Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)

[Sibley]

Overall, it wasn't worth it.

Zoinks!  Sounds like you definitely had more important priorities than the darn light bulbs.  I wasn't trying to criticize, just empathize :-)

Yeah, the lightbulbs were pretty minor in the end. The place is actually really nice, and we were able to paint, rent is reasonable for the unit and area, and hasn't been raised since I moved in. I'm planning on buying a house in 2017, so will be moving out then. Without this roommate - she needs to live by herself to have a chance at turning into a mature, functional adult. Which her parents will probably scuttle, but that's not my problem. :)

[Metric Mouse]

Overall, it wasn't worth it.

Zoinks!  Sounds like you definitely had more important priorities than the darn light bulbs.  I wasn't trying to criticize, just empathize :-)

Yeah, the lightbulbs were pretty minor in the end. The place is actually really nice, and we were able to paint, rent is reasonable for the unit and area, and hasn't been raised since I moved in. I'm planning on buying a house in 2017, so will be moving out then. Without this roommate - she needs to live by herself to have a chance at turning into a mature, functional adult. Which her parents will probably scuttle, but that's not my problem. :)

I know a person who moved out of the house they were sharing in college, took half the furniture that had been bought collectively, leaving everyone else in the house to spend the next few months without a kitchen table or couch, and had forgotten to take the house keys off of their ring, so they tossed them in the trash - hello re-keying of entire property for everyone.

That person is now a functioning adult, but sometimes people who haven't lived on their own truly do very silly things.

[gaja]

I'm treating the youngest daughter (8 y.o.) to a trip to Copenhagen, with full freedom on all luxuries; our budget set aside for spoiling this kid has grown steadily for years. She did choose a quite nice hotel for one night, but after that it went downhill. Instead of flying, she wanted to travel by train (half the price). For lunch, she packed bread and cheese in her bag to eat on the train. Then it turned out her fancy hotel had dinner included in the price. There is a Christmas market in town; she would rather relax at the hotel today than buy sweets or toys. Tomorrow, her chosen activity is a Christmas party for children from a ethnic minority; free of charge and including food. The hotel we are staying in tomorrow is quite reasonably priced, and includes free access to a swimming pool and bowling. Otherwise, our only plans are to visit a (free) art museum.

I guess I'll just add the extra money to her savings account.

[G-dog]

I'm treating the youngest daughter (8 y.o.) to a trip to Copenhagen, with full freedom on all luxuries; our budget set aside for spoiling this kid has grown steadily for years. She did choose a quite nice hotel for one night, but after that it went downhill. Instead of flying, she wanted to travel by train (half the price). For lunch, she packed bread and cheese in her bag to eat on the train. Then it turned out her fancy hotel had dinner included in the price. There is a Christmas market in town; she would rather relax at the hotel today than buy sweets or toys. Tomorrow, her chosen activity is a Christmas party for children from a ethnic minority; free of charge and including food. The hotel we are staying in tomorrow is quite reasonably priced, and includes free access to a swimming pool and bowling. Otherwise, our only plans are to visit a (free) art museum.

I guess I'll just add the extra money to her savings account.

Or her college fund. So nice she enjoys simple and free things, maybe she just picked what she wanted to do without regard to cost. In any event, it's a nice problem to have.

[jengod]

I'm treating the youngest daughter (8 y.o.) to a trip to Copenhagen, with full freedom on all luxuries; our budget set aside for spoiling this kid has grown steadily for years. She did choose a quite nice hotel for one night, but after that it went downhill. Instead of flying, she wanted to travel by train (half the price). For lunch, she packed bread and cheese in her bag to eat on the train. Then it turned out her fancy hotel had dinner included in the price. There is a Christmas market in town; she would rather relax at the hotel today than buy sweets or toys. Tomorrow, her chosen activity is a Christmas party for children from a ethnic minority; free of charge and including food. The hotel we are staying in tomorrow is quite reasonably priced, and includes free access to a swimming pool and bowling. Otherwise, our only plans are to visit a (free) art museum.

I guess I'll just add the extra money to her savings account.

Awww...I'm remotely proud of your little conserver. Very nice.

[shelivesthedream]

We switched to a 10L rubbish bin in the kitchen and they don't sell bin liners that small in either of the two local supermarkets. I would just use carrier bags but at 5p each it's more expensive than buying bin liners - and we'd have to reverse the now-ingrained habit of bringing cloth bags to the shops every time.

[ML]

Not wanting to buy new formal office clothing for work. It would be a waste as you're planning to quit soon and won't get much use out of them.

[Cherry Lane]

Not wanting to buy new formal office clothing for work. It would be a waste as you're planning to quit soon and won't get much use out of them.

This is so me!  Trying to limp along on my aging wardrobe for the next 1.5 years.  My office attire is slowly trending more and more casual, too, as I care less and less about the dress code.

[Half-Borg]

We switched to a 10L rubbish bin in the kitchen and they don't sell bin liners that small in either of the two local supermarkets. I would just use carrier bags but at 5p each it's more expensive than buying bin liners - and we'd have to reverse the now-ingrained habit of bringing cloth bags to the shops every time.

I've been going  years without bin liners. The inside of the bin doesn't look that pretty, but it doesn't smell and I don't need a clean place for my trash

[zephyr911]

this will be our son's first xmas. I have been hounded for the last couple of months about what our son needs/wants for xmas. I've told them "money for college". Everybody just laughs at me.

Tell everyone your child loves Disney.  You can buy it online too!  search for "DIS"

I wonder what is better, using money that would go towards a 529 to invest in your child's retirement or have money to go towards college loans. 

In the above example, if you start putting money away for your child 50 years before his/her retirement, talk about compounding...

All depends on the average effective APR% on the loans vs. your average investment return...

[Zikoris]

I'm going to miss one of my most cherished holiday traditions this year, which I've done for the last several - putting together my annual financial report on New Years Day, all chock full of happy numbers. Unless I shell out for the highly-antimustachian in-flight wifi en route to Thailand, that is. I'll have to just do it a day early, which is slightly less magical.

Also, I'm out of plastic bags again, at the time when most people are buried alive under them due to Christmas shopping (which I don't do). I'm using an empty rice sack for garbage right now until I can scrounge up some more.

[Cannot Wait!]

Today I volunteered at a fundraising bingo - they insisted on paying me.
Last weekend,  I volunteered at a craft show - they insisted on paying  me.
MPP :  since FIREing  I can't seem to NOT make money.

[Linea_Norway]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

[Metric Mouse]

Also, I'm out of plastic bags again, at the time when most people are buried alive under them due to Christmas shopping (which I don't do). I'm using an empty rice sack for garbage right now until I can scrounge up some more.

George Carlin might suggest you're making Mother Earth unhappy...

[Cannot Wait!]

Also, I'm out of plastic bags again, at the time when most people are buried alive under them due to Christmas shopping (which I don't do). I'm using an empty rice sack for garbage right now until I can scrounge up some more.

George Carlin might suggest you're making Mother Earth unhappy...

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D7W33HRc1A6c&ved=0ahUKEwjx096y5uTQAhUCxmMKHZ9jAkkQyCkIHDAA&usg=AFQjCNHnXgh0KukIGQJfoBVD8r6NRikrog&sig2=U5Ajkzrz9BLzof6EfYY-VA

Well that was ...um...enlightening.

[6-Saturdays]

Had a coworker ask me if “Are you all done with my Christmas shopping yet?” Unfortunately I was working on something/distracted at the time and responded “I don’t go in for that sort of nonsense” before I considered how that would be construed to a "normal" person. I think I am now pegged as the anti-Christmas, Scrooge, odder than they originally thought co-worker around here. It was bound to happen sooner or later, but I had hoped I would have more time.

[TrMama]

You and your spouse argue over who gets to open the statement from the mortgage company first. You both know it's the final statement and you each want to be the first to see it in black and white. You share a laugh that the final months interest is only $0.15.

Yippee!

The next morning the cheap, bucket of bolts minivan you drive has a problem related to the recent below freezing weather. Instead of immediately replacing it with a higher end car, or setting it on fire, you use duct tape to patch the problem until it warms up.

Sigh, being responsible is such a drag sometimes.

[ariapluscat]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

i have this issue too! i have to use the doggy poo bags the apartment provides for my kitty litter since i no longer have enough from shopping and used up my supply

[merula]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

i have this issue too! i have to use the doggy poo bags the apartment provides for my kitty litter since i no longer have enough from shopping and used up my supply

Do you ever go to stores where they have bins in the front for other people to bring their bags to recycle? If so, take them from there! I've had great luck with this method. It's better than buying plastic bags (both from a budget and an environmental perspective) and I've heard that the stores that do this have to pay someone to haul away that plastic, so it's hardly "stealing".

[dragoncar]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

i have this issue too! i have to use the doggy poo bags the apartment provides for my kitty litter since i no longer have enough from shopping and used up my supply

Do you ever go to stores where they have bins in the front for other people to bring their bags to recycle? If so, take them from there! I've had great luck with this method. It's better than buying plastic bags (both from a budget and an environmental perspective) and I've heard that the stores that do this have to pay someone to haul away that plastic, so it's hardly "stealing".

I always thought the store did that because of our new laws that you can't give free bags.  But there's no law against having a bag recycling bin in front of your store.  And you can't help it if customers take some of those bags for free.

[PMG]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

i have this issue too! i have to use the doggy poo bags the apartment provides for my kitty litter since i no longer have enough from shopping and used up my supply

Do you ever go to stores where they have bins in the front for other people to bring their bags to recycle? If so, take them from there! I've had great luck with this method. It's better than buying plastic bags (both from a budget and an environmental perspective) and I've heard that the stores that do this have to pay someone to haul away that plastic, so it's hardly "stealing".

I always thought the store did that because of our new laws that you can't give free bags.  But there's no law against having a bag recycling bin in front of your store.  And you can't help it if customers take some of those bags for free.

They have them in my state where bags are still free.  I just assumed it was an effort to look green when really not making any strides to be green.  I doubt the bags actually get recycled. 

[merula]

I doubt the bags actually get recycled.

I think it depends on the place. That's why I bring my bags (random too-small-to-be-useful things) to the treehugger coop, rather than the Big Box store.

[Linea_Norway]

In my community they recycle plastic. So we deliver all plastic that is wrapped around vegetables, meat and other stuff in that container.

I never heard of shops who offer used plastic bags at the exit. Sounds like a good idea.

[HappierAtHome]

You and your spouse argue over who gets to open the statement from the mortgage company first. You both know it's the final statement and you each want to be the first to see it in black and white. You share a laugh that the final months interest is only $0.15.

Yippee!

The next morning the cheap, bucket of bolts minivan you drive has a problem related to the recent below freezing weather. Instead of immediately replacing it with a higher end car, or setting it on fire, you use duct tape to patch the problem until it warms up.

Sigh, being responsible is such a drag sometimes.

Congrats on paying off the mortgage! This is a huge deal! Have you posted in the celebrations thread? And the mortgage payoff thread?

[ketchup]

I accidentally paid off a credit card statement balance twice this month, so my new balance is negative $117...

[Dollar Slice]

When you lose track of when your rent check is being cashed... and it's a GOOD thing. "There's a lot of money in my checking account, I guess my rent check didn't go through yet. Oh, it did? Huh. Hang on, I manufactured spend on my CSR last month so that's like $2000 that has to be paid out. Wait, that was already paid too? Huh. *goes to www.vanguard.com* "

[With This Herring]

Mustachian/Grammar Person Problem:

Seeing a "Share Your Bada**ity" thread titled "Second Comma" and getting all excited because you think it will be a story of how the Oxford comma was flagrantly used against company policy but in support of clearer language...

...but then still being excited for someone else when you find out the thread relates to investment balances.

[LeRainDrop]

Indeed, I am also out of plastic bags to use as bin liners. I'll soon need to buy some.
I always carry 2 cloth shopping bags in my handbag that I use for most grocery shopping. And I take along a crate when I go big grocery shopping. And I do most other shopping online. Christmas presents are delivered at the place of destination (in another country), where we will pack them on arrival.

i have this issue too! i have to use the doggy poo bags the apartment provides for my kitty litter since i no longer have enough from shopping and used up my supply

Um, why did I never think of that genius idea?  I pay HOA dues to buy the darn doggie bags, but I only have cats.  I think my cats are entitled to their share of the bags, LOL!

[Playing with Fire UK]

Mustachian/Grammar Person Problem:

Seeing a "Share Your Bada**ity" thread titled "Second Comma" and getting all excited because you think it will be a story of how the Oxford comma was flagrantly used against company policy but in support of clearer language...

...but then still being excited for someone else when you find out the thread relates to investment balances.

I thought I was the only one.

[greengardens]

MPP: DH needs to spend $30 more dollars at a store to get 40% off the entire purchase + free shipping. neither one of us can find anything we need that will get us to the threshold

[G-dog]

MPP: DH needs to spend $30 more dollars at a store to get 40% off the entire purchase + free shipping. neither one of us can find anything we need that will get us to the threshold

Gift cards?

[greengardens]

MPP: DH needs to spend $30 more dollars at a store to get 40% off the entire purchase + free shipping. neither one of us can find anything we need that will get us to the threshold

Gift cards?

We looked and unfortunately gift cards don't count toward the discount total.though we did find out we can use our credit card cash back rewards at this store so we're just going to do that

[LennStar]

There has to be something that you can resell? Or gift away, since its that time of the year?

[TrMama]

You and your spouse argue over who gets to open the statement from the mortgage company first. You both know it's the final statement and you each want to be the first to see it in black and white. You share a laugh that the final months interest is only $0.15.

Yippee!

Congrats!

You and your spouse argue over who gets to open the statement from the mortgage company first. You both know it's the final statement and you each want to be the first to see it in black and white. You share a laugh that the final months interest is only $0.15.

Yippee!

The next morning the cheap, bucket of bolts minivan you drive has a problem related to the recent below freezing weather. Instead of immediately replacing it with a higher end car, or setting it on fire, you use duct tape to patch the problem until it warms up.

Sigh, being responsible is such a drag sometimes.

Congrats on paying off the mortgage! This is a huge deal! Have you posted in the celebrations thread? And the mortgage payoff thread?

Thanks! We're pretty stoked, though it was a long time and a lot of effort to get here.

New MPP: While car shopping to replace the current bucket of bolts for a newer model that functions when the weather is below freezing (you live in Canada after all) you ask the sales guy for an accurate trade in value for the car. He insists on driving it to make sure it runs and is also excited he gets to drive a standard (apparently this is very rare). While he's driving around the block, he hits someone and causes very minor damage to both cars.

As a mustachian you are completely unconcerned about the cost to repair either bucket of bolts (the other car was also a basic, older model) however, you are very, very concerned about the potential liability to you from personal injury claims from any of the 3 people involved in the crash. You file an insurance claim strictly to protect your stash from said claims. The sales guy is mystified as to why you aren't concerned about damage to your car and doesn't understand why you are concerned about a potential lawsuit.

[With This Herring]

*snip*

New MPP: While car shopping to replace the current bucket of bolts for a newer model that functions when the weather is below freezing (you live in Canada after all) you ask the sales guy for an accurate trade in value for the car. He insists on driving it to make sure it runs and is also excited he gets to drive a standard (apparently this is very rare). While he's driving around the block, he hits someone and causes very minor damage to both cars.

As a mustachian you are completely unconcerned about the cost to repair either bucket of bolts (the other car was also a basic, older model) however, you are very, very concerned about the potential liability to you from personal injury claims from any of the 3 people involved in the crash. You file an insurance claim strictly to protect your stash from said claims. The sales guy is mystified as to why you aren't concerned about damage to your car and doesn't understand why you are concerned about a potential lawsuit.

How did sales guy's manager react when told that sales guy, in the ten minutes he was driving your car, managed to hit another car?

Lawyers:
In general, would a lawsuit by the sale guy's victim hit TrMama and spouse, or just sales guy and dealership?

[TrMama]

*snip*

New MPP: While car shopping to replace the current bucket of bolts for a newer model that functions when the weather is below freezing (you live in Canada after all) you ask the sales guy for an accurate trade in value for the car. He insists on driving it to make sure it runs and is also excited he gets to drive a standard (apparently this is very rare). While he's driving around the block, he hits someone and causes very minor damage to both cars.

As a mustachian you are completely unconcerned about the cost to repair either bucket of bolts (the other car was also a basic, older model) however, you are very, very concerned about the potential liability to you from personal injury claims from any of the 3 people involved in the crash. You file an insurance claim strictly to protect your stash from said claims. The sales guy is mystified as to why you aren't concerned about damage to your car and doesn't understand why you are concerned about a potential lawsuit.

How did sales guy's manager react when told that sales guy, in the ten minutes he was driving your car, managed to hit another car?

Lawyers:
In general, would a lawsuit by the sale guy's victim hit TrMama and spouse, or just sales guy and dealership?

All the sales guys in the shop had their fake happy smiles pasted on and were still  trying to get us to buy one of their cars. The sales guy driving my car was incredibly apologetic and clearly wanted to crawl into a hole. I was very tired (it had already been a long day) and used my quiet, angry mom voice to tell him to make my car driveable ASAP so I could go home.

Anyway, I learned a lot about insurance yesterday. The claim will be paid for by the dealerships insurance. They have a policy that covers events like this. I learned that  all mechanics, dealerships, etc have this kind of policy that covers their cars being driven by clients (like if I'd crashed the car I was test driving) and clients cars that they damage (like mine). Since we're in BC there is only one car insurer the process is relatively painless. I just wanted to submit the claim, instead of having the dealership fix all the damage without reporting anything, to be doubly sure no personal injury claims could come back to haunt me. Even without the claim, this was unlikely, but I have a low risk tolerance for this kind of nonsense. Accident victims here have 1 (or 2?) years to submit a personal injury claim.

Technically, even without a formal claim in place I could never be held responsible since I wasn't driving when the accident happened. It would always be the dealerships policy that would pay (since sales guy was driving my care for work purposes). However, I am the registered owner of the car, it was clearly my car that caused the accident and I wasn't present for the accident so I don't really know what happened. If this had to be investigated a year from now (if one of the people involved decided to put in an injury claim) the details would be hard to remember/prove and I don't want to deal with anymore drama.

[With This Herring]

Good call, TrMama.  Thank you for the update.

"Since we're in BC there is only one car insurer..."
In New York State, where there are possibly dozens of auto insurers (maybe?  a lot, at least), this amazes me.

[anotherAlias]

Earlier this year I committed myself to developing new hobbies and spending less time obsessing over my financial spreadsheets.  Overall this went well and I feel confident that I have something to FIRE to instead of just escaping work life.  However between the uptick in hobby spending and moving in with my non-mustachian boyfriend, I've felt like my spending has been out of control.  Since most of the spending for the year is done, I took a look at my totals per budget category and overall.  Imagine my surprise when after eating out more, wasting more food at home, buying alot of $$$ hobby supplies, a new tablet and new living room furniture, my total expenditures for the year was ~21K and my savings rate was 68% which is almost exactly what it was last year.  LOL you know you're mustachian when your out of control spending is 21K/yr.

[merula]

Good call, TrMama.  Thank you for the update.

"Since we're in BC there is only one car insurer..."
In New York State, where there are possibly dozens of auto insurers (maybe?  a lot, at least), this amazes me.

This is specific to BC in Canada, and doesn't exist in any form in any US state. It's a little analogous to the states where the state controls the Workers Comp market entirely (ND, OH, WA, WY), as opposed to NY where dozens of carriers write WC, but there's also the State Fund.

If anyone's wondering, the coverage TrMama is talking about is called Garagekeepers Liability. It's carried by auto shops and dealerships, but also places like parking garages with valet service.

[OutlierinMA]

  LOL you know you're mustachian when your out of control spending is 21K/yr.

Love this!

[Zikoris]

Earlier this year I committed myself to developing new hobbies and spending less time obsessing over my financial spreadsheets.  Overall this went well and I feel confident that I have something to FIRE to instead of just escaping work life.  However between the uptick in hobby spending and moving in with my non-mustachian boyfriend, I've felt like my spending has been out of control.  Since most of the spending for the year is done, I took a look at my totals per budget category and overall.  Imagine my surprise when after eating out more, wasting more food at home, buying alot of $$$ hobby supplies, a new tablet and new living room furniture, my total expenditures for the year was ~21K and my savings rate was 68% which is almost exactly what it was last year.  LOL you know you're mustachian when your out of control spending is 21K/yr.

I know the feeling. We went nuts this year, going to tons of concerts and movies, traveling to Europe, Asia, and Vegas,and generally spending what seemed like a lot to me - and it turns out our total spending is actually slightly less than last year, at a current $27,120.

[Saskatchewstachian]

Good call, TrMama.  Thank you for the update.

"Since we're in BC there is only one car insurer..."
In New York State, where there are possibly dozens of auto insurers (maybe?  a lot, at least), this amazes me.

This is specific to BC in Canada, and doesn't exist in any form in any US state. It's a little analogous to the states where the state controls the Workers Comp market entirely (ND, OH, WA, WY), as opposed to NY where dozens of carriers write WC, but there's also the State Fund.

This is the same in multiple provinces, here is SK my insurance (comes standard as part of renewing your license plate) was $1200/year for my car, and this is after a 20% discount for good driving. DW's old vehicle, a 2004 2 door manual honda civic was $1300/yr, this is because a 2 door standard in classified as a sports car.... It's doesn't make a lot of sense and makes owning vehicles very expensive here.

[dougules]

When you lose track of when your rent check is being cashed... and it's a GOOD thing. "There's a lot of money in my checking account, I guess my rent check didn't go through yet. Oh, it did? Huh. Hang on, I manufactured spend on my CSR last month so that's like $2000 that has to be paid out. Wait, that was already paid too? Huh. *goes to www.vanguard.com* "

Speaking of rent checks, we're probably not going to see ours this month because the floors need to be redone because of some water damage.  It's rough being the one that gets the rent check instead of the one that pays it. 

[Jakejake]

... So I go to the bank and pull a few hundred out for pocket money for the month. Every time I go in there, they look at my accounts and offer to set me up with a better savings account and I decline.

It's been a few months since I caught up with this thread. I had a crazy unsolicited high pressure sales pitch from my local bank manager that I had too much money sitting in savings there and I should move it to something with better returns. It was beyond polite suggestion and into car salesman tactics. It felt kinda nice on a later visit to let them know I listened to his advice and did a big transfer from their bank to our Vanguard accounts. 

A new submission to the thread, a letter I received a few months ago from the Office of Retirement Services:

"Dear Jakejake,

Effective July 1, 2016, the State of Michigan 401k and 457 plans will be establishing a new policy that limits the elective contribution rate to 70 percent of gross wages. During a recent review of your State of Michigan 457 Plan account, our records indicate your elective contribution rate is greater than 70 percent. Because of this, your contribution rate will be adjusted to the new maximum of 70 percent, which will begin with the next available pay period after July 1 ..."

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Joke's on them. I FIRE'd in June.  I like to think I'm the one person who broke the system.

[katstache92]

Just had to call Vanguard because I'm going to max out my 401k for the first time ever (yay!) and I didn't know what would happen to the overage that would be caused by my current percentage.  Then I had to explain I wasn't really over 18k already that my last paycheck from 2015 hit Vanguard in early 2016 and the total Vanguard shows isn't what my pay stub shows.

Apparently the payroll of my company will take care of it and stop it automatically at 18k.  So let's hope that happens.

[TrMama]

Good call, TrMama.  Thank you for the update.

"Since we're in BC there is only one car insurer..."
In New York State, where there are possibly dozens of auto insurers (maybe?  a lot, at least), this amazes me.

This is specific to BC in Canada, and doesn't exist in any form in any US state. It's a little analogous to the states where the state controls the Workers Comp market entirely (ND, OH, WA, WY), as opposed to NY where dozens of carriers write WC, but there's also the State Fund.

This is the same in multiple provinces, here is SK my insurance (comes standard as part of renewing your license plate) was $1200/year for my car, and this is after a 20% discount for good driving. DW's old vehicle, a 2004 2 door manual honda civic was $1300/yr, this is because a 2 door standard in classified as a sports car.... It's doesn't make a lot of sense and makes owning vehicles very expensive here.

On the plus side though, it seems to make it more difficult for egregious personal injury lawsuits to gain any traction. Since ICBC (the BC auto insurance company) is the only one that can sell liability insurance here, they always represent both sides and it's difficult for people who don't have a demonstrable problem to get any kind of payout.

I know there are a lot of complaints about single insurer provinces/states. But they are fantastic at limiting liability and therefore protecting our stash.

[StartingEarly]

I want to buy a first generation Honda Insight, but I can't justify the cost of a second vehicle with fuel savings. Guess I will have to buy it anyways and feel guilty about spending a few thousand on a toy that at best will come out as a wash lol

[Playing with Fire UK]

...
Joke's on them. I FIRE'd in June.  I like to think I'm the one person who broke the system.

Congratulations Jakejake!

[Hadilly]

I have way too much uninvested money sitting in a vanguard money market account that I need to get into the market.

[aetherie]

I want to buy a first generation Honda Insight, but I can't justify the cost of a second vehicle with fuel savings. Guess I will have to buy it anyways and feel guilty about spending a few thousand on a toy that at best will come out as a wash lol

Do it! I <3 my 1st gen Insight. Best car ever, even if it sometimes has trouble getting up hills.