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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #5200 on: May 16, 2018, 01:41:06 PM »
Local supermarket seems to be phasing out the cheapo brand of oats to devote more shelf space to their store brand. Shelf is empty half of the time. They also increased the price. Not too long ago it was €0.39/lbs and now it's €0,45/lbs. Store brand is about €0,90/lbs. If I can't find a reasonably priced alternative elsewhere it seems the price of my breakfast is about to double. I did clear out the shelf today when they finally had some packages in stock (all 4 of them) so I'll have a few weeks to find an alternative.

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« Reply #5201 on: May 16, 2018, 03:02:11 PM »
Local supermarket seems to be phasing out the cheapo brand of oats to devote more shelf space to their store brand. Shelf is empty half of the time. They also increased the price. Not too long ago it was €0.39/lbs and now it's €0,45/lbs. Store brand is about €0,90/lbs. If I can't find a reasonably priced alternative elsewhere it seems the price of my breakfast is about to double. I did clear out the shelf today when they finally had some packages in stock (all 4 of them) so I'll have a few weeks to find an alternative.

other stores? including any ethnic stores or bulk purchase?

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« Reply #5202 on: May 16, 2018, 03:07:41 PM »
I can't find it again, but I just read an article about how ridiculous it is to expect anyone to live on $2k/month after taxes, housing, student loans and savings.

The other day, it was an article about how unfair student loans were after attending a private school and defaulting for a couple of years to attend a foreign university for grad school.

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« Reply #5203 on: May 16, 2018, 04:29:55 PM »
My fatness is increasing as a consequence of purchasing (and feeling obligated to eat) too many snack bars from a salvage store at approx $0.01 per item.

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« Reply #5204 on: May 16, 2018, 06:07:11 PM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).

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« Reply #5205 on: May 16, 2018, 07:43:17 PM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

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« Reply #5206 on: May 17, 2018, 01:45:41 AM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

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« Reply #5207 on: May 17, 2018, 05:19:44 AM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

That is annoying, I apologize. Sometimes you have to use a recipe within a recipe. "Cream of" soups are another one that frequently pops up that you can substitute.

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« Reply #5208 on: May 17, 2018, 06:33:12 AM »
For the last year, I've been keeping up with an Amazon wish list of things I would like, but can't bring myself around to purchase myself. Anytime I'm asked for a gift idea for Christmas/Birthday, I refer them to the list. Well, since my graduation is coming up, a few people have asked what I would like and I referred them to my list. On the list at the time was a card game - ~25, board game ~fifty dollars, a box of tea around 9 dollars, and a handheld vacuum cleaner for the car for 19 dollars. Apparently none of these gifts were "good enough", so I added a new fit bit at 125. Thankfully one family member realized that I'm harder to shop for now, and just opted into cash... which I spent on a different but similar card game, which will be awesome because we'll be together this coming week and play that together. The other family member that prompted me to add something "better" likely got me the fitbit.

But, it just makes me wonder... why ask me what I would like, and then disapprove of my choices?

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« Reply #5209 on: May 17, 2018, 06:50:49 AM »
For the last year, I've been keeping up with an Amazon wish list of things I would like, but can't bring myself around to purchase myself. Anytime I'm asked for a gift idea for Christmas/Birthday, I refer them to the list. Well, since my graduation is coming up, a few people have asked what I would like and I referred them to my list. On the list at the time was a card game - ~25, board game ~fifty dollars, a box of tea around 9 dollars, and a handheld vacuum cleaner for the car for 19 dollars. Apparently none of these gifts were "good enough", so I added a new fit bit at 125. Thankfully one family member realized that I'm harder to shop for now, and just opted into cash... which I spent on a different but similar card game, which will be awesome because we'll be together this coming week and play that together. The other family member that prompted me to add something "better" likely got me the fitbit.

But, it just makes me wonder... why ask me what I would like, and then disapprove of my choices?

There's a funny knock-on effect of not having lists for things -- people just give you cash or a gift card.

We didn't register anywhere for our wedding (years ago) because I already had an apartment (husband was in the military) so we didn't actually NEED a toaster or towels or anything -- I had that stuff. Everyone gave us cash. (Though honestly, we didn't expect anything -- cards are nice.) And it paid for the rest of the reception and the honeymoon. Bonus!

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« Reply #5210 on: May 17, 2018, 08:50:34 AM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?
You guys are all jerks.

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« Reply #5211 on: May 17, 2018, 09:15:32 AM »
For the last year, I've been keeping up with an Amazon wish list of things I would like, but can't bring myself around to purchase myself. Anytime I'm asked for a gift idea for Christmas/Birthday, I refer them to the list. Well, since my graduation is coming up, a few people have asked what I would like and I referred them to my list. On the list at the time was a card game - ~25, board game ~fifty dollars, a box of tea around 9 dollars, and a handheld vacuum cleaner for the car for 19 dollars. Apparently none of these gifts were "good enough", so I added a new fit bit at 125. Thankfully one family member realized that I'm harder to shop for now, and just opted into cash... which I spent on a different but similar card game, which will be awesome because we'll be together this coming week and play that together. The other family member that prompted me to add something "better" likely got me the fitbit.

But, it just makes me wonder... why ask me what I would like, and then disapprove of my choices?

There's a funny knock-on effect of not having lists for things -- people just give you cash or a gift card.

We didn't register anywhere for our wedding (years ago) because I already had an apartment (husband was in the military) so we didn't actually NEED a toaster or towels or anything -- I had that stuff. Everyone gave us cash. (Though honestly, we didn't expect anything -- cards are nice.) And it paid for the rest of the reception and the honeymoon. Bonus!
Yeah, I used to do wish-lists for Xmas, and encouraged my faimly to do the same. I also had an approximate dollar-amount in mind for each family member in order to keep things "fair" (this may be what the fitbit-purchaser was thinking of as well). Both practices led to overspending ("oops, I bought too much for brother X, got to buy another item for brother Y", etc.) and hard feelings (when someone didn't buy/gift what they were "supposed to" from someone else's list).

Now we just do gift cards and/or cash, combined with boxes & bags of consumables[1] and minor trinkets just to have something under the tree. We all know roughly what we all like, and it's stuff that we can use year after year.

[1 - mostly booze and chocolate :) ]

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« Reply #5212 on: May 17, 2018, 10:09:38 AM »
Could have taken time off in April but waited until May. Why? salary increases went into effect May 1st. I get paid old PTO at new rate.


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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #5213 on: May 17, 2018, 11:30:58 AM »
You guys are all jerks.

LOL

Poor, maligned ketchup.
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« Reply #5214 on: May 17, 2018, 11:34:01 AM »
For the last year, I've been keeping up with an Amazon wish list of things I would like, but can't bring myself around to purchase myself. Anytime I'm asked for a gift idea for Christmas/Birthday, I refer them to the list. Well, since my graduation is coming up, a few people have asked what I would like and I referred them to my list. On the list at the time was a card game - ~25, board game ~fifty dollars, a box of tea around 9 dollars, and a handheld vacuum cleaner for the car for 19 dollars. Apparently none of these gifts were "good enough", so I added a new fit bit at 125. Thankfully one family member realized that I'm harder to shop for now, and just opted into cash... which I spent on a different but similar card game, which will be awesome because we'll be together this coming week and play that together. The other family member that prompted me to add something "better" likely got me the fitbit.

But, it just makes me wonder... why ask me what I would like, and then disapprove of my choices?

There's a funny knock-on effect of not having lists for things -- people just give you cash or a gift card.

We didn't register anywhere for our wedding (years ago) because I already had an apartment (husband was in the military) so we didn't actually NEED a toaster or towels or anything -- I had that stuff. Everyone gave us cash. (Though honestly, we didn't expect anything -- cards are nice.) And it paid for the rest of the reception and the honeymoon. Bonus!

Eg, we didn’t register for our wedding and did get a lot of cash gifts.  But we also got a lot of unsolicited straight up consumer junk with no way to exchange.  Probably depends on who your friends/family are though- my family has a tradition of regifting the same unopened packages of chocolate for decades.  Pity the fool who finally opens the 20 year old nut cluster

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« Reply #5215 on: May 17, 2018, 11:34:56 AM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?
You guys are all jerks.

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« Reply #5216 on: May 17, 2018, 03:00:04 PM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

I make my own tartar sauce by blending mayo with a small amount of relish.

-- the relish is home made, but the mayo is store bought -- no sense making mayo from scratch --   Is that homemade or not?  HMMM.

--- I just looked up barbeque sauce recipes, and you are right, which is crazy because I have three cookbooks with barbeque sauce recipes in them and less than 40% of the recipes include ketchup (but one does use tomatoe soup. ick).  Most tomato based ones do start with tomato paste... is that ok? - and the 1977 canning book does use actual tomatoes for bbq sauce.

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« Reply #5217 on: May 17, 2018, 04:01:30 PM »
My new-ish canning book has barbecue sauce recipes that start with tomatoes, also several ketchup recipes. I have made mayonnaise before but not relish or tartar sauce. I want to try it now.

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« Reply #5218 on: May 17, 2018, 05:06:15 PM »
My new-ish canning book has barbecue sauce recipes that start with tomatoes, also several ketchup recipes. I have made mayonnaise before but not relish or tartar sauce. I want to try it now.

Ooooh, I made tartar sauce once, while in a country where tartar sauce was either insanely expensive or unavailable, and the ingredients to make it were easy to find and regular price. It was DELICIOUS. Now my mouth is watering...

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« Reply #5219 on: May 17, 2018, 06:47:54 PM »
My new-ish canning book has barbecue sauce recipes that start with tomatoes, also several ketchup recipes. I have made mayonnaise before but not relish or tartar sauce. I want to try it now.

Ooooh, I made tartar sauce once, while in a country where tartar sauce was either insanely expensive or unavailable, and the ingredients to make it were easy to find and regular price. It was DELICIOUS. Now my mouth is watering...

Any chance you remember the recipe?

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« Reply #5220 on: May 17, 2018, 10:23:37 PM »
My new-ish canning book has barbecue sauce recipes that start with tomatoes, also several ketchup recipes. I have made mayonnaise before but not relish or tartar sauce. I want to try it now.

Ooooh, I made tartar sauce once, while in a country where tartar sauce was either insanely expensive or unavailable, and the ingredients to make it were easy to find and regular price. It was DELICIOUS. Now my mouth is watering...

Any chance you remember the recipe?

I don't remember exactly, and we modified it a bunch based on ingredients we already had (lime juice instead of lemon for example). Mostly it was mayo, chopped pickled, salt, pepper, and maybe some other herbs. I remember it being incredibly simple.

Also, the sauce was good, but it was eaten with Mahi mahi we caught that afternoon so I'm sure the delicious fish helped too. :p

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« Reply #5221 on: May 18, 2018, 12:24:58 AM »
Could have taken time off in April but waited until May. Why? salary increases went into effect May 1st. I get paid old PTO at new rate.
But did this actually make a difference in total amount of money received?

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« Reply #5222 on: May 18, 2018, 12:29:25 AM »
Could have taken time off in April but waited until May. Why? salary increases went into effect May 1st. I get paid old PTO at new rate.
But did this actually make a difference in total amount of money received?

It’s minimal but it’s the principle of the thing. lol.

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« Reply #5223 on: May 18, 2018, 05:54:55 AM »
I can't use some retirement calculators (like Smart Asset's) because they won't let me put that high of a savings rate...

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« Reply #5224 on: May 18, 2018, 07:52:07 AM »
I had an interview with a recruiter today and it's always a struggle how to justify wanting to work parttime at a young age (27).  I started working at 19 and haven't worked fulltime after the age of 22. At my age you're supposed to be desperate to work as much as possible to progress in your career, pay off all your debts and buy a lot of stuff. 

If you say you don't want to work fulltime, you sound spoilt and unambitious.
If you say you don't need to work fulltime, you sound a bit smug, unambitious and living off family / husband's money.

I am actually quite ambitious, but I've noticed quantity and quality of work do not improve if you work more hours. I'm much more interested in specializing in my field rather than going into sales or management or general consultancy, even if those are more "desirable" and well paid.

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« Reply #5225 on: May 18, 2018, 08:46:03 AM »
I had an interview with a recruiter today and it's always a struggle how to justify wanting to work parttime at a young age (27).  I started working at 19 and haven't worked fulltime after the age of 22. At my age you're supposed to be desperate to work as much as possible to progress in your career, pay off all your debts and buy a lot of stuff. 

If you say you don't want to work fulltime, you sound spoilt and unambitious.
If you say you don't need to work fulltime, you sound a bit smug, unambitious and living off family / husband's money.

I am actually quite ambitious, but I've noticed quantity and quality of work do not improve if you work more hours. I'm much more interested in specializing in my field rather than going into sales or management or general consultancy, even if those are more "desirable" and well paid.

I find "filling the time" explanations work really well. I help out with my husband's business! I have [volunteer role] at [charitable organization]. It explains how I fill my time otherwise, and makes it seems less weird to people. =)

But yeah, there with you on this one!

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« Reply #5226 on: May 18, 2018, 08:57:53 AM »
Could have taken time off in April but waited until May. Why? salary increases went into effect May 1st. I get paid old PTO at new rate.
But did this actually make a difference in total amount of money received?

It’s minimal but it’s the principle of the thing. lol.

I think his point is that even though you got paid out PTO at a higher rate, the flip side is that you chose to work an equivalent amount of time at a lower rate.  If you work 40 hr, and get 40 hr PTO, does it really matter which is at a higher rate?  It should add up to the same in the end either way.

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« Reply #5227 on: May 19, 2018, 10:18:37 PM »

It’s minimal but it’s the principle of the thing. lol.

I think his point is that even though you got paid out PTO at a higher rate, the flip side is that you chose to work an equivalent amount of time at a lower rate.  If you work 40 hr, and get 40 hr PTO, does it really matter which is at a higher rate?  It should add up to the same in the end either way.

Oops! I just realized I said PTO. Anniversary bonus days. Not related to PTO.

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« Reply #5228 on: May 20, 2018, 06:32:50 AM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

I make my own tartar sauce by blending mayo with a small amount of relish.

-- the relish is home made, but the mayo is store bought -- no sense making mayo from scratch --   Is that homemade or not?  HMMM.

--- I just looked up barbeque sauce recipes, and you are right, which is crazy because I have three cookbooks with barbeque sauce recipes in them and less than 40% of the recipes include ketchup (but one does use tomatoe soup. ick).  Most tomato based ones do start with tomato paste... is that ok? - and the 1977 canning book does use actual tomatoes for bbq sauce.

I've tried making mayo at home, and it was a disaster. Supposedly it's relatively easy, but not for me, apparently.

I'm much more okay with tomato paste, because it's a single ingredient/flavour, so I can have a good idea how to substitute for it if need be. Ketchup is a whole recipe unto itself, with a non-standard combination of tomato/vinegar/spices that I don't know how to re-create if I want to build all those flavours into my bbq sauce.


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« Reply #5229 on: May 20, 2018, 02:39:35 PM »
We've been waiting for dishwasher detergent to go on sale, checking every week when we go shopping. Well it finally went on sale this week but they were out of stock...

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« Reply #5230 on: May 20, 2018, 03:54:50 PM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

I make my own tartar sauce by blending mayo with a small amount of relish.

-- the relish is home made, but the mayo is store bought -- no sense making mayo from scratch --   Is that homemade or not?  HMMM.

--- I just looked up barbeque sauce recipes, and you are right, which is crazy because I have three cookbooks with barbeque sauce recipes in them and less than 40% of the recipes include ketchup (but one does use tomatoe soup. ick).  Most tomato based ones do start with tomato paste... is that ok? - and the 1977 canning book does use actual tomatoes for bbq sauce.

I've tried making mayo at home, and it was a disaster. Supposedly it's relatively easy, but not for me, apparently.

I'm much more okay with tomato paste, because it's a single ingredient/flavour, so I can have a good idea how to substitute for it if need be. Ketchup is a whole recipe unto itself, with a non-standard combination of tomato/vinegar/spices that I don't know how to re-create if I want to build all those flavours into my bbq sauce.

Yeah, I'm not as big a purist as I may have implied.  I don't make my own mayo, either.  It's just that I was specifically looking for recipes "from scratch" that don't include ketchup, because we don't keep it around the house, and if I was going to go buy ketchup I might as well just buy BBQ sauce.  We do have tomato paste, since that's a single, partially processed, ingredient. 

I know you can make ketchup, too, which I may do someday if I really really want it.  The only thing I put it on is burgers, though, so I think I could get away with a poor-man's special sauce using tomato paste, mayo, vinegar, sugar, and maybe even some Dijon (which I also don't make from scratch).
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« Reply #5231 on: May 20, 2018, 08:35:16 PM »
When watching "life hack" videos using things that "everyone has at home" they often use stuff I actually don't have at home :(

When I look up recipes for “bbq sauce from scratch” and the first ingredient is ketchup.... :(

The ketchup thing REALLY bothers me. I mean, if I wanted to use a pre-made sauce, I'd just buy BBQ sauce in a bottle. But clearly I don't, which is why I'm looking for recipes. I still have yet to find a recipe that doesn't start with ketchup (though, to be honest, I haven't bothered in a long while).
You could make the ketchup yourself

You can, but it bothers me that ketchup is considered a scratch ingredient.  Like when people buy a box of cake mix and apply a can of frosting.  It's more effort than just buying a cake, but is it really from scratch?

I make my own tartar sauce by blending mayo with a small amount of relish.

-- the relish is home made, but the mayo is store bought -- no sense making mayo from scratch --   Is that homemade or not?  HMMM.

--- I just looked up barbeque sauce recipes, and you are right, which is crazy because I have three cookbooks with barbeque sauce recipes in them and less than 40% of the recipes include ketchup (but one does use tomatoe soup. ick).  Most tomato based ones do start with tomato paste... is that ok? - and the 1977 canning book does use actual tomatoes for bbq sauce.

I've tried making mayo at home, and it was a disaster. Supposedly it's relatively easy, but not for me, apparently.

I'm much more okay with tomato paste, because it's a single ingredient/flavour, so I can have a good idea how to substitute for it if need be. Ketchup is a whole recipe unto itself, with a non-standard combination of tomato/vinegar/spices that I don't know how to re-create if I want to build all those flavours into my bbq sauce.

Yeah, I'm not as big a purist as I may have implied.  I don't make my own mayo, either.  It's just that I was specifically looking for recipes "from scratch" that don't include ketchup, because we don't keep it around the house, and if I was going to go buy ketchup I might as well just buy BBQ sauce.  We do have tomato paste, since that's a single, partially processed, ingredient. 

I know you can make ketchup, too, which I may do someday if I really really want it.  The only thing I put it on is burgers, though, so I think I could get away with a poor-man's special sauce using tomato paste, mayo, vinegar, sugar, and maybe even some Dijon (which I also don't make from scratch).
We make a really good bbq sauce from scratch, no ketchup required. I googled “naturally sweetened bbq sauce” as my wife doesn’t eat processed sugar. Lots of no ketchup recipes that way

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« Reply #5232 on: May 21, 2018, 09:32:29 AM »
Getting out of the BBQ sauce foam....

My MPP for the day is:   DD (age 4) threw a tantrum today because she wanted to get home by walking --> subway --> subway (line change) --> bus --> walking, and Did Not Want to Take a Taxi...in the rain...during rush hour. Entire taxi ride consisted of her screaming, "I don't! I don't! I don't!...I don't want to take a taxi! I don't!"

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« Reply #5233 on: May 21, 2018, 09:48:41 AM »
Getting out of the BBQ sauce foam....

My MPP for the day is:   DD (age 4) threw a tantrum today because she wanted to get home by walking --> subway --> subway (line change) --> bus --> walking, and Did Not Want to Take a Taxi...in the rain...during rush hour. Entire taxi ride consisted of her screaming, "I don't! I don't! I don't!...I don't want to take a taxi! I don't!"

OMG. This is why I don't have children. I'd probably strangle the kid.

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« Reply #5234 on: May 21, 2018, 10:35:34 AM »
My MPP for the day is:   DD (age 4) threw a tantrum today because she wanted to get home by walking --> subway --> subway (line change) --> bus --> walking, and Did Not Want to Take a Taxi...in the rain...during rush hour. Entire taxi ride consisted of her screaming, "I don't! I don't! I don't!...I don't want to take a taxi! I don't!"

Isn't that an anti-MPP since you paid for a taxi instead of spending two hours in the rain on some byzantine public transit journey to save $3? ;-) 

On the flip side, my local subway wasn't running uptown all weekend, so I took the bus through Manhattan for 60 blocks and ended up in a vehicle with no less than 5 children between about 1-3 years of age, ranging from "random baby shrieking" to "incessantly climbing all over the parents" to "making loud ambulance siren noises the entire time". It turns out there is really no winning the game of "how to get my small child home".

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« Reply #5235 on: May 21, 2018, 10:48:26 AM »
My MPP for the day is:   DD (age 4) threw a tantrum today because she wanted to get home by walking --> subway --> subway (line change) --> bus --> walking, and Did Not Want to Take a Taxi...in the rain...during rush hour. Entire taxi ride consisted of her screaming, "I don't! I don't! I don't!...I don't want to take a taxi! I don't!"

Isn't that an anti-MPP since you paid for a taxi instead of spending two hours in the rain on some byzantine public transit journey to save $3? ;-) 

On the flip side, my local subway wasn't running uptown all weekend, so I took the bus through Manhattan for 60 blocks and ended up in a vehicle with no less than 5 children between about 1-3 years of age, ranging from "random baby shrieking" to "incessantly climbing all over the parents" to "making loud ambulance siren noises the entire time". It turns out there is really no winning the game of "how to get my small child home".
It's amazing the different cultural attitudes to children on public transport.  I'll never forget one crowded bus journey in the Andes when a local woman with a baby and 3 pre-schoolers got on, took the seat next to me and promptly gave me the baby to look after so she could manage the other 3. 

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« Reply #5236 on: May 21, 2018, 11:26:53 AM »
Haha, I would have been shocked if someone handed me a baby! I would have promptly given it back!

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« Reply #5237 on: May 21, 2018, 11:32:44 AM »
We got on a train, after a transatlantic flight, in Italy with our then-18 month old, who was tired and fussy, and a college-aged woman came up and offered to bounce him for a few minutes. When we looked around, he was making the rounds of the entire train car, sitting on a lap here, getting bounced there, basically getting passed from hand to hand.

Italy: land of "we love children, but don't have many ourselves." Loved it!

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« Reply #5238 on: May 21, 2018, 09:37:06 PM »
On our transatlantic flight with a 21 month old, people were kind enough to offer us pills of unknown origin to make our child stop screaming. She never did stop screaming. We got no smiles at the end of the flight.

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« Reply #5239 on: May 21, 2018, 10:02:33 PM »
On our transatlantic flight with a 21 month old, people were kind enough to offer us pills of unknown origin to make our child stop screaming. She never did stop screaming. We got no smiles at the end of the flight.

I would have smiled at you.

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2) person reeking of secondhand smoke or BO
3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby

You can (and I do) travel with 33db earplugs. Or noise cancelling earphones if I feel like it. You can work around #5. As far as I’m concerned if you don’t prep for that when you travel then it’s your own failure as an adult.
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« Reply #5240 on: May 21, 2018, 10:05:40 PM »
It's amazing the different cultural attitudes to children on public transport.  I'll never forget one crowded bus journey in the Andes when a local woman with a baby and 3 pre-schoolers got on, took the seat next to me and promptly gave me the baby to look after so she could manage the other 3.

I would take a stranger’s baby over holding a pissed-off rooster. One of the girls I backpacked with in college told a story that had me in stitches but I’m glad I didn’t live it.

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« Reply #5241 on: May 22, 2018, 01:12:47 AM »
On our transatlantic flight with a 21 month old, people were kind enough to offer us pills of unknown origin to make our child stop screaming. She never did stop screaming. We got no smiles at the end of the flight.

Maybe the child couldn't pop it's ears. That hurts a lot and I can understand the screaming.

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« Reply #5242 on: May 22, 2018, 02:19:26 AM »
I would have smiled at you.

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2) person reeking of secondhand smoke or BO
3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby


I think you got 4 wrong. 

I was recently on a long haul flight in the middle of the day (take off 10am) and a guy near us had an absolute nightmare.

The person in front of him dropped their seat back to full recline as soon as we got in the air.  It was one of the new boeing planes and in economy when the seat in front is reclined, it completely wipes out your leg room and puts your screen on a near horizontal angle about 5 inches from your face.  It seems like it's meant for overnight flights when everyone wants to sleep.

Despite repeated pleas from both the cabin crew and the poor guy who now had literally zero space.. the other passenger refused to even put it half way back up.  This might not sound like a big deal but the guy couldn't even eat his meal because there wasn't enough room for the tray table to go down. 

He had the patience of a saint, I don't think I'd have been able to deal with that for 11 hours.

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« Reply #5243 on: May 22, 2018, 07:10:00 AM »
Since a few months I have been borrowing books from the library. A brilliant system. But I am tempted to buy some of the books, to be able to write my own notes in it on a subject that I am learning. But at least, now I can try them out before buying them. And I will buy second hand.

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« Reply #5244 on: May 22, 2018, 07:32:05 AM »
I would have smiled at you.

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3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby


I think you got 4 wrong. 

I was recently on a long haul flight in the middle of the day (take off 10am) and a guy near us had an absolute nightmare.

The person in front of him dropped their seat back to full recline as soon as we got in the air.  It was one of the new boeing planes and in economy when the seat in front is reclined, it completely wipes out your leg room and puts your screen on a near horizontal angle about 5 inches from your face.  It seems like it's meant for overnight flights when everyone wants to sleep.

Despite repeated pleas from both the cabin crew and the poor guy who now had literally zero space.. the other passenger refused to even put it half way back up.  This might not sound like a big deal but the guy couldn't even eat his meal because there wasn't enough room for the tray table to go down. 

He had the patience of a saint, I don't think I'd have been able to deal with that for 11 hours.

I blame the airlines for that. They've rearranged seating on planes to maximize profit, but they haven't changed the seats to prevent them reclining past the point that would be acceptable to the person sitting behind them.

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« Reply #5245 on: May 22, 2018, 08:25:57 AM »
I would have smiled at you.

Top 5 worst passengers
1) person reeking of perfume
2) person reeking of secondhand smoke or BO
3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby


I think you got 4 wrong. 

I was recently on a long haul flight in the middle of the day (take off 10am) and a guy near us had an absolute nightmare.

The person in front of him dropped their seat back to full recline as soon as we got in the air.  It was one of the new boeing planes and in economy when the seat in front is reclined, it completely wipes out your leg room and puts your screen on a near horizontal angle about 5 inches from your face.  It seems like it's meant for overnight flights when everyone wants to sleep.

Despite repeated pleas from both the cabin crew and the poor guy who now had literally zero space.. the other passenger refused to even put it half way back up.  This might not sound like a big deal but the guy couldn't even eat his meal because there wasn't enough room for the tray table to go down. 

He had the patience of a saint, I don't think I'd have been able to deal with that for 11 hours.
Having been on dozens of long haul flights on all sorts of carriers and aircrafts, I have never once seen a situation as you describe.

Economy seats never recline very much, and unless one is really, really overweight, or really, really tall, there is no way to end up with zero legroom and the seat inches from one's face.

Which route was this on?

And to add to that list, the worst passengers are the parents who take their screaming baby up and down the aisle to make sure they wake everyone up instead of just the immediate neighbors. Drug your babies before flights, people, it's not going to kill them.

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« Reply #5246 on: May 22, 2018, 08:49:07 AM »
I would have smiled at you.

Top 5 worst passengers
1) person reeking of perfume
2) person reeking of secondhand smoke or BO
3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby


I think you got 4 wrong. 

I was recently on a long haul flight in the middle of the day (take off 10am) and a guy near us had an absolute nightmare.

The person in front of him dropped their seat back to full recline as soon as we got in the air.  It was one of the new boeing planes and in economy when the seat in front is reclined, it completely wipes out your leg room and puts your screen on a near horizontal angle about 5 inches from your face.  It seems like it's meant for overnight flights when everyone wants to sleep.

Despite repeated pleas from both the cabin crew and the poor guy who now had literally zero space.. the other passenger refused to even put it half way back up.  This might not sound like a big deal but the guy couldn't even eat his meal because there wasn't enough room for the tray table to go down. 

He had the patience of a saint, I don't think I'd have been able to deal with that for 11 hours.
Having been on dozens of long haul flights on all sorts of carriers and aircrafts, I have never once seen a situation as you describe.

Economy seats never recline very much, and unless one is really, really overweight, or really, really tall, there is no way to end up with zero legroom and the seat inches from one's face.

Which route was this on?

And to add to that list, the worst passengers are the parents who take their screaming baby up and down the aisle to make sure they wake everyone up instead of just the immediate neighbors. Drug your babies before flights, people, it's not going to kill them.

One problem is that the things that are safe don't work reliably for all kids. So Benadryl, for instance, puts 80% - 90% of small kids to sleep, but hypes up the other 10-20%. Guess which kind of kid I have?

Also, lots'o' "drugs" are hard to reliably dose for babies and small children, and missing by just a little can have serious consequences, so I'm hoping that you're being sarcastic here... Because traveling on public carriers means you get to travel with the rest of the public, which includes babies, small children, obnoxious adults, and extremely overweight people (I once sat next to a guy who not only couldn't sit all the way back in his seat, once the flight was underway he could only move his hands and turn his head, because the rest of him was wedged in so tightly.).  It's helpful to remember that you don't know other people's situation (baby/small child with painful un-popped ears, person going to a parent's funeral, whatever) and try to be helpful and sympathetic.

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« Reply #5247 on: May 22, 2018, 09:22:16 AM »
One problem is that the things that are safe don't work reliably for all kids. So Benadryl, for instance, puts 80% - 90% of small kids to sleep, but hypes up the other 10-20%. Guess which kind of kid I have?
Heh, we tried Benadryl on one of our kids for a flight once.  Didn't make him hyper or sleepy, just ...loopy.  It was kind of bizarre.

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« Reply #5248 on: May 22, 2018, 10:41:12 AM »
I would have smiled at you.

Top 5 worst passengers
1) person reeking of perfume
2) person reeking of secondhand smoke or BO
3) kid kicking nonstop behind me
4) middle seat
5) non-stop screaming baby


I think you got 4 wrong. 

I was recently on a long haul flight in the middle of the day (take off 10am) and a guy near us had an absolute nightmare.

The person in front of him dropped their seat back to full recline as soon as we got in the air.  It was one of the new boeing planes and in economy when the seat in front is reclined, it completely wipes out your leg room and puts your screen on a near horizontal angle about 5 inches from your face.  It seems like it's meant for overnight flights when everyone wants to sleep.

Despite repeated pleas from both the cabin crew and the poor guy who now had literally zero space.. the other passenger refused to even put it half way back up.  This might not sound like a big deal but the guy couldn't even eat his meal because there wasn't enough room for the tray table to go down. 

He had the patience of a saint, I don't think I'd have been able to deal with that for 11 hours.
Having been on dozens of long haul flights on all sorts of carriers and aircrafts, I have never once seen a situation as you describe.

Economy seats never recline very much, and unless one is really, really overweight, or really, really tall, there is no way to end up with zero legroom and the seat inches from one's face.

Which route was this on?

And to add to that list, the worst passengers are the parents who take their screaming baby up and down the aisle to make sure they wake everyone up instead of just the immediate neighbors. Drug your babies before flights, people, it's not going to kill them.

Baby died.  Now what?  I assume you’re gonna make me a new one?

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« Reply #5249 on: May 22, 2018, 12:13:55 PM »
MPP of the day - my partner recently started a very successful side gig, which threw a monkey wrench into my careful net worth projections.

We're also needing to have conversations now that weren't scheduled to take place for another three years, since technically with his side gig plus our investment income, we could now retire immediately if we want to, rather than in four years.