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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4200 on: April 19, 2016, 04:26:25 PM »
My fb friendship with a crazy MLMer is the gift that just keeps giving...

"No thanks, I want something stable. A stable, steady paycheck."

Why not work for your paycheck for a company that won't close its doors and definitely won't lay you off? Plus, you not only get a steady paycheck (when you work for it) but you can grow it exponentially.

As I've said before, this isn't a pipe dream. News like this happens what seems like every week. Why not start a conversation with me on your Plan B? This business is made for all people - men, women, young, middle-age, old. People who don't know anything about skin (me before I started) to Estheticians and Dermatologists.

#Letstalk
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Because MLM scams never die? Never get sued into bankruptcy for their business practices? Because pyramid schemes always last forever?

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« Reply #4201 on: April 20, 2016, 12:17:23 PM »
My fb friendship with a crazy MLMer is the gift that just keeps giving...

"No thanks, I want something stable. A stable, steady paycheck."

Why not work for your paycheck for a company that won't close its doors and definitely won't lay you off? Plus, you not only get a steady paycheck (when you work for it) but you can grow it exponentially.

As I've said before, this isn't a pipe dream. News like this happens what seems like every week. Why not start a conversation with me on your Plan B? This business is made for all people - men, women, young, middle-age, old. People who don't know anything about skin (me before I started) to Estheticians and Dermatologists.

#Letstalk
#PlanB
#WhyNotYouWhyNotNow
#WhyWait
#PutYourBestFaceForward


Because MLM scams never die? Never get sued into bankruptcy for their business practices? Because pyramid schemes always last forever?

I wonder if they know what Plan B brings to mind.

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« Reply #4202 on: April 20, 2016, 02:29:53 PM »
I wonder if they know what Plan B brings to mind.
That is literally all I could think of when I read that.

I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Or she knows what it is but doesn't think it's at all a common thought because birth control is abortion and abortion is murder, obviously, so no one who she's friends with could ever be in support of either. Her last share was this thing about how "pro-aborts" were showing how evil they are by eating cookies that are shaped like babies and daring to defend this with "dark and disturbing" statements like "Abortion should remain legal because it's constitutionally protected."

https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/posts/1175314519168323:0

Yeah.

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« Reply #4203 on: April 20, 2016, 03:05:32 PM »
I wonder if they know what Plan B brings to mind.
That is literally all I could think of when I read that.

I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Or she knows what it is but doesn't think it's at all a common thought because birth control is abortion and abortion is murder, obviously, so no one who she's friends with could ever be in support of either. Her last share was this thing about how "pro-aborts" were showing how evil they are by eating cookies that are shaped like babies and daring to defend this with "dark and disturbing" statements like "Abortion should remain legal because it's constitutionally protected."

https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/posts/1175314519168323:0

Yeah.

I'm as pro-choice as you can get, but I do find that display in poor taste. Eating fetus cookies & discussing the "prettiness" of a vagina isn't doing much to further abortion rights IMO.

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« Reply #4204 on: April 20, 2016, 06:29:52 PM »
I wonder if they know what Plan B brings to mind.
That is literally all I could think of when I read that.

I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Or she knows what it is but doesn't think it's at all a common thought because birth control is abortion and abortion is murder, obviously, so no one who she's friends with could ever be in support of either. Her last share was this thing about how "pro-aborts" were showing how evil they are by eating cookies that are shaped like babies and daring to defend this with "dark and disturbing" statements like "Abortion should remain legal because it's constitutionally protected."

https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/posts/1175314519168323:0

Yeah.

I'm as pro-choice as you can get, but I do find that display in poor taste. Eating fetus cookies & discussing the "prettiness" of a vagina isn't doing much to further abortion rights IMO.

I agree, but don't forget the majority of the people participating in a college pro-rights demonstration are 18 years old. I don't know about you, but I was pretty impressionable and easily led at 18 years old. They aren't the people making the difference.

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« Reply #4205 on: April 20, 2016, 08:20:45 PM »
True. I'm just glad I got to say "fetus cookies".

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4206 on: April 21, 2016, 09:05:31 AM »
I guess I don't really see how eating a cookie at a political rally is in poor taste, but eating the same cookie at a baby shower or gender reveal party or whatever would be fine. It's deliberately provocative, granted, but I'm OK with provocation generally speaking. 

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« Reply #4207 on: April 21, 2016, 09:13:08 AM »
I guess I don't really see how eating a cookie at a political rally is in poor taste, but eating the same cookie at a baby shower or gender reveal party or whatever would be fine. It's deliberately provocative, granted, but I'm OK with provocation generally speaking.
If they swapped the salt with the sugar, it would be a pretty poor taste no matter the venue.

What about those gender reveal cakes that are 3-D realistic babies... then you cut into said baby for the reveal? WHY IS THIS OK???

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« Reply #4208 on: April 21, 2016, 09:21:47 AM »
I guess I don't really see how eating a cookie at a political rally is in poor taste, but eating the same cookie at a baby shower or gender reveal party or whatever would be fine. It's deliberately provocative, granted, but I'm OK with provocation generally speaking.

Because one is "murder" and the other is a display of love?

Do the baby shower fetus cookies have colored icing on the inside? 


/Liked to annoy people when I was pregnant and they'd ask when I get to find out the gender by saying "I guess when he is old enough to tell me what it is."   Unfortunately didn't get that far, now make people uncomfortable because black humor is part of the way I deal with the fact that my son was stillborn.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4209 on: April 21, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »
I guess I don't really see how eating a cookie at a political rally is in poor taste, but eating the same cookie at a baby shower or gender reveal party or whatever would be fine. It's deliberately provocative, granted, but I'm OK with provocation generally speaking.

If you see how it's deliberately provocative, then you see how it's in poor taste. Plenty of people are pro-choice as "the least bad alternative" and that kind of display can only make them question that position.

iowajes, I can't imagine how that felt. I'm glad you're able to deal with it in any way, and I'm sure the people around you feel the same way.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4210 on: April 21, 2016, 10:32:32 AM »
What about those gender reveal cakes that are 3-D realistic babies... then you cut into said baby for the reveal? WHY IS THIS OK???

Seems to me that kind of cake would be more appropriate at a "Congrats on your abortion" party. But that's my dark humor.

Semi-related but still foamy, I was talking to a woman who is the guardian for a 96-year-old woman. (We had met maybe 10 minutes before, but she's a friend of my dad's.) She says "It's going to be a lot of work for awhile, unless I put a pillow over her head. Oh, I'm so sorry, that was in bad taste." So obviously I say "Well, now I see why you and my dad get along so well."

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4211 on: April 21, 2016, 10:41:12 AM »
I miss dark humor! I haven't known many people that appreciate it since college.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4212 on: April 21, 2016, 01:42:42 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4213 on: April 21, 2016, 01:51:38 PM »
Eating fetus cookies...

They make those?  Do they have the same benefits as the freeze-dried and capsuled placenta?

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« Reply #4214 on: April 21, 2016, 01:55:23 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4215 on: April 21, 2016, 02:22:20 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.
I mean... still accurate.

+1.  ALso called the morning after pill.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4216 on: April 22, 2016, 09:03:02 AM »
Friend of mine from Seattle who's broke ever since I've known her, and perpetually gripes about rising rent and never having any money: "As soon as monies are stable I'm gonna try Blue Apron"

Me: "Sounds like a novelty for rich people, not us reglar jagoffs. You know I make 10 work lunches and freeze 'em for a buck a piece."

Friend: "..."
Your profile says "northern Alabama" but your use of "jagoffs" suggests an origin point much further north. The rocks dahn the crick might be slippy, and then you could land in a jagge
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Nothing against NorAL, but I'm neither from here nor likely to ever feel completely at home here. If 10 years isn't enough to make me stop feeling out of place whenever I spend more than a week away, I don't think it'll ever happen.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4217 on: April 22, 2016, 11:58:23 AM »
Found this:
"things multiply quickly when you start buying furniture. I first got a dark aqua sectional sofa - had to have a new end table - which all looked so good I bought an awesome original pix to compliment the group - my old tv cabinet looked so shabby & overstock had the perfect one to match eveything - dark & shapely - just couldn't keep my finger off the "order" button - THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT"

This is not something I would call Mustachian...

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4218 on: April 22, 2016, 11:59:30 AM »
Found this:
"things multiply quickly when you start buying furniture. I first got a dark aqua sectional sofa - had to have a new end table - which all looked so good I bought an awesome original pix to compliment the group - my old tv cabinet looked so shabby & overstock had the perfect one to match eveything - dark & shapely - just couldn't keep my finger off the "order" button - THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT"

This is not something I would call Mustachian...

Sounds like a copout for poor impulse control imo

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4219 on: April 22, 2016, 12:19:39 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4220 on: April 22, 2016, 01:17:05 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4221 on: April 22, 2016, 01:45:35 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4222 on: April 22, 2016, 01:47:04 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

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« Reply #4223 on: April 22, 2016, 01:56:17 PM »
Friend on FB, "Pampering myself because it's my birthday."

I wanted to retort, 'because you don't pamper yourself already?" I see weekly posts about her getting something or another done, or going to a really nice restaurant with friends for 'girl's night out,' or other things. Meanwhile she's been out of work for a few months. I haven't seen anything about her needing money so perhaps she's saved from previous work (doubtful going on past history) or her parents are helping her.

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« Reply #4224 on: April 22, 2016, 02:00:34 PM »
Found this:
"things multiply quickly when you start buying furniture. I first got a dark aqua sectional sofa - had to have a new end table - which all looked so good I bought an awesome original pix to compliment the group - my old tv cabinet looked so shabby & overstock had the perfect one to match eveything - dark & shapely - just couldn't keep my finger off the "order" button - THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT"

This is not something I would call Mustachian...

She clearly took the wrong lesson from "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4225 on: April 22, 2016, 02:14:23 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

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« Reply #4226 on: April 22, 2016, 02:35:27 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah it'd be great if it didn't have side effects but is this really an issue? Plan B is just a high dose of a hormone that's used in many daily BC bills. It's not a unique compound created to use as after the fact birth control. Few women are going to be using it more than a few times (I hope), so honestly what is the incentive to make it side effect free? Still less painful than actual child birth I'm sure.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4227 on: April 22, 2016, 02:50:36 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

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« Reply #4228 on: April 22, 2016, 03:09:25 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4229 on: April 22, 2016, 04:03:16 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4230 on: April 22, 2016, 06:44:06 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

95% efficacy within 24 hours is not perfect, but it definitely beats the alternative...

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4231 on: April 22, 2016, 09:16:20 PM »
95% efficacy within 24 hours is not perfect, but it definitely beats the alternative...
Depends on how they calculate efficacy.
If there is only a 5% chance of getting pregnant from a single encounter then it can do nothing and still  be 95% effective.
If it's 95% effective at stopping the 5% risk then you only have a 99.75% chance of  a successful outcome.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4232 on: April 23, 2016, 08:09:02 AM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

the 5% is fine, but if you're traveling/in a conservative place that makes it impossible to get Plan B/etc, the 48 and 72 hour rates are pretty terrifying to me.

Of course, no one is as protected as they think: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html?_r=0

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« Reply #4233 on: April 23, 2016, 09:20:52 AM »
Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

the 5% is fine, but if you're traveling/in a conservative place that makes it impossible to get Plan B/etc, the 48 and 72 hour rates are pretty terrifying to me.

Of course, no one is as protected as they think: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html?_r=0

Sure but it's not the manufacturers fault that Plan B isn't readily available in some locations? It's not designed to conduct an abortion - it's designed to prevent pregnancy. If it did induce an abortion, it would be even harder to access in said locations!
Plan B does one of three things:
  • Temporarily stops the release of an egg from the ovary
  • Prevents fertilization
  • Prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus
I never said that it's a magic bullet. Even if Plan B acted instantaneously after a woman took it, an egg may have already been released, gotten fertilized, and then attached to the uterus.  I even specifically said earlier
Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

And as for your link, part of that is just the nature of probability. Assuming a particular method of birth control is 99.9% effective, the chance of not getting pregnant during the next 100 times of have sex is .999^100  = 90.47%. Extended that to 1000 times and you get a mere 36.7%.

But as you can see from the plot, the problem is actually with typical use - those curves are much worse than the perfect use ones. Not that anyone can be perfect...

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4234 on: April 23, 2016, 02:05:25 PM »
Typically, the effectiveness of contraception is described in term of annual use. So, if you're using a method that's 99.5% effective (like an implant or IUD), that means you have a 0.5% chance of pregnancy every year, not every time you have sex.

Plan B is different because it's not meant to be used all the time, just when plan A fails, so I'm not actually sure how they're measuring that effectiveness.

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« Reply #4235 on: April 24, 2016, 02:29:29 AM »
The average American woman is also too overweight for Plan B to work at this point too. Unfortunately it's ineffective in larger women.

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« Reply #4236 on: April 24, 2016, 09:38:47 AM »
The average American woman is also too overweight for Plan B to work at this point too. Unfortunately it's ineffective in larger women.

I was horrified when I read the stats about that.  It seems like there should be a larger dose or at least information about this.  I think the cut off for the studies on efficacy was something like 160 lbs.

ETA: which I think is the average weight for American women, and pretty low for tall women, I think?  I have no real sense, but I know my 6'1 female friend wears a size 2 and she's over 160.
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« Reply #4237 on: April 24, 2016, 09:57:25 AM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.

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« Reply #4238 on: April 24, 2016, 03:52:41 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.
Oh man I hope he researched that breed or he'll be in for a surprise. And I really hope the small child has been taught how to behave with cats.

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« Reply #4239 on: April 24, 2016, 04:21:53 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

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« Reply #4240 on: April 24, 2016, 04:44:58 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

The one she is getting is 1/4 Serval and she claims to have spent the last year researching exhaustively, so hopefully she knows what she is doing.  The child is 7 or 8 so it probably won't be too messed with by the cat, I'm more concerned about their existing cat.  She's an acquaintance at best, so I doubt anything I brought up would be listened to.  Somebody commented on one of her posts about it saying "be careful, I hope you know what you are getting into" and she brushed them off.  Good articles though. 
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4241 on: April 24, 2016, 05:10:41 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

The one she is getting is 1/4 Serval and she claims to have spent the last year researching exhaustively, so hopefully she knows what she is doing.  The child is 7 or 8 so it probably won't be too messed with by the cat.  She's an acquaintance at best, so I doubt anything I brought up would be listened to.  Good article though.

Did you read the part where the cats have been known to hunt old ladies and German shepherds? I'm thinking an 8 year old is probably less able to take care of himself in a fight than a German shepherd. But maybe she has a ninja 8 year old. Or is tired of having an 8 year old at all and hopes the cat kills him.

I understand your reluctance to get involved with stupid choices by acquaintances. I don't generally share my opinions with people I think are making dumb choices either. But you might want to share the article just in case she hasn't read it.

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« Reply #4242 on: April 26, 2016, 12:15:39 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.

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« Reply #4243 on: April 26, 2016, 12:19:35 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.
Oh man I hope he researched that breed or he'll be in for a surprise. And I really hope the small child has been taught how to behave with cats.

Never mind teaching the kid - that is not a domesticated animal and shouldn't be a pet at all. Stupid humans.

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« Reply #4244 on: April 26, 2016, 12:34:29 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.
I think the problem in that it drops to 61% from 48-72hrs and in many states it is almost impossible to get within 24hrs based on the current laws.

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« Reply #4245 on: April 26, 2016, 12:42:48 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.
I think the problem in that it drops to 61% from 48-72hrs and in many states it is almost impossible to get within 24hrs based on the current laws.

You misinterpreted Sibley. Sibley was talking about how she felt after taking Plan B (since TheGrimSquaker was talking about "the vicious side effects"). She was not talking about the success rate of Plan B.

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« Reply #4246 on: April 27, 2016, 02:33:23 AM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

Yeah, really not sure where that came from.

"If you take it within 72 hours after you've had unprotected sex, Plan B One-Step can reduce the risk of pregnancy by up to 89%. If you take Plan B One-Step within 24 hours, it is about 95% effective."

For me the side effects were like the worst PMS I've had in my life, complete with mood swings, nausea and headache. Makes sense considering its basically a giant dose of hormones all at once.
Yeah, it was not as bad as my menstrual cycle. Nauseous. My mood was bad anyway from cndom breaking and needing to do something about it.

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« Reply #4247 on: April 27, 2016, 12:12:14 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

Yeah, really not sure where that came from.

"If you take it within 72 hours after you've had unprotected sex, Plan B One-Step can reduce the risk of pregnancy by up to 89%. If you take Plan B One-Step within 24 hours, it is about 95% effective."

For me the side effects were like the worst PMS I've had in my life, complete with mood swings, nausea and headache. Makes sense considering its basically a giant dose of hormones all at once.
Yeah, it was not as bad as my menstrual cycle. Nauseous. My mood was bad anyway from cndom breaking and needing to do something about it.

Yes, I was referring to how I felt, not about the efficiency of it. Though my boyfriend felt worse (I hope), since the whole episode was 100% his preventable fault.

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« Reply #4248 on: April 27, 2016, 12:39:57 PM »
The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Got to love that it is socially acceptable to punish women for having sex...

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« Reply #4249 on: April 27, 2016, 01:20:51 PM »
The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Got to love that it is socially acceptable to punish women for having sex...

Always has been; most likely always will be. I can't help but notice that there hasn't been even so much as a squeak of complaint from the female population.

  • Some are unaware of the side effects since they have never needed the medicine.
  • Others are so pathetically grateful that the medical community has finally thrown them a bone, they'll take whatever they can get.
  • Some are concerned that if they asked for improvement for any reason whatsoever, legislators would use it as an excuse to take the medicine away completely. Finally,
  • There are always the self-righteous few women who are convinced that other women are Bad People who should be punished for seeking out something that they, themselves, are convinced they will never need. (Until, of course, they need it themselves, at which point they make up a nice little story about how they, or their daughters, are the noble exception to the rule.)