked them politely and said the car was just fine the way it was.

Last week I saw a used set at a yard sale and refit my car for $20 total. The price was so low I wondered if they had been pried off somebody's poor car by a desperate teen with a screwdriver.

I can't decide if this was Mustachian or not. I got a great deal, yes, but they are a totally superfluous accessory.

You did fine. I once had a small pickup with steelies. Didn't have the plastic centercap. Went to the junkyard and apparently they were made of gold when i thought they were made of black plastic! something like $20 each for less plastic than a plastic coffee cup. I told them to keep them and went on my merry way. Sold the truck later and still didn't have any center caps. I did spring for some new silver spray paint for the wheels. BIG improvement for less than $10.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14365 on: August 10, 2016, 03:31:46 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."

You better test drive that subject during the dating process!!! I ditched a couple of girlfriends b/c for one reason or another they were not going to be easy people to share a budget with.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14366 on: August 10, 2016, 08:05:05 PM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.


Don't worry, there are plenty of warning signs long before you get married.  For instance, if anyone needs YOU to pay for something for THEM, then that's a warning.  If I want something, I buy it myself and I don't as my SO to buy it for me.

A close relative started dating a year after her husband died (relative is mid-40's). There was one person she was dating for a month or two, maybe more. One day allegedly he asked her if he could borrow 20$ to buy a pack a smokes, his pay day was five days away. Dumped instantly. Super red flag.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14367 on: August 10, 2016, 08:09:30 PM »
I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14368 on: August 11, 2016, 07:28:46 AM »

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)


This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."
Date someone long enough and you can ferret this out ahead of time.

And..OMG. Really.  "Buy one at a yard sale!"  And no response huh?

Oy.

You usually can ferret it out ahead of time but you are also correct that there seems to be a big "I had babies so I'm staying home and not working" mentality.  Sometimes, in the case of a low wage earner, it does make sense due to the cost of daycare being SO high.  This is very common in military couples, the frequent moves, and cost of daycare, do make it a bit difficult to keep solid employment so for some it makes sense.  In our case DH will be working for a number of years after I am done (probably in the 3-5 year range).  However, that is because of the cliff vesting of his pension and medical (3 years) and a personal goal he wants to attain (which he doesn't need to do but wants to and would add on another 2 years).  We will already be FI when I call it quits (and in all actuality we already are pretty much FI), but we are relying on that medical coverage in our calculations. 

 
Yup, no response to the yard sale thing zip, zilch.  I buy those damn things all the time, all the big brands for pennies on the dollar to what they sell for at the store, sometimes I even score brand new ones, still in the box/bag for under 10 bucks.  I flip them on craigslist for a tidy profit so the deals are definitely out there.  I had to try very hard to not be snarky, there is a large possibility of the two guys moving to the same station for the next PCS.  I personally found it entertaining that my husbands brain function switched off after hearing about the 50k range rover.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14369 on: August 11, 2016, 08:21:30 AM »
I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14370 on: August 11, 2016, 08:56:42 AM »
I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

Ah. Fair. My mom is of the 'remind me of what she thinks I did wrong for years and hold it over my head' persuasion. We have an excellent relationship as long as I keep amunition far away from her. With a different relationship, it might be commendable, but I just have a stomach-squeezing gut instinct of 'omg HIDE IT' when I think of my mom reviewing my finances.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14371 on: August 11, 2016, 09:25:11 AM »
I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

she apparently advised him he could afford a $38k subaru. does not sound like sound financial advice

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14372 on: August 11, 2016, 09:33:11 AM »
So the mom thing is weird, but that aside, is there a back story where this guy has terrible finances and in no way can afford this car, or are you just critical of a dude who apparently has different priorities than you? 


I should note that I work with plenty of, and at one time was, young single men with good incomes and little/no other financial obligations who drive cars that were a little more expensive than might be otherwise prudent, but to no ill effects because, again, no other obligations. 
« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 09:34:55 AM by Chris22 »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14373 on: August 11, 2016, 10:09:43 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14374 on: August 11, 2016, 10:12:53 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14375 on: August 11, 2016, 10:14:09 AM »

I will keep my financial advices to myself when it comes to him. Nothing else I can do ;)

I think that was the wisest course to take.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14376 on: August 11, 2016, 10:17:13 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14377 on: August 11, 2016, 10:19:00 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14378 on: August 11, 2016, 10:36:31 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

Dang, that would actually be a problem.

Like Chris22, I usually keep my checking account pretty tight too - but I just moved a couple grand into checking last week with the intention of buying a motorcycle soon (I know, I know, facepunch me). I suppose I'd be more annoyed if I actually had to do a savings transfer, but I'll just delay the purchase and use it as a cash cushion for a week or two. *shrug*

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14379 on: August 11, 2016, 11:10:00 AM »
I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

Dang, that would actually be a problem.

Like Chris22, I usually keep my checking account pretty tight too - but I just moved a couple grand into checking last week with the intention of buying a motorcycle soon (I know, I know, facepunch me). I suppose I'd be more annoyed if I actually had to do a savings transfer, but I'll just delay the purchase and use it as a cash cushion for a week or two. *shrug*

This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14380 on: August 11, 2016, 11:47:16 AM »
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This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14381 on: August 11, 2016, 11:56:31 AM »

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

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« Reply #14382 on: August 11, 2016, 11:59:33 AM »

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

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« Reply #14383 on: August 11, 2016, 12:13:08 PM »

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

124 is about average for us, but we are all electric no gas.

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« Reply #14384 on: August 11, 2016, 12:23:06 PM »

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

124 is about average for us, but we are all electric no gas.

As a reference, my electric bill in the winter is ~$60-80 (plus a gas bill of maybe $80; summer gas bill is like $30 but I have a gas water heater and dryer).  So as I see it, I'm paying ~$40-60/mo for 3-4 months to be the temp I want.  I am 100% okay with that. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14385 on: August 11, 2016, 12:24:56 PM »
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This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

We've only not gotten payroll out on Friday once, and it took until the following Monday afternoon.  Our payroll is physical checks handed out every Friday.  Someone sold their check and the bank called to say duplicates had been made, our checks had been compromised.  The called about this Thursday morning.  It took until Monday to have a totally different set of checks mailed to us and for the bank to get a copy and put out an alert that the old checks could be fake.  We then had to do a bunch of "these check numbers and amounts are real, anything else is fake" and do it with the main local check cashing places.  It was chaos, a lot of people didn't like it, but there was nothing else we could do other than hand out literal cash.  Which I don't think the owners have that much cash laying around, and you couldn't withdraw that much in bills from the bank haha.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14386 on: August 11, 2016, 12:34:11 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

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« Reply #14387 on: August 11, 2016, 12:45:14 PM »
He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month.

34 years at the same place!!!!

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« Reply #14388 on: August 11, 2016, 01:00:34 PM »
So the mom thing is weird, but that aside, is there a back story where this guy has terrible finances and in no way can afford this car, or are you just critical of a dude who apparently has different priorities than you? 
I guess I'm critical because in the past he has commented how "easier" it's for me to save since I make more money than him.

Depending on the snarkiness of those comments, I'll sometimes reply 'and yet your monthly spending is twice mine'.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14389 on: August 11, 2016, 01:00:59 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though. 

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« Reply #14390 on: August 11, 2016, 01:05:35 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14391 on: August 11, 2016, 01:07:33 PM »
Quote
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This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

Yeah I'd be angling for go home for the day (paid)... You know, to juggle my finances to accommodate the error. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14392 on: August 11, 2016, 01:08:36 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14393 on: August 11, 2016, 01:16:10 PM »
He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month.

34 years at the same place!!!!

That's right. I drive past this place from time to time and I think it hasn't had much maintenance done in that same time.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14394 on: August 11, 2016, 01:20:13 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14395 on: August 11, 2016, 01:24:12 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14396 on: August 11, 2016, 01:30:28 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Great thing about bourbons is that you can buy great bottles for well under $50 all day long.

Try:
-Buffalo Trace
-Eagle Rare
-Knob Creek (and KC Single Barrel)
-Jim Beam Black (shockingly good for like $20)
-Maker's 46
-Four Roses
-Templton Rye is pretty good

And there are plenty more. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14397 on: August 11, 2016, 01:37:25 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

What is inexpensive? $20 or $50?

For beginners, depending on budget, I recommend (going down in price) Bakers, Mitchers, Eagle Rare, Woodford Reserve, Costco/Kirkland brand (although it appears to have changed, so I don't know how it will be), and Very Old Barton. That takes you from about $50 a bottle to $15 a bottle, and generally are pretty easy to drink. For a beginner, if you have the choice between higher and lower proof, go lower. Make sure it is on ice, and don't be afraid to cut it with water or mix it with anything (but the correct answer is Ginger Ale or an Old Fashioned).

Whiskey isn't for everyone. Same as anything. I enjoy it a lot. I hate tequila. Don't force it on yourself if you don't like it; if you need a mixer to like it, go for the mixer.

But am really not a fan of Makers myself--too sweet. Far too sweet. So my opinion may not be the best for you if you enjoyed Makers.




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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14398 on: August 11, 2016, 01:37:38 PM »
I like booze

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« Reply #14399 on: August 11, 2016, 01:44:33 PM »
I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

What is inexpensive? $20 or $50?

For beginners, depending on budget, I recommend (going down in price) Bakers, Mitchers, Eagle Rare, Woodford Reserve, Costco/Kirkland brand (although it appears to have changed, so I don't know how it will be), and Very Old Barton. That takes you from about $50 a bottle to $15 a bottle, and generally are pretty easy to drink. For a beginner, if you have the choice between higher and lower proof, go lower. Make sure it is on ice, and don't be afraid to cut it with water or mix it with anything (but the correct answer is Ginger Ale or an Old Fashioned).

Whiskey isn't for everyone. Same as anything. I enjoy it a lot. I hate tequila. Don't force it on yourself if you don't like it; if you need a mixer to like it, go for the mixer.

But am really not a fan of Makers myself--too sweet. Far too sweet. So my opinion may not be the best for you if you enjoyed Makers.

I think Makers is a gateway bourbon, it's what I drank until I decided I liked bourbon and now I'm not much of a Makers fan.  Knob Creek is my go-to mainstream bourbon in a bar/restaurant/etc.