Overheard on Facebook

[marty998]

A friend posted today "according to the calculator, I can retire 5 years after I die"

I think I'll send him a link to MMM

I am sitting here stupidly trying to figure out how that is possible :D

[MgoSam]

A friend posted today "according to the calculator, I can retire 5 years after I die"

I think I'll send him a link to MMM

I am sitting here stupidly trying to figure out how that is possible :D

Don't. Stupid is as stupid does and no one wants to do as what stupid does when stupid does the stupid thing that stupid does.

[TartanTallulah]

A friend posted today "according to the calculator, I can retire 5 years after I die"

I think I'll send him a link to MMM

I am sitting here stupidly trying to figure out how that is possible :D

I posted a link to a social media site for a blatantly spoof article that included the proposition that people in my occupation would only be considered for retirement after they had died, and even then it could not be guaranteed. I was amazed at how many people I think of as being intelligent came back with comments like, "But how is that even possible?" Either I overestimated their intelligence or they underestimated mine. Makes me wonder whether they took some of the other bizarre propositions in the article at face value too.

[fruitfly]

A former co-worker told me about a year ago that he was saving for a house downpayment in our crazy Portland market. I was glad for him (he makes good money and has a pretty low rent currently) and so we talked about having to stop shopping and buying tech stuff (we're both nerds but he really worships at the altar of Apple).

Since then his instagram has been a constant stream of cutesy nerd stuff, Apple product of the week (watches, new phone, cases), dinners out, upgrades to his aquarium, etc etc etc. I finally asked after he posted a pic of his new Apple AirPods (MSRP $159) if he was still planning to buy a house. He got mad and said this one purchase wasn't going to stand between him and buying a house.

I really need to learn to shut my mouth!

[BTDretire]

A former co-worker told me about a year ago that he was saving for a house downpayment in our crazy Portland market. I was glad for him (he makes good money and has a pretty low rent currently) and so we talked about having to stop shopping and buying tech stuff (we're both nerds but he really worships at the altar of Apple).

Since then his instagram has been a constant stream of cutesy nerd stuff, Apple product of the week (watches, new phone, cases), dinners out, upgrades to his aquarium, etc etc etc. I finally asked after he posted a pic of his new Apple AirPods (MSRP $159) if he was still planning to buy a house. He got mad and said this one purchase wasn't going to stand between him and buying a house.

I really need to learn to shut my mouth!

He got mad, because he knows you are right!

[Kitsune]

A former co-worker told me about a year ago that he was saving for a house downpayment in our crazy Portland market. I was glad for him (he makes good money and has a pretty low rent currently) and so we talked about having to stop shopping and buying tech stuff (we're both nerds but he really worships at the altar of Apple).

Since then his instagram has been a constant stream of cutesy nerd stuff, Apple product of the week (watches, new phone, cases), dinners out, upgrades to his aquarium, etc etc etc. I finally asked after he posted a pic of his new Apple AirPods (MSRP $159) if he was still planning to buy a house. He got mad and said this one purchase wasn't going to stand between him and buying a house.

I really need to learn to shut my mouth!

He got mad, because he knows you are right!

Well, on the surface, he's right... ONE purchase isn't the problem. He's mad because it's more like one every few days, and yeah, that WILL come between him and a house and he doesn't want to be reminded of it.

Sad thing is, once he finally realizes it, meals will have been eaten and depreciating apple products bought and there won't be much to show for it.

[mustachepungoeshere]

A very dear friend of mine is more superficial than I would like, and has the peculiar habit of bragging about new cars, new houses, new toys... that all belong to his brother.

Sometimes it's on Facebook, often it's in person.

E.g.

"Fred just bought this awesome new blender. I can't wait for my blender to die so I can buy one too!"

My friend doesn't use the blender he has, which was a hand-me-down from his mum. He definitely does not need a $300 blender.

"Oh, you're new apartment isn't as big as I thought it would be. Fred and his wife just bought a new place, six bedrooms, the works."

My friend lives rent-free in a 40-year-old house. The kitchen is a bit plain, the shower screen is broken, and you have to turn the taps just the right way to get hot water, but I've never said a word because I think it's an awesome financial opportunity for him not to have to pay rent.

I know Fred and his wife, they are savvy with money and very comfortable financially, and they're also completely down to earth and would never lord their comfortable lifestyle over others. So it's odd that my friend feels the need to elevate himself on the back of their wealth.

[Mezzie]

I would be very uncomfortable with someone posting about what I had bought. That's just...odd.

[fruitfly]

A former co-worker told me about a year ago that he was saving for a house downpayment in our crazy Portland market. I was glad for him (he makes good money and has a pretty low rent currently) and so we talked about having to stop shopping and buying tech stuff (we're both nerds but he really worships at the altar of Apple).

Since then his instagram has been a constant stream of cutesy nerd stuff, Apple product of the week (watches, new phone, cases), dinners out, upgrades to his aquarium, etc etc etc. I finally asked after he posted a pic of his new Apple AirPods (MSRP $159) if he was still planning to buy a house. He got mad and said this one purchase wasn't going to stand between him and buying a house.

I really need to learn to shut my mouth!

He got mad, because he knows you are right!

Well, on the surface, he's right... ONE purchase isn't the problem. He's mad because it's more like one every few days, and yeah, that WILL come between him and a house and he doesn't want to be reminded of it.

Sad thing is, once he finally realizes it, meals will have been eaten and depreciating apple products bought and there won't be much to show for it.

Don't worry guys, the purchase isn't a big deal because he told me he's going to spend way more on a big trip that's coming up. <eyeroll>

mustachepungoeshere, that's uncomfortable. I hate the whole compare to others mentality that people have to measure their own "success."

[nnls]

Just saw this on facebook

Has anyone done a $500 loan through nimble before? What were your repayments looking at/how long for?

Trying to find the best loan company with great repayment prices 1-2 years to pay off the rest of my wedding

A few people suggested having a cheaper wedding, but that is apparently impossible. She "needs" a loan, other people have suggested selling things for the cash but also a no go. Hopefully she can get a loan through a regular bank instead of paying the 47% nimble charges

[mustachepungoeshere]

mustachepungoeshere, that's uncomfortable. I hate the whole compare to others mentality that people have to measure their own "success."

Exactly. Intellectually I know that I have so much ammo to push back with, but I don't care who has nicer stuff.

I feel sorry for my friend that his priorities are skewed. I'll keep working on him...

[infogoon]

Someone told me that driving a used minivan instead of a new SUV was grounds for taking away my "man card".

I told him that if he thinks a "man card" comes from something that can be purchased, maybe he should reconsider how he's defining "man".

[zolotiyeruki]

Someone told me that driving a used minivan instead of a new SUV was grounds for taking away my "man card".

I told him that if he thinks a "man card" comes from something that can be purchased, maybe he should reconsider how he's defining "man".

Ask him if he can fit 4x8 sheets of plywood in his SUV.  Then, when he admits that he can't, you can state that "buying a vehicle that can't haul plywood is grounds for taking away your man card."

[cheapass]

Someone told me that driving a used minivan instead of a new SUV was grounds for taking away my "man card".

I told him that if he thinks a "man card" comes from something that can be purchased, maybe he should reconsider how he's defining "man".

Maybe you can apply for your "man card" again when you're sitting around enjoying your financial independence/early retirement instead of being a wage slave.

[Kitsune]

Someone told me that driving a used minivan instead of a new SUV was grounds for taking away my "man card".

I told him that if he thinks a "man card" comes from something that can be purchased, maybe he should reconsider how he's defining "man".

... Every dude I've heard say this is also the kind of dude who gets an overpriced nonsense car 'to impress the ladies'. Y'know what impresses the ladies? Politeness, being treated like people, guys who have hobbies and actual life skills, and skills in... certain other areas. Guess it's easier to buy a new car than develop that... *snark*

[solon]

[Sibley]

Solon, I lived with someone who wanted to do that until a month ago. Meanwhile, I was freezing. I put a stop to that VERY quickly.

[BDWW]

Sleeping in cold room is good for you. A cold room with a blanket/pajamas is actually the optimal way to sleep.
http://time.com/3602415/sleep-problems-room-temperature/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-christopher-winter/best-temperature-for-sleep_b_3705049.html

[MgoSam]

I'll sometimes put the AC on something low like 60 when I'm staying at a hotel room.

[RWD]

Wow, we just started turning the thermostat down to 77 at night (had been 78). I think I'd get hypothermia at 60!

[JordanOfGilead]

I keep mine at 80 during the day to knock some of the humidity off. Turn it down to 76 at night if I'm feeling spendy

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[solon]

I didn't mean that I do that. I just saw it on Facebook!

[RetiredAt63]

I try to get the house really cool at night.  We have time of use pricing, so I never want to run the AC during the day.  If I get it cool enough at night and close the house up for the day, it stays coolish.  Cool nights the house will cool on its own.  Hot nights I run the AC

[With This Herring]

I find it very difficult to sleep without the weight of a blanket (and a room cool enough to tolerate one), so this I understand... *shamed*

[yourusernamehere]

I find it very difficult to sleep without the weight of a blanket (and a room cool enough to tolerate one), so this I understand... *shamed*

Same! I saw some click bait about a rope net blanket thing that gives you the weighty feeling without the heat, but I didn't click it. I do think about it sometimes when my husband is picking on my four blankets in the summer. Luckily I'm not in a warm location :-)

[JordanOfGilead]

I find it very difficult to sleep without the weight of a blanket (and a room cool enough to tolerate one), so this I understand... *shamed*

I have an open knitt blanket that I've had since I was a baby. I think it's a queen sized one ...
Anyway, it has the weight of a heavy sheet and allows airflow without sticking to my skin. Perfect for warm nights.

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Lots of spelling edits. For some reason my phone has been swapping out homophones lately.

[redbird]

Some of you people make me feel spendy. :( I don't bother changing my A/C temperature unless I'm going to be away. I have it set at 76.

FWIW, I used to keep it kept at 74. It was too cold for me but my husband liked it. Not long after moving into this house we adjusted to 76. He barely noticed the difference and appreciates the higher than expected savings. I appreciate not being cold all the time. I am definitely fine with going warmer, but it's a process. :) I'll try asking to go up to 77 or 78 soon.

[frooglepoodle]

Some of you people make me feel spendy. :( I don't bother changing my A/C temperature unless I'm going to be away. I have it set at 76.

FWIW, I used to keep it kept at 74. It was too cold for me but my husband liked it. Not long after moving into this house we adjusted to 76. He barely noticed the difference and appreciates the higher than expected savings. I appreciate not being cold all the time. I am definitely fine with going warmer, but it's a process. :) I'll try asking to go up to 77 or 78 soon.

We still go down to 74 at night. Lots of times we are running the AC as much to get the humidity out of the air inside as we are to cool the air. I find 77-78 pretty pleasant unless it's sticky (which it always is here in the summer).

[theadvicist]

This might be a stupid question (have never had AC) but would a dehumidifier help in that regard? We had a flood once, and used one to dry out carpets. As I say it may be a stupid question - perhaps they are as expensive to run as AC, or perhaps the mechanism for drying the air is actually exactly the same thing so they are interchangeable.

[zolotiyeruki]

This might be a stupid question (have never had AC) but would a dehumidifier help in that regard? We had a flood once, and used one to dry out carpets. As I say it may be a stupid question - perhaps they are as expensive to run as AC, or perhaps the mechanism for drying the air is actually exactly the same thing so they are interchangeable.

They work the same way, with one major difference:  after chilling the air (and removing the moisture), a dehumidifier dumps the heat back into the air, whereas an A/C system dumps the heat outside the house.

[JordanOfGilead]

This might be a stupid question (have never had AC) but would a dehumidifier help in that regard? We had a flood once, and used one to dry out carpets. As I say it may be a stupid question - perhaps they are as expensive to run as AC, or perhaps the mechanism for drying the air is actually exactly the same thing so they are interchangeable.

I hadn't even thought of that possibility... I wonder if a dehumidifier would be less expensive to run than the A/C. I'll have to look into it.

[Sibley]

This might be a stupid question (have never had AC) but would a dehumidifier help in that regard? We had a flood once, and used one to dry out carpets. As I say it may be a stupid question - perhaps they are as expensive to run as AC, or perhaps the mechanism for drying the air is actually exactly the same thing so they are interchangeable.

I hadn't even thought of that possibility... I wonder if a dehumidifier would be less expensive to run than the A/C. I'll have to look into it.

They generate a decent amount of heat. Counter productive for A/C replacement.

[BTDretire]

I ran a dehumidifier for a while. It made big difference, I could reduce the humidity to 40%, when I did that I could and did raise the temperature 4* to 5*F and I would still feel comfortable. If I didn't raise the temperature it was to cold.
 It is true that the area where I put the dehumidifier got hot, it was fitting against the air conditioner. I don't know where the saving would have been, running the air conditioner more or running the air less and the dehumidifier more.
 We ended up wih a new air conditioner and furnace, the new air conditioner does a much better job reducing humidity, sometimes 78*F feels to cool, especially on hot days when the air runs more.
 We also got a recall on our dehumidifier, the model had started some fires, so they paid us to cut of the cord and send it to them.

[dragoncar]

Sleeping in cold room is good for you. A cold room with a blanket/pajamas is actually the optimal way to sleep.
http://time.com/3602415/sleep-problems-room-temperature/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-christopher-winter/best-temperature-for-sleep_b_3705049.html

I would usually agree, but we've had a heatwave recently where the temp didn't drop below 75 at night (meaning it was like 80 in the room... usually it will get down in the 60s if we leave the windows open.  Best nights sleep I've had in a long time.  Not sure if I was just exhausted from the heat of the day or if the ceiling fan was really soothing


Somehow when I woke up to an 80 degree room in the morning, I felt cold!

[MrMoogle]

I keep my thermostat at 78 during the summer.  I bought a humidity sensor with a thermometer on it over the winter.  According to it, my apartment temperature fluctuates between 70 and 72 with the thermostat at 78.  My electricity bill is ~$30 a month, so I feel like I'm doing pretty good with it, but was surprised to see that I'm not really as badass as I had thought.

[BTDretire]

  Before we updated our furnace, air conditioner and thermostat, I had little battery operated circuit with a push switch. When I pushed the switch, it energized a relay that turned on the air conditioned for a set time. The air would run about two minutes then shut off.. So if I was hot I could push the switch and the air would run for a short time without a reset of the thermostat setting.
 In the winter I just moved a clip to a different position and it turned on the furnace for the set time.
 The new thermostat was more complicated and I never took the time to figure out how to use the circuit on it. Also the new air does a better job with humidity so I don't feel the need to give it a poke like I did.

[kelvin]

This might be a stupid question (have never had AC) but would a dehumidifier help in that regard? We had a flood once, and used one to dry out carpets. As I say it may be a stupid question - perhaps they are as expensive to run as AC, or perhaps the mechanism for drying the air is actually exactly the same thing so they are interchangeable.

I ran a dehumidifier for a while. It made big difference, I could reduce the humidity to 40%, when I did that I could and did raise the temperature 4* to 5*F and I would still feel comfortable. If I didn't raise the temperature it was to cold.
 It is true that the area where I put the dehumidifier got hot, it was fitting against the air conditioner. I don't know where the saving would have been, running the air conditioner more or running the air less and the dehumidifier more.
 We ended up wih a new air conditioner and furnace, the new air conditioner does a much better job reducing humidity, sometimes 78*F feels to cool, especially on hot days when the air runs more.
 We also got a recall on our dehumidifier, the model had started some fires, so they paid us to cut of the cord and send it to them.

I'm seconding this. I'll happily live with a dehumidifier instead of an AC, and I spend most of the summer with the AC unit set to "dehumidify". It helps that my landlord pays for electricity.

[slugline]

A friend posted today "according to the calculator, I can retire 5 years after I die"

I think I'll send him a link to MMM

I am sitting here stupidly trying to figure out how that is possible :D

A few years ago there was this bit making the rounds on social media about how Fidelity had noticed that the investors that did the best were the buy-and-hold types that didn't trade very often. The accounts that did the best of all belonged to deceased clients. Maybe JAYSLOL's friend is acknowledging that his accounts will only grow towards his goal when he is 100% forced to be a passive investor!

[Eludia]

The latest from trainwreck friend on FB that I've mentioned earlier:  A series of posts begging to borrow someones car for 3 weeks, for free of course (not sure what happened to hers, I am assuming it got repo'd), when no takers to that "Can I at LEAST get a free ride to court in county X, I need to be there tomorrow for an eviction hearing" aaaand then, does anyone have a room that can take us in for super super cheap.  Us is her, guy she cheated on hubby with, and EIGHT animals.

Oof.  That is something that scares me about having a kid.  I already have a dog and a husband, and it was much easier to imagine friends who could put me up for a week on their couch when it was just me.  Now that we're a much bigger package, it would be more difficult. 

How do you even keep track of eight animals?  Are they all goldfish???

I put up my friend and her 11 year old son in my one bedroom house for two weeks under exceptional circumstances (quake destroyed the city, including her house). It was a strain on everyone, especially as I was babysitting him most days because she was out trying to sort out more permanent accommodation. Later I found out she'd be bitching me out because I didn't give up my bed for them. No good deed goes unpunished, huh?

I guess she's not as good a friend as you thought. Sorry. :(

Yikes, I've helped out a ton of people only to have them snipe at me for such help. Like they've gone out of their way to praise me before, during, and after my help and then later I've heard that they've complained about it. That said, I believe that if they called me again in the same situation to ask for my help I likely would still be willing to help them.

You're a nicer person than me. I just can't be bothered with folk like that. Anyway, if you ever really need to sort the wheat from the chaff, friend-wise, have an earthquake! There were a few people that I considered good friends who showed their true nature during that period.

For real.  I've done well in life in general, better than anyone else in my or my wife's family or for that matter most of our circle of friends.  So naturally every time there is a problem people call us for help.  Worse than that, my wife used to call _them_ and offer to just fix things.  She is way too nice.  But after we've been burned just over and over and over, not so much anymore. 

We've loaned money probably 10 times, been paid back exactly only once over the course of years.  We've given people jobs, then have them demand more money, or a crazy schedule or that they need us to buy them a car so they can get to work.  (Yes really.)  We've put people up in our house, only to long overstay and bitch when we ask them to leave.  We've bought family members a car and a house.  (Yes really.)  We've paid for family vacations to Hawaii.  (Multiple times.)  We've paid for DisneyWorld vacations (multiple times).  None of these things ever worked out well for us.  Sure, in the moment its great for the giftee, then later comes resentment and expectation that we'll do this for them forever. 

Almost universally people are resentful at us because we're doing so well.  Then because we're doing so well, they feel like they don't ever need to thank us or repay us when we loan them money.  Then when we finally stop supporting them, they trash us to our other friends or family.  This has happened time and time again over almost 20 years.   

I've long been over helping anyone out anymore.  My wife is finally on board after years of us getting used and screwed over. 

Now I donate to ASPCA and the Humane Society. 

We're in our 40's, and so are most of our friends and siblings.  If you haven't got your shit together at this point I'm not fixing your shit for you.  If you can't get a loan at a bank why the hell should I become your bank? 

I've worked _incredibly_ hard to get where I am.  I was effectively retired at 27.  I had savings and built a company I ran 0 to 30 minutes a day that more than sustained us.  That was 14 years ago.  I lost everything 12 years ago because I bought family members a house and other family members a car and paid for all sorts of things for them and then the bottom fell out and we went broke.   I've had to go bankrupt and rebuild from 0.  Since then I've basically worked at least 2 gigs at once, 60+ hours a week the entire time to build up our savings again to make sure we NEVER go broke again.  I've succeeded and we're well on our way to FIRE in 4-5 years now. 

So long winded post, but my point is, be careful before you jump in to help friends or family.  It almost never goes well, there will be resentment at the very least on one side if not both.    A good friend of mine told me once "Not everyone will be happy for you."  It is so true. 

[farfromfire]

Yikes, I've helped out a ton of people only to have them snipe at me for such help. Like they've gone out of their way to praise me before, during, and after my help and then later I've heard that they've complained about it. That said, I believe that if they called me again in the same situation to ask for my help I likely would still be willing to help them.

You're a nicer person than me. I just can't be bothered with folk like that. Anyway, if you ever really need to sort the wheat from the chaff, friend-wise, have an earthquake! There were a few people that I considered good friends who showed their true nature during that period.

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We've loaned money probably 10 times, been paid back exactly only once over the course of years.  We've given people jobs, then have them demand more money, or a crazy schedule or that they need us to buy them a car so they can get to work.  (Yes really.)  We've put people up in our house, only to long overstay and bitch when we ask them to leave.  We've bought family members a car and a house.  (Yes really.)  We've paid for family vacations to Hawaii.  (Multiple times.)  We've paid for DisneyWorld vacations (multiple times).  None of these things ever worked out well for us.  Sure, in the moment its great for the giftee, then later comes resentment and expectation that we'll do this for them forever. 
...

Reminds me of the somewhat counter-intuitive Ben Franklin Effect:

He that has once done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged.

[Inaya]

For real.  I've done well in life in general, better than anyone else in my or my wife's family or for that matter most of our circle of friends.  So naturally every time there is a problem people call us for help.  Worse than that, my wife used to call _them_ and offer to just fix things.  She is way too nice.  But after we've been burned just over and over and over, not so much anymore. 

The emphasized bit was me until very recently. Now I will only help out if I am asked. No more offering to help of my own volition (especially in response to passive-aggressive woe-is-me Facebook posts). I can't completely turn off my impulse to help those I care about, but I will make them come to me and actually ask before I fling my money at their problems. Maybe then they'll appreciate it and actually bother to say thanks. (Probably not, but I can only handle one life lesson at a time here!) I've never expected to be paid back, but I draw the line at expecting me to pull out my credit card at meals without so much as a 'thank you.' 

I'm thankful I've managed to learn this lesson before it cost me more than a couple hundred dollars.

[MgoSam]

Yikes, I've helped out a ton of people only to have them snipe at me for such help. Like they've gone out of their way to praise me before, during, and after my help and then later I've heard that they've complained about it. That said, I believe that if they called me again in the same situation to ask for my help I likely would still be willing to help them.

You're a nicer person than me. I just can't be bothered with folk like that. Anyway, if you ever really need to sort the wheat from the chaff, friend-wise, have an earthquake! There were a few people that I considered good friends who showed their true nature during that period.

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We've loaned money probably 10 times, been paid back exactly only once over the course of years.  We've given people jobs, then have them demand more money, or a crazy schedule or that they need us to buy them a car so they can get to work.  (Yes really.)  We've put people up in our house, only to long overstay and bitch when we ask them to leave.  We've bought family members a car and a house.  (Yes really.)  We've paid for family vacations to Hawaii.  (Multiple times.)  We've paid for DisneyWorld vacations (multiple times).  None of these things ever worked out well for us.  Sure, in the moment its great for the giftee, then later comes resentment and expectation that we'll do this for them forever. 
...

Yeah that's a good point. I should clarify that to date I haven't significantly helped someone. I haven't given anyone anything more than a few hundred dollars or had anyone stay more than a few days. My kindness has limitations as I've seen from my dad what can happen when you are too kind. I may hate myself for a day when I refuse to help someone, but I would rather suffer for a day than suffer like my dad has.

[BayAreaFrugal]

Loosely paraphrased from a friend on facebook:

"I wasn't going to take a vacation this year because I'm broke, but I just found out that my company has really good discounts on cruises - $1100-1200 for a 7 day Alaskan cruise departing from Seattle, and then I'd just need a plane ticket to and from Seattle. Are there other costs or hidden fees with cruises I'm not factoring in though?"

60+ responses later and not one person has told her that $1100-1200 plus the cost of airfare is a ridiculously expensive vacation for someone who just deemed herself broke.

[cheapass]

Loosely paraphrased from a friend on facebook:

"I wasn't going to take a vacation this year because I'm broke, but I just found out that my company has really good discounts on cruises - $1100-1200 for a 7 day Alaskan cruise departing from Seattle, and then I'd just need a plane ticket to and from Seattle. Are there other costs or hidden fees with cruises I'm not factoring in though?"

60+ responses later and not one person has told her that $1100-1200 plus the cost of airfare is a ridiculously expensive vacation for someone who just deemed herself broke.

Buying an elephant for a dime is a good deal ONLY if

a) you need an elephant AND
b) you have a dime

[ariapluscat]

A former co-worker told me about a year ago that he was saving for a house downpayment in our crazy Portland market. I was glad for him (he makes good money and has a pretty low rent currently) and so we talked about having to stop shopping and buying tech stuff (we're both nerds but he really worships at the altar of Apple).

Since then his instagram has been a constant stream of cutesy nerd stuff, Apple product of the week (watches, new phone, cases), dinners out, upgrades to his aquarium, etc etc etc. I finally asked after he posted a pic of his new Apple AirPods (MSRP $159) if he was still planning to buy a house. He got mad and said this one purchase wasn't going to stand between him and buying a house.

I really need to learn to shut my mouth!

He got mad, because he knows you are right!

Well, on the surface, he's right... ONE purchase isn't the problem. He's mad because it's more like one every few days, and yeah, that WILL come between him and a house and he doesn't want to be reminded of it.

Sad thing is, once he finally realizes it, meals will have been eaten and depreciating apple products bought and there won't be much to show for it.

if he doesn't collect the boxes and packages, you could suggest selling them! apparently, there's a real market for them. i sold the box for my iphone really quickly on ebay. it doesn't justify the purchase, but if he's going to buy anyway...

[marielle]

if he doesn't collect the boxes and packages, you could suggest selling them! apparently, there's a real market for them. i sold the box for my iphone really quickly on ebay.

what? WHAT? For EMPTY boxes?

And people COLLECT them?

There are a lot of absurd things in this thread, but man...that one really gets to me. Excuse me, I need to go list something on ebay (don't worry, I didn't buy it, it's from my work phone).

I think it's because when you have the box you can sell the iPhone or whatever gadget for more. So if the box is $5 but you get an extra $15 it's worth it. Maybe there's another reason but I doubt it...

[Lauran75]

if he doesn't collect the boxes and packages, you could suggest selling them! apparently, there's a real market for them. i sold the box for my iphone really quickly on ebay.

what? WHAT? For EMPTY boxes?

And people COLLECT them?

There are a lot of absurd things in this thread, but man...that one really gets to me. Excuse me, I need to go list something on ebay (don't worry, I didn't buy it, it's from my work phone).

I think it's because when you have the box you can sell the iPhone or whatever gadget for more. So if the box is $5 but you get an extra $15 it's worth it. Maybe there's another reason but I doubt it...

Hmm... I may have one or two empty iPhone boxes. I would have never thought of selling them!

[AnnaGrowsAMustache]

if he doesn't collect the boxes and packages, you could suggest selling them! apparently, there's a real market for them. i sold the box for my iphone really quickly on ebay.

what? WHAT? For EMPTY boxes?

And people COLLECT them?

There are a lot of absurd things in this thread, but man...that one really gets to me. Excuse me, I need to go list something on ebay (don't worry, I didn't buy it, it's from my work phone).

I think it's because when you have the box you can sell the iPhone or whatever gadget for more. So if the box is $5 but you get an extra $15 it's worth it. Maybe there's another reason but I doubt it...

Maybe people sell the fakes in the real boxes.

[mustachepungoeshere]

When I was helping my in-laws downsize last year I discovered one of their linen cupboards was full of every box for every phone and every laptop and every tablet every member of the family had owned for more than 10 years.

This included the period where FiL went through four in a year (dropped one in the pool, had another come out of a shirt pocket while riding his motorbike, etc).

Shocking waste of space and money.

[ducky19]

if he doesn't collect the boxes and packages, you could suggest selling them! apparently, there's a real market for them. i sold the box for my iphone really quickly on ebay.

what? WHAT? For EMPTY boxes?

And people COLLECT them?

There are a lot of absurd things in this thread, but man...that one really gets to me. Excuse me, I need to go list something on ebay (don't worry, I didn't buy it, it's from my work phone).

I think it's because when you have the box you can sell the iPhone or whatever gadget for more. So if the box is $5 but you get an extra $15 it's worth it. Maybe there's another reason but I doubt it...

Maybe people sell the fakes in the real boxes.

I went to eBay once to buy a new lighter, buy they only had 12,479 matches...