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Re: Mustachian body disposal?
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2023, 09:05:41 AM »
Cremation is the cheapest, simplest and most efficient way to go. Can be as little as $500.

I am connected to the funeral & cemetery industry. I feel compelled to post my warning against the ultra-low cost cremation pricing that one might see on billboards and direct mailings. In my opinion, ultra-low cost is $795-995 and under. Here are the 3 reasons why:

1) I've looked at the final pricing at dozens of these places and, in my experience, always found that they had mandatory charges that were added on to the low advertised price. They are hoping they will be your first call and that by the time you figure out it won't be the final price, then they have your loved one in their facility and what are you gonna do? This can often be seen in their Google Reviews, but you'll probably have to dig through them because they often buy 5-star reviews to cover up the 1-stars. It's possible that some ultra-low cost cremations are actually done at the low advertised price ... but I've never seen it.

2) Ultra-low cost cremation providers are often run through a central office that then contracts with some local funeral providers. This means that there are multiple chains of communication and you often don't know where you loved one will be cremated. It also means that you have no option to visit the cremation facility and the cremation business often doesn't own the crematory. This means that the responsibility for getting your loved one's cremation remains back to you and actually done is falling on several different entities ... but no one seems to have ultimate responsibility. Compare this to a local funeral home that owns it own crematory -- they know exactly what is going on and are heavily invested in making sure there are no mix-ups or mistakes. If word got out in their community that things weren't done properly, there is a huge financial cost for them.

3) Scams and fraud happen. Sometimes it happens at local funeral homes & crematories. But most often it happens at high-volume crematories and low-end funeral homes. I've personally never seen a large-scale fraud case at a local funeral home that has high community involvement. And when I say scam and fraud, I'm taking about:
- not getting your loved one's ashes back (you get something that looks like ashes or someone else's ashes)
- your loved one being thrown in a ditch to rot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Crematory_scandal
- your loved one's organs are being sold without your knowledge (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/04/us/colorado-funeral-home-body-parts/index.html
- and you cannot assume that a "green burial" place will be immune to this (Like almost 200 bodies found in Colorado a few months ago: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207147316/colorado-funeral-home-investigation)

And if you live in Colorado, you should definitely understand that there is no licensing or minimum education requirements for funeral homes or funeral directors. Literally, anyone call themselves a funeral home and then rent a storage unit with a sink and transport a body there and do embalming. I understand that some professions may be over-regulated, but this seems ridiculous and dangerous to me.

Given scams and fraud have been perpetrated by locally owned funeral homes and fly-by-night low-cost cremation providers, ,the only defense you have is to do as much research as possible, work with a funeral home, crematory, and cemetery that have a long-term reputation in the community, and don't blink when you ask questions and want to see their facilities.

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Re: Mustachian body disposal?
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2023, 12:31:16 PM »
Cremation is the cheapest, simplest and most efficient way to go. Can be as little as $500.

I am connected to the funeral & cemetery industry. I feel compelled to post my warning against the ultra-low cost cremation pricing that one might see on billboards and direct mailings. In my opinion, ultra-low cost is $795-995 and under. Here are the 3 reasons why...(snip)


Interesting, I heard a radio ad earlier today for $1195 cremations which is higher than what you say is too ultra-low.  Don't remember which funeral home to even look up their reviews as I hope to not be in that market for a long time.

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Re: Mustachian body disposal?
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2023, 01:44:47 PM »
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I've seen this film; it was good. I like idea too.

My grandfather and grandmother died within a few months of each other a few years ago. (Sounds kind of romantic, but they were separated for many years until my grandpa had a stroke and required full time care, so he moved back in with my grandma and she just put up with it I guess? They had an odd relationship, the opposite of a role model. Anyway, I digress.)

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Between those funerals and seeing the green burial film, I have a clear picture of my ideal funeral. Before anyone arrives, my body has been wrapped in a cotton burial shroud. The grave has already been dug - it's fine if it was by machine. There is some kind of ceremony, details not super important to me, but appropriately somber and reflective. What is important is that at the end of the ceremony, they lower me into the grave. Maybe through some flower or pine boughs or whatever on top to keep me smelling fresh. Then, my guests bury me. I hope everyone in attendance can shovel at least one spadeful of earth. (Once everyone has had a turn, ideally the booze would start to come out, but the cemetery management probably discourages that.) After you've shoveled at least once, you can tap out, or keep going until you need a break, with folks cycling in and out. The group remains at the grave until I've been fully buried by hand. (I will concede tamping to take place by machine if needed, after everyone has left the graveside, but I think most green burial places don't allow that anyway, preferring the mounding approach.) After that, they can move to another site to have the party with food and more drinks, the fun stories, and so on.

My fiancée always says "here's what I want for my funeral, but remember, funerals are meant for the living. I'll be dead, so I won't care whether you heed my wishes." Fair enough!

My experience is that this shoveling thing happens in conservative (and conservative-ish) Jewish ceremonies: at least that's where I've seen it happening, varying from the level of "throw in a handful of dirt" to "grab a shovel and have at it".  I was at my FIL's funeral standing near the Rabbi, and I said "it's kind of like everyone's helping tuck him in" and she was delighted by that interpretation.

This is generally what I'd like for my funeral, too: don't pump me full of poison, as close to composing of my body as feasible, have a party afterwards. Also, I'm not going to be there anymore, so do what makes sense for the living!

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Re: Mustachian body disposal?
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2023, 06:36:40 AM »
Cremation is the cheapest, simplest and most efficient way to go. Can be as little as $500.

I am connected to the funeral & cemetery industry. I feel compelled to post my warning against the ultra-low cost cremation pricing that one might see on billboards and direct mailings. In my opinion, ultra-low cost is $795-995 and under. Here are the 3 reasons why...(snip)

Interesting, I heard a radio ad earlier today for $1195 cremations which is higher than what you say is too ultra-low.  Don't remember which funeral home to even look up their reviews as I hope to not be in that market for a long time.

Perhaps a better way to say it is "beware of the advertised cremation price that seems dramatically lower than all of the other providers in your area" -- I should factor in that most of my experience is in small & medium sized towns and not in larger metro areas where all prices will likely be higher.