Author Topic: NEW 2 year on off relationship - starts Pg 21. Issues with trust/attachment.  (Read 149699 times)

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She gave you an opening by considering to move out and you didn't agree that she should probably move on? Why lead her on like that? It's tough enough to break up. It's even harder when you feel your partner has wasted your "best years" trying to decide if you're good enough to marry.

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I have to admit that--more than ten years in--the number of opportunities for me to cheat has been disappointingly low. Perhaps it's the MMM way of living, i.e. not spending money on flashy consumption goods.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think OP is going to be turning down multiple propositions on a nightly basis, but while those situations may be quite rare, they're not nonexistent.

Men always think that when they become single again it's going to basically be Bourbon Street. I think it's actually easier if you move to a new place, because you have to be meeting a lot of people for the first time anyway.

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Feels like the OP has been holding us hostage for as long as this "gf" has been holding him hostage.

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She gave you an opening by considering to move out and you didn't agree that she should probably move on? Why lead her on like that? It's tough enough to break up. It's even harder when you feel your partner has wasted your "best years" trying to decide if you're good enough to marry.

I told her it's a good idea and I'm more than likely taking this job which will result in me selling the house.

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I saw "she told me to tell her either way before work starts so she will have time".

I don't think she is hearing you. Are you trying to keep your options open with her until you actually move and put the house on the market?

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I saw "she told me to tell her either way before work starts so she will have time".

I don't think she is hearing you. Are you trying to keep your options open with her until you actually move and put the house on the market?

I think he's trying to avoid the more psychologically difficult position of "I broke up with her because I don't love her and thus I am the bad guy", and using the move as a way to position himself as "Well, the relationship had to end because of the move, so I'm not such a bad guy."  Probably not even consciously.  Hell, I can't cast any stones, I've done exactly that sort of thing in the past, myself. 

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He may not be stating things very strongly to her, but it's pretty clear she has a strong case of "You're not marrying me? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" going on.

It's CO-dependent. The scabs and pus and drippy tendrils will not separate without persistent effort or a dramatic break. We're still in the How Long Will This Go On stage. My bet: 50% chance of 1 to 3 months more. Depending on what the definition of "when does it end" is.

I'm an optimist!!  :)

Best wishes to OP. We're rooting for you.

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Hope you get the offer letter soon. Waiting can be tough. It probably wouldn't hurt to send a follow-up if you haven't heard back.

For the attitude dynamic with the son you'd be working with (who must always be right/hates to lose in anything etc), there are many good resources for dealing with challenging personality types in a workplace setting, hopefully that won't hold you back. Good luck @zoochadookdook !

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Obviously a excuse of leaving for a career would make it a "it's not my fault for not committing/trying to make it work" situation less;

That being said; neither of us wants to break up with the other, that's why we've been like this for months. Even if I turn this job down EVENTUALLY something will have to give; either in one of our principals (which is either we start having sex but that's not going to happen, or as she thinks-I commit to marriage/kids/etc etc and hope the relationship changes to my liking-which is also not going to happen).

I think the job offer came at a good time as it has caused us to assess closer and in her words "me to decide what's important to me".

The offer should be in this afternoon-I think the pay is a bit less than I expected, however it would have lots of room for quick growth. I don't even necessarily want to move/leave my area; but convincing myself the job is too good to pass up is a way of mentally covering up the rest.

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Obviously a excuse of leaving for a career would make it a "it's not my fault for not committing/trying to make it work" situation less;

That being said; neither of us wants to break up with the other, that's why we've been like this for months. Even if I turn this job down EVENTUALLY something will have to give; either in one of our principals (which is either we start having sex but that's not going to happen, or as she thinks-I commit to marriage/kids/etc etc and hope the relationship changes to my liking-which is also not going to happen).

I think the job offer came at a good time as it has caused us to assess closer and in her words "me to decide what's important to me".

The offer should be in this afternoon-I think the pay is a bit less than I expected, however it would have lots of room for quick growth. I don't even necessarily want to move/leave my area; but convincing myself the job is too good to pass up is a way of mentally covering up the rest.

A fit 27 year old guy with his finances in order as well as an upwardly mobile career trajectory - dude you are a catch.  You won't have any issues finding another good quality person to be with. 

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Obviously a excuse of leaving for a career would make it a "it's not my fault for not committing/trying to make it work" situation less;

That being said; neither of us wants to break up with the other, that's why we've been like this for months. Even if I turn this job down EVENTUALLY something will have to give; either in one of our principals (which is either we start having sex but that's not going to happen, or as she thinks-I commit to marriage/kids/etc etc and hope the relationship changes to my liking-which is also not going to happen).

I think the job offer came at a good time as it has caused us to assess closer and in her words "me to decide what's important to me".

The offer should be in this afternoon-I think the pay is a bit less than I expected, however it would have lots of room for quick growth. I don't even necessarily want to move/leave my area; but convincing myself the job is too good to pass up is a way of mentally covering up the rest.

A fit 27 year old guy with his finances in order as well as an upwardly mobile career trajectory - dude you are a catch.  You won't have any issues finding another good quality person to be with.

lmao fit as in fitndis donut in my mouth? Because that's the usual grind. Thanks for your words though; I'm not even thinking about finding someone else or whatnot though.

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Moving is an easy way to have an excuse that works.  Then you will have some space and be able to work on your career and see how you feel on your own.  If you can't bear to break up, and moving is a safer way to get your head together, then move!  If it is meant to be, it will still be meant to be between the two of you and then you can propose or even have a long-distance relationship for a while.  But you need to get some space.

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Moving is also a socially acceptable out for her - "he left to take a job elsewhere and I wanted to stay here."

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I haven't participated in the conversation before, but I am particularly bad with breaking up and twice an intercontinental move was a great excuse to end the relationship. Was it the best/nicest thing I've ever done? No. Did it work? Hell yes. The distance also reduced the chance of 'meeting up as friends' with one person intending to get back together to 0. Also no awkwardness, ruined social lifes etc, because I just left :)

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Just got the official offer document 5 minutes ago.

The actual offer seems to be a bit lower than I thought-so negotiating/asking about growth and position oppertunities will be a big part of this. Realistically it doesn't make sense to relocate unless it's a considerable difference vs what I'm offered here. Will be asking about PTO/holidays/other bonuses offered etc. If anyone has any suggestions for questions I'm all ears.

For reference offer is going to be:
65k/yr
5k moving relocation costs (12 months required at job to keep/paid 2 months after moving)
decent pay into healthcare
401k with no match
1-2 days remote/week
The actual job is project management.
After a year you would get hired into the parent company and get better benifits. Pay i'm not sure when it could increase etc but this is the entry PM role.

I currently make 22/hr
But when this hard offer comes back I will be coming back to this company and I suspect they will offer
around 60k
1 day remote/week
3% 401k
healthcare plan
The actual job I'm not sure what advancement it'll offer. It's mostly admin IT work. I could ask.

I'm navigating this strictly on actual convenience to benefits to what's best career/financial wise right now. If i move or not we're figuring out this relationship but I'm trying to take this as a non relationship affected decision. I like my town and the area I'm at-it's comfortable but yeah

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The new job will do wonders for your career. You've said your current job has near zero room for advancement. I wouldn't fret over a 0-5k difference in salary it will be negligible 6-12 months from now. Project management can be very lucrative and teach you a ton of life/career skills. Definitely try to negotiate but I don't think 65k is too far off from an entry level job PM job.

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Obviously do your due diligence and see if you can sweeten the deal from what you've got right now, but I vote for accepting.

I don't think the moving costs deduction would apply here (assuming it's still around), but I hope you don't have a ton of stuff to move, so $5k should be plenty.

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My buddy who is a 2ND level up pm (son of the CIO) said 6 months would be a direct hire into the parent company and restructure pay. He makes around 85k after 9 months (*this was his starting position).

I'm trying to talk to my boss today around 4 and bring up everything. I do know this company I'm with right now moves people between departments but I have no idea if they did hire me salary what it would be. Either way have to ask.

Obviously talking to the gf tonight. She's been under the impression I have one foot out the door already for the past weekend....we've been cordial but kind of just waiting. I'm sure there will be a lot of blaming and such.

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I'm trying to talk to my boss today around 4 and bring up everything.

Are you ready to leave your current company today?  You have to be prepared for this possibility if you are going to be talking to your boss.

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I'm trying to talk to my boss today around 4 and bring up everything.

Are you ready to leave your current company today?  You have to be prepared for this possibility if you are going to be talking to your boss.

Financially? I'm fine. I can pull in what I make here/plus some working for myself part time even if I lost this job today. I know that's part of it though. The other company wants this signed by wednesday though and he's out of office tomorrow so...

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Definitely take the new job.

Even if your current company ups your pay, you'll just be at the high end of your likely achievement there. Upthread IIRC (maybe in some other thread), you said as much yourself. 65k for project management is in the bottom third of that field - exactly where you should be when starting out. Five years from now, your PM income will likely be close to double what you would make by staying. The skill you develop will put you, not employers, in the position of power while you finish accumulating your FIRE stash.

Also, Texas has no income tax. San Antonio has many affordable locations. You can save lots of money there at 65k, making excellent progress toward FI. IMHO this offer is the difference between achieving FIRE and maybe not achieving it.
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Please take the job, and either sell or rent out your house, but dont leave your friend in it.
Can you talk to her mother? Explain you need to take this opportunity to grow as a person, and  an individual.
I think you mentioned back a bit that she was encouraging your friend to move out of your house.

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Well have til the end of the week to give a yes or no. Talking to the GF tonight-sure to be a interesting conversation. Can't talk to my boss until Wednesday as he won't be in office until then

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Good luck.


Another vote for taking the new job. :)

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

Oh dear god stop trying to convince your girlfriend of your point of view. She is a separate person from you, and she doesn’t need to agree with you or accept  your point of view  as being right for the both of you.


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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

She is hearing you just fine, the problem from her point of view is that she doesn't agree with you - she wants to get married to you while never having sex again unless it's to make babies.  She is never going to say anything to you that admits you are not going to marry her and then remain celibate for the rest of your life.

The good news is that you don't need her agreement.  It doesn't take two people to end a relationship, it takes one.  And that one has to be you.  You've told her often enough that it's over, you don't need to talk any more.  Take the job, sell the house, done.  She'll be better off when you've gone and she is free to find some other man to have a sexless marriage with her.

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

it’s like you’re not being heard because: a) it’s to her advantage not to hear you; and b) you need to tell her, uncategorically, that it is over.

She will hear that.

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Good God.

I really want to avoid sounding harsh, but it's very difficult.

Pull the plug on this relationship. Stop talking back and forth about the same root problem again and again and again. You want a sex life. She's not willing to work on that. That's it. Forget about "getting married in the future" - she's unwilling to do anything at all about a problem you've clearly identified in your relationship, so there's no basis for hoping that you'll somehow stumble into a happy relationship together somewhere down the line. What the two of you want is incompatible on a basic and fundamental level.

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.
Re the boss: I would stop after "I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me." and then let the boss say whatever they're going to say. The next sentence you wrote just opens the door for them to lowball you. You have to be ready to leave. That's the only way you'll get their best offer.

And your girlfriend? She says one thing, you say another thing. You don't agree. It's an important issue -- a deal-breaker. Someone has to be the one to leave, or you'll be miserable. You'll be doing her a favor too. Leaving for a job in another state is the perfect way to do this.

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Understand this:  if you marry this girl, she will not have sex with you during the marriage.  You will be signing up for a lifetime of celibacy. 

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Understand this:  if you marry this girl, she will not have sex with you during the marriage.  You will be signing up for a lifetime of celibacy.

This is absolutely and totally correct. If you don't end this, you'll spend the rest of your life stewing in online porn and/or pretty understandable resentment, and there's a decent chance that you'll cheat.

I'm not saying that you'll be sleeping with three different women a week - I'm simply pointing out that as a tall, solvent, reasonably fit young man, you will meet women who find you very attractive from time to time, and if one of them decides to make a move, you may find it genuinely thrilling and difficult to resist.
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Again, the root problem with this 'relationship' isn't that she doesn't want to have sex with you, though that is a problem.  The root problem is she doesn't care about your needs and your priorities, and thinks that you should just 'come around' to seeing everything her way.  That is not a relationship of partners, it's a setup for gaslighting.  You need to stop 'having discussions' with her and just tell her in no uncertain terms that this is over.  When you discuss with her, it lets her pretend that this is still a negotiation, that you can still be convinced, that you might change your mind.  So don't have a chat about the why's and wherefore's.  Tell her flat out that your mind is made up.

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

it’s like you’re not being heard because: a) it’s to her advantage not to hear you; and b) you need to tell her, uncategorically, that it is over.

She will hear that.

I am not so confident that she will “hear” it.

Their problem is not about hearing,  it’s about lack of action. When he walks away she may not accept that as the end. When he moves states away, she may not accept that as the end. When he talks to her via phone for months/years, she may not accept  that as the end.

This young man needs to act like an adult and kindly, firmly set the boundary of “we are no longer a couple” and carry out that action. NO Further contact.

It us awful, sad, maddening, and just plain wacky that OP is  having exactly the same conversation with the girlfriend that he had when he first came on this website. Exactly. The. Same.

I will repeat what I said pages ago: OP, you are being neither kind nor considerate to this girl for continuing to raise the specter of you two getting together someday.  Stop talking about your relationship. Cut her loose.

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Well I have to talk to my boss tomorrow morning and say:

"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"

Realistically if it's not a considerable offer it doesn't make sense to stay.

That being said the gf talking last night didn't really get anywhere. She's under the impression I just need to realize what's important/if it was just a year she could wait and such. I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" and it's just so frustrating. It's like I'm not being heard. I'm not against the idea of we could get married in the future but time apart would help define that vs staying in the same holding pattern.

it’s like you’re not being heard because: a) it’s to her advantage not to hear you; and b) you need to tell her, uncategorically, that it is over.

She will hear that.

I am not so confident that she will “hear” it.

Their problem is not about hearing,  it’s about lack of action. When he walks away she may not accept that as the end. When he moves states away, she may not accept that as the end. When he talks to her via phone for months/years, she may not accept  that as the end.

This young man needs to act like an adult and kindly, firmly set the boundary of “we are no longer a couple” and carry out that action. NO Further contact.

It us awful, sad, maddening, and just plain wacky that OP is  having exactly the same conversation with the girlfriend that he had when he first came on this website. Exactly. The. Same.

I will repeat what I said pages ago: OP, you are being neither kind nor considerate to this girl for continuing to raise the specter of you two getting together someday.  Stop talking about your relationship. Cut her loose.

Yes, true. I guess I meant, tell her in no uncertain terms that it is over, and then follow through with actions. But as you say, that would mean setting boundaries. And OP has great difficulty with that.

OP, she will never "agree" that this can't/won't/shouldn't work. You are stuck in this spiral because you are waiting for her to agree.

Stop that.

It is time to move on.

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Well this conversation is coming Wednesday once I get my work situation settled at my current job.

I guess I just have to make myself clear. I haven't really been in this position before and it feels like I'm sleepwalking or something.

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"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"


Dont say this.  Maybe the first two sentences, but definitely not that third line.

What if your current employer increases your pay or even matches the offer?  Are you prepared to remain here?  You don't negotiate like that unless you are prepared to take the offer if they meet your requests.  Otherwise, you are negotiating in bad faith. 

Tell them you have a new offer in hand, and are leaving.  If your current employer wants to offer you more, they will, but then you won't be obligated to accept.  You also should be "packed" and be prepared to be let go that same day.


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snip... I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" ..../snip
What a fantastic statement to show the conundrum of this entire thing. You don't want to commit until you get more from the relationship. She wants you to commit to the relationship before she gives you more. You both probably feel like you're talking to a fucking wall. It's a case of "Who's on First"...and it's insane/frustrating watching it play out in real life.

Break up. Take the job regardless. Time for both of you to start new chapters.

Good luck OP!

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"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"


Dont say this.  Maybe the first two sentences, but definitely not that third line.

What if your current employer increases your pay or even matches the offer?  Are you prepared to remain here?  You don't negotiate like that unless you are prepared to take the offer if they meet your requests.  Otherwise, you are negotiating in bad faith. 

Tell them you have a new offer in hand, and are leaving.  If your current employer wants to offer you more, they will, but then you won't be obligated to accept.  You also should be "packed" and be prepared to be let go that same day.

Ah got it. Well when it comes to career/opportunity I'm open to negotiation and it seems silly not to at least hear a offer from the current employer.  I am working on several projects for them currently so it would be a giving 2 weeks scenario not leaving same day just out of courtesy.

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No, what I am saying is they can fire you the same day (depending on state laws I guess).

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snip... I've told her I don't want to get married and it's mainly due to our relationship dynamic-and she's like "well i've told you I need commitment" ..../snip
What a fantastic statement to show the conundrum of this entire thing. You don't want to commit until you get more from the relationship. She wants you to commit to the relationship before she gives you more. You both probably feel like you're talking to a fucking wall. It's a case of "Who's on First"...and it's insane/frustrating watching it play out in real life.

Break up. Take the job regardless. Time for both of you to start new chapters.

Good luck OP!

It's circle talk; like I understand how she feels but I can't change it. In her mind she thinks I want her to give me "everything" before I offer a future.

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"I have offer x with starting x. I've been happy here but I have to do what's best for me. What room/overhead does this position have/what can you offer if I don't take offer x?"


Dont say this.  Maybe the first two sentences, but definitely not that third line.

What if your current employer increases your pay or even matches the offer?  Are you prepared to remain here?  You don't negotiate like that unless you are prepared to take the offer if they meet your requests.  Otherwise, you are negotiating in bad faith. 

Tell them you have a new offer in hand, and are leaving.  If your current employer wants to offer you more, they will, but then you won't be obligated to accept.  You also should be "packed" and be prepared to be let go that same day.

Ah got it. Well when it comes to career/opportunity I'm open to negotiation and it seems silly not to at least hear a offer from the current employer.  I am working on several projects for them currently so it would be a giving 2 weeks scenario not leaving same day just out of courtesy.

You are offering two weeks as a courtesy.  There is no guarantee your employer will take you up on it (though it is probable they will).  Some employers, once they know you are planning to leave, would rather just have you out the door, due to security concerns or whatever else.  So, be prepared for the possibility that they will accept your resignation and then ask you to leave the building.  If they don't, great!  But best to be prepared.

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No, what I am saying is they can fire you the same day (depending on state laws I guess).

Yeah that's fine. I don't have a ton here.

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It's circle talk; like I understand how she feels but I can't change it. In her mind she thinks I want her to give me "everything" before I offer a future.
Yes, we understand that.  We've understood that through 17 pages.  The question is: can you accept that this is an impossible way for the two of you to spend the rest of your lives - or indeed, even one more day of your lives?  And can you then follow through and say "this has gone on far too long, it ends now"?  And then not listen to whatever your former friend has to say, because she has nothing to say which is either new or useful.

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No, what I am saying is they can fire you the same day (depending on state laws I guess).

Yeah that's fine. I don't have a ton here.
That is good. This has happened to my husband in the past, when he announced he was leaving for a job at a competitor. They paid him for those two weeks, so it was a nice vacation for him in between jobs. That was the tech industry though.

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Why does she get to decide what's best for you?

Try being direct. "I understand your position, and you understand mine. I am not happy in a sexless relationship, and I don't want you to compromise your principles to make me happy. It's time for us to end the relationship so we can both move on. Please move out by xx/xx/xx."

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She hears you just fine.  But because it's not what she wants you to be saying, she ignores what you've actually said.  She is trying to manipulate you.  I think you don't listen when we all tell you that (hmmm...), but probably because you generally categorize her as a "good person" and you think we are saying she's not a good person.  But she can absolutely be a good person and still be manipulating you.  She can be a good person who is desperate for a husband and babies, and who is scared to disrupt her life. Tt's not perfect, but it's the life she has and giving that up can be hard, as you well know, even when it is what is best).  So she almost literally sticks her fingers in her ears and pretends you didn't say what you did, so she can have an argument with you that she can actually win, or twist to get the outcome she wants. 

People break up with good--even great--people all the time.  Some of the very best people in my life I'm sure I would have broken up with if we dated because they are *not the right person for me, and I am not the right person for them*.  I get the impression that because you think she's "good", you can't let her go.  And because you think she's "good", you don't want to put her through the reality of a breakup.  But putting her instead through the reality of staying longer and wasting more time in a truly unhealthy relationship isn't a kindness.  You have to be strong enough (for her and for you) to do what needs to be done, even if it is hard and harsh and ugly.  And you've said all the things about this that can be said.  She still isn't going to her it if you say them again.

So the time has passed for explaining this.  You need to grow some courage and ACT.  And it is not a kindness to explain (what has already been explained ad naseum) and soften and capitulate.  Right now, the kindness is letting her go, and doing it in a way that lets her know, WITH CERTAINTY, that this is OVER.  Fully over.  Not "we will see in a year" or anything like that.  Don't offer explanations, as those just give her things with which to argue.  Any opening will be an opportunity for her to twist things to try to talk you out of it.  Simply tell her that the relationship has run its course, you wish her well, but you are ending the relationship.  And no matter what she says, repeat some version of that, even if it gets awkward.  "But baby, I'll have crazy sex with you tonight."  "No, the relationship is over.  It just didn't work out."  "But if we went to therapy more..."  "I'm sorry, but my answer isn't going to change.  I'm breaking up with you."  "But why?  You owe me an explanation."  "We've talked about the 'whys' for months, or really even years.  The aren't going to change.  I know this sucks, but it is time to move on." "But..."  Repeat, repeat, repeat.  It will get awkward, but do not give her ways to refute or engage.  And then, just say, "look, I've said everything that can be said.  I'm sorry you are sad, but nothing will come from continue to go around in circles on this."  And then leave to end the conversation.

We will assume she's a nice person, and you are too.  What you need to do is see that you are not treating her with the kindness she deserves by allowing her to cling to hope.  You want to be decent to her; that's very clear in your posts.  But you are confusing gentleness with kindness.  They are not the same.  it is cruel--yes, you are being cruel to her (and to yourself, but it seems like you frame everything in terms of her) but avoiding concrete answers and unambiguous words and direct conversations. 

Breakups are horrific.  I'm sorry you are dealing with all this.  But you are being terrible to both her and yourself but not being crystal clear about things. 

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I am going to tell you a brief story in the hopes that it will push you over the edge into doing the right thing.

I am polyamorous.  I have a monogamous roommate.  We lived together for nearly a year before she decided to break her "I don't date poly people rule" -- we were together for the next eight months, which were some of the best eight months of my life.  I never expected to meet another partner I was that compatible with -- we did not have to work hard for our relationship to work.  We just...worked.  We were compatible in basically every way that mattered, except she has a monogamous brain and I have a polyamorous brain.  Sex life was spectacular.  We had no financial drama, not once in the 1.5yr+ that we lived together have we fought or argued, and we both (even still) love each other immensely.

She recently became interested in someone who wants a monogamous relationship, which is ultimately what she wants.  It has been an exceptionally hard adjustment period for me, but fundamentally I know that she is making the right choice for her future.  I would never take that from her or ask her to reconsider.

I have loved only twice in my 35 years on this earth, and I am willing to let this aspect of us go because it is the right thing for her.

Do the same for yourself.

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Understand this:  if you marry this girl, she will not have sex with you during the marriage.  You will be signing up for a lifetime of celibacy.

Possibly, and the setup is that the sex is a tool of manipulation. Not a good setup for a wonderful lifelong relationship.

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Yes being in limbo is not sustainable. However once we separate/break up-I'm not opposed to the idea of leaving a door open in the future. I think we both have things to work out and figure out on our own but I could see her as a life partner at some point.