Electric Cars: Can they finally become popular in the United States?

[JLee]

We're looking to buy a used EV in the next 6 months, when our son should be getting his license. It was really depressing to see that used Tesla M3s look like the best best, but I'm hoping there will be more Polestar 2s on the market in that time, I was seeing them around $4-5k more than the M3s in our area. My plan was to get a Leaf, but DW nixed that based on some safety data.

Check out the Mach-E as well; they're coming down pretty hard.

[Just Joe]

We're looking to buy a used EV in the next 6 months, when our son should be getting his license. It was really depressing to see that used Tesla M3s look like the best best, but I'm hoping there will be more Polestar 2s on the market in that time, I was seeing them around $4-5k more than the M3s in our area. My plan was to get a Leaf, but DW nixed that based on some safety data.

Am curious about the Leaf shortcomings your wife saw.

s/I have to chuckle b/c the average teenager's car is SO much better than what us GenX teens drove in the 70s/80s. My car was rusted out and repaired by myself and my father. the brakes were marginal. No standard seat belts, I had to add them. Single circuit hydraulic system for the brakes - if one wheel failed, the whole braking system failed. And they did twice. No functional heater except some random unexpected moments. Heater core was clogged with rust. 

My buddy's car had been wrecked so hard at some point that the driver's door overlapped the rear quarter panel when it closed. It required a gallon of coolant daily. He ran straight water and the problem continued to get worse and worse. Another buddy's car had been wrecked so many times that the auto body shop said after they repaired it the last time that it couldn't be repaired again. If they pulled the body on the frame machine another part of the body would flex in unpredictable ways. Old pickup trucks with the gas tanks in the cab behind the seat. 

Now when I drive through a HS or university parking lot, the kids drive better cars than DW and I could afford for years after we married.

That isn't a bad thing. Just an indication of how much things have changed.

[PathtoFIRE]

It was based on New Zealand data, I believe something like this,
https://www.rightcar.govt.nz/vehicle-search-results?q=1|29||2|4123||&d=Nissan%20LEAF
where the driver safety is less than full score.

I ended up finding all EVs (2014-2024) with IIHS Top Safety Pick+, and then looked for NHTSA star ratings for those vehicles, limiting it just those with 5-star for 3 or 4 of the categories. Doing that results in pretty much only the Model Y for recent years, and Model 3 for the late teens. I've started searching the Euro NCAP data, but it's not really model year specific. So I'm open to the best data/evidence, but basically we are looking to get a car that all 3 of our children will use as they each come of age every 2 years, and she's very worried about driver safety ratings.

[NorCal]

It was based on New Zealand data, I believe something like this,
https://www.rightcar.govt.nz/vehicle-search-results?q=1|29||2|4123||&d=Nissan%20LEAF
where the driver safety is less than full score.

I ended up finding all EVs (2014-2024) with IIHS Top Safety Pick+, and then looked for NHTSA star ratings for those vehicles, limiting it just those with 5-star for 3 or 4 of the categories. Doing that results in pretty much only the Model Y for recent years, and Model 3 for the late teens. I've started searching the Euro NCAP data, but it's not really model year specific. So I'm open to the best data/evidence, but basically we are looking to get a car that all 3 of our children will use as they each come of age every 2 years, and she's very worried about driver safety ratings.

I’m a few years behind you in making this decision, but I’d recommend thinking beyond the crash safety rating for a teen.

While EV’s in general have decent crash safety scores, the acceleration in many EV’s is not something I would trust most teenagers with. They are stupid fast, a lot of fun, and a recipe for a teenage disaster.

Tesla did implement a teenage driver mode to deal with this, but I haven’t tried it.

I’d personally feel safer with a kid in a car like a Niro or Bolt than anything with a sub-5 second 0-60 time. Even if the crash ratings were inferior.

[SpareChange]

Hey guys. Curious what models exist for the US market either now or announced/teased for the next couple of years that might have 300ish miles range and under $30k MSRP? Not including any credits. I know the new Bolt might meet that price, we'll see on the range. Kia EV3 is looking like it won't be that cheap. Anything else?

New? None. But why would you? The depreciation of EVs is even worse than for ICEVs!

Used there are Ioniq 5 and 6, EV6. VW ID4 is <$30k, but not 300+ range. Of course also a bunch of Tesla (if you're ok with the brand. Some are not at the moment)
edit; put these specs into autotrader.com, at it claims 500 cars within 200 mi of me. Mostly tesla 3 and Y of course. And a Fisker ocean for 20 grand, lol!

I feel ya. I've always bought used. Just playing through some things in my head. If the federal credit is still in play over the next few years, getting a new car for around 20k might entice me to buy new. Probably a long shot.

[Paper Chaser]

We're looking to buy a used EV in the next 6 months, when our son should be getting his license. It was really depressing to see that used Tesla M3s look like the best best, but I'm hoping there will be more Polestar 2s on the market in that time, I was seeing them around $4-5k more than the M3s in our area. My plan was to get a Leaf, but DW nixed that based on some safety data.

Chevy Bolts are a great alternative to the Teslas. I saw one the other day with below 60k miles that was listed under $9k. Not clear on whether that price included any tax credits or not, but it seemed like a great deal on the surface.

[SpareChange]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.     

[VanillaGorilla]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.   

Take the EPA's estimated range, that's from 100% charged to 0% charged. Then subtract 40% because realistically you'll drive it from 80% to 20% (charging higher hurts the battery and takes forever, going lower is scary). That's a real world range.

My car is rated at 300 miles and realistically I see 180-200 miles.

[Just Joe]

It was based on New Zealand data, I believe something like this,
https://www.rightcar.govt.nz/vehicle-search-results?q=1|29||2|4123||&d=Nissan%20LEAF
where the driver safety is less than full score.

I ended up finding all EVs (2014-2024) with IIHS Top Safety Pick+, and then looked for NHTSA star ratings for those vehicles, limiting it just those with 5-star for 3 or 4 of the categories. Doing that results in pretty much only the Model Y for recent years, and Model 3 for the late teens. I've started searching the Euro NCAP data, but it's not really model year specific. So I'm open to the best data/evidence, but basically we are looking to get a car that all 3 of our children will use as they each come of age every 2 years, and she's very worried about driver safety ratings.

I’m a few years behind you in making this decision, but I’d recommend thinking beyond the crash safety rating for a teen.

While EV’s in general have decent crash safety scores, the acceleration in many EV’s is not something I would trust most teenagers with. They are stupid fast, a lot of fun, and a recipe for a teenage disaster.

Tesla did implement a teenage driver mode to deal with this, but I haven’t tried it.

I’d personally feel safer with a kid in a car like a Niro or Bolt than anything with a sub-5 second 0-60 time. Even if the crash ratings were inferior.

The Niro/Kona still has 200 HP / 300 ft-lbs and does the 0-60 run in about 6 seconds. The Leaf has 214 HP / 250 ft-lbs and 7.4 seconds 0-60.

Top tip - buy the EV with the smaller range/battery (~40 KWH vs the ~60 KWH) and the EV motors often have less HP/torque too making them slower.  These cars have about ~150 miles of range with the smaller battery.

[NorCal]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.   

Take the EPA's estimated range, that's from 100% charged to 0% charged. Then subtract 40% because realistically you'll drive it from 80% to 20% (charging higher hurts the battery and takes forever, going lower is scary). That's a real world range.

My car is rated at 300 miles and realistically I see 180-200 miles.

There is nothing wrong with charging to 100% for road trips.  It doesn't damage the battery.

You don't want to charge to 100% every day for the life of the car.  But that is very different from never charging to 100%.

[RWD]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.   

The Polestar 2 with EPA range of 270 miles is the 2WD model. Car and Driver's 190 mile range is based on the dual motor variant. In addition that number is by far the most pessimistic figure I've seen for any Polestar 2. Car and Driver's own re-testing of real-world range for the 2024 models showed 250 miles for the 2WD model and 230 miles for the AWD. Inside EVs got 233 miles (226 miles at 70 mph) out of an older Polestar 2 dual motor.

In my own ownership experience (older dual motor) you'd have to be driving 85 mph or have quite bad weather to see less than 200 miles 100% to 0%. Whether the range is acceptable to you depends a lot on your use case. Though I'd imagine very few people are driving over 150 miles per day on the highway such that they have to recharge somewhere other than at home (or perhaps work). If so though you should be looking at much more efficient EVs than a Polestar. An Ioniq 6, for example, is 27% more efficient on the highway than a Polestar 2 and has an EPA range of 361 miles (332 miles real-world tested at 70-mph).

[SpareChange]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.   

Take the EPA's estimated range, that's from 100% charged to 0% charged. Then subtract 40% because realistically you'll drive it from 80% to 20% (charging higher hurts the battery and takes forever, going lower is scary). That's a real world range.

My car is rated at 300 miles and realistically I see 180-200 miles.

Thank you. A little different than the world I'm used to. Might take a little more planning. Hopefully they'll keep improving before I need to replace my car.

[SpareChange]

I always liked the way Polestars looked, but that's because I like the way Volvos look.

I have heard, firsthand, that the Polestars are really good EVs. They are just lacking on the range.

Man, looking at a lot of the models, the range is a little disappointing. Specifically highway. I found that Polestar estimated at 270 miles, but on Car and Driver's 75mph highway test it only went 190. Over 90% of my driving is on the interstate...70-80mph.   

The Polestar 2 with EPA range of 270 miles is the 2WD model. Car and Driver's 190 mile range is based on the dual motor variant. In addition that number is by far the most pessimistic figure I've seen for any Polestar 2. Car and Driver's own re-testing of real-world range for the 2024 models showed 250 miles for the 2WD model and 230 miles for the AWD. Inside EVs got 233 miles (226 miles at 70 mph) out of an older Polestar 2 dual motor.

In my own ownership experience (older dual motor) you'd have to be driving 85 mph or have quite bad weather to see less than 200 miles 100% to 0%. Whether the range is acceptable to you depends a lot on your use case. Though I'd imagine very few people are driving over 150 miles per day on the highway such that they have to recharge somewhere other than at home (or perhaps work). If so though you should be looking at much more efficient EVs than a Polestar. An Ioniq 6, for example, is 27% more efficient on the highway than a Polestar 2 and has an EPA range of 361 miles (332 miles real-world tested at 70-mph).

Thank you for sharing your experience. I take a 200 mile trip (one way) every 3 weeks. It's doable, just not as convenient at first glance. I'm hoping my apt will offer charging before I need to replace my car (say 3 years), or at least cheaper DCFC options will be available by then. We'll see. 

[AccidentialMustache]

While EV’s in general have decent crash safety scores, the acceleration in many EV’s is not something I would trust most teenagers with. They are stupid fast, a lot of fun, and a recipe for a teenage disaster.

Tesla did implement a teenage driver mode to deal with this, but I haven’t tried it.

I’d personally feel safer with a kid in a car like a Niro or Bolt than anything with a sub-5 second 0-60 time. Even if the crash ratings were inferior.

The thing is, for around town they are all equally quick. That instant torque is there with any electric motor, and is why you'd see mild hybrids like a prius or such smoking muscle cars across an intersection even before the pure-EV boom.

I mean, I agree with you in that I plan to start my teen in the Honda Fit. Actually he already solo-drove it (on private property) in a gravel loop driveway. The gas pedal is much more forgiving in the Fit -- flooring it does pretty much nothing. On the other hand, the brakes are much less forgiving. Despite the mass difference the EV has a much much MUCH shorter stopping distance. So even aside the safety suite, there's something to be said for the better stopping distance.

I mean, when we got the Mach E, it roughly doubled our insurance costs. Note that wasn't replacing a car, that was going from only-2009-Fit to Fit+MachE and moving our annual miles on the Fit (~8-9k) to the MME and then adding an extra 2k annual miles on the Fit. The insurance folks believe in the safety suite, even for decades of experience drivers.

[Just Joe]

Different EVs, different insurance companies, different ZIP codes, different prices.

Our Kona did not raise our insurance costs at all. Similar to the cost of insuring our 10 year old ICE V6 SUV.

The prob means we are over-paying for insurance. ;) Actually I know we aren't. I review it each year.

[Just Joe]

Thank you. A little different than the world I'm used to. Might take a little more planning. Hopefully they'll keep improving before I need to replace my car.

Another perspective on long distance trips: Look at the charging curve for your car. Our Kona is not a fast charging beast and it tops out at 77 KW if the battery is warmer than 77F. Can't manually switch on pre-conditioning (battery heaters). Heaters only come on when the car is first plugged into a DCFC.

Anything cooler and the charge speeds are much slower as I experienced in Dec on an out of town trip that required one DCFC stop. I needed 15%-80% and it took almost 40 minutes.

For our car someone suggested to me online that we should drive it to ~45% and stop for a DCFC. That is an hour or more of driving. The battery will be warm and 45% will be in the fast part of the charge cycle. Ten minutes will get it back to 75% and then we drive another hour or so to ~45% again. Writer said he could cover 700 miles a day like that using just short sessions.

I believe ADRP can also help with the trip planning with the goal of more frequent shorter charger stops. 

[Tyson]

For teenagers, Tesla has a Chill mode that limits the car.  It works well.

[GilesMM]

The depreciation of EV’s is great news for us Mustachians.  We tend to buy used vehicles so cheaper used EVs benefit us more.

The good news is you pay less on a highly depreciated car. The bad news is the depreciation is because nobody wants the car. That can be for a variety of reason but watch out for vehicles with higher than average depreciation as it can mean they are nightmares to maintain or have other flaws which make them undesirable.  EVs may have failing batteries, for example.   Cars with low depreciation are in demand for good reason and may actually be a better buy.  Then there are cars that appreciate in value, because they are rare.  I like those!

[Tyson]

The depreciation of EV’s is great news for us Mustachians.  We tend to buy used vehicles so cheaper used EVs benefit us more.

The good news is you pay less on a highly depreciated car. The bad news is the depreciation is because nobody wants the car. That can be for a variety of reason but watch out for vehicles with higher than average depreciation as it can mean they are nightmares to maintain or have other flaws which make them undesirable.  EVs may have failing batteries, for example.   Cars with low depreciation are in demand for good reason and may actually be a better buy.  Then there are cars that appreciate in value, because they are rare.  I like those!

People are afraid the battery might die but the truth is batteries generally outlast the rest of the car.  People that know this will benefit by getting a cheaper car that will last a long time.

[neo von retorch]

Just because the general public believes something, doesn't make it true! Try to think beyond what mainstream people believe and think for yourself.

Everything thinks battery range, charging, and reliability technology is rapidly evolving, therefore only the newest vehicles are worth buying. But that logic has made slightly used EVs massively cheaper, regardless of condition, functionality, or reliability.

Seeing nearly new Konas for under $20k ($33k+ new), and Polestar 2s loaded for $25k (start at $65k new in 2025) with all the premium packages, when people paid easily $50k or more for them brand new, and these cars have 10-30k miles on them... and it's not one or two, but that's just the price for all of them. No reason to fall for the "smartphone" nonsense of needing "this year's model."

[41_swish]

Just because the general public believes something, doesn't make it true! Try to think beyond what mainstream people believe and think for yourself.

Everything thinks battery range, charging, and reliability technology is rapidly evolving, therefore only the newest vehicles are worth buying. But that logic has made slightly used EVs massively cheaper, regardless of condition, functionality, or reliability.

Seeing nearly new Konas for under $20k ($33k+ new), and Polestar 2s loaded for $25k (start at $65k new in 2025) with all the premium packages, when people paid easily $50k or more for them brand new, and these cars have 10-30k miles on them... and it's not one or two, but that's just the price for all of them. No reason to fall for the "smartphone" nonsense of needing "this year's model."

In one of the Freakonomics books, I think "Think Like a Freak", there is a chapter about how crappy conventional wisdom is. If everyone thinks something, then maybe it's worth looking into why. Sometimes a feedback loop is created and things become over or undervalued.

[Just Joe]

Kind of sums up the MMM experience well. Normal isn't always optmum.

[FINate]

DD will start driving in the next year or two. Our first EV purchase will very likely be a used Chevy Bolt for her to use around town. The efficiency and smaller battery means we can charge it on 120 w/o running 240 to our detached garage. And it has a Teen Driver mode that looks very useful. I mostly use my cargo bike around town, but can see using this for short errands when the weather is bad.

[41_swish]

Kind of sums up the MMM experience well. Normal isn't always optmum.

Doing the normal thing will leave to normal results, like being stuck in the rat race forever. If that's what you want go for it. However, if you are on here, you probably want the opposite.

[Just Joe]

Very much so. Had a great weekend just knocking around the house, also visiting with my parent and spending time with DW and our offspring.

Yes, more please... 

[41_swish]

Sounds like a pretty good weekend to me!

[Paper Chaser]

Now that 2024 data is being reported, here are Ford's EV sales for all of last year:

"In 2024, each of Ford’s electric vehicles set new sales records, with Mustang Mach-E sales totaling  51,745 – up 27%; F-150 Lightning sales totaling 33,510 – up 39% and E-Transit sales of 12,610 – up 64%."

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2025/01/03/fourth-quarter-full-year-sales.html

Trying to determine the take rate for Lightnings among total F150 sales is tough. It looks like they produced 283,466 F150s at the Dearborn facility (Lightning's are a special assembly line at this facility) and another 292,049 at the Kansas City plant (only ICE F150s). So they sold 33,510 Lightnings after producing 575,515 total F150s in 2024. IF we make some assumptions about production numbers vs sales figures, it seems like we could estimate that 5-6% of F150 buyers are opting for the EV truck.

[RWD]

[...] after producing 575,515 total F150s in 2024.

Good grief... That rate would be sustaining what, like 1 in 15 US households owning an F-150? Maybe 1 in 10 if you include all F-series trucks...

[reeshau]

[...] after producing 575,515 total F150s in 2024.

Good grief... That rate would be sustaining what, like 1 in 15 US households owning an F-150? Maybe 1 in 10 if you include all F-series trucks...

In 2023, 40% of F150 sales were commercial.  Sure, a number of those will be sole proprietorship and take-home trucks, but a number are fleets, and specialties like tow trucks.

Also, 1 in 7 are exports.  I find that to be kind of amazing.  The only time I saw a true, full-sized pickup (by American standards) in Ireland was a tow truck.

[RWD]

[...] after producing 575,515 total F150s in 2024.

Good grief... That rate would be sustaining what, like 1 in 15 US households owning an F-150? Maybe 1 in 10 if you include all F-series trucks...

In 2023, 40% of F150 sales were commercial.  Sure, a number of those will be sole proprietorship and take-home trucks, but a number are fleets, and specialties like tow trucks.

Also, 1 in 7 are exports.  I find that to be kind of amazing.  The only time I saw a true, full-sized pickup (by American standards) in Ireland was a tow truck.

Good point

[neo von retorch]

Trying to determine the take rate for Lightnings among total F150 sales is tough. It looks like they produced 283,466 F150s at the Dearborn facility (Lightning's are a special assembly line at this facility) and another 292,049 at the Kansas City plant (only ICE F150s). So they sold 33,510 Lightnings after producing 575,515 total F150s in 2024.

Keep in mind the above is F-150s only, not all F-Series pickup trucks.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/01/gm-full-size-truck-sales-numbers-figures-results-2024/

Total Full-sized GM trucks MY 2024 884,998
Total Full-sized Ford F-Series MY 2024 732,139 (excluding Lightning)

Total Full-sized trucks sold in 2024 2,222,257

That puts Lighting at 1.5% of all full-sized trucks, and Cybertruck at 1.1%.

[Just Joe]

How is GM doing with their two EV trucks?

[neo von retorch]

How is GM doing with their two EV trucks?

It's in the link above, but about 9200 total units moved in 2024 (0.4% of all full-sized trucks.)

CHEVROLET SILVERADO EV    7,428
GMC SIERRA EV                        1,788

[Just Joe]

Thanks for that. Reading comprehension is important... ;)

[41_swish]

Reading is hard....

[GilesMM]

How is GM doing with their two EV trucks?

They are now selling a new EV Escalade, the "IQ" boasting a 460-mile range for a mere $150k.

[Just Joe]

Saw these headlines about Ford's EREV plans... (well - here are all the headlines)

https://news.google.com/search?q=ford%20erev&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Apparently Ford thinks it is a better way forward for large BEVs. I also wondered if tariffs might make Chinese sourced components like BEV batteries untenable.

[neo von retorch]

Saw these headlines about Ford's EREV plans... (well - here are all the headlines)

Maybe if the Chevrolet Volt had the clever Extended-Range Electric Vehicle acronym it could have sold better! (Or the BMW i3... they just called it an EV with range extender. Barbaric!)

[Just Joe]

The right words are really important! (in the marketing department) ;)

[jinga nation]

Noticed a lot more Mustang Mach-E's on the roads lately in the local area. Maybe it has to do with lease offers:

• $213/mo for 36 months on the Standard RWD model, $4462 cash at signing
• $269/mo for 36 months on the Premium AWS model, $5626 cash at signing

or 0% APR for 72 months, $2500 bonus cash.

All offers come with complimentary home charger and standard installation.
Tempting.

[JLee]

Noticed a lot more Mustang Mach-E's on the roads lately in the local area. Maybe it has to do with lease offers:

• $213/mo for 36 months on the Standard RWD model, $4462 cash at signing
• $269/mo for 36 months on the Premium AWS model, $5626 cash at signing

or 0% APR for 72 months, $2500 bonus cash.

All offers come with complimentary home charger and standard installation.
Tempting.

I have a friend who just bought a used 2022 Mach-E GT for $27k.  Used prices are really coming down.

[jinga nation]

Noticed a lot more Mustang Mach-E's on the roads lately in the local area. Maybe it has to do with lease offers:

• $213/mo for 36 months on the Standard RWD model, $4462 cash at signing
• $269/mo for 36 months on the Premium AWS model, $5626 cash at signing

or 0% APR for 72 months, $2500 bonus cash.

All offers come with complimentary home charger and standard installation.
Tempting.

I have a friend who just bought a used 2022 Mach-E GT for $27k.  Used prices are really coming down.

That's an almost 50% depreciation in 2 years, considering the 2024 Mustang Mach-E GT starts at $52,495.
Holy guacamole!

[RWD]

Noticed a lot more Mustang Mach-E's on the roads lately in the local area. Maybe it has to do with lease offers:

• $213/mo for 36 months on the Standard RWD model, $4462 cash at signing
• $269/mo for 36 months on the Premium AWS model, $5626 cash at signing

or 0% APR for 72 months, $2500 bonus cash.

All offers come with complimentary home charger and standard installation.
Tempting.

I have a friend who just bought a used 2022 Mach-E GT for $27k.  Used prices are really coming down.

That's an almost 50% depreciation in 2 years, considering the 2024 Mustang Mach-E GT starts at $52,495.
Holy guacamole!

Depending on when it was sold that could be closer to 2.5 to 3 years old. Still pretty rapid. Our Polestar lost 40% of its value in one year (the second year of ownership)...

[reeshau]

Just got into Fort Myers today, and the Tesla lot is CHOCK FULL of Cybertrucks!  Like, parked in the aisles, not just in the spots.  Anyplace else, this would be a significantly worrying sign of too much inventory.  I'm not sure how to interpret it, given it's a company-owned location.

[NorCal]

Just got into Fort Myers today, and the Tesla lot is CHOCK FULL of Cybertrucks!  Like, parked in the aisles, not just in the spots.  Anyplace else, this would be a significantly worrying sign of too much inventory.  I'm not sure how to interpret it, given it's a company-owned location.

While I believe Cybertruck demand is limited, I don't think lots of visible inventory is a worrying sign in itself.  It probably has more to do with the logistics of rail scheduling than demand. 

Tesla is famous for trying to reduce inventory by the end of the quarter.  Seeing a lot of vehicles on the lot in the last few weeks of the quarter might indicate slow movement of vehicles.  Seeing a lot mid-quarter is likely more logistics related than demand related. 

[neo von retorch]

Depending on when it was sold that could be closer to 2.5 to 3 years old. Still pretty rapid. Our Polestar lost 40% of its value in one year (the second year of ownership)...

Can attest! Just bought a 2023 Polestar 2 w/ 20k miles on it. Would be ~$67k brand new. Paid $29k.

[GuitarStv]

Just got into Fort Myers today, and the Tesla lot is CHOCK FULL of Cybertrucks!  Like, parked in the aisles, not just in the spots.  Anyplace else, this would be a significantly worrying sign of too much inventory.  I'm not sure how to interpret it, given it's a company-owned location.

Maybe Musk is going to start using the bulletproof trucks to drive around his Gestapo more safely.

[41_swish]

Boomers love blowing their pension on literal nonsense. Anecdotally, I have heard a couple Tesla owners talking about trading in for a different EV...

[JLee]

Boomers love blowing their pension on literal nonsense. Anecdotally, I have heard a couple Tesla owners talking about trading in for a different EV...

I have friends considering it - they understandably have a desire to entirely disassociate from Tesla.

[NorCal]

Boomers love blowing their pension on literal nonsense. Anecdotally, I have heard a couple Tesla owners talking about trading in for a different EV...

I have friends considering it - they understandably have a desire to entirely disassociate from Tesla.

I have a Tesla. While I’m not about to eat the transaction costs of trading it in, I’m sure as hell not buying another one.  There are some days I’m tempted though.

I seem to be one of those people that everyone asks about buying an EV. I’d say at least a dozen people have at least considered my input before buying an EV.

It’s been a while since any of them bought a Tesla.