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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3600 on: August 08, 2014, 10:35:16 AM »
Oh, all the house talk reminded me of this one.

I'm inheriting a project from this lady. I was talking to her about project metrics and how they developed the data for their baseline that they use in the calculations.

She then went on to describe what a baseline is and how, since I just purchased a house, she would use that as an example.

Her - "Let's say that you figure out your baseline is 500k. But then when you really start looking, you realize you under-guessed. So now you end up buying a house for 600k. That's what happened to us! I'm sure the same thing happened to you when you bought your house.

Me - "Nope, I don't know what you mean. We came in 2k under our house target."

Look, I get dropping an extra 5-10k for that dream home, but 100? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure she's making well over 100k, but still seemed ridiculous.

And I know what a damn baseline is. I didn't need to be patronized, but that's a separate issue.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3601 on: August 08, 2014, 11:14:27 AM »
Yeah - my single neighbor (age 25 -30 and a local cop). Lives next door. Homes in my neighborhood range $350,000 - $500,000. I'd say his is closer to $350,000 but STILL. He is single and in a four bedroom home like me and my family of five. I think WTF, on a cop's salary and you're under 30? At least I put $200,000+ down on my place when we purchased it- though I'll admit it's a fancy pants house and I could be happy in far less... Sheesh. I'm sure he's still paying PMI...

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« Reply #3602 on: August 08, 2014, 12:36:13 PM »
Oh, all the house talk reminded me of this one.

I'm inheriting a project from this lady. I was talking to her about project metrics and how they developed the data for their baseline that they use in the calculations.

She then went on to describe what a baseline is and how, since I just purchased a house, she would use that as an example.

Her - "Let's say that you figure out your baseline is 500k. But then when you really start looking, you realize you under-guessed. So now you end up buying a house for 600k. That's what happened to us! I'm sure the same thing happened to you when you bought your house.

Me - "Nope, I don't know what you mean. We came in 2k under our house target."

Look, I get dropping an extra 5-10k for that dream home, but 100? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure she's making well over 100k, but still seemed ridiculous.

And I know what a damn baseline is. I didn't need to be patronized, but that's a separate issue.

Her "baseline" didn't "happen to" her, she created it with ridiculous expectations.  When we were shopping for our first house in Idaho, we did look at some that were above our original budget (but still well under what we could "afford"), and the realtor was all "Oh, I knew you'd want a more expensive house once you started looking" but then we bought one for $8K under the original budget.  So much for her theory.
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« Reply #3603 on: August 08, 2014, 12:42:37 PM »
Quarterly profit sharing checks came out yesterday. One CW said "I could use it to pay off my credit card, but I think I'd rather go to Cabo. I'll pay off the card next year."

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« Reply #3604 on: August 08, 2014, 02:09:14 PM »
This wasn't quite "overheard at work" but my parents were getting on my case about the need for a wedding album. Just now at work my wife found out what one of these albums would cost from our photographer - $850... and that's not even the most expensive one (some go for $1,500)!!!

Originally last night when this was being mentioned to me I was thinking to myself "okay, one last annoying wedding expense of $50-$100 and we'll be done". Even though I dont even agree that we need one to begin with since we have all the photos digitally, but whatever, one last little hump to get over.

But this got me thinking, there are people who pay hundreds and even THOUSANDS of dollars to have their wedding photos in a fancy album???? That is absolutely insane to me. Once my wife told me the price of the cheapest one I pointed out that at that price we could do a long weekend at Little Cayman or Cayman Brac (our sister islands, which would include airfare and hotel) TWICE.

For our reception (got married at the courthouse, had a nice party for all our friends & family as a reception), we didn't have a photographer- but one of my friends from one of my hobbies, a WAY too nice Japanese woman, brought along her very fancy camera and asked if we minded if she took pictures- and we of course said, "Yes, snap away!" She took lots of incredible pictures and uploaded them for us, and we were thrilled. But then our of the blue at our next club practice she hands me a beautiful custom photo album she'd put together with the best of the pictures- it was by far our favorite present.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3605 on: August 08, 2014, 02:13:59 PM »
Quarterly profit sharing checks came out yesterday. One CW said "I could use it to pay off my credit card, but I think I'd rather go to Cabo. I'll pay off the card next year."

Whats wrong with Cabo.  That makes more sense the paying off credit card debt then using the card to go doesnt it... lol

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« Reply #3606 on: August 09, 2014, 05:42:15 AM »
Oh, all the house talk reminded me of this one.

I'm inheriting a project from this lady. I was talking to her about project metrics and how they developed the data for their baseline that they use in the calculations.

She then went on to describe what a baseline is and how, since I just purchased a house, she would use that as an example.

Her - "Let's say that you figure out your baseline is 500k. But then when you really start looking, you realize you under-guessed. So now you end up buying a house for 600k. That's what happened to us! I'm sure the same thing happened to you when you bought your house.

Me - "Nope, I don't know what you mean. We came in 2k under our house target."

Look, I get dropping an extra 5-10k for that dream home, but 100? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure she's making well over 100k, but still seemed ridiculous.

And I know what a damn baseline is. I didn't need to be patronized, but that's a separate issue.

Her "baseline" didn't "happen to" her, she created it with ridiculous expectations.  When we were shopping for our first house in Idaho, we did look at some that were above our original budget (but still well under what we could "afford"), and the realtor was all "Oh, I knew you'd want a more expensive house once you started looking" but then we bought one for $8K under the original budget.  So much for her theory.

Convenient that the realtor's theory also results in a bigger paycheck...

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« Reply #3607 on: August 09, 2014, 09:17:21 AM »

This is a 25 year old man with not girlfriend, no pets, and no plans to rent out some part of the house. His justification: "Yea, to live in a 'nice' neighborhood you always have to buy a bigger house."

There are plenty of nice neighborhoods around here with ~$100,000 or less houses that are big enough to raise a family in, much less house a single male.

I have a house considered by most to be too large for me. Yes, I could take an entire story off the house and still have more than enough room. I don't really have an excuse other than I really like the neighborhood and I felt this was the best value in the area. I know people judge me for the size and wastefulness but an alternative nearby would be homes that are 120 years older with expensive repairs needed or condos with high fees. There are always other choices, but I like it here and I think it's value will continue to appreciate.   I've been mulling over whether to rent a room out, because it could let me drop another. $1k into mortgage prepayment per month, but I don't really need the money right now and I like my privacy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3608 on: August 09, 2014, 11:34:08 AM »
Oh, all the house talk reminded me of this one.

I'm inheriting a project from this lady. I was talking to her about project metrics and how they developed the data for their baseline that they use in the calculations.

She then went on to describe what a baseline is and how, since I just purchased a house, she would use that as an example.

Her - "Let's say that you figure out your baseline is 500k. But then when you really start looking, you realize you under-guessed. So now you end up buying a house for 600k. That's what happened to us! I'm sure the same thing happened to you when you bought your house.

Me - "Nope, I don't know what you mean. We came in 2k under our house target."

Look, I get dropping an extra 5-10k for that dream home, but 100? That's just ridiculous. I'm sure she's making well over 100k, but still seemed ridiculous.

And I know what a damn baseline is. I didn't need to be patronized, but that's a separate issue.

Her "baseline" didn't "happen to" her, she created it with ridiculous expectations.  When we were shopping for our first house in Idaho, we did look at some that were above our original budget (but still well under what we could "afford"), and the realtor was all "Oh, I knew you'd want a more expensive house once you started looking" but then we bought one for $8K under the original budget.  So much for her theory.

Could just be a terminology issue.  I "targeted," say, 1x for a house which could be called a "budget" but I could "afford" 3x, which could also be called a "budget".  In other words, anything under 3x helps me retire faster, and I preferred 1x.  But after looking at 1x houses, we realized we couldn't get what we wanted, and ended up with a 1.5x house.  So did we overshoot our budget or undershoot our budget?  We certainly overshot our original target, but that doesn't make the home unaffordable.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3609 on: August 09, 2014, 11:53:20 AM »
I read that more as "baseline" being minimum acceptable or expected home size/location/amenities/fanciness, and what that equates to in dollars in the market the person is buying into.  So the realtor wants to move the client's baseline up the scale so that they will only consider a home with more amenities, space, or fanciness than they originally thought they needed/wanted.  Watching House Hunters shows this pretty clearly - oh, we must have dual vanity sinks, granite countertops, real hardwood, and 17 bedrooms with walk-in closes.  No, I won't consider this plebian 1,500 square foot house with normal fixtures just because it's in my original price range.  Time to stretch the budget!  Ratcheting the baseline expectations back results in the same or more happiness for much, much less money.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3610 on: August 09, 2014, 01:18:57 PM »
I have a house considered by most to be too large for me. Yes, I could take an entire story off the house and still have more than enough room. I don't really have an excuse other than I really like the neighborhood and I felt this was the best value in the area. I know people judge me for the size and wastefulness...
Our daughter graduated from college in May and has started her Navy career.  (Not only will she not be home for at least couple of years, but we probably won't even meet up with her for another six months.)  Now that we're empty nesters, we have at least two bedrooms that we don't use-- let alone need.  It makes me a little nervous to have so much space when there's even the slightest chance of a boomerang young adult a few years down the road... or any of her good friends passing through the islands.

However the house is in a fantastic location in a great school district, with the best views ever.  If the biggest drawback is that we're wasting space, then I can grit my teeth and pay my (higher) property taxes. 

I think the size of the house is also directly correlated to the standoff distance from the neighbors and their noisy power tools.  I'd hate to live in a small house in a tight neighborhood or (even worse) a townhouse/condo quadruplex.

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« Reply #3611 on: August 09, 2014, 06:28:03 PM »
"I'm also in the Chicago area due west of the city, and in addition to the guys who drive up from Indiana, a number of them drive down from Wisconsin. It blew my mind when two different new coworkers moved back to the USA from international assignments into new houses... in Wisconsin approximately two hours away."   


     I spent years living in Wis and the reason many from Chicago moved there is that houses are so cheap compared to Chicago.  Also depending on where you work in Chicago it is only an hour drive for many people.  They also have a computer train that you can take.    The small town living is also a lot nicer then the city & bigger yards, etc.  BTW: Wis people hated the fact that Chicago people were moving in because it raised the cost of everything, brought crime in, etc.                                                             

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« Reply #3612 on: August 10, 2014, 05:55:48 AM »
I work for a Swiss bank.

Two CWs go out for lunch (at a local restaurant, at least USD 45 each).
One CW’s tie falls into the soup and is now smudged.
He goes out and buys a new tie.

From Hermès, because he “always buys his ties at Hermès”. Costs over USD 200.

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« Reply #3613 on: August 10, 2014, 07:56:17 AM »
Overheard at work today from a man who makes approximately $40k/year: "My rule is a new cell phone every six months.  They really need to make them less expensive though, $700 every six months is pretty rough."

what. the. fuck.
This description accurately describes a significant percentage of people of my generation. I personally know a couple who don't make half of the quoted 40k salary.
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Jesus.  I just got smartphone (my first, republic wireless) six months ago.  Two months ago I dropped the thing on the ground, smashing the screen.  No way in hell I'm replacing it when it's just got a little cracked glass.  New phone every 6 months... what a tool.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3614 on: August 10, 2014, 10:53:54 AM »
I work for a Swiss bank.

Two CWs go out for lunch (at a local restaurant, at least USD 45 each).
One CW’s tie falls into the soup and is now smudged.
He goes out and buys a new tie.

From Hermès, because he “always buys his ties at Hermès”. Costs over USD 200.

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

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« Reply #3615 on: August 10, 2014, 11:08:16 AM »

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

Really? You wouldn't say that had you traveled through Milan as well. :)

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« Reply #3616 on: August 10, 2014, 11:22:44 AM »

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

Really? You wouldn't say that had you traveled through Milan as well. :)

I haven't been to Milan, but I've been to Paris, London, Vienna, Budapest, Marseille, Nice, and smaller villages in France and Italy - Swiss people were above and beyond the best dressed! I have a great appreciation for well-dressed guys, because it is SO rare here - most Vancouver guys live in beach shorts or sweatpants with ratty tank tops or t-shirts, and flip flops to finish the look. "Dressing up for a night out" here means wearing jeans that don't have holes in them (or have "fashionable" holes").

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« Reply #3617 on: August 10, 2014, 12:20:12 PM »
Overheard at work today from a man who makes approximately $40k/year: "My rule is a new cell phone every six months.  They really need to make them less expensive though, $700 every six months is pretty rough."

what. the. fuck.
This description accurately describes a significant percentage of people of my generation. I personally know a couple who don't make half of the quoted 40k salary.

Jesus.  I just got smartphone (my first, republic wireless) six months ago.  Two months ago I dropped the thing on the ground, smashing the screen.  No way in hell I'm replacing it when it's just got a little cracked glass.  New phone every 6 months... what a tool.
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Which is my I stay with my dumb phone.  I can drop that thing and nothing bad happens.  I don't the iPad and had to replace the screen, then buy a otter case to protect it.  I miss the old bricks of cell phones.

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« Reply #3618 on: August 10, 2014, 12:26:13 PM »

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

Really? You wouldn't say that had you traveled through Milan as well. :)

I haven't been to Milan, but I've been to Paris, London, Vienna, Budapest, Marseille, Nice, and smaller villages in France and Italy - Swiss people were above and beyond the best dressed! I have a great appreciation for well-dressed guys, because it is SO rare here - most Vancouver guys live in beach shorts or sweatpants with ratty tank tops or t-shirts, and flip flops to finish the look. "Dressing up for a night out" here means wearing jeans that don't have holes in them (or have "fashionable" holes").

Funny how different people see it differently. Maybe that's because I'm looking at girls instead and they are neither particularly pretty nor well dressed here...

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« Reply #3619 on: August 10, 2014, 12:32:16 PM »
Which is my I stay with my dumb phone.  I can drop that thing and nothing bad happens.  I don't the iPad and had to replace the screen, then buy a otter case to protect it.  I miss the old bricks of cell phones.

One of my old old phones was indestructible, I tell you. I used to be a camp counselor to 6 year olds and would forever entertain them by throwing that thing up in the air as far as I could and catching it. Inevitably, I would miss sometimes, and that thing would come crashing hard into the ground. Had a couple of scratches on it, but that thing never stopped working. Try doing that with an iPhone... ha!

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« Reply #3620 on: August 10, 2014, 12:56:40 PM »
Jesus.  I just got smartphone (my first, republic wireless) six months ago.  Two months ago I dropped the thing on the ground, smashing the screen.  No way in hell I'm replacing it when it's just got a little cracked glass.  New phone every 6 months... what a tool.

Broken cover glass is generally not that hard/expensive to fix. Many phones takes some special tools to separate adhesive, which is hard to DIY, but it's definitely a thing people do. Check craigslist/classifieds/etc - I bet you can find someone local. Falling that, ebay should have lots of choices.

If your phone isn't glued, it's probably only a $10-15 part. If it is, maybe $75.

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« Reply #3621 on: August 10, 2014, 01:18:23 PM »

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

Really? You wouldn't say that had you traveled through Milan as well. :)

I haven't been to Milan, but I've been to Paris, London, Vienna, Budapest, Marseille, Nice, and smaller villages in France and Italy - Swiss people were above and beyond the best dressed! I have a great appreciation for well-dressed guys, because it is SO rare here - most Vancouver guys live in beach shorts or sweatpants with ratty tank tops or t-shirts, and flip flops to finish the look. "Dressing up for a night out" here means wearing jeans that don't have holes in them (or have "fashionable" holes").

Funny how different people see it differently. Maybe that's because I'm looking at girls instead and they are neither particularly pretty nor well dressed here...
Every time I see a well-dressed person (of either gender), my initial attraction is tempered by a little flashing yellow light that warns "High maintenance".

I'm typing this in my surf shorts (Goodwill, $3.99) and my ratty tank top (Aloha Stadium Swap Meet, 6 for $20).  And, of course, I wear rubber slippers almost exclusively-- to the point where my feet are at least a size bigger than they were during my dress-code years.  I've happily given up on suits, ties, tie clips, collar stays, vests, overcoats, cuff links, socks, dress shoes, and even dress jackets.

I'm pretty sure I can't pronounce "Hermès" correctly, either...
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« Reply #3622 on: August 10, 2014, 01:24:10 PM »
...I'm typing this in my surf shorts (Goodwill, $3.99)...

My goal on FIRE next year is to post to my Facebook page: I've worn shorts for 45 days in a row. "45" is an arbitrary, but attractive number to me.

I never post on Facebook and barely read it, but I do believe that news is worthy of posting.

So Nords, how many days have you worn shorts in a row? Probably you measure that in years, not weeks.

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« Reply #3623 on: August 10, 2014, 02:33:44 PM »
Every time I see a well-dressed person (of either gender), my initial attraction is tempered by a little flashing yellow light that warns "High maintenance".

I'm typing this in my surf shorts (Goodwill, $3.99) and my ratty tank top (Aloha Stadium Swap Meet, 6 for $20).  And, of course, I wear rubber slippers almost exclusively-- to the point where my feet are at least a size bigger than they were during my dress-code years.  I've happily given up on suits, ties, tie clips, collar stays, vests, overcoats, cuff links, socks, dress shoes, and even dress jackets.

I'm pretty sure I can't pronounce "Hermès" correctly, either...
Yep.  Shorts and t-shirt from Castaways thrift shop, flip-flops as I type.  I, too, see high maintenance every time and after talking with them learn that first impressions are normally right.  One woman has a mani-pedi, hair color and style, and spa treatment once a month and I didn't have the nerve to ask the cost.

Hermès is that guy on Futurama, for those who have tv.

A bit ironic is my 78 year old friend who is now going on cruises with his spouse due to her receiving a large inheritance.  Seems she is making him buy dress clothes and even a tux just to go on the cruises.  He normally wears his old "work" clothes around town.  He even had to buy a pair of leather shoes!!  Aaaarrrgggghhhh.

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« Reply #3624 on: August 10, 2014, 02:36:55 PM »

This doesn't surprise me. I stopped in Zurich a few weeks ago while traveling across Europe and my god, everyone looked like they stepped off a fashion runway. I loved how perfectly put together and fashionable everyone looked - people don't really do that in Vancouver, especially guys, so it's nice to look at.

Really? You wouldn't say that had you traveled through Milan as well. :)

I haven't been to Milan, but I've been to Paris, London, Vienna, Budapest, Marseille, Nice, and smaller villages in France and Italy - Swiss people were above and beyond the best dressed! I have a great appreciation for well-dressed guys, because it is SO rare here - most Vancouver guys live in beach shorts or sweatpants with ratty tank tops or t-shirts, and flip flops to finish the look. "Dressing up for a night out" here means wearing jeans that don't have holes in them (or have "fashionable" holes").

Funny how different people see it differently. Maybe that's because I'm looking at girls instead and they are neither particularly pretty nor well dressed here...
Every time I see a well-dressed person (of either gender), my initial attraction is tempered by a little flashing yellow light that warns "High maintenance".

I'm typing this in my surf shorts (Goodwill, $3.99) and my ratty tank top (Aloha Stadium Swap Meet, 6 for $20).  And, of course, I wear rubber slippers almost exclusively-- to the point where my feet are at least a size bigger than they were during my dress-code years.  I've happily given up on suits, ties, tie clips, collar stays, vests, overcoats, cuff links, socks, dress shoes, and even dress jackets.

I'm pretty sure I can't pronounce "Hermès" correctly, either...

Saw this a couple days ago. Seemed appropriate to the conversation.

« Last Edit: August 10, 2014, 02:39:05 PM by Travis »

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« Reply #3625 on: August 10, 2014, 02:42:06 PM »
"Dressing up for a night out" here means wearing jeans that don't have holes in them (or have "fashionable" holes").

There's a different way to dress for a night out?

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« Reply #3626 on: August 10, 2014, 02:50:22 PM »
I prefer looking at well dressed women, don't you? :)

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« Reply #3627 on: August 10, 2014, 02:57:39 PM »
I prefer looking at well dressed women, don't you? :)

I tried writing like 3 different responses to this, but they all made me sound creepy...:D

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« Reply #3628 on: August 10, 2014, 03:50:45 PM »
I prefer looking at well dressed women, don't you? :)

I tried writing like 3 different responses to this, but they all made me sound creepy...:D

I was going to say I prefer undressed but yeah this is going downhill fast :P

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« Reply #3629 on: August 10, 2014, 03:58:55 PM »
I prefer looking at well dressed women, don't you? :)

I tried writing like 3 different responses to this, but they all made me sound creepy...:D

I was going to say I prefer undressed but yeah this is going downhill fast :P

That was my first try...then it went to something about yoga pants, and then something about the "work around the house stuff" and then something about getting dirty.

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« Reply #3630 on: August 10, 2014, 05:29:22 PM »
I was talking with a coworker about our 401k a few months ago.  He is a pretty smart/nice guy, 25 years old, about to finish his MBA at the local regional university.  He didn't really understand the concept of why you would save money for retirement.  He then explained that he thought you just worked X number of years, retired, and someone kept paying you.  Even after explaining why a 401k is important, I had the feeling that he didn't 100% believe you could work 30-40 years and have nothing other than social security.

I have always had the impression that the guy lives paycheck to paycheck.  He was in a panic after learning he wasn't eligible for our annual bonus (had been hired on full time less than six months prior to date of bonus) because he had already spent the amount he planned on receiving. 

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« Reply #3631 on: August 10, 2014, 05:48:40 PM »
I prefer looking at well dressed women, don't you? :)

I tried writing like 3 different responses to this, but they all made me sound creepy...:D

I was going to say I prefer undressed but yeah this is going downhill fast :P

That was my first try...then it went to something about yoga pants, and then something about the "work around the house stuff" and then something about getting dirty.
Lol, well at least you guys knew it sounded creepy, that is a head over some people. :P

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« Reply #3632 on: August 10, 2014, 05:53:59 PM »
Lol, well at least you guys knew it sounded creepy, that is a head over some people. :P

I still almost said it, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to state it positively (a goal of mine here). :-)

Although I've thought about it a bit...Something like:
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Ladies out there, just know that you are beautiful. Clothes don't make the woman, the woman makes the woman. Be awesome, and don't give a fuck about what others think about you. That is more attractive than anything else.

Not perfect, but close.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3633 on: August 10, 2014, 11:40:14 PM »
...I'm typing this in my surf shorts (Goodwill, $3.99)...

My goal on FIRE next year is to post to my Facebook page: I've worn shorts for 45 days in a row. "45" is an arbitrary, but attractive number to me.

I never post on Facebook and barely read it, but I do believe that news is worthy of posting.

So Nords, how many days have you worn shorts in a row? Probably you measure that in years, not weeks.
I had to think about that one.  And then my thoughts kept getting interrupted by thinking about looking at well-dressed women.

When we're in the islands, the last time I wore pants all day long was when I was last in uniform:  February 2002, over 12 years ago.  I still have to wear pants a few times a month around town, but I try to minimize the number of times I go to those places.

The last time I had to wear pants all day long was when I was in Colorado in March 2011.  It was freezing, too!

T-shirts are a different story.  I have them in tank tops, cutoff sleeves, short sleeves, and long sleeves.  You know, one type for each of our four seasons...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3634 on: August 11, 2014, 12:42:08 AM »
Every time I see a well-dressed person (of either gender), my initial attraction is tempered by a little flashing yellow light that warns "High maintenance".

Now I wonder if I dress nice enough for people to think I'm high maintenance.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3635 on: August 11, 2014, 02:01:38 AM »
I've lived in Switzerland 13 years, and I've never heard of anyone being that ridiculously wasteful. Wow. Then again, I work for a software dev (doing banking software, natch. This IS switzerland) rather than a bank.

Was he at least front office? I could see that requiring a change in tie, barely, I guess. Still, 200 bucks. Wow.

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« Reply #3636 on: August 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM »
Every time I see a well-dressed person (of either gender), my initial attraction is tempered by a little flashing yellow light that warns "High maintenance".

Now I wonder if I dress nice enough for people to think I'm high maintenance.

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.. You don't really need to spend $60 for a shirt to dress well in the US. Clothing in the US is way cheaper than Europe, yet your average American dresses worse than an average Swiss, Swede, Norwegian. Levi's jeans you can purchase for under $40 bucks here costs over $100 in Norway..

So, I am a consultant and recently I decided to dress at work like how I would dress if I was in Sweden. It is amazing to see the sharp increase in girls checking you out or staring at you in and outside the office.. Amazing..

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3637 on: August 11, 2014, 09:00:38 AM »
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A bit ironic is my 78 year old friend who is now going on cruises with his spouse due to her receiving a large inheritance.  Seems she is making him buy dress clothes and even a tux just to go on the cruises.  He normally wears his old "work" clothes around town.  He even had to buy a pair of leather shoes!!  Aaaarrrgggghhhh.

Sorry but if I "had" to get a tux I would totally go clean shaving for a week and acquire Walther PPK.

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Try dressing well and carrying a dozen roses down a busy city sidewalk, E-V-E-R-Y woman will turn and look.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3638 on: August 11, 2014, 09:07:59 AM »

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.. You don't really need to spend $60 for a shirt to dress well in the US. Clothing in the US is way cheaper than Europe, yet your average American dresses worse than an average Swiss, Swede, Norwegian. Levi's jeans you can purchase for under $40 bucks here costs over $100 in Norway..


Is the same type of clothing really that much more expensive over there (i.e. same quality fabric/construction)?

 I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3639 on: August 11, 2014, 09:26:28 AM »
I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.

The majority of pairs of Levis are made outside the US, so they are imported to the US also.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3640 on: August 11, 2014, 09:29:08 AM »

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.. You don't really need to spend $60 for a shirt to dress well in the US. Clothing in the US is way cheaper than Europe, yet your average American dresses worse than an average Swiss, Swede, Norwegian. Levi's jeans you can purchase for under $40 bucks here costs over $100 in Norway..


Is the same type of clothing really that much more expensive over there (i.e. same quality fabric/construction)?

 I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.
Most of the cotton also comes from the South in the U.S.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3641 on: August 11, 2014, 09:40:13 AM »
Had a meeting with my boss a little while ago.  He'd been lobbying me to become a manager.  "It's not that bad."  His argument in favor was something like: "eventually you're going to look up at the guy above you and realize how much more he's making and how little extra he's doing for it relative to you."

I told him that I don't really measure myself relative to others in that way, think I'm doing well enough on the money front, and that I'd been thinking recently that I might have the best job in the world right where I am.  I point out that I'm high enough up to be taken seriously, "but not so high that you have to be inserting yourself in all sorts of stuff you don't care about" he finishes for me.  Then he starts waxing nostalgic about all the great things about my job that you lose when you get promoted into his.

I sincerely thanked him again for being my boss, and we moved on to technical stuff.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3642 on: August 11, 2014, 10:39:11 AM »
I'm picturing our resident Swiss Mustachians being super stylish and beautiful now. Am I right, or do you guys wear flip flops and ratty sweat pants?

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« Reply #3643 on: August 11, 2014, 11:04:39 AM »
I'm picturing our resident Swiss Mustachians being super stylish and beautiful now. Am I right, or do you guys wear flip flops and ratty sweat pants?

:)

I'm not a particularly stylish guy, however I wear no flip flops, sweat pants or old t-shirts except on a beach or while doing sports. I'm usually dressed in jeans (good ones) and a polo shirt while off-work. At work it's some combination of slack pants, jeans, dress shirt and a polo shirt. I spend a lot of time in a lab not in a bank meeting clients so there is no need for a formal wear.

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« Reply #3644 on: August 11, 2014, 11:53:20 AM »
Had a meeting with my boss a little while ago.  He'd been lobbying me to become a manager.  "It's not that bad."  His argument in favor was something like: "eventually you're going to look up at the guy above you and realize how much more he's making and how little extra he's doing for it relative to you."

I told him that I don't really measure myself relative to others in that way, think I'm doing well enough on the money front, and that I'd been thinking recently that I might have the best job in the world right where I am.  I point out that I'm high enough up to be taken seriously, "but not so high that you have to be inserting yourself in all sorts of stuff you don't care about" he finishes for me.  Then he starts waxing nostalgic about all the great things about my job that you lose when you get promoted into his.

I sincerely thanked him again for being my boss, and we moved on to technical stuff.

This is my Dad's philosophy. He works almost strictly 40 hours a week, and hasn'r managed anyone in over 10 years. So many people look at the extra money, but not that their hours may up by 50% or more, or what my Dad says is the worst: wondering whether you have your people assigned and doing the right things while you're not working.

Yeah, money isn't worth that much to me.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3645 on: August 11, 2014, 12:43:42 PM »
Broken cover glass is generally not that hard/expensive to fix. Many phones takes some special tools to separate adhesive, which is hard to DIY, but it's definitely a thing people do. Check craigslist/classifieds/etc - I bet you can find someone local. Falling that, ebay should have lots of choices.

If your phone isn't glued, it's probably only a $10-15 part. If it is, maybe $75.

If you're in a decent-sized city, just find one of the offbrand mobile phone stores near the local university. They'll swap the glass out for about the same price as doing it yourself, and you won't even need to get the tools.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3646 on: August 11, 2014, 12:45:12 PM »
Is the same type of clothing really that much more expensive over there (i.e. same quality fabric/construction)?
 I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.

Yes. In Denmark clothes seemed to be 2x-3x more expensive across the board relative to the US. Stupid things like socks and undershirts were more like 4x-5x. The difference is significant enough that Europeans on business trips to our US office come with empty suitcases. I'm not sure if this is a function of taxes, shipping costs, or supply and demand. My own pet theory is that Europeans don't measure each other's social status as much by truck size or house size as they do by daily appearance... so they're willing to spend more on clothes.

+1 on the Swiss being very well put together. The perfect example is the contrast when you take a flight from the US to Zurich... the Europeans wear relatively nice clothes and the Americans look like they are in their pajamas.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3647 on: August 11, 2014, 12:46:25 PM »

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.. You don't really need to spend $60 for a shirt to dress well in the US. Clothing in the US is way cheaper than Europe, yet your average American dresses worse than an average Swiss, Swede, Norwegian. Levi's jeans you can purchase for under $40 bucks here costs over $100 in Norway..


Is the same type of clothing really that much more expensive over there (i.e. same quality fabric/construction)?

 I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.

They are all same quality and they come from India or China or another cheap labor country..

$100  is about 690 Swedish kronor.

Converse All Star: 800 SKR ($115)
http://converse.se/en/converse/8021-converse-all-star-slip-ox-radio-blue.html

Levis' 501 jeans : 899 SKR ($130)
http://www.levi.com/SE/sv_SE/men-jeans/p/005010162

Norway is usually even more expensive.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3648 on: August 11, 2014, 12:49:02 PM »
I was talking with a coworker about our 401k a few months ago.  He is a pretty smart/nice guy, 25 years old, about to finish his MBA at the local regional university.  He didn't really understand the concept of why you would save money for retirement.  He then explained that he thought you just worked X number of years, retired, and someone kept paying you.  Even after explaining why a 401k is important, I had the feeling that he didn't 100% believe you could work 30-40 years and have nothing other than social security.

I have always had the impression that the guy lives paycheck to paycheck.  He was in a panic after learning he wasn't eligible for our annual bonus (had been hired on full time less than six months prior to date of bonus) because he had already spent the amount he planned on receiving.

Wow. I just ... Wow.

Had a meeting with my boss a little while ago.  He'd been lobbying me to become a manager.  "It's not that bad."  His argument in favor was something like: "eventually you're going to look up at the guy above you and realize how much more he's making and how little extra he's doing for it relative to you."

I told him that I don't really measure myself relative to others in that way, think I'm doing well enough on the money front, and that I'd been thinking recently that I might have the best job in the world right where I am.  I point out that I'm high enough up to be taken seriously, "but not so high that you have to be inserting yourself in all sorts of stuff you don't care about" he finishes for me.  Then he starts waxing nostalgic about all the great things about my job that you lose when you get promoted into his.

I sincerely thanked him again for being my boss, and we moved on to technical stuff.

Badass.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #3649 on: August 11, 2014, 01:24:11 PM »

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.. You don't really need to spend $60 for a shirt to dress well in the US. Clothing in the US is way cheaper than Europe, yet your average American dresses worse than an average Swiss, Swede, Norwegian. Levi's jeans you can purchase for under $40 bucks here costs over $100 in Norway..


Is the same type of clothing really that much more expensive over there (i.e. same quality fabric/construction)?

 I mean, Levi's are an American brand, so it makes sense that they would be more expensive in Europe, taking into account exporting/importing expenses.

They are all same quality and they come from India or China or another cheap labor country..

$100  is about 690 Swedish kronor.

Converse All Star: 800 SKR ($115)
http://converse.se/en/converse/8021-converse-all-star-slip-ox-radio-blue.html

Levis' 501 jeans : 899 SKR ($130)
http://www.levi.com/SE/sv_SE/men-jeans/p/005010162

Norway is usually even more expensive.
I was thinking Norway was one of the most expensive countries to live in altogether. If you can find it I would pick a couple more European countries to compare.