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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9400 on: September 08, 2022, 10:33:14 PM »
It really irks me if Merrill Lynch has been snooping at my accounts. I would like to complain to someone but not sure if I have a leg to stand on. The way they operate seems sleezy. They leave a message saying they are Joe Blow from Merrill Lynch and want me to call them at their office. First of all, how do I know they are not scammers? Like I am going to divulge financial information to a stranger over the phone or email! Ridiculous! On top of that, they are located in another state an hour away. Why would I travel out of state to do business when I could do it closer by? I am getting very angry thinking about this!
Condolences on being bugged. I get pestered for investing all the time from Chase.

I have no particular love for BoA.

However, I moved my IRAs over to Merrill Edge (not Lynch) from Vanguard. It's the discount broker arm and still affiliated with BoA.

Why? Well, they literally paid me $800 to do so - and BoA continues to pay me. If you set up the BoA preferred rewards thing, you get bonus cash back on your credit cards. Linked Merrill Edge balances (even in an IRA) count. I'm completely no fee at Merrill Edge, with some stupid number of free trades a month. I'm still in my Vanguard ETFs - I just did an "in kind" transfer from Vanguard. Literally no cost to turbo charge my credit card cash back.

That's why I get 3.5% back at Costco and the grocery store. And 5.25% back on online shopping. I just use the correct (free) BoA "Cash Rewards" credit card. Base rewards would be 2%/3% - but the top tier of preferred rewards increases the cash back by 75%.
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9401 on: September 09, 2022, 05:29:53 PM »
We keep our project seed money at Chase. At first they bugged the shit out of us to let them "manage" our money. It took a couple of strongly worded conversations to get them to stop bugging us. Things were fine until the branch manager left. New branch manager started bugging us. Next time we needed something in the bank we went and politely told him to fuck off, and he did.

Then we spent most of the money on a new project and...crickets. Nice!

Let me know if you need someone to manage your crickets for you.  I know an iguana who would be very interested

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9402 on: September 19, 2022, 04:01:52 PM »
It really irks me if Merrill Lynch has been snooping at my accounts. I would like to complain to someone but not sure if I have a leg to stand on. The way they operate seems sleezy. They leave a message saying they are Joe Blow from Merrill Lynch and want me to call them at their office. First of all, how do I know they are not scammers? Like I am going to divulge financial information to a stranger over the phone or email! Ridiculous! On top of that, they are located in another state an hour away. Why would I travel out of state to do business when I could do it closer by? I am getting very angry thinking about this!
Condolences on being bugged. I get pestered for investing all the time from Chase.

I have no particular love for BoA.

However, I moved my IRAs over to Merrill Edge (not Lynch) from Vanguard. It's the discount broker arm and still affiliated with BoA.

Why? Well, they literally paid me $800 to do so - and BoA continues to pay me. If you set up the BoA preferred rewards thing, you get bonus cash back on your credit cards. Linked Merrill Edge balances (even in an IRA) count. I'm completely no fee at Merrill Edge, with some stupid number of free trades a month. I'm still in my Vanguard ETFs - I just did an "in kind" transfer from Vanguard. Literally no cost to turbo charge my credit card cash back.

That's why I get 3.5% back at Costco and the grocery store. And 5.25% back on online shopping. I just use the correct (free) BoA "Cash Rewards" credit card. Base rewards would be 2%/3% - but the top tier of preferred rewards increases the cash back by 75%.

When does the top tier kick in? Do you have a link to the complete set up you are using?

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9403 on: September 20, 2022, 06:20:03 PM »
It really irks me if Merrill Lynch has been snooping at my accounts. I would like to complain to someone but not sure if I have a leg to stand on. The way they operate seems sleezy. They leave a message saying they are Joe Blow from Merrill Lynch and want me to call them at their office. First of all, how do I know they are not scammers? Like I am going to divulge financial information to a stranger over the phone or email! Ridiculous! On top of that, they are located in another state an hour away. Why would I travel out of state to do business when I could do it closer by? I am getting very angry thinking about this!
Condolences on being bugged. I get pestered for investing all the time from Chase.

I have no particular love for BoA.

However, I moved my IRAs over to Merrill Edge (not Lynch) from Vanguard. It's the discount broker arm and still affiliated with BoA.

Why? Well, they literally paid me $800 to do so - and BoA continues to pay me. If you set up the BoA preferred rewards thing, you get bonus cash back on your credit cards. Linked Merrill Edge balances (even in an IRA) count. I'm completely no fee at Merrill Edge, with some stupid number of free trades a month. I'm still in my Vanguard ETFs - I just did an "in kind" transfer from Vanguard. Literally no cost to turbo charge my credit card cash back.

That's why I get 3.5% back at Costco and the grocery store. And 5.25% back on online shopping. I just use the correct (free) BoA "Cash Rewards" credit card. Base rewards would be 2%/3% - but the top tier of preferred rewards increases the cash back by 75%.

When does the top tier kick in? Do you have a link to the complete set up you are using?
The top tier kicks in when you're over $100k. Note that it's a rolling 3-month average (with several weeks of banker delay). 6-8 weeks after you have your funds in BoA/Merrill Edge make sure to sign up for Preferred Rewards and it will automatically raise your tier each month after you have transferred in your funds (IRA works fine.)

https://www.bankofamerica.com/preferred-rewards/

This is the credit card I use: https://secure.bankofamerica.com/apply-credit-cards/public/icai-single/#/info/ - note the $200 signup bonus ;)

I chose "online shopping" for the 3% cash back, Costco/Sams and Grocery are automatically 2%.

However, with the top Preferred Rewards tier, it becomes 4.5% cash back for online shopping and 3.5% for Costco/Sams/Grocery.

I believe you can change your 3% category once a month. I haven't been doing much travel, dining, drug stores or home improvement, so I just leave it as online shopping.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9404 on: September 20, 2022, 07:15:27 PM »
Thanks TomTX. I don't spend a ton, but 3.5% is definitely better than the 2% I'm getting now. Just need to decide if it's worth rolling things over. BOA does host the AK air credit card which I also use some.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9405 on: September 20, 2022, 08:36:44 PM »
Thanks TomTX. I don't spend a ton, but 3.5% is definitely better than the 2% I'm getting now. Just need to decide if it's worth rolling things over. BOA does host the AK air credit card which I also use some.
Happy to help. Keep in mind that Merrill Edge will pay you to transfer assets in. Looks like the current best offer is $350 for $100k, $750 for $200k transferred. I think they had the $1k offer up some years back when I transferred my IRAs. NOTE: If you transfer multiple accounts to hit $200k, you probably need them to manually link the accounts for the full bonus. That's what I did (Traditional and Roth).

https://www.doctorofcredit.com/merrill-edge-brokerage-up-to-1000-cash-bonus-for-moving-over-your-investments/

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« Reply #9406 on: September 21, 2022, 05:26:36 PM »


However, I moved my IRAs over to Merrill Edge (not Lynch) from Vanguard. It's the discount broker arm and still affiliated with BoA.

Why? Well, they literally paid me $800 to do so - and BoA continues to pay me. If you set up the BoA preferred rewards thing, you get bonus cash back on your credit cards. Linked Merrill Edge balances (even in an IRA) count. I'm completely no fee at Merrill Edge, with some stupid number of free trades a month. I'm still in my Vanguard ETFs - I just did an "in kind" transfer from Vanguard. Literally no cost to turbo charge my credit card cash back.

That's why I get 3.5% back at Costco and the grocery store. And 5.25% back on online shopping. I just use the correct (free) BoA "Cash Rewards" credit card. Base rewards would be 2%/3% - but the top tier of preferred rewards increases the cash back by 75%.

When does the top tier kick in? Do you have a link to the complete set up you are using?
[/quote] The top tier kicks in when you're over $100k. Note that it's a rolling 3-month average (with several weeks of banker delay). 6-8 weeks after you have your funds in BoA/Merrill Edge make sure to sign up for Preferred Rewards and it will automatically raise your tier each month after you have transferred in your funds (IRA works fine.)

https://www.bankofamerica.com/preferred-rewards/

This is the credit card I use: https://secure.bankofamerica.com/apply-credit-cards/public/icai-single/#/info/ - note the $200 signup bonus ;)

I chose "online shopping" for the 3% cash back, Costco/Sams and Grocery are automatically 2%.

However, with the top Preferred Rewards tier, it becomes 4.5% cash back for online shopping and 3.5% for Costco/Sams/Grocery.

I believe you can change your 3% category once a month. I haven't been doing much travel, dining, drug stores or home improvement, so I just leave it as online shopping.
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Fun fact - gas purchases using a gas app code as online purchases and gas for BoA. I use phillips 66 (they offer 10-13 cents off per gallon for using the app) and lucked into a transaction reporting as that so I switched it over to online to double dip.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9407 on: September 23, 2022, 08:59:04 AM »
We are spending money to make our old home much more energy efficient, including solar panels, heat pump, etc etc. We are taking out a loan (@1,8%) for some of it, but are also spending money out of our own pocket. We'll get 1/3 of the cost back in the form of subsidies but only after we've completed the work. In the mean time, I really need to beef up our slush fund temporarily. To do so I just cancelled my ETF direct debit. I don't expect to be investing again until next summer. To get a completely passive house that is almost entirely self-sufficient for electricity, water and heat, partially paid for through subsidies and a 1,8% interest loan (fixed rate for 20 years) I may not be able to invest money at the complete bottom of the market this time :(

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« Reply #9408 on: September 23, 2022, 09:01:45 AM »
Look at the bright side, I don't think it will be the botom ;)

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« Reply #9409 on: September 23, 2022, 09:46:35 AM »
Look at the bright side, I don't think it will be the botom ;)

I'm also starting to think it's going to be a bit longer than the average 18 months from top to bottom this time .....  Another positive note is that a few years of this inflation will reduce my mortgage by a lot (already affordable and much lower than home value, and fixed at 1,8% for 20 years). My job also gets more secure when the economy is doing badly.

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« Reply #9410 on: September 23, 2022, 11:21:27 AM »
We are spending money to make our old home much more energy efficient, including solar panels, heat pump, etc etc. We are taking out a loan (@1,8%) for some of it, but are also spending money out of our own pocket. We'll get 1/3 of the cost back in the form of subsidies but only after we've completed the work. In the mean time, I really need to beef up our slush fund temporarily. To do so I just cancelled my ETF direct debit. I don't expect to be investing again until next summer. To get a completely passive house that is almost entirely self-sufficient for electricity, water and heat, partially paid for through subsidies and a 1,8% interest loan (fixed rate for 20 years) I may not be able to invest money at the complete bottom of the market this time :(

I'm doing the same thing.  This is one of those cases where I'd say it's fair to view it as an investment and not an expense.

You're taking on inexpensive debt in an inflationary environment for projects with a positive financial return that also happen to protect you from inflationary risks.

In my case, getting my house to fully net-zero turned out to be a rounding error in terms of FI timelines.  And it somewhat protects me over the long term when inflation risk is factored in.  So why not?

I honestly believe that a decade from now, one of the differences between those considered "wealthy" vs. "poor" will be whether they have the means to avoid reliance on fossil fuels.  As some of these decarbonization projects get underway (particularly the big industrial ones), the fixed infrastructure related to hydrocarbons is going to get VERY expensive when compared to the amount of energy delivered. 

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9411 on: September 30, 2022, 11:40:47 AM »
Here's my MPP:  I want to direct transfer some investments into Vanguard from another broker, so that it'll be easy to then donate the appreciated shares to my DAF, for the tax deduction.  My MPP is that the old broker won't do an electronic transfer, and I have to get a Medallion Signature Guarantee.  No problem, thinks I, I'll just hop down to my local Chase bank, where we bank, and they'll take care of it.

Silly me.  Apparently, Chase will do medallions, but not if there's no change in ownership.  It's a company policy.  Note:  the MSG is basically a guarantee from the bank that the funds you want to transfer actually exist, and that you have the authority to transfer them.  I don't know enough to understand why Chase would have a policy that seems rather arbitrary.

Alright, I thought to myself.  I'll just open an account with our local credit union, since I've heard such a recommendation elsewhere.  I try calling the CU, but their phone system is purely automated.  No way to talk to a human to ask if they offer that service.  So I drove to a branch to ask in person, and found out that they don't offer that service.

The simple way to do this whole thing would be to redeem all of the shares, but the point of doing all of this is to minimize my taxes, and redeeming the shares would be a taxable event.

Plan C is to call up our "local" Citibank and see if they can help me out.
EDIT:  Called Citibank.  They'll do it if you've had a checking or savings account for 90 days.  Since I'm trying to do this in 2021, that rules them out.  Plan D is to donate some less-appreciated shares from my Vanguard account.
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9412 on: September 30, 2022, 11:45:28 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that no bank issues said guarantee, ever.

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« Reply #9413 on: September 30, 2022, 12:39:53 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that no bank issues said guarantee, ever.

I got one from first republic back when treasury direct required it for everyone

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« Reply #9414 on: September 30, 2022, 03:47:30 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that no bank issues said guarantee, ever.

I got one from first republic back when treasury direct required it for everyone

My bank (a regional bank, not one of the big national ones) will do it for their own customers. I know only because I happened to be at the bank when the person being helped next to me asked for a medallion signature guarantee. They weren't a bank customer so the answer was "no".

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« Reply #9415 on: September 30, 2022, 07:28:28 PM »
I got one recently from Fidelity.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #9416 on: October 01, 2022, 04:20:00 PM »
I bought two pounds of sliced turkey for sandwiches when I had recent house guests and nobody ate any! So I've been eating fat turkey sandwiches for the last 14 days.

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« Reply #9417 on: October 01, 2022, 10:11:17 PM »
I bought two pounds of sliced turkey for sandwiches when I had recent house guests and nobody ate any! So I've been eating fat turkey sandwiches for the last 14 days.

Deli meat generally freezes quite well.

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« Reply #9418 on: October 03, 2022, 12:27:01 PM »
I refuse to upgrade the version of office I use, so I just spent the whole day switching 3 email accounts out of Outlook and onto Thunderbird. Probably followed in the future by switching the parent's.

Am too cheap to justify buying office JUST for outlook.

There is another email program (open-source) called Evolution. I use it for my work emails. Love it better than my employer's supplied Outlook. It has all the features I need.

https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/

Not sure if there is a Windows version or not. I'm on Linux and use Evolution (work only) and Thunderbird (personal only).

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« Reply #9419 on: October 03, 2022, 05:33:18 PM »
I refuse to upgrade the version of office I use, so I just spent the whole day switching 3 email accounts out of Outlook and onto Thunderbird. Probably followed in the future by switching the parent's.

Am too cheap to justify buying office JUST for outlook.

There is another email program (open-source) called Evolution. I use it for my work emails. Love it better than my employer's supplied Outlook. It has all the features I need.

https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/

Not sure if there is a Windows version or not. I'm on Linux and use Evolution (work only) and Thunderbird (personal only).

But why would I switch again? Yeah, there are some elements of Thunderbird that I dislike, but that's going to be the case with any email program.

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« Reply #9420 on: October 03, 2022, 08:28:49 PM »
Stock market had its “best day since April” the very day a cash infusion hit my account and I was planning to buy ETFs.

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« Reply #9421 on: October 04, 2022, 12:10:59 PM »
I've had a bunch of my coworkers complaining about their massive increase of electric and natural gas (for heating). While I can give some sympathy I can't really relate because I still have 2 of a 3 year contract with a fixed rate (at a quarter of the current going rate). I also got back €600-ish because my usage was over-estimated, and my solar did better than expect, as did my windmill-shares.

Being mustachian is not having money per se but knowing what to do with money, and having options when when to do it - I'd say.

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« Reply #9422 on: October 04, 2022, 09:29:51 PM »
I've had a bunch of my coworkers complaining about their massive increase of electric and natural gas (for heating). While I can give some sympathy I can't really relate because I still have 2 of a 3 year contract with a fixed rate (at a quarter of the current going rate). I also got back €600-ish because my usage was over-estimated, and my solar did better than expect, as did my windmill-shares.

Being mustachian is not having money per se but knowing what to do with money, and having options when when to do it - I'd say.

Similar situation here.  I've invested heavily in energy efficiency and electrification over the past year or so.  My bills are essentially flat while everyone else's gas bill has more than doubled and electric costs are up over 20%.

I do have to sometimes remind myself that a flat bill is still a win in this situation.

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« Reply #9423 on: October 25, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
We're seeing a substantial income bump this year, and for the first time, we'll be maxing out our 401k contributions.  I was supposed to hit that point with my bonus in August, but for some reason, the payroll company stopped short.  Now I have to figure out what's going on and get things back on track.

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« Reply #9424 on: October 25, 2022, 01:47:31 PM »
MPP:
My capital gains harvesting isn't going to plan.
Sold at 75 , now at 72, so I'm missing out on 3 dollars of capital gains harvest in the future.

[whines, stomps foot, temper tantrum worthy of a 5 year old]

I just LOL-ed!  Then thought how much I love this forum, because there is no one in my real life who would understand this much less think it funny.

Happened again!
 Sold at 73, now at 65 so missing out on 6 dollars of capital gains harvest in the future. 
I haven't bought back in yet.  Waiting for a higher point to buy is so weird.
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« Reply #9425 on: October 25, 2022, 06:45:32 PM »
So, I've been so proud of being able to max out 401k + 457 + IRA contributions for 2 years running.

I'm not sure I can continue in 2023 because that's the year I turn 50 and get access to catchup contributions. $67.5k available contribution space.

Eeek!

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« Reply #9426 on: October 25, 2022, 07:12:07 PM »
So, I've been so proud of being able to max out 401k + 457 + IRA contributions for 2 years running.

I'm not sure I can continue in 2023 because that's the year I turn 50 and get access to catchup contributions. $67.5k available contribution space.

Eeek!

Yeah, that's a problem that just won't get you one single whit of sympathy with regular folks.

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« Reply #9427 on: October 26, 2022, 03:17:53 AM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)

Second, they clearly could not have had a savings rate above 10% if the increase means they are in the negative. If I point that out and sometimes add they should try to save, also in other areas, they say: It's impossible to save with minimum wage!
To which I then answer that I live on 20% less than minimum wage (yesterday got an 166€ manga packed from Japan, so wasteful!) and I get ghostet. Why???

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« Reply #9428 on: October 26, 2022, 07:09:21 AM »
I recently became eligible for the 401(k) at work and wanted to put as much in as I could in the remainder of this tax year. It's been awhile since I've had access to a 401(k) and its higher contribution limit, so I was excited.

I won't be able to hit the max, but I wanted to put every penny I had in my paycheck towards the 401(k). HR helped me sign up for the contribution, and I selected the max contribution allowed in our system: 80%. (At that point, I'm wondering why I can't do 100% of my net paycheck, but I go with the 80%).

Unfortunately, my next paycheck comes, and instead of 80% being taken out, what's been taken out is $0!

I follow up with HR--it turns out that it was 80% of gross, which was more money than was available given other deductions for taxes, health insurance, etc. So the system defaulted to $0. Why would it do that instead of putting in as much as it could??

Responses I have gotten:
-Can't you just invest in an IRA?
-I told you 80% was too much.

Hopefully I've fixed it for the next paycheck, but grrr it's frustrating that I missed out on this last one!

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« Reply #9429 on: October 26, 2022, 07:24:05 AM »
Been there, done that. Can you specify a dollar amount instead of a percentage? Also HR needs to fix the error, not wait until next time, so this pay period isn't list. They may be reluctant to, but if you had been overpaid, they'd figure it out in a heartbeat.

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« Reply #9430 on: October 26, 2022, 07:35:42 AM »
Thanks, Dicey. That's exactly what I did--specified a dollar amount for the next paycheck. I conveyed to HR that I was upset about this and asked if we could fix it. They sent it up the HR food chain, so we'll see what blows back. But that's a really good point that they would fix it if they were motivated to, so I will press on it!

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« Reply #9431 on: October 26, 2022, 07:51:45 AM »
Thanks, Dicey. That's exactly what I did--specified a dollar amount for the next paycheck. I conveyed to HR that I was upset about this and asked if we could fix it. They sent it up the HR food chain, so we'll see what blows back. But that's a really good point that they would fix it if they were motivated to, so I will press on it!
Yeesh, reading this post practically gave me flashbacks. I had so many problems with this in my working years. I also used to cut off tax withholding every year when I got to the amount that had been owed the previous year.* It was a struggle every damn year. I created a form letter with instructions that I just changed the date on. They thought I was crazy. Ten years post-FIRE, they're all still working or dead. You know things worked out a little differently for me ;-)

*I was on straight commission and lumpy paychecks led to huge over withholding. My first year, I claimed 10 deductions and still got a 10% of my gross earnings tax refund, gah! It took me awhile to "train" HR, but it was worth the effort. BTW, the withholding strategy was suggested by my CPA, who's worth his [significant] weight in gold.

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« Reply #9432 on: October 26, 2022, 07:59:07 AM »
This happened the first year my husband became eligible for a 401k (mid-year).  I think he did ask first if he could do 100% after all other deductions, and they didn't know the answer, or really even understand the question.  It turned out that, no, it would be 100% of the gross pay.  Obviously dollar amount is better, but we didn't know what that would be in advance.

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« Reply #9433 on: October 26, 2022, 05:23:57 PM »
Oh, thank goodness for you mustachian peeps who understand these MPPs, @Dicey and @charis--although I'm sorry you guys had to experience these frustrations, too!

HR knew what I wanted to do & literally helped me sign up. They clearly never had anyone trying to contribute so much before & tried to discourage me from doing it, actually.

If IRA's and 401(k)'s didn't have separate contribution limits, with 401(k)'s being so much higher, it wouldn't be as big of an issue. It makes me feel so powerless to depend on my employer to be able to contribute my own dang money.

I wish health insurance and retirement accounts could just be totally decoupled from employment!

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« Reply #9434 on: October 26, 2022, 06:13:02 PM »
Part of the problem is they have to leave room for deductions, which can be variable. For example, our healthcare was deducted from the first check of the month and dental (much smaller) was deducted from the second. Typically they'll set a limit of something like 75-80% to make sure there's room for all the other things.

The other issue is they are simply not used to dealing with people who know how to save money. My HR totally thought I was nuts.

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« Reply #9435 on: October 26, 2022, 06:26:16 PM »
HR knew what I wanted to do & literally helped me sign up. They clearly never had anyone trying to contribute so much before & tried to discourage me from doing it, actually.

Looking back now I seriously wonder if maxing out my 401k reduced the size of my raises at my first job. I didn't realize then that the size of raise could be negotiable and when HR saw I was maxing out my retirement accounts they wrongly concluded that I wasn't that motivated by money... After a couple of years I forced the issue and got my salary caught back on par, but it never felt quite right there again.

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« Reply #9436 on: October 26, 2022, 06:41:21 PM »
My tiny company and even tinier HR/payroll really can't handle variability. Luckily, I've been able to just set a level percentage.

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« Reply #9437 on: October 27, 2022, 07:13:22 AM »
I have a question related to the increases that are available once you turn 50 in 401(k) plans. So, my husband does a 403B and also has an individual Roth 401(k). It’s my understanding that the catch-up provisions theoretically allow him to put 30k total in each account. This is also my understanding that employer contributions in the 403B count towards the 61K cap. 457 contributions, which also have a catch-up provision, do not count towards the 61K cap.

 I’ve emailed our accountant, but he has not gotten back to us. Anyone care to weigh in?

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« Reply #9438 on: October 27, 2022, 09:02:09 AM »
I have a question related to the increases that are available once you turn 50 in 401(k) plans. So, my husband does a 403B and also has an individual Roth 401(k). It’s my understanding that the catch-up provisions theoretically allow him to put 30k total in each account. This is also my understanding that employer contributions in the 403B count towards the 61K cap. 457 contributions, which also have a catch-up provision, do not count towards the 61K cap.

 I’ve emailed our accountant, but he has not gotten back to us. Anyone care to weigh in?

What's the 61K cap?

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« Reply #9439 on: October 27, 2022, 09:15:18 AM »
I've come to the conclusion that no bank issues said guarantee, ever.

I got one from first republic back when treasury direct required it for everyone

My bank (a regional bank, not one of the big national ones) will do it for their own customers. I know only because I happened to be at the bank when the person being helped next to me asked for a medallion signature guarantee. They weren't a bank customer so the answer was "no".
Just because that's their policy, doesn't mean that MSGs are actually attainable. I've been trying to get one for an inherited stock plan, and it seems that you need to check off all the boxes, and find a branch/employee that actually does them (which they don't tell you online or at a corporate level, you have to call each individual branch), and hope that the person who has the certifications is willing to do it that day. Oh, and you need a super-recent account statement to verify the value, so there's a very small time window to get it done each time you receive a statement.

I talked to my estate attorney about this, and she said that she has other clients whose probate process has been held up for over a year, just trying to chase down a @!#$@% Medallion for one little account just like this...

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« Reply #9440 on: October 27, 2022, 12:39:41 PM »
@charis, there is a 61k cap on contributions to 401k plans. That is, assuming I am reading and understanding everything correctly. So, I think that the two plans, 403b and Roth 401k can’t exceed 61k in employer and employee contributions.

I mean, I hope we can have enough money to max it all!

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« Reply #9441 on: October 27, 2022, 03:00:08 PM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)

Second, they clearly could not have had a savings rate above 10% if the increase means they are in the negative. If I point that out and sometimes add they should try to save, also in other areas, they say: It's impossible to save with minimum wage!
To which I then answer that I live on 20% less than minimum wage (yesterday got an 166€ manga packed from Japan, so wasteful!) and I get ghostet. Why???

If the situation in DE is anything similar to NL, I definitely understand how some people get in trouble. I don't feel sorry at all for rich people with a big TV in every room and a jacuzzi in the garden, and there's no need to put the heat on 24C. But prices have gone up so massively it's no surprise that people are feeling the hurt. We are very frugal and our own bills went up from €75 to €340/month and our groceries cost around €10 more every week. That's a lot. We can afford it but we don't have kids.

But if you're on a low income (for example, a single person on government assistance at net €1050 per month, or on minimum wage at net €1600 per month) it's hard. I'm also a frugal person but if you have some money saved up, living on a lower amount is much easier than really living on benefits or minimum wage. For example, if you live on a really low income you're likely renting, and most landlords do very little maintenance because there's always been a housing shortage in NL, beggars can't be choosers so the units get rented out anyway. So many rental houses are very energy inefficient. It doesn't matter if the house has single glazing because the landlord won't pay the bills. A frugal homeowner such as myself has made their home energy efficient. My friend is renting a house so damp, the landlord actually put it in her lease that she's obligated to heat the house to at least 16C. She can't afford that, if she gets caught she's facing eviction (she's been looking for another place for two years but it's hard as a single person on disability).

Also, many people on low incomes, such as my friend, have health issues which not only mean they can't work at all or only parttime, but it also means they often have high medical costs. If you're on a low income you get about €100 in healthcare subsidies from the government, but that doesn't help a lot if you're spending €300. Personally, I also have health issues and I pay even more than that out of pocket every month, and I don't get any special expensive care. Just my travel costs for the medical treatment that keeps me alive (literally) is like €40/month, then there's insurance, copays, medication my insurance doesn't cover, dentist and occasional physical therapy.

So, no, those people never managed to save 10% and now in a short period of time their energy bills have tripled and groceries have become massively more expensive, while minimum wage and benefits only go up once a year. It's a challenge for a lot of people and in my neighbourhood I've seen a massive increase in poverty in a very short period of time.

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« Reply #9442 on: October 28, 2022, 03:19:01 AM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)

Second, they clearly could not have had a savings rate above 10% if the increase means they are in the negative. If I point that out and sometimes add they should try to save, also in other areas, they say: It's impossible to save with minimum wage!
To which I then answer that I live on 20% less than minimum wage (yesterday got an 166€ manga packed from Japan, so wasteful!) and I get ghostet. Why???

But if you're on a low income (for example, a single person on government assistance at net €1050 per month, or on minimum wage at net €1600 per month) it's hard.
I live on not much more than assistance. Way less than the new minimum wage of 12€/hour.

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My friend is renting a house so damp, the landlord actually put it in her lease that she's obligated to heat the house to at least 16C.
That's a standard clause in Germany (though could be 12 or 14, in my case it's 14) to prevent mold and that is acutally a bigger problem for insulated houses since the walls don't let water through.

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Also, many people on low incomes, such as my friend, have health issues which not only mean they can't work at all or only parttime, but it also means they often have high medical costs.
Yeah, of course there are people who are hit hard, single parents with several children for example - but the people complaining the loudest (which I am refering here to) in most case are not parents or don't feel like they are, since they never mention expenses for children.

Those who are really hit hard don't have time to complain on twitter is my guess.

What I do see complaining are people with an max 3 year old SUV, or they complain about heating their SFH or that they can no longer afford a vacation or going out to eat after they paid 40€+ per person for a concert 200km away and a hotel stay.

What I see are not people who have problems putting food on the table (they seldom mention it like a truly poor person would), but people who are used to luxuries they bought in the past that were way above their income (from an MMM POV) and are now whining that they no longer can afford it.
I was on assistance in various constellations for a decade too. I know what it means when you have "no money left", those people clearly have not, they just spend too much, and that is why I can't understand them.
And I can't even punch them in the face!

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« Reply #9443 on: October 28, 2022, 07:17:38 AM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)
I'm guessing you still have a long-running contract? I'm still on 25ct per kWh with about 2000kWh last year in usage which includes heating and hot-water and solar production already subtracted. If I was on some of the more expensive contracts (which you can't sign for long-term in NL at the moment) I'd have to pay close to a full €1 per kWh.

What I expect is that lower income families are less diligent in finding the cheapest contract and typically won't take a long-term contract. That said, long term contracts has been unavailble in NL since about april so anyone who's contract is finished  in that timeframe gets verky high tariffs.

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« Reply #9444 on: October 28, 2022, 08:49:09 AM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)
I'm guessing you still have a long-running contract? I'm still on 25ct per kWh with about 2000kWh last year in usage which includes heating and hot-water and solar production already subtracted. If I was on some of the more expensive contracts (which you can't sign for long-term in NL at the moment) I'd have to pay close to a full €1 per kWh.

What I expect is that lower income families are less diligent in finding the cheapest contract and typically won't take a long-term contract. That said, long term contracts has been unavailble in NL since about april so anyone who's contract is finished  in that timeframe gets verky high tariffs.

I am not sure what you mean with long term contracts. Those don't run out here. But prices can change anytime. I am on 32 cents. The cheapest I could currently get is 60 cent. Means 35€ more per month, not exactly leg breaking. Many people pay more for their phone contract just to get the latest model.

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« Reply #9445 on: October 28, 2022, 10:20:50 AM »
I have problems understanding all the people fretting over the high heating etc. prices here in Germany.

One, I often can't fathom how they even got so high monthly rates anyway. (Though it did make me appreciate how fucking wasteful SFH are, when people paying per month what I pay in a year.)
I'm guessing you still have a long-running contract? I'm still on 25ct per kWh with about 2000kWh last year in usage which includes heating and hot-water and solar production already subtracted. If I was on some of the more expensive contracts (which you can't sign for long-term in NL at the moment) I'd have to pay close to a full €1 per kWh.

What I expect is that lower income families are less diligent in finding the cheapest contract and typically won't take a long-term contract. That said, long term contracts has been unavailble in NL since about april so anyone who's contract is finished  in that timeframe gets verky high tariffs.

I am not sure what you mean with long term contracts. Those don't run out here. But prices can change anytime. I am on 32 cents. The cheapest I could currently get is 60 cent. Means 35€ more per month, not exactly leg breaking. Many people pay more for their phone contract just to get the latest model.

In NL, most people lock in their rate for a set amount of time. I always got a 1 year contract, which most people do, I think, although some people lock their rates in for 3 or 5 years.

My one year contract expired in February so I've been on the variable rate ever since (no company offers a long term fixed rate now). For electricity I pay €0,89 per kwH now and natural gas is €3,44 per cubic meter. Plus the fixed cost of being on the net (nearly €1 per day) plus taxes. I totally get why people can't afford that.

I'm not on twitter so I have no idea if rich people who could easily cut back are complaining there, I'm just reporting what I see among my friends and family. A lot of people I know have fallen from "low income but just about manageable" to food and heat insecurity in a matter of months. My friends with kids notice that way more of their kids' friends don't get fed properly at home. They'll skip breakfast and maybe get a sandwich or pot noodles for dinner and much less fruit, vegetables and protein than they used to get because those categories have become very expensive. A local church here runs a soup kitchen and it used to be mainly for the homeless, but now I see people in the line who look just like you and me (I walk past it when I go home from work). The food pantry around the corner is much busier than last year, but their food parcels are getting smaller because of the high demand.

One of my friends (the one who needs to turn the heating to 16 according to her rental contract, which is not standard here - most rental contracts say 12) has actually turned off the heater completely, so she doesn't even have hot water now. Just by turning it on, the heater burns nearly 1 cubic meter of gas per day, it's a very old model. The house has single pane glazing and literal holes in the wall, if the landlord is so concerned about mold then he should do maintenance. Her house hasn't been updated since the 60s. So just by turning it off she saves like €1300 per year.

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« Reply #9446 on: October 28, 2022, 12:15:18 PM »
I just spoke with my friend in Germany and she told me the large apartment complexes have taken to shut off hot water at six in the evening. Electricity is at a premium.
She owns a nice, big three-story house and tells me her oil price has tripled and yet she's only locked into that price until January and worries it may go up from there.
Being retired she could no longer live on just her "Rente" sort of the equivalent of the American Social Security. If she didn't have other assets she couldn't even hold onto her own house, much less live well.
She's a true penny pincher but even a penny pincher (who is retired and lives on a fixed income) cannot withstand and absorb such sky-high increases. 

So yeah, @Imma owning your own home and being able to outfit it with energy-efficient measures and keeping up with maintenance is a huge plus.
Not just for personal comfort but for your ability to have money left to save and live a decent lifestyle.

@LennStar  - you have a point, however,
People who lived on the fringe and barely made it and those who happily spent whatever extra they had available are hit the hardest.
Reduced income due to forced essential spending is a real thing one is allowed to groan about:).
IMO this isn't a time to gloat because we are MMMrs and have had time and enough knowledge to bolster our defenses and feather our financial nests.

Anyone can learn to manage their money better. It is never too late.
Who is to say that the children of those thoughtless spenders are not getting a lesson in how not to handle their own finances in the future?

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« Reply #9447 on: October 30, 2022, 04:03:34 AM »
Being retired she could no longer live on just her "Rente" sort of the equivalent of the American Social Security.
Not quite. If it's the normal state "Rente" then it's more like an insurance - you paid during your work time and get out a percentage of the income of today's working income. Though because of demographics it's been with added general tax income for years.
There is a "Sozialrente" if that state pension and other incomes is not enough - that is a social security thing.

And speaking of social security (for workign age) it used to be that heating and warm water were paid for as you paid, up to a certain amount.
With a doubling or even tripling of that amount, everyone will be breaking that ceiling. I wonder how this will be handles. I would have linked it to the energy use of the house anyway long ago (it's law for a decade or so that every renter has to get a "Energieausweise" - a one-pager listing the propable energy use based on type of the house, insulation etc.
But I guess if you did that it would turn out people on social security are not wasting energy and you lose a point you can feel superior about the lazyasses...

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Reduced income due to forced essential spending is a real thing one is allowed to groan about:).
Yeah, but as I said those don't seem to be complaining.
It more seems to be gigh middle income spendypants and the same people who last year complained about Fridays for Future and that the kids should go back to shool and earn money before they can tell people they should change their life and use up less ressources.

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« Reply #9448 on: October 30, 2022, 08:13:11 PM »
I'm not thrilled about some of these comments. Lack of empathy isn't a good thing.

Children have no control over the family budget, and yet they're more vulnerable to cold and poor food than their parents. The elderly may have been shitty at managing money but they're also far more vulnerable to the cold. Not being able to afford heat WILL kill some of them, especially if they're also stinting on food.

Skyrocketing energy prices have a real, human cost. No one deserves to shiver in theirs beds, unable to stay warm. Even if they're terrible with managing money.

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« Reply #9449 on: October 31, 2022, 08:02:06 AM »
Being retired she could no longer live on just her "Rente" sort of the equivalent of the American Social Security.
Not quite. If it's the normal state "Rente" then it's more like an insurance - you paid during your work time and get out a percentage of the income of today's working income. Though because of demographics it's been with added general tax income for years.
There is a "Sozialrente" if that state pension and other incomes is not enough - that is a social security thing.

And speaking of social security (for workign age) it used to be that heating and warm water were paid for as you paid, up to a certain amount.
With a doubling or even tripling of that amount, everyone will be breaking that ceiling. I wonder how this will be handles. I would have linked it to the energy use of the house anyway long ago (it's law for a decade or so that every renter has to get a "Energieausweise" - a one-pager listing the propable energy use based on type of the house, insulation etc.
But I guess if you did that it would turn out people on social security are not wasting energy and you lose a point you can feel superior about the lazyasses...

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Reduced income due to forced essential spending is a real thing one is allowed to groan about:).
Yeah, but as I said those don't seem to be complaining.
It more seems to be gigh middle income spendypants and the same people who last year complained about Fridays for Future and that the kids should go back to shool and earn money before they can tell people they should change their life and use up less ressources.

I think that American social security works exactly like Rente - it's an insurance and you get what you pay for, if you don't pay in, you don't get anything.  What we think of as social security here in Europe is what Americans call welfare. Now heating costs are such a big news item, I've learned that some sort of subsidy for heating is part of welfare or old age pensions in many countries! Sounds very generous, we never had anything like that in NL. Our welfare is not generous at all. It's really a struggle, designed to be so uncomfortable that not claiming it is the easier option.

Right now our government has decided that from January, energy companies have to charge 2019 prices for electric / gas use up to the use of an "average" household and anything over that, they can charge market prices. That sounds great (my bills will get a lot lower) but it's not actually helping the people who need it most, such as low income people living in cheap rentals, which are often not insulated at all so use much more energy than the "average" household, or people who have a low income because of a disability and use more energy because of their disability (such as charging electric wheelchairs or mobility scooters, kidney dialysis equipment or equipment that helps them breathe) . But it will be a great help to working class and lower middle class households with children, for them this will be making the difference between making ends meet and not making it.

@LennStar Maybe it's also because we're in different countries. It would be quite taboo here for newspapers to publish woe-is-me articles about people who can't afford to charge their brand-new Tesla's anymore. Obviously there will always be people nitpicking over other people's budget (such as why are they eating anything but rice and beans) but most of the people I see in those articles really are in deep poverty with no easy way out. Even MMM has claimed in one of his old articles that his methods work best for people who have lots of disposable income but waste it, not for those truly on the poverty line. Although I think he did do a case study once about someone who was actually working poor. For those with lots of disposable income, a period like this might be a lesson: let's be more frugal with energy, let's use the bike instead of the car, let's take the train instead of the car. But for many people this is an extremely difficult period.

@Sibley I get what you mean. Honestly, I feel like a lot of people here don't have first-hand experience of living in poverty. I know a lot of people here are of the "nothing needed but rice, beans and water" school, too. I've always been frugal, I've never been in debt, I've always found creative ways to make ends meet, but living an extremely spartan lifestyle when it's not a choice and not something you know is temporary is hard and it's not an experience that somehow makes you a better person.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!