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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16000 on: December 06, 2016, 11:18:23 AM »
Reminds me of a conversation my dad was having with some friends of his... "mtndad, what is your Retirement Age" (meaning Social Security) "I'm not sure--it should be 66 for all of us, right? But I'm not taking it until they force me, so I really have no clue"

It was met with a lot of... not quite shock, but maybe mild surprise. He is probably retiring in about a year or less, as soon as his company offers him a package which he thinks is coming. I think he could have retired long ago, but he is too conservative for that.

This story makes me sad. My dad has been making 1/4 million+/yr for at least a decade (now 63yrs old). He has been saying for awhile that he wants to retire yet has no hobbies outside of work.

This should be a cautionary tale to us all to invest and to know how to do things other than work one job.

Just wanted to note that my dads point was he didn't need the Social Security, and he won't take it until the government forces him to at age 70. He will be retiring either in a couple months when he's laid off, or if he's not laid off, in about 1.5 years when he hits his original goal.

Ah, I see your point now and why they were surprised. Thanks, I guess I was so fixated on the age of working that I missed the context. :) Definitely won't be working for that long myself.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16001 on: December 06, 2016, 11:57:02 AM »
Reminds me of a conversation my dad was having with some friends of his... "mtndad, what is your Retirement Age" (meaning Social Security) "I'm not sure--it should be 66 for all of us, right? But I'm not taking it until they force me, so I really have no clue"

It was met with a lot of... not quite shock, but maybe mild surprise. He is probably retiring in about a year or less, as soon as his company offers him a package which he thinks is coming. I think he could have retired long ago, but he is too conservative for that.

This story makes me sad. My dad has been making 1/4 million+/yr for at least a decade (now 63yrs old). He has been saying for awhile that he wants to retire yet has no hobbies outside of work.

This should be a cautionary tale to us all to invest and to know how to do things other than work one job.

Just wanted to note that my dads point was he didn't need the Social Security, and he won't take it until the government forces him to at age 70. He will be retiring either in a couple months when he's laid off, or if he's not laid off, in about 1.5 years when he hits his original goal.

Ah, I see your point now and why they were surprised. Thanks, I guess I was so fixated on the age of working that I missed the context. :) Definitely won't be working for that long myself.

Yeah this is a concern for my dad as well. He has enough to easily retire but he has no outside hobbies and few real friends.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16002 on: December 06, 2016, 02:22:11 PM »
Last year I received a 19 inch flat screen TV

You mean a really shitty resolution 19 inch monitor? :)

Nope, this was an actual bona fide television, not a computer monitor.  I assume it's the kind people put on their kitchen counter or something like that.  The guy who finally bought it from me does some kind of cable repair service and was going to use it as an in-home test/demo kit.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16003 on: December 06, 2016, 02:37:53 PM »
Last year I received a 19 inch flat screen TV

You mean a really shitty resolution 19 inch monitor? :)

Nope, this was an actual bona fide television, not a computer monitor.  I assume it's the kind people put on their kitchen counter or something like that.  The guy who finally bought it from me does some kind of cable repair service and was going to use it as an in-home test/demo kit.

Yeah, I have a 19" TV in my kitchen.  Have a switch behind it to toggle between the feed from the living room TV or the basement TV.  Mostly use it for watching sports or the news while cooking or cleaning up meals.  My wife got it to use in her dorm room like 12 years ago.  Works great.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16004 on: December 07, 2016, 02:37:06 AM »
Team discussing power bills...

Dude A: I hate paying my power bill; it's usually $500/quarter.

Dude B: Mine's $1500.

Dude A: That seems high...

Dude B: I keep the AC on all the time. It's easier than opening and closing windows.

(For comparison, mine is about $200.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16005 on: December 07, 2016, 08:35:28 AM »
Team discussing power bills...

Dude A: I hate paying my power bill; it's usually $500/quarter.

Dude B: Mine's $1500.

Dude A: That seems high...

Dude B: I keep the AC on all the time. It's easier than opening and closing windows.

(For comparison, mine is about $200.)
Wow, he's paying $10/day so that he doesn't have to open and close windows!?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16006 on: December 07, 2016, 08:41:35 AM »
Team discussing power bills...

Dude A: I hate paying my power bill; it's usually $500/quarter.

Dude B: Mine's $1500.

Dude A: That seems high...

Dude B: I keep the AC on all the time. It's easier than opening and closing windows.

(For comparison, mine is about $200.)
Wow, he's paying $10/day so that he doesn't have to open and close windows!?


Dude. DUDE. That's more than I pay for power YEARLY, and I'm including electricity and wood heat for Quebec winters in that number. Like, DUDE. Shape up.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16007 on: December 07, 2016, 10:08:04 AM »
The Christmas present buying orgy had begun around my workplace. 

Most people are reasonable, but there's this one guy ... he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer, and the other is getting a karaoke machine.  He's buying himself a VR headset and some software to go with it.  His wife is getting an iPad with accessories. 

Everything goes on the HELOC, which he manages to keep pinned at around $450K.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16008 on: December 07, 2016, 10:28:01 AM »
I have a follow up to a much earlier post of mine on how people refuse to drink the free coffee provided at work. Some people just prefer paying for starbucks or other brand instead of green mountain I guess.

As a stipulation of the free coffee, my company provides 12 oz cups for use, but really encourages people to buy and use reusable cups (of any size). There are a number of people that don't have reusable cups and I assume feel the 12 oz cups are too small. Note that you can get unlimited refills. These people instead walk to the other side of the cafe, grab a 20oz soft-drink cup, and pay $1.10.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16009 on: December 07, 2016, 11:22:45 AM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

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« Reply #16010 on: December 07, 2016, 11:30:31 AM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

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« Reply #16011 on: December 07, 2016, 11:35:09 AM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16012 on: December 07, 2016, 12:09:05 PM »
And a lot of the expense is monitors, which should still be good.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16013 on: December 07, 2016, 12:10:53 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?
Here I was, feeling guilty about spending almost $1k on my gaming desktop.  I guess some people just need to view every game out in the highest setting possible, where I don't mind playing in the lowest setting.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16014 on: December 07, 2016, 12:13:06 PM »
The Christmas present buying orgy had begun around my workplace. 

Most people are reasonable, but there's this one guy ... he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer, and the other is getting a karaoke machine.  He's buying himself a VR headset and some software to go with it.  His wife is getting an iPad with accessories. 

Everything goes on the HELOC, which he manages to keep pinned at around $450K.

I just dropped thirty large on my  husband for new bike lights that go on your spokes.  We bike in the dark 2x a week.  (That's obv 30 bucks)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16015 on: December 07, 2016, 12:15:53 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...
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« Reply #16016 on: December 07, 2016, 12:18:40 PM »
The other night I had a dream about how a coworker did something ridiculous and I was excited because it meant that I could finally share something on this thread. Then I woke up and realized it was all a dream. I work for a government contractor and apparently all of us nerdy engineers are reasonable with our money, so no crazy stories.

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« Reply #16017 on: December 07, 2016, 12:26:09 PM »
The other night I had a dream about how a coworker did something ridiculous and I was excited because it meant that I could finally share something on this thread.

That is excellent.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16018 on: December 07, 2016, 12:28:28 PM »
The Christmas present buying orgy had begun around my workplace. 

Most people are reasonable, but there's this one guy ... he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer, and the other is getting a karaoke machine.  He's buying himself a VR headset and some software to go with it.  His wife is getting an iPad with accessories. 

Everything goes on the HELOC, which he manages to keep pinned at around $450K.

I just dropped thirty large on my  husband for new bike lights that go on your spokes.  We bike in the dark 2x a week.  (That's obv 30 bucks)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16019 on: December 07, 2016, 01:28:23 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!
Ugh, throw a closer-to-top-of-the-line graphics card in what I have penciled out, and it's a "super-duper gaming computer" too.  But 99% isn't good enough for some people...

And what I'll be "repealing and replacing" is six years old, with a few upgrades along the way (and for anyone that's not a gamer or photo/video professional still way more muscle than is necessary).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16020 on: December 07, 2016, 01:29:02 PM »
I have a follow up to a much earlier post of mine on how people refuse to drink the free coffee provided at work. Some people just prefer paying for starbucks or other brand instead of green mountain I guess.

The building where I work has a Tim Hortons in the lobby. With apologies to my Canadian friends, the coffee at Tim Hortons is hot garbage. And yet every morning there's still a line fifteen or twenty people deep of employees who all have free coffee available in their offices. I don't get it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16021 on: December 07, 2016, 03:55:15 PM »
Team discussing power bills...

Dude A: I hate paying my power bill; it's usually $500/quarter.

Dude B: Mine's $1500.

Dude A: That seems high...

Dude B: I keep the AC on all the time. It's easier than opening and closing windows.

(For comparison, mine is about $200.)
Wow, he's paying $10/day so that he doesn't have to open and close windows!?

I open and close my windows so often (ok once per day) that I start to worry about wear and tear.  How much will opening and closing my windows every day decrease the life of my windows vs. always closed?  10 years vs 20?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16022 on: December 07, 2016, 07:51:53 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?

That's what we say to justify the purchase and the extra bells and whistles ("it's to make it future proof, I swear."). I follow tech influencers and I work as a software developer around people who have built PCs (myself included) but very rarely do I hear of someone actually upgrading their PC. Often it is a completely new system. Even a new monitor isn't unheard of.

This isn't to say that upgrades don't happen but that it is rare given the rhetoric. I've personally upgraded a custom PC twice; adding SSDs and a new GPU. As comparison, my raw amount on pre-built systems is higher. I upgraded my mid-2011 Mac Mini twice to give it extra ram and a ssd. My fabulous Dell Desktop XPS 8910, a  beautiful, compact, pristine computer, was upgraded with an SSD and GPU.

I have moved to suggesting pre-built systems instead of custom built ones; at least in Canada and the UK they aren't much more expensive and are worth the small premium because of the added support if a component is DOA. And as I've found, many pre-built systems are surprisingly upgradable when a future need arises.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16023 on: December 07, 2016, 09:44:04 PM »
Alright, anti-mustachian shit: I've been running up my electric bill by using my computer to batch process graphics... for like the past month, nonstop. Literally wrote a little batch thing to process a massive list.

Cost me an extra $10 or so per month.

On the plus side, it's cold as hell - that's $10 worth of electrical heat in my apartment, I suppose.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16024 on: December 07, 2016, 09:53:39 PM »
I built a three thousand dollar workstation in 2014.

Intel gave me a free 4960x, which retails around $1000. I spent the other $2000 out of pocket on a system to match: ~$250 for the mobo, ~$100 for the case, ~$100 for cooling, ~$300 for the GPU, ~$300 for the power supply, ~$200 for a super high quality SSD, ~$200 for three hard drives, ~$50 for a media player, ~$200 for 32 gigs (4x8) DDR3 at a decent clock rate, and a 4K TV as a monitor, and taxes for it all.

(That's the computer crunching graphics.)

Given Intel's advancements in single-threaded performance over the past three or so years being fairly low, and my work there, I do assume they'll continue at around ~5% single-threaded perf year on year. They'll continue quite a large amount of power savings year on year. And they'll continue a lot of multi-core perf and graphics perf every year, in servers and client respectively.

Given that 1) I don't really care about having more than six cores (twelve threads), 2) single-threaded perf won't be rising too quickly, 3) power isn't terribly relevant for a workstation like mine, and 4) on-die graphics being irrelevant for both workstations and the server market (my CPU is a gimped xeon) - I fully expect to keep this computer with only mild changes for eight, maybe even as much as ten years. It's been two, and there hasn't been much to make my computer and slower than it used to be. Linux tends to get faster every new release anyways.

Of course, I do really use the full performance of the machine.

Speaking of resource-intensive programs - there are no games out, not even AAA titles, that really expect $3k worth of compute hardware, let alone $5k. $5k a few years ago is an amazing machine today, hardly worse in gaming performance than a $5k machine today. I guess I can see how to spend $5k on a gaming machine, but I have no idea what kind of hare-brained ass-backwards computer-spec-masturbating cretin thinks you need to upgrade such a system on any sort of regular basis.

That said, see if you can buy his old computer for cheap. I mean, it's crap now, right? See if you can buy it for a thousand bucks.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16025 on: December 07, 2016, 10:07:31 PM »
Yeah man but can you like watch netflix on it?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16026 on: December 08, 2016, 12:13:58 AM »
Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?
That's what we say to justify the purchase and the extra bells and whistles ("it's to make it future proof, I swear."). I follow tech influencers and I work as a software developer around people who have built PCs (myself included) but very rarely do I hear of someone actually upgrading their PC. Often it is a completely new system. Even a new monitor isn't unheard of.

My boyfriend is a dev and he definitely upgrades instead of buys new, but that being said I don't think it's any cheaper.  Every month there is a new part that 'needs' to be replaced and it seems like they all cost at least $300

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16027 on: December 08, 2016, 01:19:06 AM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16028 on: December 08, 2016, 02:03:46 AM »
I was in a meeting with someone that makes roughly twice my salary and is about 15 years older than me (I'm 27).

The conversation turned to interest rates.  I said I'd just had a letter that the interest on my emergency fund is being reduced, which sucks. 

He said it doesn't affect him because he has no savings.

That kinda killed the conversation.
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« Reply #16029 on: December 08, 2016, 02:13:44 AM »
I was in a meeting with someone that makes roughly twice my salary and is about 15 years older than me (I'm 27).

The conversation turned to interest rates.  I said I'd just had a letter that the interest on my emergency fund is being reduced, which sucks. 

He said it doesn't affect him because he has no savings.

That kinda killed the conversation.

... always look on the bright side of life?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16030 on: December 08, 2016, 02:55:54 AM »
I was in a meeting with someone that makes roughly twice my salary and is about 15 years older than me (I'm 27).

The conversation turned to interest rates.  I said I'd just had a letter that the interest on my emergency fund is being reduced, which sucks. 

He said it doesn't affect him because he has no savings.

That kinda killed the conversation.

... always look on the bright side of life?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16031 on: December 08, 2016, 06:15:05 AM »
I was in a meeting with someone that makes roughly twice my salary and is about 15 years older than me (I'm 27).

The conversation turned to interest rates.  I said I'd just had a letter that the interest on my emergency fund is being reduced, which sucks. 

He said it doesn't affect him because he has no savings.

That kinda killed the conversation.

... always look on the bright side of life?

dee doop...dee doop...dee doop, dee doop, dee doop!
Somehow I read that as "de poop, de poop.... "
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16032 on: December 08, 2016, 06:24:47 AM »
Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?
That's what we say to justify the purchase and the extra bells and whistles ("it's to make it future proof, I swear."). I follow tech influencers and I work as a software developer around people who have built PCs (myself included) but very rarely do I hear of someone actually upgrading their PC. Often it is a completely new system. Even a new monitor isn't unheard of.

My boyfriend is a dev and he definitely upgrades instead of buys new, but that being said I don't think it's any cheaper.  Every month there is a new part that 'needs' to be replaced and it seems like they all cost at least $300
If my employer was paying for the upgrades, I'd be loving it. Or if I was self-employed and could expense it, if that upgrade has clear benefits. But out of my pocket, ain't no way.

I built a 'god box' in 2011 with an i7-2600k (once the prices dropped), 16 GB RAM, SSDs, ATI Radeon mid-high GFX card, two 24" monitors etc. Now it's my wife's work-from-home PC and I use it very occasionally, mostly Adobe Lightroom. I haven't seen a single performance issue that would need an upgrade. Sometimes I wonder why I built it, I'm not into PC/Console gaming; I think it was my co-workers encouraging me to build a machine, and everything was bought on sale from Newegg/Amazon. I must have spent about $1200 on it. I won't be buying another PC, I'll be upgrading this mid-tower.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16033 on: December 08, 2016, 06:29:01 AM »
The other night I had a dream about how a coworker did something ridiculous and I was excited because it meant that I could finally share something on this thread. Then I woke up and realized it was all a dream. I work for a government contractor and apparently all of us nerdy engineers are reasonable with our money, so no crazy stories.

I'm living vicariously through you guys; don't let me down!

I actually wonder about my coworkers, none of them seem too outrageous (well except the guy who bought $10k worth of brand new furniture via financing after buying a house). But he paid that off pretty quickly, so it's less dramatic.

And at least two of them are MMM minded, too, so a good percentage of us are saving quite a bit.. and bringing lunches every most days in spite of a heavily subsidized lunch.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16034 on: December 08, 2016, 06:41:53 AM »
I was in a meeting with someone that makes roughly twice my salary and is about 15 years older than me (I'm 27).
The conversation turned to interest rates.  I said I'd just had a letter that the interest on my emergency fund is being reduced, which sucks. 
He said it doesn't affect him because he has no savings.
That kinda killed the conversation.
... always look on the bright side of life?

Like maybe the colleague also has no borrowing?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16035 on: December 08, 2016, 12:46:48 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?

Yes, BUT...

When you start to get into the 3-4 year age range with any high end computer, the parts supply can get a bit funky. I have a 2011 socket type motherboard with an i7 in it, the motherboard can take an "extreme" processor (6 cores instead of 4, larger caches), but those chips are still 700-1000$ even after all this time. Once you get into the super high end, you'll pay, oooh you'll pay.

If you want the newest hardware to work flawlessly at the highest possible speeds out of some of the newer graphics cards and memory, you generally end up having to upgrade the motherboard, which means upgrades to the CPU, RAM, and most likely the hard drive.

I'm looking at getting a 144hz Gsync monitor at some point, but to utilize the low response time I'll need to upgrade the GPU, so the whole thing will cost 2X what I want for just the monitor upgrade. I've delayed that purchase, perhaps indefinitely. I can totally see how its possible to go over-board spending 2k on monitor + graphics card, another 1k on a CPU, 1k on motherboard/case/memory/HD, and 1k for some company to put it together and ship it to you.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16036 on: December 08, 2016, 12:49:25 PM »
I just dropped thirty large on my  husband for new bike lights that go on your spokes.  We bike in the dark 2x a week.  (That's obv 30 bucks)

When I was a child we had lights powered by our spokes on all bicycles.
I once read that a police officer tried to give a fine to a cyclist for not having his light on. The cyclist was standing still at a red traffic light. The cyclist had to explain the "old fashioned" lighting system. The police officer was obviously very young.

I think what you mean is using a dynamo to power normal back and front lights, whereas I think mm1970 meant something like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7w8vI_Z3QDE/maxresdefault.jpg I had dynamo lights on my old bike and I ended up buying a second battery-powered set because having the lights go out at traffic lights felt very unsafe. Just because I'm stationary doesn't mean I'm magically more visible to cars, and people don't always stop when and where they should!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16037 on: December 08, 2016, 01:18:34 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?

Yes, BUT...

When you start to get into the 3-4 year age range with any high end computer, the parts supply can get a bit funky. I have a 2011 socket type motherboard with an i7 in it, the motherboard can take an "extreme" processor (6 cores instead of 4, larger caches), but those chips are still 700-1000$ even after all this time. Once you get into the super high end, you'll pay, oooh you'll pay.

If you want the newest hardware to work flawlessly at the highest possible speeds out of some of the newer graphics cards and memory, you generally end up having to upgrade the motherboard, which means upgrades to the CPU, RAM, and most likely the hard drive.

I'm looking at getting a 144hz Gsync monitor at some point, but to utilize the low response time I'll need to upgrade the GPU, so the whole thing will cost 2X what I want for just the monitor upgrade. I've delayed that purchase, perhaps indefinitely. I can totally see how its possible to go over-board spending 2k on monitor + graphics card, another 1k on a CPU, 1k on motherboard/case/memory/HD, and 1k for some company to put it together and ship it to you.

Fair enough, I know very little about computers or gaming.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16038 on: December 08, 2016, 01:54:42 PM »
he's building one kid adult child a $5K desktop computer
What in the what?  I'm going pretty balls-to-the-walls with putting together a new desktop PC (that she actually needs for her work) for my GF after Kaby Lake and Z270 drop in January, and it'll wind up being like $2500 at the absolutely most...

It's a gaming computer so it needs to be super-duper.  He did the same thing 2-3 years ago - time for an upgrade!

Isn't the benefit of building a desktop computer that you can easily upgrade the parts in it, rather than needing to start from scratch?

Yes, BUT...

When you start to get into the 3-4 year age range with any high end computer, the parts supply can get a bit funky. I have a 2011 socket type motherboard with an i7 in it, the motherboard can take an "extreme" processor (6 cores instead of 4, larger caches), but those chips are still 700-1000$ even after all this time. Once you get into the super high end, you'll pay, oooh you'll pay.

If you want the newest hardware to work flawlessly at the highest possible speeds out of some of the newer graphics cards and memory, you generally end up having to upgrade the motherboard, which means upgrades to the CPU, RAM, and most likely the hard drive.

I'm looking at getting a 144hz Gsync monitor at some point, but to utilize the low response time I'll need to upgrade the GPU, so the whole thing will cost 2X what I want for just the monitor upgrade. I've delayed that purchase, perhaps indefinitely. I can totally see how its possible to go over-board spending 2k on monitor + graphics card, another 1k on a CPU, 1k on motherboard/case/memory/HD, and 1k for some company to put it together and ship it to you.
Which is why my husband buys old games on steam (he had very little time to play during grad school).  The games and the gaming requirements are much cheaper 4 years old than new.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16039 on: December 08, 2016, 02:04:46 PM »
Which is why my husband buys old games on steam (he had very little time to play during grad school).  The games and the gaming requirements are much cheaper 4 years old than new.

This is the way to do it.  I do the same thing with gaming consoles, staying one generation back.  Today's hot new game will be the same game 4 years from now, but 20% the cost.  Only reason to pay today is impatience.  Online multi-player stuff does make this a bit harder though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16040 on: December 08, 2016, 02:39:53 PM »
Which is why my husband buys old games on steam (he had very little time to play during grad school).  The games and the gaming requirements are much cheaper 4 years old than new.

This is the way to do it.  I do the same thing with gaming consoles, staying one generation back.  Today's hot new game will be the same game 4 years from now, but 20% the cost.  Only reason to pay today is impatience.  Online multi-player stuff does make this a bit harder though.

I love Stream and GOG, through them I've been able to play the new(ish) editions of Monkey Island and Tex Murphy, which were two computer game franchises I loved as a kid. I'm looking to get Grim Fandango next.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16041 on: December 08, 2016, 02:40:34 PM »
Which is why my husband buys old games on steam (he had very little time to play during grad school).  The games and the gaming requirements are much cheaper 4 years old than new.

This is the way to do it.  I do the same thing with gaming consoles, staying one generation back.  Today's hot new game will be the same game 4 years from now, but 20% the cost.  Only reason to pay today is impatience.  Online multi-player stuff does make this a bit harder though.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16042 on: December 08, 2016, 03:06:41 PM »
I have never understood the draw of spending so much $$ on gaming computers. My lil bro got a very generous gift of $10k from a family member once and spent ~ a quarter of it on a new (gaming) computer...while in school and in debt...and lest you think he saved the rest - think again! :(

Which is why my husband buys old games on steam (he had very little time to play during grad school).  The games and the gaming requirements are much cheaper 4 years old than new.

This is the way to do it.  I do the same thing with gaming consoles, staying one generation back.  Today's hot new game will be the same game 4 years from now, but 20% the cost.  Only reason to pay today is impatience.  Online multi-player stuff does make this a bit harder though.

For frugal online multi-player stuff, I've heard good things about Warframe. Yet to try it out personally, though.

I love Stream and GOG, through them I've been able to play the new(ish) editions of Monkey Island and Tex Murphy, which were two computer game franchises I loved as a kid. I'm looking to get Grim Fandango next.
<3 Monkey Island so much, and recently(ish) got Grim Fandango <3

The obvious next step is to get Tex Murphy, apparently!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16043 on: December 08, 2016, 03:15:42 PM »
...and people don't always stop when and where they should!

Ain't that the truth.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16044 on: December 08, 2016, 03:30:54 PM »

I love Stream and GOG, through them I've been able to play the new(ish) editions of Monkey Island and Tex Murphy, which were two computer game franchises I loved as a kid. I'm looking to get Grim Fandango next.
<3 Monkey Island so much, and recently(ish) got Grim Fandango <3

The obvious next step is to get Tex Murphy, apparently!

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Couldn't resist :-). I highly recommend Tex Murphy, it's an adventure game like Monkey Island but it's live-action instead of animated. I recommend starting with Under a Killing Moon.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16045 on: December 08, 2016, 04:26:08 PM »
I just dropped thirty large on my  husband for new bike lights that go on your spokes.  We bike in the dark 2x a week.  (That's obv 30 bucks)

When I was a child we had lights powered by our spokes on all bicycles.
I once read that a police officer tried to give a fine to a cyclist for not having his light on. The cyclist was standing still at a red traffic light. The cyclist had to explain the "old fashioned" lighting system. The police officer was obviously very young.

I think what you mean is using a dynamo to power normal back and front lights, whereas I think mm1970 meant something like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7w8vI_Z3QDE/maxresdefault.jpg I had dynamo lights on my old bike and I ended up buying a second battery-powered set because having the lights go out at traffic lights felt very unsafe. Just because I'm stationary doesn't mean I'm magically more visible to cars, and people don't always stop when and where they should!

I just hope that all of you bikers are supplementing the bike lights with reflective vests.  The bike lights are nice, but there are too many bikers in this area whose tiny bike reflectors or lights look like the same reflectors we have on mailboxes.  They also decide to wear all dark clothing.  It's scary to come up to a "mailbox" and, after passing, realize "That was a person!!!"
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16046 on: December 08, 2016, 07:06:33 PM »
Everyone in my work place has always appeared relatively mustachian, in that we all bring lunch from home, several people use public transport (I'm the only one that bikes to work) until a new guy started recently. He goes out for lunch everyday, usually to some real grotty places, buys coffees, muffins.... We were discussing the lunches we'd brought in and I said I'd got leftover curry (yum). New guy pipes up, "Why would you bring in curry when you can buy one around here?"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16047 on: December 08, 2016, 07:54:53 PM »
Yes, BUT...

When you start to get into the 3-4 year age range with any high end computer, the parts supply can get a bit funky. I have a 2011 socket type motherboard with an i7 in it, the motherboard can take an "extreme" processor (6 cores instead of 4, larger caches), but those chips are still 700-1000$ even after all this time. Once you get into the super high end, you'll pay, oooh you'll pay.

If you want the newest hardware to work flawlessly at the highest possible speeds out of some of the newer graphics cards and memory, you generally end up having to upgrade the motherboard, which means upgrades to the CPU, RAM, and most likely the hard drive.

I'm looking at getting a 144hz Gsync monitor at some point, but to utilize the low response time I'll need to upgrade the GPU, so the whole thing will cost 2X what I want for just the monitor upgrade. I've delayed that purchase, perhaps indefinitely. I can totally see how its possible to go over-board spending 2k on monitor + graphics card, another 1k on a CPU, 1k on motherboard/case/memory/HD, and 1k for some company to put it together and ship it to you.

While you are generally correct, the only parts I'd expect to potentially fail, or start to fail, after 3-4 years, are the power supply and the cooling.

Power supply - buy better power supplies... capacitors do age out, but 3-4 years is short. Definitely not unheard of, especially on budget supplies. Actually, relevant to cooling - power supplies should have their own fan, and if it starts to fail, the rest of the supply may die quickly.

In any ever, a decent PSU is somewhere between $100 to $300 depending on your needs. ~$300 buys a 1000+ watt 90% efficient monster with top notch ratings and an expected lifetime of over five years.

Water cooling systems should probably be replaced once in a while just in case, or at least inspected. Spinning fans often have bearings that shit the bed - after just two and a half years, one of my 140mm fans started to grind, and I couldn't find a proper replacement, so I went for a $40 upgrade for two new fans (and kept the old working one as a spare.)

Nothing else should fail on that timeline...

Unless you really enjoy overclocking processors, in which case, computers are just a hobby you sink money into regularly, and processors become consumables. If that's so, then, meh.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16048 on: December 09, 2016, 03:38:28 AM »
Everyone in my work place has always appeared relatively mustachian, in that we all bring lunch from home, several people use public transport (I'm the only one that bikes to work) until a new guy started recently. He goes out for lunch everyday, usually to some real grotty places, buys coffees, muffins.... We were discussing the lunches we'd brought in and I said I'd got leftover curry (yum). New guy pipes up, "Why would you bring in curry when you can buy one around here?"

We don't you for fun calculate how much this bought curry would cost and multiple it with your number of working days a year. Then you say: to save ... dollars a year and because I know it tastes good.

I wonder whether the new guy will change his behaviour over time, with all his colleagues giving a good example. Or whether your colleagues rather will follow him in buying food.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16049 on: December 09, 2016, 05:25:04 AM »
Everyone in my work place has always appeared relatively mustachian, in that we all bring lunch from home, several people use public transport (I'm the only one that bikes to work) until a new guy started recently. He goes out for lunch everyday, usually to some real grotty places, buys coffees, muffins.... We were discussing the lunches we'd brought in and I said I'd got leftover curry (yum). New guy pipes up, "Why would you bring in curry when you can buy one around here?"

I'm envisioning everyone else staring at him like he's got two heads, all background noise ceasing except the sound of crickets chirping....;-)