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« Reply #2250 on: May 19, 2015, 09:51:47 AM »
we can all judge, but to complain that the food bank is for the other people with no food is stupid.

The foodbank is not for people with no food. I have no food at the moment (we have been on vacation, and I intentionally ate everything down first). I also I have a ton of money in the bank. Should I go to the foodbank?

On your logic I should, because, genuinely, I have no food.

Instead, I will go to grocery store.

Grocery stores are for people with no food.
Foodbanks are for people without the ability to get food before going hungry.

So yes, I would argue that the foodbank is for other people with no food. People other than me, who have no way to feed themselves.

And I am very glad (and sad) that the foodbank is available, and regularly donate.

But to say the foodbank is there for ANYONE with no food is (to use your word, I wouldn't generally start throwing insults about) stupid.

I agree, not trying to judge anyone but food banks rely on the goodwill of people to contribute food. I contribute food wanting to help out people that are unable to buy food on their own. I will continue to donate food anyways but others might be less inclined to donate if they think that it is going to help those that aren't willing to go to the grocery store.

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« Reply #2251 on: May 19, 2015, 09:58:45 AM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

This is precisely why we bought ours used from one of those appliances dudes who repairs older, better made machines. Ours are 20+ year old Kenmores that we bought 10 years ago - $300 for the set. Still going strong.

I've actually thought that this might be a good side hustle -- advertise a haul-away service for broken appliances, and repair and resell whatever percentage of them have an easy fix. You'd make money on both ends of the deal.
I heard of a guy doing this in the town I grew up in. He was an immigrant from West Africa and still had connections over there. Got a job as a garbageman because he had no education/skills, quickly learned how much working stuff we threw away and started repairing stuff and shipping it out to a cousin back home. Made a fortune off of fridges that were the wrong colour, tvs that aren't flat enough, things that look too hard to repair etc.

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« Reply #2252 on: May 19, 2015, 10:15:07 AM »

Sale Ad: "Dryer works just fine. Heats great. We had to buy matching set when washer went out. Not very pretty but it does the job."

I just don't understand this.  Is the laundry room now a place where your friends judge your adequacy?

Yes, it absolutely is.  This was actually really hard for me to resist when we moved and I got a washer/dryer set.  I just got plain white so that I could replace easily if one broke; but man, those pretty red ones were calling for me... at double the price.

I suddenly want wildly clashing appliances. Red and purple or something
Ha!  I think the washer and dryer that came with our house were made in 1987.  We replaced the washer a year ago (it just wasn't getting our clothing clean, and would tear it).  We got a reasonably priced, low water top loader with no agitator in the middle.  Takes forever to run though, and is easily unbalanced.

Still have the old dryer, which is kind of yellow now.

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« Reply #2253 on: May 19, 2015, 10:17:03 AM »

I heard of a guy doing this in the town I grew up in. He was an immigrant from West Africa and still had connections over there. Got a job as a garbageman because he had no education/skills, quickly learned how much working stuff we threw away and started repairing stuff and shipping it out to a cousin back home. Made a fortune off of fridges that were the wrong colour, tvs that aren't flat enough, things that look too hard to repair etc.
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He was able to make a profit on used refrigerators shipped back to West Africa?  Cool.  I would have thought the shipping costs would be too high unless he was doing a high volume.

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« Reply #2254 on: May 19, 2015, 01:13:29 PM »

sounds like they genuinely need food this week. would you prefer they eat the photo album?

Eh. They can sell one of the giant TVs in the kids' room, get rid of one of the brand new iPhones in the house, or sell plasma. There are people in genuine need that need this food, and our food banks have been low on donations for over a year locally. Knowing this person, chances are there is also plenty of food in the house, but it's probably not up to standards (easy/junky enough). kids are older teens and just as entitled as mom, so it isn't little kids skipping a meal. It would do them all good to live with the consequences of their choices for a day or two.

So in this case, I have no problem being a judgmental prick.

Okay, that just pisses me off.  If you have MULTIPLE TVs in the house then you have no business even knowing where the food bank is unless you go there to donate directly.

I mean, how do you just have THAT little ability to plan for the future?  Did they not notice they were running low on both food and money?  I figure if you're going to the food bank it's because you've been out of work for a while, and you've been trying to stretch your money and sell things and... you just ran out of money before you could get back on your feet.  Or maybe you had some financial emergency and, not being a Mustachian, you're now out of money and food and payday isn't today.  It's a food bank, not a grocery store!  You go to the food bank because it's that or go hungry, not because it's that or you have to do something inconvenient like downsizing your life a bit.

Arg, I hate stories like this.  I can practically feel myself turning into a bitter, the-poor-are-all-freeloaders republican.

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« Reply #2255 on: May 19, 2015, 01:43:52 PM »

sounds like they genuinely need food this week. would you prefer they eat the photo album?

Eh. They can sell one of the giant TVs in the kids' room, get rid of one of the brand new iPhones in the house, or sell plasma. There are people in genuine need that need this food, and our food banks have been low on donations for over a year locally. Knowing this person, chances are there is also plenty of food in the house, but it's probably not up to standards (easy/junky enough). kids are older teens and just as entitled as mom, so it isn't little kids skipping a meal. It would do them all good to live with the consequences of their choices for a day or two.

So in this case, I have no problem being a judgmental prick.

Okay, that just pisses me off.  If you have MULTIPLE TVs in the house then you have no business even knowing where the food bank is unless you go there to donate directly.

I mean, how do you just have THAT little ability to plan for the future?  Did they not notice they were running low on both food and money?  I figure if you're going to the food bank it's because you've been out of work for a while, and you've been trying to stretch your money and sell things and... you just ran out of money before you could get back on your feet.  Or maybe you had some financial emergency and, not being a Mustachian, you're now out of money and food and payday isn't today.  It's a food bank, not a grocery store!  You go to the food bank because it's that or go hungry, not because it's that or you have to do something inconvenient like downsizing your life a bit.

Arg, I hate stories like this.  I can practically feel myself turning into a bitter, the-poor-are-all-freeloaders republican.

so the kids should starve because their parents make dumb decisions?

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« Reply #2256 on: May 19, 2015, 01:49:44 PM »

sounds like they genuinely need food this week. would you prefer they eat the photo album?

Eh. They can sell one of the giant TVs in the kids' room, get rid of one of the brand new iPhones in the house, or sell plasma. There are people in genuine need that need this food, and our food banks have been low on donations for over a year locally. Knowing this person, chances are there is also plenty of food in the house, but it's probably not up to standards (easy/junky enough). kids are older teens and just as entitled as mom, so it isn't little kids skipping a meal. It would do them all good to live with the consequences of their choices for a day or two.

So in this case, I have no problem being a judgmental prick.

Okay, that just pisses me off.  If you have MULTIPLE TVs in the house then you have no business even knowing where the food bank is unless you go there to donate directly.

I mean, how do you just have THAT little ability to plan for the future?  Did they not notice they were running low on both food and money?  I figure if you're going to the food bank it's because you've been out of work for a while, and you've been trying to stretch your money and sell things and... you just ran out of money before you could get back on your feet.  Or maybe you had some financial emergency and, not being a Mustachian, you're now out of money and food and payday isn't today.  It's a food bank, not a grocery store!  You go to the food bank because it's that or go hungry, not because it's that or you have to do something inconvenient like downsizing your life a bit.

Arg, I hate stories like this.  I can practically feel myself turning into a bitter, the-poor-are-all-freeloaders republican.

so the kids should starve because their parents make dumb decisions?

Sounds like they just upset about the situation and the abuse. I don't think anyone is implying kids should be left starving.


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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #2257 on: May 19, 2015, 02:14:09 PM »

sounds like they genuinely need food this week. would you prefer they eat the photo album?

Eh. They can sell one of the giant TVs in the kids' room, get rid of one of the brand new iPhones in the house, or sell plasma. There are people in genuine need that need this food, and our food banks have been low on donations for over a year locally. Knowing this person, chances are there is also plenty of food in the house, but it's probably not up to standards (easy/junky enough). kids are older teens and just as entitled as mom, so it isn't little kids skipping a meal. It would do them all good to live with the consequences of their choices for a day or two.

So in this case, I have no problem being a judgmental prick.

Okay, that just pisses me off.  If you have MULTIPLE TVs in the house then you have no business even knowing where the food bank is unless you go there to donate directly.

I mean, how do you just have THAT little ability to plan for the future?  Did they not notice they were running low on both food and money?  I figure if you're going to the food bank it's because you've been out of work for a while, and you've been trying to stretch your money and sell things and... you just ran out of money before you could get back on your feet.  Or maybe you had some financial emergency and, not being a Mustachian, you're now out of money and food and payday isn't today.  It's a food bank, not a grocery store!  You go to the food bank because it's that or go hungry, not because it's that or you have to do something inconvenient like downsizing your life a bit.

Arg, I hate stories like this.  I can practically feel myself turning into a bitter, the-poor-are-all-freeloaders republican.

so the kids should starve because their parents make dumb decisions?

Why does it keep getting presented like this?  As if the only two options are either starving children, or food bank mooching.  What about a third option that everyone keeps bringing up, like not prioritizing a fucking $3k vacation over groceries? 

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #2258 on: May 19, 2015, 03:20:20 PM »
Well that's the problem with money and aid, innit? Money is fungible.

Give someone $500 to spend on buying their kids food, now they spend their own $500 on a toy. They didn't use government money for it, but they did, but they didn't, but they did... and so it goes forever. Want to buy $500 worth of food and send it to the kids instead? Same thing, now the parents can use their money for other means. The more you ensure kids get the right nutrition, educational supplies, etc etc - the less shitty parents have to spend on their kids to keep them at a bare minimum level of cared-for so they don't get arrested for child neglect, and the more they can spend on other things.

So you're never going to get everyone to agree what the right level of aid is, to whom it should go, in what form it should be delivered... and so on.

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« Reply #2259 on: May 19, 2015, 04:49:52 PM »
Jesus, of all the FB bitching in this thread, this is the post that gets jumped upon? Just to put an end to the whole "but what about the children?!?!?" crap going on here:

I know these people fairly well, unfortunately. No one is in danger of starving. The kids are in danger of having to eat, god forbid, a vegetable or something that isn't a hot pocket or toaster strudel. These people have a decent paycheck coming in, but they have a long history of poor financial choices and questionable ethics. Nothing as bad as food stamp mooching, but they have used food banks and scammed holiday toy drives in the past (and bragged about it -- namely that they managed to hide income during the income verification process for one drive). They own  new vehicles, rent a huge, overpriced house, and she and her daughter have their hair done at a fancy salon every four weeks. 

But yeah, I am an asshole. I'm cool with that. I'm not the only asshole, though, because about a third of her friend list has already called her out on the food bank thing.

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« Reply #2260 on: May 19, 2015, 05:42:52 PM »
We don't have fancy washer dryer combo, they are white and normal looking and not even the same brand.

We are selling our house and the last people to go through, said they would have to remodel the laundry room, I mean it doesn't look like a Pinterest LR but still, it has tile floor and white baseboards, a lovely fresh aqua color, I wanted a sunny bright color, there isn't anything wrong with the room, it was a little disheartening.

It made me chuckle a bit because if they had any sense at all, they could look up that washer, it is very expensive, I did a lot of research before buying it, it is supposed to be made to take apart and be able to fix by yourself, which we have done once in the 12 years we have used it, it is made in the USA and I love it!! it uses less water than the average front loader and still loads from the top, it's awesome and we are taking it with us when we move.

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« Reply #2261 on: May 19, 2015, 06:13:25 PM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.

I was starting to wonder if I was the only once who hasn't had problems with modern appliances I couldn't fix myself/cheaply.  Just fixed my fridges water dispenser for a few bucks.  Even if I didn't, it's just equivalent to an older fridge with no dispenser.  An escalator doesn't break, man, it just temporarily becomes stairs.  Water dispenser out of service: sorry for the convenience

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« Reply #2262 on: May 19, 2015, 07:06:32 PM »
We don't have fancy washer dryer combo, they are white and normal looking and not even the same brand.

We are selling our house and the last people to go through, said they would have to remodel the laundry room, I mean it doesn't look like a Pinterest LR but still, it has tile floor and white baseboards, a lovely fresh aqua color, I wanted a sunny bright color, there isn't anything wrong with the room, it was a little disheartening.

It made me chuckle a bit because if they had any sense at all, they could look up that washer, it is very expensive, I did a lot of research before buying it, it is supposed to be made to take apart and be able to fix by yourself, which we have done once in the 12 years we have used it, it is made in the USA and I love it!! it uses less water than the average front loader and still loads from the top, it's awesome and we are taking it with us when we move.

Post the FB response thread please - if it's not too much work cutting out the usernames.  I'd love to see what her friends wrote.   /gawk.

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« Reply #2263 on: May 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM »
I mean it doesn't look like a Pinterest LR but still,

What the hell is a pinterest laundry room? People actually need their laundry rooms to be anything more than functional??? Please tell me that is not a real thing

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« Reply #2264 on: May 20, 2015, 09:10:16 AM »
I mean it doesn't look like a Pinterest LR but still,

What the hell is a pinterest laundry room? People actually need their laundry rooms to be anything more than functional??? Please tell me that is not a real thing

I am assuming this is what she meant, that it wasn't perfect with matching w/d colored combo with a folding granite counter top and built in cabinets, that is what I mean by a Pinterest laundry room.

It does have a white W/D with plenty of storage in floor to ceiling shelving, a utility sink and tiled floor, newly painted trim and walls and ceiling. I guess none of that is good enough for her. It is a high end home, so I can see where she is coming from a little bit, just expecting more maybe? I am sure it is a real thing, not a need but a want.

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« Reply #2265 on: May 20, 2015, 09:17:28 AM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.

Ours thankfully haven't broken yet- but so much relies on computer parts- that is what I think isn't fixable.  A door latch is nothing if the circuit board is fried.

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« Reply #2266 on: May 20, 2015, 09:20:48 AM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.

Ours thankfully haven't broken yet- but so much relies on computer parts- that is what I think isn't fixable.  A door latch is nothing if the circuit board is fried.

Yes, that is why this Staber is so great, after I bought it they went up in price by quite a bit, I noticed all appliances did, it's crazy jut how fast that happens.

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« Reply #2267 on: May 20, 2015, 10:55:52 AM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

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« Reply #2268 on: May 20, 2015, 02:19:40 PM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

I hope so because if not that interest bite that occurs if you miss paying it off during the grace period can be tough!

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« Reply #2269 on: May 20, 2015, 02:30:34 PM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.
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« Reply #2270 on: May 20, 2015, 02:31:28 PM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

Related to the overheard at work thread: Please let us know if he posts any pictures from a grill your own steak restaurant.

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« Reply #2271 on: May 20, 2015, 02:33:36 PM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

Related to the overheard at work thread: Please let us know if he posts any pictures from a grill your own steak restaurant.

Lets combine these threads into "Overheard at WorkBook"

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« Reply #2272 on: May 20, 2015, 04:35:06 PM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

I hope so because if not that interest bite that occurs if you miss paying it off during the grace period can be tough!

There is no way this is getting paid off before then. He is a good example of poor decision making snowballing out of control.

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« Reply #2273 on: May 20, 2015, 05:26:14 PM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

Related to the overheard at work thread: Please let us know if he posts any pictures from a grill your own steak restaurant.

Lets combine these threads into "Overheard at WorkBook"

Or "Overheard at Fork" :-)

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« Reply #2274 on: May 20, 2015, 06:49:43 PM »
Facebook post, "Just found out I can graduate in two years!!!!!"

This is fantastic news.... until you get to know this person.

1. Literally has finished one college course so far (which didn't even give credit because it's an introductory course).
2. When accepted to this online college, they told me they'll have $90k in student loans when they're done. I swore up and down and yelled at them to not take that much student loans for a job that they have no idea about being able to get in the end. See #3 for reason of not being sure of being able to get a job.
3. Can hardly get a driver's learning permit. We live in an area where having a license is absolutely necessary if you want to live in this area with the type of job they are going to school for (gaming graphic design). Currently her grandmother drives her everywhere.
4. Person has been working since 16, is now 28 and longest held job was 6 months.
5. I almost forgot all about this one.... has already gone to numerous "colleges" for multiple types of education. She wanted to be a vet assistant at one point (this one is what she should have stuck with because it suited her perfectly). She had paid two different illegitimate colleges already (a couple grand each; the money came from her grandmother).

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« Reply #2275 on: May 21, 2015, 08:05:31 AM »
Facebook post, "Just found out I can graduate in two years!!!!!"


I dont know where you are exactly, but in my state (WI), you can take gen ed at the tech college and transfer most of it to any of the state universities. to compete with this, many of the private schools have followed suit.

Pay-to-play colleges are a sham, most people in business know this and joke about ITT, univ phoenix, rasmussen, everest, etc. They are private college expensive without the reputation or quality of education. I would say they provide a 2-yr tech school level education, make you take 4 year Bachelors time to do it, and charge you for a masters.

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« Reply #2276 on: May 21, 2015, 01:11:55 PM »
Pay-to-play colleges are a sham, most people in business know this and joke about ITT, univ phoenix, rasmussen, everest, etc. They are private college expensive without the reputation or quality of education. I would say they provide a 2-yr tech school level education, make you take 4 year Bachelors time to do it, and charge you for a masters.
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« Reply #2277 on: May 21, 2015, 03:04:44 PM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.
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I ran an appliance repair center for 7 years.  the new machines are easier and cheaper to fix than the old ones most of the time.  I choose the brand I choose because research told me they sill make 100% of their parts, and they reuse these parts in several models. 

Trust me when I say that these are simpler than the old ones.  Most is ran off a PC board, which I had to replace once... but it was $75.  Not what I would call major expense.

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« Reply #2278 on: May 21, 2015, 03:47:10 PM »
Interesting, dycker.

I'm going to start off saying I know nothing about appliances.

With that said, it is obvious that entire industries - automotive, appliance, etc etc - are moving from relatively complex designs using many simple components to relatively simple designs using one or very few complex components. In other words, instead of 50 resistors, capacitors, relays, diodes, inductors, and so on on and so on, we get one PCB with a microcontroller that's wired up to your inputs (hopefully through a wiring harness.)

The benefit of this is obvious. It's much easier to engineer (most simple appliances have a PCB that can be designed and manufactured by a first-year college student or your average hobbyist), reduces diagnostics (you don't have to figure out which component is broken, you just figure out that the PCB is at fault and replace it entirely), can probably be re-used between appliances (same PCB, eight slightly different models of dryer), can be upgraded silently and invisibly to the consumer (same input/output interface and behavior, new design, to avoid end-of-life parts or to reduce cost or whatever).

The real downside is when the customer has no choice but to replace it. Now, let's say you have a $400 washing machine and a $5 PCB malfunctions. The worst-case scenario is that you spend $400 on a new machine. Therefore, the ceiling to the repair cost is probably $200 or so before your average person figures that they're better off just buying a new one (partially to avoid future problems with more malfunctions.) Great. But let's say your $20,000 car has a $5 PCB malfunction. The manufacturer can charge $1000 for it because fuck you, that's why. In real terms, they're almost unlimited in the cost they can charge, especially if it's a complex component that can't be ripped out and replaced. If the design was discrete, composed of many simple components, then the cost would be bound by labor to diagnose and replace a failed relay ($5 part from a hundred different manufacturers.) Your car's navigation/entertainment system fails, that'll be four thousand dollars please, yes we know it only costs us $50 to make it but fuck you that's why.

And the other real downside is when the manufacturer makes repairs impossible (see above: fuck you, that's why.) They can refuse to sell replacement PCBs or they can make it take two hours of labor to get up into them on cheap appliances. Then again, the latter thing can be done with a discrete design as well.

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« Reply #2279 on: May 22, 2015, 09:20:35 AM »
Along the appliance repair topic, we recently had an experience.  We had a fire in January 2014.  The physical damage was constrained to the laundry room in an unfinished portion of the basement.  Smoke went everywhere, but not a terrible deal as far as fires go.

We got a new washer dryer set covered by insurance.  It generally worked just fine.  About 1-2 weeks out of the one year warranty it started tripping the GFCI outlet it was plugged into during the rinse cycle.  I called the OEM to see if we could get a concession on the warranty since the behavior literally manifested less than 2 weeks out of the warranty.  Eventually they came around and offered the concession.  So their tech comes out and tells us not to plug it into a GFCI.  Thanks, but that didn't fix the issue.  I need a GFCI by code (unfinished space, I could finish it, but even then since I have a laundry sink within 6' I still need a GFCI.  I could take out the sink and finish, but that's a lot of work and I like having a laundry/utility sink for cleaning up other messy things too).  Obviously the problem is still there.  I decide to replace the GFCI with a better (more reputable brand) GFCI.  The problem is still there.

I document the continuation of the issue.  If I ran an extension cord to a non-GFCI outlet, the machine would loop (i.e. restart the spin cycle indefinitely trying to finish the cycle.  I once let it run for about 6 hours).  I call the tech back and he says he can replace the main board.  He comes out a few days later and does this and then tells my wife their service is complete.  I think I'll be the judge of that.  If you actually fixed it, yes, your service is complete.  If not, then no, you still need to fix this.  Anyway, the first load works fine, subsequent loads have the same issue with the looping at the spin cycle and/or tripping the GFCI if plugged into that outlet.

I document some more and call the tech back.  He says he'll have to talk with the OEM engineering department.  I get a call back a few days later saying he has a couple ideas (replace rods/damper and maybe something else).  He wants to pickup the machine and bring it to his shop to diagnose/repair.  He says he'll need some help getting it out.  Okay, we set up a time for him to come pick it up.  On the appointed day we load up the machine.  As we tip it back into his van he asks if we have had other repair work done as the pump is moved to a new location (apparently this was a known issue) and the cable ties were different.  I said no, we bought what was represented to us as a new unit.  I also asked about his arrangement with the OEM since his shop is about 80 miles away and is the only one that services our area.  The shop has two techs who are partners and one office guy.  He informed me that he gets $80 per call/workorder from the OEM.  If he doesn't fix it the first time, it's all on his dime.  I start to feel a little bad for him, but he didn't do a very good job the first time as he didn't do any real diagnostics or anything.  A little later he tells me that it costs him $200 to come out to my place each time.  At this point, I don't know which part to not believe because obviously someone won't agree to be paid $80 for something that costs them $200, even if he fixes it the first time.  I'm guessing he has a flat fee arrangement with the OEM for diagnostics and labor, maybe it's $80 maybe it's something more, but I don't really care at this point.

A few days later he calls and we set a time for him to return the machine.  Again he needs some help getting it down the stairs.  As we unload he says he replaced the rods and the motor and things are working fine now.  We get it installed and everything has so far been working fine (it's been about a month since we got it back).

So, in total the tech made four trips and put in two boards (the main PCB and some other one), replaced the rods/dampers, and the motor.  I don't think I could have diagnosed these issues or procured the parts cost effectively enough to not outsource this work.  Worst case scenario would have been to take the OEM up on their extended warranty for $350 (on a machine I paid ~$800 for new), but even that was close to too much.  I could have sold this machine to someone on CL for a couple hundred to repair and then bought an old Kenmore or Maytag that is easier to fix.

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« Reply #2280 on: May 22, 2015, 09:41:38 AM »
One of my friends that is beyond his eyeballs in debt and frequently behind on bills just posted a pic of a new grill he bought. Got a good deal, only $300 put on a 0% interest card for 6 months. He thinks he should be able to pay it off by then.

I hope so because if not that interest bite that occurs if you miss paying it off during the grace period can be tough!

There is no way this is getting paid off before then. He is a good example of poor decision making snowballing out of control.

I didn't have to wait long to update this. Today posted that his car needs tires. He definitely knew there was a problem before buying the grill, but these things can wait right? It definitely can't wait anymore.

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« Reply #2281 on: May 22, 2015, 09:55:51 AM »
Along the appliance repair topic, we recently had an experience.  We had a fire in January 2014.  The physical damage was constrained to the laundry room in an unfinished portion of the basement.  Smoke went everywhere, but not a terrible deal as far as fires go.

We got a new washer dryer set covered by insurance.  It generally worked just fine.  About 1-2 weeks out of the one year warranty it started tripping the GFCI outlet it was plugged into during the rinse cycle.  I called the OEM to see if we could get a concession on the warranty since the behavior literally manifested less than 2 weeks out of the warranty.  Eventually they came around and offered the concession.  So their tech comes out and tells us not to plug it into a GFCI.  Thanks, but that didn't fix the issue.  I need a GFCI by code (unfinished space, I could finish it, but even then since I have a laundry sink within 6' I still need a GFCI.  I could take out the sink and finish, but that's a lot of work and I like having a laundry/utility sink for cleaning up other messy things too).  Obviously the problem is still there.  I decide to replace the GFCI with a better (more reputable brand) GFCI.  The problem is still there.

I document the continuation of the issue.  If I ran an extension cord to a non-GFCI outlet, the machine would loop (i.e. restart the spin cycle indefinitely trying to finish the cycle.  I once let it run for about 6 hours).  I call the tech back and he says he can replace the main board.  He comes out a few days later and does this and then tells my wife their service is complete.  I think I'll be the judge of that.  If you actually fixed it, yes, your service is complete.  If not, then no, you still need to fix this.  Anyway, the first load works fine, subsequent loads have the same issue with the looping at the spin cycle and/or tripping the GFCI if plugged into that outlet.

I document some more and call the tech back.  He says he'll have to talk with the OEM engineering department.  I get a call back a few days later saying he has a couple ideas (replace rods/damper and maybe something else).  He wants to pickup the machine and bring it to his shop to diagnose/repair.  He says he'll need some help getting it out.  Okay, we set up a time for him to come pick it up.  On the appointed day we load up the machine.  As we tip it back into his van he asks if we have had other repair work done as the pump is moved to a new location (apparently this was a known issue) and the cable ties were different.  I said no, we bought what was represented to us as a new unit.  I also asked about his arrangement with the OEM since his shop is about 80 miles away and is the only one that services our area.  The shop has two techs who are partners and one office guy.  He informed me that he gets $80 per call/workorder from the OEM.  If he doesn't fix it the first time, it's all on his dime.  I start to feel a little bad for him, but he didn't do a very good job the first time as he didn't do any real diagnostics or anything.  A little later he tells me that it costs him $200 to come out to my place each time.  At this point, I don't know which part to not believe because obviously someone won't agree to be paid $80 for something that costs them $200, even if he fixes it the first time.  I'm guessing he has a flat fee arrangement with the OEM for diagnostics and labor, maybe it's $80 maybe it's something more, but I don't really care at this point.

A few days later he calls and we set a time for him to return the machine.  Again he needs some help getting it down the stairs.  As we unload he says he replaced the rods and the motor and things are working fine now.  We get it installed and everything has so far been working fine (it's been about a month since we got it back).

So, in total the tech made four trips and put in two boards (the main PCB and some other one), replaced the rods/dampers, and the motor.  I don't think I could have diagnosed these issues or procured the parts cost effectively enough to not outsource this work.  Worst case scenario would have been to take the OEM up on their extended warranty for $350 (on a machine I paid ~$800 for new), but even that was close to too much.  I could have sold this machine to someone on CL for a couple hundred to repair and then bought an old Kenmore or Maytag that is easier to fix.

On that note, when I was in business the OEM flat rate per work order, if you did not fix it the first time it was on your dime.  The flat range was 80-100 depending on OEM.  They also paid millage for anything that was outside of the first 10km on way. 

Your issues was not common, in fact I never ran into this the whole time I was in business.  99% of the time it was the main OCB, or a door lock sensor, or the pump.  Sometimes machines just get gremlins that take a while to solve.

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« Reply #2282 on: May 22, 2015, 01:12:56 PM »
I have a great one from yesterday:

Friend: "So it seems my boys will have to be separated for day care. What works for one doesn't work for the other. Problem is that there are almost no places with infant openings and hiring a nanny means I would be working just to pay the nanny. Daycare can't afford to have it and can't afford to not have it."

Later: "My day just got better" [pic of a LootCrate box]

Also, from her husband "Early birthday present" [picture of new golf club set with a custom bag]

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #2283 on: May 25, 2015, 02:31:01 PM »
Jesus, of all the FB bitching in this thread, this is the post that gets jumped upon? Just to put an end to the whole "but what about the children?!?!?" crap going on here:



I concur.

But that is the "go to" line for ALL!!!  As soon as there is something in society that is not G rated or not "safe" or if it can abused then the "WHO WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN" line is used and if you disagree with it the YOU are the bad person.  It really has gotten out of hand with this shit. How about we just sanitize the whole planet so "THE POOR POOR CHILDREN" can be safe from any "evils" in the world!!!! 

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« Reply #2284 on: May 25, 2015, 02:43:28 PM »
I didn't have to wait long to update this. Today posted that his car needs tires. He definitely knew there was a problem before buying the grill, but these things can wait right? It definitely can't wait anymore.

Betcha he gets them on store credit. Chain auto shops seem to love pushing their store credit cards. When I got my new tires, I heard the guy offering credit to the couple before me; when it came to be my turn, I handed him my card before he could get to it.

In seriousness, that stuff would be a lifesaver in an emergency for some people, but that's why we have a buffer in our budget and emergency savings.

When I lived in Portland, I heard a few times people use the excuse that "tires are expensive" when someone brought up shitty rain drivers who kept slipping all over the road and/or driving way too slow. Please. It rains for a third of the year there. If you can't afford new tires, you can't afford to drive, just like if you can't afford gas or brakes or to keep your car moderately safe.

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« Reply #2285 on: May 26, 2015, 05:47:31 AM »
My area has a FB page for people wanting to sell stuff, like a local Craigslist.  I just saw someone post an ad to sell an RV for $19k.  Someone replied back asking if they would take monthly payments.

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« Reply #2286 on: May 26, 2015, 10:55:52 AM »
My area has a FB page for people wanting to sell stuff, like a local Craigslist.  I just saw someone post an ad to sell an RV for $19k.  Someone replied back asking if they would take monthly payments.

/facepalm

Every time I think I've heard/seen it all, posts like this remind me that no, I haven't.


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« Reply #2287 on: May 27, 2015, 01:35:04 PM »
Dude, browse craigslist for cars. So many of the ads have a line line this: "Local buyers only. Cash only. Will not do payment plans." Apparently it's common enough that people have to say no up-front to save time.

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« Reply #2288 on: May 27, 2015, 01:38:56 PM »
Old washers were made to be fixed. New ones are made to be replaced.

I like that the new ones use so much less electricity and water, but since they will have such a short lifespan, I wonder what the actual energy savings is...

I disagree with this.  I have a "new" front load set.  I bought them in 2006 new and have had to replace the door latch($55) and the main PCB ($75) in the washer.  They are both going strong, and I will repair them until I can no longer get parts for them, which is unlikely soon, they are still using the same parts in new ones. 

Of course I did the repair myself so that saved money on the labour.  The new machines are so simple to fix, just need to watch a you tube video.

I was starting to wonder if I was the only once who hasn't had problems with modern appliances I couldn't fix myself/cheaply.  Just fixed my fridges water dispenser for a few bucks.  Even if I didn't, it's just equivalent to an older fridge with no dispenser.  An escalator doesn't break, man, it just temporarily becomes stairs.  Water dispenser out of service: sorry for the convenience

Rip Mitch.
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« Reply #2289 on: May 28, 2015, 07:30:59 AM »
Dude, browse craigslist for cars. So many of the ads have a line line this: "Local buyers only. Cash only. Will not do payment plans." Apparently it's common enough that people have to say no up-front to save time.

Yeah, on  19k vehicle that doesn't surprise me at all.  I was selling a $3500 horse trailer and someone wanted to borrow it first to "see if my horse likes it " (hint, no horse likes any trailer, they just learn to tolerate them), and then make payments. Maybe even contingent on selling her old trailer.  I told her to ask the credit union about a loan.  If they wouldn't loan her money, why would I?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #2290 on: May 28, 2015, 11:03:11 AM »
My area has a FB page for people wanting to sell stuff, like a local Craigslist.  I just saw someone post an ad to sell an RV for $19k.  Someone replied back asking if they would take monthly payments.

Funny, someone just posted on my area's FB group saying, "ISO reliable car and willing to accept biweekly payments."

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« Reply #2291 on: May 28, 2015, 11:07:53 AM »
My area has a FB page for people wanting to sell stuff, like a local Craigslist.  I just saw someone post an ad to sell an RV for $19k.  Someone replied back asking if they would take monthly payments.

Funny, someone just posted on my area's FB group saying, "ISO reliable car and willing to accept biweekly payments."
I can't wrap my head around that.  Crazy!

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« Reply #2292 on: May 28, 2015, 12:38:28 PM »
I didn't have to wait long to update this. Today posted that his car needs tires. He definitely knew there was a problem before buying the grill, but these things can wait right? It definitely can't wait anymore.

Betcha he gets them on store credit. Chain auto shops seem to love pushing their store credit cards. When I got my new tires, I heard the guy offering credit to the couple before me; when it came to be my turn, I handed him my card before he could get to it.

In seriousness, that stuff would be a lifesaver in an emergency for some people, but that's why we have a buffer in our budget and emergency savings.

When I lived in Portland, I heard a few times people use the excuse that "tires are expensive" when someone brought up shitty rain drivers who kept slipping all over the road and/or driving way too slow. Please. It rains for a third of the year there. If you can't afford new tires, you can't afford to drive, just like if you can't afford gas or brakes or to keep your car moderately safe.

Tires are expensive and I have a small car. It is part of what makes me glad to have a small car.

It reminds me of a YT video I watched of a mechanic's rant. The mechanic worked in a BMW dealership. One day he had a lady come in with a late model BMW SUV. It needed new upper and lower ball joints. The price to fix it was $$$ and the woman threw a fit saying she couldn't afford it and can't he just fix half the problem and she come back some other time, etc, etc. He eventually said basically "Yes, I know it is expensive to fix a BMW. That is exactly why I DON'T have a BMW. I don't want to have to take out a second and third mortgage to fix the thing every time something goes wrong. If I can't afford to fix it, I can't afford to drive it."

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« Reply #2293 on: May 28, 2015, 01:59:29 PM »
From my very best friend on car shopping:

"God. Just did my budget w/car payments & adjusting a few things. I'm gonna barf. It's so fucking tight. I'm going to have to reevaluate  everything."

"The problem is anything under 10k is going to be really old and lots of mileage so it's not really worth getting because I'm going to have to put money into it. I'm barely able to find decent cars at 14k. It's just ridiculous how much things are."

She should be getting anywhere from $4500 - $6000 for the car she totaled last Saturday. Thankfully no one was hurt in the wreck. She does keep a "budget" but it's a loose one. She works for a family as a caretaker for their disabled daughter. Some savings, no retirement, Obamacare, etc. I try to help her when she asks but man...sometimes it's hard.

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« Reply #2294 on: May 29, 2015, 06:48:51 AM »
"The problem is anything under 10k is going to be really old and lots of mileage so it's not really worth getting because I'm going to have to put money into it. I'm barely able to find decent cars at 14k. It's just ridiculous how much things are."

She's not looking very hard.
She could get a NEW Nissan Versa for $12k.

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« Reply #2295 on: May 29, 2015, 09:34:52 AM »
OK, I think I just hit the jackpot on this one.  If you have the time to read through the comments, especially the memes generated as a result of this thread, I highly recommend you do so!  Excellent entertainment, & a good example of why so many people are bad with finances.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=849546585092397&set=pcb.849546698425719&type=1&theater

(Summary - lady posts bottles of laundry detergent for sale on FB yard sale page.  $0.35 each, or $12 for a case of 48.  Insanity ensues as multiple people insist she's scamming people, b/c she's really charging $4/bottle.  Page admin chimes in, siding with the math challenged people, and boots her off the page after getting high and mighty on her "power".  FB post goes viral, and word gets out that the admin was recently arrested for scamming an elderly couple out of $1.3 million.)

Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up!!!

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« Reply #2296 on: May 29, 2015, 10:14:29 AM »
OK, I think I just hit the jackpot on this one.  If you have the time to read through the comments, especially the memes generated as a result of this thread, I highly recommend you do so!  Excellent entertainment, & a good example of why so many people are bad with finances.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=849546585092397&set=pcb.849546698425719&type=1&theater

(Summary - lady posts bottles of laundry detergent for sale on FB yard sale page.  $0.35 each, or $12 for a case of 48.  Insanity ensues as multiple people insist she's scamming people, b/c she's really charging $4/bottle.  Page admin chimes in, siding with the math challenged people, and boots her off the page after getting high and mighty on her "power".  FB post goes viral, and word gets out that the admin was recently arrested for scamming an elderly couple out of $1.3 million.)

Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up!!!

OMG... I cant even.  How are people so dumb?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #2297 on: May 29, 2015, 10:18:48 AM »
My 24 year old niece just posted how happy she is about her new car purchase. Only $45000 at 10% interest. But it was a great deal since they threw in a new ipad.

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« Reply #2298 on: May 29, 2015, 10:36:51 AM »
My 24 year old niece just posted how happy she is about her new car purchase. Only $45000 at 10% interest. But it was a great deal since they threw in a new ipad.
Reminds me of some deal I saw somewhere, I think it was for something relatively big-ticket- they made a big deal about the 'Get a free iPad!' but if you read the fine print, if you got it WITHOUT the iPad you saved the value of the iPad plus about $50- they had just rolled the price of the iPad plus some padding (and since most would finance it, they'd make even more on interest...) into their advertised price. So if you were DEAD SET on having that iPad too, you'd be at least $50 better off getting it independently (if not saving even more and getting a lightly-used one...).

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« Reply #2299 on: May 29, 2015, 10:52:22 AM »
My 24 year old niece just posted how happy she is about her new car purchase. Only $45000 at 10% interest. But it was a great deal since they threw in a new ipad.

What 24 year old needs a $45k car?!?