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« Reply #1000 on: May 14, 2021, 09:19:10 PM »
Awesome work @LeftA and @Dee!

LeftA - what is behind the idea to drink this weekend? [This is not saying Never Drink Again, because I think that's a form of black and white thinking that sets up a false dichotomy, but it is helpful to consider what is behind certain thoughts]

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« Reply #1001 on: May 15, 2021, 06:59:50 AM »
I had a really interesting experience recently, not with alcohol, but with a new prescription.

I have what has so far been untreatable nerve pain. A team of doctors and I have tried pretty much everything, but nothing works. So they started me on amitriptyline, which used to be used as an antidepressant, but is only now used for pain because it has brutal side effects.

I was supposed to work up to a low dose of 50mg, a typical dose is over 100mg. I did one week at 10mg, one week at 20mg, and just a few days at 30mg before the side effects of total exhaustion and dry mouth became unbearable. It was rather pleasant though, I see why they used it as an anti-depressant, plus I slept sooooo well.

Anyhoo, because I had to taper up, I figured I would have to taper off, so I looked into the taper schedule and found out that this shit takes an ENTIRE YEAR to get off of! It's so addictive, and the withdrawal is so intense that they recommend putting the person through an entire year of mild withdrawal rather than risking anything worse than that by getting them off faster.

Well I was like "hell no", and decided I wanted off of the drugs immediately before they built up in my system too much. I had read that being on them for under a month, and at a low dose, full withdrawal should be toooo bad. I had originally been willing to give them a few months to see if my body could adjust, because they did help with the pain, and definitely with sleep.

So I quit cold turkey and just took the two weeks of withdrawal and I'm just ending now.

Holy fuck. That was interesting.
I mean, the withdrawal was pretty horrific, but that's not the interesting part. The interesting part, which is relevant to the discussion here, was that I kept having thoughts like "maybe I could manage on just 10mg, it really did help my sleep" or "are the side effects really worse than the pain? I can handle being exhausted all the time as long as I'm feeling okay"

Justification after justification to restart taking the pills would pop up in my head. It took me a few days to realize that those were actually cravings. I genuinely thought they were my own thoughts, that I was objectively considering going back to the pills because their therapeutic effect was worth the consequences. I thought they were MY thoughts.

I felt kind of horrified when I realized they were addiction thoughts. It was so obvious once I was able to identify them as not belonging to me. They seemed so ridiculous and so obviously addiction cravings once I was able to recognize them as such.

It really drove home how for all of those years of drinking alcohol, I genuinely thought that *I* was the one who loved wine, that *I* was the one thinking "let's go pick up a nice red" or "let's go to the pub" or "a glass of wine right now would be amazing". I believe those were MY THOUGHTS, but it's so obvious now that they weren't.

It's so off putting how easy it is to claim a thought as my own just because it's happening in my own head.

I came VERY close to going back to the 10mg dose because I believed those were my own thoughts, I thought I actually wanted to restart the drug. It was easy not to once I knew it was a craving voice.

It's made me so grateful that I can so easily recognize alcohol cravings as not coming from my true desires, they're coming from the part of my brain that was addicted. I feel bad for my past self for not being able to tell the difference.


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« Reply #1002 on: May 15, 2021, 08:28:21 AM »
It's crazy... I live with chronic pain as well, though not as severe as yours.  I've taken otc painkillers most days since puberty and have in the past 10 years really tried to cut back on them, and I even have addictive thought patterns like what you describe about those.  "Well, I'll just take a half a pill in case I start to hurt" or "I should just take this now, even though the pain isn't that bad"...

I can't even imagine what I'd be like if I was on opiates or something super strong like what you describe for more than a few days...

It's just how brains work, that's for sure.

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« Reply #1003 on: May 15, 2021, 08:49:17 AM »
It's crazy... I live with chronic pain as well, though not as severe as yours.  I've taken otc painkillers most days since puberty and have in the past 10 years really tried to cut back on them, and I even have addictive thought patterns like what you describe about those.  "Well, I'll just take a half a pill in case I start to hurt" or "I should just take this now, even though the pain isn't that bad"...

I can't even imagine what I'd be like if I was on opiates or something super strong like what you describe for more than a few days...

It's just how brains work, that's for sure.

Oh, I don't fuck with opiates. I will take them for an acute issue, like after surgery, or for a very painful procedure, but never for more than one day. I would rather deal with pain than opiate addiction from regular use. I've actually gotten spectacularly good at just dealing with pain and managing my lifestyle accordingly.

Pain isn't my problem, it's the things I can't do because of my condition that are difficult to deal with, and pain killers don't really increase my function, they just make my lack of function more comfortable. But the side effects or addiction aren't worth it.

Advil/NSAIDs destroyed my stomach, opiates make you have to live as an addict every day (no thanks), same with alcohol (which is actually a pretty good painkiller), and everything else is just laughably ineffective and not worth the side effects.

It was actually amitriptyline that I was on, which used to be used to treat depression, so I thought it wouldn't be a big deal to take, as I've been on antidepressants before. I just had no idea how horrific it was to try and get off of it. I know antidepressants need to be tapered off carefully, but I had no idea that this one needs to be tapered for a whole year, and during that year, the entire time is managed withdrawal.

Still, I would have been willing to stick with it, because it was really helping with sleep and I get bad painsomnia, but the profound sleepiness and sahara dry mouth made my waking hours dreadful. Even then, if the next set of treatments don't work, I would be willing to try it again, just sticking to only 10mg, just for sleeping, because that shit knocked me out and made me wake nice and mellow. And it's so low a dose that if I ever needed off again, the withdrawal would be minor.

So I'm back to just dealing with pain for now. Which once you get used to it is actually a lot easier than trying to escape from it.

The treatments I have coming up though aren't pain management, they're attempts at structural repair. I'm kind of over drugs for pain management.

Pain is a psychological experience. I'm damn good at managing unpleasant psychological experiences.

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« Reply #1004 on: May 15, 2021, 09:47:35 AM »
Thanks @Dee and @mspym ! Well, I decided to not drink yesterday. I was feeling a bit down, thinking it through I realized it wouldn’t solve anything. In fact, it probably would have made me feel worse. I’m not sure if it was a craving, feeling down, or what, but I’m glad I didn’t give in to it.

@Malcat , maybe it was addiction taking over my thoughts?!

The thing is knowing what I know now kind of makes me conflicted...more specifically knowing the dangers of alcohol and being addicted have taken away the desire to drink vs. How drinking in moderation used to be enjoyable. But, then it was too easy for it to become more frequent as my tolerance (addiction really) became higher...not sure I’m making a lot of sense. But, then again our feelings are not particularly rational...

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« Reply #1005 on: May 16, 2021, 08:21:32 AM »
Thanks @Dee and @mspym ! Well, I decided to not drink yesterday. I was feeling a bit down, thinking it through I realized it wouldn’t solve anything. In fact, it probably would have made me feel worse. I’m not sure if it was a craving, feeling down, or what, but I’m glad I didn’t give in to it.

@Malcat , maybe it was addiction taking over my thoughts?!

The thing is knowing what I know now kind of makes me conflicted...more specifically knowing the dangers of alcohol and being addicted have taken away the desire to drink vs. How drinking in moderation used to be enjoyable. But, then it was too easy for it to become more frequent as my tolerance (addiction really) became higher...not sure I’m making a lot of sense. But, then again our feelings are not particularly rational...

Yeah, the process of becoming addicted to something is usually enjoyable, that's how you get addicted without noticing, using is really fun for awhile, sometimes a long while, and then it's not so fun and more compulsive. Every addict longs for the days back when using was fun, and wishes they could recapture that time through forced moderation. That's, like, the definitive addict's experience.

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« Reply #1006 on: May 17, 2021, 06:43:46 PM »
I succumbed to some distorted logic on Friday. I found myself having a panic attack, without meds* and my self-soothing techniques weren't working. Amid my spiral, I remembered that I had kept some beer to use to trap slugs, and drank that. Drinking and mental illness aren't a good mix for me (or likely anyone) as really amplifies my depression, but I was lucky on Friday and it just made me sleepy. Predictably, I felt like garbage Saturday and Sunday. Sometimes I get smug about how easy I found it to stop drinking for fun, but then things like this come up and remind me how my problem was more about using it as a crutch.

*It's not that I had none on hand, only that they were years past expiration and ineffective - a sign that I'm doing a great job of not taking them too often and a crummy job of keeping track of the shelf life of things.

That's some really great self reflection my friend.

I too am having a rough day. I had a few medical things just overload my system today. I don't really get anxiety anymore because I actually burned out my capacity for it, lol. However, I do have days that just overload my capacity.

Back when I was drinking, I would have felt like there was no way to cope with these feelings. I would have tried to chase them away with a few glasses of wine.

Not drinking has really proven to me that even the worst feelings have an end point, they can't last forever, and that time will pass regardless of what you do, so it's inevitable that eventually, you will just feel better. You actually can't avoid it.

Drinking actually reinforced the sense that the feelings would last forever unless I did something to try and fight them, like open a bottle of wine. My brain convinced me that I was so much more powerless against horrible feelings than I really am.

Now, feeling really horrible just doesn't intimidate me. It can't do anything other than stick around for awhile. I can't just make it go away, but I never could. Alcohol never made it go away, it just made it more comfortable to feel miserable.

It's the same way painkillers don't make an injury go away, they just make it more comfortable to be injured. But if you have a fucked up knee and take pain killers to keep running, you just fuck up the knee even more.

That's what booze does. It doesn't actually take away the emotional injury, it just makes it feel more comfortable to be in psychic pain. It actually prolongs the awful feeling and makes the injury worse.

Now, my metaphor is God damn poetic today, because the reason I'm overloaded is because I had a very stressful procedure that has left me in extreme pain, but I can't take painkillers because the inflammation the treatment causes is how it helps me.

I have to sit here with my pain and just wait it out for the next week as it slowly subsides. Likewise, I have to just sit here with my emotional pain, and let it slowly subside, not try and bury it under mind altering chemicals.

At the end of the day, I'm fine. I'm in pain for good reasons that will strengthen me as they heal stronger, both physically and emotionally.

I'm just having a "bad day", and that's fine. Some days are good, some days are bad. If they're bad, they either just need patience to move through, or they need action to resolve things. Either way, alcohol just makes the pain last longer and prevents any positive action towards resolving things.

I hit 500 days sober a few days ago, and I'm really happy to be at a point where alcohol doesn't even cross my mind when I'm feeling emotionally overwhelmed, because I no longer ever feel like I can't handle my own emotions. I just feel them, and they're okay, even when they suck donkey balls.

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« Reply #1007 on: May 18, 2021, 06:01:04 AM »
Wishing you some speedy healing, @Malcat.

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« Reply #1008 on: May 18, 2021, 08:20:40 AM »
Malcat, you don't sound like 'a hugger' and I'm not one either, but I wish you a huge virtual hug right now. 

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« Reply #1009 on: May 18, 2021, 08:40:23 AM »
Malcat, you don't sound like 'a hugger' and I'm not one either, but I wish you a huge virtual hug right now.

Lol, I'm definitely a hugger, I find it funny the impressions people get about me based on how I write. I'm actually not a serious person AT ALL. I'm like Julia Sweeney doing a whole light hearted comedy special about having cancer. I talk about serious things, but I myself am almost never serious.

So yeah, I'll take a virtual hug any time.

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« Reply #1010 on: May 18, 2021, 08:34:11 PM »
I’m sorry to hear your are in pain @Malcat. 500 days is an awesome milestone!

So, on Saturday, my husband asked me to open a bottle of wine to use for sauce. I decided I wanted to have some of the wine as an accompaniment to the meal. I poured myself a glass, and...ended up having 4 sips. In the end, I didn’t find it enjoyable and just stopped there.

This has reaffirmed my desire to stay alcohol free. Apart, from those 4 sips, I’ve gone 45 days without.

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« Reply #1011 on: May 19, 2021, 04:29:51 PM »
I hit 500 days sober a few days ago, and I'm really happy to be at a point where alcohol doesn't even cross my mind when I'm feeling emotionally overwhelmed, because I no longer ever feel like I can't handle my own emotions. I just feel them, and they're okay, even when they suck donkey balls.
Congrats @Malcat, that's a heckuva long stretch. Sorry about your current pain issues.

Thanks, to be fair though, pain really doesn't bother me unless I'm feeling emotionally off. That day I had to deal with a new doctor who was a bit of a prick, and the human mind isn't built to be okay with letting assholes do painful things to you. It's emotionally destabilizing, so that lowered my emotional shields and made the pain harder to manage. Otherwise, I'm kind of a tank and can take almost anything.

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« Reply #1012 on: May 20, 2021, 03:53:05 AM »
Hey everyone, thanks for sharing ...  am greatly enjoying the updates here. It's cool to be honest with internet strangers. =) I am reaching my 3 month mark, and still very happy with the decision.

The euphoria from the earlier days has leveled off to a more moderate, even-keeled feeling. I've registered a few times where I thought "a drink sounds good" but that was more in response to an environmental trigger, and then upon examination the urge vanished immediately. It helps that I remain completely uninterested in the substance itself and the 10-day withdrawal period afterward... The only really tempting situation was there was a bottle of wine from a region that I have strong positive memories of visiting, wine tasting, etc. Everyone else drank it and I scratched the itch, so to speak, by pulling out my photos from the trip and remembering the experience. Then, the urge to drink it faded away pretty quickly. 

I'm not sure if I got the recommendation here or somewhere else, but mindfulness-based stress reduction (book: Full Catastrophe Living) has also been a big help. Not just for drinking but for general happiness. Thus far I have only encountered small life challenges to practice my alternate stress coping mechanisms (exercise, breathing, alternative framing of the issue, spending time with positive people/animals). I feel like I am building my mental strength/resilience to deal with bigger challenges when they inevitably come up. And I liked that the book talked about not trying to avoid stressful situations and live in a perfect bubble, but to accept and embrace it as part of the human condition.

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« Reply #1013 on: May 20, 2021, 07:00:59 AM »
I hit 500 days sober a few days ago, and I'm really happy to be at a point where alcohol doesn't even cross my mind when I'm feeling emotionally overwhelmed, because I no longer ever feel like I can't handle my own emotions. I just feel them, and they're okay, even when they suck donkey balls.
Congrats @Malcat, that's a heckuva long stretch. Sorry about your current pain issues.

Thanks, to be fair though, pain really doesn't bother me unless I'm feeling emotionally off. That day I had to deal with a new doctor who was a bit of a prick, and the human mind isn't built to be okay with letting assholes do painful things to you. It's emotionally destabilizing, so that lowered my emotional shields and made the pain harder to manage. Otherwise, I'm kind of a tank and can take almost anything.

Hi Malcat - do you mind if I direct message you? I have a couple chronic pain questions.

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« Reply #1014 on: May 20, 2021, 07:03:06 AM »
I hit 500 days sober a few days ago, and I'm really happy to be at a point where alcohol doesn't even cross my mind when I'm feeling emotionally overwhelmed, because I no longer ever feel like I can't handle my own emotions. I just feel them, and they're okay, even when they suck donkey balls.
Congrats @Malcat, that's a heckuva long stretch. Sorry about your current pain issues.

Thanks, to be fair though, pain really doesn't bother me unless I'm feeling emotionally off. That day I had to deal with a new doctor who was a bit of a prick, and the human mind isn't built to be okay with letting assholes do painful things to you. It's emotionally destabilizing, so that lowered my emotional shields and made the pain harder to manage. Otherwise, I'm kind of a tank and can take almost anything.

Hi Malcat - do you mind if I direct message you? I have a couple chronic pain questions.

Of course, any time.

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« Reply #1015 on: May 29, 2021, 07:11:27 PM »
A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I had 4 sips of red wine and decided I didn’t want anymore.

Last weekend, I decided that I wanted to try a glass of white. I poured myself 2 oz. In the end, I had about 1.5 oz, and realized although better than red (likely from the sweetness), I’ve just lost my taste for wine.

Apart from those 2 instances, I’ve now gone 56 days alcohol free and believe this is how I want to live my life going forward. I really didn’t think this would happen when I started this journey... Thanks so much all your support!




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« Reply #1016 on: May 30, 2021, 05:03:05 AM »
A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I had 4 sips of red wine and decided I didn’t want anymore.

Last weekend, I decided that I wanted to try a glass of white. I poured myself 2 oz. In the end, I had about 1.5 oz, and realized although better than red (likely from the sweetness), I’ve just lost my taste for wine.

Apart from those 2 instances, I’ve now gone 56 days alcohol free and believe this is how I want to live my life going forward. I really didn’t think this would happen when I started this journey... Thanks so much all your support!

Congrats!

It blew my mind when wine stopped tasting good to me. I had loved wine, especially red, but now I can't even stand the smell of it.

DH had a glass or two of champagne at his sister's the other night and I've become so sensitive to the smell of alcohol that when he came home, to me it smelled like he had done a pile of vodka shots.

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« Reply #1017 on: May 30, 2021, 06:40:16 AM »
I have now been alcohol free all year. Was planning to start drinking again this weekend but have zero desire to do so. I do crave a glass of rose by the pool this summer so we will see if I give in. Might try to go through July 4th weekend without. It’s funny though recently I’ve started to find fun alternatives to alcohol and have landed on hemp drinks. They cost like $5 a can so saving a little money over drinking but not a ton. Like others I also have not lost any weight. I do have numerous positive benefits like less insomnia and less side effects from meds and better mood control.

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« Reply #1018 on: May 30, 2021, 10:29:31 AM »
I have now been alcohol free all year. Was planning to start drinking again this weekend but have zero desire to do so. I do crave a glass of rose by the pool this summer so we will see if I give in. Might try to go through July 4th weekend without. It’s funny though recently I’ve started to find fun alternatives to alcohol and have landed on hemp drinks. They cost like $5 a can so saving a little money over drinking but not a ton. Like others I also have not lost any weight. I do have numerous positive benefits like less insomnia and less side effects from meds and better mood control.

I started drinking dealcoholized wine, and it really hit the spot for those days I was craving the experience of having a glass of wine while doing something fun. I now never crave real alcohol.

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« Reply #1019 on: May 30, 2021, 10:52:01 AM »
I just wanted to post to re-up my commitment to staying alcohol free for a little while. I originally posted here about laying off the booze, then pretty soon after found out I was pregnant. In a way, that felt like “cheating”! I had the baby this month, so it no longer goes without saying that I’m alcohol free. At the moment I pledge to make it through to August 15th without alcohol, which will make it a whole year for me. At that point I will assess again.

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« Reply #1020 on: May 30, 2021, 11:42:58 AM »
I have now been alcohol free all year. Was planning to start drinking again this weekend but have zero desire to do so. I do crave a glass of rose by the pool this summer so we will see if I give in. Might try to go through July 4th weekend without. It’s funny though recently I’ve started to find fun alternatives to alcohol and have landed on hemp drinks. They cost like $5 a can so saving a little money over drinking but not a ton. Like others I also have not lost any weight. I do have numerous positive benefits like less insomnia and less side effects from meds and better mood control.

I started drinking dealcoholized wine, and it really hit the spot for those days I was craving the experience of having a glass of wine while doing something fun. I now never crave real alcohol.

I will have to give that a try!

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« Reply #1021 on: May 30, 2021, 02:52:29 PM »

Similar to @LeftA I am closing in on two months alcohol free (AF).  The game changer for me has been sleep, glorious sleep!  I sleep soundly and wake up calm and refreshed.  I hadn't realized that waking up sweaty and anxious at 4AM was being caused by my evening wine.  Sleep is now delicious, decadent and my whole life is better with adequate rest.

And, as @Malcat has pointed out I learned that cravings are not "me".  I can watch them rise, crest and fade knowing they are temporary and do not reflect my true desires.

I am grateful for what I learned through the 30 day alcohol experiment.  Understanding the physical and psychological workings of alcohol has been powerful and effective in eliminating the desire to drink.  I didn't stop through white knuckled will power but rather just let the desire fade away based on knowledge and journaling.

To keep the AF stoke high I considered Annie Grace's 100 Days of Lasting Change Program but it costs $200.  So instead I found a library book:



I am about half way through.  It's quite good and I would recommend it.  It's a bit more focused on spirituality and less on data than I would prefer, but I am a geeky engineer who thinks most books should have more graphs.

Speaking of data, Strava shows I am getting a little faster and stronger which feels great.  Did going AF contribute?  I don't know but it sure couldn't hurt.

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« Reply #1022 on: June 01, 2021, 09:56:47 AM »
I know this thread is about booze, but I just completed a whole month without smoking weed, which is my other vice. It actually wasn't as hard as I thought it would be, once it was out of the house and out of my mind I was mostly fine. I did think of it a few times, but since I told myself I didn't have any and I was definitely doing at least a month sober, it was easy to keep my mind on track and there wasn't any social pressure like I feel for drinking.

I feel motivated to keep it up, it didn't really add much value to my life and I don't love the effects on my lungs/motivation. I picked up running at the same time and I managed to get to 5k, so I feel healthier in general. @Malcat's words about keeping promises to yourself really resonated with me, and I think that helped me stick to both the sober month and my running schedule. It feels good to know that I can do stuff that I set my mind to!

I feel like I'm on a journey to becoming a better version of myself, which seems like such a cliche but whatever. I think approaching 30 is making me evaluate where I'm at vs. where I thought I would be and where I want to end up. There's nothing stopping me from being a person who exercises, meets financial goals, maintains sobriety, and I think I'll end up happier and healthier if I make the right choices for me. I don't need to make every change at the same time, but I'm on the right track and I'm making progress.

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« Reply #1023 on: June 01, 2021, 02:47:49 PM »
@PoutineLover High fives from me! Swapping weed for running is leveling up.

I could keep weed in the house and not smoke because I knew that would be it for the rest of the day, whereas with booze I had the illusion that one drink wouldn't make me *that* impaired and I could resume normal activities (ignoring the fact that most of the time one drink would result in another drink).  What inspired me to give it up was getting serious about my martial arts and realising that my reactions and brain were sluggish for 2-3 days after I had smoked and that this level of aftermath wasn't worth it to me. If only I'd had the same realisation about alcohol at the same time instead of waiting another 10 years.

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« Reply #1024 on: June 03, 2021, 10:10:25 AM »
Really interesting article on origins of alcohol and its effects.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/america-drinking-alone-problem/619017/

This pretty much sums me up: “Divorced from life’s shared routines, drinking becomes something akin to an escape from life.” Solo pandemic drinking as a way to "cope" has been my mantra for over a year, but I'm over it and I'm starting another run at sobriety next week. Wish me luck!

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« Reply #1025 on: June 03, 2021, 11:15:46 AM »
Really interesting article on origins of alcohol and its effects.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/america-drinking-alone-problem/619017/

This pretty much sums me up: “Divorced from life’s shared routines, drinking becomes something akin to an escape from life.” Solo pandemic drinking as a way to "cope" has been my mantra for over a year, but I'm over it and I'm starting another run at sobriety next week. Wish me luck!

I am so glad you shared this! I debated sharing it but I thought it was so well written.

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« Reply #1026 on: June 03, 2021, 11:29:19 AM »
You can do it 4Tify!!!!

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« Reply #1027 on: June 03, 2021, 02:48:45 PM »
Really interesting article on origins of alcohol and its effects.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/america-drinking-alone-problem/619017/

This pretty much sums me up: “Divorced from life’s shared routines, drinking becomes something akin to an escape from life.” Solo pandemic drinking as a way to "cope" has been my mantra for over a year, but I'm over it and I'm starting another run at sobriety next week. Wish me luck!
Fantastic article and thanks for sharing it.

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« Reply #1028 on: June 04, 2021, 09:47:58 AM »

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« Reply #1029 on: June 04, 2021, 01:12:44 PM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

Good thinking.

I still get hit with a happy-hour craving, even a year and a half later, but it's no longer for alcohol, just *something*. It's funny because I haven't been working for almost as long as I haven't been drinking, but the end of the "work day" is still very present for me, although that's probably because DH still works, and he works from home, so all day, I still get that work-day feeling despite myself being retired, so I still get the after "work" happy-hour need for something to signal a transition.

Silly brains are silly.

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« Reply #1030 on: June 04, 2021, 01:13:16 PM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

I 100% substituted with sugar for the first week. Then I did fizzy fruit juices and then tea. Good Luck!

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« Reply #1031 on: June 04, 2021, 01:14:11 PM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

I 100% substituted with sugar for the first week. Then I did fizzy fruit juices and then tea. Good Luck!

First week? Man, I think my sugar habit lasted the first year.
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« Reply #1032 on: June 04, 2021, 01:44:20 PM »
I also developed a sugar habit, mostly chocolate and ice cream, now almost 2 years later I can moderate my sugar intake.

I accidently had some of a drink wednesday night, I ordered seltzer and I got what I thought was Kombucha, but it was a draft homemade hard seltzer with 6% alcohol like a strong beer. I only had a few sips, then I gave it to someone else at the table. It had a wiskey flavor to me so I was like is this alcohol?
Since I have no desire to drink ever again, I dont feel it would put me into a relapse. I feel like I am a cognitive non drinker and I really do not think I am addicted to alcohol anymore. I guess this is a test in a way, I do remember when I first quit I had a 1/4 of a beer  and felt like I wanted more, this felt very different. Anyhow I will report back if it is an issue. That was my first night at a bar playing trivia, ( outside covered patio), and I had a amazing time with these people and usually  I would be curious of the craft home brewed beers but I was not tempted in the least. I am so grateful I can go out and "party" with people and not feel the urge to drink.


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« Reply #1033 on: June 04, 2021, 02:26:00 PM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

I 100% substituted with sugar for the first week. Then I did fizzy fruit juices and then tea. Good Luck!

First week? Man, I think my sugar habit lasted the first year.

I am pretty big on intuitive style eating and pretty regularly consume treats (There are no bad foods among foods that I can actually eat!) but   sometime toward the end of my first week of daily ice cream I ordered a shake that basically came topped with multiple other desserts. It was too much and I felt awful for like two days :) I picked up a pack of pelligrino limonata after that and went back to my regular treat routine. 

ETA - This was when I dropped drinking in Jan of this year. A previous time that I cut out drinks I recall feeling way more craving when it came to sugar, I thought about it SO much.
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« Reply #1034 on: June 05, 2021, 09:40:21 AM »



To keep the AF stoke high I considered Annie Grace's 100 Days of Lasting Change Program but it costs $200.  So instead I found a library book:



I am about half way through.  It's quite good and I would recommend it.  It's a bit more focused on spirituality and less on data than I would prefer, but I am a geeky engineer who thinks most books should have more graphs.



I am a scientist by training and I also surprisingly liked that book. I read 3 or 4 sober-lit type books in the first year, and that was the only one I connected with at all (with the exception of a more technical book on the actual neuro-physiology of addiction).

I'm glad you are sleeping better. I still can't believe how much more sleep my body actually needed than I thought it did during my drinking years.

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« Reply #1035 on: June 05, 2021, 09:44:21 AM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

I 100% substituted with sugar for the first week. Then I did fizzy fruit juices and then tea. Good Luck!

First week? Man, I think my sugar habit lasted the first year.

LOL, right?!  I hadn't been a 'sugar' person for decades,  and it definitely took about a year to get my sudden fixation back under control.  I wish it had only been a week.

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« Reply #1036 on: June 05, 2021, 09:46:28 AM »
What the heck I'm in for June. I don't drink massive amounts but I do have a drink or more often lately two most days, and I worry about the habit being "chronic and progressive" as I always hear it framed. That's how my father died. See how the world looks with tea of an evening instead for a bit.

If he were alive he would be 75 today, reason enough to assume this happy hour impulse is just a sugar craving and have a kit kat instead.

I 100% substituted with sugar for the first week. Then I did fizzy fruit juices and then tea. Good Luck!

First week? Man, I think my sugar habit lasted the first year.

LOL, right?!  I hadn't been a 'sugar' person for decades,  and it definitely took about a year to get my sudden fixation back under control.  I wish it had only been a week.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I can't even digest sugar properly, I never even liked it that much as a kid. I'm so happy to be back off of it, it was dreadful.

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« Reply #1037 on: June 08, 2021, 11:13:37 AM »
Way to go Rock tree.

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« Reply #1038 on: June 08, 2021, 01:56:54 PM »
(Now that I've said that some real cravings will likely kick in :-) )

It is wild how much other people care about if you drink or not though. I mentioned to a friend I would not drink at her cook-out and she seems ...very bothered. I'm not abstaining at her!

A LOT of people have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Those are typically the ones who will react most.

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« Reply #1039 on: June 08, 2021, 02:00:28 PM »
Officially going to start this challenge next month! My birthday coincides with the final day of a week-long beach vacation with extended family, so that'll be my last day until starting my "no alcohol cleanse"... which I intend to keep going indefinitely from there.

I drank heavy socially throughout my 20's, but now it's been losing my appeal, doesn't make me feel good, not healthy, and it's become more and more expensive. So this will be that hard line I can draw to myself but also to friends and family who peer pressure me into drinking even when I don't feel like it.

If I get happy hour cravings or I'm with people who are drinking, my plan is to drink kombucha or some sort of other sparkling drink to maybe satisfy the taste buds. I'll report back in when I begin!

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« Reply #1040 on: June 09, 2021, 10:09:43 AM »



To keep the AF stoke high I considered Annie Grace's 100 Days of Lasting Change Program but it costs $200.  So instead I found a library book:



I am about half way through.  It's quite good and I would recommend it.  It's a bit more focused on spirituality and less on data than I would prefer, but I am a geeky engineer who thinks most books should have more graphs.



I am a scientist by training and I also surprisingly liked that book. I read 3 or 4 sober-lit type books in the first year, and that was the only one I connected with at all (with the exception of a more technical book on the actual neuro-physiology of addiction).

I'm glad you are sleeping better. I still can't believe how much more sleep my body actually needed than I thought it did during my drinking years.

Just started this and really enjoying it!

Today is the start of my month off. I’ve got my first “sober” work drinks scheduled with a client tonight. Any ideas how to position it? I am positive he’ll want to share some good times over a couple, and I’ve honestly never not had a drink over client meetings. We agreed to have post pandemic drinks over a month ago.

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« Reply #1041 on: June 09, 2021, 10:50:01 AM »



To keep the AF stoke high I considered Annie Grace's 100 Days of Lasting Change Program but it costs $200.  So instead I found a library book:



I am about half way through.  It's quite good and I would recommend it.  It's a bit more focused on spirituality and less on data than I would prefer, but I am a geeky engineer who thinks most books should have more graphs.



I am a scientist by training and I also surprisingly liked that book. I read 3 or 4 sober-lit type books in the first year, and that was the only one I connected with at all (with the exception of a more technical book on the actual neuro-physiology of addiction).

I'm glad you are sleeping better. I still can't believe how much more sleep my body actually needed than I thought it did during my drinking years.

Just started this and really enjoying it!

Today is the start of my month off. I’ve got my first “sober” work drinks scheduled with a client tonight. Any ideas how to position it? I am positive he’ll want to share some good times over a couple, and I’ve honestly never not had a drink over client meetings. We agreed to have post pandemic drinks over a month ago.

Here's where you have to decide whether or not you want to be open, partially honest, or just full on lie.

Being open in a client context is challenging because as I said above, a lot of people have fucked up relationships with alcohol and can respond poorly to someone choosing to quit. Plus it's none of their fucking business really. This is really only an issue with am existing client who is used to you drinking, if it's a new client, just say you don't drink, it's really that easy.

This leads to partial openness. An example I've given previously is to say that you have a loved one who is trying to quit alcohol and you are quitting with them for now in solidarity and support. They don't need to know that you are the loved one you are trying to support. Most people will be really cool about this.

The last is just to lie. This really is the easiest, and as much as I despise lying in my personal life, I'm a huge fan of strategic untruths in my professional life, because in my work it was my job to keep people at a distance.

Now, I had to quit due to a drug trial, and that made the social aspect of it sooo easy. So if you are looking for a stupidly easy way out of drinking, just say you've been put on a medication thay stops you from drinking.

Say you are on Lyrica for sciatica or something like that, it's used for nerve pain, back pain, etc, shit that almost everyone experiences at some point. Lyrica for me made alcohol get me suuuuuper drunk on just one drink, but only the bad parts of being drunk, like dizzy and nauseous. It was horrible.

It's really nothing to stress about. Just decide how open and vulnerable you want to be with this person and go from there.

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« Reply #1042 on: June 09, 2021, 03:22:16 PM »
@4tify strategic truths and not being weird about it are the key here. You’re taking some meds that don’t work with booze (ie all of them, this is true)/on a break/order something non-alcoholic for you, and treat it as nothing odd.

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« Reply #1043 on: June 10, 2021, 10:28:55 AM »
@4rify- OR get there early and order a non alcoholic beer in a glass no one will know. I drink non alcohol beer at parties and most people assume I am drinking beer, and occasionally they will ask me about my drink then I fess up to the truth. I feel I fit in better. However theses days most people know I am alcohol free.

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« Reply #1044 on: June 14, 2021, 11:21:32 AM »
Hi All - looking for quick relaxation suggestions.

I'm doing well on my no/low drinking (nothing from Jan to mid April and a planned drink every couple of weeks since then) but had a moment yesterday where I thought "I have 20 minutes, maybe, to myself. How can I relax?", and my first thought was a drink.

Yoga is not an option for me, I have issues with hypermobile joints. In general, too much physical activity causes pain so let's stay away from the "take a quick run!" side of suggestions - thanks!
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« Reply #1045 on: June 14, 2021, 11:29:53 AM »
Hi All - looking for quick relaxation suggestions.

I'm doing well on my no/low drinking (nothing through mid april and a planned drink every couple of weeks since then) but had a moment yesterday where I thought "I have 20 minutes, maybe, to myself. How can I relax?", and my first thought was a drink.

Yoga is not an option for me, I have issues with hypermobile joints. In general, too much physical activity causes pain so let's stay away from the "take a quick run!" side of suggestions - thanks!

I do literally 5 minutes of vigorous exercise, it releases the exact same neurochemicals as giving in to an alcohol craving. Remember, the alcohol doesn't actually calm you, it's your own brain's response to giving in to a craving that does.

Otherwise I drink really nice tea, have a bit of dark chocolate, do some mindfulness meditation, or all of the above.

Once the cravings die out, so does the capacity for pouring a drink to relax you. So redirecting that response really helps.

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« Reply #1046 on: June 14, 2021, 06:21:03 PM »
@StarBright Maybe breathing exercises?

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« Reply #1047 on: June 14, 2021, 06:44:10 PM »
@StarBright not a relaxation suggestion, but when I went alcohol-free for a year I needed to initially trick my brain for the first month or so by serving myself water/sparkling water in a wine glass. I found it was the ritual of pouring a liquid and  holding the glass by the stem and sipping something (anything!) that wasn't alcoholic was what I really enjoyed. I went from having a drink most days, to nothing for a year (the first 2 months were *hard*), and now can take it or leave it. All the best.

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« Reply #1048 on: June 14, 2021, 07:09:14 PM »
@StarBright I like a cup of tea in those situations or just 10 min standing outside watching my dog pounce on lizards.

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« Reply #1049 on: June 14, 2021, 07:49:09 PM »
Hi All - looking for quick relaxation suggestions.

I'm doing well on my no/low drinking (nothing through mid april and a planned drink every couple of weeks since then) but had a moment yesterday where I thought "I have 20 minutes, maybe, to myself. How can I relax?", and my first thought was a drink.

Yoga is not an option for me, I have issues with hypermobile joints. In general, too much physical activity causes pain so let's stay away from the "take a quick run!" side of suggestions - thanks!

I do literally 5 minutes of vigorous exercise, it releases the exact same neurochemicals as giving in to an alcohol craving. Remember, the alcohol doesn't actually calm you, it's your own brain's response to giving in to a craving that does.

Otherwise I drink really nice tea, have a bit of dark chocolate, do some mindfulness meditation, or all of the above.

Once the cravings die out, so does the capacity for pouring a drink to relax you. So redirecting that response really helps.

Boo! Malcat - exactly what I didn't want to read :) But I actually just bought a rebounder so 5 minutes of bouncing could be okay.

and thanks @mspym , @lazycow, and @Peony ! I probably have to recalibrate to find those things relaxing but they are all excellent ideas.
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