Author Topic: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar  (Read 3219 times)

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Students Are Going To Law School For Three Years To Get Executive JDs, But None Of Them Are Becoming Lawyers

To be honest, I'm a bit conflicted about this since it is a really scamy way to get money from people who think they are getting a useful education. On the other hand, it's also not that hard to find ABA approved law schools and being able to factual research is a big part of being a lawyer.

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 09:44:10 AM »
I had a mental image of a raucous party at a wet bar, where people are sitting on tall stools to receive their libations while well-dressed person in an expensive shirt and shoes stares longingly at the martinis while standing sadly on the other side of one of those tape-like movie barriers. The sad person is condemned to drink alone in the restaurant area because they're not allowed to sit at the bar unless they can get onto the other side of the movie barrier, and they can't quite figure it out but don't have the nerve to ask the wait staff, who are schlepping orders for a fraction of minimum wage.

Seriously though, if a person gets through undergraduate school and isn't capable of determining whether a law school is legitimate, they seem a bit dim for the profession. Do we really want them practicing for pay?

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 09:51:56 AM »
I guess if you could find a mentor, you could practice in a state that allows you to sit the bar without a degree.  Still seems like a waste.

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 12:19:36 PM »
This is just one example among thousands as higher education institutions, including some well known legitimate ones, are recruiting students for all sorts of masters degrees.  The flagship school in my state does this.  Students sign up for a masters program that is mostly online, believing they will be taught by the regular faculty of the institution.  But most of the courses are farmed out to low paid adjuncts who may or may not be good instructors, or have substantial expertise. The problem is that applicants do not even imagine they are getting duped like this, so they fail to make inquiries that would reveal the true nature of the program. 

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2019, 04:05:36 PM »
This is just one example among thousands as higher education institutions, including some well known legitimate ones, are recruiting students for all sorts of masters degrees.  The flagship school in my state does this.  Students sign up for a masters program that is mostly online, believing they will be taught by the regular faculty of the institution.  But most of the courses are farmed out to low paid adjuncts who may or may not be good instructors, or have substantial expertise. The problem is that applicants do not even imagine they are getting duped like this, so they fail to make inquiries that would reveal the true nature of the program.

These graduate schools have also started outsourcing their recruiting. So now they've got people making cold calls or responding to website/email inquiries who are paid on commission to get as many students as possible.

The higher education market is quite the racket these days. Caveat emptor.

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2019, 10:32:38 AM »
Students Are Going To Law School For Three Years To Get Executive JDs, But None Of Them Are Becoming Lawyers

To be honest, I'm a bit conflicted about this since it is a really scamy way to get money from people who think they are getting a useful education. On the other hand, it's also not that hard to find ABA approved law schools and being able to factual research is a big part of being a lawyer.

There is absolutely no need for this, as I get the same amount of respect for the vast knowledge, experience, and education that I gained from watching Law & Order.

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Re: The Executive JD - a $30k degree that doesn't allow you to sit the bar
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2019, 07:13:49 AM »
On first thought, I remembered thinking that the first year of law school was more of an intensive Civics course that could be taught to any interested high-school student, so I thought, "meh, why not allow more people access to that type of education."   

Then I read the article.   Yeah, that's definitely a money-making scam.

Law school itself is kind of a money-making scam, but at least you have the opportunity to earn a living from it when you finish. 

Law school is well-known as a money-maker for universities.  Schools don't have to provide much in the way of fancy equipment or expensive labs or technology, yet they charge the same as medical schools.  It's ridiculous.  Still glad I went to law school--at an accredited school, that is.