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Dino2034

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Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« on: October 28, 2024, 10:49:26 AM »
Seeking Advice on Rebalancing Portfolio for FIRE with Recent Liquidity

I’m 55 and recently exited my business, achieving a solid return. I’ve chosen the FIRE route and am now primarily invested with a 62% allocation in Treasuries. Occasionally, I use other funds to trade and aim for an overall 9% return. Importantly, I don’t need to draw any income until 2026.

My goal is to rebalance towards an 80/20 portfolio, but I’ve been hesitant due to the current economic climate—essentially, waiting for the potential “recession smoke” to clear (even though I know timing the market isn’t ideal). My question is, with around 6–7 million to deploy, should I move forward with a lump sum investment, or would a DCA (dollar-cost averaging) strategy be wiser in this context? I’m torn between starting now or waiting for a possible market pullback. Any insights or strategies you’d suggest are greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2024, 11:49:35 AM »
Well we've had a few people ask similar questions over the years, here are a few links if you're interested... Though with 6-7 million I don't see a way you can go wrong regardless of strategy. You could ask yourself if you already had everything allocated according to your investment policy would you pull funds out to cash over worries of recession?


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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/current-market-has-me-scared-to-invest/
9/2014  [2002]
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/is-it-a-good-time-to-invest-new-money/
10/2014  [1946]
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/stock-market-would-you-buy-now-or-wait/
1/2015  [2058]
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/stock-market-should-i-be-concerned/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/talk-me-out-of-timing-the-australian-market/
12/2015  [2103]
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/where-to-put-a-large-windfall-with-stock-market-near-all-time-highs/
1/2016  [2013]
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/nervous-about-the-market/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/when-would-you-get-back-in/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investing-in-a-bull-market/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/moving-to-cash-market-timing-can%27t-believe-it/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/buy-vtsax-now-while-its-this-high-or-wait-till-a-drop/
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https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/scared-of-investing-in-the-stock-market-now/
6/2019  [2890]
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/uk-tax-discussion/global-index-tracker-is-so-high!-do-i-just-keep-putting-my-money-into-it-anyway/
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Dino2034

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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2024, 06:48:48 PM »
Thank you, RWD.  I appreciate your guidance and support.

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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2024, 05:42:40 AM »
Seeking Advice on Rebalancing Portfolio for FIRE with Recent Liquidity

I’m 55 and recently exited my business, achieving a solid return. I’ve chosen the FIRE route and am now primarily invested with a 62% allocation in Treasuries. Occasionally, I use other funds to trade and aim for an overall 9% return. Importantly, I don’t need to draw any income until 2026.

My goal is to rebalance towards an 80/20 portfolio, but I’ve been hesitant due to the current economic climate—essentially, waiting for the potential “recession smoke” to clear (even though I know timing the market isn’t ideal). My question is, with around 6–7 million to deploy, should I move forward with a lump sum investment, or would a DCA (dollar-cost averaging) strategy be wiser in this context? I’m torn between starting now or waiting for a possible market pullback. Any insights or strategies you’d suggest are greatly appreciated. Thank you!
To get a 9% overall return, you'd have to achieve a 17% return on the rest of your investments if your 62% allocation in treasuries yields a 4% average return. Moreover the real return on equities has historically only been 7% so you'd have to be at something like 167% equities (i.e. highly leveraged, perhaps on margin or using leveraged funds) to get there on average, which is HUGELY risky.

Good luck with either of those approaches, you'd need it!

However... what is your annual spend?  If you were spending, say, $200k/yr (incl. taxes) you'd only need a 3% withdrawal rate, which your current allocation could probably sustain.

As far as your 'waiting for potential "recession smoke" to clear' goes - what RWD said.

A further note, however - you are planning to start drawing on these funds in two years, and you're 55.  I'd suggest that, unless you are intensely focused on leaving legacies for children or charities, your 80/20 plan is perhaps a bit too aggressive and something like 60/40 might be more advisable.




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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2024, 12:13:34 PM »
Thank you jeroly.  I appreciate your input.  Looking back, I look foolish to stay in T-bills and try to time it. 

I am thinking of a two-bucket scenario. The first one would have $2.2M with a conservative portfolio for the first 10-12 years of use. Bucket 02 would have $6.2M and a slightly more aggressive portfolio. This way, Bucket-2 would have enough breathing room to go through ups and downs.


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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2024, 01:43:11 PM »
Thank you jeroly.  I appreciate your input.  Looking back, I look foolish to stay in T-bills and try to time it. 

I am thinking of a two-bucket scenario. The first one would have $2.2M with a conservative portfolio for the first 10-12 years of use. Bucket 02 would have $6.2M and a slightly more aggressive portfolio. This way, Bucket-2 would have enough breathing room to go through ups and downs.

This is how we are approaching it.  The way to manage recession fears is to ensure you don't need to sell during a recession.  For us, that means a bond or CD ladder that will cover several years' expenses -- you can do anywhere from maybe 3 years to 7-10, depending on how conservative you are.  Every year, you take your current income needs from cashing in that year's CD/bonds, and then convert enough investments from your mutual funds/ETFs into bonds/CDs to cover your expenses however many years out, so the ladder keeps rolling.  And then if the market crashes, you just don't replenish the ladder that year, knowing that you still have enough ready cash to tide you over until the market recovers.  Even with a 3-year CD ladder, you could live for 3 years without having to touch your stocks at all -- and there are very, very few market crashes that last 3 years. 

The end result for us is that our investments are pretty much binary.  Our short-term bucket is currently CDs, given the interest rates that have been on offer.  Having that safety net allows our long-term bucket to be 100% in the market (mostly VTSAX/equivalents).  For us, that actually puts us at somewhere close to a 90/10 or 85/15 asset allocation; more years in the short-term bucket would lead to a more conservative overall allocation.

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Re: Rebalancing for FIRE: Is Now the Right Time to Invest
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2024, 01:56:44 PM »
Thank you Laura33.  I appreciate your note.

 

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