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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4850 on: August 01, 2016, 06:58:31 AM »
I dunno, I'm not even sure where to shop for a S&D water heater; last one I bought was off the shelf at Home Depot.

I use openboxdirect.com for any appliances for my rentals. Sometimes they come pretty dinged up, but if they're metal you can usually disassemble them and straighten them out and then reassemble.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4851 on: August 01, 2016, 11:50:27 AM »
Mustachian/ not mustachian.  My college buddies just bought a new Mazda CX-9, pics on facebook.  They replaced their 1999 Accord, so I really can't give them a lot of crap.  I'm impressed!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4852 on: August 01, 2016, 12:05:02 PM »
Mustachian/ not mustachian.  My college buddies just bought a new Mazda CX-9, pics on facebook.  They replaced their 1999 Accord, so I really can't give them a lot of crap.  I'm impressed!

My grandfather did something similar, though his was a 1983 Volvo that he got rid of in 2008 for an Audi A6.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4853 on: August 01, 2016, 12:13:09 PM »
Mustachian/ not mustachian.  My college buddies just bought a new Mazda CX-9, pics on facebook.  They replaced their 1999 Accord, so I really can't give them a lot of crap.  I'm impressed!

My grandfather did something similar, though his was a 1983 Volvo that he got rid of in 2008 for an Audi A6.
Did he have a Turbo Brick? Bet that A6 won't last 25 years.
(I'm looking for a local decent condition 200 series, doesn't matter if it is coupe, sedan or wagon.)

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4854 on: August 01, 2016, 12:14:47 PM »
One more from FB for you:

A guy is posting asking people's advise where to find attorney to go back to small dealership where he purchased a car 3 month ago for..30,000 USD! The car is broken now. It needs... a new engine. So far they paid off 12K. Repair costs $8,700.

Turned out the car had structural damage and was repaired using low level technique or something so that insurance will not pay for anything.

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4855 on: August 01, 2016, 01:52:38 PM »
Mustachian/ not mustachian.  My college buddies just bought a new Mazda CX-9, pics on facebook.  They replaced their 1999 Accord, so I really can't give them a lot of crap.  I'm impressed!

My grandfather did something similar, though his was a 1983 Volvo that he got rid of in 2008 for an Audi A6.
Did he have a Turbo Brick? Bet that A6 won't last 25 years.
(I'm looking for a local decent condition 200 series, doesn't matter if it is coupe, sedan or wagon.)

Yep. Volvo 200 series turbo. He put like 500k miles on that thing. Being in his mid 80s, I don't think the A6 needs to be as awesome as that Volvo.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4856 on: August 01, 2016, 02:18:55 PM »
One more from FB for you:

A guy is posting asking people's advise where to find attorney to go back to small dealership where he purchased a car 3 month ago for..30,000 USD! The car is broken now. It needs... a new engine. So far they paid off 12K. Repair costs $8,700.

Turned out the car had structural damage and was repaired using low level technique or something so that insurance will not pay for anything.

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

Plenty of people, depending on what it is.  Hell, plenty of MMMers think you should do so if you want, say, a Mercedes S-class.  But plenty of people buy used sports cars and the like for $30k, because they were usually babied and rarely driven so they can be a bargain.  Clearly not this one though.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4857 on: August 01, 2016, 08:21:01 PM »
Today we said goodbye to our Jeep and hello to our new Yukon!!
She carried our family safely over 40k miles in 2 years.
Thank you baby for my new car!!

Insert image of brand new 2014 Jeep Cherokee because it just wasn't big enough.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4858 on: August 01, 2016, 08:28:47 PM »
Today we said goodbye to our Jeep and hello to our new Yukon!!
She carried our family safely over 40k miles in 2 years.
Thank you baby for my new car!!

Insert image of brand new 2014 Jeep Cherokee because it just wasn't big enough.

Is the takeaway to have a baby, who will gift you a big car?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4859 on: August 01, 2016, 09:28:24 PM »
Today we said goodbye to our Jeep and hello to our new Yukon!!
She carried our family safely over 40k miles in 2 years.
Thank you baby for my new car!!

Insert image of brand new 2014 Jeep Cherokee because it just wasn't big enough.

Is the takeaway to have a baby, who will gift you a big car?

:P

Yeah, that just seems odd...., perhaps it's their justification for such a large purchase?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4860 on: August 02, 2016, 12:27:41 AM »
I read it that 'baby' was a pet name for a partner. Please report back if infants are now purchasing cars. Although with the number of infant based YouTube videos out there maybe the infant is the primary earner?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4861 on: August 02, 2016, 03:58:53 AM »
I read it that 'baby' was a pet name for a partner. Please report back if infants are now purchasing cars. Although with the number of infant based YouTube videos out there maybe the infant is the primary earner?

You haven't heard? It's the new Gerber Life 30 year car loan!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4862 on: August 02, 2016, 06:01:09 AM »
An acquaintance posted a picture of a big new Ford Escape SUV. Lots and lots of congratulatory comments along the lines of "Welcome to the Escape family!" and "Oh they are the best, you will love it!"

I knew I had a small car both by military family and mom car standards, but I didn't realize so many people drove this particular model.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4863 on: August 02, 2016, 06:34:57 AM »
An acquaintance posted a picture of a big new Ford Escape SUV. Lots and lots of congratulatory comments along the lines of "Welcome to the Escape family!" and "Oh they are the best, you will love it!"

I knew I had a small car both by military family and mom car standards, but I didn't realize so many people drove this particular model.

10th best selling car/vehicle in the US in June:



Also, LOL at a "big" new Escape.  It's 178" long.  A Honda Accord is 189" long.  A Civic is 176.9" long.  An Escape is taller and boxy, but not a "big" car by any stretch.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4864 on: August 02, 2016, 12:00:14 PM »
An acquaintance posted a picture of a big new Ford Escape SUV. Lots and lots of congratulatory comments along the lines of "Welcome to the Escape family!" and "Oh they are the best, you will love it!"

I knew I had a small car both by military family and mom car standards, but I didn't realize so many people drove this particular model.

10th best selling car/vehicle in the US in June:



Also, LOL at a "big" new Escape.  It's 178" long.  A Honda Accord is 189" long.  A Civic is 176.9" long.  An Escape is taller and boxy, but not a "big" car by any stretch.

Interesting! I'm not a car person, can you tell?

Edit: Went back and checked, as it had looked like a big car. It was an Explorer.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2016, 12:05:07 PM by frooglepoodle »

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4865 on: August 02, 2016, 02:50:22 PM »
I dunno, I'm not even sure where to shop for a S&D water heater; last one I bought was off the shelf at Home Depot.

I use openboxdirect.com for any appliances for my rentals. Sometimes they come pretty dinged up, but if they're metal you can usually disassemble them and straighten them out and then reassemble.

Thanks for the tip, I'll pass this on to someone I know!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4866 on: August 02, 2016, 04:28:43 PM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4867 on: August 02, 2016, 06:25:15 PM »
Posted by a very sweet former co-worker who got fired, had to sell her home, and is now running an MLM "business."

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4868 on: August 03, 2016, 05:19:52 AM »
there are people in this forum who have the math worked out to know how much they need to save to have 11 minutes of freedom, each year, forever.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4869 on: August 03, 2016, 06:29:08 AM »
there are people in this forum who have the math worked out to know how much they need to save to have 11 minutes of freedom, each year, forever.

For someone spending 30k a year working 40 hours a week for 50 weeks a year:

  • $30000 * 11 / (40x60x50) * 25 = $68.75

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4870 on: August 03, 2016, 06:41:06 AM »
Thank you, Ender. :D

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4871 on: August 03, 2016, 07:18:11 AM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

I've gotten pretty tired of people wrapping everything in God and while refusing to demonstrate some personal wisdom in life.

If you are going to be thoughtful about your spirituality, why not also be thoughtful about your health or your spending or your future?

Its like God isn't the creator, etc but God is a brand and an excuse. 

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4872 on: August 03, 2016, 08:01:49 AM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

I've gotten pretty tired of people wrapping everything in God and while refusing to demonstrate some personal wisdom in life.

If you are going to be thoughtful about your spirituality, why not also be thoughtful about your health or your spending or your future?

Its like God isn't the creator, etc but God is a brand and an excuse.

It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4873 on: August 03, 2016, 08:35:09 AM »
It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

I don't know, some devote followers of certain religions stop whatever they are doing, including sleeping, to pray several times during the day, every single day. While it's not maybe the same as exercising or following a budget, it still takes dedication that many people don't possess.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4874 on: August 03, 2016, 08:59:04 AM »
It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

Post of the year right here

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4875 on: August 03, 2016, 09:01:22 AM »
It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

I don't know, some devote followers of certain religions stop whatever they are doing, including sleeping, to pray several times during the day, every single day. While it's not maybe the same as exercising or following a budget, it still takes dedication that many people don't possess.

Every major world religion contains emphasis on personal responsibility and sometimes civic responsibility as well as different forms of outward expression. My beef is with the way it's become socially acceptable to ditch the personal responsibility part, overemphasize the outward expression part, and act as though we expect to get the same results.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4876 on: August 03, 2016, 12:42:03 PM »
It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

I don't know, some devote followers of certain religions stop whatever they are doing, including sleeping, to pray several times during the day, every single day. While it's not maybe the same as exercising or following a budget, it still takes dedication that many people don't possess.

Every major world religion contains emphasis on personal responsibility and sometimes civic responsibility as well as different forms of outward expression. My beef is with the way it's become socially acceptable to ditch the personal responsibility part, overemphasize the outward expression part, and act as though we expect to get the same results.

I feel to a certain degree, that's a modern media narrative/stereotype. There are a lot of religious people in this(USA) country and a large swath of them do practice what they preach. But like any stereotype the ones who fit it, stand out and perpetuate it.


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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4877 on: August 03, 2016, 07:19:54 PM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

I've gotten pretty tired of people wrapping everything in God and while refusing to demonstrate some personal wisdom in life.

If you are going to be thoughtful about your spirituality, why not also be thoughtful about your health or your spending or your future?

Its like God isn't the creator, etc but God is a brand and an excuse.

What those people need is some good Bible'ing. Among many financial tidbits, the good book says to be an astute financial steward and it suggests to avoid debt, surety, and high leveraging. I don't believe I've met any "Spend all I want, the Lord will provide" people but if I did, I'd probably try to tell the brother or sister to rethink their position. Maybe I'd slip in a quote from Song of Solomon. Catch them off guard with that one.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4878 on: August 04, 2016, 04:50:21 AM »
What those people need is some good Bible'ing. Among many financial tidbits, the good book says to be an astute financial steward and it suggests to avoid debt, surety, and high leveraging.

To be fair, that text was written in a different interest rate environment than we are in currently.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4879 on: August 04, 2016, 07:18:15 AM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

I've gotten pretty tired of people wrapping everything in God and while refusing to demonstrate some personal wisdom in life.

If you are going to be thoughtful about your spirituality, why not also be thoughtful about your health or your spending or your future?

Its like God isn't the creator, etc but God is a brand and an excuse.

What those people need is some good Bible'ing. Among many financial tidbits, the good book says to be an astute financial steward and it suggests to avoid debt, surety, and high leveraging. I don't believe I've met any "Spend all I want, the Lord will provide" people but if I did, I'd probably try to tell the brother or sister to rethink their position. Maybe I'd slip in a quote from Song of Solomon. Catch them off guard with that one.

Can I borrow you?  And can you time travel?  I really want you to talk to my cousin in fall of 2014.  She was divorcing her husband and leaving a part time job to get away from him, and moving in with us for the transition while job and apartment hunting.  She had $800 to her name, so I figured it would take a few months for her to find a job and get enough cash to get back on her feet.  Cue 4 months later and 2 job interviews where she either thought it was too boring or told them she wanted to be doing something completely unrelated in 5 years, so surprise they didn't hire her.  Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week.  Meanwhile, she quit attending church and gave up all other big tenants of personal responsibility.  Gahhhhh.  We kicked her out to go live with a different family member after 4 months, I just couldn't take it.  I REALLY WISHED that I knew Bible quotes to give her at the time.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4880 on: August 04, 2016, 07:29:00 AM »

Cue 4 months later and 2 job interviews where she either thought it was too boring or told them she wanted to be doing something completely unrelated in 5 years, so surprise they didn't hire her.  Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week. 
Reminds me of an old joke.
[Disclaimer: I have no clue what that website is. But it was my first hit when I googled for that joke.]

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4881 on: August 04, 2016, 07:33:28 AM »

Cue 4 months later and 2 job interviews where she either thought it was too boring or told them she wanted to be doing something completely unrelated in 5 years, so surprise they didn't hire her.  Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week. 
Reminds me of an old joke.
[Disclaimer: I have no clue what that website is. But it was my first hit when I googled for that joke.]

Haha, I love that joke.

Some people truly do seem to get the short end of the stick in life, but most of us have been given all sorts of options and ways out of our situation.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4882 on: August 04, 2016, 07:54:12 AM »
Saw this posted on my fb today.

"God never gives you a dream that matches your budget. He's not checking your bank account, he's checking your faith. ✨"

Because everyone knows we should spend all that we want since the good Lord will provide.

I've gotten pretty tired of people wrapping everything in God and while refusing to demonstrate some personal wisdom in life.

If you are going to be thoughtful about your spirituality, why not also be thoughtful about your health or your spending or your future?

Its like God isn't the creator, etc but God is a brand and an excuse.

What those people need is some good Bible'ing. Among many financial tidbits, the good book says to be an astute financial steward and it suggests to avoid debt, surety, and high leveraging. I don't believe I've met any "Spend all I want, the Lord will provide" people but if I did, I'd probably try to tell the brother or sister to rethink their position. Maybe I'd slip in a quote from Song of Solomon. Catch them off guard with that one.


 Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week. 


"Well, Dad, it looks like we're God now..."

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4883 on: August 04, 2016, 07:55:22 AM »
  I REALLY WISHED that I knew Bible quotes to give her at the time.[/quote]

I think "Physician heal thyself" would have been a good one.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4884 on: August 04, 2016, 07:56:29 AM »

Cue 4 months later and 2 job interviews where she either thought it was too boring or told them she wanted to be doing something completely unrelated in 5 years, so surprise they didn't hire her.  Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week. 
Reminds me of an old joke.
[Disclaimer: I have no clue what that website is. But it was my first hit when I googled for that joke.]

Reminds me of a friend who had to take a test for a county job.  They took the practice test and scored under the minimum acceptable score. 

They had the study guide for a month and could take the practice test as many times as they wanted.  They didn't study and never took the practice test again. 

When the actual test date arrived, guess what....they failed!  with the exact same score as when they took the first practice test.  On their facebook page, they lamented how upset because they were still unemployed but clearly god didn't want them to have this job and they trusted in his path for them. 

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4885 on: August 04, 2016, 08:23:10 AM »

Cue 4 months later and 2 job interviews where she either thought it was too boring or told them she wanted to be doing something completely unrelated in 5 years, so surprise they didn't hire her.  Lawyer fees ate up her money, she bought cheap new dresses and went to wine festivals while my dad watched her son, and she refused to take just any old job all because she "deserved" it.  "God didn't put me here to do minimum wage work and never see my son."  Which fine, yes, that sucks, but it will get money in the door. I think she said "God will provide" at least 4 times a week. 
Reminds me of an old joke.
[Disclaimer: I have no clue what that website is. But it was my first hit when I googled for that joke.]

Reminds me too of this:


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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4886 on: August 04, 2016, 08:37:57 AM »
  I REALLY WISHED that I knew Bible quotes to give her at the time.

I think "Physician heal thyself" would have been a good one.
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That is a bit too atomized. Verses or chapters are better examples. If I may make this anti-semitic joke: Jesus was a Jew. The bible is filled with sections about money as a result.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4887 on: August 04, 2016, 10:56:51 AM »
  I REALLY WISHED that I knew Bible quotes to give her at the time.
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I think "Physician heal thyself" would have been a good one.

That is a bit too atomized. Verses or chapters are better examples. If I may make this anti-semitic joke: Jesus was a Jew. The bible is filled with sections about money as a result.

It's not anti-Semitic to note that the Old Testament is basically the Torah, which is a set of vital scriptures identified by the earliest Jews as containing all of their most important knowledge. That knowledge did include maxims about business and money management because those activities were vital to the survival of the community and the people in it.

A lot of factors combined to create the association between Judaism and finance.

First, the earliest Hebrew people emphasized literacy to the point of obsession. The bar mitzvah tradition, by which a boy is recognized as a man by the rest of the community, includes public demonstration of his reading skills. This tradition goes back thousands of years, and it produced a community of people who knew how to read in a world where the vast majority of others were illiterate and often innumerate. Work that required record keeping (and the accounting and banking professions definitely do) also required literacy. So there was an automatic skill overlap.

Second, the Jewish tribes didn't integrate well with other cultures. There was never a lot of voluntary intermarriage, and the community was always visibly separate even during times where there was no overt conflict and Jewish people lived harmoniously for generations with people from different communities (which was actually the norm). However the lack of intermarriage made it almost impossible for Jewish families to form ties with, say, the Roman patrician families during the Republic era or with landowning aristocrats during the medieval era. So ownership or control of land, the primary means of production prior to the Industrial Revolution, simply wasn't an option for Jewish families in Western Europe. The skilled trades also weren't much of an option for people who were ineligible for guild membership or who were otherwise unable to get their sons apprenticed. Even knowledge based professions that required admission to a university were sometimes inaccessible. Commerce, however, had no such barrier to entry.

Third, at some point in history every single group of people in the world has been dominated, defeated, enslaved, driven out, or otherwise on the losing end of a conflict with some other group. Being a very visible group that obviously does not integrate with other cultures has, at times, resulted in attack. A lot of Jewish people have had to flee their homes over the last several thousand years. Having a profession where it's possible to stash resources elsewhere, or pick up and move on short notice, has literally saved people's lives.

Now, let's suppose I was in charge of writing down what was important. Suppose I was writing only the most important things: something that would be studied, memorized, copied out, and the first thing grabbed and rescued in case of emergency. Along with the important family lineages and the information about divinity, should I also include the maxims and skills that allow me to provide for my family, and that would allow my children or grandchildren to start over from scratch in a new country, if they had to? I'd like to think that I'd be smart enough to do that, and to provide them with the tools to save themselves.

So, yes, the Torah talks about money and business.

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« Reply #4888 on: August 04, 2016, 11:15:34 AM »
  I REALLY WISHED that I knew Bible quotes to give her at the time.
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I think "Physician heal thyself" would have been a good one.

That is a bit too atomized. Verses or chapters are better examples. If I may make this anti-semitic joke: Jesus was a Jew. The bible is filled with sections about money as a result.

It's not anti-Semitic to note that the Old Testament is basically the Torah, which is a set of vital scriptures identified by the earliest Jews as containing all of their most important knowledge. That knowledge did include maxims about business and money management because those activities were vital to the survival of the community and the people in it.

A lot of factors combined to create the association between Judaism and finance.

First, the earliest Hebrew people emphasized literacy to the point of obsession. The bar mitzvah tradition, by which a boy is recognized as a man by the rest of the community, includes public demonstration of his reading skills. This tradition goes back thousands of years, and it produced a community of people who knew how to read in a world where the vast majority of others were illiterate and often innumerate. Work that required record keeping (and the accounting and banking professions definitely do) also required literacy. So there was an automatic skill overlap.

Second, the Jewish tribes didn't integrate well with other cultures. There was never a lot of voluntary intermarriage, and the community was always visibly separate even during times where there was no overt conflict and Jewish people lived harmoniously for generations with people from different communities (which was actually the norm). However the lack of intermarriage made it almost impossible for Jewish families to form ties with, say, the Roman patrician families during the Republic era or with landowning aristocrats during the medieval era. So ownership or control of land, the primary means of production prior to the Industrial Revolution, simply wasn't an option for Jewish families in Western Europe. The skilled trades also weren't much of an option for people who were ineligible for guild membership or who were otherwise unable to get their sons apprenticed. Even knowledge based professions that required admission to a university were sometimes inaccessible. Commerce, however, had no such barrier to entry.

Third, at some point in history every single group of people in the world has been dominated, defeated, enslaved, driven out, or otherwise on the losing end of a conflict with some other group. Being a very visible group that obviously does not integrate with other cultures has, at times, resulted in attack. A lot of Jewish people have had to flee their homes over the last several thousand years. Having a profession where it's possible to stash resources elsewhere, or pick up and move on short notice, has literally saved people's lives.

Now, let's suppose I was in charge of writing down what was important. Suppose I was writing only the most important things: something that would be studied, memorized, copied out, and the first thing grabbed and rescued in case of emergency. Along with the important family lineages and the information about divinity, should I also include the maxims and skills that allow me to provide for my family, and that would allow my children or grandchildren to start over from scratch in a new country, if they had to? I'd like to think that I'd be smart enough to do that, and to provide them with the tools to save themselves.

So, yes, the Torah talks about money and business.

Nice post.  Bravo.

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« Reply #4889 on: August 04, 2016, 12:05:17 PM »
It's culturally acceptable to treat religion as a legitimate off-switch for the brain. Praying, praising, acts of blind and ill-advised faith, and other kinds of holy rolling are treated as legitimate substitutes for self-examination, discipline, and personal responsibility. It's not a mentality that makes even a fragment of sense to people for whom religion supplements personal accountability. But it's still popular. Maybe it feels good to the people who do it? After all, making mouth noises is probably easier than, say, exercising or following a budget.

I don't know, some devote followers of certain religions stop whatever they are doing, including sleeping, to pray several times during the day, every single day. While it's not maybe the same as exercising or following a budget, it still takes dedication that many people don't possess.

Every major world religion contains emphasis on personal responsibility and sometimes civic responsibility as well as different forms of outward expression. My beef is with the way it's become socially acceptable to ditch the personal responsibility part, overemphasize the outward expression part, and act as though we expect to get the same results.

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« Reply #4890 on: August 04, 2016, 03:19:40 PM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

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« Reply #4891 on: August 05, 2016, 07:45:11 AM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

Did he put flames on it though?

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« Reply #4892 on: August 05, 2016, 08:30:11 AM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

Did he put flames on it though?

Nope.  Flames appeared when it died.

Actually, I have no idea but the thought was funny.

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« Reply #4893 on: August 05, 2016, 09:05:31 PM »
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All this on a thread about stuff people heard on Facebook. This is why I love these forums - smart, interesting people and great conversations!

Imagine how I feel. I make an immature joke about a member of the trinity being a Jew and get back an excellent, thought out response. I was ill-deserving.

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« Reply #4894 on: August 05, 2016, 09:07:39 PM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

I am honestly curious: is that why he is an ex?

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« Reply #4895 on: August 06, 2016, 01:32:43 AM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

I am honestly curious: is that why he is an ex?

Well, he's dead, so that pretty much makes him an ex.

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« Reply #4896 on: August 06, 2016, 05:16:01 AM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

I am honestly curious: is that why he is an ex?

Well, he's dead, so that pretty much makes him an ex.

You may be right. I read that as the truck dying.
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« Reply #4897 on: August 06, 2016, 08:17:57 AM »
Getting super OT here, but if you are married to someone and he dies, that makes him your late husband, not your ex husband (or of course late wife, not ex wife, in reverse).  Of course if he is your ex husband when he dies, he is still your ex.

Aimza  So giving in to curiosity, was he your ex before he died?  Or did the truck die?   Sorry, English can be such an imprecise language.

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« Reply #4898 on: August 06, 2016, 10:02:13 AM »

Sorry, English can be such an imprecise language.

Which is what makes word games so much fun!

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« Reply #4899 on: August 06, 2016, 03:58:23 PM »

Anyway, the guy is in trouble. But I am wondering, who buys used cars for 30K?!

My ex was going to buy a used pick up truck for over 30k just because it had flames on the side of it. I pointed out he could buy a cheaper truck and put flames on himself for way less than half the cost.  He only didn't get the truck because someone else bought it before he could.

He ended up buying a truck for 5k that he didn't get inspected and died one month after purchase.

I am honestly curious: is that why he is an ex?

Well, he's dead, so that pretty much makes him an ex.

You may be right. I read that as the truck dying.

I also read it as truck dying

 

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