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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20800 on: September 01, 2018, 05:41:36 AM »
A young co-worker of mine was telling us about all the car modifications he's planning on doing. To a leased car.

I sure hope he’s planning on buying it at the end of the lease.

It sounded like he was just going to turn it in at the end. He was buying bolt on stuff, so he should be able to return it to stock form, but I don’t get why he would risk messing up a car he’ll be turning in after a few years. He’ll also be left with a pile of parts he’ll need to store, sell, or trash.

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« Reply #20801 on: September 01, 2018, 04:11:28 PM »
Oh, and did I tell you I got new 65in TV's?  The 55 inch ones seemed a little small so figured I should upgrade.

Seriously...living with only a 55 inch TV? That's pretty much the electronic equivalent of living without indoor plumbing. A must-have upgrade.

Whats my 40 inch (or even smaller) one then, that I got "gifted"? Did someone gift me an indoor shit pit?
You need to find friends that are more spendypants! My wife was gifted a 46" TV when her friend upgraded.
Apparently that's not big enough, but I'll gladly suffer with it. :-)
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« Reply #20802 on: September 01, 2018, 04:47:58 PM »
Oh, and did I tell you I got new 65in TV's?  The 55 inch ones seemed a little small so figured I should upgrade.

Seriously...living with only a 55 inch TV? That's pretty much the electronic equivalent of living without indoor plumbing. A must-have upgrade.

Whats my 40 inch (or even smaller) one then, that I got "gifted"? Did someone gift me an indoor shit pit?
You need to find friends that are more spendypants! My wife was gifted a 46" TV when her friend upgraded.
Apparently that's not big enough, but I'll gladly suffer with it. :-)
Damn, I only bought our 43" last year and thought it was luxurious.  Clearly I must have been mistaken.  Somehow I will find a way to cope with this awful life.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20803 on: September 02, 2018, 12:00:17 AM »
Oh, and did I tell you I got new 65in TV's?  The 55 inch ones seemed a little small so figured I should upgrade.

Seriously...living with only a 55 inch TV? That's pretty much the electronic equivalent of living without indoor plumbing. A must-have upgrade.

Whats my 40 inch (or even smaller) one then, that I got "gifted"? Did someone gift me an indoor shit pit?
You need to find friends that are more spendypants! My wife was gifted a 46" TV when her friend upgraded.
Apparently that's not big enough, but I'll gladly suffer with it. :-)
Damn, I only bought our 43" last year and thought it was luxurious.  Clearly I must have been mistaken.  Somehow I will find a way to cope with this awful life.

Just sit closer!  The only excuse for a large TV is if you have a large number of people watching, making viewing angles problematic at shorter distances (think movie theater design).  Otherwise I always loved watching video on my 12” laptop 24” from my face. 

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« Reply #20804 on: September 02, 2018, 02:30:13 AM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

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« Reply #20805 on: September 02, 2018, 03:12:17 AM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen. It's 28 inch and we sit around eight feet from it. We don't have cable, we just use it for Netflix and he uses it for gaming. I never even had a TV until I moved in with him, I would watch DVDs on my laptop occasionally. To me this thing feels really big already.

I guess I should be happy he's lusting after 32 inch screens, not one of those 75 inch screens. One of our neighbours has one. He has a window directly opposite the TV (above the sofa) and he never closes the curtains. From my bedroom window, 50 feet away, I can clearly see what he's watching.

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« Reply #20806 on: September 02, 2018, 01:43:14 PM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen. It's 28 inch and we sit around eight feet from it. We don't have cable, we just use it for Netflix and he uses it for gaming. I never even had a TV until I moved in with him, I would watch DVDs on my laptop occasionally. To me this thing feels really big already.

I guess I should be happy he's lusting after 32 inch screens, not one of those 75 inch screens. One of our neighbours has one. He has a window directly opposite the TV (above the sofa) and he never closes the curtains. From my bedroom window, 50 feet away, I can clearly see what he's watching.

So now all you need is your own remote to change your neighbor's channel and turn on subtitles :)

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« Reply #20807 on: September 02, 2018, 06:52:39 PM »
I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen.
Just tell him, "You're not the only one who'd like something bigger." It doesn't have to be true, it should keep him quiet for a bit.

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« Reply #20808 on: September 03, 2018, 01:05:50 AM »
I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen.
Just tell him, "You're not the only one who'd like something bigger." It doesn't have to be true, it should keep him quiet for a bit.

I literally LOL'ed :D

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« Reply #20809 on: September 03, 2018, 02:04:59 PM »
I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen.
Just tell him, "You're not the only one who'd like something bigger." It doesn't have to be true, it should keep him quiet for a bit.

I don't know how my guy does it (he does it all the time) but he just came home with a free, barely used TV. 44 inch, bigger than we'd hoped, value €700 new. Every now and then it suddenly turns itself off. The previous owner got a free replacement because it was faulty and didn't have to return this one. Since he's pretty good at fixing electronics (it's his work) I'm sure he'll figure out a way to fix this. The previous owner wasn't able to turn it on at all and he's already got it to the point where it just turns off every now and then. He thinks he might have to replace a part. We also might have to rearrange all the furniture to house this clown TV.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20810 on: September 03, 2018, 03:43:24 PM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

Not just now.  Wide screens were originally implemented in order to provide an immersive experience by entering your peripheral vision.  Over time, however, it seems like directors have started to put subjects and action near the edges.  Which means you get those people who like to sit all the way in the back so they can see everything, defeating the original purpose of widescreen.

But now, technology is fighting back.  We've got things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DX where they are adding projectors to the side walls.

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« Reply #20811 on: September 04, 2018, 03:36:12 AM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

Not just now.  Wide screens were originally implemented in order to provide an immersive experience by entering your peripheral vision.  Over time, however, it seems like directors have started to put subjects and action near the edges.  Which means you get those people who like to sit all the way in the back so they can see everything, defeating the original purpose of widescreen.

But now, technology is fighting back.  We've got things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DX where they are adding projectors to the side walls.

It is not technology fightign back, it is TV sellers trying to get you into buying more TVs. Especially expensive ones.

I mean, just imagine people still using their first HD TV and maybe using it for the next ten years too! What a horror! What a stone to the progress of the economy!!


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« Reply #20812 on: September 04, 2018, 06:38:07 AM »
Co-worker at the lunch table: I am going on a week's vacation with a friend, to Turkey. My friend just messaged me that she had scheduled a boat trip from Marmaris. You (my co-worker) have nothing to say in this, I just booked it.

They are talking about hiring a private boat with sailor from 10am to 17 pm. Turley is a low-cost country, so it is probably not very expensive. But I wouldn't like it if my friend had ordered an expense, not giving me a voice in it, and expected me to pay half of it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20813 on: September 04, 2018, 08:40:08 AM »
A young co-worker of mine was telling us about all the car modifications he's planning on doing. To a leased car.

I sure hope he’s planning on buying it at the end of the lease.

It sounded like he was just going to turn it in at the end. He was buying bolt on stuff, so he should be able to return it to stock form, but I don’t get why he would risk messing up a car he’ll be turning in after a few years. He’ll also be left with a pile of parts he’ll need to store, sell, or trash.

Is he going for appearance mods or "more poweh"?

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« Reply #20814 on: September 04, 2018, 08:43:58 AM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

Not just now.  Wide screens were originally implemented in order to provide an immersive experience by entering your peripheral vision.  Over time, however, it seems like directors have started to put subjects and action near the edges.  Which means you get those people who like to sit all the way in the back so they can see everything, defeating the original purpose of widescreen.

But now, technology is fighting back.  We've got things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DX where they are adding projectors to the side walls.

It is not technology fightign back, it is TV sellers trying to get you into buying more TVs. Especially expensive ones.

I mean, just imagine people still using their first HD TV and maybe using it for the next ten years too! What a horror! What a stone to the progress of the economy!!

Bicycles are the same way. Once I renewed my interest in pedaling a few years back I realized that there are types of bikes I never heard of. A gravel bike? Looks like a ten speed road bike with bigger tires. I always thought a mtn bike was for gravel roads.

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« Reply #20815 on: September 05, 2018, 02:48:47 AM »
Up till the 1970s, the recommendation for TVs was to sit eight times their diagonal size from them. So, eight feet from a 12" TV, and from the 75" TVs I've seen on sale... fifty feet?


Now it's twice the diagonal. We want to be immersed, apparently. One reason we have more shortsighted people...

Not just now.  Wide screens were originally implemented in order to provide an immersive experience by entering your peripheral vision.  Over time, however, it seems like directors have started to put subjects and action near the edges.  Which means you get those people who like to sit all the way in the back so they can see everything, defeating the original purpose of widescreen.

But now, technology is fighting back.  We've got things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DX where they are adding projectors to the side walls.

It is not technology fightign back, it is TV sellers trying to get you into buying more TVs. Especially expensive ones.

I mean, just imagine people still using their first HD TV and maybe using it for the next ten years too! What a horror! What a stone to the progress of the economy!!

Bicycles are the same way. Once I renewed my interest in pedaling a few years back I realized that there are types of bikes I never heard of. A gravel bike? Looks like a ten speed road bike with bigger tires. I always thought a mtn bike was for gravel roads.

Husband has a gravel bike. We thought the same. He has a flat bar road bike, we measured the gap between brakes and the front fork and put in the biggest possible tyres.

Voila, gravel bike! At the cost of a set of tyres. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20816 on: September 05, 2018, 03:44:48 AM »
A young co-worker of mine was telling us about all the car modifications he's planning on doing. To a leased car.

I sure hope he’s planning on buying it at the end of the lease.

It sounded like he was just going to turn it in at the end. He was buying bolt on stuff, so he should be able to return it to stock form, but I don’t get why he would risk messing up a car he’ll be turning in after a few years. He’ll also be left with a pile of parts he’ll need to store, sell, or trash.

Is he going for appearance mods or "more poweh"?

It sounded like he had mostly appearance stuff purchased now but wanted to get an exhaust system and intake. Those probably won’t add much power, or be a huge risk for damage to the car. Mostly, he’ll probably just make the car noisier. It still seems silly to sink money into a car you will be turning in at th end of the lease.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20817 on: September 05, 2018, 07:40:17 AM »
Yep it does.

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« Reply #20818 on: September 05, 2018, 08:26:57 AM »
A young co-worker of mine was telling us about all the car modifications he's planning on doing. To a leased car.

I sure hope he’s planning on buying it at the end of the lease.

It sounded like he was just going to turn it in at the end. He was buying bolt on stuff, so he should be able to return it to stock form, but I don’t get why he would risk messing up a car he’ll be turning in after a few years. He’ll also be left with a pile of parts he’ll need to store, sell, or trash.

Is he going for appearance mods or "more poweh"?

It sounded like he had mostly appearance stuff purchased now but wanted to get an exhaust system and intake. Those probably won’t add much power, or be a huge risk for damage to the car. Mostly, he’ll probably just make the car noisier. It still seems silly to sink money into a car you will be turning in at th end of the lease.

Not to mention that he will potentially void any warranty on that car from the manufacturer , a modified leased vehicle is a really really bad idea. Tell him to light his money on fire - it might bring more entertainment (possibly even less headaches) than modiFRYing a leased car/truck.

 

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« Reply #20819 on: September 05, 2018, 09:29:15 AM »
A young co-worker of mine was telling us about all the car Blighty he's planning on doing. To a leased car.

I hope he's looked over the lease carefully. He may end owing a significant amount when he turns it in if he's made 
modifications. But then again....it's only money.

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« Reply #20820 on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:11 AM »
I should tell my boyfriend this ... He has been nagging for a long time that we need a bigger screen.
Just tell him, "You're not the only one who'd like something bigger." It doesn't have to be true, it should keep him quiet for a bit.

I don't know how my guy does it (he does it all the time) but he just came home with a free, barely used TV. 44 inch, bigger than we'd hoped, value €700 new. Every now and then it suddenly turns itself off. The previous owner got a free replacement because it was faulty and didn't have to return this one. Since he's pretty good at fixing electronics (it's his work) I'm sure he'll figure out a way to fix this. The previous owner wasn't able to turn it on at all and he's already got it to the point where it just turns off every now and then. He thinks he might have to replace a part. We also might have to rearrange all the furniture to house this clown TV.

So, my boyfriend told a coworker the above story, and told him all the specs of the TV.

Coworker's first reply: I didn't know they made TV's like that in such a small size!

I know for a fact that coworker spent a month's worth of wages on a TV last year. Coworker makes around 25-30k before taxes.

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« Reply #20821 on: September 06, 2018, 09:13:49 AM »
Heck yeah they make really small flat panel TVs - let me show you the one I carry around in my pocket. Its ~5.5"... It does all the streaming services, all the video files via VLC and FM radio.

If I sit on my couch and hold it up in front of my face it is the same size as the 42" TV across the room more or less. ;)

Big TVs are nice and everything but I really want to retire someday. 

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« Reply #20822 on: September 07, 2018, 09:03:50 AM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

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« Reply #20823 on: September 07, 2018, 09:32:29 AM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

If it's not a huge priority and you can save the money, great. But just fyi, a good TV won't cost you near that much. ~46" might cost 300-500? If you spend much time watching TV you should also take electric use into consideration. By "heavy kind" I'm assuming CRT? A CRT of that size might use 300W while an LED would be closer to 100W. Very rough estimations there, but worth looking into.

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« Reply #20824 on: September 07, 2018, 11:10:33 AM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

If it's not a huge priority and you can save the money, great. But just fyi, a good TV won't cost you near that much. ~46" might cost 300-500? If you spend much time watching TV you should also take electric use into consideration. By "heavy kind" I'm assuming CRT? A CRT of that size might use 300W while an LED would be closer to 100W. Very rough estimations there, but worth looking into.
Ours is a 1080p 43" Sharp with a built-in Roku. It was $229 19 months ago and is all we could ever want.  Might have to plug in a newer streaming box in a year or two if the built in stuff gets unsupported and crappy, but for now it's great.

It's rated at 88W when on which puts it at around $6/year in electricity estimating high (2h/day) use.

TVs have gotten SO much cheaper and better than they were 10-15 years ago.

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« Reply #20825 on: September 07, 2018, 11:31:06 AM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

If it's not a huge priority and you can save the money, great. But just fyi, a good TV won't cost you near that much. ~46" might cost 300-500? If you spend much time watching TV you should also take electric use into consideration. By "heavy kind" I'm assuming CRT? A CRT of that size might use 300W while an LED would be closer to 100W. Very rough estimations there, but worth looking into.

Bought a 37" LCD HDTV in 2007 from side-gig earnings for $750. Average power consumption 210W.
Replaced it in late 2017 with a 55" 4K UHD Roku TV for $650. Average power consumption 64W.
Old TV went to charity.
New TVs are cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate, and larger.
Add a pi-hole to your home network and you won't see adverts in the TV interface.

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« Reply #20826 on: September 07, 2018, 11:40:47 AM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

If it's not a huge priority and you can save the money, great. But just fyi, a good TV won't cost you near that much. ~46" might cost 300-500? If you spend much time watching TV you should also take electric use into consideration. By "heavy kind" I'm assuming CRT? A CRT of that size might use 300W while an LED would be closer to 100W. Very rough estimations there, but worth looking into.
Ours is a 1080p 43" Sharp with a built-in Roku. It was $229 19 months ago and is all we could ever want.  Might have to plug in a newer streaming box in a year or two if the built in stuff gets unsupported and crappy, but for now it's great.

It's rated at 88W when on which puts it at around $6/year in electricity estimating high (2h/day) use.

TVs have gotten SO much cheaper and better than they were 10-15 years ago.
One would hope that the Roku-branded TVs would have better/longer-term support than your average home-grown "smart TV" interface. Or at least this one hopes so, since I bought a TCL Roku TV a couple of years ago :)

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« Reply #20827 on: September 07, 2018, 12:48:25 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

I bought a compater monitor for $100 with built in speakers 3 years ago. Otherwise the last time I bought a TV was when I was young and dumb nearly a decade ago 40", that I sold for $250 when I moved 7 years ago. And before that...never.

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« Reply #20828 on: September 07, 2018, 12:56:54 PM »
Every year for the past several years, my wife and I plan to put about $1000 into our budget for a new TV. But we can never pull the trigger on buying a new one. Ours is a 46 inch but it's the old heavy kind. We bought it used 8 years ago for a couple hundred bucks. The TV kinda sucks but we always end up putting the money towards something else instead. It's just not a huge priority for us.

If it's not a huge priority and you can save the money, great. But just fyi, a good TV won't cost you near that much. ~46" might cost 300-500? If you spend much time watching TV you should also take electric use into consideration. By "heavy kind" I'm assuming CRT? A CRT of that size might use 300W while an LED would be closer to 100W. Very rough estimations there, but worth looking into.
Ours is a 1080p 43" Sharp with a built-in Roku. It was $229 19 months ago and is all we could ever want.  Might have to plug in a newer streaming box in a year or two if the built in stuff gets unsupported and crappy, but for now it's great.

It's rated at 88W when on which puts it at around $6/year in electricity estimating high (2h/day) use.

TVs have gotten SO much cheaper and better than they were 10-15 years ago.
One would hope that the Roku-branded TVs would have better/longer-term support than your average home-grown "smart TV" interface. Or at least this one hopes so, since I bought a TCL Roku TV a couple of years ago :)
That was my view on it too.  Hopefully it pans out.  If not, plugging in a Roku-style box in two years is hardly the end of the world.  Before this we just watched stuff on a 24" computer monitor.

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« Reply #20829 on: September 07, 2018, 01:12:34 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

Eh, I don't own a TV, but if I ever buy one again, it'll be larger, and ideally I'll be able to set up surround sound.  I like immersion with my movies *shrug*.  Like the dos equis guy would say, 'I don't always watch TV, but when I do, I don't half-ass it'.  :-)

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« Reply #20830 on: September 07, 2018, 02:23:03 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

I bought a compater monitor for $100 with built in speakers 3 years ago. Otherwise the last time I bought a TV was when I was young and dumb nearly a decade ago 40", that I sold for $250 when I moved 7 years ago. And before that...never.

Why?
Mustachianism is about being conscious where you spend your money. Not spending any at all.

If everyone is buying a large TVs for every room, with delivery dinners, after driving home from work in their gigantic luxury truck, while having seen every new release in a theater (with movie snacks!) then I see some cognitive dissonance.

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« Reply #20831 on: September 07, 2018, 02:43:51 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

I bought a compater monitor for $100 with built in speakers 3 years ago. Otherwise the last time I bought a TV was when I was young and dumb nearly a decade ago 40", that I sold for $250 when I moved 7 years ago. And before that...never.

Why?
Mustachianism is about being conscious where you spend your money. Not spending any at all.

If everyone is buying a large TVs for every room, with delivery dinners, after driving home from work in their gigantic luxury truck, while having seen every new release in a theater (with movie snacks!) then I see some cognitive dissonance.

Also, I haven’t seen any “huge” TVs mentioned in this thread.  Like 40-something inches is the smallest that you’ll find commonly these days.  I saw an 80-90 inch tv the other day and yes that was ridiculous.  I don’t agreee with getting the absolute largest you can afford, but there’s nothing wrong with large screens if appropriate for the room

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20832 on: September 07, 2018, 05:01:44 PM »
40" is huge to me.

I come to this site to aspire to great Frugality while working towards a version I'm comfortable with. I surprised to see some of these posts, because these conversations look like the same ones held on YNAB where anything is okay so long as you budget for it.

I don't want to make it easier in anyway to watch TV. Different strokes and all that, you guys do you. I can still say this is not what I expect from the site.

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« Reply #20833 on: September 07, 2018, 05:40:08 PM »
Well here in Australia there are plenty of 24" TVs for sale for about $200. That's about 10 hours' work at our minimum wage. This assumes you're buying new, of course.

So it's not like there aren't choices. Nobody's holding a gun to anyone's head and making them spend a month's wages on a TV.

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« Reply #20834 on: September 07, 2018, 06:18:06 PM »
40" is huge to me.

I come to this site to aspire to great Frugality while working towards a version I'm comfortable with. I surprised to see some of these posts, because these conversations look like the same ones held on YNAB where anything is okay so long as you budget for it.

I don't want to make it easier in anyway to watch TV. Different strokes and all that, you guys do you. I can still say this is not what I expect from the site.

MMM was never about extreme frugality. He was about maximizing the performance of his money.

I have a 55" TV. That's nearly my height (well, diagonally). I'm OK with it.

I also don't "budget" for anything. I just have money. It either gets spent or doesn't.  Most of it doesn't- that's my goal.

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« Reply #20835 on: September 07, 2018, 07:51:52 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

I bought a computer monitor for $100 with built in speakers 3 years ago. Otherwise the last time I bought a TV was when I was young and dumb nearly a decade ago 40", that I sold for $250 when I moved 7 years ago. And before that...never.

Why?
Mustachianism is about being conscious where you spend your money. Not spending any at all.

If everyone is buying a large TVs for every room, with delivery dinners, after driving home from work in their gigantic luxury truck, while having seen every new release in a theater (with movie snacks!) then I see some cognitive dissonance.

Sorry I disagree here. I doubt MMM watches any TV at all. TV is about as anti MMM as you can get. You sit on your arse slowly getting fatter, being fed your entertainment while your brain cells die horrible painful deaths absorbing commercials or product placements, subconsciously driving you towards paying for more shit that you don't need.

Not saying I don't watch any TV (mostly news and sport), but I recognise that makes me a bit unmustachian.

Coming here saying "I bought a TV and its kosher because I'm consciously deciding to spend money on it" is not MMM. That's simply basic budgeting for your circumstances.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20836 on: September 07, 2018, 08:06:48 PM »
Well here in Australia there are plenty of 24" TVs for sale for about $200. That's about 10 hours' work at our minimum wage. This assumes you're buying new, of course.

So it's not like there aren't choices. Nobody's holding a gun to anyone's head and making them spend a month's wages on a TV.

Australia min wage is $20/hour? O.o

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20837 on: September 07, 2018, 09:52:23 PM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

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« Reply #20838 on: September 07, 2018, 10:36:57 PM »
Well here in Australia there are plenty of 24" TVs for sale for about $200. That's about 10 hours' work at our minimum wage. This assumes you're buying new, of course.

So it's not like there aren't choices. Nobody's holding a gun to anyone's head and making them spend a month's wages on a TV.

Australia min wage is $20/hour? O.o

That's not as much as it sounds, though. The cost of housing is bonkers in most of the capital cities, and everything else costs more than in the States (yay Australia tax).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20839 on: September 08, 2018, 12:02:00 AM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

I see TV rather differently from a portable  telecommunication device I use primarily for self education and connecting to live people.

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« Reply #20840 on: September 08, 2018, 12:10:56 AM »
The cost of housing has risen because the cost of everything else has dropped, and household incomes have risen.

The Kangaroo Route, Sydney-London QANTAS flights, in 1947 took 78 hours and cost £585, when the minimum wage was about £10 a week. Now you can do that flight in less than a day and you can get it for $1,100 vs the minimum weekly wage of $700. So we've gone from more than a year's wage to a bit over a week's wage.

In 1977 the average male weekly wage was about $150, and a 24" TV cost $780. Now it's $1,600 (minimum $700) and $200. So we've gone from 6 weeks' wages to a day for a tv.

A roast chicken was $1.80, now it's $8; so minimum wage has gone up 5 times, average wage 10 times, and chicken 4 times. From an hour's work for a chicken to half an hour. It's a similar picture with other foods. So we're spending less on most necessities.

In 1966 we had under 90,000 university students nationally, compared to under 12 million people. Now we have 1.3 million students and 25 million people. So we've twice as many people but thirteen times as many university students. This also explains why the median wage is now more than twice the minimum wage, rather than 50% more. We're earning more as individuals.

In 1976 a bit under 30% of households were couples without children, and a bit under 50% couples with dependent children; now it's a bit under 40% and 40%. So that's 10% of households with less expenses. Guess what, more dual-income-no-kids professional couples pushes housing prices up.

In the early 1980s just over 40% of women with dependent children did paid work, now 65% of them do. So that's 25% of households with dependent children that can now have a higher income than they would have in the early 1980s. Even single mother families (who will struggle with balancing childcare and timing etc) have basically had the proportion of women doing paid work double in 40 years.


As well, in 1984 the average new home was 160m2 and 30 years later it was 240m2, with the average household size going from 3.0 to 2.5 in the same time. Homes are 50% larger in absolute terms, and doubled in size per person (about 50 to about 100m2 per person).

People are better-educated and thus earning more, more people are employed, more households have two income earners, and most goods and services are proportionally cheaper than they were a generation ago. So people have more cash to spend on housing to outbid others - and they want bigger places. And that's a large part of the reason for the increase in cost of housing: lots of people can afford it, and they want more.

Now, obviously people on minimum wage can rent but not buy housing, and people on pensions of various kinds struggle to even rent housing. But if you have a permanent full-time job in Australia on anything more than minimum wage, you are not really in a position to complain. Of course, the middle class like to complain, but that's another story.
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« Reply #20841 on: September 09, 2018, 01:25:49 AM »
Sorry I disagree here. I doubt MMM watches any TV at all. TV is about as anti MMM as you can get. You sit on your arse slowly getting fatter, being fed your entertainment while your brain cells die horrible painful deaths absorbing commercials or product placements, subconsciously driving you towards paying for more shit that you don't need.

Not saying I don't watch any TV (mostly news and sport), but I recognise that makes me a bit unmustachian.

Coming here saying "I bought a TV and its kosher because I'm consciously deciding to spend money on it" is not MMM. That's simply basic budgeting for your circumstances.

I think MMM once wrote he didn't watch "normal" TV for month and only sometimes uses netflix.

I only watch "normal" (aka private) TV once a week or so, but state ones far more often (documentations). All in all 4 days a week?
Of course I also play computer games, which are an even greater time waste ;)

Yes, it is about concious choices. What is the best for you, not necessarily the cheapest option. And yes, that can even include butt-sitting mindless consuming once in a while.
If nothing else it tells you how f**** **** most people are who do this every day for several hours  "to relax from my stressy job".

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« Reply #20842 on: September 09, 2018, 07:04:29 PM »
Prelude: I'm in a somewhat specialized field and am regularly approached by headhunters and acquaintances in other companies to consider jumping ship.

Had this conversation at an industry dinner recently...

Acquaintance: Hey Fin5! I haven't seen you in forever!   
[This is true. I hate these schmooze-fests and only went this time because the food menu looked interesting and it was free]
Acquaintance: Are you still at BigCorp?
Me: Yes.
Acquaintance: Hey, you know, any time you want to consider leaving, just give me a shout. You know, you'll be doing the same thing that you're doing now, have plenty of freedom, but you'll be getting more pay.
Me: [smile, hoping I sound politely interested] Oh really? Okay.
Acquaintance: Yeah, I'm trying to really jazz up the group. I got a fashion director from Gucci to come and furnish our offices, so you know, [fakely modest] it will be a bit more comfortable than where you're at right now. I'm really working hard to make it more relevant to our customers and more up to date.
Me: [inane appropriate comment that I can't remember now]
Acquaintance: So yeah, I really think you should consider this opportunity.
Me: Okay, thanks. It would be full time, right?
Acquaintance: Yeah, just like your current job...you're currently full time, right?
Me: [non-committally] Yeah. Sure. Thanks.

I found it amusing that she thought the biggest selling points were:

1. That I would be working full-time, which in my industry means 50-60 hours per week, including weekends.
2. That I would be impressed by designer offices because that's the best way to spend company money.
3. That more money and prestige is what I am striving for.

Oh, and the food was only mediocre. I did get to connect with another acquaintance who is older and already retired and just doing consulting for fun, so that was nice. Other than that, the entire evening was spent listening to people surreptitiously toot their own horn, talk about how busy and special they were, and compare on-going projects. Very tiresome stuff.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20843 on: September 10, 2018, 12:46:58 AM »
Other than that, the entire evening was spent listening to people surreptitiously toot their own horn, talk about how busy and special they were, and compare on-going projects. Very tiresome stuff.

That is only because you had the wrong look on it. Put on your sociologist' goggles!

Look at this interesting bunhc of homo sapiens! How they all try to get to the top of the group's pecking order! And here, nice example of virtue signalling!
Hm.. okay, maybe still tiring, but a lot more fun!

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« Reply #20844 on: September 10, 2018, 06:45:23 AM »
My company if forcing us, under the age of 53, to go over in another pension fund. We are currently in the government fund with a guaranteed payout for the rest of life, but will next year get a fund that we need to build up ourselves with a payout of we we put in. It came as a surprise for us that we wouldn't have a choice. We will get individual advise somewhere during next year.

I came to talk about this with my supervisor during lunch. She mentioned that she hadn't saved any other form of pension, beside the standard one. She was really nervous about what the change would bring. She said she had read that paying down your mortgage was the best investment you could make. I confirmed that it was a very safe investment, but that it was a much better investment when the interest was at 8%, like it was 15 years ago when I still had a mortgage. Now the interest is at 2,5%. I don't think she is paying down her mortgage faster than the standard payment each month.
I tried to comfort her a bit by saying that when her children have grown up, they will have a lot of money left, compared to what she spends today. This is the most expensive period in her life. She mentioned that she had started to put money in a stock fund. That was the amount she had earlier paid for after-school childcare. I asked if she had put it in a low cost index fund, but she didn't know that. Her husband works at a bank, so let's hope he has seen the light.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20845 on: September 10, 2018, 03:07:32 PM »
Dissonance that so many fellow mustachians are buying huge TVs....

I bought a compater monitor for $100 with built in speakers 3 years ago. Otherwise the last time I bought a TV was when I was young and dumb nearly a decade ago 40", that I sold for $250 when I moved 7 years ago. And before that...never.
What is huge?

I was going to get my husband a good sized flat screen 9 years ago for father's day.  Then, one of our cars was totaled in an accident.  Back then, the TV was about $3000 from Costco.  In June, coworkers asked me about the TV.  I said "uh, we got a new car in March.  No TV."  Kept on with the old big CRT TV.  I don't remember how long we waited before replacing it, but it was when the cost for a 37" had come down to less than $800.  Basically, the old TV couldn't hook up to many things.

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I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

That was my thought too.  Honestly, I don't really give a crap if MMM watches TV or not.  Like anything, yes you can have too much of a good/bad thing.

TV taught me how to cook.  Saturday mornings back when the food network showed cooking shows.
TV is how I do some of my workouts - most of them when my husband is traveling.  I get to watch Tony, or Autumn, or Vytas show me how to lift, squat, or do yoga.  And I get to do it  on a screen that my 48-year old eyes can see, in a space that's large enough for me to do it (in other words, not trying to stare at a computer screen).
TV allows a weekly snuggle-fest on movie night.

We got rid of cable years ago.  That doesn't mean I don't enjoy documentaries, movies, odd British TV shows and cooking shows from time to time.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #20846 on: September 10, 2018, 03:33:23 PM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

What about those of us who are blind?

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« Reply #20847 on: September 10, 2018, 10:02:10 PM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

What about those of us who are blind?
You got me there. Do those folks get a “get out of jail free” card?

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« Reply #20848 on: September 10, 2018, 10:08:31 PM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

What about those of us who are blind?
You got me there. Do those folks get a “get out of jail free” card?
Ever notice how there are never any blind criminals in the news?

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« Reply #20849 on: September 10, 2018, 10:37:19 PM »
I find this discussion about the evils of television is musing considering we are having that conversation via us all staring at our screens, small or otherwise.

What about those of us who are blind?
You got me there. Do those folks get a “get out of jail free” card?
Ever notice how there are never any blind criminals in the news?

Ever notice how liberals only believe in free speech when
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