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Title: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on August 23, 2015, 02:07:33 PM
EDIT/UPDATE: What is Whole 30?

This thread is getting a little long, it's full of some awesome and totally supportive mustachians! For those that don't know, Whole 30 http://whole30.com/ (http://whole30.com/) is a 30 DAY program designed to cut out food groups you might have issues with so your body can heal, reset and you can figure out how food affect YOU.

It is basically a stricter version of Paleo. It's good place to start if you want to go that way long term (it also helps you figure out your mental and emotional relationship with food)

Want to quite sugar? It is a great plan for that too!

RESULTS:  EVery mustachian so far in our group has seen some positive effects. Wieght loss, reliving of syptoms, reduction in chronic pain, higher energy levels. Everyone is diffferent, your milage will vary. BUt it's only 30 days (although many of us have kept on longer or are doing a modified version of the program to fit their needs and goals)

Hi Musiatchians!

EDIT/UPDATE: Several mustachians took up the September challenge, we have had a few join along the way. What we discovered is such a drastic change in quality of life and life style, many are sticking with it (or finding their own healthier groove) and this thread is a WEALTH of info and support. So...Wherever you are on your whole 30 journey, Starting out, or well on your way, please join us!

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Hubs and I are going to be doing our first "Whole-30" starting Sept 8th. Why Sept 8th? We have a large family reunion the weekend before and no control over the food. Also, our 2nd Anniversary is on the 7th, so figured it would be a good, healthy way to start a new year of marriage.

So...anyone want to join us? Anyone have any specific hints/tips/recipes/experiences they would like to share?

I'm thinking my biggest challenge is making sure Hubs has enough to eat. He's not very keen on most egg preparations, mushrooms or avocados and is pretty reliant on carbs. If anyone wants to join us, that'd be awesome!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ender on August 23, 2015, 03:45:23 PM
My wife and I did this earlier this summer. I found it very easy to be full and not hungry but my wife was much more hungry.

Sweet potatoes are a great staple-ish food. We made quite a few bakes with them, which were great.

Some meals we liked:

 - Baked veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, sweat potatoes, etc) with Italian sausage
 - Stirfry can be great, just no rice
 - crock pot - pork spare ribs, tomatoes, onion, frozen peaches, some spices. This is something I loved and we still make

I liked it, I find a lot of these meals to be better. Bulk meat is a good thing to think of.

For snacks, we kept around some nuts/raisins which I liked (Sams has good deals on these).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on August 23, 2015, 04:14:18 PM
My wife and I did this earlier this summer. I found it very easy to be full and not hungry but my wife was much more hungry.

Sweet potatoes are a great staple-ish food. We made quite a few bakes with them, which were great.

Some meals we liked:

 - Baked veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, sweat potatoes, etc) with Italian sausage
 - Stirfry can be great, just no rice
 - crock pot - pork spare ribs, tomatoes, onion, frozen peaches, some spices. This is something I loved and we still make

I liked it, I find a lot of these meals to be better. Bulk meat is a good thing to think of.

For snacks, we kept around some nuts/raisins which I liked (Sams has good deals on these).

Thanks, Ender :)

The crockpot chicken with peaches sound great! We have a lamb and chicken order coming in so we should be good for meat, although some of our cured pork products have sugar in them - so we might have to get some non-cured stuff. We live in an area with lots of local organic farmers, we are very fortunate in that regard!

Hubs loves stir-fry's but most of the sauces he uses have some form of sugar or soy in them, so it is going to take a little bit of brain retraining (or just being super conscious) of it so we can find alternatives.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on August 24, 2015, 01:55:32 PM
I'm in!  I did my first Whole 30 in July and LOVED it!  Unfortunately I didn't do the reintroduction phase as planned (due to vacation/family visiting), and of course now I feel like crap.  I may start a little earlier, just because I want to feel good again. 

My biggest tip is to keep it simple.  What worked for me was to make the same thing for breakfast all week, the same thing for lunch all week, and then mix it up a little for supper or on the weekends.  I know some people don't want to eat the same thing over and over again, but it really works for me. 

It was surprising easy the first time around, other than finding things without sugar!  That was my biggest eye opener....sugar in EVERYTHING!  You (We) can do it!  You will not be sorry you did!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on August 24, 2015, 02:25:36 PM
I'm in!  I did my first Whole 30 in July and LOVED it!  Unfortunately I didn't do the reintroduction phase as planned (due to vacation/family visiting), and of course now I feel like crap.  I may start a little earlier, just because I want to feel good again. 

My biggest tip is to keep it simple.  What worked for me was to make the same thing for breakfast all week, the same thing for lunch all week, and then mix it up a little for supper or on the weekends.  I know some people don't want to eat the same thing over and over again, but it really works for me. 

It was surprising easy the first time around, other than finding things without sugar!  That was my biggest eye opener....sugar in EVERYTHING!  You (We) can do it!  You will not be sorry you did!

WHOOT! Looking forward to having the company! Funny you should mention the re-introduction phase. I have been reading a lot of people's blogs about doing the whole-30...but none of them really go into the re-introduction part.  I'm rather curious how it will all go for us. I imagine I'll learn some things I'd rather not know!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: CryingInThePool on August 24, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
I'll be just coming off my 3rd Whole 30 at August end; I'm in a month on then off rotation at the moment so not sure I'll line up with you this year but I'll follow along with interest.   

Personally I find it easier to do the Whole 30 in summer.  A variety of Salads and grilled vegetables = less effort/burn out for me. 

I'll probably squeeze in one more before the end of the year but want to do my first Whole 90 starting in January if anybody wants to psyche themselves up for that.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on August 24, 2015, 04:13:07 PM
I'll be just coming off my 3rd Whole 30 at August end; I'm in a month on then off rotation at the moment so not sure I'll line up with you this year but I'll follow along with interest.   

I'll probably squeeze in one more before the end of the year but want to do my first Whole 90 starting in January if anybody wants to psyche themselves up for that.

Wow, that is awesome! Any chance you can share some of your experiences? How are you feeling? Notice any improvements?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ender on August 24, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
My biggest tip is to keep it simple.  What worked for me was to make the same thing for breakfast all week, the same thing for lunch all week, and then mix it up a little for supper or on the weekends.  I know some people don't want to eat the same thing over and over again, but it really works for me. 

Yeah this is helpful too.

For breakfasts, I was just having a tilapia filet (Aldi's has them about $5.50 for 2#) fried in a pan. Works great, and I'm still doing it since they come perfectly packaged into individual filets!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: CryingInThePool on August 24, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
Like many I find it easier to stay on and be totally strict for 30 days vs. WW or others where you have more flexibility.   YMMV but I've found flexibility is not my friend in the case of weight loss. 

First off I've been gluten free for almost 5 years and I've done rounds of sugar fasting in the past so I didn't really hit the 'carb wall' or maybe feel the extremes that total newbies would.  Seconding the previous poster about using sweet potatoes judicially - I usually start week one with a small one baked and cut up into a cold salad portioned for the week.  +1 on batch cooking for breakfast and having the same thing all week.

First time round it was bit expensive too as I had to test and try new condiments but now Coconut Aminos & Red Boat are just staples like Ranch and Mayo used to be.  I'm also much better at estimating how greens and vegetables are going to cook up/last for meal planning so less spoiled food and my Spiralizer is already a sunk cost.   To be successful I think you really have to try and eat foods and spices you wouldn't normally buy.  Squash and Fish got more play for me but whatever your blank spot is keep the recipes simple but ingredients expansive.

Liquids.  I don't drink coffee and I had already kicked Pop a few years back.  While you don't have to be caffeine free I decided to give it up too. It was a mental argument I made that this wasn't a diet it was a fast to reset my body.  So I gave up the unsweetened ice tea in the morning too.  Which basically means I drink only water during Whole30.  That's actually something I stick with between Whole 30s now; I add back in Wine and Alcohol but still mostly drink just water.

I don't weigh myself as per their advice.  The biggest changes for me are in how I feel and how my clothes fit.  Don't get me wrong I've lost weight too but it's secondary to how differently my clothes fit and my body feels.  It's pretty exciting when clothes that were tight on you switch to super loose and then --OMG I think this is too big for me.  Feeds the virtuous circle that keeps me coming back to the Whole 30 again and again.   


 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on August 25, 2015, 05:53:53 AM
My go-to breakfast is coconut milk/banana smoothie - easy and full of fat/protein goodness. Normally I'll add some peanut butter but that's out under Whole-30 so I'll either go without or will substitute almond butter if allowed.

I'm not trying to be a rule-nazi....but I know the program recommends to not do smoothies/protein shakes.  The reason is because it's becoming a trigger food for people.  But, I'll leave it up to you to do your reading and see what you think.

I'm in the same boat with the carb-binge.  Gotta get clear again!  I'm going to start on Sept. 1 too.
Title: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: IndyPendent on August 25, 2015, 06:09:13 AM
My wife and I have done a couple of whole 30 stretches this year (just finished another, actually).

1) Whomever mentioned the impossibility of finding most foods without sugar is spot on
2) Don't try to go whole 30 and give up a raging caffeine addiction together. Pick one.
3) Do expect to see all the stages of resetting they discuss. Examples are fatigue and "kill all the things"
4) Do NOT kid yourself and sneak just one thing--your body is not fooled and you will set your progress back.
5) Do experiment with new foods, or you will hate eggs by the end.
6) Do expect your grocery budget to go haywire, especially if you are used to staples like rice, beans, white bread, etc. There are ways to reduce the bill to MMM levels but it takes a while to figure it out.

My wife has a bunch of recipes she's assembled or created as we do whole 30ish eating most of the time anyway, except for wine occasionally. If anyone wants them I'll collect them in a pdf and share them on Google drive.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on August 25, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
Thanks for sharing your experiences cryinginthepool, what is "Red Boat"?

I don't know what I am going to do on the caffeine front. I know I should quit and have several times over the years (you'd think after spending 3 days on the floor each time, I'd get the hint that year those are classic withdrawal symptoms)

I blame my love of good coffee on being Danish and working in and then managing an independent coffee shop starting when I was 16. 4 shot affogato for breakfast? sure seems like a good idea! (sarcasm)

So going to switch to tea for the whole 30, maybe splurge on some matcha. I don't like black coffee unless it is super high quality (Gosh I sound like a snob) so going to spend the money instead on some better food ingredients. But a splash of steamed milk in a french press is just lovely. I have been trying some of those "Paleo" cream substitutes ...blech!

Wow I got side tracked! IndyPendent - if you and your wife would be willing to share a google Doc of tried and tested recipes, that would be amazing!

RE: starting earlier in September, that is awesome! I can learn from all of you :)

Hubby also has the week of the 8th off, that is another reason I chose the date it will allow us to have a week of adjusting and cooking together and trying to sort out breakfasts and lunches and such before we have to worry about feeding him at work. He usually gets dinner leftovers. At least his lunchmates won't tease him during the whole 30 about never having "MEAT" in his lunch kit. He usually does, but we tend to use meat more as a flavor accent, so should be interesting.

To add to the challenge, we are trying really hard not to eat any food made in China and support local as much as we can. This  will probably make our grocery budget higher, we tend to eat a lot of beans and lentils and supplement with higher quality meat.

Has anyone made their own Ghee?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: rugorak on August 25, 2015, 01:41:48 PM
My GF and I just are getting off it. She made ghee aka clarified butter. Basically just put in in a pan over a low heat and strain it if I remember correctly. Be careful not to do it too much or it will brown some. She actually likes it that way. I didn't.

My GF was much better off than I was. I was cranky and hungry a lot. She was hungry a lot too but felt a lot better. We both lost some weight. She had/has more to lose so maybe that makes a difference. We've both been paleo/keto/low carb/whatever you want to call it for a while so it wasn't a huge thing for either of us. Just the little things. Lack of cheese for her and lack of a little honey in my green tea for me. Besides the taste since I started having some local honey in my tea my seasonal pollen allergies have been so much better. I used to have to take antihistamines at least once a week from May until October but since only once or twice a year.

On the plus side we are planning on reducing our sweeteners and paleo treats to much lower levels than prior to this. I think that is the biggest thing to get out of it. Find out what your "bad" foods are and make adjustments for you. We are still easing back into things but just a few tiny things are making us both feel much better.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on August 25, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
My GF and I just are getting off it. She made ghee aka clarified butter. Basically just put in in a pan over a low heat and strain it if I remember correctly. Be careful not to do it too much or it will brown some. She actually likes it that way. I didn't.


I learned from doing the Whole30 that there is a difference between clarified butter and ghee. Clarified button is if you do NOT let it brown. If you let it brown, then it's called ghee, and has more of a nutty flavor.  I made clarified butter the first time around (still have some in my fridge) and I used it mainly for frying eggs. I didn't think there was much flavor to clarified butter, since you're supposed to make it with unsalted butter. Boooo!  I found the salt made a big difference in the flavor. I might have to try ghee next time and see if there is more flavor.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: sugarsnap on August 26, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
I just finished. I have auto immune issues so I didn't see the "Super Amazing Energy!!" As I think it takes my body longer to heal. I lost 8lbs.  I've been dairy free for 5 years and mostly sugar free and I didn't really get a carb flu or anything like that.

My digestion is better and it's really great to feel full for hours and not need to snack. It was hard for me to get used to eating lots of fats and meats and I still haven't found a great breakfast besides eggs even though I'm not a big fan of eggs.

I didn't try many whole30 recipes, I just kept to the basics. Palm size portion of meat, a bunch of veggies and some fats. I had a lot of chicken salads with avocado and homemade basaltic dressing.

I'll be keeping to the whole30 for another few months but I will have some wine and a few squares of dark chocolate occasionally as well as muffins made from whole30 ingredients.

I haven't tried adding in gluten again and I'm a little afraid to do so! I don't plan on eating dairy. I'll probably get a little more lax about trace sugar in foods but continue to avoid it where I can. I guess I'll try out soy at some point.

I didn't find it hard to find stuff to eat at all. I had chipotle once which was slightly off plan because of the wrong type of oil. I also reverted to regular paleo (had some rice and honey, and a small bit of jerkey with soy) on a grueling multi day backpacking trip but otherwise was easily able to comply 100%.

Good luck! I find I'm feeding my whole family better now. My husband lost 10 lbs just by eating the food I cooked for dinner but not going paleo or whole30. Men!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on August 31, 2015, 08:51:15 PM
Go Eirene! I'm starting tomorrow too. I'm not quit as well planned this time, but I at least have the basics ready to go. I'm impressed you found chicken that only has whole ingredients. I couldn't find any my first time, so I made a lot from scratch. Which is kinda the point.

Breakfast is scrambled eggs with fresh salsa, fruit
Lunch is lettuce, tomatoes and tuna. Nothing fancy.
Supper is salmon with veggies, maybe green beans and potatoes
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Naomi on September 01, 2015, 04:46:16 AM
I've been thinking about doing this again and just saw this thread. Last year, I made it through day 15 and was just tired of it. I'm going to start today and try to make it the whole 30 days this time.
I bought some meat and vegetables last night to start with and want to keep track of how much $ I spend. I'm not going to try to figure out the cost of stuff that I already have though.

chicken - $15.55 (2.36 lbs)
beef - $ 17.68 (2 lbs)
green beans - $5.99 (2 lbs)
baby spinach - $4.49 (1 lb)
eggs - $3.55 (16). I buy eggs from a guy w/ backyard chickens - 18 for $4, but my husband ate 2.

I guess this is a start. I have some watermelon, 1 grapefruit and some strawberries in the freezer and that's about all the food I have in the house right now anyway. I'm going to need some more vegetables.

breakfast - eggs w/ spinach and watermelon
lunch - chicken and green beans
dinner - idk

I work 12.5 hr night shifts and sometimes only eat twice a day so may just do that instead of trying to plan 3 meals/day.


Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: eyePod on September 01, 2015, 08:44:43 AM
I freaking loved doing this. The first two weeks were absolutely miserable. Over plan and overcook. We didnt' do this. Went to the gym, brought some snacks for after, and then went to see harry potter (the last one - it was like 3+ hours). We then went shopping. My wife almost broke down into tears when she coudln't find a sauce for chicken that wasn't approved.

In the end though, we had a great routine after 2 weeks and had a blast with the rest of it.

On the whole, I've taken some of my lessons. I don't drink milk anymore (didn't realize how bad it was making my bathroom time) and I drink my coffee black. I eat more veggies, although it's definitely not enough.

I lost 10 lbs when I did it even though I ate non-stop. I was also at my most fit and playing lots of volleyball and doing crossfit 3x per week so that's not very surprising.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: FausseBourgeoise on September 01, 2015, 08:50:39 AM
I did a whole30 in February. I had picked up running again and lost 15 lbs in 6 months, then on the W30 I lost another 15 lbs.
The main reason I wanted to do the W30 is because I tend to get bingey on sugar. I am the sort of person who can flip a switch in my head and just cut something out entirely if it is forbidden, so this worked very well for me.
That said, I went on vacation and started up eating a bunch of non W30 stuff again and started to gain weight back. I kind of want to do it again but I think I will just force my cooking to trend W30.

Non-scale victories? Yes definitely energy, better, faster, stronger workouts. Clearer skin. Moods evened out after a few days.
The timeline they describe was fairly accurate. I needed naps at times, I found 'tiger blood' at a certain point as well.

I ate a LOT of eggs and used a lot of coconut milk. I also did trays of chicken thighs with salt, pepper and paprika. Those were my go-to items. I did go and buy some alternative flours and coconut aminos that were on sale -- didn't use the flours much and did enjoy the coconut aminos as a soy sauce substitute. After the program there's a much cheaper replica recipe that uses trace amounts of sugar I've been meaning to try.

At times I absolutely had to eat more than 3 meals a day. Do not worry about eating too much food. I did up sweet potatoes, roasted carrots and yams for when I was after something "substantial". Zoodles and cauli-rice are your friend. I didn't really miss any of the foods in particular, it just required work. And it is more expensive, but eye-opening.

What worked for me was making a big pan of something, eating a bit of it, then an hour and a half later finishing it off as a 'snack'.
Yes, they speak against 'snacks' but the thing is it took me about a week to be able to force myself to eat those huge quantities of food required in one go.

Also on Saturdays when I work and don't have time to have a real sit-down, I hauled out nut butters, bananas, coconut flakes, veggies, and little pieces of chicken. It wasn't "perfect", it wasn't "template", but it was what I needed to do to make it through the program.

EDIT: Beverages!! I almost forgot. Black coffee is not that bad. I cut it with coconut milk now but on W30 I drank it straight. Also, lemon juice in water is a lifesaver, and will taste amazingly sweet, so so so good.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: CryingInThePool on September 01, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
+1 on the lemon juice in water...  total lifesaver.   I'd recommend avoiding the generic brand lemon juices or plastic fruit container types.  I found those upset my stomach and left at bad taste in my mouth. 

Totally worth the extra couple of $$ for a good organic brand - i prefer the Santa Cruz Organic Lemon Juice.  I bought multiple bottles; one for work, home, parents house.    It's also good  in a pinch for W30 based marinades.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 01, 2015, 10:50:49 AM
Shout for water too!  I didn't do lemon water, just plain old ice water.  Make sure to drink a lot of water (for me it is 100+ oz a day) at least for the first week.  I found it really helped me during my first round of Whole30 in July.  I didn't even have a sugar-headache, which was a huge thing.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: eyePod on September 01, 2015, 12:24:54 PM
orange water is better than lemon water.

Oh, and Frank's red hot is allowed and should be put on everything.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: eyePod on September 02, 2015, 04:36:08 AM
Eggs. I love eggs. I was eating ~7 eggs a day when I was on whole 30. LOL. Now the price has gone up a TON though. Over $20 for my 7.5 dozen from Sams Club.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 02, 2015, 07:35:41 AM
How was day 1 for the few that started today?  About half way through the day, I thought why the heck am I doing this again?  But, I quickly got over it and made it fine the rest of the day.  I don't make my boys abide by the rules 100% so that makes it a little harder, but I have to remind myself that it just makes it more challenging for me, and I like a good challenge. 

The salmon wasn't thawed in time for supper, so I ended up making a big batch of crumbled turkey sausage (which I use almost the whole week). Since my boys had already eaten left overs, and it was getting really late for my supper, I used a little turkey sausage with 2 eggs, added some oil for the fat, plus a little fruit, and called it good.  Not the ideal day, since I was too low on veggies, but today will be better.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 02, 2015, 10:00:02 AM
Been out of town without an internet connection, so stoked to see how everyone is doing!

Good tip on the Franks hot sauce! Anyone else have suggestions for condiments that are approved?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 02, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
There are a lot of salsas that are compliant.  I have a couple from Natural Grocers (can't remember the name), but I think that even Pace is compliant.  I'm going off memory, so please read the labels just incase I'm remembering wrong. 

I'm dying to try some of the sauces from Tessemae's. http://www.tessemaes.com/  I checked at my local Whole Foods, which was supposed to carry them, but they didn't have them.  Frustrating! So, I may just have to order online and have them shipped.

EDIT:  I forgot to mention that the Tessemae's website has a filter for Whole30 so you can be sure to only order things that are compliant.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 04, 2015, 02:37:17 PM
I've decided this weekend I'm going to finally try to make mayo.  I've always been a little scared of trying, due to what seems like a lot of failure that I've heard from others. Need something new to add to my meals, besides salsa. May even venture and try the BBQ sauce from the Whole30 book. Anyone else had any luck with the sauces?  If they fail, I may finally break down and order some Tessemae's. I'm holding off since I also want to do the Savetember challenge.  No wastin' money!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 07, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
Swick, are you ready for tomorrow? Eirene and Naomi, haven't heard from you in a while. Still on track?

This round has been even easier for me so far. I'm getting into a good routine with the food options. I haven't tried making the mayo yet, but I did make the chicken coconut curry from the whole30 book. Wowza! That is amazingly good. I made a double batch of the sauce and have been using it for multiple meals.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 07, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
Still ready to join you, although I have been super, duper sick for the past week and haven't been eating much of anything. Can still do oil of oregano, but my throat is not going to be a happy camper not being able to take some menthol drops. Will have to experiment, maybe some slippery elm tea.

Found these recipes for mayo/ghee sauces, might help, mom22boys? I'll be trying them.
http://whole30.com/2014/08/mayo-ghee-sauces/ (http://whole30.com/2014/08/mayo-ghee-sauces/) would you be able to share the chicken currey recipe? Sounds good!

I have a fridge full of veggies Lack of appetite and several CSA drops, so should be good once we get going :)

How is everyone else doing? Any wins? Challenges?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 07, 2015, 11:27:28 PM
How is everyone else doing? Any wins? Challenges?

I've been waffling, but now I'm in. I celebrated tomorrow's start with 2 donuts, some doritos, and a strawberry flavoured ale. Now I don't feel so good :(
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Naomi on September 08, 2015, 05:00:57 AM
I'm still in. I worked an extra shift this past week so my eating was pretty boring -a lot of leftovers. Starting this has been surprisingly easy compared to the last time I tried. No major cravings or sugar/carb withdrawal. I felt really tired the first couple of days, but just focused on the food and stopped working out. Now I feel I back to normal though and am working out again.
Making mayo is really easy if you have an immersion blender. I've been making it w/one for years. I remember trying to make it by hand w/a whisk before, but don't remember if it worked. The whole 30 recipes swick linked to are pretty standard way of doing it.
And since I'm on mmm - still tracking my spending...

marinara sauce, crushed tomatoes,tomato paste - $7.16
potatoes - $6.98 (6 lbs)
carrots - $0.79 (1 lb)
onions- $1.40 (1.41 lbs)
grapes - $2.14 (2.16 lbs)
watermelon - $5.99
So, I've spent $71.72 + whatever I already had at home (was not very much at all). I shouldn't have to buy anything for at least another week though -except maybe evoo. Probably more expensive than eating rice and beans, but I don't think it's too bad.

My biggest thing is just getting bored cooking/eating the same stuff so I hope to see more people posting w/ more ideas since today is officially the start date.






Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Dulcimina on September 08, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
I'm in. I wasn't quite prepared, so I had stew for breakfast. I also brought in some chicken zoodle soup for lunch, so I feel like I'm set for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 08, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
The recipe for the chicken coconut curry is in the Whole30 book, but here's how I made it (which is kinda a double portion of the recipe in the book). This is one recipe where you don't have to measure the ingredients perfect. You can make it to your taste.

Sauce
4 tsp olive oil
3/4 onion, diced small
4 cloves garlic, minced
1 1/2 Tbls yellow curry powder
1 can stewed tomatoes (I used 4 medium fresh tomatoes from my mom's garden)
1/2 cup coconut cream (the cream, not the milk, in a can of coconut milk), put the can in the fridge for a little bit to help the cream solidify more, easier to get it out
1 tsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper

Heat the olive oil over medium heat. Add the onion and cook until clear (about 2-3 minutes). Add the minced garlic. After you smell the garlic (about 30 sec), add the curry powder. Cook for about 1-2 minutes, making sure to not let it burn. Add the tomatoes and simmer for about 3-4 minutes, until the tomatoes break down.  Pour the mixture into a blender/food processor and pulse it until somewhat smooth (I pulsed about 5 times, and there were a few little chunks). Let the mixture cool a little, and then mix in the coconut cream, salt and pepper. (I left the mixture a little warm so that the cream melted into the sauce better.)

It's great on meat, but we also put it on our veggies and baked potatoes. For using it on meat, see below:

Chicken
Preheat the grill to 500. I used legs, thighs, and breast pieces. Cover the chicken top and bottom with the sauce (marinade a few minutes).  Put the chicken on the grill with the meat side down (if you have a bone in piece like thighs) for about 3 minutes. After that, the meat should pull away from the grates pretty easy, so flip and finish cooking over indirect heat (if possible). About 10-15 minutes depending on how thick the meat is.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: CryingInThePool on September 08, 2015, 09:54:07 AM
For the person who asked about Red Boat & other sauces a few links below.   Good luck to all.  Since I just came off a W30 last week I won't join you just yet but thinking the thread will help keep bad habits in check.

My W30 Staples:
www.amazon.com/dp/B00K6ZJ1W2
www.amazon.com/dp/B00P9I8U0U
www.amazon.com/dp/B00LLW3QD4
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 08, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Hullo there mom22boys. I haven't tried paleo BBQ sauce, but I'm going to encourage you to make mayonnaise like a crazed cheerleader. Mayonnaise makers are like a secret tribe, and oh man, are we smug jerkfaces. Because we know how easy mayo is, compared to how terrifying people thing it is. Please come join us! We have cake*

I really like nomnom paleo's version, which can be found here: http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3440774534/paleo-mayonnaise (http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3440774534/paleo-mayonnaise). She has good descriptions. If you've never made an emulsion before, the key is to add the oil very, very, very slowly at first. Alton Brown has a great segment on the the science behind emulsions in his Mayonnaise episode. I can't find it on YouTube, but it might be on Netflix.

As an aside, can anyone teach me how to embed links into words, instead of having the whole link visible? I want to be one of the smart kids.


*On second thought, I guess we don't have cake. Sooooo, yeah.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 08, 2015, 11:24:30 AM
Hullo there mom22boys. I haven't tried paleo BBQ sauce, but I'm going to encourage you to make mayonnaise like a crazed cheerleader. Mayonnaise makers are like a secret tribe, and oh man, are we smug jerkfaces. Because we know how easy mayo is, compared to how terrifying people thing it is. Please come join us! We have cake*

I really like nomnom paleo's version, which can be found here: Paleo Mayo (http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3440774534/paleo-mayonnaise). She has good descriptions. If you've never made an emulsion before, the key is to add the oil very, very, very slowly at first. Alton Brown has a great segment on the the science behind emulsions in his Mayonnaise episode. I can't find it on YouTube, but it might be on Netflix.

As an aside, can anyone teach me how to embed links into words, instead of having the whole link visible? I want to be one of the smart kids.


*On second thought, I guess we don't have cake. Sooooo, yeah.

So to make a clickable link you: Click "Insert your hyperlink" button

This will give you your url block. Add your website address in the first block (after url=) then add the text you want to show up between the blocks

It will look like this but with square brackets replacing the regular brackets.
(url=http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3440774534/paleo-mayonnaise)Paleo Mayo(/url)

PS your post was awesome, it made me laugh this morning :) I am a proud card-carrying member of the mayo-makers club :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 08, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
Please come join us! We have cake*

*On second thought, I guess we don't have cake. Sooooo, yeah.

Sailor Sam - LOL....now you have me thinking about eating cake!  But, the beauty is that the thought passed really quick.  I love Whole30 and how it helps get those temptations out of your system.  Thanks also for the nomnompaleo tip too!  What do you use for oil, avocado or the light olive oil? Or both or other? I'm really excited to try this, but I need to get the oil first.

Naomi mentioned using an immersion blender so I got one at Costco this weekend (Yes, bad for my Savetember, but health is important!). I read more blogs this weekend, and it sounds like the immersion blender can work miracles for mayo. 

Swick - Bummer about being sick!  Hope you're feeling well enough to start today. And thanks for the tip on the url.  I didn't know that either.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 08, 2015, 11:44:30 AM
Thinking finding breakfast stuff is going to be the most challenging. Primarily because I didn't plan that well. Best of intentions and all that.

I'm getting a delivery of duck and chicken eggs and a Turkey this afternoon. Planning on going to the store for some avocados, bananas and sweet potatoes, and some light olive oil for mayo.

I made some ratatouille out of our CSA garden veggies which I'll add some ground beef to make a stew. Maybe serve it over some cauli-rice. 

I did have a bit of success with making some Pecan Milk. By far the best soaked-nut milk I have made so far. Tasted awesome in some coffee with a bit of coconut oil.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 08, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
I'm still in. I worked an extra shift this past week so my eating was pretty boring -a lot of leftovers.

My biggest thing is just getting bored cooking/eating the same stuff so I hope to see more people posting w/ more ideas since today is officially the start date.

Yeah Naomi!  Glad you're still sticking with it.  Last week I did a lot of leftovers too, and you know what?  That's ok! Do what you need to do to make it work. My first round in July I kept it really basic. This time I'm keeping it basic for breakfast and sometimes lunch, but trying to expand my recipe options for some slower weeknights and weekends.  This weekend I was at my parents, and I had the Whole30 book along, because I'm trying to convince them to also do this. (Mom has high BP for years and both are constantly on a 'diet'.) That's when we tried the chicken coconut curry from the book and WOW was I impressed.  The good thing....so were my parents!  I think it finally convinced them to try it, and they are going to start tomorrow.

Here are some other ideas (some of which I make and some I plan to make this round):
 - Chicken fajitas (with my own seasonings) and then eat it over romaine with guacamole
 - Beef stew
 - Chili (without the beans of course)
 - Pork chops (want to try the recipe in the Whole30 book with the walnut crust)
 - Shrimp with the same sauce from the chicken coconut curry
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Bob W on September 08, 2015, 12:03:01 PM
Yeah,  sign me up.   Won't be following the exact whole 30 but refocusing on my low carb, high nutrient focus.   No booze of course.  Reviewing the Whole 30 site now. 

Thanks for the motivation.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 08, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
It will look like this but with square brackets replacing the regular brackets.
(url=http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3440774534/paleo-mayonnaise)Paleo Mayo(/url)

PS your post was awesome, it made me laugh this morning :) I am a proud card-carrying member of the mayo-makers club :D

Yes! Thank you so much. Now I can insert with the best of em.

I'm glad I could bring you a moment of levity. It's wonderful to make people genuinely laugh.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 08, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
What do you use for oil, avocado or the light olive oil? Or both or other? I'm really excited to try this, but I need to get the oil first.

I've used both, and found I vastly prefer avocado oil. I just like the taste better. But both oils work just fine for actually making the sauce.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 09, 2015, 09:25:49 PM
So, how's it going? It's so quite here. Is everyone too busy laying on the floor and wailing to be on the interwebz?

I just finished making ranch dressing, using coconut milk. I can't eat dairy, so this has been a pantry staple for years. But it has never tasted so good as the glorious explosion of rainbow pooping unicorn that happened in my mouth today. Despite stuffing food into my maw on a regular, I'm starving. I've been starving for 2 days. And I have a headache.

Anyone feel like commiserating? If not, I'm just, you know, gonna go back to laying on the floor and wailing.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 09, 2015, 09:59:20 PM
It's worth it just to read your updates, Sailor Sam :)

Things are going ok, I have no idea of it is whole 30 or just the fact that I am recovering from traveler's plague and the vertigo/nausia/general ick is from that. Just about hit the deck this morning.

We are finding breakfasts a challenge, hubby really likes texture and isn't big on eggs. Breakfasts are usually carby starchy goodness so it is a bit of an adjustment.

We are also not good at the whole three meal a day thing, we skipped lunch and had an early supper, so will have to eat something before bed. I'm use to lots of little meals because I have hypoglycimia...so I might have to experiment and see what actually works for me.

How is everyone else doing?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 10, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
But it has never tasted so good as the glorious explosion of rainbow pooping unicorn that happened in my mouth today.

Agree Swick....I love reading Sailor Sam's posts too.  I'm not sure I've had the pleasure of 'rainbow pooping unicorn' in my mouth, but the coconut curry sauce was darn close.  I am soooo wanting to try the mayo, but living the life of a single mom makes it hard to hit the groceries whenever I want/need avocado oil to make it.  Tomorrow my boys go to their dad's so I think this will be experiment-with-new-foods weekend. Mayo (aka rainbow pooping unicorn) here I come!!!

As far as other things, it's going awesome.  Yesterday I realized how HAPPY I was!  On Monday I was a grump to the kiddos, but the last few days I just can't get the smile off my face. I'm feeling great. I've had a few times where I've felt like snacking, but then I've stepped back and realized it's just my old ugly habits rearing their heads, and I wasn't really hungry.

Swick and Sailor...hope you get over the ickies soon.  I SOOOO hate the vertigo/nausea junk.  I actually had extreme dizziness about 10 years ago, and it was the worst thing ever. The doctors could never figure out what it was (not vertigo, meneir's disease, etc). Anyway, dizziness runs in my family, and I have noticed since on the Whole30 that I don't get it anymore. LOVE THIS EATING! 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 10, 2015, 07:35:59 AM
Yeah,  sign me up.   Won't be following the exact whole 30 but refocusing on my low carb, high nutrient focus.   No booze of course.  Reviewing the Whole 30 site now. 

Thanks for the motivation.

Forgot to say welcome Bob! Congrats for cutting back on the junk.  I know you said you weren't going to do the exact Whole30, but I would highly recommend it.  It's really been a life changer for me.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Naomi on September 10, 2015, 08:26:08 AM
I was so annoyed/stressed out when I left work this morning. Then, I had to stop by the grocery store and wanted to buy/eat all the junk food, but did not. I came home and ate some "buffalo chicken" (home made mayo+ frank's hot sauce), green beans, potatoes, and watermelon.
I'm about to walk to the store and grab a few things and then go to bed.
Thinking about a hamburger for dinner w/ some potatoes and something green.
I don't think white potatoes were allowed the first time I tried this last year ? I hate sweet potatoes -regardless of how they're cooked. Probably why I only made it 15 days. I'm running a lot more right now and there's no way I'd be able to do it w/out the extra carbs.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 10, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
Great to hear, Mom22boys. Sounds like there is hope. One thing hubs and I have noticed, not sure if it is normal? It's like constant hunger, you eat you go from over-full and pass right through back to hungry without ever feeling "normal"

Awesome job, Naomi! I think they let potatoes in end of 2014. Its great that you didn't give into the junkfood cravings!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on September 10, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
Didn't see this thread before, but coincidentally my girlfriend and I started this on Monday.  We've been 70%-99% paleo for the past two years, so this is more of a "reset" than a vast change for us.

We made this earlier in the week, and it made enough to be a side for a few different meals: http://nomnompaleo.com/post/1356598429/worlds-best-braised-green-cabbage

Last night we had salmon and steamed artichokes.

Tonight we're making this: http://vahuntergatherers.com/2012/03/05/curried-ground-pork-with-carrots-and-celery/  I've made it before and it's quite good.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 10, 2015, 11:57:53 AM
Naomi - Great job on staying away from the junk.  I gotta try the buffalo chicken that you mentioned, sounds amazing!

Swick - I can't say that I've had the Full - Hungry direct flip without feeling 'normal' between.  One thing I do between meals though is drink water, water, water. Have you tried that? You often hear that people often truly aren't hungry but really just thirsty. I found that to be true with me.  Of course everyone is different. :-)

Ketchup - Glad you're joining us, by accident!  That cabbage dish sounds delish.....I've just discovered Nomnompaleo.com and I love it. The biggest thing I struggle with on Whole30 is what to serve for side dishes. and getting more variety.  I better try this one, and also I just read her recipe for the riced cauliflower.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 10, 2015, 01:30:53 PM
One thing hubs and I have noticed, not sure if it is normal? It's like constant hunger, you eat you go from over-full and pass right through back to hungry without ever feeling "normal"

This could* be an issue with switching from glycogensis (where body energy is derived from glucose) to ketogenesis (where energy is derived from fatty acids). Both systems are hormonal processes, and both end with ATP in your cells. BUT hunger and satiety signals are also hormonal processes, which is (probably) currently keyed to glycogenesis. Your body is getting the energy from ketogenesis, but the satiety is bypassing the 'I'm full' hormone. Secondary problem, cells that has existed only under glycogenesis can also be very inefficient while first switching over to accepting energy from ketogenesis. These cells lack metabolic flexibility. Even if plenty of energy is available, the cells are inept at accessing it, thus signal hunger.   

Swick, sorry if that was information you already know. No one likes being pedantically lectured. If this is new information to anyone, try reading about being a fat burning beast. Just type the phrase into Google.

DISCLAIMER: Like the two (2!) current posts about religion, food politics are contentious. Debate rages about the necessity of metabolic flexibility. It may, or may not be important. Potatoes, grains, legumes, etc may, or may not be harm for you. This post neither endorses, nor rejects, the theory of paleolithic diets. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 11, 2015, 12:34:40 PM
Thanks, Sailor Sam - given me some new stuff to check out. I vaguely remember reading some keto stuff a while ago, none of it really sunk in though.

Hmm so this is Day 4 for us?

Random thoughts:

Enjoying pecan milk in coffee a lot.  Coffee is my main use of non-cultured dairy so this might be something I keep up with, at least until I wean myself off coffee, which in reality is probably not going to be during this challenge.

I am not use to eating so much meat, and I'm not enjoying it. We really aren't eating a lot - but we tend to use meat as an accent with whole grains and legumes.

Also not enjoying eating so many veggies, I think we just need some more variety. We have burned through our CSA (We usually struggle with that) so we are picking up some more veggies today and a wider variety.

Hubby made a pretty great ketchup type sauce out of some oven roasted tomatoes I made and some red pepper paste. It is helping, but he is really not a fan of eggs. Breakfasts are proving to be a challenge for him.

Today I made some chestnut flour crepes with eggs, coconut milk, ghee, and filled them with stewed raspberries and strawberries and used the pecans pulp leftover from making the milk. I have had the chestnut flour in my freezer for like, two years.

We debated heavily if this was considered "cheating" or not, but pancakes aren't a trigger food for us and we had some great discussions about "why" we are doing the whole 30. For us it is more about resetting out bodies learning to love whole, nutrient dense food again and figuring out if we have any food intolerances. Hubs is feeling especially down about having to eat so many eggs day in and day out for breakfast. Yes we can do dinner leftovers, but he is going to be getting those for lunches once he starts work and having something else for breakfast that fills him up is a good thing. On that note, he said he didn't pass from stuffed right  to hungry after eating them, so that is a win!

How is everyone else doing?



Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 11, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
Hey Ho, Swick. I am plonking right along. The raging hunger continues. My calorie intake is good, so I'm just accepting the hunger. The quality of the hunger makes me think I'm in ketosis, which is a-okay with me. My wife is far away, and insulated from my horrifically terrible mood. Sadly, my underlings are ruing the day their mummies looked funny at their daddies. 

Getting to the philosophy is always the fun part for me. Those crepes would have been considered sex with your pants on in my household. This is my second Whole30, and part of my joy is to really crank down the specifics. First time around I never found compliant bacon, and used stock with sugar in it, and I ate butter. I'm sure there were other sins. This time around is about being exactly within the guidelines. Just to see if I can do it. Plus, I ain't gonna lie, I want to lose 10 lbs. So my motivations are intellectual rigorousness and fat loss. I already know my food sensitivities, so that part doesn't interest me.

Has your husband considered a sweet potato hash type dish for breakfast? It's dead easy:

Cube a sweet potato

Cube some pancetta (or bacon if you have compliant. Bore's Head pancetta is good to go.)

Cube an apple

Get a pot. Soup pot size works best for me

Render the pancetta, then remove from the pot

Add the sweet potato. Lower heat to low-ish but not super low. You still want a little sizzle from the pot, but not much. Cover. Cook until potatoes are soft. Brown em a little (if you like that sort of thing). ~20 min for 0.5" cubes.

Add the apple, and put the pancetta back in. Cook for another 5 minutes

Serve or store

Delicious both warm, and cold. The carbs in the sweet potato and apple might help with the hunger-->full-->hunger swings. One pro-tip: make small cubes, around 0.5". Otherwise the cooking time is horrendous.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 11, 2015, 05:11:24 PM
Day 11 almost done!  Yesterday and today I feeling bloated.  But I'm sure this is just a stage.

I also hate sweet potatoes.  I tried to make them as a 'bun' for my hamburger during my last Whole30, and I could choke them down since the burger out flavored the sweet potato.  I might try it again this time, since some homemade mayo.  Love hamburgers! :-)

Swick - I think you're fine with the crepes as long as it's not SWYPO. I can also take or leave pancakes, but still haven't made them. I have to agree that this would be really, really, really hard without liking eggs. I've had eggs every day for breakfast, made different ways, and I still love them.

I'm on my way to Costco to get me some yummy avocado oil....time for some mayo!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 11, 2015, 06:36:35 PM
Thanks for the suggestions and updates :)

The SWYPO is a very interesting concept we have been talking lots about. I totally get you know, making desserts out of nuts and that sort of thing - it's always been my main beef with Paleo - and the whole well eat like a caveman, vs. actual scientific data relating to gut/hormone/digestion. I can eat tons of crap because "technically" it is paleo.

The thing about SWYPO is for us, that is the idea of eating a lot of meat. We don't eat that much and use it as a flavour agent because we have chosen to only buy ethically raised, local organic meat. So we eat pretty healthy (okay, discounting the carb heavy homemade bread and pasta and slipping into junk food lately - but heavy on whole grains and legumes (damn I miss my lentils) and I have a bad habit of skipping breakfast in favour of homebrewed lattes and I drink far too much milk instead of eating real food.

I think for us, we want to connect with our food and bodies and do it in a way that is not a punishing drag. So something like crepes, if chosen consciously is fine - but we are absolutely not allowing anything that is not allowed in the program. I have to make my own fish sauce because I couldn't find one without sugar in it. Yes, you only use a miniscule amount, but that is where we are drawing the line, a little less concerned with the SWYPO - although we aren't going to be making paleo desserts, pizza and things like that.

Mom22boys - Le us know how your mayo experiment goes!

I might be feeding hubs soup for breakfast as soon as I can get some bone broth made :D  I probably would have already except I haven't had any bones and all the stocks int he store have sugar in em. Boy does grocery shopping take forever when you are reading everything!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 11, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Ohhh so I totally didn't realize my *favorite* chicken wing recipe is whole 30 friendly! (I use less salt, and pickled jalapeno as I always have a jar in the fridge) Had a few wings and a big ass salad for supper :D

http://www.thekitchenmagpie.com/amazing-salt-and-pepper-chicken-wings# (http://www.thekitchenmagpie.com/amazing-salt-and-pepper-chicken-wings#)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 12, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
Mom22boys, I'd also like to know if you survived the mayo experiment.

Ohhh so I totally didn't realize my *favorite* chicken wing recipe is whole 30 friendly!

Winning!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 12, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
Holy schnikes! Making mayo is so easy! I followed the whole 30 recipe, but did mix the oils. I tried part olive oil, part avocado oil. I put it all into the mixing container that came with the immersion blender, mixed, and voilà, mayo!

I have to be honest, I'm not blown away with the flavor. It's kinda blahhh. I'm going to use it on my hamburger tonight and see what its like with stuff. I might just need to add some spices and flavor it up.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 13, 2015, 01:01:43 PM
Hi Eirene, yes. I should have eaten more. But I was kind of enjoying the hunger. Like the bracing cold in that magic half hour before you realize that all that tingling in your toes is actually the formation of ice crystals that will rend your toesies into blackened flesh blobs. I stopped enjoying it yesterday, so I fixed it.     

The other part of the problem was ketosis. I've read a lot about ketogenic diets, and I wanted to try actually being in ketosis. I read about keto a lot, which seems to be equal to reading a lot about hiking Everest. Envision an armchair hiker 4 hours outside of base camp on the actual mountain that is actually called Everest. Imagine the flailing and crying and the theistic bargaining. Extrapolate.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 13, 2015, 10:10:59 PM
I think I'm on my way, but not quite there yet.

Too much protein. Not enough fat. The protein converts to glucose (who knew?), which kills the ketosis engine. Interestingly, the extra protein also made me so thirsty that I ended up washed critical sodium out of system. So much drinking, and so much peeing, without ever being unthirsty. I really worked myself into an awful spiral of misery.

Yesterday I drank some salt water which fixed the thirst within 2 hours. This morning I made an avocado, almond butter, and spinach smoothie with coconut cream as the slurry. Mayo at lunch. Pancetta grease, oil, and drippings at dinner. Hunger is dramatically better, and the peeing is under control. I'm sure you're most relieved about the last point. (See what I did there?)

It's so foreign to eat this much fat. I have no idea how to accomplish it, aside from drinking oil or spooning up mayo. So it's definitely a work in progress.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 14, 2015, 04:24:13 AM
It's so foreign to eat this much fat. I have no idea how to accomplish it, aside from drinking oil or spooning up mayo. So it's definitely a work in progress.

That sounds really horrible. My current brain can't wrap my head around the idea of keto quite yet.

Yesterday was pretty good, ended up going to my parents for dinner and my mom cooked the steak salad with cumin lime dressing from the Whole 30 book, which she leant me, so I didn't have to buy :D Also got to gorge on garden veggies, was pretty awesome.

Today - woke up with a fucking horrible hang-over. Massive headache, symptoms not quite but very similar to a fybro flare-up. aching, tired - despite having slept for over 10 hours. Hubs wasn't much better, possibly more tired.

We powered through and had some wins. Looking through some of my mom's cookbooks, hubs realized that there are tons of Thai dishes that are or could very easily b e whole 30. This excited him greatly. He had never had Tom Ka Kai soup, so I made a big ass pot for lunch today. He loved it and we have some mason jars in the fridge for future meals.

I also broke down an 18 pound Turkey! Never done it before and don't really like handling raw meat, so this was big. Roasted one breast, some of which we turned into Thai lettuce wraps with an almond butter sauce instead of a peanut sauce. I had to make my own fish sauce for both as I can't find one in Canada that doesn't have sugar. I settled on Anchovy paste with a little bit of hot water and some coconut amino's. Worked pretty well, probabaly needs more salt though.

I have two crockpots of Turkey stock on the go which I am super excited about!

For breakfast this morning we left it too late and wanted something super quick so we threw some chopped banana, a few rasins, some toasted coconut, and some pecan pulp in a bowl and drizzled it with almond butter and some coconut cream. Was pretty tasty. Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress. Hubs says he is okay having soup for breakfast, so that is a start.

Had some good discussions about food philosophy and cravings and how to evaluate if we really want to eat something - take home being we need to eat more consciously for sure. Also, Hubby didn't like either of the reintroduction methods. He thought the 10-day one was too fast to see any cumulative effects, but basically leaving it for "whenever something came up" didn;t seem like a good idea because then it is too isolated to get a clear idea - and if you do it that way you just know whatever you want to eat is going to have more then one food group. he wants to go more sciency - so I'm leaving the experiment parameters to him to draw up :)

Mom22Boys - Congrats on trying the Mayo! As far as taste goes - You might just have to experiment with flavour add-ins. I don't think I have ever made a "Normal" mayo without something tasty added. I like lots of lemon, white pepper and garlic.

I made basically a "ranch" mayo out of fresh garden herbs, salt and a clove of garlic which was awesome! 

One thing to keep in mind, for Mayo it is really worth the splurge to source the best eggs you can. SO much of the flavour of mayo depends on the egg. The taste difference between a conventional battery hen egg and a farm-fresh egg is night and day. I am lucky enough to get farm-fresh duck eggs, they make the most decadent indulgent mayo.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Naomi on September 14, 2015, 04:43:55 AM
swick - "Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress."

I agree with this and I may be coming at it from a different perspective since I work nights, but I almost never eat a typical breakfast -even before starting this. My meals are generally meat, potatoes, and a vegetable or soup/stew...something like that.

Right now, I'm making meatloaf and it's 4:30 am here. Which leads me to my first instance of breaking the rules. I used the last of my pasta sauce (compliant) and then opened the next jar and it didn't pop up, smelled kind of weird, and had a little dent in the lid. So, I threw that out and used the other jar I had which has 6 grams of sugar in 1/2 cup. I didn't use a whole 1/2 cup, but my meatloaf will have maybe 4-5 grams of added sugar. Oh well, I'm not going to stress over it -even though I admit I technically broke the rules and you're supposed to start over (not going to do that either).
I've got to get my receipts together because I have bought a few more things, but first I'm going to eat some meatloaf.

I think I'm going to try the coconut oil and cocoa powder some of you have mentioned. Well, first I'd have to buy some cocoa powder, but I do have the coconut oil.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 14, 2015, 05:04:40 AM
swick - "Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress."

I agree with this and I may be coming at it from a different perspective since I work nights, but I almost never eat a typical breakfast -even before starting this. My meals are generally meat, potatoes, and a vegetable or soup/stew...something like that.

Right now, I'm making meatloaf and it's 4:30 am here. Which leads me to my first instance of breaking the rules. I used the last of my pasta sauce (compliant) and then opened the next jar and it didn't pop up, smelled kind of weird, and had a little dent in the lid. So, I threw that out and used the other jar I had which has 6 grams of sugar in 1/2 cup. I didn't use a whole 1/2 cup, but my meatloaf will have maybe 4-5 grams of added sugar. Oh well, I'm not going to stress over it -even though I admit I technically broke the rules and you're supposed to start over (not going to do that either).
I've got to get my receipts together because I have bought a few more things, but first I'm going to eat some meatloaf.

I think I'm going to try the coconut oil and cocoa powder some of you have mentioned. Well, first I'd have to buy some cocoa powder, but I do have the coconut oil.

I think if I knew if I accidently ate off-plan and HAD to start over, I would never attempt it in the first place. I know you "should" But I am really trying to adapt the mindset that "done is better than perfect"

Thank you fro sharing your costs, I am not that brave. We have torpedoed our food budget - I have actually stopped keeping track because I don't want to depress myself. With higher Canadian prices and having to get super expensive specialty ingredients (Meat, ghee, coconut milk, coconut amino's, nuts) it is killing the budget. I am hoping it will even out because we are eating more nutritionally dense food we can buy less? I feel like I am dropping money every damn time I turn around. I know it should get better as we figure it out but damn it is discouraging.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on September 14, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Made this last night: http://thehonoursystem.com/2015/05/04/chicken-cauliflower-fried-rice-gluten-free-paleo/

WAY more filling than actual fried rice, and quite good.  Our first time using coconut aminos; tasted (and smelled) a surprising amount like soy sauce.  Good stuff.  We also used a lot more cooking fat than the recipe called for (sesame oil plus pasture-raised lard).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 14, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
Keep the recipes coming!  Thanks for the new recipe Ketchup. Cauliflower rice is next on my list of things to try. This weekend I made the braised cabbage you linked earlier and it was YUMMY!  You were so right that the aroma in the house was divine.  I made grilled shrimp with my last coconut curry sauce, and mixed it in with the cabbage.  So dang good!

Last night I made the prosciutto wrapped mini frittatas.   http://nomnompaleo.com/post/108052236893/whole30-day-14-prosciutto-wrapped-mini-frittata
Of course I had to try one right out of the oven. Delicious!  It was a little time consuming to make, but it will save me time in the morning all this week.



Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Naomi on September 15, 2015, 04:28:06 AM
I know a whole 30 can be done cheaper, but for me if I'm going to eat meat and eggs, I'm going to spend more $ for them and not just buy from the grocery store. It's just a personal decision.
My latest receipts are more of the same -which is probably why I'm really bored with this. I've got to go back through this thread and try some new meals.

chicken - $14.60 (1.72 lbs)
beef -$8.69 (1 lb)
tomatoes, green beans, onions, garlic - $12.78
grapes, watermelon - $11.59
$47.66 - $2 coupon I had for the meat = $45.66
Total so far - $117.38.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 15, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
Today - woke up with a fucking horrible hang-over. Massive headache, symptoms not quite but very similar to a fybro flare-up. aching, tired - despite having slept for over 10 hours. Hubs wasn't much better, possibly more tired.

Ah, the dreaded carb-flu. It will go away on its own in a day or two, just wait it out :)

ugh....yucky! Cue teeny tiny violins..... :) The day did not get better and this morning isn't looking good. A whole host of stomach and digestion issues piled on - that is the one system that usually works great and I have no issues with. I don't know how people with chronic digestion issues do it.

On that note, major kudos to anyone doing this who has to leave the house. I'm very glad I am working from home.

Luckily, hubs doesn't seem to be having near the issues I am. Other than feeling a raging hunger for the first three days or so, he is doing fine. I'm having a hard time figuring out what is the cuase of what since I started the program sick.

And in the time it has taken me to write this (been off and on helping hubs get ready for work) My allergies have arrived with a vengeance. I haven't had any issues for weeks....these are all good signs, aren't they?

Think I am going to distract myself by frying some duck eggs, crisping up a slice of prosciutto and warming up some of the oven roasted cherry tomatoes and sauteed 'shrooms I made yesterday.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 15, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
OH MY PEOPLE, I have a new love. It is cauliflower.

I've never been a fan of cauliflower. It's translucent, and bland, and tastes like cauliflower. Then there was cauliflower rice.

You know the sad kid in your 2nd grade class? The sickly allergic kid with the big eyes, chowing down on frozen grapes during an peanut butter lactose gluten ice cream party? Remember him saying very loudly how much he loved grapes when clearly he would suck your life blood for a single taste of non-death ice cream? You remember that kid???

That was pretty much my vision of cauliflower rice. All that enthusiasm was frozen grape fakery. I even tried cauliflower rice. Once. Same same, except mushy. Revolting. Then I found THIS (http://theclothesmakethegirl.com/2014/03/25/roasted-cauliflower-rice/), and my life has changed.

Everyone of you must go make this now. Right now. Flee towards the cauliflower! Because it tastes nothing like cauliflower!

ETA: also, it tastes nothing like rice, but wtf ever. It's still glorious.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 15, 2015, 10:28:57 PM

That was pretty much my vision of cauliflower rice. All that enthusiasm was frozen grape fakery. I even tried cauliflower rice. Once. Same same, except mushy. Revolting. Then I found THIS (http://theclothesmakethegirl.com/2014/03/25/roasted-cauliflower-rice/), and my life has changed.

Everyone of you must go make this now. Right now. Flee towards the cauliflower! Because it tastes nothing like cauliflower!

ETA: also, it tastes nothing like rice, but wtf ever. It's still glorious.

You know I have tried cauliflower rice several times and thought it was ok....but the mush was a problem. This has me intrigued, thanks for sharing :)

Had a big salad with some garlic cilantro lime dressing (made from duck egg mayo) with some pan fried turkey breast chunks and a sliced up venison pepperoni. Served with a side of baked sweet potato wedges. Was a pretty good dinner. Wish I feeling good enough to enjoy it :S
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 16, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
How are you feeling today Swick?  My last 3 days I've been grumpy, tired, bloated, and sleeping poorly. Our bodies are amazing how they go through different phases. The good news is that I feel better today, even after spending two hours in the middle of the night trying to get a stupid smoke alarm to stop chirping. It is Murphy's law that they will ALWAYS start to chirp in the middle of the night. The stupid thing malfunctioned, not the battery.

I need to cook up some bigger batches of food again.  Ha....forgot to mention that I made a beautiful pot of chili on Sunday (w/o beans of course).  Right after I added the organic beef broth, I read the ingredients.  You guessed it, non-compliant.  Epic failure on my part!  Have I not learned anything from this??? The work 'organic' was all I read and assumed....and it obviously made an a** out of me.  My boys wouldn't eat it because it's loaded with peppers, so into the freezer it went.  I'll be eating it after day 30 I guess.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 16, 2015, 03:03:01 PM
Thanks for checking in, Mom22boys :) I woke up feeling horrible again. For someone who's digestive track works like clockwork and I've never had any issues, it's taking a beating. I wouldn't think it would be because I'm not getting enough fiber with all the veggies I'm eating, I don't know, just hoping this stage will pass.

I have been sleeping better - falling asleep faster and dreaming more vividly (damn, I really don't need it) and so far the extra sleep I have been doing in the day hasn't been keeping me up at night, so obviously I need it.

Today, I'm just determined to keep moving. I have spent most of the day making a Shepard's pie. It is rainy and drizzly and figured hubs would like something besides salad after getting home from work :)

Too bad about the chili, at least you will have a freezer meal for the future! Yeah, I was shocked at how many things have sugar, soy or other non-complient stuff. Grocery shopping takes FOREVER, even with trying to stick to the outsides of the store.

How is everyone else doing? Updates? Successes, challenges?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on September 16, 2015, 03:20:55 PM
We've been doing great.  GF and I have both noticed that we're feeling less hungry overall, and our bodies are more responsive to regulating our appetite in general.  For example, two nights ago we both ate an absolutely gigantic dinner (chicken breast with spinach, mushrooms, and pecans; supreme, but 2.79lbs of chicken consumed among the two of us: oops).  Neither of us were hungry for breakfast the next morning, and then had a very small lunch before returning to a sensibly sized dinner last night.  I feel like before this, we would have eaten the gigantic meal and then had business-as-usual-sized meals following without any change.

Her teeth have felt better too, which was another goal.  Her teeth were beat up pretty badly by a childhood of sugar and sugar with a side of sugar and sugar to wash it down.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 17, 2015, 08:21:13 AM
Today....I want to eat everything and anything.  Can I make chocolate chip cookies for breakfast?

I'm overly tired, and being a single mom really sucks. My oldest son struggles in school, which means every night after work it's hard to get supper made, then struggle to motivate him to do homework. Last night was a totally failure with homework, and I finally got so frustrated that I just told him to go to bed. I never yell, but I'm sure he could hear the frustration in my voice. Then of course I woke up at 2 am trying to think of solutions to this. Should I see if I can leave work earlier so I can pick up the boys from school, giving me more time to work with him? Maybe my mom can stay with us for a while and help? Do I pull the boys out of soccer to have more time, but I hate doing that since I'm trying to teach them commitment. And on and on....couldn't turn my brain off. It's frustrating because their dad (who used to be a teacher) just doesn't 'see' the problems, so will often tell me that the issue is all ME. 

Taking the time to make healthy meals just adds another level of stress sometimes. I guess I can at least claim victory that amidst all this crap, I have still stayed on plan...even if it means only eating an apple with almond butter for supper. Anyway....sorry for being a complainy pants this morning. Today can only get better. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 17, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
We've been doing great.  GF and I have both noticed that we're feeling less hungry overall, and our bodies are more responsive to regulating our appetite in general. 

Yay Sounds like a good place to be in! Very interesting about your GF's teeth as well.

 We are starting to feel more regulated as well.  I'm actually wondering if I am eating enough, but feel pretty good about the hunger and satiety signals right now.

Mom22boys - I think you are totally allowed to vent/complain. It sounds like you have a ton on your plate that would send most people into a spiral of wine, chocolate and comfort eating. GOOD JOB sticking with the program!

Some totally unsolicited ideas:
 - Readjust how homework is done. Does your sun need direct help, or just supervision while he is doing it? Could you move a table into the kitchen area so you can help and prep at the same time?

 - Do you know what kind of learning styles he favours and can you help in his homework by utilizing them? If his homework is taking hours and hours because he has an aversion to writing or trouble with motor-control, you could speak with his teachers and see if he can utilize a different method. Maybe he can answer questions verbally into a recording app. Maybe he can create a game or do something else that shows his knowledge.

 - If he is an auditory learner, it might help for him to discuss his homework and problems THEN write them down. This he can do with you while you are preparing meals. It just gives him a chance to organize his thoughts verbally, which often makes the writing easier. Also, having him teach you what he learned is a really good way of cementing learning and discovering knowledge gaps.

 - How old are your boys? Is there any chance you can get them involved/interested in simple meal prep? It would be a great way to teach them life skills and take some of the responsibility off your back.

 - Do you have a schedule that you stick to and everyone is familiar with? It might help give the kids some structure and know what to expect. Family dinner prep/meal time might be a part of this, and a certain time for homework and some built in relaxing time before bed, but they only get screen time (or whatever) if everything else is done.

Have a great day, don't let in any thoughts about how other people might think you are doing. You are doing great, you are making healthy choices for your family and you will figure it out. You ROCK!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 17, 2015, 03:20:24 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the kind words Swick.  I know I'm doing the best I can right now, with what I know.  It's the what I don't know/how to help that frustrates me. I appreciate all the ideas you listed too.

My boys are in 2nd and 4th grade.  My 2nd grader loves school, and is a natural learner.  Thankfully!  This means I can spend more time with my 4th grader (but that also makes me feel guilty a bit too). My 4th grader has struggled from day one, with teachers thinking he was ADD, possibly dyslexic. I haven't had him 'formally' tested, since I hate to put a label on him. Rather we need to figure out how to best learn, etc. So, we did tutoring for at least 6 months with a local group that specializes in dyslexia, and it did nothing. A friend's mom mentioned checking his eyes. He has 20/20, but what I didn't know is that his eyes don't track together (kinda like a lazy eye). We've done eye therapy for 1 1/2 years, and are ALMOST done. The eye therapy exercises at home would take 45-60 minutes a night!  This is greatly helped with his reading, but definitely hasn't solved many issues.

His attention span for homework is about 2 second....oh look at that pretty butterfly outside...oh Mom has anyone ever gone to the bottom of the ocean and lived....and so on. He does his homework at the dinner table right next to where I prep food and cook, so I'm really close. I've tried to give him freedom to finish homework on his own, I'm tried working him on everything, and so far haven't found a good method. I've already emailed with his teacher, so I'll be meeting with her soon to see what options we have. And my policy is NO screen time at all during the school week. But, I have even tried the reward this week that 'If you're done by 7:30, you can watch America Ninja Warrior' or play iPad for 15 minutes.

So, I'm hoping his teacher will have some ideas and things we can try both at home and school. I'm sure I haven't answered all your questions, but hopefully that gives you an overview. I'm feeling better, and like I said, it's a HUGE victory for me to not dive into chocolate in response. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 18, 2015, 07:34:32 AM
Ok, back on topic.  I had a last minute business trip pop up for next week.  I'll be gone part of Tues, Wedn and coming home Thursday.  This is my first business trip on the Whole30 and I'll try my best to keep on plan, but it may be hard. It will be easy to do a steak/baked potato and maybe salads for the meals out in the evening.  I'm primarily concerned about the catered lunch at the customer's site on Wednesday. With it being at a customer site, it's not really something I can bring my canned tuna/can opener with.  :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 18, 2015, 08:10:41 AM
Hi Mom22boys - quick thought about your son, if he does have ADD/ADHD he might benefit from keeping his body active while he is trying to do homework. I have had kids who have had success using an exercise ball instead of a chair at the table. Also keeping a mini-trampoline/rebounder set up in the corner for breaks, or even to jump on while studying things that are verbal like spelling lists and such.

There are some essential oils that can help with studying/memory and focus. Here is a VERY basic link http://www.balancedbodyworkmassagetherapy.com/the-balanced-bodyworker-blog/aromatherapy-for-students-essential-oils-for-studying-exams-and-better-sleep (http://www.balancedbodyworkmassagetherapy.com/the-balanced-bodyworker-blog/aromatherapy-for-students-essential-oils-for-studying-exams-and-better-sleep) I tend to recommend a blend of rosemary, basil, and peppermint. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me

Okay back on topic ;) Is there any way you can have a baggie of nuts and seeds, maybe some protein  in your bag that you can slip on top of salad greens for your catered meal?  I can see it being tough, especially if it is a sit-down meal. IS there any chance you can casually ask what is being served? You could just say you have developed some dietary restrictions and would happy to bring your own meal if needed.

For breakfasts, er..."meal 1" Hubs has been having a chopped banana, few raisins, toasted coconut with some almond butter and coconut milk. These are all shelf-stable, so might help you with your morning meal, especially if you are staying in a hotel.

SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY! Will make it much easier not having to worry about Hubby's lunches and will have some more Kitchen help. Hubs has been awesome about helping me in the evenings, but it just seems like cooking like this creates so.so. many more dishes. 

Planning to do some batch cooking, meal prep for the week ahead. Anyone have any recipes or prep tips that have worked really well for them?

The Turkey breast we roasted last weekend just finished up. We have been dicing it and adding it to soups but mostly used it as a salad topper, reheated and pan fried with some spices it has been going very well with the cilantro lime dressing out of the whole 30 cookbook.

Definitely want to try the roasted cauliflower rice that Sailor Sam recommends. Thinking maybe a batch of Curry might be on order.

I'm on day 11 - which according to the timeline yesterday and today are suppose to be the "hardest days" Interestingly, I'm not really craving anything. I am missing the act of cooking my favorite foods, especially as the weather turns. But I am able to step outside of my emotions and cravings and realizing them for what they are. When measured up to the question of" "Do I really, truly, want it? and if so, why?"it has pretty much stopped any cravings before they have taken hold. This is pretty big for me because usually I say, "no, not really" and proceed to eat it anyway :)

Right - million dollar question: How is everyone else doing today?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 18, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Hey Mom22boys, here's my semi-solicited advice. It's free!

Re catered lunch: I have a very severe allergy to casein, which is the protein molecule in dairy. My allergy has surprisingly far reaching consequences, because many, many packaged foods use whey as a filler* or lactose as a sweetener. If I eat dairy, even trace amounts, I vomit pretty uncontrollably within minutes.$ When I run into catered food, I just bring my own lunch or go hungry. I admit it can be momentarily embarrassing, but the embarrassment is all mine. No one has EVER been offended, or even looked at me funny.

Re food access: do convenience stores in AUS sell hard boiled eggs? I find those super convenient on business trips. Avocados are also a self-packaged food, but don't forget a knife and spoon. Bananas, if you're into that thing. Lara bars for food deserts. If you order salad dressing on the side, no one will notice if you don't eat it. Sweartogod. You can also buy paleo versions of granola, which you can eat dry as long as you have good jaw muscles.


* Including fucking Hint of Lime tortilla chips. Why, why, why, Frito-Lay, you sideways hung fucksticks?

$ At this point in my life, I've puked on every single one of my loved ones. Not in the vicinity of, actually on. That's how fast the puke comes.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: jat9449 on September 18, 2015, 09:56:46 AM
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 18, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!

Welcome! So excited you are joining us. The cool thing is some people started beginning of the month, some started on the 8th, with me and some have done the "whole 30" before and are lending advice and support :) feel free to share your experiences! This is a great little community for commiserating and having suggestions to get through it :)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 18, 2015, 12:57:56 PM
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!

Awesome!  So glad you were intrigued and followed through with reading up on it.  I'll likely keep going into October for a while, so there will still be some of us on the journey.

My plan for the weekend is more new foods!  I'm definitely going to try the roasted cauliflower rice that Sailor Sam posted earlier.  With that, I want to make the Kalua Pig from http://nomnompaleo.com/post/10031990774/slow-cooker-kalua-pig.  I haven't found compliant bacon yet, so I'm going to try it with prosciutto (left from my egg frittatas) and add smoked paprika. I am so craving a steak, but I'm going to save my money (yeah for Savetember challenge) and eat that on my business trip.  Double win!

Sailor Sam - Thanks for the ideas.  I was planning to bring bananas and nuts.  Yes, you can usually find hard boiled eggs, so that's added to my list. I can find those in the airports a lot.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 20, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
Joining this thread! I've completed a Whole30 a couple of years ago and felt fantastic. I'm doing another one to see if it will help with my seasonal allergies and asthma.  My favorite thing about doing a Whole30 is how well I sleep when I completely cut out sugar!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 20, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Joining this thread! I've completed a Whole30 a couple of years ago and felt fantastic. I'm doing another one to see if it will help with my seasonal allergies and asthma.  My favorite thing about doing a Whole30 is how well I sleep when I completely cut out sugar!

Yeah!  Glad you're joining us Liz. I've read that it can really help with allergies, so that will be interesting to see your results. Agree with the sleep.  I slept so hard last night, it was amazing.

Well, the Kalua pig is in the crock pot, so I'm anticipating a wonderful supper.  I have to quick run to the grocery store and get the cauliflower. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 20, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
Hubs had the worst night yet yesterday. He has really been struggling with the psychological cravings. He has very low energy and just seems, well, sad and depressed (which is so far from his normal character)

He is learning a lot about how our important our habits and traditions are and how much he looks forward to them. I should have thought about the weekend coming up and planned something awesome for Friday, I was sick, I didn't.

He has been lethargic at work all week. Part of the problem is he has to get up at 5:30 for work and the schedule has never really agreed with him and he finds it challenging at the best of times. It seems like the "whole 30" adds another layer to it.

We also haven't been eating the probiotics that we usually have tons of - Kimchi - Keifer - Yogurt and I think that is really affecting digestion for the both of us.  I found some Indian Spiced Sourkraut in the fridge last night and we have had a bit of that, still tastes a little weird. I'll make some Kimchi that doesn't use Korean Pepper paste, but that's still 12 or so days before we can eat it.

I made a pretty tasty frittata for breakfast which Hubby enjoyed. Planning on making a Butter Turkey for dinner with the roasted cauli rice.

How is everyone else doing?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on September 21, 2015, 07:41:14 PM
I started 5 days after the rest of you, but I am in. I had three days of intense sugar cravings, but other then that it's been pretty straight forward.  I have eaten paleo before, but was not eating this way in the months leading up to this.

A question:  Any ideas for getting the finances of a paleo diet under control? I live in an area where groceries are exorbitantly expensive. Farmer's markets are even more expensive then the grocery stores.  I am not currently in a place where I can buy half a cow, and if I did I would need to have it shipped from the other side of the country for it to be cheaper than buying the cuts I currently get. There are no ethnic markets in my area. There are no budget markets either. I am strongly biased towards organics.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 21, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
I started 5 days after the rest of you, but I am in. I had three days of intense sugar cravings, but other then that it's been pretty straight forward.  I have eaten paleo before, but was not eating this way in the months leading up to this.

A question:  Any ideas for getting the finances of a paleo diet under control? I live in an area where groceries are exorbitantly expensive. Farmer's markets are even more expensive then the grocery stores.  I am not currently in a place where I can buy half a cow, and if I did I would need to have it shipped from the other side of the country for it to be cheaper than buying the cuts I currently get. There are no ethnic markets in my area. There are no budget markets either. I am strongly biased towards organics.

Glad you are joining us. Are you in the US?  You can get coconut milk, nuts and lots of whole 30 friendly ingredients shipped from Amazon. The only suggestion I can make as far as meat is to hunt around and see if there are any farmers around you can buy direct from, I joined a local farming facebook page to figure out who was growing what in our area. If you are somewhere like Alaska it might be a matter of going heavy on the fish and wild game.

Recipes I made tonight:
Bacon Burger Meatloaf! Met the taste requirements of burgers without the rather unpalatable some sort of sliced veggie fake bun - http://www.feedtheclan.com/family-chow-101913-with-bacon-burger-meatloaf-recipe/ (http://www.feedtheclan.com/family-chow-101913-with-bacon-burger-meatloaf-recipe/)

The Tomatillo Rach dressing from this recipehttp://www.plaidandpaleo.com/2014/06/tomatillo-ranch-chicken.html (http://www.plaidandpaleo.com/2014/06/tomatillo-ranch-chicken.html) over a cabbage, carrot and zuccini slaw. Very tasty!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 21, 2015, 08:44:34 PM
^ Love the plaidandpaleo website, the chicken buffalo dip is one of my favorites!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on September 21, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
Swick, Thank you for your reply! I have found reasonable prices for non-perishables between sales, occasional costco runs, visiting cheaper places, amazon etc. It's more the perishables that are killing me. Conventional avocados are usually around $2 each. A bunch of kale runs me over $3. Yams are $3 a lb. I have found a couple of sources for grass fed ground beef and cheap roasts that are under $8 a lb, but in the two years I've been living in this area that seems to be the best I can do.  Local farmers that sell direct consistently charge over $10 a lb, often for hung weight... I am not quite willing to eat nothing but cabbage, carrots, and coconut oil. The food budgets that people post on this forum seem to come from a different planet. I travel too much for my job to garden.

Yes, I am in the US. I live in an affluent suburb in California. If I drive an hour, groceries are normal again.

I love the affects on my body, and I am willing to keep spending this if it's what I need to do.

What do others spend on a paleo diet?  I feel like the majority of the forum live in a cheaper place (like anywhere else, really) and bulk up on rice and beans to achieve the budget they post. I am not sure how to translate that to my own diet. I often spend more to feed one person then many here spend to feed a large family. I think this month it will be around $450.

Edited to add: gah. Sorry about the complaining :)  I am really enjoying the way eating this way is feeling, and it is awesome to have a group of others to ask these questions of.
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Post by: swick on September 21, 2015, 09:15:02 PM
Swick, Thank you for your reply! I have found reasonable prices for non-perishables between sales, occasional costco runs, visiting cheaper places, amazon etc. It's more the perishables that are killing me. Conventional avocados are usually around $2 each. A bunch of kale runs me over $3. Yams are $3 a lb. I have found a couple of sources for grass fed ground beef and cheap roasts that are under $8 a lb, but in the two years I've been living in this area that seems to be the best I can do.  Local farmers that sell direct consistently charge over $10 a lb, often for hung weight... I am not quite willing to eat nothing but cabbage, carrots, and coconut oil. The food budgets that people post on this forum seem to come from a different planet. I travel too much for my job to garden.

Yes, I am in the US. I live in an affluent suburb in California. If I drive an hour, groceries are normal again.

I love the affects on my body, and I am willing to keep spending this if it's what I need to do.

What do others spend on a paleo diet?  I feel like the majority of the forum live in a cheaper place (like anywhere else, really) and bulk up on rice and beans to achieve the budget they post. I am not sure how to translate that to my own diet. I often spend more to feed one person then many here spend to feed a large family. I think this month it will be around $450.

Sounds like your prices are pretty on par with our in Canada, I feel your pain. $6.00 for ONE sweet potato? yeah it is a good size but still!

I certainly don't have the answers, Our food budget for this month ...well let's just say for the first time in years I have given up keeping track, I don't need the demotivation. 

We are willing to see if it makes a big enough difference to keep this eating style for a while. I'm kinda thinking we will. At least I have noticed that we are starting to eat quite a bit less now that things are settling out and we are getting more used to eating more fats and nutrient-dense foods. Maybe there is savings there?

I know there are quite a few threads on the forums about how to eat Paleo less expensively. Here is a pretty good master link of food topics on the boards:http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/the-ultimate-mustachian-food-guide/ (http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/the-ultimate-mustachian-food-guide/)

I haven't really dug into the yet.  Especially with the higher food prices in Canada. Also, I know a lot of people save $ by getting cheap factory farmed meat and fish from China...I'm just not willing to do that. Having better health, being able to be more productive and having less chronic issues for me, would be worth the increase in food budget. We'll have to see, this month was an odd one, be interesting to see what the budget shakes out like going forward.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 22, 2015, 06:07:31 AM
I do a mix of organic/pastured with non-organic/pastured.  Honestly, I'm a little skeptical of the whole organic movement, at least on the veggie and fruit foods.  I'm by no means an expert, but have done some reading on the topics, and I'm just not convinced. I DO buy org/past eggs, berries, hamburger from Costco. Plus, this month I'm buying a 1/4 side of beef from a friend (will be about 160 lb of meat).  I won't even tell you the price I'm paying (WAY lower than you mentioned Botanist).  :-)  For all my other things, I buy regular. For avocados, I always buy Wholly Guacamole, because it just ends up being cheaper for me, unless I need one for a dressing. I'm not a huge fan of avocado just plain.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong....I just don't know.  But I DO know that even without going 100% organic/pastured, I still feel way better than I was before.  This time I'm going to actually do the reintroduction, at a slower pace like you mentioned Swick. I also feel like 4 days for adding back a food group just won't give me the time to fully recognize the impact to my body.  I'm hoping that I can at least add back rice to help with costs.  If not, then I guess cauliflower rice will have to do, which isn't so bad. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 22, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
Great thoughts, Mom22boys. We really focus on organic fruits and veg if we are going to be eating the skins. Most of the time we just try and grow our own, forage, or glean. This was a really crappy year for huckleberries which we usually rely on for our winter fruit supply. Not sure what we are going to do there. We do get an organic CSA fruit and veg delivery from a very small local farm.  For what we get, it is cheaper then shopping for conventional veg in the store and so so so much better! That ends when the season ends, so back to regular stuff for the winter :(

The roasted cauli-rice is a fair substitute, our problem is that even a contential cauliflower is 4.99 a  small head, which does us for about one meal and not enough for Hubby's lunch the next day, so it gets really expensive!

I'd say neither of us have experienced anything close to "tigerblood" and we are on day 15.

One thing I have noticed is it is really nice and not to have the daily cylce of "I want to eat this" "I shouldn't it this, I KNOW it is bad for me"  back and forth, back and forth. Then I finally say "fuck it" and eat it, then feel bad becuase I know I shouldn't have.  Amazing how much mental space that takes up when you do it several times a day!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 22, 2015, 08:00:44 AM
Well!

I will be starting over. My wife had some unexpected free time, and came to visit me Fri-Mon. I haven't seen her since April, and I wasn't about to make our limited time more complicated through food restrictions. So I had sushi, and beer, and french fries. Glorious!

I took her to the airport at sparrow's fart this morning, so I suppose I'm back on track. Now I will wait until Thanksgiving for another wife visit. It's almost enough to make me get a consolation hamburger :(
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 22, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
Bummer for having to start again, but YAY! for unexpected time with your wife!

How is everyone else doing? Liz? jat9449? Eirene? Naomi? Dulcimina? Bob W?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 22, 2015, 11:55:59 AM
I'm on Day 4 and have a slight headache {probably the adjustment to no sugar} but powering through it because I know it will be gone in a day or two!  One of the main reasons I'm doing a Whole30 again is to see if any types of food trigger my allergies and asthma. Right now my asthma is about the same, but allergies have been under control! Which is really amazing to me, because usually this time of year they are awful -- they were last week, for sure. I'm in the Southern USA too, which is usually medium-high on the pollen chart!

I'm not going to lie, I wouldn't mind dropping a few pounds in the process of the Whole30, but it's not my main motivation for doing it.

Sailor Sam -- Glad you got to see your wife, worth it for sure! And now you have two months to concentrate on the Whole30!
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Post by: Dulcimina on September 22, 2015, 01:41:49 PM
Hi Swick, this:
Well!

I will be starting over. M :(

It's like everything went a wee bit wrong.  The vegetables esp. raw veggies upset my digestive system; this never went away in two weeks.  I'm not sure the balsamic vinegar I was using was allowed because it has caramel color. The TJ sausages I ate the first week were OK so I didn't read the fine print on a different flavored TJ sausage the second week.  I just checked and the apple sausage contains added sugar.  I made a flatbread - sweet potatoes, cassava flour, coconut oil and salt - then I felt guilty about eating it.

I am angry. I am used to eating a restrictive diet for specific health reasons.  But with this challenge, I feel like I'm trying to favor compliance over eating in a way that I know makes me look/feel/perform better. So, I'm starting over, modifying so that I don't feel so sick all the time. I'll check in here more often as well

Today's menu:
Breakfast: roasted beet/strawberry/banana smoothie
Lunch: shepherd's pie (topping was yuca mashed with bone broth and coconut oil)
Dinner: cod soup.  I'll replace the rice noodles with zucchini zoodles
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 22, 2015, 02:28:48 PM
Well!

I will be starting over. My wife had some unexpected free time, and came to visit me Fri-Mon. I haven't seen her since April, and I wasn't about to make our limited time more complicated through food restrictions. So I had sushi, and beer, and french fries. Glorious!

Since April!  WOW....that would be so tough. Time with your wife trumps Whole30 any day!  I'm happy you got to spend time with her. Heck, why didn't you have some dessert too?  :-)

I would say I'm in a medium COL area.  My cabbage (large) was 3.99, which I thought was high, but I guess not.  :-) Luckily my parents aren't too far away and they have a large garden. They share a lot with me and the boys, which we love.  My boys want a garden so bad, but that's a little hard living in town.  Next year I want to do more pots. We did tomatoes in pots this year, and they did really well. 
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Post by: mom22boys on September 23, 2015, 06:14:24 AM
Day 1 of my business trip, DONE!  And successful.  I ate supper in the airport last night, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to get just a plain steak and baked potato.  Steaks...marinated in who knows what...no can do.  Potatoes....deep fried in soy oil....ummm, NO!  Finally ordered a buffalo strip steak (less the sweat glaze), and they swapped out the potatoes for double veggies. I made sure they knew my restrictions, and they were actually very nice about it. Steak, green beans and salad with lemon and olive oil.  It was ok, but not the steak I've been craving.

Today is going to be the tough day.  Breakfast is free at the hotel, so that should be easy with hard boiled eggs, banana, and raw almonds. I have the almonds in my bag for later, and I'll snag a banana to take with.  Lunch will be interesting.  We'll see how it goes. I also told myself that it's not the end of the world if I go a little hungry for ONE day.  Supper can be a magnificent steak or salmon with hopefully a baked potato.
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Post by: swick on September 23, 2015, 07:30:48 AM
Awesome Job, Mom22boys!!! Totally impressed!

The only travel/socializing we have done so far is to my parents house and my mom was excited to experiment and feed us something we could eat. We are opting out of a buffet breakfast for another family member's birthday and will meet up with everyone after breakfast. Thought it would be way to hard at a buffet to figure out what we could eat, and it would certainly not be worth the expense (not like you really get to visit at something like that anyways)

This morning, 2:00am-ish I work up with what I would call my fybro flare-up on Steroids. I haven't been in this much pain in a long, long time. It popped into my head that maybe I didn't eat enough during the day. Not a connection I have ever considered before but I went with it. Got up and and a spoonful of almond butter mixed with a couple of spoonfuls of coconut oil. Then had a banana becuase I couldn't find my magneseum supplements. Got back to sleep a couple hours later (ususally it's an all-day thing) so that's a win. Unfortunalty I had to get up at 5:00. Going back to bed right after my scheduled client call this morning. If this is Tiger blood, I feel like a drown kitten!

How are y'all doing today?

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Post by: Dulcimina on September 23, 2015, 11:36:56 AM
So far so good.  I got home late last night and finished off some baked chicken thighs last rather than wait for soup.  I made some egg muffins with ground turkey, red bell pepper and baby spinach. I had a couple for breakfast this morning with a few cubes of fried pork belly.  It's 1:30 and I'm just at the point where I'm wondering if I should break for lunch (shepherd's pie).  Since I'm not really hungry, I'll take a 10 min walk to enjoy the gorgeous weather, but wait a bit longer to eat.
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Post by: Liz on September 23, 2015, 01:09:12 PM
I hope you are feeling better today swick!

Dulcimina ~ Today was like for me too. Not very hungry for lunch at all! I put some coconut milk in my coffee this morning and I think that kept me   full for longer than I thought it would.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 23, 2015, 10:48:12 PM
Hi all, I have loved reading this thread with your highs and lows. I have just discovered Whole30 and have done a few weeks on and off but struggled to stick with it. I developed the same weird metallic taste in my mouth that I had when pregnant (and I'm not). Any ideas what that could be? I do love the feeling of stable blood sugar as I have always been on a bit of a sugar rollercoaster. Have some weight and belly chub to lose and have just started allergy season in New Zealand and I want to be unmedicated for a change. I've always suspected I have a dairy allergy so this will be a good test. Won't be easy as I'm visiting my parents with the kids for the school holidays but they've read Wheatbelly so have some grasp of the concept. Was tempted to say I'd start after the holidays but there can always be an excuse not to start. So fuck it, I'm just going to start now.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 23, 2015, 10:53:06 PM
Thanks Liz,

I had a 5 or so hour nap, not sure what that is going to do to my system :S

KiwiSonya - Awesome that you are joining us! One thing I would consider before starting and having a holiday at the same time -  we found it takes a whole lot more thought, meal planning and even prep work than we are use to. I would find it almost impossible if we tried to do it on holidays!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 24, 2015, 09:16:57 AM
Hi all, I have loved reading this thread with your highs and lows. I have just discovered Whole30 and have done a few weeks on and off but struggled to stick with it. I developed the same weird metallic taste in my mouth that I had when pregnant (and I'm not). Any ideas what that could be? I do love the feeling of stable blood sugar as I have always been on a bit of a sugar rollercoaster. Have some weight and belly chub to lose and have just started allergy season in New Zealand and I want to be unmedicated for a change. I've always suspected I have a dairy allergy so this will be a good test. Won't be easy as I'm visiting my parents with the kids for the school holidays but they've read Wheatbelly so have some grasp of the concept. Was tempted to say I'd start after the holidays but there can always be an excuse not to start. So fuck it, I'm just going to start now.

Hi from a fellow seasonal allergy sufferer! I'm glad you mentioned the metallic taste in your mouth because I had the same thing for the first couple of days. I didn't really think about it until now! It went away a few days ago. I wonder if it was an imbalance of some kind? Maybe stress?

I've already noticed that taking cheese out has helped my allergies immensely. I did have a flair up last night (kept waking up with a runny nose) and I am hoping it is just the rest of the bad junk getting out of my system. Unfortunately I was eating pretty poorly right before I started my Whole30, and I am paying for it with the headaches I am getting at night. I am starting to feel great during the days though! On Day 6 today!
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Post by: Dulcimina on September 24, 2015, 10:47:58 AM
Could the metallic taste be from ketosis?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 24, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
Today is certainly off to a better start then yesterday.

Hubby is still really, really struggling with energy levels. He has been firmly in the day 6-7 stage (I just want a nap…) since Monday. He is getting his regular amount of sleep but he is waking up tired, struggling all day at work and then basically being a zombie when he comes home. I'm not sure what to do, and if anyone has any suggestions that would be great! Given we are on day 17, I'm getting a little concerned.

I was sick for a couple of weeks coming into this, so I expect my results to not be quite as quick...but it seems like Hubs is not only not seeing any improvements, things are worse than normal. Awfully hard to keep him motivated when he is struggling this much.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on September 24, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
Hey Swick, bummer your husband is struggling so hard. I'd suggest having him track his macronutrient ratios (protein, carbohydrates, fat) for 2-3 days. According to my research, people can fall into a triangle of misery on paleo-type diets. Where protein/carbs are juuuuust high enough to keep someone out of ketosis, but not high enough to provide the glycogen needed for normal energy flow.

If he's not enthused about tracking things, just eat a potato. If he feels better, then add some carbs.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 24, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
Hey Swick, bummer your husband is struggling so hard. I'd suggest having him track his macronutrient ratios (protein, carbohydrates, fat) for 2-3 days. According to my research, people can fall into a triangle of misery on paleo-type diets. Where protein/carbs are juuuuust high enough to keep someone out of ketosis, but not high enough to provide the glycogen needed for normal energy flow.

If he's not enthused about tracking things, just eat a potato. If he feels better, then add some carbs.

Thanks Sailor Sam, Hubs ALWAYS feels better after he gets potato in him :D I think it is at least 1/2 psychological as he is rather fond of Potatoes.  So it sounds like what you are saying is he's teetering on keto but not quite there, and not getting the glucose he needs for normal functioning. That makes sense. So it looks like we have to pick a direction, eh? I don't think He'd hold up to not being able to have the potatoes and fruit he'd have to cut out to cross over. I think the whole 30 is a a big enough shift int he first place to start with.

Is there a way to kinda "test out" Keto? Try it for just a while to see? Or does it harm your body to go back and forth? I did some research, but I didn't find anything on that specifically.

P.S. I love this community, and this little support group we have going. You all ROCK!
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Post by: mom22boys on September 24, 2015, 03:14:43 PM
Back home!  Yipppeeee!  I have to say....traveling while on Whole30 is super tough, unless you can take most of your food with you (which I didn't). I'm happy to report that I DID IT! Stayed on plan. Yesterday I was able to find eggs and a banana for breakfast. Lunch at the customer site was catered in sandwiches and salads.  I couldn't eat any of it, since it was all covered in mayos/dressings. So, luckily it was very informal, so I ate my banana and almonds, but no protein. My coworker didn't even realize I didn't eat until I told her at supper, so I was pretty stealth with it.  :-)  For supper I had a good steak (again), salad, and baked potato. The restaurant was very helpful and the service was great. This morning, I couldn't find any protein at the airport, so once again I had almonds and a banana and apple. Luckily I was able to find a hard boiled egg, and compliant chicken at the next airport.

Welcome KiwiSonya!  I've also had the metallic taste in my mouth for about a week.  I figured it was ketosis, at least that's what I'm hoping. :-)

SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more?  Swick - What do you mean by 'pick a direction'?  Just meaning that more potatoes would mean hubs wouldn't be in keto? Other than weight lose, is there really a benefit for being in keto? I'm read a little in this area, but I have to admit, I don't understand a lot of it.

I should also add that there are some people who also just can't completely cut out some of these foods. My sister in law did the Whole30 a couple years ago, and if I remember right, her blood pressure dropped due to some issue she's had with her thyroid. So her doctor told her to NOT do the whole30 any more.  She is gluten intolerance though, so she does portions of it, just not all the food groups. I think her situation is pretty rare, but it's always important to remember that we aren't all the same, and some people react different than others.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on September 24, 2015, 03:44:05 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Glad I'm not the only one with the metallic taste.  If it's ketosis then that's good right? Started my day with stirfry of ground beef and vege. I actually really enjoy meat and vege and have decided I prefer it to standard fare. Have a banana in my bag for the plane and my parents are 5 mins walk from a supermarket so hopefully I will be able to secure appropriate provisions. Hopefully holiday time will be less rushing around and more time to prep meals so am optimistic I can do it.
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Post by: swick on September 24, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
YAY AWESOME JOB!!! *Super high five!!!*
YOU DID IT!!!! (can you tell I'm uber impressed?) So glad you were able to stick with it. Sounds like there were some challenges, but you managed to overcome them!

SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more?  Swick - What do you mean by 'pick a direction'?  Just meaning that more potatoes would mean hubs wouldn't be in keto? Other than weight lose, is there really a benefit for being in keto? I'm read a little in this area, but I have to admit, I don't understand a lot of it.

That's kinda what I was thinking and meant when I said "pick a direction" to go into Keto or not..I'm pretty fuzzy about it as well. There is A LOT of conflicting info.  Hubby does need to lose some weight so it is worth exploring.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 24, 2015, 06:49:13 PM
I never thought about metallic mouth = ketosis, but that definitely makes sense!

Congrats mom22boys!!! It sounds like you did awesome while traveling, which is one of the hardest parts about the Whole 30 to me!

I hit the "tired" phase this evening -- had a major headache so I laid down for a little bit and ended up napping for two hours!
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Post by: Sailor Sam on September 24, 2015, 07:05:00 PM
SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more? 

Well, I’m not in any way an expert, but I do find this stuff interesting. General caveats about not being a chemist.

Here are a few givens:

1. Our cells need energy in order to contract. Important!
2. The energy packet they prefer (like Pandas prefer bamboo) is ATP
3. BUT cells can only store ~3 seconds worth of ATP inside themselves

Shit! My heart is only going to keep beating for 3 seconds!? Fear not BECAUSE our muscles can store a complex carbohydrate called glycogen.

1. Glycogen is actually a bunch of glucose molecules hooked together
2. Our cells can take a glycogen molecule, and break it back into a glucose molecule
3. Once the cell has glucose, it can break the glucose molecule into ATP

Cells have 2 different recipes for making ATP. One needs oxygen (aerobic), and one doesn’t (anaerobic). This point isn’t important right now, but it is fascinating!

BUT where does the muscle’s glycogen come from? The magic liver!

1. The major building blocks of all the food we eat are protein molecules, fat molecules, and carbohydrate molecules.
2. When protein and carbohydrates are digested, one of the results is glucose
2.1 Carbohydrades convert easily, protein less easily.
3. This glucose enters the blood stream through magic I don't really understand. It just does, okay?
4. The liver takes the glucose from the bloodstream, and squishes the glucose together to make a glycogen
5. If cells in the body start to get low on glycogen, the liver will convert glycogen back to glucose and send it out via the bloodstream.
6. The cells get glucose, which can be made into ATP, which keeps your heart beating, etc


In the above system, the main driver of energy is glucose, which comes from carbohydrate molecules. The process is called glycogenesis, and our bodies really like to exist in that energy state.

BUT what if the body doesn’t take in enough carbohydrate molecules to keep all the cells full of energy?

1. First the cells, then the muscles, then the liver gets depleted of glycogen.
2. Once that happens, a back up energy system comes on line.
3. Instead of using glucose to make ATP, the backup system uses fatty acids to produce ATP.
4. While in ‘backup’ the liver takes fat molecules, and turns them into something called ketone bodies
5. I’m a shaky on the conversions, so don’t ask, OKAY?
6. The liver sends the ketone bodies into the bloodstream, the cells snarf them up, and make ATP. Your heart keeps beating

Moral of story: if you stop eating enough carbohydrates, the muscles and liver runs out of glycogen. The liver shifts over to metabolizing fat.

The plot twist(!), the liver doesn’t really like to burn fat. It will try to limp along making glucose with minimal carbohydrates. Protein can also be used to make glucose, so if you eat enough protein even in the absence of carbs, you may stay in glycogenesis. 

1. When glycogen shortage happens, the liver prioritizes the important organs, shorting the muscles and sometimes the brain
2. WHICH MEANS, carb levels that are below ideal energy but still above switching to ketosis make you tired, angry, hungry, exhausted, etc. If you've ever experienced an exercise 'bonk' then you know glycogen depletion. It's not a happy place. 

That was hard. Anyone still reading?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 25, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
2. WHICH MEANS, carb levels that are below ideal energy but still above switching to ketosis make you tired, angry, hungry, exhausted, etc. If you've ever experienced an exercise 'bonk' then you know glycogen depletion. It's not a happy place. 

That was hard. Anyone still reading?

Thank you Sailor Sam!  I did read the whole thing, and I agree that it's pretty fascinating!  The one that really caught my attention was your last point, with kinda being in the middle of the switch.  I've also been struggling with being tired over the last week, and this really helps me understand the WHY behind it.  I've been sleeping like a rock at night, so I've been a little baffled why I feel so tired. Just shows that I need to experiment a little bit with what foods I'm eating, and then how it impacts my tired/awake feeling.

SailorSam - Weren't you the poster on another thread that talked about experimenting with your body weight and that you had as much of a weight difference of like 20+ pounds from one day to another? I think you've got a good handle on how your body works.  :-) 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 25, 2015, 01:48:23 PM
Thanks for that great explanation,  Sailor Sam. Isn't the body such a complex and amazing system.  You guys were right that holiday Whole30 isn't going to be easy. I'm committed to doing my very best but can see that 100 percent compliance is going to put me offside with my family. My Mum bought out the Everything in moderation line as she offered me specially baked ginger biscuits - argh! How is cereal for breakfast,  sandwiches for lunch and burgers for dinner moderation? I didn't eat the biscuit offered on the plane, ate the filling of a bacon and egg pie and plain salad for lunch and had burger contents minus bun for dinner. Happily went 6 hours between breakfast and lunch which never would happen usually without hangry setting in. But didn't eat enough for lunch so needed afternoon nut and fruit snack. So I caved on a small guilt biscuit but otherwise did alright. Feeling great and like my body is changing if that makes any sense.  Woke up this morning with what feels like bad breath and the metallic taste so something's happening. Going to have eggs for breakfast and will take salad and leftover burger patties with me on our picnic lunch to the beach as my sister is making pizzas to take (more of that grain moderation!).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 26, 2015, 01:34:03 PM
Holidays still proving problematic,  this will have to be my prelude to whole30 but I'm doing the best I can. Woke up with some big acne spots that hurt on my neck - guess that could be hormones and getting rid of toxins.  Yesterday's slip up was deep fried fish and chips (a kiwi favorite). I noticed it was fried in beef tallow which I guess is better than vege oil but certainly not whole30 compliant. I woke up this morning with slight metallic taste in mouth and noticed to my surprise that I was breathing through my nose. As a lifetime mouth breather this was a bit of a shock,  perhaps keeping away from dairy will fix that and my allergies. Had a headache at bedtime last night but otherwise feeling good.  Hope everything good with the rest of you. Sonya
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 26, 2015, 02:52:37 PM
Holidays still proving problematic,  this will have to be my prelude to whole30 but I'm doing the best I can. Woke up with some big acne spots that hurt on my neck - guess that could be hormones and getting rid of toxins.  Yesterday's slip up was deep fried fish and chips (a kiwi favorite). I noticed it was fried in beef tallow which I guess is better than vege oil but certainly not whole30 compliant. I woke up this morning with slight metallic taste in mouth and noticed to my surprise that I was breathing through my nose. As a lifetime mouth breather this was a bit of a shock,  perhaps keeping away from dairy will fix that and my allergies. Had a headache at bedtime last night but otherwise feeling good.  Hope everything good with the rest of you. Sonya

Funny you posted this, earlier this morning I was reading an article about nose breathing exercises for asthmatics and allergy sufferers. I've noticed my allergies are under control during the day, but still not that great at night (when laying down). I might try a neti pot again.

Day 8 here..plugging along!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 26, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
So awesome to hear how everyone is doing!

Thanks for the riveting explanation Sailor Sam, found it very helpful! Are you back on the boat with us? I'm curious how you felt aftwr your couple day break? Any affects? Was it easy to pick up again?

So, last night I had a bit of a slip. Decided to make Nom Nom Paleo's Kahlua pork since I keep hearing everyone rave about it. Ran out of complaint bacon so I figured I'd use a bit of liquid smoke. I've been buying the same brand FOR YEARS because there are no additives or flavoring crap in it. Opened a new bottle and dropped a drop into my mouth to see how strong it was and wouldn't you know, it tasted SWEET. Guess they started putting molasses (and other stuff) in it. So I didn't use it, used some smoked Paprika instead. Was just pissed off that I have been so careful and was doing so good and a damn drop of liquid smoke was my undoing. Not going to stress it and not going to start again, but it is a good reminder to never assume.


Oh the pork...soooo good! Hubby was a very happy camper :D

I've been a life-long mouth breather too, and have been breathing through my nose easily for the past week or so, Didn't really think about it until KiwiSonya mentioned it....


Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 26, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
Don't beat yourself up over a bit of sauce, Swick. I'm sure we are all doing great things for our bodies by just making honest efforts. I ate more ground beef and vege for meal 1 and was surprised to not get hungry until 3pm and even then I didn't want much. Am definitely feeling trimmer and can bend sideways without rolls forming around my middle.  Interesting that others are noticing the nose breathing. I was once told that mouth breathing is bad for you but thought that was just the way I was made. I'm feeling highly attuned to my body and it's nice to think I could be rid of some niggling things that I always imagined I'd be stuck with. Great to have you guys to talk to. Think my family are already sick of the subject so I'll shut up now, but I can see they are curiously watching me.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 27, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
Thanks for the check in, Swick. I am back on board, but I'm finding it really difficult. I'm full of angst and resentment. This morning I stood in front of the donut case at the grocery store and raged at the universe. I'm in full on tantrum mode. I'm sure I'll get over it, but daum, poor me.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 28, 2015, 01:59:30 AM
Hoping you're over the tantrum, Sailor-Sam. My 3 year old did a similar thing at the supermarket today - you should have thrown yourself to the ground and screamed 'but I really want it!!' like he did as it was over quite quickly when I walked away and pretended he was someone else's brat. End of Day 5 now and last couple of days have gone quite swimmingly.  Belt has gone in a notch and I'm feeling good and suprised how easy it has been to say no to the treats. I figure that being out of my usual routine while on holiday has been helpful in many ways. Hope everyone else is going okay.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 28, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
Thanks for the check in, Swick. I am back on board, but I'm finding it really difficult. I'm full of angst and resentment. This morning I stood in front of the donut case at the grocery store and raged at the universe. I'm in full on tantrum mode. I'm sure I'll get over it, but daum, poor me.
Aww it will get better! The angst and resentment at watching a family member devour a whip cream filled, chocolate dipped cream-puff yesterday - then lick his fingers! aaalllmost resulted in actions on my part that would definitely be unsavory and not very sweet.

Great to hear thinks are going well, KiwiSonya! Maybe the holiday is enough of a pattern interrupt that you are able to develop some new habits!

Hubs still struggled all weekend. Last night during on of our philosophical discussions - after hubs had gotten up from laying down again with a headache (he never gets 'em) He decided he wanted to weigh himself. He's an engineer and needs data to make sense of things.

Now, scales aren't an issue for us. I made him get on before the start of the whole 30 and it had probably been at least a year before that. His reasoning was he is okay and can accept the feeling like shit if it is because his body is changing  and starting to use up some of the fat - but if he is this tired and crappy feeling and that isn't the reason, he needs to reevaluate what his body is doing because he is bloody miserable.

Turns out he has lost 5 lbs. We have both been too damn tired so haven't really increased activity levels at all, nightly walks with our pup is about all we have been managing so it is the result of diet changes alone. I can see his cloths are fitting differently, but the hard number confirmed for him that things are happening. It was like a switch went off, he got his second wind, at least mentally :)

One thing we realized is while we moved away from a super toxic town/environment in Dec of last year, we unconsciously took a lot of our eating habits with us. So we have been chatting about those and really digging into the "why" behind all the habits we have developed.

One thing we were guilty of is going and grabbing Subway for supper as we had 4-5 nights a week where we had about 1/2 an hour between hubby getting off of work and having to run out to a community event or meeting. I would say we probably did this about 4 times a month. So I pulled up the nutritional info (Subway doesn't make it easy!) and realized that hubby's usual meal was 1750 calories!! YIKES!! it was the LEAST HEALTHY of all the fast food meals that usually tempt us on those nights we are too busy to cook. Now we have re-structured our lives since moving so I work from home and we haven't gotten super-involved in our community, so we have time to make good food at home - that is a start.  Been very interesting to see what conversations and ideas crop up :)

How is everyone else doing?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 28, 2015, 11:14:24 AM
Oh the pork...soooo good! Hubby was a very happy camper :D

Agree!  That pork is divine! I'm eating some yummy Moroccan meatballs right now, and they are so good also. Next time, I think I'm going to braise my cabbage right in with the meatballs.  Kinda like pigs in the blanket. 

Swick - Glad your hubby is seeing some weight loss.  That does help make it worth the effort. I have about 50 lb to lose, so that's obviously one of my largest goals with this process. But it really is so much more, as I've learned over the course of doing this for 2 times. This time around I didn't even weight myself first, but I can tell a big difference and it definitely feels great to have people comment about my appearance.

This process has definitely helped me rethink what foods I can and cannot live without.  Also, it's helped me recognize my patterns of eating, and how much of that has come from my parent's poor eating habits. It's not something I want to pass to my kids. There has to be a balance, which is something I'm still struggling with, but it's getting easier every day. I want my boys to know that it's ok to have a chocolate chip cookie sometimes.  I don't want to be legalistic about it.  But....I also want to make sure they understand that fruit is also a great alternative and can be just as yummy.  Breaking eating habits of 40 years is not easy.  :-)

One cool thing is that I finally got my parents to do the Whole30 too. They are almost done with week 3, and shockingly haven't cheated.  I just hope they can continue with these better habits.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on September 28, 2015, 01:07:38 PM
We're doing well!

My girlfriend was out of town this weekend for business (travelling showdog photographer, yes you read that correctly).  For the first time ever on one of those trips, they ate only food brought with her, and she brought enough food for the friend she was traveling with (the key to them actually not going to any restaurants).  She brought leftover meatballs, curried pork with vegetables, fresh fruit, beef sticks (Whole30 compliant) and some carrot cake Larabars.  She and her friend both felt great the whole weekend.  We also got her friend a quart of pasture-raised lard for her birthday (most people would NOT appreciate such a gift!).

Myself this weekend?  I'm a weirdly unpicky guy with food, and I was busy working on my car this weekend while the lady was out of town, so my meals consisted of strange things like (my Saturday) a big portion of randomly-spiced pan-fried ground pork with nothing else for breakfast, an entire bunch of bananas for lunch, raw spinach and raw cashews while in the car driving to Autozone, and an apple later.  Whatever's around, whatever's convenient.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: jat9449 on September 28, 2015, 01:28:43 PM
Ah! Just realized I wasn't getting notifications. So I missed about 30 posts. I'm on day 14 (almost half-way)!! I feel pretty stinking awesome, but I still have major sugar cravings. Probably because of my extreme love for peanut butter M&Ms. I know, I know. I probably shouldn't even talk about them.

I noticed this weekend while the baby was napping, I found myself perusing the kitchen every 15 minutes just "looking". I wasn't even hungry, just really bored. Could've also been because the hubs was baking Italian Bread in his bread machine. Yeah, he's evil ... Looking forward to more Tiger's Blood!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 28, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
Ah! Just realized I wasn't getting notifications. So I missed about 30 posts. I'm on day 14 (almost half-way)!! I feel pretty stinking awesome, but I still have major sugar cravings. Probably because of my extreme love for peanut butter M&Ms. I know, I know. I probably shouldn't even talk about them.

I noticed this weekend while the baby was napping, I found myself perusing the kitchen every 15 minutes just "looking". I wasn't even hungry, just really bored. Could've also been because the hubs was baking Italian Bread in his bread machine. Yeah, he's evil ... Looking forward to more Tiger's Blood!

Congrats on being on Day 14! Day 10 here....l like counting up the days {not counting down!}, as a reminder of the streak we all have going on! I finally made it past the headache stage. I'm still not sleeping as good as I would like to be, but that is 100% allergy related. I can also tell my clothes are fitting a little better, which is always a plus!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on September 28, 2015, 09:05:32 PM
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

You are starting your quest at a difficult time of year: End of summer, beginning of fall. I call this the start of the Season of Insanity: food vendors, starting with Halloween and continuing on through Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day then wrapping up with Easter, will be shoving HFCS's, sugars and lactose, all embedded in chocolate, at you as hard as they can. (Don't believe me? Count the number of displays of OREOs in Wal-Mart after Halloween. You should see somewhere between 3 and 5 end caps dedicated to them.)

ON top of that, as winter comes on, your body will begin to want to lay in some fat and you'll begin craving shitty, useless "comfort foods". Warm breads, fried potatoes, corn products and almost anything with gluten in it.

And of course, don't forget the State Fairs that started in August (Hello Minnesotans!) and will run almost to Christmas. Damn the fried potatoes, ice cream and funnel cakes.

I say this not to paint a hopeless picture, but to offer strategies that can make you successful - you just need to be aware that there are forces out there actively working against you to sell you crap your body does not need or want.

So, some strategies:
- Be aware of the game-playing. Get mad and don't take it any more. Dig in your heels and be subversive. This works well if you are stubborn by nature.
- Just like Pete/MMM tells us NEVER SHOP, likewise, never go into a store unless you have eaten ahead of time (the proper food) and have a very specific list of what you are there for. Buy that stuff then get the hell out.
- Assemble some great compliant recipes that you love and PREFER to the crapfoods. Sources? ruled.me and ibreatheimhungry.com are two goto websites for me. They have a very-lo-carb zero-gluten pizza that will blow your freaking mind.
- The Crock Pot is your friend. You can make magic food in it that's waiting for you when you get home. If you've never experienced crockpot joy, you don't know what you are missing - to walk in the door from a long day at work to a place smelling rich and beautiful with food in a crock pot is a joy.
- Water is not your friend - water is your DAMNED AWESOME FRIEND THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ASS. Whatever you need to do to drink more and more of it, DO IT: add lemon, add lime (I do that), add whatever will make you drink it that's allowed.
- Sleep. Sleep as much as you need to, preferably cuddling with your favorite SO.
- Stay away from anything chocolate toward bedtime, it'll give you reflux
- We are subversives. Just like the world doesn't get frugalism/MMM, they won't get your diet either. Fuck them, be the subversive you were meant to be.

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on September 28, 2015, 11:02:00 PM
Thanks for the support and useful pointers Mefla. I guess I'm lucky to be in spring in New Zealand but the holiday season looms large too. Apparently they have worked out that Kiwis gain a kilogram or so over the Christmas holidays and never lose it so as a nation we are getting fatter and fatter. I'm feeling awesome and at this point don't want to go back to my old diet - but still plenty of time to finish my 30.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 29, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Yay for updates!

Mom22boys - so awesome that you are getting your parents on board! I'm pretty sure my mom will give it a go - not sure about my dad. He works outside in the snow and has a hugely physical job so I think keeping him fed and able to work through some of the transition would be really tough.

It is quite interesting to look at where we got a lot of our habits and food patterns from. So many are inherited from our parents! They are also the hardest patterns to break!

Ketchup - Traveling dog show photographer!? My first thought was sweet! how do I sign up for that! My second thought was...hmmm that would mean dealing with the humans too...errr...no thanks! It's great that your Gf was able to take her own food with her and get her friend involved!

I think the idea of giving/getting some pastured lard as a birthday gift is awesome!

Jat9449 - Glad you found us again! Sometimes the notifications can be a little flaky. Glad to hear you are doing well and feeling awesome! I can't imagine doing this without my husband doing it with me, pretty sure I would have had my head stuck in the bread machine and been chowing down on that bread :)  WAY TO GO!

Liz - I never thought about it, but you are right, counting UP the days does have a major psychological difference, doesn't it! I wonder what else I can apply this to....

Glad to hear you are getting out of the headache stage!

Mefla - What can I say? I love your posts! Always good reminders. I don't know about you guys, but last Halloween, I wasn't even tempted by the candy - well once I opened the bags and smelled it, even the chocolate. Remember back in the day when even Halloween candy had some actual chocolate in the "chocolate" bars?  You know...that might cure anyone who is really tempted by chocolate, have the first piece you eat after the whole 30 one of those fun size chocolate bars, instant cure :)

KiwiSonya - Good to hear you are feeling great :)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 29, 2015, 08:07:05 AM
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

Love this post, and hi from one southeasterner to another!

Speaking of keto, I really enjoy reading the posts in the keto section of reddit for more information and to keep me motivated {even though it's a little different than Whole30/Paleo, a lot of the key components are similar}. The success/progress posts are truly inspiring!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Dulcimina on September 29, 2015, 10:23:01 AM
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

I'm not even keto and I'm inspired!!

My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

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- Water is not your friend - water is your DAMNED AWESOME FRIEND THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ASS. Whatever you need to do to drink more and more of it, DO IT: add lemon, add lime (I do that), add whatever will make you drink it that's allowed.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on September 29, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

Now THAT'S a thing of beauty. That meal will easily get you to dinner without any hunger pangs. Eggs are nature's miracle food!

I keep ducks, I have six girls who give me between 4-6 eggs every day. I make a mean cheese omelet that can almost get me completely from breakfast to dinner without hunger pangs. And I sleep like a baby that night....
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on September 29, 2015, 11:02:49 AM


My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

*Shudders* Every experiment I have ever tried to make Nutritional yeast taste "cheesy" has ended in abject failure. Is yours any good?

Found a spiralizer at the thrift store and made zucchini noodles with a meat sauce turned out pretty good! Had extra sauce so added some spices and turned it into chili to have over sweet potatoes for lunch. 

Hope everyone is having a great day!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 29, 2015, 11:42:48 AM
- Water is not your friend - water is your DAMNED AWESOME FRIEND THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ASS. Whatever you need to do to drink more and more of it, DO IT: add lemon, add lime (I do that), add whatever will make you drink it that's allowed.
- - We are subversives. Just like the world doesn't get frugalism/MMM, they won't get your diet either. Fuck them, be the subversive you were meant to be.

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

Ok Mefla, you got me.  When I read the first part line about water, I immediately was like what the heck!  That's just plain crazy!  Water is AWE.SOME. In fact, water is about the only beverage I drink any more.  And then I kept reading. :-)  I was literally LOL since I thought you were crazy at first.  Thank you for the encouragement and really, really great tips.  As you said, I'm really starting to rethink and question food in general, just like I've been rethinking about my finances. Also, yeah for Bacon...now if I could only find some that is compliant for Whole30.  Well, I guess I could technically start eating some on Thursday (day 31 for me!) since the only bad stuff in the Costco bacon I found was trace sugar....hummm things to think about.

Jat - Welcome back! My sugar cravings haven't been too bad, but they have reared their light head again for me the last week. So far I haven't had an issue saying no, but it does make me realize that I need to NOT add it back after day 30. At least not for a longer period of time.

Ketchup - Yeah for your GF!  That's awesome that she took her food with.  I soooo should have done that on my last work trip.  I had every intention of taking more food with me, but just ran out of time. Live and learn.

Liz - Booo for allergies!  I'm so thankful I don't have any (and I hope I stay that way). My sleep has been great the last 2 weeks, so I'm hoping you get to that point too. Eventually the allergies come to an end, right?

Swick - I think your hubby is rubbing off on me.  I have been just doggin' it for the last 2 weeks. 

Today I seriously feel weak and light headed. I'm thinking that I'm not eating enough, but that's hard because I'm NOT hungry.  Anyone else in the boat with me?  Are you eating more?  I've tried to add more fruit to my daily routine, I'm eating potatoes about twice a week, but still feel drained.  I miss week 1, where I had serious Tiger Blood.  I felt frickin' awesome!  I want that back. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Dulcimina on September 30, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
*Shudders* Every experiment I have ever tried to make Nutritional yeast taste "cheesy" has ended in abject failure. Is yours any good?

Found a spiralizer at the thrift store and made zucchini noodles with a meat sauce turned out pretty good! Had extra sauce so added some spices and turned it into chili to have over sweet potatoes for lunch. 

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Have you tried NY on roasted cauliflower? I like it, but then again I sort of like nutritional yeast. 

For the cheese, you can also add extra flavor as well- garlic, parsley, jalapeno etc. 

If you are a cheese connoisseur - don't even bother with this. For me, it's a reasonably tasty vehicle for getting zucchini and gelatin in my belly.  For you, it would be SWYPO. 

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Dulcimina on September 30, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Also, yeah for Bacon...now if I could only find some that is compliant for Whole30.  Well, I guess I could technically start eating some on Thursday (day 31 for me!) since the only bad stuff in the Costco bacon I found was trace sugar....hummm things to think about. 

Our local grocery store chain (Publix) sells a brand of bacon called Maverick - no sugar and no nitrites/nitrates. Not particularly expensive either :)

Or pork belly if you can get it. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 30, 2015, 03:07:43 PM

Liz - Booo for allergies!  I'm so thankful I don't have any (and I hope I stay that way). My sleep has been great the last 2 weeks, so I'm hoping you get to that point too. Eventually the allergies come to an end, right? 

Today I seriously feel weak and light headed. I'm thinking that I'm not eating enough, but that's hard because I'm NOT hungry.  Anyone else in the boat with me?  Are you eating more?  I've tried to add more fruit to my daily routine, I'm eating potatoes about twice a week, but still feel drained.  I miss week 1, where I had serious Tiger Blood.  I felt frickin' awesome!  I want that back.

How are you feeling today? Better, I hope!! Maybe it was just a one day thing? I'm definitely noticing a small decrease in appetite, and I am liking that I can go longer without feeling hungry {I feel like I was the queen of the grazers before}

I feel like I've always been susceptible to seasonal allergies, and I am in AL where the weather is always changing. I'm tired of having to take OTC medicines and feeling groggy from them. At any rate, I've read success stories where the Whole30 has cured or greatly decreased people's allergies.  But after 12 days, I am still having a stuffy and runny nose {but just at night, which is an improvement}. I bought some quercetin from a natural foods store yesterday. It is supposed to be a natural antihistamine and seemed to help last night. I know there is a low histamine version of the Whole30 which I might try down the road. It just seems pretty restrictive.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on September 30, 2015, 06:32:23 PM
I feel like I've always been susceptible to seasonal allergies, and I am in AL where the weather is always changing. I'm tired of having to take OTC medicines and feeling groggy from them. At any rate, I've read success stories where the Whole30 has cured or greatly decreased people's allergies.  But after 12 days, I am still having a stuffy and runny nose {but just at night, which is an improvement}. I bought some quercetin from a natural foods store yesterday. It is supposed to be a natural antihistamine and seemed to help last night. I know there is a low histamine version of the Whole30 which I might try down the road. It just seems pretty restrictive.

Keep going Liz, keep going! You should see continuing improvement. My problems faded over a period of about six months into the Keto lifestyle. After a year, mostly gone with the possible exception of the occasional GERD if I ate too late in the day.

I'm much improved today and I'll never go back to the way things were.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on September 30, 2015, 07:36:19 PM
Anyone know what day it is?  That's right....IT'S DAY 30! Woot, Woot! For those of you (which I think is most of you) still on track, keep up the great work.  It is worth it!

I'm going to keep going, and try to figure out what day to start reintroduction. When I start, I'm going to do 2 days of adding the food group back, and then off again for 5 days.  I think a week at a time will be a better gauge. I'm honestly not even sure if I'll weigh myself tomorrow. I don't even know what my starting weight was.  I'm more about just feeling and looking good, regardless of the number on the scale. I'll see how I feel about it in the morning.

I've felt a little better today, but still tired.  It didn't help that I woke up at 5 am.  :-) Today I purposely tried to eat more food. Not stuffed, but a little more full. I think that did help some.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on September 30, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Waving at you from the keto end of the pool. Come on in, the water's great! Bacon!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on September 30, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
Congratulations to Eilrene and mom22boys!!! You made it through the 30 days and that is a BIG accomplishment! I hope you continue to post in here!

I am on Day 12 and am taking each day as it comes. Trying to really take in the process, as funny as that sounds. I am enjoying nourishing my body with good food and loving the benefits that I am seeing. :-)

I am a little nervous because I will be on a camping/kayaking trip Friday night through Sunday -- my first venture into going out of town on the Whole30. I will be able to bring a cooler, which will be helpful. I am planning on bringing fruit, nuts, avocados, compliant beef jerky, and some RxBars to keep in my dry bag when kayaking. Maybe some tins of tuna, homemade ranch and veggies. We will probably go out to eat Saturday night, so I might even bring some of my own precooked chicken and dressing to add to a plain salad. What else could I bring?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on September 30, 2015, 09:37:20 PM
I am a little nervous because I will be on a camping/kayaking trip Friday night through Sunday -- my first venture into going out of town on the Whole30. I will be able to bring a cooler, which will be helpful. I am planning on bringing fruit, nuts, avocados, compliant beef jerky, and some RxBars to keep in my dry bag when kayaking. Maybe some tins of tuna, homemade ranch and veggies. We will probably go out to eat Saturday night, so I might even bring some of my own precooked chicken and dressing to add to a plain salad. What else could I bring?

All that stuff sounds fantastic. I'd add water (or maybe ice to be used for drinking), herbal tea or regular tea if you need it to wake up. Pecans.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on September 30, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Trying to really take in the process, as funny as that sounds.

Oh man, I'm terrible at that part. For me, the hardest part of any 30 day food challenge isn't cravings, or frustration with new cooking. It's knowing I have to count up 30 days before I can have the satisfaction of being 'finished.' I want the destination without all that dreary journeying.

And I'll add my congratulations to all the people who completed those 30 days. May we all be there soon!

As for traveling, I'd suggest making a few fat bombs. They stave off terminal hunger, and satisfy sugar cravings for some people. Just google Whole30 fat bomb for recipe ideas. They often need to be kept cold to be solid, so keep them in the bottom of the cooler.

One thing I tried today was chicken broth, with 2 egg yolks stirred in. Found the idea on the internet, and I was super wary. Sounded gross, but it was insanely delicious. Boil the broth gently, drop in the egg yolks, add enough salt. It has the taste and consistency of egg drop soup. Maybe you could take a couple mason jars of broth with you?

One last idea. Make some spicy tuna cakes (http://nomnompaleo.com/post/91332244628/spicy-tuna-cakes)

Long. Hope that wasn't creepily enthusiastic.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 01, 2015, 10:43:36 AM
I'm definitely not going to abandon this awesome group!  Even though day 30 was yesterday, I'm still truckin' along with the same eating.  I might have an occasional food with trace sugar (IE BACON!), but otherwise I'm going to keep with the exact rules. I'm a little torn though.  Do you think it's ok to add just trace sugar back in DURING the reintroduction phase?  I know the book said to not add back sugary sweets, but I don't remember anything about trace amounts.

I decided to weigh myself this morning too. While I have no clue what my starting weight was, I'm guessing that I'm down around 10-15 lbs. I still have about 50 lbs to go to get to my goal weight, but I really am not going to focus on the number any more.

Oh almost forgot...I woke up feeling fabulous today!  Yippee for day 31! When I got to work, I had so much energy I seriously wanted to run around my building. And I'm still feelin' like that at lunch time. 

Eirene - Congrats to you for making it, and even bigger that you're going for the full Whole60.  I may just end up with you at 60 days, depending if I hold out on the trace sugar and reintro phase.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 01, 2015, 12:07:07 PM
mom22boys -- I saw this article on the Whole30 website yesterday, and it should answer your question about having a little sugar during the reintro. {looks like the answer is yes, it's totally fine in small amounts, like you mentioned}

http://whole30.com/2014/09/dear-melissa-slow-reintroduction-roll/

And YAY for lots of energy! That sounds awesome! I can tell I have more energy and my mood is better, but not quite running-around-the-building energy yet!;) But hopefully I get there!

My trip this weekend was just postponed due to inclement weather, but I think it will now happen next weekend. I appreciate all of the helpful suggestions, and now I have an extra week to prepare.

Sailor Sam ~ I just bought a pack of Wild Planet tuna from Costco and now I know what I can use for it. Thank you for the recipe!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 02, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
Thanks Liz!  That was the perfect article for me right now!  Today I had my first non-compliant food.  My friends own a barbeque food truck, and gave me some left over smoked chicken. All the spices are compliant, but it has trace sugar.  Otherwise, I'm still fully on track.  This weekend I need to look at my schedule for the month and determine the best time for reintro. I'm not in a rush.

How's everyone else doing?  SailorSam, thanks for the reminder of the spicy tuna cakes. I've wanted to try them, and kinda forgot about them.

Mefla - I'm buying bacon this weekend.  Just thought you would want to know.  :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 02, 2015, 01:40:40 PM
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How's everyone else doing?  SailorSam, thanks for the reminder of the spicy tuna cakes. I've wanted to try them, and kinda forgot about them.
Mefla - I'm buying bacon this weekend.  Just thought you would want to know.  :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 02, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
Okay....sooo...forum e-mail notifications NOT working! I have missed so much!

Congrats for finishing mom22boys and Eirene!!!!

Mom22boys -sorry you were channeling hubby, hope you are doing better! As far as getting enough to eat, one thing that has really helped both of us is I started taking our morning tea and whizzing it with the stick blender with a bit of coconut milk and a spoonful of coconut oil - Kinda like bullet proof coffee style but not so extreme. It seems like it has really helped!

I haven't been on the forums for the last few days, not sure if it is the increase in energy or the adrenaline and excitement that a couple of major shifts are happening in my life and business - but I want to get as much done as I can! It's been a little nutty.

I dreaded doing whole 30 for so long (been planning to do it for 6 months) because of all the restrictions, but I don't even really notice them now.

I am all in favor of making this a long-term thread where we can stick around and support each other, you are all awesome :D I really appreciate how everyone is open and willing to share - the good - the bad - the ugly. This journey would have been much longer and way more lonely without having you all here with me - so  - THANK YOU!!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 03, 2015, 02:21:06 AM
Congratulations to those who have completed their whole30! Awesome efforts. I have extended my holiday at my parents for another week as the weather is much better than my home city. I have roughly kept to the program with occasional blow outs. I plan to start again properly when I get home in 4 days. But I continue to feel great and can imagine eating this way more or less for the rest of my life. No sugar rollercoaster, no seasonal allergies (man, the world smells amazing to me now, I didn't ever know that just as geography changes as you move so do the smells!) and no cravings. This has been a life changer and I hope this thread continues so we can all share the journey beyond 30.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 03, 2015, 08:13:53 AM
This is one of my favorite threads and I try to check it at least once a day. I truly love reading everyone's posts. I post over on the Whole30 forum too, but I like this thread better.;) I'm on Day 15 and super excited!! I'm not sure if I mentioned this before, but once I finished my first W30 a couple of years ago, I had tried several times to start one up a second time - I would make it to Day 10-12 and just kind of give up because the motivation wasn't there. For some reason, something just kind of "clicked" this time around and I know this thread is one of the reasons. So a big thank you to everyone!

I know it's too early to decide if I am going to continue on, but I am leaning towards YES for another 30 days once I finish this round. I think it will take more than 30 days to truly help with my asthma and allergies, although I am already seeing improvements. I might do a slow-roll introduction and continue on as normal W30, but not freak out if there is a trace amount of sugar in bacon, etc. The only thing I am curious about re-introducing is butter -- I have no interest in re-introducing grains or gluten.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 04, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
Weekend wrap-up...How did everyone do?

Outside of the occasional turnip thrown into the stew pot - I cooked my first Rutabaga! To my surprise I like em better than mashed potatoes. Not as keen on the smell as they are cooking though.

Had a cup of coffee this morning, decided I didn't like the instant gut-rot it gives me. Quite happy to stop drinking it. Quite big for someone who use to start out their workday morning with a quad shot of espresso over a scoop of ice cream and call it breakfast ;)

Hubs has been working OT this week and had to work on Sat. It was super difficult for him. He had enough food to work through supper, but when the company pays for restaurant meals during OT, and everyone around you is noshing on pizza (his fave) it is frustrating and demoralizing. I am super proud of him though.

3 days to go, still not 100% sure what our re-intro is going to look like, I imagine it will be much slower and more methodical then they recommend. I think we'll try and eat this way generally, maybe add back a few things (like not worrying if there is sugar in the bacon)



Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 04, 2015, 09:33:30 PM
The weekend was tough, my friends. I'm a huge grumpaluffagus. I'm made of grump. Grump is happening. I can only spare two brain cells to any non-grump activities.

Actually, the phenomenon has an interesting root. I spent the weekend at my parents. We ended up going out to eat twice, and I ate some vinaigrette dressing, and 2 slices of bacon. I didn't ask the ingredients, so I assume neither were compliant. I also had a couple servings of potatoes each day. The whole weekend had higher than usual carb consumption, and I'm consumed with cravings and anger. The weekend also contained my parents, so it's possible the carbs are actually innocent, but it's certainly something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on October 05, 2015, 07:58:35 AM
Going well with us!  We made meatloaf with cauliflower mash last night, and tonight we're making this again: https://www.paleoplan.com/2009/12-31/thai-chicken-wraps/  We made them last Friday and they are fantastic!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 05, 2015, 09:23:41 AM
Sorry to hear you got the grumples, Sailor Sam! I always go back to the time line and use it as an excuse for when I'm feeling like crap :) Although...family...yeah there have been some challenges there for sure.  Hope today is better for you!

Awesome, Ketchup! Those lettuce wraps look great! One thing Hubs and I were talking about is "comfort foods" and how we need to figure out "why" they are comfort foods, what needs they are meeting and either find alternatives or indulge consciously. 

Unfortunately, most comfort food for hubby are "things with bread" Hamburgers, beef dips, pizza, wraps...stuff like that.  Those are harder to find satisfying alternatives for. My mom got creative and made a "raw" grain free  dehydrated  pizza base once....*shudders* i still have nightmares of that saw-dust, moisture sucking wad of horribleness that got lodged in my throat on the way down. Truly, truly awful experience!

The "Friday night" ritual of having something tasty and decompressing after the work week is something hubby wants to continue. So I am making the list of  his comfort foods that we can eat -YAY chicken wings! and am creating a list of foods we like at restaurants but can make better at home (butter chicken, that sort of thing) and we will make something fun and exciting together every second Friday (he has it off) and then work the ones we like into Friday treats on the Fridays he is working (ER can't come early enough!)

We have also identified that we have to have prepared really easy to make meals ready in the freezer for nights we are busy or working late because those are usually the nights we are tempted to eat fast packaged crap or eat out. Anyone have any suggestions for whole 30 ready to go freezer meals they like?

I am also trying to get the fridge more stocked with grab and go (or grab and saute) veggies and easy to prep ingredients. That is helping too.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 05, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
Another successful weekend!  I stayed on plan except for some trace sugar. Bought my bacon, but just haven't made any yet. We had too much other food to eat up.

Swick - To your freezer meal question.  Do you really need to freeze it, or just refrigerate?  I've found that mass batch cooking on the weekend has been my saving grace. At first it was kinda tedious, but wow, does it save a ton of time during the week.  I'm just asking because I've found that most food will easily last a week in fridge, without having to freeze it.  I guess it just depends on whether you and hubs are ok eating a lot of the same things during the week. The one food that I did freeze was chili. I still need to get that out and eat it up, but I accidently made it with non-compliant broth, so I've been waiting for a while.  Have you tried freezing fajitas? I need to go through my recipes and see what other ideas I have for you.

This weekend I made a huge batch of homemade spaghetti sauce, with sausage (the sausage has trace sugar). Then I cooked up a small spaghetti squash, which will feed me for 3 meals. Oh, this freezes well too. I've even heard that you can freeze the cooked spaghetti squash but haven't tried that. I'll cook up my other spaghetti squash tonight and have it ready for the rest of the week.  That's my lunches for all week. Plus, I made the chicken coconut curry again this weekend, so I have left over chicken and lots of yummy sauce left to make with shrimp and maybe scallops this week.

Ketchup - Another great recipe that I've printed and have to try.  :-)  What recipe do you use for the meatloaf?  Sounds great, and I just got my 1/4 side of beef this weekend, so I have a lot of quality beef to use.

Anyone have more veggies/sides that you can make in mass?  I've done the braised cabbage and rice cauliflower, but looking for other ideas too.


Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on October 05, 2015, 01:23:31 PM
Ketchup - Another great recipe that I've printed and have to try.  :-)  What recipe do you use for the meatloaf?  Sounds great, and I just got my 1/4 side of beef this weekend, so I have a lot of quality beef to use.
The meatloaf we made is from Mark's Daily Apple: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/frozen-primal-paleo-meals/  We did 1lb of ground pork and 1lb of ground beef.  Served with homemade ketchup.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 05, 2015, 03:58:52 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, Mom22boys. I usually batch cook - but it is harder with everything being meat based (compared to, say, beans and grain) I find that the veggies and meat just don't last as well.  It is easy to make a pot of rice to last for a week, but veggie sides seem to be better fresher.

Hubs takes dinner leftover for his lunch the next day. So he doesn't mind eating the same thing once or twice but if we have the same thing two nights in a row it means he is having it for 4 meals in a row. Too much of anything seems to disagree with his system if he has it for too many meals, even if he likes it.

Veggie sides - I am really loving Rutabaga and they are super cheap in the store right now. I made a huge pot of mashed ones with the drippings from the sausage pan and a splash of coconut milk, salt and white pepper. I made the leftovers into patties this morning and dusted them in cashew flour (tasty, added texture, didn't really help them crisp) but they were awesome with some eggs, salsa and guac!

One of hubbies favorite recipes is Brussels sprouts roasted with some onion and apple. I saute the onion a little bit first and just use frozen Brussels from the store. Roast em all up and toss with a little balsamic and back into the oven for a quick broil. Usually I do a 9x13 pan that lasts for a couple of meals.

We got a spiralizer from the thrift store to make zucchini noodles. They are lots of fun and while not as good as homemade pasta, better then the bland packaged dry stuff!

Roasted Squash is always a safe bet...actually roasted everything. If I don't know what to do with something, I roast it :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on October 05, 2015, 06:35:02 PM
Swick, I cook in massive batches for my lunches, and lunch tends to be my biggest meal of the day. I throw meat and yams in a wok with some sort of flavoring and some extra fat, and then divide it up into lunch sized portions in  oversized tupperware and put them in the freezer. After thawing it I top it with salad greens and a half an avocado and take it for lunch. The meat/yam combo freezes well, tastes good, and is incredibly easy. I don't mind repetition, but usually I have three different batches in my freezer at a given time, with different spices.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 05, 2015, 11:02:30 PM
May I join you? I'm just finished day 2 of my first ever attempt at Whole30. I accidentally ate a taco chip today ... drat!!!!! Totally mindless eating. Otherwise, doing well!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 06, 2015, 05:11:26 AM
Swick, I cook in massive batches for my lunches, and lunch tends to be my biggest meal of the day. I throw meat and yams in a wok with some sort of flavoring and some extra fat, and then divide it up into lunch sized portions in  oversized tupperware and put them in the freezer. After thawing it I top it with salad greens and a half an avocado and take it for lunch. The meat/yam combo freezes well, tastes good, and is incredibly easy. I don't mind repetition, but usually I have three different batches in my freezer at a given time, with different spices.

Thanks Botanist! When you say Yams, do you mean the yellow fleshed ones? We can't get them here, we can only get the orange ones which are called both "yam" and "sweet potato" They are, as their name implies so sweet that they are almost awkward to eat in savory dishes...but make an awesome base for a bbq sauce!

Welcome 1967mama! The mindless eating can be hard, but pretty soon if you are eating right the desire to snack in between meals pretty much goes away (it's weird when your hunger signals actually mean your hungry and not  bored/tired/lonely/etc)
It would definitely help to remove anything that you mindlessly use/eat. For us it was the bottle of Sriracha, we just use it on everything, I could find it in my sleep and caught myself several times about to put it on what I was eating. Hiding it broke the cycle.

So, big news guys! Hubs isn't snoring anymore! Between his snoring and my super, super light sleeping and general horrible sleeping habits, we don't share a bedroom. I have been sleeping more consistently (lifelong insomniac) and if diet is the major factor in his snoring, we might, just might be able to actually share a bedroom and that would be pretty darn awesome.

Has anyone else noticed a decrease in snoring?
All-knowing google points that it might be a dairy thing - but wondering if anyone has noticed a difference?

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 06, 2015, 06:07:55 AM
Swick, I cook in massive batches for my lunches, and lunch tends to be my biggest meal of the day. I throw meat and yams in a wok with some sort of flavoring and some extra fat, and then divide it up into lunch sized portions in  oversized tupperware and put them in the freezer. After thawing it I top it with salad greens and a half an avocado and take it for lunch. The meat/yam combo freezes well, tastes good, and is incredibly easy. I don't mind repetition, but usually I have three different batches in my freezer at a given time, with different spices.

This is genius.....

Welcome 1967mama! The mindless eating can be hard, but pretty soon if you are eating right the desire to snack in between meals pretty much goes away (it's weird when your hunger signals actually mean your hungry and not  bored/tired/lonely/etc)
It would definitely help to remove anything that you mindlessly use/eat. For us it was the bottle of Sriracha, we just use it on everything, I could find it in my sleep and caught myself several times about to put it on what I was eating. Hiding it broke the cycle.

YES! to this! A good strong breakfast, bacon and eggs, will do that. I'm stunned when I can go past lunch without getting hungry, and I've made it all the way to dinner without getting "hangry".

And BTW: When you start eating right, timing becomes important. You can't sluff off meals and just be OK with it, you start getting hungry/angry, or "hangry". DW and I have had several very close calls about that.

Once, we attended a funeral for a beloved relative. All the services had come to an end and we gathered at "the house" to just be a family together. Everyone started breaking out the lasagna (industrial sizes from shopping clubs), bread, cookies, cakes and pastries. DW and I were already hungry (it was WAY past lunchtime at this point and most of the way to dinner) and were getting impatient.

Independently, but in total lock step, we collected our stuff, started hugging people and heading for the door. Everyone followed us to the stoop to continue the discussion (which is a wonderful, beautiful thing called "The Carolina Goodbye") but this was one time we just couldn't.

We smiled, waved and kept talking as we ran to the car. At the doors, we called out our goodbyes, got in the car, cranked it up and mashed the gas, hard.

3 miles down the road, we found a good steakhouse/meat restaurant. RUNNING to the bar so we could sit down without delay, we ordered immediately and told the barkeep "extra tip for speed". I had a rack of ribs, DW had a 1/2 lb ribeye, hold the potatoes.

There was nothing mustachian about the price of that meal and the tip. We're not talking about Ruth's Chris, but it was a lot of money to us. And we gladly, gladly paid it.

The satisfaction of that meal is difficult to put into words. People, I got to tell you - when you eat right and don't snack, when you finally sit down to a meal and it's good and substantial and satisfying, the experience is nothing at all like snacking on crap. The parallels to the MMM/frugal/stoic life (specifically hedonistic adaptation) directly correlate between diet and finances.

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So, big news guys! Hubs isn't snoring anymore! Between his snoring and my super, super light sleeping and general horrible sleeping habits, we don't share a bedroom. I have been sleeping more consistently (lifelong insomniac) and if diet is the major factor in his snoring, we might, just might be able to actually share a bedroom and that would be pretty darn awesome.

Has anyone else noticed a decrease in snoring?
All-knowing google points that it might be a dairy thing - but wondering if anyone has noticed a difference?

YES YES YES. When I went keto and lost weight, snoring started going away almost immediately. DW went keto with me, lost a lot of weight but didn't realize she had stopped snoring. We always joked at my house that we had "fat heads", but we didn't realize it was literally true! Also: falling asleep improved dramatically, and happened quite by surprise.

I had a whole list of more than a dozen chronic ailments that went away after being Keto for about 7 months and losing 80 lbs.

(and BTW: "Keto" is a kind of a "sibling diet" to Whole30. I practice it as a lifestyle. )
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 06, 2015, 07:21:04 AM

Has anyone else noticed a decrease in snoring?
All-knowing google points that it might be a dairy thing - but wondering if anyone has noticed a difference?

YES! My dad! He has snored (actually has sleep apnea) horribly all my life, in fact so bad that on family trips I would often have to leave the hotel room and go sleep in the car.  Well, this weekend my mom was telling me that one night he fell asleep in the recliner, and she woke up 4 times during the night and would get worried because she couldn't hear him snoring. She would sneak out to the living room just to make sure he was still breathing! With his apnea, there were MANY times he would stop breathing for a few seconds, but he refuses to wear the mask thing.

Swick - That is AWESOME if you can actually share a room again!  That's a great victory

1967mama - Welcome on board!  As you maybe read, some of us are done or close to it, but many of us are still going. Are you going to officially start over after your slip?  It happened to me on day 2 (my first round) also. Mindless eating is soooo easy to do. I've come a long way, and so will you.

Mefla - I tried to research Keto eating a little, and was a little confused by what you can/cannot eat.  What are the biggest differences in your opinion?  Looks like some or all dairy (saw cheese) is permitted, right? Of course trace sugar.

Liz - Hope you're going strong!  You are getting so close.  It only gets easier and easier.  :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: jat9449 on October 06, 2015, 08:42:57 AM
I COMPLETELY understand being "hangry". Yesterday I thought the hubs was going to roast a chicken for me so it would be ready when I got home from work (after riding my bike, of course -- he stays home with the kids). Got home, hungry as could be and the chicken is still sitting on the counter. I thought about ripping my shirt off and attacking him, like the angry Hulk I am. Instead I stomped around while the chicken and veggies cooked stuffing whatever I could find into my mouth (hard-boiled egg, olives, etc.). It didn't help that I had two hangry toddlers fussing around as well.

HOWEVER, other than the occasional hangriness, the biggest, most AMAZING transformation I have noticed with myself is my ability to parent my two kids without blowing up all the time (internally). I feel like before I was on this constant up-down, up-down roller coaster of sugar/emotions and now I'm on a steady smooth path with a few occasional hills. That, in and of itself, is causing me to rethink my diet/life for good. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 06, 2015, 10:58:01 AM
Mefla - I tried to research Keto eating a little, and was a little confused by what you can/cannot eat.  What are the biggest differences in your opinion?  Looks like some or all dairy (saw cheese) is permitted, right? Of course trace sugar.

Hey mom22!

Keto omits foods with high carb content: wheat, oats, dried fruit, bread, pasta, rice, beans, carrots, corn and corn products, anything with the popular sugars and expressly HFCS. This wipes out the vast majority of restaurant foods and fast foods. Nearly all dairy is permitted - probably cheesecakes prepared with sugar are disallowed.

One of the hardest things for most people about living keto is that it discourages fruits: bananas, oranges, apples, peaches, pears, plums and grapes. I say "discourages" because while you don't eat these foods routinely, you can do apples, oranges or pineapple maybe once a week to get vitamin C, fiber and other good stuff.

May I do a little infomercial?

The Ketogenic Diet is old - it was developed in the early 1920's and remains an effective treatment for epileptics who do not respond to drugs:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

An important book on the topic is "Why We Get Fat (And What To Do About It) by Gary Taubes:
http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259/

A good contemporary resource for Keto discussion is the reddit keto forums:
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto

ruled.me is my go-to for recipes: http://www.ruled.me/keto-recipes/
Faves are:
http://www.ruled.me/jalapeno-popper-egg-cups/
http://www.ruled.me/bacon-red-pepper-and-mozzarella-frittata/
and the most glorious pizza you've ever wrapped your mouth around:
http://www.ruled.me/low-carb-pepperoni-pizza/

On Keto, if you are susceptible to gallstones, you'll probably develop them. I did, but gallstones run in my family. I am treating them and it's working, slowly. I will probably do a gallbladder flush at some point but I don't plan to go off Keto.

Water is vitally, vitally important. If you cut back on it, you can suffer badly and reap none of the benefits. More importantly, tea and soft drinks do not substitute for water. So you've really got to be careful. I add packets of dried lime essence and I love it.

If I ever decided I wanted to stop  doing Keto, I'd likely cycle onto Paleo or Whole30.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 06, 2015, 11:00:34 AM
I COMPLETELY understand being "hangry".....

HOWEVER, other than the occasional hangriness, the biggest, most AMAZING transformation I have noticed with myself is my ability to parent my two kids without blowing up all the time (internally). I feel like before I was on this constant up-down, up-down roller coaster of sugar/emotions and now I'm on a steady smooth path with a few occasional hills. That, in and of itself, is causing me to rethink my diet/life for good.

YES YES YES. Eating Keto has given a kind of stability to my emotions and helped me be more professional at work. Hell, I thought I needed counseling for a long time (may people would probably say that... :-) ) but when I went Keto, my emotions leveled out and I was able to think critically about things that would just put me "on tilt".
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 06, 2015, 03:17:03 PM
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the warm welcomes!

I ate ONE chip, darn it! It was day 2, so yes, I'm back on day 1. Just wondering, Swick, if you might be willing to change the subject to just Whole30 and then people could keep posting no matter where they are? There is some real gems of information in here for a newbie like myself, and it would be neat if it could stay on top instead of being buried. 

A few questions/thoughts:

1) I have a fancy party thing later this week with my husband's work and had to preorder food, and I ordered the a veg option that comes wrapped in pastry. The order was made a week ago, pre Whole30. Any suggestions? I can't change the order now.

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2) I am suffering with ... ah .. erm ... diarrhea today  --- ugh! I just read that this is normal. Anyone else experience this? Its quite unnerving!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 06, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Oh, exploding sphincters happen. In fact, it's also happening to me today so I can definitely say that you're in fantastic company :) Some digestive systems get angry at radical changes. You'll be okay, and it will stop. Be comforted.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 06, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
1967mama - good thought I changed the name and added an edit to my first post :)

As far as the work thing - eating out is tough - I basically rearranged our social calendar to make it work and only went to my parents house because I knew I had their full support. 

The problem with the veggie pastry is the veggies might be cooked in butter, there could be cheese in there as well - Personally, I would eat a good meal before going and break it up on my plate and make it look eaten - maybe spirit a few bits away in a napkin to make it look eaten and  see if I could get away with it ;)

Or, depending on how you are feeling, you might have a legit reason to take a "sick" pass. ...sorry I'm an introvert, I'm always looking for ways to get out of social obligations. It might not be useful advice :)

The digestive issues are no fun, but I think everyone goes through them. Overnight I went from  fully happy like clock-work to running to the bathroom, and it lasted a few days. You'll get through it!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on October 06, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
When you say Yams, do you mean the yellow fleshed ones? We can't get them here, we can only get the orange ones which are called both "yam" and "sweet potato" They are, as their name implies so sweet that they are almost awkward to eat in savory dishes...but make an awesome base for a bbq sauce!

I prefer the yellow or whitish ones, but this week I found the orange ones on sale and used them instead. It still came out fine. An alternate that I have done is chunks of beef or pork roast and roasted squash, with the same method of cooking too much and freezing it as a base for salad and avocado.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 06, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
mom22boys -- Thank you!:):):) I am enjoying reading about your after W30 experience so far!

Any recommendations for treating a cold the W30 way? This is what I have so far: homemade chicken soup {unfortunately I cannot drink a lot of bone broth b/c too much gelatin makes me really itchy}, compliant tea {Gypsy Cold Care tea}, lots of water with teaspoons of ACV, and ACV in my vaporizer. I'm taking Tylenol for the sinus pressure but I do NOT want to take cold medicine or antibiotics!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 06, 2015, 08:50:22 PM
mom22boys -- Thank you!:):):) I am enjoying reading about your after W30 experience so far!

Any recommendations for treating a cold the W30 way? This is what I have so far: homemade chicken soup {unfortunately I cannot drink a lot of bone broth b/c too much gelatin makes me really itchy}, compliant tea {Gypsy Cold Care tea}, lots of water with teaspoons of ACV, and ACV in my vaporizer. I'm taking Tylenol for the sinus pressure but I do NOT want to take cold medicine or antibiotics!

Aromatherapy is a great option because you don't have to ingest anything! This is a  pretty good super basic overview: http://amazingwellnessmag.com/aromatherapy-for-colds/ (http://amazingwellnessmag.com/aromatherapy-for-colds/)- Although some oil of oregano (make sure you get the stuff that is already mixed with olive oil and not the straight up essential oil) works wonders. Tastes horrible and you'll have oregano breath for hours but works. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 07, 2015, 12:08:03 AM
Thanks for the help, folks! Yes! Awesome group! I love the name change!

For the dinner, I loved the idea of pushing everything on my plate around with a fork and putting some in a napkin. Brilliant! ... I actually LOL'd!

For the tummy troubles, things settled down about an hour after I posted. I did go and read up on the Whole30 blog and assume it to be a result of what I was eating before I actually started. This was great: http://whole30.com/2013/08/revised-timeline/

My 2nd day 1 is under my belt! haha! Onward!

ETA: link
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 07, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
... I actually LOL'd!

For the tummy troubles, things settled down about an hour after I posted. I did go and read up on the Whole30 blog and assume it to be a result of what I was eating before I actually started. This was great: http://whole30.com/2013/08/revised-timeline/

My 2nd day 1 is under my belt! haha! Onward!

ETA: link

:) I should have thought to post the link to the revised timeline, Thank you!

I found it very,  very helpful to look it up when something weird has going on, then you look it up and then it's like yup that's spot on. We were off by a couple of days. I felt super crappy the first week, hubs was fine. His second and third weeks were more of a struggle for him.  But everytime he took a super dip, I'd go back the timeline show him and say "it's temporary!"

This morning hubs said he never thought we would get through it, nor so relatively easily - especially with things we love  so much, like cheese! We both agreed that being without it so long the desire is not there to really bring it back - This is huge!

Although he had to physically steer me away from the cheese isle where, right by the front door our local Italian market was sampling a huge wheel of Parm that they had just got in from Italy. That was the only real temptation, the only thing better than high-quality cheese is free high-quality cheese!

So for re-intro, we are going to go very slow and methodical. 2-3 days (depending on Hubby's work) of trying out a food group - basically the weekends - and then back to whole 30 during the week. We figure this will give us enough time to properly expose ourselves (some things like dairy should have pretty quick side-effects, others can take a bit longer) and give our bodies a chance to "reset" or return to a whole 30 baseline before we try the next thing.

So, roughly we are looking at:
week1: - Milk (unfermented dairy)
week2: - Fermented dairy (Yougurt, Kefir)
week3: - Cheese (casin can apparently cause issues)
week4: - legumes
week5 - Fermented soy - (soy sauce, miso)
week6: - Non-gluten grains
week7: - gluten grains

We might break down the legumes, grains and glutens even further - in the name of science and as a way of eating whole 30 longer :)
 
oh, hey...it's day 30! I kinda lost track of time this past week.  :D

How is everyone doing? How are the people who are on the whole 30 - What are your breakthroughs? Challenges? Successes?
How is the re-intro going for people who have finished - have you discovered anything? gotten any insights?


Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on October 07, 2015, 08:22:56 AM
Today is Day 29 for my household.

Anybody have totals for grocery spending on Whole30?

Disclaimer: My numbers aren't entirely 100% accurate because we used some meat we had before starting, but we also stocked up on some things that we haven't had to in a while (oils and spices mostly) and last night's shopping trip also included planning for a week-long trip that we're leaving for Friday morning.  Overall I'd say it's probably very slightly more than we would have spent with no past items used or future items bought.

Household of two adults:

Vegetables: $124.52
Fruit: $71.83
Meat/eggs: $206.87
"Other": $239.69

Total: $642.91
Average per person per meal: $3.57

Other includes things like $40 of coconut oil and olive oil from Costco, about $25 in spices that needed replenishing, condiments like hot sauce and coconut aminos, lots and lots of canned coconut milk (mmm... curry), and other non-produce, non-meat things.

About 25% of the produce we bought was organic, and about 80% of the meat/eggs were straight-from-the-farm.

I'm convinced we could maintain the Whole30 way of eating for an average of $500/month ($250/person) going forward. 

This was the sum of a total of TWENTY-TWO grocery receipts.  3 trips to Jewel-Osco, 1 trip to Whole Foods, 4 trips to Costco, 3 to Aldi, 8 to Meijer, and 2 to Walmart.  Plus one to the farm for our meat/eggs pickup.  Yikes.  Some of that isn't quite fair, as I'd hit Jewel and Aldi sometimes in the same trip or Costco and Whole Foods, but still.  Way too many trips to the grocery store.  I think we'll try to get it down to 2x/week going forward. 

To our credit, at least the only thing that we threw out all month was a bad cantaloupe!  No food waste here.  I accidentally dropped a chicken breast on the floor at one point, but our raw-fed Australian Shepherds took care of that immediately.

We also ate out a whopping zero times, even with some travel, which certainly helps in the not-feeling-like-crap and not-exploding-volcano-of-wastefulness departments.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 07, 2015, 11:41:12 AM
1967mama - That approach is kinda what I did when I had to travel for work. I had a banana and almonds tucked into my purse (should have brought protein too) and ate that instead. Luckily my lunch was informal and no one even noticed I didn't take a lunch box. Repositioning/Sneaking food into your napkin is a great idea! You will be shocked how people don't pay attention to what you're eating.

Mefla - Thank you for the info on Keto! That was really helpful, and yes, I had read about it being used for epilepsy. Very interesting. Going without fruit (or at least very limited) would be pretty tough for me. But, it's something I should consider if I don't have problems with adding back some dairy after the Whole30.

Ketchup - I didn't track my budget nearly as close as you, but I ended up spending about $380.  But, I have a lot of caveats with that. :-)  I have a lot of meat in the freezer that I used, some pastured and others not. But, some of the meat I did buy for the month was also in bulk, so I have replenished some in my freezer for this month. Also, this is for me and my 2 boys. They aren't doing the Whole30, other than me cutting out their sugar completely at home, and eating the same meals as me when we eat at home. I haven't tried to do Whole30 with their cold lunches I send to school. That would be tough, and I'm not up to that challenge....yet. :-) Also, we did NO spending on restaurants either, except for my work trip, which was free to me. :-)

Swick - I think I'm going to start my reintro this Sat/Sun with legumes.  I'm going to do 2 days eating, then back to Whole30 for the 5 days, similar to your plan. I hadn't thought about doing the reintro more granular, but that's something I think I need to consider.

The things I'm missing is butter, cheese, rice, and popcorn. Of course, my sugar craving rears it's head a little but I'm definitely not at a point of being able to only eat a bite or two. I think that might honestly take me 6+ months.  So, I'm gonna keep on with only trace sugar, nothing more.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 07, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
The things I'm missing is butter, cheese, rice, and popcorn. Of course, my sugar craving rears it's head a little but I'm definitely not at a point of being able to only eat a bite or two. I think that might honestly take me 6+ months.  So, I'm gonna keep on with only trace sugar, nothing more.

Help me here, I'm showing my ignorance about Whole30: are butter and cheese prohibited? I eat the CRAP out butter. I have four little Land 0 Lakes peel-open tubs right now at my workdesk. I put butter on almost anything that's heated. Goes GREAT like a "sauce" on beef, pork or chicken. Never, ever margarine or individually wrapped "Kraft Slices". I use real butter and real cheese. In fact, I have to be careful how much cheese or I get into a constipation situation.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 07, 2015, 02:26:29 PM
The things I'm missing is butter, cheese, rice, and popcorn. Of course, my sugar craving rears it's head a little but I'm definitely not at a point of being able to only eat a bite or two. I think that might honestly take me 6+ months.  So, I'm gonna keep on with only trace sugar, nothing more.

Help me here, I'm showing my ignorance about Whole30: are butter and cheese prohibited? I eat the CRAP out butter. I have four little Land 0 Lakes peel-open tubs right now at my workdesk. I put butter on almost anything that's heated. Goes GREAT like a "sauce" on beef, pork or chicken. Never, ever margarine or individually wrapped "Kraft Slices". I use real butter and real cheese. In fact, I have to be careful how much cheese or I get into a constipation situation.

All dairy is out for the whole 30. Lactose is a problem for many, so is the casin in cheese. Dairy can exacerbate allergies, breathing issues, sleeping issues, digestive issues...depends on the person. So the whole point of the whole 30 is to cut it all out for 30 days and slowly reintroduce in a systematic way so you can see how those things specifically affect you.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 07, 2015, 02:39:20 PM
All dairy is out for the whole 30. Lactose is a problem for many, so is the casin in cheese. Dairy can exacerbate allergies, breathing issues, sleeping issues, digestive issues...depends on the person. So the whole point of the whole 30 is to cut it all out for 30 days and slowly reintroduce in a systematic way so you can see how those things specifically affect you.

Cool, cool. You make me wish I'd come to keto from Whole30, but Whole30 didn't exist then. What I didn't mention was that once I went keto, my lactose intolerance became a very severe problem - the carbs were, apparently, masking it somehow.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 07, 2015, 03:40:19 PM
Ok, now I'm mixed up! haha!

I thought butter was ok when served this way:

Do not eat dairy. This includes cow, goat or sheep’s milk products such as cream, cheese (hard or soft), kefir, yogurt (even Greek), and sour cream… with the exception of clarified butter or ghee. (See below for details.) - See more at: http://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/#sthash.l90z1tjE.dpuf

I made my own clarified butter = easy
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 07, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
All dairy is out for the whole 30. Lactose is a problem for many, so is the casin in cheese. Dairy can exacerbate allergies, breathing issues, sleeping issues, digestive issues...depends on the person. So the whole point of the whole 30 is to cut it all out for 30 days and slowly reintroduce in a systematic way so you can see how those things specifically affect you.

Cool, cool. You make me wish I'd come to keto from Whole30, but Whole30 didn't exist then. What I didn't mention was that once I went keto, my lactose intolerance became a very severe problem - the carbs were, apparently, masking it somehow.

if your lactose intolerance became severe, how do you do with butter and cheese?

Ok, now I'm mixed up! haha!

I thought butter was ok when served this way:

Do not eat dairy. This includes cow, goat or sheep’s milk products such as cream, cheese (hard or soft), kefir, yogurt (even Greek), and sour cream… with the exception of clarified butter or ghee. (See below for details.) - See more at: http://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/#sthash.l90z1tjE.dpuf

I made my own clarified butter = easy

Sorry to confuse you, 1967 mama - mefla is usually talking about Ketogenics which is a next step for some people - which, if I understand his gospel is switching from burning mostly carbohydrates to burning fat.  Whole 30 ISNT Keto - but they are both low carb and there is a lot of similar issues when you are making the switch.

Clarified butter and Ghee are GREAT on whole 30. It is the milk solids in butter that contain the lactose and other bits you don't want to have while on whole 30.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 07, 2015, 04:42:09 PM
All dairy is out for the whole 30. Lactose is a problem for many, so is the casin in cheese. Dairy can exacerbate allergies, breathing issues, sleeping issues, digestive issues...depends on the person. So the whole point of the whole 30 is to cut it all out for 30 days and slowly reintroduce in a systematic way so you can see how those things specifically affect you.

Cool, cool. You make me wish I'd come to keto from Whole30, but Whole30 didn't exist then. What I didn't mention was that once I went keto, my lactose intolerance became a very severe problem - the carbs were, apparently, masking it somehow.

if your lactose intolerance became severe, how do you do with butter and cheese?

Some Things:
1) I take probiotics regularly, with a lactose-specific probiotic added. It has improved my problems to the point that I can have butter and SOME cheeses. Not all.
2) The cheeses I can have are typically hard cheeses or cheeses aged so long that the lactose has all been consumed. Cheddar and Brie give me little-to-no trouble, especially when eaten with other foods.
3) I rarely have trouble with cooked cheeses or cheese as an ingredient in a cooked dish. Quiche is a good example. I make a very-low-carb pizza that gives me little to no trouble.

The intolerance has improved with CERTAIN dairy products, but I have to be careful when I taste test something else to see how I do with it. I have made myself pretty sick having things that had more lactose than I thought. I can get pretty sick even from craft ales called "milk stouts", which are purposefully sweetened with lactose.  There are some low-carb foods sweetened with lactose that'll really make me sick too.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 07, 2015, 04:51:39 PM
Chiming into to add that butter is often okay with both lactose intolerant, and those allergic to casein. Dairy products are made from 3 molecules, the protein (casein), the sugar (lactose), and the fat (fat). Regular butter contains fat, and trace protein. Clarified butter and ghee are pure milk fat. Which is why I can eat it without an allergic reaction. Probably why they are allowed on the whole30.

The cheese tho! IDK how you do it mefla. Obviously you've got they system tuned, but I reached a point of pain where the hurt of eating dairy was higher than the hurt from giving it up. I vomited on my wife's shoes, and that was the end of mammal juice for me.

I have found that many people assume that I can eat goat's milk and cheese. I find it baffling. Where did this concept come from?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 07, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
***COOKING TIP***

I totally forgot to mention this, but arrowroot powder is an awesome thickener and I have been using it to thicken stir fry sauces, gravies, fruit sauces, soups....Handy where you would usually use cornstarch or flour. Might be handy as Thanksgiving is coming up (sooner for us Canucks)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 07, 2015, 05:42:42 PM
^ Bought some arrowroot powder the other day for thickening sauces!

Interesting talk about different types of dairies ... I have no interest in introducing milk when I'm finished, but butter and full fat yogurt, yes. Cheese is a maybe.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 07, 2015, 09:26:59 PM
Chiming into to add that butter is often okay with both lactose intolerant, and those allergic to casein. Dairy products are made from 3 molecules, the protein (casein), the sugar (lactose), and the fat (fat). Regular butter contains fat, and trace protein. Clarified butter and ghee are pure milk fat. Which is why I can eat it without an allergic reaction. Probably why they are allowed on the whole30.

The cheese tho! IDK how you do it mefla. Obviously you've got they system tuned, but I reached a point of pain where the hurt of eating dairy was higher than the hurt from giving it up. I vomited on my wife's shoes, and that was the end of mammal juice for me.

I have found that many people assume that I can eat goat's milk and cheese. I find it baffling. Where did this concept come from?

Sailor Sam, I'm much more like you than different. No puking, but my experiments are few and far between these days and I limit even the things I know i can have.  I'm a big fan of almond milk. And YES, I get the same comments about goat's milk and cheese, which I avoid. It's almost like people think I'm trying to be some damned drama queen or something.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 07, 2015, 11:15:06 PM
Thanks for the clarification on clarifying my butter <wink>....it tasted soooo decadent on my baked potato with sea salt and fresh ground pepper tonite (along with several slices of roast beef  -- but waaahh, my horseradish had sulfites so it was a no go). I'm so happy that we already buy wonderful grass-fed, pastured, hormone/antibiotic free beef (2 sides arriving end of October) and 50 chickens fed organic feed and running freely (also hormone/antibiotic free) every summer.

Day 2 went great! I had a tremendously busy and stressful day and tonight I said to my daughter (23, doing W30 with me!) that I handled the day well and couldn't imagine how it would have gone had I been eating crappity crap crap all day long??!!!!

Day 3 is this big party thing that I mentioned upthread. Not sure how it will go. Will report back!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 08, 2015, 07:23:30 AM
***COOKING TIP***

I totally forgot to mention this, but arrowroot powder is an awesome thickener and I have been using it to thicken stir fry sauces, gravies, fruit sauces, soups....Handy where you would usually use cornstarch or flour. Might be handy as Thanksgiving is coming up (sooner for us Canucks)

Excellent tip!  I've been trying to figure out what to use for a thickener, and now I know! 

CONGRATS to SWICK and HUBBY for completing their Whole30!  Ketchup and GF are close behind with another win!

Ok, another question for everyone.  Exercise??  What are you doing or not doing? Honestly, I've done very little exercise since the beginning of September.  I've taken a few walks and bike rides (yes, I'm very non-MMM when it comes to biking to work, it's too far). I wanted to focus more on my eating and then start to integrate exercise back in. I'm finding it hard though to get back into the rhythm....something I need to work on.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: ketchup on October 08, 2015, 08:21:46 AM
I try to walk at least a mile or two during my lunch break every day.  My girlfriend bikes a few miles with the dogs most days.  We've done bicycle sprints together 1-2x/week, and I've been lifting 3x/week.  The bicycle sprints are the only thing recently new to us.

Arrowroot powder is excellent!  We also use it as part of a homemade deodorant.

Last night I did a mass-cooking to freeze meals for our upcoming trip.  Buffalo ranch pork meatballs, an oversized meatloaf, Thai chicken wrap building supplies, cauliflower mash, and curried ground pork.  This will be supplemented on the trip by coconut milk smoothies, fresh fruit, nuts, Larabars, deviled eggs, and grass-fed beef sticks.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: jat9449 on October 08, 2015, 08:54:51 AM
On exercise - before the whole 30 I wasn't a big exerciser. I ride my bike to work (but it's only 1 mile one way - so I get in 4 miles each day). And I would go with the family for walks in the evenings. But now I'm king of obsessed with exercising. I think it's because I have this new found energy and I need somewhere to burn it. I've started trying out some workouts from toneitup. Just wish I could get the hubs on board so I would have a workout buddy.

I also discovered that I ate an entire jar of sunflower seed butter in about 2 1/2 weeks. Is that crazy? I NEVER would have eaten an entire jar of peanut butter in that amount of time, but I love that stuff.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 08, 2015, 09:18:03 AM

CONGRATS to SWICK and HUBBY for completing their Whole30!  Ketchup and GF are close behind with another win!

Ok, another question for everyone.  Exercise??  What are you doing or not doing? Honestly, I've done very little exercise since the beginning of September.  I've taken a few walks and bike rides (yes, I'm very non-MMM when it comes to biking to work, it's too far). I wanted to focus more on my eating and then start to integrate exercise back in. I'm finding it hard though to get back into the rhythm....something I need to work on.

Thanks Mom22boys!! :D

I made an awesome celebratory dinner last night, wasn't really planned, just when the duck happen to be thawed. But...revelation! I stuffed the duck with apples and prunes (the Danish way) and then I stuffed it in the crockpot! I didn't really have any expectations, other then it is really hard to get a perfectly cooked duck with most of the fat rendered, with moist meat and crispy skin and I was feeling lazy. Guess what!?! That is exactly what I got!

I crock potted the duck on low for 8 or so hours, all the lovely fat melted and sort of confit'd the duck while it cooked, then I popped it out and stuck it under the broiler to crisp the skin. It was seriously the best duck we have ever had! I served it with some mashed rutabaga, roasted purple potatoes and some caper, green peppercorn gravy I made from the duck stock.

Also ended up with 1 1/3 cups of duck fat, plus the bones went back into the crockpot for stock :)

Other random results:

Weight - Didn't lose as much weight as I was hoping. 4 lbs according to the scale. Now, this number is slightly skewed because I lost 8 pounds very quickly right before starting because I was so sick and not eating much for a week or two - which definitely wasn't healthy weight loss, so I had some balancing to do. The bottom line is a do feel better and have more energy so I am using that as a measurement of success.

Relationships - This one was kind of unexpected as hubs and I have always been very in-sync but we feel closer to each other than we ever have (didn't know it was possible) Having the shared journey, shared goals, struggles and successes, deep conversations about things you normally wouldn't think to talk about or wouldn't come up in everyday conversations - it seems like it has been a relationship reset as much as a food one.

We are both not tired and exhausted and going through the motions as we have been.  We have both been lighter and happier and just having more fun. Definitely more glimpses of hubby's childlike enthusiasm and joy for everything that is awesome in life coming through. I have missed it!

Hubs has more energy and clarity so he is coming home from work (despite it totally sucking right now and having to put in a lot of OT) with excitement and ready to dive into hobbies and projects he hasn't had the energy for - which makes him happier and more energized. It is a GOOD cycle to be in!

Boundaries - This is a bit of a strange one, but it has given me practice with setting and sticking to boundaries, and letting people know what they are. I have historically been not very good at this. Also - making self-care a priority. My working relationship with my clients was starting to get away from me and I found myself slipping back into the horrible space of feeling like I was on call 24-7 since I work from home and get emails all day long. Yesterday, I sent an email to my clients with very firm boundaries about when I will respond to emails and work requests. Now I have carved out specific time in my day to make healthy meals, and get some excercise in, It feels AWESOME!!

Budget - We spent about $580.00 for two people. Our usual budget is $400.00 This includes $100.00 for our Local organic fruit and Veg CSA and $100.00 for an 18 lb Turkey (which I broke down and 1/2 is in the freezer) and 3 dozen local organic duck eggs and 2 Dozen Chicken eggs. We ate some meat from the freezer and put some in the freezer, so I think that pretty much evens out.

We did have to buy some staples - Coconut aminos, Hubs loose leaf tea, coconut oil, coconut flakes, olive oil.
We were also pretty fast and loose with buying fancy stuff like prosciutto (but we did hunt around for the cheapest place) and splurged on some game meat sausages and pepperoni that were compliant. Also, nuts dammit they are expensive! We'll probably look at doing a cross border shop when we need to stock up again.

We did save the 22.00 or so we would have spent on buying a jug of milk each week. And we didn't go out to eat so had some entertainment savings for sure. Ohh and we'll save some money on Christmas gifts! I have a bunch of food items that we are not going to eat now that I can turn into Christmas presents - Make my own spiced bean dip packages and things like that :)


Momm22Boys - to answer your question about exercise - I have been doing very little. Some walks, exploring some trails in our community, not much more than that. Another reason I'm not stressed about the lack of movement on the scale. Since getting sick and starting whole 30 and feeling crappy on that, I haven't been good about making the time - or really having any inclination and energy to exercise. Now that I have my eating habits dialed in, and am feeling more energy, incorporating regular exercise is our next step.

1967mama, So awesome you are doing it with your daughter! Good luck on your dinner tonight! You make me want to clarify some butter! We bought some Ghee beginning of September, but neither of us were really keen on the taste. Hubs said it tasted like old oil.

I have been saving the fat from everything I have been cooking and using that. When you save the fat, make stock from the bones and have the meat, it makes it a little easier on the pocketbook when you are not use to buying so much meat:)

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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 08, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Thanks for the clarification on clarifying my butter <wink>

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I see what you did there!
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Post by: swick on October 08, 2015, 04:21:07 PM
Mom22boys - how are your parents doing on their whole 30? Spending Thanksgiving with my parents and I would love to have them try it ou.t Any experiences or results or anything you could share would be awesome! My mom is in, my dad would need some convincing :)
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Post by: Liz on October 08, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
swick - Your duck sounds AMAZING. I am sitting here drooling on my keyboard:) And congratulations on all of your success, both on the scale and off. 4 lbs is nothing to sneeze at -- that is a pound a week! And the relationship + boundaries victories are huge! You should be proud of yourself!!!
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Post by: swick on October 08, 2015, 10:12:18 PM
swick - Your duck sounds AMAZING. I am sitting here drooling on my keyboard:) And congratulations on all of your success, both on the scale and off. 4 lbs is nothing to sneeze at -- that is a pound a week! And the relationship + boundaries victories are huge! You should be proud of yourself!!!

Thank you Liz! :) I'm pretty excited so see all these changes and see how things continue to change! Getting healthy is a grand experiment and journey so glad you are all sharing it with me!
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Post by: 1967mama on October 09, 2015, 02:03:46 AM
Well, back to Day 1 again :-/

It was basically impossible to fake anybody out with my dinner at the party I was at tonight. Everyone else at the table had ordered meat (which I didn't since I don't like how rare they prepare it) and everyone was fascinated by my vegetarian dinner and were all asking me questions about how it tasted and such.

Lesson learned. I don't feel like its a total loss because I have really done 4 days of great eating, other than 1 taco chip and tonight's disaster of a dinner. I ate the dessert too and it tasted VERY sweet, so even though I've only been off sugar 3 days, I really noticed a difference.

This afternoon, I forgot the lunch I packed so I went to a grocery store and bought prosciutto (all natural, no nitrates), a fruit tray, a veggie tray and a pack of Wholly Guacamole. I sat and drank herbal tea and ate my snacks in my hotel room in the afternoon and had lots for my hubby too. It was delicious.

I'm getting better and better at understanding the plan, and it feels like its getting easier despite the 2 setbacks.

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Post by: Liz on October 09, 2015, 09:43:31 AM
1967mama ~ It sounds like with each setback, you are learning something new and that is SO important! I think I mentioned this before, but I've attempted MANY whole30's for a couple of days and then quit for one reason or another. It just wasn't the right time for whatever reason. But please don't let anyone bother you about your way of eating! To me, that is the weirdest thing -- I would think that with gluten free, etc. being so popular now, people would be more understanding about different ways of eating. Maybe I am just being naive. I'm sorry you went through that though, that sounds so annoying.

My kayaking trip was rescheduled for this weekend, so I get to put in place the great tips y'all gave me.:) Will report back on how it goes! mom22boys, I think you mentioned exercise upthread? I actually haven't done any exercise so far besides some small walks and this will be my first time really doing something active since starting. I'm curious to see how it will go.
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Post by: mom22boys on October 09, 2015, 11:19:40 AM
Mom22boys - how are your parents doing on their whole 30? Spending Thanksgiving with my parents and I would love to have them try it ou.t Any experiences or results or anything you could share would be awesome! My mom is in, my dad would need some convincing :)

Well, it's been good and bad. Today is their day 30. My dad cheated twice.  Once was beyond his control.  He had a colonoscopy around day 21, and they required he drink a Gatorade.  Then on Tuesday of this week he didn't feel well, and ate a mint. He was sitting in his car waiting for my sister at Walmart.   Uggg!  DAD! Go inside and BUY some fruit!!!  He has always said that won't continue with this eating.  In fact, I bet that tomorrow he will be at Burger King eating a whopper.  He has been a yo-yo dieter/eater all his life, and I think this was just too much for him.

My mom has made it the full 30 days without cheating, assuming she doesn't cheat today.  I was really hoping this would help with her high blood pressure, and it does seem to have helped. But, she has been super tired and had a headache almost every day.  The headaches weren't terrible, but just enough to make her not feel great.  I'm honestly not sure if she'll do the reintro or not. I asked her this morning, and she didn't say.

I really feel like my parents should go another 30 days, and then may really see changes and feel better.  I doubt they will listen to me though.  LOL  But, at least they now understand my eating, and are much more supportive.

EDIT:  And my parents were the same as yours.  My mom was all in, but my dad had to be drug along. He only agreed to do it because he had plateaued on his weight loss and wanted to loss more.  It was never understanding his body and food, but all about his weight.
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Post by: mom22boys on October 09, 2015, 12:10:04 PM
I'm getting better and better at understanding the plan, and it feels like its getting easier despite the 2 setbacks.

Just like Liz said.....THIS is what matters!  You are doing awesome, and I'm sure you'll get through the full 30 soon!

Ketchup and GF....I think it's celebration day today!  Are you doing to do the reintro, keep going? 
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Post by: swick on October 09, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Way to go! ketchup and GF!!!!

Thanks for sharing, Mom22boys. I think with my dad doesn't "see" a need because he is tall and thin and pretty active through work. I said there are a lot of body changes and things going on that you can't see and I think I will point out as he hates, hates going to the doctor, this would be a good thing to do to help make sure he doesn't have to. Except for a work related emergency injury or two I don't think he's been to the doctors in 20 or more years.

I hope all the best health for your parents and that they will see the benefits :)

1967mamma - Don't feel discouraged, you are learning a lot and that, more than anything else is why I think the whole 30 is awesome, it really causes you to examine and learn and get in tune with yourself. I know that "starting over" seems like a big deal,  but then many of us have decided to continue of=n some modified form after as well, so it's more of a "life style" change than a "challenge" after a while - so a restart or two along the way not a bad thing, especially if you learn from the experience.

Liz - Hope you have an often trip! Would love to hear how it goes!

So we introduced milk today - took a walk to a coffee shop and had a latte. It sure was tasty (and we weren't even tempted by all the awesome artisanal breads and baking!) but within 20 or so minutes we were both feeling like crap. Rumbly tummy, I can feel a tightening in my chest and my ears hurt.

We were about to say well that's it for the milk experiment, but then that was a very "Big" amount of milk, and it is worth seeing if small amounts in cooking and such have similar effects - so we bought a little carton of cream and will have it in small amounts tomorrow. - but we have pretty much established we have no desire to have it as a beverage, so I think that is something.

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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 09, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
This afternoon, I forgot the lunch I packed so I went to a grocery store and bought prosciutto (all natural, no nitrates), a fruit tray, a veggie tray and a pack of Wholly Guacamole. I sat and drank herbal tea and ate my snacks in my hotel room in the afternoon and had lots for my hubby too. It was delicious.

That's really fucking awesome 1967mama. You did great. 
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Post by: Faraday on October 09, 2015, 03:38:05 PM
This afternoon, I forgot the lunch I packed so I went to a grocery store and bought prosciutto (all natural, no nitrates), a fruit tray, a veggie tray and a pack of Wholly Guacamole. I sat and drank herbal tea and ate my snacks in my hotel room in the afternoon and had lots for my hubby too. It was delicious.

That's really fucking awesome 1967mama. You did great.

Did great? Did AWESOME! That  sounds amazing....
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Post by: Cranberries on October 09, 2015, 07:15:07 PM
Today was hard. It was a couple of people on my team's last day, so my boss brought us out to lunch. I managed to eat whole30 approved, but had to order much less food then I would normally eat in order to stay in the same price range as the others. And one of my coworkers brought cookies to the office so all afternoon my hungry self was trying not to notice the chocolate chip cookies that were calling to me.

Made it through though. Ceviche eaten off of the top of a tostada shell for lunch and no cookies=win.

Only 3 more days. My plan is to test out cheese for a day, wait a couple days, then binge eat blueberry pie for two days before I do another whole30. Perhaps not the most mature strategy, but it'll do for me.
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Post by: Faraday on October 09, 2015, 07:41:47 PM
Today was hard. It was a couple of people on my team's last day, so my boss brought us out to lunch. I managed to eat whole30 approved, but had to order much less food then I would normally eat in order to stay in the same price range as the others. And one of my coworkers brought cookies to the office so all afternoon my hungry self was trying not to notice the chocolate chip cookies that were calling to me.

Made it through though. Ceviche eaten off of the top of a tostada shell for lunch and no cookies=win.

Only 3 more days. My plan is to test out cheese for a day, wait a couple days, then binge eat blueberry pie for two days before I do another whole30. Perhaps not the most mature strategy, but it'll do for me.

You're kicking ass and doing great! I despise when people bring crapfood to work - you are kinda trapped and it's not easy to get away from, so you just have to will yourself through it. Good Job!

Good deal that you've set a reward day(s) for yourself when you reach 30. Can you do some exercise before/during/after to earn some calorie deficit before the pie?
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Post by: horsepoor on October 10, 2015, 12:48:54 AM
Replying to follow. 

Did this and had a thread on in in January.  Would love to do it again if I can get a month lined of free of work travel and house guests.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 10, 2015, 01:17:20 AM
Ok, I'm back and returning to Day 1 today. Did about 10 good days while on holiday but then one slip turned into an avalanche and I was back eating unhealthy again. I felt so great while I was doing it but the family social pressure got too much. Really felt like shit when I ate  badly and my seasonal allergies kicked in minutes after eating dairy. Feeling strong starting again -not gonna explain my diet to anyone, just gonna do it. Even went to a kids birthday party with a big spread of food and ate just a handful of grapes. Went shopping today and went crazy with new fruits and vegetables - blood oranges, lemonades and witloof on top of the usuals. I'm hoping I can entice the whole family into more healthy foods eventually.  Great to see you're all still going strong.
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Post by: Cranberries on October 10, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
Can you do some exercise before/during/after to earn some calorie deficit before the pie?

Nah. I'm losing weight fast enough for my tastes - maybe even a little faster then is ideal. Plus I get a lot of exercise from my work, so I am happy with where that stands. Thanks for the kind words though!
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Post by: 1967mama on October 10, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
Onto Day 2 (well, 6 days since I started, but 2 restarts) and its going well. Had 2 poached eggs over diced avocado and tomato. It is so unlike me to eat so well! haha

Was tempted by the scale, but refused to step on. But I am noticing my current clothes are not feeling as tight, so that's kinda cool. Also, last night as I was getting ready for bed, I could almost say that my face was looking thinner.

I love reading about everyone else's victories on here. So neat to see Botanist scraping civeche off a tostada, KiwiSonya trying out new fruits, mom22boys educating her parents about eating, etc.

Thanks to everyone for the great encouragement. It was so disappointing to knowingly go off the plan at the party, but I have clear sailing ahead.

Well, except for a weekend away with my husband. But he is 100% supportive of my efforts, and although he's not doing the entire Whole30 himself, when he's home, he is doing it right along side me.  If anyone has any suggestions for surviving a weekend in a hotel while on Whole30, I'd be grateful!

Have a great day of eating, everyone~!

Edit: typo
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 10, 2015, 01:28:21 PM
Hi '67, have you found the official Whole30 travel guide? It's one of their pdf's (http://whole30.com/downloads/whole30-travel.pdf).  Also, mom22boys did some work travel during her whole30, and she might be willing to share her tips.

mom22boys, if your mom decides to continue, or tries again, try suggesting she monitor sodium intake. Shifting to a whole30 style eating can radically drop folks sodium intake, and the change in electrolytes causes headaches. Even people with blood pressure problems have a sodium floor they shouldn't drop below. Though you should probably use a doctor's help to find that sweet spot, and not, you know, me.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 11, 2015, 12:24:32 AM
Thanks for the tip, SS! Checking out the link, forthwith!

Tonite I survived an evening of appies and desserts (butter tart squares and nanaimo bars) at my mom's house by bringing a honeydew melon and a pineapple -- we cut them up and made a fruit tray together. I'm so happy that I can do this! My mom is very understanding and I did tell her a bit about my Whole30 adventure tonight. She's battled her weight her whole life and is quite heavy.

I think I have my Thanksgiving dinner all planned out (Canada) and there are several dishes that I can eat, or will pull out a portion before I sauce things up for the rest of the fam. I will be eating lots of turkey, carrots, and sweet potato mash from the Whole30 website. I'm going to try and thicken the gravy with something on plan.

For dinner tonight, we bbq'd chicken thighs and I made a Whole30 compliant bbq sauce which was just excellent. It was sweetened with applesauce -- who woulda thunk it?! Sooooo good!

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Post by: 1967mama on October 11, 2015, 12:58:53 AM
Hi '67, have you found the official Whole30 travel guide? It's one of their pdf's (http://whole30.com/downloads/whole30-travel.pdf). 

So I've read this guide now, and there were some great suggestions there! Now, I have 2 questions:

1) Are we allowed deli meat? I assumed it all had nitrates in it and was therefore not plan compliant
2) Is an Rx bar like this? (https://shop.riteaid.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=rx%20bars)
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 11, 2015, 10:01:34 AM
1. I don't frequent the deli counter very often, but I think some brands are nitrate free. Applegate springs to mind. It's increasingly available in American supermarkets. If your destination is a city, 'd say stalk, hunt, then attack the fanciest grocery you can find. If its more remote, can you bring a cooler?

2. No no no, son! Those bars are not the drones you seek! The packaging doesn't have anywhere near enough of the smug hipster locavore clean food vibe the whole30 approved Rx bars have. They are here (http://www.rxbar.com/products/whole30-pack.html). I've never tried one because they cost ~$2.16/bar, and something about the pretention really puts my teeth on edge. I go for Lara Bars, which are still a whopping $1.40 'round about these parts. If you get Lara bars, check the ingredients because some have added sugar.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 11, 2015, 08:13:34 PM
Thanks for answering my questions, Sailor Sam! Much appreciated!

Today I made ketchup (https://notinmoderation.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/nailed-it-ryan-wilders-wicked-easy-paleo-ketchup/) that is Whole30 compliant  .. it was delicious on my fried potatoes and onions (in EVOO, of course). I had my hamburger on 2 pieces of lettuce and ate a delicious dinner like everyone else, except mine was healthy!

I couldn't help myself, and weighed in after 1 week on program (Day 3, but 2 restarts) and I'm down 4.8 lbs! I'm psyched! I know you're not supposed to but this is a drastic improvement from weighing myself a few times a day.

I had an interesting dilemma at church today when we took communion -- when the tray of bread was about 2 rows away from me, I had an "OH NO!" moment when I realized I would be willingly putting wheat in my mouth. Yes, I took the bread and continued on with my Whole30 plan. I''ve made a personal decision that this is not cause for a restart.

ETA link
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Post by: Cranberries on October 11, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
Tomorrow is the last day of my whole 30 and I was near a scale today so I weighed in a little early. I had weighed myself about half way through so it wasn't really a surprise, but I have lost 15 lbs. I am quite happy about it, but also a little alarmed at how fast it has dropped.

Depending on where I plateau this gives me only 15-20 lbs to lose, and 20 lbs would take me back to what I weighed when I was 18.

I am having trouble finding reliable info on whether this rate of weight loss is dangerous. Many sources claim it is but they are basing it on the assumption that someone is eating nothing but grapefruit to achieve it. Do any of you have any good information sources on the topic? I am wondering if I should change how I do this next time around to lose weight slower.
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Post by: mom22boys on October 12, 2015, 07:24:34 AM
Wow, lots going on this weekend! 

KiwiSonja - Welcome back!  Great job on the early trial, and now you can rock it out!

Sailor - Thanks for the tip on the sodium. At first I thought they weren't eating enough....but I never thought of sodium being the issue.  Likely too little, considering what they were normally eating.

1967mama - I have NEVER found a deli meat that was compliant. They almost all have either nitrates, sugar, or both. I'm sure there is some, somewhere, but like bacon it's really hard to find.  You have to just buy a turkey breast and bake it at home. I haven't done any bars during this because that would be SWYPO for me.  They are too much like a candy bar, and I LOVE chocolate, so too much of a trigger.

For your trip, I would highly recommend calling the hotel and finding out if you have a fridge in your room. I wish I had done that for my work trip (I DID have one), because it would have been much easier. I found that it's actually quite hard to find breakfast and lunch that is compliant when you are eating out. Even getting just chicken breast on a salad w/o dressing will be non-compliant.  Why?  Because they add preservatives to the chicken. I found that out the hard way on my first Whole30. Next time, for breakfast and lunch I would take hard boiled eggs, tuna or chicken in a can (don't forget the can opener), avocado or guac, nuts, fruit.  You can get as basic or fancy as you want.  Supper was a little easier, since you can typically find a steakhouse that will have a steak and baked potato or salad.

Communion - I also took communion during September. The book specifically talks about it, and they basically said 'we aren't messing with God, so TAKE it'. I did and didn't feel guilty at all.  But holy, moly was that grape juice SA.WEET! No wine at my church.

Can you post the bbq sauce you made? I still want to make that and ketchup sometime.

Botanist - I'm in the same boat with the weight loss.  I'm losing very fast, which is good and bad. I definitely haven't felt hungry at all, and it's a great feeling to be able to naturally put the breaks on eating when I'm satisfied, rather than stuffing myself. But....still question how healthy it is????
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Post by: 1967mama on October 12, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
mom22boys,

Here's the BBQ sauce recipe (I'm sorry, I forgot to source it when I cut and pasted it into my email). It took just a minute to make. The ketchup was even faster. I'm seriously considering switching to the ketchup for my family -- it was that easy and that tasty!

BBQ SAUCE: 1 can tomato paste (6oz) 1/4 cup tomato sauce 1/4 cup balsamic vinegar 1/2 cup unsweetened 100% apple sauce 1 tbsp coconut aminos 1 1/2 tsp chili powder 1 1/2 tsp chipotle powder (see note below) 1 tsp paprika 1 tsp sea salt 1/2 tsp black pepper 1/4 tsp all spice 1/4 tsp cayenne powder (optional) a few dashes hot sauce to taste (I like Trader Joe’s hot pepper sauce)

Also, thanks for the great tips on staying in a hotel! I looked on the hotel website and you can rent a fridge for $10 a day and a microwave for $5 a day, IIRC.  Not sure what to do, since I'm there for 3 days .. its at the end of this month so I have a bit of time to stew on it ;-)

Thanks, also, for the information on communion. I don't have the book yet -- I was checking where I am in the hold line last night at the library website and I"m the 10th hold on 6 copies IIRC, but then I noticed its on order! GRRR! I'm sorely tempted to go buy the book today!
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Post by: swick on October 12, 2015, 12:01:12 PM
CONGRATS on DAY 30 - Botanist!

1967mama - I know this may be considered anti-mustachian, but I would buy the book. I went the frist week and a bit without it, and ended up finding out that my mom had a copy I could borrow. It was so, so much easier once I had the book, all the info at the beginning about why things are or aren't or are allowed, the timeline, questions to ask, and the psychology behind it, and some great recipes! It made it easier, and I felt more effective.

You can find most of the info on the website, but having it all clearly laid out and easily accessible for reference was worth it for me.
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Post by: mom22boys on October 12, 2015, 02:13:21 PM

1967mama - I know this may be considered anti-mustachian, but I would buy the book. I went the frist week and a bit without it, and ended up finding out that my mom had a copy I could borrow. It was so, so much easier once I had the book, all the info at the beginning about why things are or aren't or are allowed, the timeline, questions to ask, and the psychology behind it, and some great recipes! It made it easier, and I felt more effective.

You can find most of the info on the website, but having it all clearly laid out and easily accessible for reference was worth it for me.
+1 - It would have been really hard to this without the book.  In fact, I bought both books, Whole30 and It Starts with Food (to get more of the science behind it). If you have Costco, I bought my Whole30 book there, and it was only $17.  Super deal!  I gave that book to my parents, and unfortunately they were out of the books at Costco so I bought a second book at B&N....$30!  Yikesss....but still worth the money.
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Post by: Liz on October 12, 2015, 02:39:20 PM
Catching up on posts and wanted to check in -- Day 24 here:) Trip went well, I stayed compliant but didn't really eat "template" meals.... but I stayed compliant and am super happy about that! Beef jerky from US wellness, apples, small packages of nut butters, and an RX Bar really saved me. I still have a lingering cough from my cold last week so I should probably suck it up and go to the doctor, even though I was hoping not to. Bummer!

Congrats to Botanist on finishing! Thank you for sharing your details about your weight loss -- how are you feeling in general?
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 12, 2015, 02:42:15 PM
If all you want is the science, you can read The Primal Blueprint in place of It Starts With Food. TPB will run you through the idea behind an 'ancestral' diet, with chapters on inflammation theorized to come from ingesting grains, legumes, and sugars. TPB also has a lot'o info on glycogenesis. However, if you crave the exact theory behind the specific Whole30 program, then It Starts With Food would be better.

Again, not a doctor, but I've done research and never run across anything substantial showing rapid weight loss is dangerous to anyone's health. The metabolic issues come from cycling weight on yo-yo dieting. Keep in mind that any return to a higher carbohydrate mode of living will bring some scale pounds back in retained water. Carbohydrate literally means hydrated carbon, and each glycogen molecules has 3-4 grams of water. You've spend 30 days with reduced glycogen (even if you never made it into ketosis), so your body flushed the extra water. If you return to eating > ~100g of carbohydrates per day, the water will also come back. Don't freak out if the scale goes up.
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Post by: Cranberries on October 12, 2015, 06:02:28 PM

Congrats to Botanist on finishing! Thank you for sharing your details about your weight loss -- how are you feeling in general?

I feel great, but there is another large unrelated thing that I changed this month, and it would be impossible to figure out how much of the increase in energy is due to diet.

However, I do know the following things are diet related:
15 lbs weight loss
Huge decrease in bloating.
Steadier blood sugar.
substantial reduction in joint aches.
General decrease in inflammation related symptoms.
Amazing, huge, spectacular decrease in sugar and wheat cravings.


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Post by: 1967mama on October 12, 2015, 11:27:45 PM
Congratulations, Botanist! Your list is so encouraging to read!

I was wondering, if a person could only choose one of the two books, which one would you choose?

Also, a huge success today .. I made it through Thanksgiving (Canada) 100% Whole30 compliant. I actually cannot believe it! This is so not like me. The hardest part was resisting the Pumpkin Cheesecake with real whipped cream and a sprinkling of cinnamon on top. But it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I wanted to stay on Day 4 more than I wanted to eat that cheesecake. It wasn't terribly hard making dinner, and I made sure to have a few dishes that I could safely eat.

I am feeling like my body is taking up less space -- does that sound weird? I just feel like a little tiny bit smaller when I walk around. I also am noticing that I'm not getting any brain fog, which is so neat!

I talked to my husband about getting a little fridge brought up to our hotel room the weekend we are away.  (I found out on the website that they are available for a small fee). It would be cheaper than me dining out. I was also thinking that I know his exact meeting schedule (he will be eating at the meetings except for on the Friday) and so I can make myself a detailed meal plan in advance. I need to make sure that I bring enough food to last me the whole weekend. A steakhouse on the Friday night is a great idea! A steak and baked potato, veggies, no butter, and I will smuggle in some clarified butter! hahhah

Oh, and I also made Whole30 mayo for the first time today and it was fabulous on my tuna that topped a big veggie salad. Like I said before, I can't believe I'm eating so well .. this is sooooooo uncharacteristic of me!

Thanks for the support and encouragement everyone. Please keep posting success stories for us newbies. I'm interested to learn what people do when they get to the end of their Whole 30!
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Post by: mom22boys on October 13, 2015, 07:17:01 AM
Botanist!  Way to go!  You made it!  I agree that your list of wins is very inspiring.  What's your plan going forward?

1967mama  Definitely go with the Whole30 book, rather than It Starts With Food. They have way more recipes, with nice color photos.  That was big for me because it helped me mentally get past the 'this eating is boring' attitude. There is some awesome looking food pics in the book, and the taste to go with them! Also, I think you have a good handle on your weekend plan. And also....WOW, super impressed with your Thanksgiving eating. Pumpkin pie/cake/cheesecake is one of my favorites, and I think I would have a hard time. But, we'll see this year, maybe it will be different. :-)

Well, I haven't started the reintro yet, but I have to confess I've gone a little beyond just adding trace sugar.  Last night I had some Costco rotisserie chicken, which definitely has things NOT on plan. I feel a little guilty today. I'm a little torn as to whether I should just call it good, and start the reinto, or whether it's small enough like trace sugar to not impact my reintro. Guess I need to read the ingredient better tonight. Maybe I'll go back to pure Whole30 for a week, and then start the reintro. Honestly I feel great and am a little scared to even try the reintro, just incase I get that sugar dragon back.

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Post by: Liz on October 13, 2015, 08:37:43 AM
^ mom22boys ~ Just curious --- what were the off-road ingredients in the chicken and how are you feeling today from eating it?

1967mama ~ Big YAY for you!!! You should be proud of your strength and discipline! I know I am impressed:)
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Post by: swick on October 13, 2015, 08:51:08 AM
Thanks for the reminder of water weight (and what it actually is) SailorSam, Helps me feel better, despite not seeing the huge weight loss I was hoping for, I do feel lighter and trimmer and can "see" a difference and that is a good start!

Awesome job on surviving Thanksgiving 1967mama! I thought I had dodged a bullet by going to my parents house - They made an awesome compliant meal of carrots, roasted beets, squash, horseradish, Brussels, potatoes and romanesco from their garden and a prime rib - all topped with the cilantro lime dressing from the whole 30 cookbook. It was great!

On the way up we stopped at Hubby's grandmother's who invited us for Thanksgiving dinner next Sunday, this will be the very tough one, his family doesn't get it, no matter how much we explain what we are doing. Case in point, Grandma hands us a bag of Halloween candy, we say "thanks but we are not eating sugar right now" - she says: "That is good, it is so bad for you!" So take this candy and have as much as you'd like and then give the rest to your brother."

I am also NOT allowed to bring anything to Thanksgiving supper. Our strategy is to eat beforehand, have a few token pieces of Turkey and have hubby answer any and all questions about what we are doing (instead of it coming from me, which makes it seem like something I am doing and hubby is just along for the ride)

Mom22boys - I hear you about the fear of reintroducing sugar and such. We decided we have to get really really detailed about tracking our intro - not sure if it is going to be a spreadsheet or what - but something along the lines of over time how does your baseline change (Hubby is going to see what he comes up with, if it is useful to anyone else, we'll share)

With the milk, there was the immediate effects, then the crap sleep, and congestion that didn't go away fro a day and a half, and my rather clear (for me) face broke out in these super painful deep under the skin zits - the ones that are painful and hard and puffy but so deep they have no head. Yay....so there are definitely short and long-term effects that are worth tracking over time.

For our reintro we have had the milk in a latte and I had a bit of organic cream in some homemade clam chowder on Sunday with my parents  (This has been planned for a while, and worth it for me) I didn't seem to have an immediate effects from the soup so I am thinking that least is a quantity thing.

Otherwise we are back on plan. I made a Thai coconut green curry with Turkey, zucchini, squash and romanesco greens for supper last night - it was super yummy!

Liz - I am super impressed (but not surprised, you rock!) you were able to stay complaint on your trip. How was it other then the food?

 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 13, 2015, 09:24:19 AM
Well, I haven't started the reintro yet, but I have to confess I've gone a little beyond just adding trace sugar.  Last night I had some Costco rotisserie chicken, which definitely has things NOT on plan. I feel a little guilty today. I'm a little torn as to whether I should just call it good, and start the reinto, or whether it's small enough like trace sugar to not impact my reintro. Guess I need to read the ingredient better tonight. Maybe I'll go back to pure Whole30 for a week, and then start the reintro. Honestly I feel great and am a little scared to even try the reintro, just incase I get that sugar dragon back.

Wait, wait, calm down, take a breath!. Nothing has been lost or canceled here. I looked up the ingredients of a Costco chicken, and there are 2 off-plan ingredients: carrageenan and sugar. The tapioca and dextrin both sound scary, but they are thickeners made from potatoes. Potatoes are allowed on the Whole30. Their derivatives may not be the best choice ever, but they aren't speficially outside the bounds of the Whole30.

Now, lets talk about carrageenan. It's everywhere. It's made from seaweed. There's lots of information on the interwebz, both for and against eating it. Like soy. And milk. And legumes. It's one of those foods YOU have to make a decision on. Which sounds an awful lot like....reintroduction! Which is a long winded say to say, I think you're on the right path. Keep calm and carry on. You've got this.
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Post by: mom22boys on October 13, 2015, 10:12:15 AM
Thanks for the sanity check everyone.  Especially Sailor for looking up the ingredients!  I don't feel any different today after eating the chicken, so I'm going to just call it good, and more forward with the full reintro at some point.

Swick It's very interesting what you've found with your complexion. I've been noticing the SAME thing.  My face was really clear, and now I'm getting a little pimple or such every once in a while.  The only thing I've added back is trace sugar (and the little carrageenan yesterday).  Could trace sugar really have that big of an impact on my face?  I have a hard time believing that, but as we are each different, it could be.

Liz You are awesome sticking to plan while camping! I think that would be even hardly than traveling with a hotel/fridge available. I had a couple days like you described with my first Whole30 where I didn't have the fat/carb/protein consistently at each meal, but heck, you STAYED on plan and that's way more important. You still kept the junk out of your system.  Plus, you're on the home stretch!  Less than a week to go....WOOOHOOO!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 13, 2015, 02:17:49 PM
Y'all are so sweet!:) The trip was good! I didn't end up kayaking because of a lingering cough, even though I REALLY wanted to {it was the Ocoee, for anyone that knows TN area or rivers}, so both days I just sat by a big rapid at the end and watched for my friends and boyfriend. It's a short run, about 3 hours, so I wasn't waiting around too long. 

I'm usually pretty stubborn about going to the doctor, but I finally went today, and I have bronchitis. Ugh. I usually get it once a year when the seasons change, and it's one of the reasons I want to overhaul my way of eating. I truly believe that eliminating certain foods can help with inflammation. Luckily, I don't think I was prescribed any steroids, but I do have an antibiotic which I know will mess with gut flora, etc. I will be drinking a lot of kombucha and looking into probiotics. I'm also seriously contemplating stretching out my W30 for another two weeks after my official 'end' date.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 13, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
Well I pulled a Mustachian Fail today and bought myself both books :-} --->sheepish grin! Can't wait to dive into then tonight since my husband is away on business! I figured the two books are cheaper than a month of Weight Watchers, so there's that.

It's funny how the farther you get from Whole30 Day 1, the less likely you are to cheat. I don't want to have to start again!

Off to have leftover turkey and sweet potato mash for dinner.

Thanks for the encouraging words:-)
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Post by: Cranberries on October 13, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
I had a very mustachian moment yesterday. I went to Nordstrom to try on bras so that I could order one on ebay, but they did not have the size I wanted to try. The saleswoman suggested that I could get it altered. It had never occurred to me that you could alter a bra, but of course you can. Cue to me sitting on my bed cutting up an old bra.

End result: I successfully shrunk the band, but then I made the cups a little too small. It might fit at the end of my next whole30. Also the scar along the underwire is a bit too scratchy. I have another that I am altering tonight, but only the band needs to be re-sized so it should work well.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 14, 2015, 03:03:11 AM
You guys are so awesome. I'm trying to get myself back into the right headspace to start again. Seems there us something every day that comes up and I let it derail me but I felt so awesome for the 10 days or so that I followed it that I need to do myself the service of sticking it out. I made a list of reasons for doing whole30 and have stuck it on the fridge to remind me. I'm also not a great meal planner but I can see you need it to succeed. We are traveling to family parties over the weekend but I'm planning ahead to bring compliant food with me. Everyone knows I suffer allergies so that's what I'll tell anyone who asks about my special foods. I don't have scales at home but feel more bloated since I have been eating carbs again.  Thanks for the explanation for this, Sailor Sam. I hear you , Swick about the nasty acne -interesting that that followed sugar. I got that after eating icecream so couldn't tell if it was dairy or sugar but got the sneezes back after that too. So glad to have this thread...
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Post by: ketchup on October 14, 2015, 08:15:19 AM
Ketchup and GF....I think it's celebration day today!  Are you doing to do the reintro, keep going?
Way to go! ketchup and GF!!!!

Thanks!  After Day 30 we drove to Tennessee bringing all our own food and a five-day cooler (best cooler ever).  I came back yesterday, and she'll be back this coming weekend.  She should have enough food to last her.  We've added back in trace amounts of sugar (bacon, etc) and peanuts (some Larabars we brought had peanuts in them) but nothing else yet.  Next we'll probably add back in high-fat dairy, mostly for cheese (which I can't stand because I'm a space alien apparently but Amber loves it) and yogurt.  I will probably only ever eat peanuts occasionally (like the Larabars for travel), as in the past I ate an absolutely insane amount of peanut butter.

Results:  I feel awesome, she feels awesome, her acne cleared up the most it ever has (this thrilled her), and as of Day 30 she was down exactly 8 pounds from Day 1.  :D

Sunday night I "ate out" for the first time since before Day 1 at the "welcome dinner" buffet at the dog show that someone gave me a ticket to.  I hadn't yet eaten that day, so I called it an intermittent fast and that night ate at least four meals worth with no breakfast following in the morning.  Meat (mostly pork, plus some very subpar chicken) from 13 sliders (bun removed) with four heaping plates worth of buttered red potatoes, and a squirt of some mysterious BBQ sauce.  All-you-can-eat meat and potatoes after a long hard day (GF's Fitbit tracked 25,000+ steps each day we were there) with no food, still 90% Whole30ish (I'm sure there was sugar in the BBQ sauce)?  Yes, please.

We've decided that we're probably going to try to do a bit of a 30 days on/30 days off cycles with Whole30 to keep us in check, while of course not going off the deep end or anything on the off days (still no grains, sugar, soy, or other shit).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 14, 2015, 09:06:41 AM
Swick about the nasty acne -interesting that that followed sugar. I got that after eating icecream so couldn't tell if it was dairy or sugar but got the sneezes back after that too. So glad to have this thread...

Just to clarify, I think my problem is the diary - I haven't added and sugar back yet. I think Mom22boys had a similar reaction and she has only reintroduced trace sugar, Is that right Mom22boys?

You guys are so awesome. I'm trying to get myself back into the right headspace to start again. Seems there us something every day that comes up and I let it derail me but I felt so awesome for the 10 days or so that I followed it that I need to do myself the service of sticking it out. I made a list of reasons for doing whole30 and have stuck it on the fridge to remind me. I'm also not a great meal planner but I can see you need it to succeed.

The thing is, there is NEVER a good time to start, there will always be events, social pressure, family pressure, cravings, unexpected circumstances. If it is important to you, you just have to make the commitment to yourself. There is lots of psychology around breaking promises to yourself and the detrimental effects of doing so. )Sorry I can't remember where I was reading it, been a few years)  But basically after a while of breaking promises to yourself your brain knows better then to believe you. This is part of the problem with yo-yo dieting and.

It is also an exercise in taming your instant gratification monkey:
Swick about the nasty acne -interesting that that followed sugar. I got that after eating icecream so couldn't tell if it was dairy or sugar but got the sneezes back after that too. So glad to have this thread...
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Just to clarify, I think my problem is the diary - I haven't added and sugar back yet. I think Mom22boys had a similar reaction and she has only reintroduced trace sugar, Is that right Mom22boys?

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You guys are so awesome. I'm trying to get myself back into the right headspace to start again. Seems there us something every day that comes up and I let it derail me but I felt so awesome for the 10 days or so that I followed it that I need to do myself the service of sticking it out. I made a list of reasons for doing whole30 and have stuck it on the fridge to remind me. I'm also not a great meal planner but I can see you need it to succeed.

The thing is, there is NEVER a good time to start, there will always be events, social pressure, family pressure, cravings, unexpected circumstances. If it is important to you, you just have to make the commitment to yourself. There is lots of psychology around breaking promises to yourself and the detrimental effects of doing so. (Sorry I can't remember which text I was reading it, been a few years)  But basically after a while of breaking promises to yourself your brain knows better than to believe you and take you seriously. This is part of the problem with yo-yo dieting and.

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Nice job on your results, Ketchup! Sounds like there are lots of positive changes going on!

Tracking update: Started playing around with spread sheets, hubby wants to track EVERYTHING so instead we decided to save a lot of headache and see what other options are there. We found a neat little site that tracks food intake (and does all the neat nutrient calcs), sleep, weight, exercise, mood, symptoms, water - basically everything you want to track. There is a 30-day full version trial and a basic version, so we thought we would give it a try.

Hubs is still having issues with feeling hungry almost all the time, and wanted to try reintroducing Quinoa. Made him a breakfast scramble of quinoa, sauteed romenesco leaves and eggs. We'll see how he feels. I don't really feel a need to re-intro it at this point myself. I seriously doubt it would be an issue, but I'm happy the way things are.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 14, 2015, 11:32:44 AM
Yes, my acne has reared its head with just trace sugar.  I've had at least one new pimple/zit/whatever EVERY day for the past week.  Luckily they are going away really fast too, so I'm not too worried.

1967mama I personally don't see buying both books as a MMM fail. Just as with everything, there is balance in life. I saw buying them as an investment in my health.  For course, there are limits to everything, but so far it's been the best health investment I've made.  Now if you want to talk about MMM failure.....I used to buy Shakeology from Beach Body every month at over $130 a pop.  YIKES!  As soon as I found MMM, I immediately cancelled it. Plus, I felt it was just perpetuating my issues with sweets.  Did I really think my desire for chocolate would go away when I was drinking a chocolate protein shake every day?  Heck NO!

Botanist Impressive with the bra hack!  I wish I could sew, but that's just not my thing.  I still have to have my mom sew on buttons for me, yes I'm that pathetic when it comes to sewing.  :-) 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 14, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
mom22boys,

Thanks for making me feel better about buying both books. I didn't even wait to order them cheaper online. I just felt like I've already made an over a week commitment to this program and I reallllly, really, realllllly like the results (in both my mind and my body). So yes, it is definitely an investment in myself, which as a mama of a large family, hasn't happened in a really long time <sigh>. And, I'm a better mama now, too :-) even after just a week. This program rocks!

I agree with swick that there's never a good time to start. If its not one thing, its another. Miraculously (truly!) I made it through Thanksgiving dinner Whole30 compliant, 100%, no cheats. Granted, I was doing all the cooking myself, but I did it!

I am surprised and pleased with my new habit of bringing along compliant snacks when I'm going out. No more drive thru's for this cat! I am out now, at a 3 hour assessment thingy for my son and I brought a bag of almonds and coconut chips (monkey salad minus the banana), and a nice, fresh Golden Delicious apple. I also have tea (no cream no sugar/stevi, of course! also a very new thing for this tea addict who is now realizing maybe it was the dairy or sweet taste I was addicted to and not the tea?!!)

Have a great day, MMM/Whole30 buddies!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 14, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
ketchup and for anyone else that likes Larabars ~ Definitely give RXbars a try! They have a little more protein {12 grams a bar, I think?}. They taste really good but don't awake the sugar dragon as much, for me at least! I've only ordered them on Amazon and from their website though -- hopefully one day they will be stocked in health food type stores, like the Larabars are.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 14, 2015, 07:11:36 PM
Thanks guys. I have been reading lots of books about changing habits (Charles Duhigg, Gretchen Rubin etc) and have learned a lot. I agree that life always throws something at us. Getting through Thanksgiving is real inspiration.  Perhaps it's easy to hide behind these events as an excuse not to start. But I really, really, really want to finish this and don't want to disappoint myself.  I actually do feel proud of myself when I don't eat foods I'm not supposed to and that will help keep me going. It has made me aware of the total oversupply of treat food around.  Treats used to be 'occasional' but I'm having to bat away offers several times a day. I'm two-thirds of the way through Day 1 and have eaten well so far. Only 29.3 to go!
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Post by: Faraday on October 14, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
Thanks guys. I have been reading lots of books about changing habits (Charles Duhigg, Gretchen Rubin etc) and have learned a lot. I agree that life always throws something at us. Getting through Thanksgiving is real inspiration.  Perhaps it's easy to hide behind these events as an excuse not to start. But I really, really, really want to finish this and don't want to disappoint myself.  I actually do feel proud of myself when I don't eat foods I'm not supposed to and that will help keep me going. It has made me aware of the total oversupply of treat food around.  Treats used to be 'occasional' but I'm having to bat away offers several times a day. I'm two-thirds of the way through Day 1 and have eaten well so far. Only 29.3 to go!

KS and all who HACK YOUR DIET.....

Halloween begins what I have labeled "The Season Of Insanity".

The Season Of Insanity is the five winter months of the year where "the world" (ie: vendors of foodstuffs, diet and exercise) tries to dramatically increase your consumption of high-carb, high-sugar and high glycemic index foods. Halloween, it's simply candy of all sorts. Thanksgiving and Christmas, the overconsumption of the "traditional holiday foods". By New Year's Day, you've packed on 5-10 lbs you didn't have before Halloween, and the popular press expects you to "Make a New Year's Resolution". Diet and Exercise vendors start hawking their wares and plans the day after Christmas, and you are "encouraged" to go to the gym because, well, you made that resolution to lose those extra lbs, right?

Well, you go to the gym, and you feel like shit and try to work it off, but not much happens, you're being encouraged to over-indulge for New Year's Eve, for the Stupor Bowl, and you give up just in time to buy yourself a valentine-shaped box containing 5 lbs of fine chocolates for Valentine's Day. Screw those new year's resolutions, you'll never make it anyway, right?

Maybe you try one more time, but then, they hit you one more time with Easter and Easter candy and Easter Sunday dinners that look exactly like Thanksgiving and Christmas.

And then it's done. You are left with an extra 10lbs of fat, gluten bloating, deep belly fat and decreased insulin sensitivity. You're screwed, but you are expected to fix that problem over the summer, right? I mean, aren't you getting to the gym, or getting outside, or doing whatever young, hap'nin people do to shed the weight? I mean, you are gonna get rid of the weight so you can put it back on next year when we push our goodies in front of your face next year, right?

My point is: the onset of winter brings a coordinated attack by food vendors, state fairs, relatives, co-workers and even people you don't know. They ram crap food in front of you and expect you to "go for it" because, well, let's face it: we're all human right? We all put on a little weight as we age, right? That's only "natural", right?

Well, the pharisees in the temple can go fuck themselves. I declare war on the Season of Insanity. I HACK THE DIET and take responsibility. I use the principles of known good science and deep-seated indignance to wage war on the bastards and win.

Two years ago this coming March, I launched my attack and lost 80 lbs using the Keto Lifestyle (a "cousin" to Whole30). Whether you use Whole30, Paleo, Keto, Atkins, whatever, do what works for you, log everything you eat (LoseIt or MyFitnessPal) and find your own success.

Don't dwell on failure. If you slam down a pack of oreo double stuff, remember, OREO is a four-letter word. Get past it, crush it, burn the sugars and glutens out of your body with fierce exercise and don't stop for DAYS until the crap (literally) is gone.

You can do this, YOU CAN WIN. Hack the diet and damn the Season of Insanity!
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Post by: swick on October 14, 2015, 08:34:02 PM
now that is a manifesto! I love you, mefla!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 14, 2015, 09:14:42 PM
now that is a manifesto! I love you, mefla!

@swick: I'm so glad you said that. I've been fighting against having a little forum-crush on you anyway. Now I can think it just a tiny bit and not feel so pervy. Beware: you'll be sharing me with justajane, MonkeyJenga, Dollar Slice, pbkmaine, shelivesthedream, okits, thedayisbrave, Rural, NoraLenderbee, lemondirgopie, KMMK, Cressida and Allie.  Oh, and Farnoosh Torabi and Ms. MM.  Good thing I'm too tired to be a stalker. I'd never get anything done! :-) :-)

@Eirene: Give it time, I'll put you on the list too. :-)
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Post by: swick on October 14, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
Good thing I'm too tired to be a stalker. I'd never get anything done! :-) :-)

hmm, perhaps something in your keto diet needs tweaking? ;)

You comment made my day, apparently we have many of the same forum crushes!
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Post by: Faraday on October 14, 2015, 10:35:49 PM
Good thing I'm too tired to be a stalker. I'd never get anything done! :-) :-)

hmm, perhaps something in your keto diet needs tweaking? ;)

You comment made my day, apparently we have many of the same forum crushes!

MCT oil. I went without it for a few days and had some this morning in the protein shake. It always makes my brain work better. (honest, that's not a joke. Long story there, maybe I'll start a Keto Thread....)

Just remember: Keto...Because Bacon!

And yes, the forum crushes thing is GREAT. I mean, you'd have to think someone was pretty smart to even go there, right?

BTW: I blow big 'ol sloppy kisses to everyone here who's doing Whole30. I have a co-worker who's had lunch with me two days running, he finished his Whole30 30 days yesterday and he rattled off a whole bunch of benefits. He's definitely a believer in hacking his diet!
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Post by: 1967mama on October 14, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Thanks for the manifesto, mefla! Excellent summary of the season of insanity. And with our Canadian Thanksgiving being earlier, our season is even longer.

When you said this:
"Easter Sunday dinners that look exactly like Thanksgiving and Christmas."
it made me think that I should post my Thanksgiving dinner list just in case it would be a help to someone.

(Things I could eat have a *)

*turkey
*brussel sprouts
*broccoli/cauliflower (pulled a little out for myself before I sprinkled the dish with parmesan cheese)
*mashed potatoes (again, pulled a little out before I added butter and sour cream, then put some clarified butter on mine to melt)
*sweet potato mash (from Whole30)
*beets
-gravy
-cranberry sauce
-stuffing
-pumpkin cheesecake (made it myself without tasting .. woohoo!) (bought myself a tiny watermelon and a pineapple for dessert but I was too full and wasn't feeling horribly tempted by the cheesecake)

KiwiSonya, I am totally not a strong person and this is so totally unlike me. I have about 70 pounds to lose to be just back into the range of a healthy BMI (I'm so embarrassed to type that out). So as you can imagine, I have a real weakness/addiction to sweets and snacks and junk food and baking and fast food and bread and cookies and cake and icing and, and, and. And its GONE. As in, every day, I'm stepping outside myself going, "Who is this person who chose to eat tuna on a bed of lettuce and chopped veggies for dinner? Who is this person who is now eating eggs every day for breakfast topped with steamed spinach and tomatoes or avocado and zucchini??? Who is this person who carries a bag of nuts and an apple in her purse???  We are rooting for you! If I can do it, you can do it! I can't wait to hear about everyone's Thanksgiving and how you got through it!

Have a great, healthy day!


Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 14, 2015, 11:58:38 PM
Thanks for the manifesto, mefla! Excellent summary of the season of insanity. And with our Canadian Thanksgiving being earlier, our season is even longer.

A-men sister. You Canuks have effing awesome craft ales too, but that's a story for another time.

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I have about 70 pounds to lose to be just back into the range of a healthy BMI (I'm so embarrassed to type that out).

NO, no no! It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! You actually have a kind of advantage over someone who's starting with only a little weight to lose. Why would I say that? When we get that big (and WE includes ME), we have a lot of bodily inflammation: fluid in the lymph nodes, deep belly fat, liver and gallbladder inflammation, joint inflammation, etc. You name it, on your body, it's inflamed, and NOT in a good way!

When you get clean and hack your diet, inflammation is one of the things that's first to go. But you won't get rid of all the inflammation in only one Whole30 session. it can take months to get rid of all the inflammation, and in fact, if you screw up and eat something your body HATES, you can get a little of it back and suffer for it. (I'm in that mode right now - I had a little craft ale for awhile - my older son and I love to homebrew, and I had some of it. It didn't hurt me in any really bad way, but the glutens brought back the inflammation. So now I'm in moratorium and working hard to burn the glutens out of my body.

Likewise, YOU will see similar improvements just by continuing with Whole30. You're going to want to add some kind of exercise - something, anything. Just walking, whatever. That will help keep your muscle mass up so you can continue to burn off the inflammation.

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I'm stepping outside myself going, "Who is this person who chose to eat tuna on a bed of lettuce and chopped veggies for dinner? Who is this person who is now eating eggs every day for breakfast topped with steamed spinach and tomatoes or avocado and zucchini??? Who is this person who carries a bag of nuts and an apple in her purse???  We are rooting for you! If I can do it, you can do it! I can't wait to hear about everyone's Thanksgiving and how you got through it!

You have an awesome attitude! Keep Kicking Ass through the season of insanity!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 15, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
So as you can imagine, I have a real weakness/addiction to sweets and snacks and junk food and baking and fast food and bread and cookies and cake and icing and, and, and. And its GONE. As in, every day, I'm stepping outside myself going, "Who is this person who chose to eat tuna on a bed of lettuce and chopped veggies for dinner? Who is this person who is now eating eggs every day for breakfast topped with steamed spinach and tomatoes or avocado and zucchini??? Who is this person who carries a bag of nuts and an apple in her purse???  We are rooting for you! If I can do it, you can do it! I can't wait to hear about everyone's Thanksgiving and how you got through it!

LOVE this! You are awesome! I was thinking about this the other day -- how a couple of months ago, a snack / treat for me would have been half a bag or more of chips... and now a bowl of steamed spinach with nutritional yeast seems delicious. I REALLY needed this reset!
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Post by: ketchup on October 15, 2015, 08:55:45 AM
ketchup and for anyone else that likes Larabars ~ Definitely give RXbars a try! They have a little more protein {12 grams a bar, I think?}. They taste really good but don't awake the sugar dragon as much, for me at least! I've only ordered them on Amazon and from their website though -- hopefully one day they will be stocked in health food type stores, like the Larabars are.
Unfortunately, those look like they're about double the price of Larabars, and the flavors I looked at all contain almonds, which I can't eat without consequences (my GF can and does fine with them).  Thanks for the tip though!

However, I have found in the past that homemade "Larabars" are fantastic, better and cheaper than store-bought, but not as shelf-stable.  I didn't take the time to make any for our trip, but they were super awesome before. I'll definitely make them again (and Larabar is the one damn Nestle brand I've found myself ever buying and fuck Nestle).
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 15, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
Despite being part of the Stocktober challenge, I broke down and bought some ketostix, to test if I'm in ketosis. Very firmly in ketosis! Rainbow pooping unicorn victory for Sir Samuel.

I've been reading everyone's posts about sugar with avid interest. I've never been attracted to sugary things, and I actively dislike the taste of chocolate. Many people find this mysterious. BUT, given the chance to roll around in a swimming pool of flavoured potato chips, I'd go for it. Tater tots, yes please. Only french fries are available? Well, if must. I once endured a very unpleasant but incredibly frantic and bug eyed pelt to sadly distant bathroom the day after ingesting way to many kale chips. Salty and crunchy does it for me.

 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 15, 2015, 11:11:10 AM

Halloween begins what I have labeled "The Season Of Insanity".

The Season Of Insanity is the five winter months of the year where "the world" (ie: vendors of foodstuffs, diet and exercise) tries to dramatically increase your consumption of high-carb, high-sugar and high glycemic index foods.
You can do this, YOU CAN WIN. Hack the diet and damn the Season of Insanity!

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!  To me, Whole30/paleo/primal/keto all go hand in hand with MMM.  Today's society is all about excess: cars, houses, clothes, jewelry....and YES food!  I looked back at only one of my credit cards last year (pre-MMM) and I spent over 7K at restaurants. Not even grocery stores, but JUST restaurants.  I was blown away, and literally wanted to cry.  How wasteful am I being? How unhealthy am I by eating all this crap? I remember back to when I was young and I was lucky if my mom let us have anything sweet more than once every two weeks.  That's why I'm continuing on the Whole30 (except trace sugar). I want to get back to being in control so I can say NO to all that crap for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and on and on.

Mefla - The only cool thing I love about whole30 is that I DON'T have to track my food.  I can eat anything I want within the set boundaries. Not saying it's right/wrong to track your food, but it's what works for me.  My body is naturally telling me when I've had enough.

And yes.....Mefla, I love you too!  Actually, I love everyone on this board!  What a great group, willing to openly share their struggles and most importantly, the support we all receive from each other.

EDIT:  Typos
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 15, 2015, 11:14:14 AM

@swick: I'm so glad you said that. I've been fighting against having a little forum-crush on you anyway. Now I can think it just a tiny bit and not feel so pervy. Beware: you'll be sharing me with justajane, MonkeyJenga, Dollar Slice, pbkmaine, shelivesthedream, okits, thedayisbrave, Rural, NoraLenderbee, lemondirgopie, KMMK, Cressida and Allie.  Oh, and Farnoosh Torabi and Ms. MM.  Good thing I'm too tired to be a stalker. I'd never get anything done! :-) :-)

@Eirene: Give it time, I'll put you on the list too. :-)

mefla....WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT ME? No love for a fellow ketonian??? Harsh, bro. Extra harsh.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 15, 2015, 11:26:27 AM

Mefla - The only cool thing I love about whole30 is that I DON'T have to track my food.  I can eat anything I want within the set boundaries. Not saying it's right/wrong to track your food, but it's what works for me.  My body is naturally telling me when I've had enough.

I hear you mom22boy! Tracking is the only thing that is keeping me from keto and I still might want to do it. I'm not going to lie, I have about 10 pounds I would like to lose to get to my "feel the best" weight. I'm 5'2 so sometimes I feel like every pound is a struggle! Thinking about doing keto for a few months and then slowly transitioning back into primal/paleo/Whole30 {more carbs}. But one thing I am loving about the W30 is that it emphasizes eating whole, clean food, and I don't want to lose that if trying keto -- especially since my main W30 goal is to help calm my allergies and asthma. Maybe I can incorporate a W30/keto hybrid? Half of me wants to keep going on W30 but incorporate more exercise {I literally did no exercise this month} and see how that goes.  I don't think I lost a lot of weight this go-around but my clothes are fitting better for sure.  Sorry for the rambling.... trying to sort out my ideas as I get closer to the end of this W30!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 15, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
I am really learning a lot from the Whole30 book ... so glad I took the plunge and bought it. Just polished off 2 eggs with steamed spinach and a handful of organic grapes. Yum!

Another thing I am noticing is that my brain fog seems to have lifted permanently! I'm so excited about this because, being a mama since 1991, and with many children, I have basically been in a brain fog since 1991 ... ugh! I"m not getting tired in the afternoons, and I'm not feeling sluggish at dinnertime. I am getting up earlier in the morning and having more restful sleeps (unless there's some drama going on with a teenager, etc). This is also a pleasant change. I'm still popping a melatonin most nights to fall asleep but I tend to be very busy with functional stuff in the daytime (again, large family) and then the emotional stuff starts flowing through my head as the house quiets at bedtime (around 11pm) so then I get some think time to process the day.

Tea. I can't believe I've gone from a chain tea drinker, to 2-3 mugs a day. This is remarkable to me as I am known to all my friends and family as a tea person. Most of the gifts I receive are: tea, tea mugs, tea paraphernalia,etc.  People send me tea jokes, tea inspirational cartoons.... You get my drift. Anyways, 1 mug around 11 am and another mid to late afternoon. Some nights, a cup of herbal in the evening with my husband. And that's it! So I was definitely addicted to the milk and the sweetener (sometimes honey or sugar, usually stevia). This surprises me because I thought stevia would be ok on Whole30, but its that sweet taste that I was craving. Last night, I bought myself a box of Medjool dates ... I had ONE! sooooo sweet and lovely! I had no trouble stopping at one, which is also very surprising to me.

I am going to try and squeeze in a little more reading of Whole30 today, but its a busy day here around the 1967mama household! Have a great day everyone!

Edit: typo
ETA: mom22boys & Liz Tracking was an epic fail for me on Weight Watchers:-(
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 15, 2015, 09:42:40 PM

@swick: I'm so glad you said that. I've been fighting against having a little forum-crush on you anyway. Now I can think it just a tiny bit and not feel so pervy. Beware: you'll be sharing me with justajane, MonkeyJenga, Dollar Slice, pbkmaine, shelivesthedream, okits, thedayisbrave, Rural, NoraLenderbee, lemondirgopie, KMMK, Cressida and Allie.  Oh, and Farnoosh Torabi and Ms. MM.  Good thing I'm too tired to be a stalker. I'd never get anything done! :-) :-)

@Eirene: Give it time, I'll put you on the list too. :-)

mefla....WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT ME? No love for a fellow ketonian??? Harsh, bro. Extra harsh.

I'm getting there, I'm getting there! I'm just a tad slow, been spending too much time in MonkeyJenga's journal thread.....I've been reading up on your posts and I'm with you bro, 1000%

In fact, let me send you this little morsel of luv: http://www.ruled.me/low-carb-pepperoni-pizza/

We made this for dinner tonight and my keto-wife couldn't stop raving about it. She loves that I like making it - it's easy as hell if I can make it, I promise you. The ruled.me recipes are fantastic. I love how they do the recipe with photos and in such amazing detail. Wort paying for!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 15, 2015, 09:49:39 PM
Despite being part of the Stocktober challenge, I broke down and bought some ketostix, to test if I'm in ketosis. Very firmly in ketosis! Rainbow pooping unicorn victory for Sir Samuel.

CONGRATULATIONS SS! I fondly remember the first time I ever lit up a ketostix. It's an awesome feeling to know you're burning the shit out of your own fat.

I think it was bracken_joy talking about how this changes over time? (I can't remember if it was her or not?) Whoever, they are 100% correct: as you go further in the journey, you don't light up the keto stick like in the beginning. I thought i was not in ketosis, but I had all the other signs, in spades. I finally wised up and realized there's a LOT of things that change when you go from having lots of fat for your body to convert, to not having quite so much for your body to convert.

BTW: MCT oil did nothing for me when I started, but now, it is awesome. When you get within 10 lbs or so of your goal weight, you gotta try some.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 16, 2015, 12:34:08 AM
With all this chatting about keto, I thought I would do a little personal research, being a newbie and all:-)

I found it super interesting and thought I'd put a link here of a good article I read on why we get fat. (http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/why-we-get-fat.html) Lots of other good stuff on there too for anyone doing the Whole30 plan. You can see on the food lists, for example, which fruits and vegetables are higher in carbs and can make sure you steer away from those, or eat them in smaller amounts.

I was so mad tonite .. I went to Costco specifically to get a big box of Lara Bars. I've bought them there in the past just because I like them so I knew they would have a box with lots of flavors. Tonite, they had a box with 2 flavors. Peanut and Peanut Chocolate Chip, or something like that ... grrrrr!

I did find Avacado Oil, which I've been looking for. There are lots of good looking Whole30 recipes that use this oil. Also picked up some walnuts and produce. Going through healthy foods so fast, but they take up So. Much. Room. in the fridge!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 16, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
In fact, let me send you this little morsel of luv: http://www.ruled.me/low-carb-pepperoni-pizza/

We made this for dinner tonight and my keto-wife couldn't stop raving about it. She loves that I like making it - it's easy as hell if I can make it, I promise you. The ruled.me recipes are fantastic. I love how they do the recipe with photos and in such amazing detail. Wort paying for!

Damnnit mefla! You gotta stop posting that! Every time I see it it's all I can think about! (Haven't reintroduced cheese yet) Although I'm totally intrigued by a mozza based crust and will indeed have to try it one day...maybe when I'm somewhere with a microwave. I imagine I could probably use a double boiler if I was really determined :)

I am really learning a lot from the Whole30 book ... so glad I took the plunge and bought it. Just polished off 2 eggs with steamed spinach and a handful of organic grapes. Yum!

Another thing I am noticing is that my brain fog seems to have lifted permanently! I'm so excited about this because, being a mama since 1991, and with many children, I have basically been in a brain fog since 1991 ... ugh! I"m not getting tired in the afternoons, and I'm not feeling sluggish at dinnertime. I am getting up earlier in the morning and having more restful sleeps (unless there's some drama going on with a teenager, etc). This is also a pleasant change. I'm still popping a melatonin most nights to fall asleep but I tend to be very busy with functional stuff in the daytime (again, large family) and then the emotional stuff starts flowing through my head as the house quiets at bedtime (around 11pm) so then I get some think time to process the day.

This is so awesome! so glad to hear you are getting "you" back :D

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!  To me, Whole30/paleo/primal/keto all go hand in hand with MMM.  Today's society is all about excess: cars, houses, clothes, jewelry....and YES food!  I looked back at only one of my credit cards last year (pre-MMM) and I spent over 7K at restaurants. Not even grocery stores, but JUST restaurants.  I was blown away, and literally wanted to cry.  How wasteful am I being? How unhealthy am I by eating all this crap? I remember back to when I was young and I was lucky if my mom let us have anything sweet more than once every two weeks.  That's why I'm continuing on the Whole30 (except trace sugar). I want to get back to being in control so I can say NO to all that crap for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and on and on.

This was really good, thank you for sharing, mom22boys.  I think the only saving grace we had in our old town was there was not really anywhere to go out eat - although getting any fresh fruits and veggies was also a problem. It does seem like the whole diet/mmm thing does go hand in hand, since at the end of the day it is about using all our resources optimally. Hacking your diet and food certianly does count!

Thanks for the manifesto, mefla! Excellent summary of the season of insanity. And with our Canadian Thanksgiving being earlier, our season is even longer.

When you said this:
"Easter Sunday dinners that look exactly like Thanksgiving and Christmas."
it made me think that I should post my Thanksgiving dinner list just in case it would be a help to someone...


KiwiSonya, I am totally not a strong person and this is so totally unlike me. I have about 70 pounds to lose to be just back into the range of a healthy BMI (I'm so embarrassed to type that out). So as you can imagine, I have a real weakness/addiction to sweets and snacks and junk food and baking and fast food and bread and cookies and cake and icing and, and, and. And its GONE. As in, every day, I'm stepping outside myself going, "Who is this person who chose to eat tuna on a bed of lettuce and chopped veggies for dinner? Who is this person who is now eating eggs every day for breakfast topped with steamed spinach and tomatoes or avocado and zucchini??? Who is this person who carries a bag of nuts and an apple in her purse???  We are rooting for you! If I can do it, you can do it! I can't wait to hear about everyone's Thanksgiving and how you got through it!


This was a totally awesome post! Isn't it awesome to be that person you marvel at? My SIL posted a comic on FB all about how much "Future Self" Hates "Present Self" because present self has so much fun and has bad habits and on and on and future self has to pay for them. I thought this was so, so sad...but the comments made me feel even sadder. There was lots of apathy and resignation to that's just how things are....

Here I was thinking future self is going to thank present self for fucking rocking it!...and that's the way it SHOULD be!!

Updates:
Other then the experiment with reintroducing milk last weekend still eating whole 30. The milk has not made it's way back into the regular rotation and more than likely won't. My face has still not fully recovered.

Intermittent fasting keeps popping up all over the pace for me, so I figured I should look into it. James Clear has a really good intro: http://jamesclear.com/the-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting (http://jamesclear.com/the-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting) I've always had a problem with eating first thing in the morning and use to not eat until 9-10. After hearing over and over I needed to have breakfast and it was unhealthy to skip meals (blah, blah, blah) I have spent YEARS trying to get into the3 squares a day routine. Funny, the time I was just eating when I was hungry (late breakfast) were the times I was at my healthiest weight and energy levels...hmmm...

I did have to be careful though because I would usually eat crap later in the day to make up for it. Methinks it is worth trying now that I have a better understanding of and relationship with food.

Anyone else intermittent fasting? (I know it is kinda off topic, but hey all a part of the puzzle!)

How is everyone doing? How those on the plan? How are those doing the reintro? Please update!




Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 16, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
In fact, let me send you this little morsel of luv: http://www.ruled.me/low-carb-pepperoni-pizza/

We made this for dinner tonight and my keto-wife couldn't stop raving about it. She loves that I like making it - it's easy as hell if I can make it, I promise you. The ruled.me recipes are fantastic. I love how they do the recipe with photos and in such amazing detail. Wort paying for!

Damnnit mefla! You gotta stop posting that! Every time I see it it's all I can think about! (Haven't reintroduced cheese yet) Although I'm totally intrigued by a mozza based crust and will indeed have to try it one day...maybe when I'm somewhere with a microwave. I imagine I could probably use a double boiler if I was really determined :)

I did have to be careful though because I would usually eat crap later in the day to make up for it. Methinks it is worth trying now that I have a better understanding of and relationship with food.

Anyone else intermittent fasting? (I know it is kinda off topic, but hey all a part of the puzzle!)

How is everyone doing? How those on the plan? How are those doing the reintro? Please update!

Sorry, sorry swick! I forgot, you are reintroducing dairy. For what it's worth, I'm lactose intolerant but this pizza doesn't bother me since the cheese used is (relatively) low in lactose and when you heat/cook cheese, it further diminishes the activity of the lactose.

Now, the salami is probably not-so-much Whole30 compatible, so you may want to turn it up a vegetarian notch. This Za would kick ass with fresh, thin tomato slices and mushrooms or sweet pepper slices on top!

BTW: I have to tell you that intermittent fasting doesn't really work worth a damn for me. I've even gone on something called "fat fasts" and that backfired on me - mainly it dehydrates me and I don't lose an ounce of real weight at all.

Now: I'm of northern european descent - painfully white, blonde hair, blue eyes, and I'm over 6ft tall and about 220lbs right now. So if it didn't work for me because of ethnic reasons, you at-least know what general group I hail from.

I think it was you - I can't remember, will have to check - who said you don't count calories? I log everything, but I don't specifically do it to count calories or limit calories. I actually do better when I bust my calorie limit ever-so-slightly, while adding exercise to my daily routine. I don't seem to be able to do jack-squat with any diet lifestyle without adding exercise, which is A-OK by me, because the whole purpose for me is to improve my speed on the bicycle...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 16, 2015, 09:54:08 AM
Well that is good to know about the pizza and lactose, I was curious. It is definitely on my to try list at some point, which reminds me, it's Friday - Have to make something comfort-food-ish for hubs for supper tonight.

I don't know if intermittent fasting will work - but figured it was worth the experiment, especially because if it means going back to how I use to eat, just with more consciousness and education about what I should be eating, it won't be very hard. Actually I did it yesterday (before I looked into it) and was beating myself up because I forgot to eat breakfast...

Onward and Upward! ....er the scale can go downward, I'm ok with that ;)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 16, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
I don't know if intermittent fasting will work - but figured it was worth the experiment, especially because if it means going back to how I use to eat, just with more consciousness and education about what I should be eating, it won't be very hard. Actually I did it yesterday (before I looked into it) and was beating myself up because I forgot to eat breakfast...

Some people claim great success. I've tried it about 4 times now and am satisfied it don't do jack for me. (BTW: I'm sure I didn't screw anything up in how I did it. both intermittent fasting and fat fasts are pretty simple, not much to know.)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 16, 2015, 11:31:49 AM
Melissa from Whole30 just had a post about intermediate fasting, which was interesting.  Here's the link for your reading enjoyment:

http://whole30.com/2015/10/fasting/

My week has gone GREAT!  Feeling great still, sleeping rock hard every night, eating only when I'm hungry.  I'm itching to try some new recipes this weekend.  I have to crack open my Whole30 book tonight and see what I want to try next. I'm kinda craving some chicken curry, and that would be good over my cauliflower rice. :-)  This morning I weighed myself again and I'm down a few more lbs, but definitely not as much as last month. 

I'm also digging out some exercise DVDs.  Thinking about a little Les Mills Pump. Now I just gotta get the garage cleaned up so I have room to exercise.  I have exercise mats in the third stall of my garage (mainly for my boys to wrestle, etc) so I have a great place to exercise.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 16, 2015, 02:20:48 PM
Hi all, thanks for the support and encouragement. First 2 days have been fine. But I'm visiting husband's rellies in another city with lots.of sugar and carb laden celebrations. I have boiled eggs, roast beef salad, nut butter and tins of salmon in my bag.   For anyone who asks I'm experimenting with my food to alleviate my obvious seasonal allergies. Will try to focus conversation on others if possible. Have encountered 'that sounds faddish/too extreme' from some including hubby so just quietly doing my own thing for my own benefit. Am feeling more trim around my tummy and my rings are twirling on my finger and that's enough for now. Have just read about possible reactions as you move through the program and I totally understand now why I gave up on Day 10 last time. It's easy to think the kick ass feeling will last forever  but I'm prepared now for it not too. Keep up the good work everyone.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on October 16, 2015, 02:50:56 PM
For those interested in IF, Erica/NWEdible started a great thread on it a couple months ago.  I'd go find the link but I'm on my phone.

I've quit eating breakfast when  not hungry and it seems helpful to hold off on eating carbs early in the day.  Often I'll do bulletproof coffee, sometes with an egg in lieu of breakfast and I'm good until 1/or 2.  Reduces the amount of insulin response through the day.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 16, 2015, 03:01:32 PM
Melissa from Whole30 just had a post about intermediate fasting, which was interesting.  Here's the link for your reading enjoyment:

http://whole30.com/2015/10/fasting/


Yay for feeling great! Thanks for sharing the above link! Was interesting to see the whole30 take on it. A lot of what she says totally makes sense, especially if you are still on the first 30 days.

Thanks horsepoor, I had forgotten, I'll go check the thread out.

KiwiSonya - don't forget you have a support system here! Check in for encouragement and understanding when dealing with the relatives. There are quite a few of you who have been doing this journey without the participation/support of your SO and I just have to say how awesome you all are and how much I admire you! 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: cheddarpie on October 16, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
I'm replying so I can follow this thread. I haven't done it yet, but am looking forward to trying ... thanks for all the inspiration and support!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 16, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
I've quit eating breakfast when  not hungry and it seems helpful to hold off on eating carbs early in the day.  Often I'll do bulletproof coffee, sometes with an egg in lieu of breakfast and I'm good until 1/or 2.  Reduces the amount of insulin response through the day.

I've experimented with bulletproof coffee, or some type of version of it {coconut oil and ghee} and I have been really surprised on how full it keeps me ... plus I think it tastes like a latte!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on October 16, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
It's very latte like with an egg.  Just start blending the egg and slowly add in the first few ounces of coffee to temper the egg so you don't end up with scrambled egg coffee.  It gets really frothy.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 16, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
Despite being part of the Stocktober challenge, I broke down and bought some ketostix, to test if I'm in ketosis. Very firmly in ketosis! Rainbow pooping unicorn victory for Sir Samuel.

CONGRATULATIONS SS! I fondly remember the first time I ever lit up a ketostix. It's an awesome feeling to know you're burning the shit out of your own fat.

I think it was bracken_joy talking about how this changes over time? (I can't remember if it was her or not?) Whoever, they are 100% correct: as you go further in the journey, you don't light up the keto stick like in the beginning. I thought i was not in ketosis, but I had all the other signs, in spades. I finally wised up and realized there's a LOT of things that change when you go from having lots of fat for your body to convert, to not having quite so much for your body to convert.

BTW: MCT oil did nothing for me when I started, but now, it is awesome. When you get within 10 lbs or so of your goal weight, you gotta try some.

Thanks mefla, now I feel the love. It was Bracken_Joy who mentioned that ketostix eventually stop working, over on the Stocktober thread. I'm aware it might happen, and the sticks will probably be a one-time buy. I simply wanted to calibrate what I was feeling with some sort of actual diagnostic tool. Now that I've verified what ketosis feels like to Samuel, I won't need the sticks. Frankly, I only needed one, and it pained me to pay $16 bucks for 50. I seriously considered heading over to medical and asking for one, but I didn't want any weird notes going into a file that is used to yay/nay my deployments.

That pizza looks good, but the dairy would kill me. I'm envious of your continued cheese ability. My dairy tolerance shut down about 5 years ago, and I had to give it up. Milk now tastes gross to me, but I was always on the fence about straight cow juice anyway. Sadly, cheese still tastes great, despite the pain-pain-pain-vomit cycle it causes in my stomach.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on October 16, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
I'm replying so I can follow this thread. I haven't done it yet, but am looking forward to trying ... thanks for all the inspiration and support!

Now the only question is WHEN ARE YOU STARTING?  :-)  Just look at the great menu that 1967mama had for Thanksgiving.  Now's the perfect time to start, even with Thanksgiving coming fast.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 16, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
Thanks Swick! First family party went great. Amongst the laden table was home cooked roast lamb and chicken and there was huge salad with loads of vege and avo. Dressing was in a jug on the table so I left it off. I loaded up with meat and salad and it was yum! Offered to walk a baby around the garden at dessert time so no explanation required. Am saving my emergency rations for tomorrow.  Quite glad our host (mil) is babysitting for her grandkids tonight so we're in charge of dinner.  Will shop and make compliant dinner. Hubby noticed I didn't eat carbs but didn't make a big deal about it. I'm sure as long as he gets his bread/pasta/rice he won't be bothered. Today is looking sweet. Hope all is going well with the rest of you.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on October 17, 2015, 12:27:52 PM
This week I have been eating most foods with the exception of wheat. I did not do a proper reentro, as I intend to do another whole 30 starting tomorrow, and I was impatient.

Verdict: so not worth it. I knew I had problems with wheat and that I felt great when I ate paleo, but I had not realized how many subtle not-feeling-good signals my body sends when I eat say, corn quesadillas. I feel not quite right. It's not dramatic like it is with the foods I know myself to actually be allergic to, but it's not pleasant either.

Plus, with my sugar demons partially vanquished, it is way easier to listen to my body instead of my intestinal flora.

Tomorrow I am back on the bandwagon. I am getting tired of sweet potatoes and beef with salad and avocado, plus my job just ended so I have lots (too much) time. This time around I am going to try for a more involved cooking routine, at least until I fall into a good winter life pattern.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 17, 2015, 02:17:21 PM
Hi Botanist, I also felt vaguely not so good when I fell off the band wagon, gross when I ate dairy but just a bit non specifically crap the rest if the time. Reading Wheat Belly at MIL's - embarrassed to report that someone once asked me if I was pregnant before kids were on the scene -definitely have a wheat belly problem. Have survived a couple more meals away from home but not especially interesting or delicious food - will pull out all the stops when I get home. Attending a pizza and stawberry party at lunchtime - have a salad with tuna and an apple with nut butter to keep me going. Really glad I brought supplies otherwise I'd be in trouble. Sounds vain but pleased to be able to see ribs and perhaps even an ab if I suck my tummy in. Haven't seen those since I was a teenager so quite exciting! If I keep this up I might even be able to buy my first ever bikini this summer. Have had a tummy since I was a kid so never felt happy to show off my middle.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 17, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Sadly, my daughter slipped up today on her Day 5 and has to restart. She had one of those little vitamin C packets that you mix with water. She's been doing so well, too!

I've made it through Day 9 now (Day 13 since I started, but then had 2 restarts). You'd have to force me, at gunpoint, to eat something off plan at this stage of the game! I can't believe it!

Tomorrow, we are going out for Chinese food with our whole family. There's nothing that I feel I can safely eat there, so I'm going to eat in the car on the way, and then put a little food on my plate and push it around (haha! suggested to me earlier, and now I can really do it, because its just my own family) and then eat again when we get home. I made my son a birthday cake today too. It seemed yucky to me. The smell was sickly sweet. That is not something I would normally say. Instead, you would see me licking the batter off the spatula and out of the bowl ... seriously! And I thought I was a grown up! haha!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 17, 2015, 08:10:38 PM
I just got back from a 4 day stay on the Vegas Strip, living it up with some friends. I drank a lot of club soda. I dodged a lot of drunk people. I saw a Cirque du Soleil show. The Strip is surprisingly economical when you neither drink nor gamble, but it's too tacky for my taste.   

I found it easy to stay on-plan from a mental standpoint, but middling difficult from a logistics standpoint. I avoided obviously off-plan stuff like bread, dairy, and alcohol, but I strongly suspect every non-egg thing I consumed had fillers and sugars. Beyond keeping bread and potatoes off my plate, I did not interrogate waiters and I made concessions on restaurant choices when the larger group wanted to eat at more difficult restaurants. From a strictly legal standpoint I should tap out and restart, but fuck that noise. I stayed in ketosis on the Vegas Strip! I definitely displayed the mental toughness the Whole30 whinges about, despite the all the sugary bacon I stuffed into my maw.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 17, 2015, 08:28:35 PM
From a strictly legal standpoint I should tap out and restart, but fuck that noise. I stayed in ketosis on the Vegas Strip! I definitely displayed the mental toughness the Whole30 whinges about, despite the all the sugary bacon I stuffed into my maw.

You go guy! I won't facepunch you if you stayed in ketosis in The City of Sin.

Sugary bacon? WTF? Do you mean sugar used in curing, or does it actually have sugar ADDED to it?

And why on God's earth would anyone need to corrupt Nature's Most Perfect Food, Bacon, by adding sugar?!?!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 17, 2015, 09:36:43 PM
   

I found it easy to stay on-plan from a mental standpoint, but middling difficult from a logistics standpoint.

This is exactly what I'm facing with an upcoming weekend trip ... thanks for putting it into words for me, SS!:-)

kiwisonya, I can't imagine seeing actual ribs! haha! Good for you! That is a long and far away dream for me at this point, with 70+ pounds to lose. I really can't wait until the end of my first Whole30 to see what kind of weight I've lost, although the mental benefits alone have been extraordinary for me:-) At the end of Day 9 here, and I think that I will never, ever go back to eating that way again...is it unrealistic for me to say that already?

I was reading more of my Whole30 book today. I read the section where they ask you to eliminate dairy and grains, it makes me think, "Why would I ever want to add those back into my life?" I think I'm a serious candidate for a Whole60. Has anyone here every done 2 right in a row before?

I have a very fancy Christmas party to go to in the 2nd week of December and I"m afraid to buy my dress yet! haha! Nice problem to have, I guess. This would be a "Whole30 People Problems" issue, I guess. I was looking at dresses online today (a designer I know fits me every time) and I am really hesitant to buy a dress because I'm thinking, "One size smaller? Two sizes smaller?" Exciting to think about buying a smaller size, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 18, 2015, 01:44:15 AM
Good work on staying in ketosis in Las Vegas, Sailor Sam. Having lived on boiled eggs, nuts and salads for the past 2 days due to travel, I understand the implementation problems. Yay, occasion for a new dress in a new size, 1967mama. It may sound weird but having to replace my clothes was always one of my barriers to losing weight -that is until I did Marie Kondo's tidy up and realised that I didn't get joy from any of my clothes so who cares if I have to donate them and start from scratch? I survived a solid 2 days of family feasting and travel without incident and feel buoyed by that.  It is was one of the more challenging scenarios that I could imagine in my life and it went perfectly fine. Everyone was happy to see us and few asked questions about my separate food and those who did were curious and supportive rather than judgmental. In addition to noticing ribs this morning I have noticed more definition to my ankles, wrists and hands. Something I was eating was making me retain water! I'm also nowhere near as hungry as I used to be. Is nearly 9pm- I had a big snack at 3 and thought I would eat now when I got home but actually would rather sleep so off to bed I go. Keep up the good work everyone.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 18, 2015, 08:57:10 AM
1967mama, Sailor Sam, KiwiSonyia ~ Just wanted to say a big WTG to you all for avoiding temptation. It sounds like you are all doing great! Sailor Sam, mental toughness is a great way to put it and you all have it!:)

Tomorrow is technically my Day 30 --- Wow, I feel time has flown! {I didn't feel that way in the beginning, of course LOL} I am so happy I decided to do a W30 on a random Saturday last month... I could have continued to eat junk and felt awful for another 30 days but instead I decided to make some changes and I have NO regrets. Time would have passed, whatever I decided to do, and I am happy with the changes I've made in the past 30 days instead of doing nothing {hope that made sense}!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: amandapdx on October 18, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Hi, everyone! I've finally caught up on this thread - thanks for all the posts! I started Whole30 on a whim October 1, with way less planning and cooking than should have been implemented. It's going well 18 days in! I am not having any trouble staying on plan if I have foods at the ready. When I don't, I feel more deprived.

I'm lucky that there are a few restaurants near my work that specifically have paleo options (that are also Whole30 compliant or can easily be made that way), including a food cart with three locations plus a brick-and-mortar restaurant that is totally paleo and lists every ingredient. It's nice to have an eating-out option in a pinch.

I knew I had to change my habits after gaining weight due to having two kids and starting/running an ice cream company for 5 years, so I know it's going to take longer than 30 days to make up for all that. I think I'll ease into a paleo diet after my Whole30, with occasional breaks, though plan to do a nice reintroduction period first - I didn't think I had any issues with food before, but I suspect that process will turn up some issues.

KiwiSonyia! I'm going through the KonMari process now too - between KM, Whole30, and MMM, we have a lot in common!

Thanks, all - looking forward to participating a little now that I caught up!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 18, 2015, 09:57:52 AM
The Konmarie book has been sitting on my "to read" pile since May. Too many competing priorities.

My husband is at a community event today he ran into a friend of ours from university who is now a little famous.  I'm so glad I didn't go! I'm sooooo overweight ( 70+) and would have been so embarrassed! Further motivation to lose this crap-ton of fat and feel good about myself and my body again. Grrrr! I think I will investigate adding some exercise to move things along as was suggested above. I need to get back to that former self and not drag future self through this awful period of being so overweight. I never realized until now how crappy I was feeling all the time. Day 10 and I'm just feeling So. Much. Better. Physically and mentally.

Thanks to all the contributors on this board. You are having such and impact on me!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 18, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
Sugary bacon? WTF? Do you mean sugar used in curing, or does it actually have sugar ADDED to it?

And why on God's earth would anyone need to corrupt Nature's Most Perfect Food, Bacon, by adding sugar?!?!

Thanks! I assume the sugar is from the curing process. Well, clarification. Fancy bacon has sugar from curing. Unfancy bacon has a slurry of glucose, dextrose, and dextrins injected. Same with lunchmeat.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 18, 2015, 11:19:29 AM
Sugary bacon? WTF? Do you mean sugar used in curing, or does it actually have sugar ADDED to it?

And why on God's earth would anyone need to corrupt Nature's Most Perfect Food, Bacon, by adding sugar?!?!

Thanks! I assume the sugar is from the curing process. Well, clarification. Fancy bacon has sugar from curing. Unfancy bacon has a slurry of glucose, dextrose, and dextrins injected. Same with lunchmeat.

God help us on that. Maybe I need to go back to keeping/slaughtering my own hogs.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 19, 2015, 12:32:08 AM
Tonight I served my family a ham. I knew I wouldn't be eating it due because: nitrates. However, I thought I'd read the label for interest sake, and sure enough, in addition to the meat, there was salt, water and sugar! EWWWWWW!

For lunch today, 13 of us went out for Chinese food for my son's birthday. I looked at the menu online beforehand, and knew there wasn't a thing that I could safely eat, unless I made a special request for steamed vegetables with absolutely nothing on them but water. I decided that rather than do that, I would smuggle in a cooked chicken breast and a bag of baby carrots. The first course was lettuce wraps. I grabbed 2 big pieces of iceberg lettuce and broke up my chicken in them. As everyone was lifting their lettuce wraps up to eat, so did I! It was so great! I took a picture but haven't taken the time to get it onto imgur yet. I may add it later. Anyways, I helped keep the plates moving around on the glass lazy Susan in the middle of the big round table, and drank my water and lots of the green tea. I kept nibbling on carrots and left a chunk of lettuce on my plate to indicate to the wait staff that I was still eating. It totally worked! So happy with myself!
(http://i.imgur.com/IOmjao1.jpg)

Tonight, my cool 17 year old son (haha, I'm so biased) who has done a lot of reading on health, weight training, running and so on, suggested I do a Whole90 and that I'd be "ripped" by the end of that if I were a guy. He makes me laugh! Anyways, tomorrow, I'm going to tape down a post it note over the 30 on the cover of my book, and write a 90 on it instead. There's no reason why I shouldn't/couldn't just keep going, right? Like I'm not missing any vital nutrients or anything? I was thinking I would have one day at the end of each whole 30 to have a few things, maybe a piece of bread with some honey, a bowl of yogurt. I don't know what else, but it might help me get right on track the next day (and feel like crap). Any thoughts on a Whole90? (reminder: I have 70+ lbs to lose).

Has anyone ever noticed that their teeth feel better? Tonight, I can't stop running my tongue over my front teeth. They are sooooo smooth. They only ever feel this good the day of a dental cleaning, and I feel like I have pretty good hygiene (at least, they always tell me I do when I go to the dentist). I can't believe that more unique and wonderful side effects of Whole 30 are revealing themselves in my body! Fascinating!

I had a great thought about the dress dilemma I mentioned upthread. I can wear one of the dresses from 6-7 years ago that is still very lovely (classic styles, colours) but no longer fits me. Hope this isn't a pipe dream! I can't even imagine being able to wear one of those beautiful dresses again!

I was realizing that if I lose 15 lb per whole 30, I would be 45 lbs down by New Years! That would be amazing to me! I can't wait till the first time in my real life, someone notices my weight loss. It will be a while, I'm sure, but that will be a happy day for me! I haven't really told anyone except my immediate family and the girlfriends and boyfriends of the older kids (adults). They are all 100% supportive. I"m so very blessed! Tonight I thanked my husband for how much he is supporting me in this, and how I feel like he is proud of me:-)

One last random thought (and thanks for listening, to all who made it this far): I was desperate to weigh myself today. My daughter is hiding the scale from me, because she knows I'm a scale addict. I weighed myself one week in and now today was 2 weeks in (from first start date). It was really neat what she said to me; that I wouldn't change anything about the way I'm eating if the scale wasn't where I was hoping it would be. I guess it could be really motivating to see another big loss, but it could also be really discouraging if my weight hit a plateau this week. So I'm now a recovering scale addict, too! She is soooo bang on. I need to trust the program and trust the results I'm already seeing.

Have a great day, everyone!

ETA image upload - hope
It works!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 19, 2015, 01:14:35 AM
Awesome job on the meal out, 1967mama. I have come to the conclusion that most people are so preoccupied with themselves that you can really get away with almost anything if done with confidence. Good on you for going for Whole90 - I think I could do a Whole60 with you. The weekend was a biggie in that I made a promise to myself and kept it. My weight loss attempts in the past including Weight Watchers have been full of promises made and broken. In fact if I'm honest there are examples littered through my life. The fact that I followed through this time gives me great hope for all my future promises - my future self will love me for cracking that!
Love your wise kids 1967mama - I hopped on mils scales and was disappointed.  I'm glad I've lost mine in the attic somewhere as I am also a recovering scale addict. Now that you mention teeth mine are feeling like they've just been brushed and they were actually done 12 hours ago! I remember reading about reversing gum disease and 'bad teeth' on Marks Daily Apple.
Today is Round 2 Day 5 and the metallic taste in my mouth is back. Is actually a happy reminder of ketosis so pleased to have it really.  I haven't been at all 'kill all the things' today although have been tired after weekend travelling and sleeping in bad bed. Will just head to bed early to sort that.  Spent a record 2 hours grocery shopping (and gulp record $300 nz) but have secured provisions that a king in days of old would have been proud of - exotic fruits (tamarillos, passionfruit and new season strawberries), asparagus, smoked salmon, ground meat of every kind (usually just get beef but have really rowed the boat out with lamb, turkey and pork mince), also interesting and compliant condiments like preserved lemons, kimchi, sauerkraut,  harissa tapenade, smoked olives etc - feast at my house everyone! I know I can and should make a lot of those things myself but I want to see if I like them first! Right,  I'm off to make my first ever batch of mayo, wish me luck. Welcome Amandapdx, sure does sound like we have lots in common! Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 19, 2015, 08:02:03 AM
Hi All!

So awesome to hear about everyone's updates! GREAT JOB ON A WHOLE 30, LIZ!!!!

and WELCOME Amandapdx!!


It was a rather hard weekend for Hubs, he is feeling rather lost and unsure of what to eat/how to eat now. Part of what he misses is the exploration and adventure of trying new things/places (a new Thai place opened in Sept. He loves Thai and for our area its pretty exciting. He also doesn't seem to be doing super well on just Whole 30 foods. He had one week out of the whole thing where he was in "Tiger Blood" mode - but the rest of it he has really been struggling with energy levels.

 Everything he is comfortable cooking are grain/carb heavy so he wants to get in the kitchen and cook and feels bad because I am doing all the cooking and he really misses doing it all together. Got out of the funk a bit by making some tasty sundried tomato, basil and roasted red pepper burgers on lettuce leaf buns and chicken wings together. Not totally healthy, but compliant and seemed to have done the trick for now.

Also, I've been doing lots of research into sugar and cancer and all of that which has just depressed him further and we have been struggling with how to navigate his family. Despite having mentioned every time we see her that we aren't eating sugar, out of all the kids his Grandma asked us to bake a cake for Sunday's dinner for his mom's birthday. His mom "beat" according to conventional doctors, breast cancer a few years ago. She shouldn't be having sugar, we shouldn't be feeding her sugar. We know better. She should know better.

Yesterday we spent a few hours trying to find a naturally sweetened cake recipe that we could make so it would at least be not as bad. I gave up. Even a lot of the Paleo recipes have very high sugar content. I decided to make my own so I used fully compliant ingredients except for a little buckwheat. It actually turned out REALLY GOOD - except it won't pass muster with his family and we both know it. I would love to introduce his parents into this lifestyle, but it won't happen and chocolate is something that she loves so much, I don't think this would be the way to introduce her to it....So do we make a slightly more healthy, but still horrible cake for her?

I am so impressed by everyone who is navigating family, holidays, travel, birthdays, scales...you are all so inspiring, I love it, keep it up!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on October 19, 2015, 08:08:58 AM
Y'all are inspirational with sticking to this through dinners out, visits to families and nights on the Vegas strip.  I'm totally humbled!

I'm not quite as badass, but with encouragement from this thread, I packed a cooler full of paleo foods and will be bringing it along on my 3-night work trip this week.  I'm traveling by car with several other people, so it may be a little awkward, but I'm going to make it work.  I have to travel again the two following weeks and if I don't do this I'm going to be a total wreck by the end of it.

I have a half marathon and my birthday dinner November 7th, so I'm planning to jump into this all the way on November 8th!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 19, 2015, 12:30:29 PM
Sorry to hear hubby is struggling, Swick. I know mine would be the same. Carbs define his diet and it will take a radical mindset shift to change that. One good thing for me is that I am the shopper and cook and he will eat whatever I serve up. I remember you saying that potatoes helped -perhaps he needs them and other root vege on a daily basis? I have to keep reminding myself that everyone's body seems to run differently and we need to find solutions that allow for that so that everyone thrives.  I sympathise with your plight around the birthday cake. My feeling is that you need to lead by example rather than enforcing change on others -especially around culturally important matters like birthdays. Let your family see the amazing changes in you and they'll start asking how they can get there too. I don't think healthier cakes will do it! But I know it is hard because all around us people are literally killing themselves with their food choices and I often want to shake them and shout "Are you crazy giving your five year old Coca Cola!" . But then I remember that I'm nearly 40 and only now getting my shit together and this is a big focus in my life right now while others have other stuff going on...
Anyway,  to borrow Sailor Sam's phrase,  it is all rainbow pooping unicorns around here. My hormones must be changing because well, I woke up umm feeling frisky shall we say for the first time probably since having babies 6 years ago! A very unexpected and welcome development.  Am now plotting like an evil witch to sneakily change my families diet hopefully without them noticing. Hubby really enjoyed his scrambled eggs on a bed of spinach with smoked salmon and dill -just need to forget to put the toast with it. Hee hee hee (imagine rubbing gnarled witches hands together). Rock on everyone - you're all so great!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 19, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
Thank you swick!!!!  I am still trying to decide what I want to do post-Whole30 but I know I will continue to post here:)

Yum 1967mama ~ Your chicken wraps look delicious! My boyfriend and I made fajitas last night and I used cabbage leaves as my "tortilla," so kind of similar to yours.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 19, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
Oh yes, super congratulations, Liz. Do stay with us and let us know where to now. Love the lettuce/cabbage wrap idea -will be employing it in my house.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 19, 2015, 05:09:10 PM
Ack! Sorry for the ginormous picture! Does anyone know how to shrink a photo? I uploaded it with imgur. I am not a techie. haha.

horsepoor - You are definitely a badass making a plan to stick with Whole30 on a 3 night trip! I will be looking for your notes as I have to go away one night this coming weekend, and 2 whole days. So far, I've got some prosciutto, lara bars, hard boiled eggs, raw fruit and vegetables, unsweetened applesauces, and nuts planned for the trip.

kiwisonya - I'd love to have a partner while I attempt a Whole90! Good luck on your Whole60! I find that I'm buying more fancy stuff, condiments, meats and so forth also, but I need to invest in my health so I can be around for my beautiful family for many years to come!

swick - I never thought about a connection between cancer and sugar. I'm going to be doing a little research on that! Do you have any saved links that you found particularly helpful? If so, do post them here :-) Thanks!

Breakfast for me was 2 poached eggs with a big handful of tiny tomatoes and a sliced avacado. Lunch was a big mixed veggie and lettuce salad and a chicken breast (all made for me by my fabulous daughter last night!), dinner for the kids is sweet and sour meatballs and rice so I will pull some meatballs out for myself and make some Whole30 ketchup too. Veggies on the side, or maybe a salad. Better get myself together and get off the internet and get this meal going! hahah!

Will be spending the evening waiting for election results up here in Canada!




Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 19, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Tonight, for the first time, I felt realllllllly hungry. I think I didn't eat enough in the afternoon. By 6pm, I was actually famished. I haven't felt that feeling in a very long time (chronic overeater/grazer). But I almost felt kind of panicky and had to find quick, compliant food. My daughter quickly thought to do us each a baked potato in the microwave. I slathered on the clarified butter, salt and pepper ... boy did that taste good! I had made sweet and sour meatballs over rice for the kids, so I cooked about 8 little meatballs for myself, just plain, and then while they cooked, I made another batch of compliant ketchup. That stuff is so good! This version had ACV in it .. yum!

I have had a lot of emotional stress in the last week with some teenager problems <sigh> and that was resolved last night. Wow, did I ever sleep like a log! I've been waiting for sleep like that to come, since I've read about it on some websites and the Whole3o book.

I finally got out there and did a little exercise for the first time since starting the program. I walked about 20 minutes around the block with my husband and also jogged home from my neighbour's house later in the day (we live on acreage). When I got home from the quick jog, I actually felt nauseous! I'm soooo out of shape and carrying all this extra weight too. I have a long way to go. I have to lose 38 lbs to be out of the obese category on the bmi charts, and move back into the just overweight catergory <sigh>. Yep, I'm gonna need a Whole90!

I continue to marvel at the smoothness of my teeth and can't wait for other exciting body and mind changes as I move through the weeks. I've NEVER been this excited about a program before, and have never ever had this kind of success! So encouraging to see immediate results .. so motivating. I've definitely not moved through The Timeline. Its all been good except one day of an upset tummy and multiple trips to the bathroom that day. Maybe the challenge of sticking to it will come later for me? or maybe in my 2nd round of Whole 30?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on October 20, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
1967, its so exciting to follow your journey on this thread.  I am rooting for you from Idaho!

I didn't mean to infer that I'm doing W30 while traveling this week, but did bring my food and trying to stay 80% primal/low carb.  Last night I went out to a sports bar with my coworkers and had a chicken salad with cheese and whatever soybean oil based dressing that came with it.  At least I picked off the tortilla strips that I asked them to leave off. Caved on the warm peanut butter cookies the hotel though.  Today I made tuna salad for lunch with guac, bell pepper and some baked squash with cantaloupe on the side.  Better than eating burgers and donuts and I won't come home heavier than when I left.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 20, 2015, 10:58:06 AM
I found a post on r/keto forum (https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2ijm07/why_scales_can_lie/) that explains why scales are a terrible measurement tool, from a scientific instead of emotional standpoint. I know it's on the keto site, but don't be scared. The article speaks to all instances when people decrease carbs. I thought it might be applicable to the folks here. Enjoy.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 20, 2015, 04:26:44 PM
Great work sticking to the plan through emotional turmoil, 1967mama. We are all cheering for you. I found myself wanting something sweet after dinner which is about feeding my over active sugar dragon. Gave myself some olives and pickles to snack on but quickly realised I was still full from dinner and the dragon didn't want salty so left them on the plate. Been feeling a bit shaky and light headed on Day 7 - think my body is just gearing up for some fat burning now it realises the sugar supply has been cut off. Thanks for the link Sailor Sam. I think I need to toss my scales as they are an ongoing issue and I know that it is emotionally crap for me to keep getting on them. Keep up the good work everyone.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 20, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
I have no energy today. I feel like I'm dragging a dead weight around. Nevermind -can't be all unicorns can it. Will try and have an afternoon snooze. Guess this is carb flu. Hope it clears soon:)
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 20, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
KiwiSonya, based on the reading I've been doing, carb flu can be caused or worsened by misbalances in electrolytes. The necessity of adding sodium, potassium, and magneisum is highly accepted on keto sites, but doesn't seem to be mentioned on the Whole30 side.

You could try eating a couple bananas, and sprinkling 1/8th tsp salt into a cup of water. If you don't like bananas, you can try LoSalt, which is a mix of potassium and sodium. It's both low cost, and the perfect combination for low carb folks.

Per ususal, not a doctor, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
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Post by: Liz on October 20, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
I've been craving chinese foods for a LONG time, so for something special tonight, I made a paleo mu shu pork {pork, cabbage, egg, bamboo shoots, mushrooms, with ginger and coconut aminos} I made a W30 compliant hoisin sauce to go with it but honestly, it didn't even need it. The sauce recipe called for 3 medjool dates and the sauce seemed almost too sweet for me {but delicious}. I only used about a tablespoon of the sauce and my boyfriend used the rest. I can tell my tastebuds have changed!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 20, 2015, 09:06:22 PM
Thanks Sailor Sam, will try the banana and salt trick now. No cautions required for me -it's all one big experiment!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 20, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
Sounds yum Liz. I know what you're saying about taste buds changing. This banana I'm eating tastes super sweet!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 21, 2015, 02:59:25 AM
Thanks Sailor Sam, feeling much better after the banana. How are the rest if you doing? Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on October 21, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
I read a hilarious line in a Jim Gaffigan book the other night. He said, "I haven't been hungry in 12 years." That is so me! I love how I'm feeling full and then hungry again. New feeling for me, believe it or not!

Liz - I would love it if you could share your recipe for paleo mu shu pork. Sounds delicous!

Kiwisonya - Are you feeling better from your carb flu? I went and looked that up - interesting! Thanks for the support on the emotional junk I was going through last week. Soooo much better now!

Sailorsam - I have been adding sea salt to things like eggs and tomatoes and so with your helpful information, I will keep on doing so.

Horsepoor - Thanks for the support - how did your trip go? What foods did you take that were compliant? My trip is this weekend.

I was wondering, out of interest, what day of the Whole30 (or other program) everyone is on? I'm on Day 14 (day 17 with 2 restarts). I'm planning on another Whole30 with a one day break in between.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 21, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
Glad the salt and banana suggestion was helpful to folks.

'67mama, I'm on day 25. Typing that out makes me realize I should come up with a post-whole30 plan. I've been putting the decision off, but that strategy isn't going to work much longer.

I could stay in ketosis, which means my food choices wouldn't change very much from the Whole30 plan. I like the way I feel in ketosis, but do occasionally feel restricted. And, oddly enough, I don't want too lose too much weight. I've found that 10 lb drops are sustainable. Trying to lose more in a single round of dieting has always resulted in re-expansion. I'm not sure if the issue is physiological or psychological, but the phenomenon is real.

Right now, I have a vague plan to try and find the exact level of carbs that will maintain my current weight. I'll probably add potatoes and legumes back, while still avoiding sugar like the plague. In three months, or so I'll go back into ketosis and try to lose another 10 lbs.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 21, 2015, 06:19:04 PM
Hi folks, feeling much better today. Luckily, as I spent the morning running around with 15 under 5 year olds (Playcentre -which is parent run early childhood education). Interesting to hear about your post Whole30 plans. It's great to have you mentoring us! 1967mama, glad you are through the teenage problems, well, for now anyway. I'm Round 2, Day 8. Was offered temptations at Playcentre but no way sm I starting from scratch again!
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Post by: Cranberries on October 21, 2015, 07:09:20 PM
1967mama, I am on day 2 of my second whole 30 with a week break in between. My partner is joining me this time round and he does not have any weight to lose, so we are trying to be a little more systematic about the whole thing. Also, I am cooking a lot more then I usually do. I actually paid for a meal plan service (realplans). So far the food has been great and it is bumping me out of some cooking ruts, but it will take some fine tuning to scale it to an amount of kitchen time that is sustainable for me.
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Post by: horsepoor on October 21, 2015, 09:54:45 PM
Horsepoor - Thanks for the support - how did your trip go? What foods did you take that were compliant? My trip is this weekend.


I brought canned fish - both tuna and kippered herring, little packs of guacamole (figured they were less damage prone than actual avocados), a couple veggies - bell pepper, carrots and broccoli all held up well - and some fruit.  Brought tomatoes but forgot about them and they got squished. I had Qwest bars since they're very low carb, but probably not Whole30 compliant.  Also had Kind Bars, but raw nuts could sub for those.  If I'd known was going to have refrigeration (different hotel each night for 3 nights), I would have brought hard boiled eggs.  Oh, I also had a baked acorn squash.  Plain yogurt for breakfast but obviously that's not compliant.  So yeah, not exactly Whole30, but also not the worst while traveling.  I also had some beef jerky and Hail Merry macaroons.  Might bring coconut butter for caloric emergencies if doing a real W30. 
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 21, 2015, 10:09:21 PM
Hi 1967mama, don't forget to look for opportunities to eat compliant food if available.  If doing hotel breakfast you might find fruit or scrambled eggs etc. I found that if I ate any compliant food I happened upon then I could fill in around the edges with my supplies. I second tinned fish, hard boiled egg (which would probably be alright for a day or two without refrigerator), carrots, capsicum. Have a fun weekend!
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Post by: Liz on October 22, 2015, 08:25:24 AM
1967mama -- it looks like there are a few recipes out there but I used is this recipe (http://paleomagazine.com/paleo-chinese-mu-shu-pork/)
and this one (http://zippitydodahhealthyeating.blogspot.com/2014/12/hoisin-sauce.html) for the sauce.

Let us know how your trip goes!
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Post by: swick on October 22, 2015, 08:56:48 AM
Great to hear how everyone is doing and has been able to help each other. Haven't had a chance to pop in the last couple of days.

I think many people quit or run into a problem around day 10 or so because your feeling super good at first and then you crash and feel like shit and it lasts for a few days at it is right around then that you assume it isn't working/not worth it. I probably would have given up if I hadn't of read the book and timeline and knew to expect it. IT DOES GET BETTER!!

We are on Day 45 or so of the process. I think after you do it for a while it just becomes routine so you don't keep track of the days. I feel like my body has created a new baseline which I am really liking and is fitting really well with my schedule.

Sleep: In bed by about 10 and up at 5:30 - I'm getting solid, deep sleep, very little waking up, very little mental chatter. I have been a life-long insomniac so this is HUGE.

I make Hubs and I breakfast and I'm usually working by about 7:00. Finish up between 12-1 and spend the afternoon making supper and taking the pup for a walk down to the river. I have been noticing it is getting much easier, starting to jog a little bit of the way and getting out there consistently. This is again a pretty big deal for me since usually I don't have the energy to contemplate even going for a walk by the time afternoon rolls around. I have also pulled out and started using my flow wand, which always makes me feel awesome and am figuring out how to get my mini-tramp set up without bringing down our book shelves :)

Also, only relevant to the ladies, (or those with significant others who have issues) but my hormones are balancing themselves out and this is the second month in row I have not had ANY period cramps. For me this is MAJOR as they are usually so bad I lose two days each cycle at least curled up in a ball of pain and have been this way for just about 20 years.

Hubs got super excited because he was able to use a brand new hole on his belt loop :D He has also had the energy in the evenings to do some of his hobbies. At my insistence (I might of trained him TOO GOOD in the ways of the mustache) He bought some paint and has been painting the mini's that have come with several of our games. He is happier than he has been in ages. The early morning/work time has always been hard on him, but he has actually been waking up easier and had the "glow" and energy from being able to paint the night before - his words :) Me thinks he is a bit of an artist trapped in an Engineering job.

We have reintroduced buckwheat and chia seeds thus far. Last night we had some organic pork sausages not sure if they had gluten in them or not, or just really high level of Salt? but my gut was HATING me and very vocal. This was the only different thing we ate. ...hmmm I just had a thought...they feed their pigs the spent organic grains from our local brewery...I wonder if any of that gluten would still be around? We haven't tested any of the other grains or gluten yet.

Hubs had a really good, long! convo with his mom last night, ahead of our family dinner on Sunday. Talked about the process and how he is feeling and the results he is seeing. He was also very clear that we don't expect anyone to accommodate us, we will just choose which foods we want to eat and how much. Hoping this will make a difference and be remembered!

Hope you all have an awesome, health-filled day!




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Post by: mom22boys on October 22, 2015, 11:54:11 AM
Hi All! I've MIA for a while too. It's pretty exciting to have some new people joining us too!  Welcome horsepoor! (and I think I'm missing someone else too :-)).

This weekend I took the plunge and added more exercise.  I've been walking about 2-3 times a week, but now added the 21 day fix exercise videos, which I really like.  They are only 30 minutes, which is very doable. My legs hurt SOOOOO bad on Monday. Walking up and down the stairs at work, ouchhhh! And don't get me started on trying to sit down on the toilet!  (sorry if TMI :-))

This weekend I also made the tuna cakes from NomNomPaleo.  They are so YUMMY!  They are the perfect blend of sweet, hot, citrus, fish. Even my boys LOVED them. Luckily I made a double batch, so I had a few meals from them.

Thanks also to SailorSam for the link to the scale article.  I haven't thrown my scale out yet, but I'm pretty close. I realized about 4 months ago that that scale was only full of lies, and just made me feel bad.

1967mama - Good luck with your trip!  You have all the tools (and food) to crush this!

Oh, almost forgot that yesterday was my first step into reintro, kinda unplanned.  Yesterday was lunch for a coworker that is leaving. It was at an Italian restaurant. I was able to limit my reintro to only dairy, at least I think it was only dairy (cheese). Then last night I had a little cheddar cheese with supper. I could tell I was more bloated after eating it, and still this morning. But, I'm back to fully compliant today, and that feeling is gone already. I didn't sleep super hard last night too, so that may also be a small side affect from the dairy. Nothing else though...no stomach aches or anything else.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 22, 2015, 01:00:25 PM
Welcome back Swick and Mum22boys. Was a bit quiet around here earlier this week but great to have you back. Swick, it's awesome to here about your changes -2 extra days a month more to your life from now on - yippee! Glad hubby has come out of the dark phases and feeling good. And getting into more exercise is great for both of you.
I have been enviously reading about your good sleeps -which I haven't had for about 6 years -until last night. Slept like a log from 10.30-7. It was like I was unconscious.  Feel great for it. And huge for you Swick if you have had insomnia.  My kids waking had made me a light sleeper but hopefully no more! Day 9 for me. I have a bit of a cold but nothing major. Chicken broth has been in the slow cooker for 12 hours so that should help. This way of eating is becoming second nature so it feels more natural and  doesn't consume my day as it did earlier. Have a happy and healthy day everyone!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 22, 2015, 03:47:07 PM
Kiwisonya - I'm hoping that jumping back into a second Whole30 is as easy as the first. I'm glad to see you've made it this far and have the same attitude that I have right now, which is "There's NO WAY I'm starting again!" I'm afraid to eat at the hotel restaurant, though! What about if they put butter on the pan to cook the eggs? Fruit, I can see. Or like if I order a steak or chicken, will it have butter, non-compliant seasonings. aaaaahhhhh!

Swick - Nice to see you again! Are you out enjoying this fabulous BC weather? Love the sun! I am so excited to hear about your sleeps! I, too, and a lifelong insomniac. Last night I was up until around 2:30am -- not fun when I have a whole passel of kids to be a mama to today :-/ However, I think that I am coping ok today because of the way I'm eating. I'm tired but I don't have that brain fog anymore. I can't wait to have these  heavy sleeps that everyone is talking about! haha! I have had one or two since I started. I'm going to start laying off the caffeinated tea earlier in the day to see if that helps (yesterday was 4pm). I'm also experiencing hormonal changes and found this month to be way lighter and more manageable. Usually day 2 is rather out of control (Sorry, TMI). I love how these body changes keep surprising me. Last night, I almost thought my wedding rings were feeling a tiny bit loose???

Mom22boys - Thanks for mentioning that recipe - I have the Nom Nom Paleo cookbook out of the library right now and will take a gander!

Liz - I LOVE the looks of that recipe. I haven't made pork yet during my Whole30 so will enjoy that next week sometime. I can't wait to report back on my trip, actually! I'm loving that we have this little gang here to share our successes and slipups with! I will have plenty of time on my own while on the trip, reading and relaxing, while my husband is at meetings. Its a business trip but I get to tag along. I'm sure I will be able to post up to the minute reports ;-) haha

Botanist - I was wondering, how did you feel on your week off of Whole30? I can't decide how long to take off between my first and 2nd Whole30. I have over 70 lbs to get back to a healthy weight, so I need to do another two, or three, I'm guessing.

Sailor Sam - I haven't done a lot of reading about ketosis -- in a nutshell, would it be basically Whole30 without the fruit? I really should read up on this. Might help me shed the fat I have accumulated over the years. Its weird, because I already feel more "trim" even though, I'm obviously not after just 15 days. I'm tall (5'11') so I think I carry the weight all over more, and just look tall and big rather than tall and fat. Ha! Staying off the scale. I've only weighed once, and that was at the end of week one (with 2 restarts) -- I had lost 4.8 lbs. That was all I needed to see.

Has anyone heard of the Trim Healthy Mama (http://www.trimhealthymama.com/) eating plan? The Testimonials section is amazing! They seem to be ok with full some dairy like greek yogurt/cottage cheese/cheddar cheese and whole grains like rice and oats in addition to all of the Whole30 compliant foods.  If you are eating bread, you have to do it homemade as a sourdough. They are all about the blood sugar, keeping you balanced throughout the day. They allow stevia and 70% or higher chocolate. I have a friend who has lost 45 lb on it and feels terrific. I was thinking about this for after my 2nd or 3rd Whole30 as a way to continue my health and weight loss journey. I'd appreciate any feedback on this program from those more experienced than myself. I need a way to eat for life :-)

ETA more about Trim Healthy Mama
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Post by: swick on October 22, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
Swick - Nice to see you again! Are you out enjoying this fabulous BC weather?

Ermmm...totally busted :D This is my first October being back in "southern" BC so the fact that it isn't bitingly cold and snowing, well, I'm trying to enjoy every minute of it. My tomaotes are still growing!

The last couple of days have been a nutty explosion of awesome conversations, synchronicities and business development for me. Besides the Whole 30 I have been doing some more inner work and outward business development. All the pieces are fitting neatly into place and it seems the last couple of days I can't keep up!

One of the most Awesome things about the whole 30 is you really notice that 30 days can change your life and set a new foundation.

1967mama  and KiwiSonya- for sleep, laying off the caffeine really helps. I use to be a quad shot affagato for breakfast kinda gal (I use to manage a coffee shop) now it's one mug of tea in the morning, I went into Whole 30 drinking coffee every morning, but about day 8 or so I just kinda lost interest. I still enjoy the taste but just didn't seem to have any desire to drink it. And honestly, I think if I had much more caffeine these days I would be crazy jittery, I seem to have enough natural energy as it is, Yay!

Also, and this is a HARD one to do ( I am a reformed night owl) but going to bed before 10:00 really helps there have been quite a bit of studies ont he quality of sleep you get and the sleep from the 10-12 range is the most restorative. You can also play around with tracking your sleep cycles. We go through several full cycles each night, if you happen to have it timed so your alarm goes off when you are in the middle of the deepest part of the cycle you will wake up groggy and not feeling rested.

For hormone balancing, I would suggest trying inhailing Vitex Essential Oil. It is awesome stuff! It is self-regulating if you need it the smell will appeal to you, if you don't it won't. BONUS: across the board every single male I have asked to smell it is very adverse to it. Handy if you want to keep the teenage boys away ;) Also handy for cramps and menstrual pain. (Umm not a trained Doctor, but am in the process of getting my Registered Aromatherapist designation)

Liz - Hoisin Sauce - WHO HOO! I was just saying to hubs I need to find a good recipe for it, we have missed using it!

Mom22boys - I might have to try the nom-nom fishcakes. You make them sound so good! I haven't been eating much fish because it is expensive here (and I don't want to go the farmed route) and I've been kinda avoiding the tuna as we are still undecided about kidlets, not sure if I want the mercury. But I really, really miss it!

Oh thoughts on the eating plan 1967mama - I think the point of the whole 30 is to figure out a way of eating that works for you! There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their plan, if it works for people, awesome! But you are going though this process - you may as well see what works exactly for you and once you do, take what applies from the various sources :)

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Post by: 1967mama on October 22, 2015, 05:11:30 PM
Swick, Interesting that you found around Day 8 that you didn't desire coffee/tea anymore. As I posted earlier, I was a die hard tea addict. I drank a lot yesterday (A LOT!) and I think I paid for it last night. I have stopped today already (4pm) except for herbal. I really don't have the desire like I used to. I was stressed yesterday so I think that's what happened with the excessive drinking.

I've never heard of Vitex Essential Oil so I'm going to do some research on that -- how interesting! I love my aromatherapy diffuser but mostly I just use blends from Sage or Choices.

I picked and enjoyed 3 tomatoes from my plant yesterday. I love love love this weather!
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Post by: horsepoor on October 22, 2015, 09:50:26 PM
Has anyone heard of the Trim Healthy Mama (http://www.trimhealthymama.com/) eating plan? The Testimonials section is amazing! They seem to be ok with full some dairy like greek yogurt/cottage cheese/cheddar cheese and whole grains like rice and oats in addition to all of the Whole30 compliant foods.  If you are eating bread, you have to do it homemade as a sourdough. They are all about the blood sugar, keeping you balanced throughout the day. They allow stevia and 70% or higher chocolate. I have a friend who has lost 45 lb on it and feels terrific. I was thinking about this for after my 2nd or 3rd Whole30 as a way to continue my health and weight loss journey. I'd appreciate any feedback on this program from those more experienced than myself. I need a way to eat for life :-)

ETA more about Trim Healthy Mama

Haven't heard about this one, but thought I'd mention Perfect Health Diet and Tim Feriss' 4-Hour Body.  One has rice, one has beans. ;)  Both are are a little more Mustachian than W30.  When I did W30 last January, I got a nasty cold towards the end, ended up at Chipotle since I didn't have the energy to cook and my body was screaming at me for the white rice.  I relented, and that serving of white rice made me feel SOOO much better.  Incidentally, white rice is the made addition to regular paleo advocated by the PHDiet.  We eat it in our house about once a week; it's a nice cheap ingredient and seems to agree with me.  Same with black beans and lentils.  I found that kidney beans were a no-no after W30. 

Kiwisonya - I'm glad you got the advice on the banana. I ate one almost every day on W30.  Seems to be a good starch and didn't drive me towards other sugar cravings.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 23, 2015, 12:35:10 AM
Hi all, still trying to tweak meal sizes and times to avoid snacking. Breakfast at 7am lasts until lunch at 12 (which in itself is a minor miracle as I used to eat on a 2 hr schedule when high carb), then I can survive until kids dinner at 5-5.30 but can't last until hubby eats at 7. Habit has been to have supper but that is a dangerous place where on Whole30 dates have come to be my sugar crutch - not just one either. I'm trying to eat more at dinner to help me last until bedtime but then I feel uncomfortably full which probably isn't the best.   Any ideas? I'd love to come out of this experience having kicked both my sugar cravings and my snacking habits.
On the caffeine front I have kicked black tea to the curb as I don't like it without milk. Have been enjoying a strong coffee with coconut for breakfast and have been having a nice herbal at bedtime. Probably an improvement from 5-7 cups of white tea scattered throughout the day!
Take care everyone. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on October 23, 2015, 12:53:44 AM
Sailor Sam - Would you mind posting one or two of your favorite keto sites? I'd like to do some reading but don't know where to begin. Also, if a person were to eat a paleo diet post-Whole30, where would be the best place to read up on that, if you happen to know.

Kiwisonya - Do mean you eat a lot of dates? I bought myself a box of Medjool dates and have enjoyed one a day for most of my Whole30. I, too, find it to be miraculous that I can make it from breakfast to lunch without eating anything else! haha! But just today, I was wondering if there is anything I can eat besides egggggggggggs! ugh! I'm having trouble facing eggs in the morning, and in fact today, I had to have an apple and almond butter. I just couldn't face eggs after a brutal night of very little sleep. I was craving a nice warm bowl of oatmeal <sigh>. Maybe I should make oatmeal my first trial food in my re-introduction phase??

Someone at my daughter's workplace asked if she'd lost weight .. she's pretty happy about that! I'm waiting for that day, when someone who doesn't know I'm on a plan notices that I look like I've lost weight!

When I'm away this coming weekend, I'm planning on doing a lot of reading and some walking. I don't normally have this kind of time to myself (husband in meetings, kids and teens at home with my adult daughter) so I can't believe I will just get to do whatever I want! yay!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 23, 2015, 02:06:35 AM
I've tried to be careful about the dates - one a day at first but on my carb flu day I got through 3 in a row. Hardly a packet of choc biscuits but probably not great. I hear you about getting sick of eggs for breakfast.  I've been alternating eggs and dinner type meals and have found that to work well so far. Yay for your trip - I know how scarce 'me' time can be when you're a mum, so enjoy every minute.
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Post by: Liz on October 23, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
1967mama ~ That sounds like the best kind of business trip;) Definitely come to this thread if you get bored! I have not heard of the plan you mentioned, but I am about to look at the link you posted. I have been enjoying researching different ways of eating. As much as I love the W30, I know being strict, 100% compliant with the rules is not a forever thing for me.

I've actually never eaten a date plain -- only used them in recipes or for making almond milk. They do have a delicious smell to them. I'm scared I would eat the whole box LOL.

swick ~ Let me know if you try that hoisin sauce! It calls for 3-4 dates, but I'm going try it with less next time.  I like it even better than the Sunshine Sauce in Well Fed.:)
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 23, 2015, 09:44:22 AM
Sailor Sam - Would you mind posting one or two of your favorite keto sites? I'd like to do some reading but don't know where to begin. Also, if a person were to eat a paleo diet post-Whole30, where would be the best place to read up on that, if you happen to know.

Oh sure. The top sites I use are reddit.com/r/keto (https://www.reddit.com/r/keto), ruled.me (http://www.ruled.me/), and Marks Daily Apple (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/). MDA isn't specifically keto, but there are many paleo folks to decided to go into ketosis. The forum is particularly helpful.

If you do decided to try nutritional ketosis, I highly suggest reading one of Gary Taubes' books. Knowing the scientific background reduces a lot of panic, angst, and doubt. Why We Get Fat, and What to do About It (http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About-ebook/dp/B003WUYOQ6) has a good scientific review for people with less science background, and Good Calories, Bad Calories (http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes-ebook/dp/B000UZNSC2/ref=pd_sim_351_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41MooPM7XdL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR108%2C160_&refRID=1PFP11S5FBRVYF6MN1D2) has much denser science review people who understand the scientific process.

It's also very easy to make Whole30 ketogenic. Take the approved eating list, and cross out potatoes, squash, and fruit. Once you do that, you're down to meat, and leafy greens. Unless you can eat 2 heads of cabbage in one sitting, you're gonna be in ketosis. Sadly, a lot of keto recipes rely on huge portions of dairy, and use the replacement method, instead of doing without (e.g. stevia, instead of no sweetener). You end up with a lot of weird non-food ingredients. I had a lot more luck searching whole30 recipes, and avoiding the potatoes.

Good luck. Start with the FAQ on r/keto!
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Post by: swick on October 23, 2015, 10:14:24 AM
KiwiSonya - We too found we were pretty much fine for breakfast and lunch, but for some reason eating enough at dinner has been a struggle - more for Hubs. What has been working for him is eating earlier round 5:30-6 eating as much as needed to feel satisfied and then IF he feels the physical hunger before bed he will have an apple or banana or something - We have both gotten better at realizing which hunger signals our body is giving us as if it is the right ones, we go with it, if that means having a snack throughout the day or before bed, so be it.

Dates are actually pretty healthy for you *but yes, high in natural sugars*  The main reason to stay away from them if they are becoming a substitute or stand-in to feed your sugar dragon. It is not fun but if you can break that bond life will be so much easier! Remember "Sugar Dragon" is a nice PC way of saying addiction - mental - emotional - psychological - physiological addiction.

Sipping some licorice root tea, or chewing on a root if you can find it, helps. So does peppermint, but you might not want to have it before bed.

Liz - I will totally let you know! Hoping to get to it this week! Have to admit I've been struggling with the cooking part, been so busy and just had this strong desire the last few days to keep everything as simple as possible.

1967mama - I am so, so, so excited for you for your trip. I hope it is relaxing and rejuvenating and you get to do something just for you that feeds your soul and creativity too! You deserve it!

Eggs and breakfasts This was, by far our biggest struggle. Hubby doesn't like eggs. He will tolerate them, but breakfasts have always been a challenge. It is also challenging to find a compliant whole 30 breakfast food that is not eggs that is fast and I can make in 10 minutes while Hubs is in the shower at 5:45 in the morning.

What we did:

Monkey Bowls - chopped up Banana, toasted coconut, a few raisins a drizzle of almond butter and a splash of coconut milk.

Eggs - we figured out how he liked them the most and discovered he likes Duck eggs better than chicken eggs (I know not an option for most)

Crepes - I know this is a SWYPO food for many people. For us, it isn't and totally saved my sanity (and kept Hubby on the program) We made them out of Chestnut flour, coconut milk and eggs. I would make a batch on Sunday that we stuck in the fridge and reheated in the toaster oven throughout the weekday mornings. I just had to make or reheat a quick filling - fruit sauce thickened with a bit of arrowroot, apples sauteed in coconut oil with some cinnamon, sauteed peaches and toasted pecans... or chopped banana with some almond butter. Then we topped with a bit of coconut milk solids  from the fridge. They are very filling and set Hubs up for a good day.

Since finishing the "official" whole 30 we have made them with Buckwheat flour. It is MUCH cheaper and Hubs said they are as good or better.

Smoothie - Yes I gave in twice on super hectic mornings and made hubs a smoothie - frozen Banana, coconut milk, water, chia seeds, hemp hearts and bee pollen. I get why they don't want you to do it, especially if you are use to protein shakes and commercial smoothies, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Thinking in terms of "meal 1" Meal 2" Meal 3" instead of Breakfast, lunch, and dinner can be very useful as well. Makes it easier to think about using Dinner leftovers for breakfasts.
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Post by: tallen on October 23, 2015, 12:59:17 PM
I've been a MarksDailyApple reader for a couple years now but I haven't been able to stay eating healthy long term. I'll do good for a while and fall off over and over. I started out at about 240. It seems the pattern is lose 10, fall off and gain 5, lose 10, fall off and gain 5. I've just gained my 5 and am at 205 (I made it under 200) and am ready to start eating right again(as soon as that damn pack or oreo's is gone from my sight! lol). I'm doing a "no screen November" (no tv or internet for a month) so I won't be here updating but just wanted to pop in and say I'm with you.
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Post by: Cranberries on October 23, 2015, 01:55:28 PM
Botanist - I was wondering, how did you feel on your week off of Whole30? I can't decide how long to take off between my first and 2nd Whole30. I have over 70 lbs to get back to a healthy weight, so I need to do another two, or three, I'm guessing.

Not all that great. I went back to eating whatever I wanted as long as it was not a known problem, so no wheat, basically. I didn't feel awful, but I didn't feel great either. I had trouble falling asleep, woke up with my stomach twisting in the mornings, bloated a bit, had a little joint pain, felt a little brain foggy after some foods, and had mild to moderate digestive issues. Also my leg cramps started to come back. I hadn't even noticed that they had been gone. None of these were ground shattering symptoms, but cumulatively their return was pretty noticeable.

I think two or three days would have been plenty of time off between W30's to figure out that I didn't want or need to eat that way, and a week was more then I needed. After this whole 30 I will probably do a more controlled reentro of a couple of foods and try to pinpoint what it was that caused the above symptoms. I suspect that tragically it was mostly the dairy, considering that was most of what I added back.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 23, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
Welcome Tallen, we are trying to make this thread a long stayer so we'll be here when you're ready.
Beautiful spring day here in New Zealand and I am kid free so have been in a frenzy of decluttering and cleaning. There's something about spring that encourages fresh starts. Excited to have my homegrown lettuce and herbs as part of my lunch.
Last night around 9.30 when hubby suggested supper and assembled a small plate with one date and some olives, pickles etc I started having some but realised I was not at all hungry - despite having dinner at 5.30. It is definitely a family habit rather than a need. Tonight I will take my herbal tea to bed with my book instead. Aiming for a date free day because you're right Swick, this is just feeding my sugar addiction.
Sorry your reintroduction was a bit shit, Botanist. That's exactly how I felt when I fell of the wagon. Not keen to go back there.
Hoping I am burning the flab as the metallic taste is back in a small way a couple of hours after eating until I eat again. Have tonnes of energy so am using that to spring clean.
Hope all is well with you. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 24, 2015, 01:00:52 AM
I had a challenge today, but it didn't hit till late afternoon/dinnertime. I had eggs and steamed spinach today which tasted oddly delicious after my breakup with eggs yesterday (apple and almond butter). Lunch was a big salad with a whole head of romaine (a small one), handful of carrots, snow peas (or whatever they're called - the kind that is compliant), 1/2 a bell pepper, a stalk of celery and a chicken breast, topped with EVOO and balsamic vinegar.

I ended up going out mid/late afternoon in an unplanned errand excursion with my husband. While out, I went for a walk with a good hill, hauling 2 bags of library books. I kind of missed a healthy protein/carb snack mid afternoon and ended up putting back a fruit bar, a lara bar and a fruit juice. When I got home, I had a bowl of grapes to stave off the hunger and control my shakes. I was making salmon for dinner but had to heat the oven, prep the fish and pan, and then wait 15 minutes for it to cook.  I felt terrible all evening and twice had a headache. I drank lots of water and had my salmon and butternut squash with clarified butter.

I feel better now (11:45pm) but feel like I learned a lot from this incident. I am not usually a scheduled eater, but a grazer (hence my delight with the Jim Gaffigan quote, "I haven't been hungry in twelve years!" So that's how I missed a proper Whole 30 snack in the afternoon. I don't want to make that mistake twice!

Sailor Sam - Thanks for posting the links and making it super easy for me to look them up! I'm saving them for my weekend of reading:-) I've now ordered both the Taubes books from my public library.

Botanist - Sorry you felt so crummy after a week of post-Whole30 eating. That's what I was afraid of. I think one day (or maybe 2) might be all I need. I'm really craving grains so I may try a day with oatmeal, rice and quinoa (keeping wheat in a category of its own like I just read on the reintroduction phase in my Whole30 book).

Swick - I like the sound of your Monkey Bowls! We read about Monkey Salad so have been doing the bananas, nuts and coconut thing, but yours are enhanced with lots of yummy goodness! Can we just use ordinary unsweetened grocery store coconut or does it have to be fancy flakes from the health food store. They're so darned expensive!

Liz - At some health food stores and grocery stores, they sell smaller boxes of Medjool dates. They're nothing like baking dates. Its like comparing M and M's and Belgian Chocolate ;-)

Tallen - Thanks for popping by! Wishing you well on your screen free November ... that could be harder than the Whole30! Come back and join us in December .. I have found our little community within a community INCREDIBLY supportive and helpful! Like Kiwisonya said, we are trying to keep this thread around so do share your successes and trials so we can all continue to learn from each other.
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Post by: Liz on October 24, 2015, 08:49:11 AM
I am totally interested in doing a "clean eating/paleo/Whole30" version of keto! I like the idea of keto, but I don't know about eating a lot of cheese. I'm okay with butter though and maybe a little heavy whipping cream {haven't reintroduced it yet though}. Thank you for the book recs, Sailor Sam! I've been poking around the keto subreddits. I've been testing out the waters by making breakfast and lunch keto-type meals. I can definitely tell when I am in ketosis because I get that metallic taste in my mouth!

1967mama ~ I know nothing about dates! These (http://www.naturaldelights.com/) are the ones I purchased, in the yellow box.- Are these baking dates? I'm probably not going to end up using all of them, especially if I dabble in keto.
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Post by: swick on October 24, 2015, 10:18:45 AM

Swick - I like the sound of your Monkey Bowls! We read about Monkey Salad so have been doing the bananas, nuts and coconut thing, but yours are enhanced with lots of yummy goodness! Can we just use ordinary unsweetened grocery store coconut or does it have to be fancy flakes from the health food store. They're so darned expensive!


You can use any type of coconut you like! We find the flakes give the bowls much-needed texture and also bulk.  We get the  ginormous bags  from Organic Matters. They are a bulk distributor. Not sure if it would be worth it compared to your local store when you include shipping. We have always lived somewhere where it ends up still being a great deal. There might be some bulk distributors in your area as well. http://www.omfoods.com/nuts-nut-butters/coconut-desiccated-large-flakes/ (http://www.omfoods.com/nuts-nut-butters/coconut-desiccated-large-flakes/)
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 24, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
Sailor Sam - Thanks for posting the links and making it super easy for me to look them up! I'm saving them for my weekend of reading:-) I've now ordered both the Taubes books from my public library.

Forgot to mention The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living (http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Science-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708), by Phinney and Volek. I haven't read it yet, but it's another oft mentioned powerhouse that's heavy on the science. You work in a lab, right? Or am I confusing with someone else?
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 24, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
Hi all, I'm anticipating a challenging day 11. Is the danger zone for giving up and I'm sleep walking on 4 hours sleep. My own fault as we got up at 4am to watch the All Blacks win a rugby game to go to the World Cup final. Then bloody kids decided to get up early. So I'm going to be dragging my sorry carcass around until I can have a nap later in the day. Luckily we have a long holiday weekend at home. Am going to plan my meals carefully and mindful that I might want to eat for reasons other than hunger. And reminding myself that I'm already a third of the way there.  No going back now. Hope you are all doing well. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on October 24, 2015, 07:06:04 PM
Hi all!
At my fancy hotel for the day and overnight and all day Sunday. So far, so good on the Whole30 front. Stopped 1/2 way here to get a few pecans and an apple out of my cooler bag. Now, snacking on baby carrots and guac...yum! Dinner in a while will be all from stuff I brought from home: chicken breast, lettuce, heirloom tomatoes in pretty colours, cucumber, and a jar of balsamic vinegar and olive oil. I'm actually looking forward to it! I had a hot lunch at home before we left of salmon and butternut squash.

Tomorrow for breakfast, I'm having my first and only meal "out" which will be in my room. I've got a 3 egg omelette with 3 veggies and fried herbed potatoes coming and I put in the special instructions area that all the food needed to be prepared in either clarified butter or olive oil for my special diet :-) In the area where you choose your bread, I asked for spinach on the side as a 4th veggie choice -- its supposed to be a 3 veggie omlette. I didn't choose a meat because my guess is that the applewood ham, chorizo or sausage all have nitrates.

Hubs and I had a great chat about all this on our drive up (about 2 hours). He is so incredibly supportive of my efforts. I'm really so blessed to have him .. 26 years married, btw. He's off to his meetings from 5-9 and 8-4 tmw. I have to vacate the room at 11 so will go for an hour walk tomorrow and then have tea and maybe a fruit and veggie plate in the lounge and read/surf till he's done.  He was asking all about how he could do it too with his busy job and travel schedule and I basically told him that when he's at restaurants (like tonite) choose meat and vegetables -- no dairy, no wheat. He's a pretty healthy guy but to be really lean he could probably drop 20lb.

The hotel dropped off a cute plate of 4 handcrafted chocolates: "Thank you, hotel, attempting to sabotage my Whole30!" (read in Jimmy Fallon voice). Me=1, Hotel=0 Not falling for it! Will take home for the kids. This is highly unusual behavior for this cat!

Off to read my Whole 30 book! Goal is to read the WHOLE book this weekend.

Hope everyone is doing well and eating wonderful foods!

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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 24, 2015, 07:50:54 PM
Great work having planned food and resisting  hotel provided treats, 1967mama. I hope you have a relaxing time. Great that hubby is on board.  I'm planning to wait until I have finished my first whole30 before suggesting my hubby try it. Was rather pleased to easily fit into a pair of shorts that 2 weeks ago were unzippable. Must be working! Off for that little afternoon nap now. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on October 24, 2015, 08:25:00 PM
I just thought of this - I will type out what I brought in case it might help someone else out one day:

How I Ate Whole30 in a Hotel Room

This trip was a two hour drive from home. I brought a small cooler that would hold 12 cans of pop as my refrigerator with ice packs. Will refill tonite with hotel ice as my ice packs thaw. I also brought a zippered bag for dry goods and cans. Also in the bag is a set of cutlery, a can opener, a bowl to eat my
Big salad in and a tea towel for drying my dishes.

-applesauce cups
-can of tuna and salmon
-1/2 bag of washed and torn romaine lettuce
-cooked chicken breast
-box of heirloom tomatoes
-ziploc container of mushrooms
-almonds
-pecans
-medjool dates
-coconut
-bananas, kiwis and apples in plastic box to protect them
-small glass jar of Olive oil and balsamic vinegar
-Lara bars
-herbal and regular tea
-can of pineapple
-4 hardboiled eggs
-1 package compliant prosciutto
-coconut
-raisins
-almond butter
-compliant coconut water with pineapple juice
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Post by: horsepoor on October 25, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
Thanks for the list, 1967!  I've got a few more hotel stays coming up, so this is helpful.  One question on the Larabars - are there specific ones that are "OK"?  I looked at them at Natural Grocer the other day but most of them had more sugar than I wanted.  They make one called Sticky Bun that is delish and one of the lowest in sugar, but it's hard to find and I wonder if they discontinued it.  I guess Kind Bars are a no-no because they have puffed millet in them?

I've been updating my Whole30 Pinterest board in preparation for getting started.  Thought I'd post the link here in case anyone is interested.

https://www.pinterest.com/kapelakin/whole-30/

Since we're going into winter, I'm planning to have eggdrop soup for breakfast lots of days.  Even though it's eggs, it might be different enough for those who are tiring of eggs.  I'm using homemade bone broth enhanced with some garlic, chiles and fish sauce.  Then it's just heated up and some chopped scallions and a scrambled egg or two dropped in, so I'm thinking it can even be done with the microwave at work.

Also planning to make some compliant sausage patties with ground turkey and ground pork.  Last W30 I was lackadaisical about the contents of sausages and bacon and the like, but will do better this time!
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Post by: swick on October 25, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Thanks for sharing your board, horsepoor!

You might want to double check your fish sauce. I could NOT find a compliant brand in Canada. I ended up getting a tube of anchovy paste and adding it to a little hot water and a dash of coconut aminos and some salt. Came close enough for our tastes - definitely not as salty as prepared fish sauce, but you can adjust to taste.

Here is the list of compliant/non-compliant Laura bars from the whole 30 website:

Compliant: Apple Pie, Banana Bread, Carrot Cake, Cashew Cookie, Cherry Pie, Chocolate Coconut Chew, Coconut Cream Pie, Key Lime Pie, Lemon Bar, Pecan Pie, Pumpkin Pie.

Non-compliant: Blueberry Muffin, Cappuccino, Chocolate Chip Brownie, Chocolate Chip Cherry Torte, Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, Coconut Chocolate Chip, Gingerbread, Peanut Butter and Jelly, Peanut Butter Chocolate Chip, Peanut Butter Cookie, Snickerdoodle.

- See more at: http://whole30.com/2015/01/6-whole30-ingredients/#sthash.KBX5KFfy.dpuf

I just came across the WHole 30 Gallery on Food gawker too, with over 600 results, should be some good stuff there :)
https://foodgawker.com/tag/whole30/ (https://foodgawker.com/tag/whole30/)

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Post by: 1967mama on October 25, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
Swick - Thanks for posting the list of compliant Lara bars. Mine are Apple Pie and Coconut Cream so I am good .. whew! I was so annoyed when I made a special trip to Costco for Lara bars last week and the box only contained 2 types and both had peanuts! I've bought them there in the past with suitable flavors. Also, thanks for the tip on the fish sauce. I bought some before my Whole30 for use in cooking and at that point, didn't check the label, so I will have to be sure to do that before cooking again.

Horsepoor - I just mentioned homemade sausage patties to my daughter a day ago. I made some at the very beginning of this journey and really enjoyed them!

Kiwisonya - It was neat because I didn't actually even mention the idea of my husband doing Whole30, but rather he brought it up himself since he's seen how good I'm feeling.

Speaking of feeling good, I just ordered my first restaurant/room service meal and they did really well. I was super clear that I wanted everything cooked ONLY in clarified butter or olive oil, and no bread with the omelette and herbed potatoes. I also ordered a fruit plate and unfortunately I forgot to be specific about it so it came with muffin squares and yogurt dip, both which weren't on the menu. At least I could just move them all to the side.

Now I'm planning on a nice 1 hour walk in the sunshine once I check out at 11. I will see my hubs briefly over his lunch break, then I will sit in the lounge in a big comfy chair for the afternoon and drink tea. I may attempt to order some more food, or I may smuggle in some of my home food in my backpack. He is done at 4pm.

So far, my weekend away has been a lovely break for this very busy mama :-)
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 25, 2015, 12:43:43 PM
Thanks for sharing your pinterest board, horsepoor. Lots of delicious looking food in there! I made my first monkey bowl for breakfast this morning thanks to someone mentioning it here - banana, flaked almonds,toasted coconut chips, first strawberries of the season and coconut cream. So delicious! It felt like my old sweet breakfasts but much healthier. I won't be doing it everyday as I'm trying to get rid of my sweet tooth but a great option to throw in the mix. Day 12 today and feeling good. Is Labour Day holiday and the sun is shining and birds singing.
1967mama, you are doing a great job sticking to the plan and wonderful that your hotel made an effort! While I'm keen for hubby to do whole30, not because he's overweight but because he has Crohn's disease - I'm probably better to be a good example and then it will be his idea! He has been looking at my delicious food enviously. Thanks for posting your food list - that is bound to come in handy for many of us. I'm taking the kids camping in a couple of weekends so will use it then. Have a great day everyone.  Ks
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Post by: Liz on October 25, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
Would love to hear some recipes for homemade breakfast sausage patties! I order some from US Wellness occasionally but would love to make my own.  Do I just use ground pork or do I need a meat grinder? Just did a quick search and apparently my Vitamix would work as a meat grinder ~ didn't even think of that!
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Post by: Genevieve on October 25, 2015, 02:47:51 PM
Hi everyone -- you've got a great group going over here!

I did Weight Watchers for 2.5 months, with mixed success due to hunger. I switched over to low carb a month ago, and I'm losing weight while still feeling full. Awesome! I'm down 11 pounds since I started. I have about 50 more to go, but every little bit helps.

My eating plan is based off of what was recommended in Gary Taube's book. So I'm OK with some dairy, but limited amounts of fruit/potatoes/corn.

I just finished cooking a yummy green chicken enchilada casserole bake, and I have the stuff ready for a taco salad this week too. Hopefully this is the beginning of a good week!
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Post by: mom22boys on October 25, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
Liz Here's the turkey sausage recipe I use and LOVE it!  I buy the ground turkey in bulk from Costco. Then I fry it up as crumbles, and mix in with my eggs all week for breakfast.  So good and easy! 

http://www.theyummylife.com/turkey_breakfast_sausage

1967mama Sounds like you had a great and successful weekend. It's important for us moms to get our alone time. :-)

KiwiSonya I don't know about others, but I'm already jealous of you talking about spring/summer.  :-)  I hope you made it yesterday after the little sleep. That does make it harder to keep on track with eating, but I think you have enough focus to stick with it. 

Genevieve Welcome!  You should join us for a 30 day challenge. This group is awesome.  Eating this way is way easier than doing WW, at least in my opinion.  You are totally right about always feeling hungry with WW, and I just hate tracking food.

horsepoor Thanks for the link to your board.  There are some great looking recipes on there.  Your egg drop soup sounds so good!  I love soups, and just haven't made them as much on Whole30. This would be good and easy.

I've been sticking with the good eating still, but now that I'm exercising, I can tell that I'm more hungry and have started to snack again.  That's good and bad. My snacks have been compliant (fruit or nuts), but I don't want to get into bad habits again with snacking.  Also, I haven't felt the best this week, and I think it may have been from reintro of dairy. Or it's possible there were other things in the food that I didn't know about.

Is anyone thinking about when they are going to start their next official 30 days?  I can't remember who said it, but I think someone was talking about doing a whole90 starting in January.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 25, 2015, 03:27:14 PM
Liz - Here is the sausage recipe! I loved that it was super easy and used common spices from my cupboard. My kids and teens loved it. I will triple next time:-) I'm planning on doing some extras up for an alternative to eggs for breakfast :-) I also made the mash, which I loved. The kids were iffy on it but they're not big squash eaters. It keeps well in the fridge so can be used for yummy leftovers with your proteins for the next few days. ETA: Used pork already ground from grocery store. Ground turkey would work too, like Mom22boye suggested.

http://whole30.com/2015/04/bangers-and-mash/

Genevieve - Welcome to our little group:-) Great support here.  Some of us have tried Weight Watchers. I was
Also hungry on their plan:-/ I have the Gary Taubes book on hold from the library as I'm thinking of a version of Paleo after I do my
2nd Whole30. Have you thought about doing a Whole30 to see if
you're sensitive to dairy and then jump back to Paleo after 30 days? I've seen remarkable results in my 17-18 days on this plan so far and plan to do another whole30 directly following this round. I have 70+ pounds to lose. Ugh!


Kiwis ya- Isnt monkey salad just to die for?! I couldn't believe how all the healthy goodness could taste so yummy! I tried coconut cream for the first time yesterday. I read that you can just keep a can of coconut milk in your fridge all the time and the cream rises to the top. So luxurious tasting to me!


Sorry for the typos and formatting issues. Typing on an iphone! Last of my
Little holiday spent in a swanky lounge with big comfy chairs. I ordered a spinach salad with Olive oil and balsamic, no pine nuts, berries if
They were fresh and not sweetened, prawns done in Olive oil, no butter. no croutons. A fruit plate for dessert. Earl grey tea. Felt like I was ordering in "When Harry Met Sally" but it's worked perfectly for two meals now so I'm feeling more confident.
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Post by: ketchup on October 25, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
Made this tonight: http://paleoleap.com/pork-apple-meatloaf/

Paired with this: http://myfridgefood.com/recipes/salads-and-sides/fried-german-potato-salad/ (substituting more bacon grease for the canola oil)

Holy wow.  So great.  Would definitely recommend to a friend.  Yum.
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Post by: horsepoor on October 26, 2015, 02:35:48 AM
I meant to mention that there are a couple recipes on that board that need tweaking to be compliant - like the tuna cakes have bread crumbs that I would probably substitute out for some cauli-rice instead.  I'm sure this is obvious but didn't want anyone to accuse me of bait and switch. ;)

I'm really looking forward to starting after today.  I had a freebie on my Starbuck's card and DH and I were embarking on an unplanned, epic day of road-tripping so I got a salted caramel mocha, which was way too sweet.  I had a piece of baked chicken from the deli around 2, and then we didn't really have a chance to eat until we rolled back into town around 10 pm. He wanted to eat at Burger King for some weird reason, so I went along with it and ate a big burger plus a water.  Tried to go to bed shortly after and my pulse was up and my stomach was making all sorts of weird noises.  Now I'm up again with an elevated pulse and a wicked thirst.  Less than ideal with the 12+ hour workday I have scheduled tomorrow.  Kinda' makes me wonder what they're putting in that junk.

On the fish sauce - I do need to check mine.  Red Boat is the usual approved kind but the Asian market quit carrying it.  I bought what seemed to be the next best in quality, but can't remember if it has any weird additives.  I did pick up a bottle of coconut aminos this weekend, so might experiment with that instead.  Hated the Mrs. Bragg's liquid aminos.  Blech.
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Post by: swick on October 26, 2015, 07:54:53 AM
  Hated the Mrs. Bragg's liquid aminos.  Blech.

Bragg's also isn't complaint it is...wheat? based? Something, I threw it out at the beginning of the whole 30 so I can't look. 

There is a wide variation of coconut amino's they are all supposedly fermented for about a year The brand my mom picked up though is like, very fermented - it is a completely different taste than the one that I got - was very distracting in the almond sauce I made for lettuce wraps. We have tried Naked coconut and Coconut Secret both are pretty good. I don't remember the name brand of the one my mom bought, I'll have to ask.

Hubs had a few successes and turning points worth sharing :) We were both tired and cranky on Saturday (I had a horrible sleep for some reason) We had to go shopping and do a bunch of running around and by the time we hit the grocery store we were not in good moods. It was the first time since starting that I wanted to eat everything. This is about the time, traditionally, we would end up with something we didn't really want because it seemed like a good idea at the time. I grabbed some pumpkin seeds and then decided to put them back, because even though they are compliant, I didn't want to be making any decisions on snack foods in that head space. 

Hubs bought a small package of compliant (ingredient wise) plantain chips. He got home had a few and said: "You know, I don't need to eat these.  I love the idea of salty snacky food, but I don't need it"  and he threw them out! This is someone who would have devoured the whole bag without even a thought. For him, This is huge! Salty snack foods have always been his weakness.

We went for late Thanksgiving dinner at his grandma's house. He had a bit of stuffing and a small (he actually sent the plate back when his request for 1/2 a slice was not honored!) slice of her pumpkin pie.  Given the immense amount of family pressure, I was so proud of him for choosing intentionally what to eat and holding his ground. I avoided everything I didn't want to eat - except some butter that was on the veggies - which I'm not going to sweat.

Also, we had to order him new pants last night! Down from a 40 to a 38 :)
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 26, 2015, 01:25:27 PM
Loved the fried potato salad recipe,  Ketchup, thanks for sharing. Was a bit exotic for the kids but hubby and I wolfed down the rest. I have been making big batches of my food and offering it to the family first before bringing out other options.  My 3 year old wolfed down a double serving of monkey bowl, my meat reluctant 5 year old who is currently sprouting before my eyes ate about 500g of slow cooked lamb leg with moroccan spices and preserved lemon. Had plans for the leftovers but guess not! Hubby enjoyed his compliant breakfast of fried potatoes, bacon and eggs, saying he felt very satisfied.  Well, compared to a bowl of cornflakes you would, wouldn't you. Day 13 and I'm feeling great.  Caught up on missed sleep by sleeping like the dead for a couple of nights. Feeling energetic so will get lots done today. Noticed belt on tightest hole and bra looking decidedly empty. Need to pysche myself up for some clothes shopping. Have a great day everyone. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on October 26, 2015, 03:01:03 PM
Swick - So happy for your husband. In my very limited experience (Day 18) the early successes are so very motivating and more success build up! I love Bragg's -- but yes, I know its not compliant. I'm delighted with the taste of coconut aminos. I have some avacado oil to try out too.

Kiwisonya - I'm going to make a monkey bowl right now, since you just reminded me about them! Yum! Three cheers for new clothes!

I've yet to find a bacon that doesn't have junk in it. I do have 2 sides of grass-fed, hormone free beef coming later this week and am so excited for that! Big $$$$ but I'm pretty fussy about meat; always have been.
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Post by: swick on October 27, 2015, 08:04:30 AM
I do have 2 sides of grass-fed, hormone free beef coming later this week and am so excited for that! Big $$$$ but I'm pretty fussy about meat; always have been.

2 Sides?!?! That's like...a whole cow! I'm jealous you have that much space, mmm tasty cow! I have lamb coming which I am pretty excited about.

SO it seems like for us, the cheapest protein source we have found is....duck! I can get a package of (crappy) ground beef at the store, or I can buy a whole duck for the same price (how does that even work?) granted it is a little less meat, but we also get about a cup and a half of duck fat and a couple of quarts of really good bone broth from each duck.  This is a dangerous realization :D

I've been getting out and walking every day, even when I don't feel like it, even when the weather isn't the greatest, hey if I can get use to the rain, maybe when the snow comes it will be a nice change? I do feel myslef getting stronger and faster so that is pretty cool.

Your lamb sounds AMAZING Kiwisonya! Sounds like you are having some fun and success with converting your family slowly to a better way of eating, way to go!

SO...we have lots of people who haven't updated in a while! How is everyone doing? What are your successes, challenges and experiences?

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Post by: Liz on October 27, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
Thank you for sharing sausage recipes, they both sound easy to prepare AND delicious! My two main criteria;)

I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but I tried a serving of full fat yogurt over the weekend and after about an hour, my stomach was cramping and bloated. I also had trouble sleeping that night and my allergies were acting up too. I thought full fat yogurt would be a good dairy to try, but apparently the kind I had (Fage) had 8 grams of lactose in it!

However, I did make wings with butter instead of ghee on Sunday and that went fine. Stomach was a tad rumbly, but nothing like the effects of the yogurt.  I will be trying some aged cheese on Thursday and will report back on how that goes.  I was nervous about reintroducing things, but realized I would much rather do it now, in a controlled setting, versus being out and about somewhere.

I'm also testing the waters with a clean-eating version of keto. It's going pretty good so far, and I've dropped a couple more pounds since the end of my W30.
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Post by: swick on October 27, 2015, 09:48:47 AM
Thanks for the update, Liz!

Interesting that yogurt would have such an effect. Darn. That doesn't bode well for me re-introducing it! I was thinking it couldn't possibly be as bad as the milk we tried!

So far we have introduced Buckwheat and Quinoa successfully.  Will probably try to re intro something else this weekend, not sure what yet.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 27, 2015, 11:10:24 AM
Hi Swick and Gang!

I have some very exciting news! The size 14 jeans I bought in Fall 2009 fit me this morning! I had a miscarriage in January 2010 and was pregnant again in July 2010 with my last child so I know for a fact that I haven't worn them more than 3x. They aren't ridiculously tight either. Snug but definitely the way you'd buy them. I can't even believe this is happening to me!!!!! So I started out 19 days ago barely fitting my size 18 clothes and am now comfortably fitting size 14's? I am scale free so I won't know for sure whAt I've lost until
I get to the end of this first whole30.

Last night, I was getting ready for bed And my face looks noticeably thinner. I went to show my husband. He said, "Other people who don't know you're doing Whole30 are going to start to notice!" I don't even look like the "me" I've come to know these last few years.

I have houseguests coming Wedneaday and Thursday nights but I will be cooking and in control of
The food so it shouldn't be a problem. I have 2 chickens out thawing for our first dinner and am considering burgers on the grill for the 2nd night.

Husband just sent me this text:

"You are amazing!! So happy and VERY proud of you"

Does it get any better than that?!

Have a great day, everyone! Off to enjoy my poached eggs:-)
Sorry for the typos - iphone
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Post by: swick on October 27, 2015, 11:28:22 AM
Hi Swick and Gang!

I have some very exciting news! The size 14 jeans I bought in Fall 2009 fit me this morning! I had a miscarriage in January 2010 and was pregnant again in July 2010 with my last child so I know for a fact that I haven't worn them more than 3x. They aren't ridiculously tight either. Snug but definitely the way you'd buy them. I can't even believe this is happening to me!!!!! So I started out 19 days ago barely fitting my size 18 clothes and am now comfortably fitting size 14's? I am scale free so I won't know for sure whAt I've lost until
I get to the end of this first whole30.

Last night, I was getting ready for bed And my face looks noticeably thinner. I went to show my husband. He said, "Other people who don't know you're doing Whole30 are going to start to notice!" I don't even look like the "me" I've come to know these last few years.

I have houseguests coming Wedneaday and Thursday nights but I will be cooking and in control of
The food so it shouldn't be a problem. I have 2 chickens out thawing for our first dinner and am considering burgers on the grill for the 2nd night.

Husband just sent me this text:

"You are amazing!! So happy and VERY proud of you"

Does it get any better than that?!

Have a great day, everyone! Off to enjoy my poached eggs:-)
Sorry for the typos - iphone

YAY! This whole post makes me so happy :) Awesome job 1967mama, it is so fantastic that you are getting results and appreciation from your hubby for all the major changes you have been making!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 27, 2015, 12:53:30 PM
Hi everyone,  1967mama, I am so excited for you. It does feel a bit weird (in an awesome way) that our bodies can respond so fast given the right fuel. Weight gain is generally a slow and steady affair but to wake up looking different due to losing weight is a foreign experience. Go you! And what a fabulous hubby, you're a lucky lady.
Swick, yay for duck. I love duck but it is pricey in NZ. I treated myself to a pack of duck fat so I can make the best ever roast potatoes -drooling!
I put my skinniest jeans on this morning to find that they are baggy. Yay! One thing that hasn't come right yet are my sinuses. But I think I may have a sinus infection rather than my usual allergies. Trying a few saline rinses before going to the dr. Can't properly taste my food which is a real bummer as everything looks scrumptious. Rushing to get kids out the door but will check in again later. Ks
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 27, 2015, 01:47:04 PM
Today is day 30 for me.

Non-Scale Victories

Scale Victory: 160 --> 152 lbs. I'm still overweight for my height, but I'm very close to a 'normal' BMI.*

I have some mandatory fun tonight, at a bar. I'm going to have some beer tonight, even though it's jumping the gun$ by 12-ish hours. I'm just so goddamn tired to explaining ketosis, and why 'one little cheat' really will ruin my data. Plus, don't want to stand out as weird in front of the CO, his CO, and (possibly) a three star admiral. Yipes!

*If you're into BMI. It's certainly a problematic measurement scale. Yet, I still have a visible gut, so I don't think it's totally wrong.
$Though, I think I could justify this down to 2 hours. Because, it starts after dinner on day zero, right? Eh? Right??

Now I have to go change into my fancy fucking uniform, and attend a career fair. Look out people, I look fiiiiine!
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Post by: Liz on October 27, 2015, 02:04:22 PM
1967mama - That is AWESOME! And you're not even done yet! Very cool. And your husband sounds like a keeper:)
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Post by: swick on October 27, 2015, 02:08:36 PM
Way to Go Sailor Sam!!!
Hope you have an amazing time tonight, and don't pay for it too much tomorrow :) Those are some pretty awesome results!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 27, 2015, 02:31:59 PM
Congratulations,  Sailor Sam! Amazing results -6cm from your waist is huge! Enjoy yourself tonight,  you deserve it.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 28, 2015, 12:53:28 AM
Sailor Sam!

Congratulations! Bet you will FEEL fine in that fancy uniform too! That's a lot of cm to lose -- so impressive! You rocked it!

BMI - You know, for me it's fairly accurate also. My weight feels super healthy when I am one tick inside the healthy BMI range for my height and that was my body's own set point weight in my early adulthood, before kids. It is crazy to think that I'm 70+ lbs over that weight. That is the weight of my 8 year old son and I'm carrying that around with me 24/7/365?! Ack. No wonder I felt like crap all the time!

Your cheat - I would be interested to know how you feel in the coming days. I'm hitting day 20 tomorrow so I'm just 10 days behind you. Still waffling on whether to go immediately into a second whole30 or whether to take a few days off.

Hope you enjoyed your evening. I get what you mean about not wanting to stand out. We had 2 higher ups at our table at that fancy gala I had to go to in my first week of whole30. I started my whole30 again the next day and haven't looked back since.

Cheers, Sailor Sam. You're a real inspiration!



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Post by: Genevieve on October 28, 2015, 09:39:38 AM
Congrats Sailor Sam on finishing the Whole 30! What an accomplishment.

I've seen a bit of a drop in the scale this week. That's encouraging. I'd been maintaining my weight for ~2 weeks even though I've been very compliant. I'm guessing after so many weeks of being on plan there was some fat/water re-calibration going on.

I need to take pictures and measurements to have a different way to stay accountable!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 28, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
Hi Genevieve,  the scales aren't the best way to track your progress as they really only illustrate the water balance going on in your body. It goes up, down and all around as your body gets used to it's new food supply. It can be depressing and off putting which is why they tell you not to weigh yourself during whole30. While not a fine measurement you will notice your clothes getting looser, your face getting thinner and your energy levels getting better.  These seem to be more consistent improvements to measure your progress against.  Day16 today -bring on the tiger blood. I have a busy day running around with 20 preschoolers. Last night I survived our Playcentres AGM with wine and nibbles. A few pieces of pineapple and a few grapes from a cheese platter felt like a treat and I really didn't want anything else.  Filled my wine glass with water and no one noticed. It feels great to have the resolve to stick with this even in the face of temptation that in the past I would have caved to. And you know a switch has occurred in my brain- I'm not making these decisions because I don't want to have to start again. I'm doing it because that food makes me feel crap and I want to continue to feel good. Oh to have control over my eating -probably for the first time since my early teens. Wow! Have a healthy,  happy day everyone.
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Post by: Faraday on October 28, 2015, 12:29:02 PM
Hi Genevieve,  the scales aren't the best way to track your progress as they really only illustrate the water balance going on in your body. It goes up, down and all around as your body gets used to it's new food supply. It can be depressing and off putting which is why they tell you not to weigh yourself during whole30. While not a fine measurement you will notice your clothes getting looser, your face getting thinner and your energy levels getting better.  These seem to be more consistent improvements to measure your progress against. 

Seconded! I weighed myself fairly often when I started Keto but eventually I had to stop when I got down into areas of "finer weight control". The scale IS good for signaling dehydration, but if it's bad enough for the scale to see it, you aren't paying attention.

It's even worse when you try fat fasting. (Whole30 folks can safely ignore this term... :-) ) Fat fasting will dehydrate the hell out of me and I think I'm losing weight but feeling like crap. Net result is nothing.

I have one friend who weighs every day. Screw that. I weigh maybe every other week now.
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Post by: Liz on October 28, 2015, 01:53:08 PM
I weigh about once a week but try not to take too much stock in the number ~ I took some pictures at the beginning of my Whole30, and I need to take some more pictures now to do a comparision!
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Post by: 1967mama on October 28, 2015, 02:32:39 PM
Kiwisonya - That
Was a great description of why you aren't tempted by the sweets and treats and cheese and such - that describes me to a tee! What a victory over food!

Genevieve - I was totally addicted to weighing myself every day before I did the Whole30. I am still working to break those chains but haven't weighed myself since the end of week one. I'm on day 20 now. A few pages ago, SailorSam posted a super article on why the scales lie. It was very helpful to me. I would repost it here but I'm on an iphone at present. I am
Committed to only weighing myself once every 30 days.

I had a really awesome sleep last night. I love that feeling! I just need to string
Several of those together now!

This may be tmi -- but suffice to say I've found my scalp is now 98% healthy. This has been a problem for me for many years.

Have a great day everyone!


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Post by: Cranberries on October 28, 2015, 03:26:52 PM
I've been struggling a bit with the scale thing. In my first whole30 I was mostly good about not weighing myself, but in the week between whole30's my living situation/location shifted and now the scale is just too convenient at the gym. I have not lost weight yet from this one, and have been noticing how much it is messing with my brain to weigh in too frequently. It really, really does not matter that I weigh the same as I did last week. I have resolved to ignore the damn scale.
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Post by: Genevieve on October 28, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
I like the data from weighing in. I don't get obsessive about it. It is what it is. But it does help me keep track of long term trends. Eventually the small moves on the scale add up to something one way or the other.

But I know Whole30 says no weighing so kudos to you all that are abstaining.
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Post by: 1967mama on October 28, 2015, 11:03:38 PM
You can do it, Botanist! I'm feeling a release of the pressure valve about the scale. The more days that tick by without weighing myself, the more I'm noticing all the other great things happening to my body and in my mind. Each day or two, I'm noticing something new! It's amazing and exciting!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on October 29, 2015, 02:34:01 AM
Help, advice needed on kicking the sugar habit.  Found myself mindlessly snacking on the kids fruit leftovers (big problem hating waste but using myself as the garbage can). Anyhow this set off a raging sugar craving which led me to eat yep, more fruit. Stayed away from the dates but probably had 4 servings of fruit today. Growing up in a fruit bowl area I have probably always eaten too much fruit (like 6 pcs a day) and it has only been very recently that I realized to my embarrassment that this is not a healthy habit. I guess to slay the sugar dragon I need to stop the fruit for the remainder of whole 30 at least. The fact that I am fighting myself over this indicates that fruit is a problem food for me and I would be better to abstain.  But geez, then I'm going to actually have to deal with life's problems instead of stuffing my face. Can't see myself stuffing my face with carrots when I've yelled at the kids. Anyone hear me, got any thoughts?  Ks
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Post by: swick on October 29, 2015, 08:07:23 AM
KiwiSonya - you recognized a trigger for you both in the fruit and the circumstances. That is a great step!
 A few thoughts:
Not wanting to waste food = you becoming essentially a human garbage can. Do your kids see you always clearing their plates? Is this something you want to be modeling for them (Especially if you have a girl)? I think conversations around food and learning how to listen to your body are super important. Serving less food to start and teaching kids how to listen to their bodies and take more if they need it is a better strategy then wasting food or feeling like they (or you!) have to clean everything off their plates.

Are your fruit sugar cravings emotional, physical or psychological? It sounds like you need to develop some other self-care routines or alternatives. Especially if they are triggered by such things as yelling at the kids. Deep breathing exercises are a great way to find your center any time, anywhere. Also creating space in a situation, sometimes it takes saying "I'm upset about this situation. I need  to take a few minutes out"  Step away and do some deep breathing.

One thing I have found really helpful is I have gotten into a habit of asking myself "why am I eating?" every time I put something in my mouth. It is a couple of second check-in to how I am feeling. If the answer is anything other then "I am physically hungry" I take a minute and some space to examine my feelings and see if food is indeed the solution I am looking for.
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Post by: Liz on October 29, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
KiwiSonya ~ Since I'm trying out the keto thing, I've pretty much cut out fruit and I've noticed that my Sugar Dragon has gone down even more.  I think cutting out fruit for the rest of your W30 as a temporary measure is a great idea, and then you can figure out what makes you feel the best once you are done. Consider it an experiment of sorts:) Also, what types of fruit are you eating? I know for me, apples, strawberries, and melon fruits taste incredibly sweet, while raspberries are more tangy to me, and I am less likely for me to eat the whole freaking box. And swick makes some great points, as usual. Just recognizing a trigger is a great step, and shows that you are in-tune with your way of eating and reactions, etc.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on October 29, 2015, 09:58:36 AM
Your cheat - I would be interested to know how you feel in the coming days. I'm hitting day 20 tomorrow so I'm just 10 days behind you. Still waffling on whether to go immediately into a second whole30 or whether to take a few days off.

Tuesday I ended up eating a tootsie roll bite, and a mini-brownie at the recruiting event. My social function got postponed, so I didn't end up drinking any alcohol. I started the day prepared to come out of ketosis, so I spent the afternoon treating myself to some higher glycemic index vegetables. Despite the vegetables and the candy, I was still in ketosis at bedtime that night. I was surprised, but pleased.

Yesterday was my mandatory fun, and it was actually pretty enjoyable. I ordered a highly anticipated burger and fries for dinner, and had a few beers. I ended up leaving half the fries because I was full. I've done such things before, but all previous moments of french fry abandonment came from a place of discipline. Yesterday I simply didn't want any more, so I stopped eating. I really enjoyed the lack of drama.

Stopped on the way home to get some Halloween candy for the trick-or-treaters, and I ate 4 fun-sized pieces*. They tasted okay, but not amazing, and I definitely some stomach pain after eating them. I appreciate that data point. I'm not particularly drawn to sugar, so the memory of the pain should be enough to stop any stray cravings for candy.

Moving forward, I envision a 10 day cycle. So, 10 days of clean$ eating, with some sort of IF thrown in. Then a 3-5 days for anything I happen to be craving. Thirty days is good for discipline and resolve, but the cycle is too extended for my psyche. I get angry and depressed by day 20 because my goal has become such a lengthy trudge. It stops being about the food in any kind of way, and becomes about sticking the 30. Probably not the best method for me, so I'm not going to use it.

*had to sample each type that came in the combo pack! Otherwise things would be unbalanced.

$I'm loathed to use that word to describe eating, since it's become a semi-sanctimonious nonsense word. Restricted diet is also troublesome because the public sees the phrase restricted as horrific, and possibly due to an eating disorder. I try to explain that my avoidance is due to allergies, but folks just roll their eyes and tell me that dairy allergies don't exist. Then I get lectures about mental health, which I don't take with very much grace. I find it all very complicated. Does this happen to anyone else?
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Post by: ruthiegirl on October 29, 2015, 10:04:17 AM
Hi all! 

I am jumping in with you on this crusade.  I did a Whole 30 challenge last spring and felt really good while doing it.  I lost a little weight and generally felt good.   

The thing that I really noticed was that I felt better emotionally.  I had fewer highs and lows and just seemed calmer.  With the darker days lately, the winter blues are creeping in and I really don't want to go down that dark path. 

And I seriously need something to focus on during this season of baked goods and candy!  All of that sugar and bread makes me blue, blue, blue.  Those sugar highs and lows are brutal on my stability. 

Started today well with eggs, spinach and some avocado.  Tasty and filling.  Well, mostly filling.  Close enough. 
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Post by: mom22boys on October 29, 2015, 11:28:58 AM
Welcome ruthiegirl!  Did you officially start today? 

SailorSam - Congrats on the strong finish!  I have to admit that I was so tempted by the chocolate bars that I bought yesterday for Halloween.  But, I didn't give it! The thing that helped me through it was mefla's manifesto on the upcoming season.  Sounds like you had a good learning experience from partaking.  :-)  That's what it's all about.  Learning and adjusting.

Kiwi - Totally laughed when I read your comment about stuffing your face with carrots.  I agree with all the other comments, and your idea to cut out the fruit for the rest of the time.

As for that darned scale!  Get rid of it! I'm also not a huge fan of BMI.  Two examples of why.....about 10 years ago I was around 170 lbs, which is smack in the middle of the overweight category for my BMI. But, I felt FAN.TAS.TIC, and from what others said, I also looked fantastic. I was running about 30 miles a week, lifting weights, and kept active (ALL pre-kids :-)).  I couldn't give a rat's ass what my BMI was at that time.  Another example...I have a female friend who is an MMA fighter.  She's my height, and literally doesn't have an ounce of fat on her.  I would have put her in the 120-130 lbs range.  One day she told me what she weighted.  She was 155!  I was shocked!  I would have never put her at that weight.  And guess what, at 155 she was officially in the overweight category for BMI. Bull!

My point to this long paragraph is get over the numbers, whether it's weight or BMI!  Just so you know, I'm also preaching to myself, because I've been brainwashed for years into caring about this, and it's still a daily struggle for me.  But, I'm getting better. I even helped to type this out, as a reminder to myself.

Reintro update - I've decided to add back in rice this weekend. We'll see how it goes!  :-)
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Post by: Faraday on October 29, 2015, 11:59:40 AM
The thing that helped me through it was mefla's manifesto on the upcoming season. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I changed my screen name to "Faraday". There were two new folks who joined, with names amazingly close to "mefla" (a nonsense word I made up, thinking "Surely no one else will get close to that, right?") One of the two is even geographically close to me, which surprised me even more....

I felt a little sad leaving the name behind and I don't mean to cause confusion, but here I am.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 29, 2015, 12:56:28 PM
Thanks for the sage advice everyone, you're awesome.  Love the idea of asking 'why am I eating?' - I'm sure there are a ton of possible reasons none of which involve hunger. And I know this as I've been like this since I was a teen. I remember asking a friend how she knew how much to eat to keep trim.  Her reply was something like 'I eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full. Coming from a plate clearing household that was the first time I had ever heard someone articulate that and I've spent the past 20 years trying to implement this without success (mainly I think because of the addictive nature of carbs). But here's my chance to sort out these fucked up habits once and for all. I agree it's bad for my kids because I learned it from mine. Will try no fruit, asking why I am eating and a bit of deep breathing and will see how I go. Have also found brushing my teeth when I want food for the wrong reasons to be helpful. Thanks everyone.  Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Genevieve on October 29, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
I don't know about you guys, but my sensation of hunger is much different now that I'm eating this way. I don't get the huge hunger pains and the mental crash of must have food. Instead my stomach starts to feel empty and at some point I realize I probably should eat.

Have you guys found that your experience of hunger has changed?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on October 29, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
I don't know about you guys, but my sensation of hunger is much different now that I'm eating this way. I don't get the huge hunger pains and the mental crash of must have food. Instead my stomach starts to feel empty and at some point I realize I probably should eat.

Have you guys found that your experience of hunger has changed?

Absolutely! That is definitely one of things I noticed during the Whole30 (and now). No more getting "hangry." :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 29, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
I don't know about you guys, but my sensation of hunger is much different now that I'm eating this way. I don't get the huge hunger pains and the mental crash of must have food. Instead my stomach starts to feel empty and at some point I realize I probably should eat.

Have you guys found that your experience of hunger has changed?

YES! Now, let me confess: doing keto vs Whole30, I used to experience "hanger" to a dramatic degree. But my experience of both hunger and satiety are more consistent, more understandable, more reasonable than before. I follow a kind of "schedule" now that is predictable and my energy levels are much more consistent than before.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on October 29, 2015, 05:12:59 PM
The thing that helped me through it was mefla's manifesto on the upcoming season. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I changed my screen name to "Faraday". There were two new folks who joined, with names amazingly close to "mefla" (a nonsense word I made up, thinking "Surely no one else will get close to that, right?") One of the two is even geographically close to me, which surprised me even more....

I felt a little sad leaving the name behind and I don't mean to cause confusion, but here I am.

Aww I'm so glad you are back  - whatever the name. I was just thinking this morning that I miss mefla and should send a pestering PM for having abandoned us and leaving us all desolate. Guess I get to cross that off my to do list :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 29, 2015, 06:36:04 PM
The thing that helped me through it was mefla's manifesto on the upcoming season. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I changed my screen name to "Faraday". There were two new folks who joined, with names amazingly close to "mefla" (a nonsense word I made up, thinking "Surely no one else will get close to that, right?") One of the two is even geographically close to me, which surprised me even more....

I felt a little sad leaving the name behind and I don't mean to cause confusion, but here I am.

Aww I'm so glad you are back  - whatever the name. I was just thinking this morning that I miss mefla and should send a pestering PM for having abandoned us and leaving us all desolate. Guess I get to cross that off my to do list :D

I'd go nutso without the forums. I'm in that phase of working toward FIRE where you've gotten rid of all the bad stuff and you are accumulating good stuff, but it's not happening fast enough. I think Pete calls it the "boredom" phase? I just want to hurry up and get to my number and get the house paid off. So I keep telling myself:

DON'T PANIC AND KETO ON.... :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 30, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
I'm happy to report that I survived 2 days of houseguests while remaining Whole30 compliant.  Dinner the first night was 2 chickens done in the oven with seasonings and 2 pans of roasted vegetables with olive oil, salt, pepper and rosemary. I also made a pot of brown rice for the rest of the family and the company.

The 2nd night, we had burgers on the grill. Since they were premade patties, they had fillers and such, so I thawed and ate a piece of mahi mahi instead. I did 2 pans of fries from a bag in the oven and for myself, I cut up a cooked red potato and fried it in a little clarified butter and added spices.  I also made coleslaw with Whole30 mayo and added salt, pepper and mustard. Everyone loved the coleslaw -- little did they know! haha

Thawing some salmon for dinner and planning for extra fish for the weekend for quick leftovers for me to eat.

I'm really enjoying everyone sharing their successes and challenges. It really helps!

I'm on Day 22 of my first Whole30. I feel like a bit of walking is helping accelerate things -- my clothes are starting to fit (things I haven't been able to wear!)

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on October 30, 2015, 09:24:24 PM
I'm happy to report that I survived 2 days of houseguests while remaining Whole30 compliant.  Dinner the first night was 2 chickens done in the oven with seasonings and 2 pans of roasted vegetables with olive oil, salt, pepper and rosemary. I also made a pot of brown rice for the rest of the family and the company.

The 2nd night, we had burgers on the grill. Since they were premade patties, they had fillers and such, so I thawed and ate a piece of mahi mahi instead. I did 2 pans of fries from a bag in the oven and for myself, I cut up a cooked red potato and fried it in a little clarified butter and added spices.  I also made coleslaw with Whole30 mayo and added salt, pepper and mustard. Everyone loved the coleslaw -- little did they know! haha

Thawing some salmon for dinner and planning for extra fish for the weekend for quick leftovers for me to eat

*swoon*
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on October 31, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
My daughter and I and my 2 little boys got out for a nice, brisk walk at the seaside today. The fresh air and exercise did me good.

Breakfast was 2 eggs with peppers and onions fried up in clarified butter. Lunch was leftover salmon and Greek salad made without feta cheese. Snack just now was an apple dipped
in almond butter. There were a few cups of tea thrown in there too.

I'm sleeping better when I'm cutting myself off decaf tea after 12 noon. Awesome for a life-long insomniac!

This weekend I've been reading Gut by Giuliani Enders. Fascinating and eye-opening. I can't believe how much I've been abusing my poor insides all these years:-(

Feeling so good these days. So is my daughter. It's a lovely thing to do this together. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on October 31, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
You're doing so great 1967mama and wonderful to have your daughter doing it too. This way of eating is pretty much automatic now.  I don't even look at other foods even when serving them to my boys. Big challenge next weekend when we are going tent camping for two nights. Will use your excellent guidelines to get me through.  Can't even remember what day I'm on now, will have to check on the calendar! I haven't been great at eliminating fruit but have found fruit to be less of a problem with meals -none as snacks as that seems to set me off. Hope you're all doing well. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 01, 2015, 01:50:09 AM

Kiwisonya - Thanks so much! I'm looking forward to the day when it becomes automatic to eat this way. 

In other news, I fit into my daughter's jeans today! (they are too big for her now)

Mind = Blown!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 01, 2015, 10:06:10 AM

Kiwisonya - Thanks so much! I'm looking forward to the day when it becomes automatic to eat this way. 

In other news, I fit into my daughter's jeans today! (they are too big for her now)

Mind = Blown!!!!!!!!!!

Existential crisis for the clothier Not Your Daughter's Jeans in 3, 2, 1, now.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 01, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
Completely NOT Whole30, but on Friday I made the Fathead pizza crust (http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/2015/04/23/fat-head-pizza/) with aged mozzeralla. Happy to report that it was great and I had no stomach problems, etc. after eating it. I was worried about reintroducing cheese after the yogurt issues, but it went as well as could be! I'm not planning on making the pizza often since I want to try to stick to the W30-style eating most often, but it might be once or twice a month option in my household.:)

I hope everyone had a wonderful Halloween and weekend! Happy November 1st!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 01, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
Sailor Sam - That's awesome! Ironically, I have numerous pairs of Not Your Daughter's Jeans that are too big for me! I have 2 pairs that are a little smaller and I'm waiting a few more weeks to try those on.

Am I the only one who is so glad that Halloween has come and gone? I wasn't terribly tempted by the candy but it might have been nice to have a Mars bar and a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, or twelve!

For breakfast, my daughter surprised us and made eggs with onion and red bell pepper bits and spices in muffin cups and baked them. They were delicious! We also had a sliced tomato and a leftover sausage patty that I made last night. I felt like I was having a deluxe breakfast at a fancy hotel. So good.

After breakfast, my husband and I went for a 45 minute walk in the rain. I am finding I'm not so out of breath on the hills and can actually carry on a somewhat breathy conversation. Feels awesome!

Lunch was a green smoothie (we have these rarely, maybe once a week - I know they are frowned upon) with loads of lettuce, coconut water, a date and a banana. I made another batch of Whole30 mayo and had a can of tuna with some bits of cut up celery and the mayo ... mmmm!

Sitting with a mug of Raspberry and Pomegranate herbal tea and settling in by the fire to read more of Gut which I mentioned upthread. Fascinating read.

Have a lovely Sunday, everyone!

(and welcome back Faraday!)

Edit: typo
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 01, 2015, 03:24:53 PM
Halloween has also made it to NZ although still not especially widespread.  We had fun dressing up in sheets and pretending to be ghosts up and down our street. The treats were mostly marshmallows or cheap made in China sweets that I don't find at all tempting. Do expect to feel a pang of regret next weekend when we toast marshmallows over a campfire though but will take pineapple and give that a whirl in the flames. Had to take myself off to the doctor this morning as my sinuses are terrible and I now have antibiotics, probiotics and more antihistamines to take. I was hoping whole30 would cure my seasonal allergies but it hasn't happened yet and I now have a sinus infection.  Still, I don't feel bad, just having to blow my nose every 2 mins which is a pain. This afternoon I'm taking my youngest son to the pools with some friends.  Not ashamed to be seen in my swimsuit although far from a bikini body. Take care everyone. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 01, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
Am I the only one who is so glad that Halloween has come and gone? I wasn't terribly tempted by the candy but it might have been nice to have a Mars bar and a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, or twelve!

Made it ok here, no problems. Although I'm eyeing a keto Reese's cup recipe on ruled.me for the wife unit.

I've been taking pictures of the crazy Oreo and other kinds of seasonal displays that are getting stood up in grocery stores and Wal-Mart. Makes me good an mad to see them. Nothing like good 'ol seething anger to reinforce your willpower!

BTW: If anyone's interested, we tried "Honeycrisp" apples and they are remarkable. Also 'effing expensive at nearly $3/lb at Wal-mart, but lordy they are good.

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For breakfast, my daughter surprised us and made eggs with onion and red bell pepper bits and spices in muffin cups and baked them. They were delicious! We also had a sliced tomato and a leftover sausage patty that I made last night. I felt like I was having a deluxe breakfast at a fancy hotel. So good.

That sounds like an excellent variation on these:
http://www.ruled.me/jalapeno-popper-egg-cups/
I think I want to try that recipe twice, once with the jalapenos and once with your variation, the onion and red bell pepper bits and spices.  DW and I are looking at doing a crustless quiche too...

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After breakfast, my husband and I went for a 45 minute walk in the rain. I am finding I'm not so out of breath on the hills and can actually carry on a somewhat breathy conversation. Feels awesome!

Tell brother (DH) I say "Hey!"

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(and welcome back Faraday!)

Glad to be back! It's strange to change my forum name, but I'm happy with it. Not sure why I didn't think of this one to start with.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 02, 2015, 11:20:11 AM
Faraday, I think you will like your breakfast poppers more than mine due to the addition of bacon and cheese!

I'm on day 25 of my first Whole30 today. I'm kind of glad my end date falls on a weekend so I won't be quite as busy and can take note of any unusual symptoms as I add back 1 food group. I'm leaning towards adding grains (excluding wheat), but I also can hear dairy products calling my name...hmmm.

I still plan to jump right back into another Whole30 within a day or two. I still have much weight to lose to be healthy and I know I've had great success this first round, even though I haven't stepped on the scale since sometime in week 1 (at that point, I'd lost 4.8 lbs already, well at least by the scales. Probably mostly water weight but exciting nonetheless!)

My sweet little 8 year old boy made me a sliced apple and almond butter for breakfast to surprise me. I couldn't say no, even though I was looking forward to eggs today.

My adult daughter couldn't wait to go to work today to tell the ladies who are pooh-poohing Whole30 that she is wearing jeans she bought in 2012 AND her mom is wearing her old jeans!! YAY!

Lunch will be a salad with tuna and W30 mayo and dinner is a meat spaghetti sauce.  My daughter and I will be having zoodles (zucchini noodles done with a carrot peeler) -- I couldn't believe how delicious they were. I've started the sauce this morning so it will simmer all day in the crockpot. The addition of 1/2 cup of applesauce cuts the acidity of the tomatoes. In the past, I've always added about 1/4 cup of white sugar to a big pot of sauce ... ewwww!

That reminds me, last night I bought a Happy Planet smoothie in a bottle at the grocery store to share with my daughter as a treat (they are compliant). I had some in the car and when I got home, I said to my daughter, "That was too sweet ... said your mom, NEVER!" Wow! I'm not sure I've ever uttered those words!

Have a great day everyone! How was your weekend?

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 02, 2015, 11:39:12 AM
Liz - Good to know that the mozza pizza crust didn't affect you, there is some hope for me!

KiwiSonya - Sorry you are still having issues with your Seasonal Allergies. Hoping you get back to feeling normal soon! Good job on not being tempted by the Halloween Candy! I'm happy to say that I didn't find it even remotely tempting too!

1967mama - It is so awesome to hear how you and your daughter are doing, and that your family is supporting you! So awesome to have your son make you a nice breakfast. He is picking up good habits by the behaviour you are modeling, keep it up! A great big shout out to your daughter too! Hope she has lots of fun with her co-workers today, who knows, maybe one or two of them will be inspired to join in.

Have a HUGE (4kg) batch of Khalua pork in the crockpot. Have been so busy that meal prep has been sliding and definitely feeling like we need to make sure we are getting more greens in. It has been a bit of a shock to the system going from our Garden and CSA veggies back to the expensive and not nearly as tasty store ones. Been feeling a little uninspired.

We are still on the plan, just trying to decide what we should be introducing next. Planning on a US weekend trip with my mom and sister on the 14th, so need to reintro a couple of things before then, just to see how I'm feeling so I have some kind of benchmark.  Planning to eat mostly on plan, but not going to sweat it if I try something that isn't, as long as it is done with consious intent.

That's really what it all comes down to and I think Whole 30 gives you the space and structure to get into the habit of thinking of life that way.

There are quite a few people on the boards who don't budget at all, they buy whatever they want - they just do it with conscious intent. It is not something I ever thought could work (I love my budget) but now I understand the idea behind it a whole lot better and could see it working at some point in the future.

Hubs actually announced yesterday that he is going to start a "Media Whole 30" Becuase he is tired of wasting time on video games and random internet surfing.  He has noticed, especially with doing the whole 30, that playing games/wasting time doesn't make him feel any better they are the nutritionally void (addictive) junk food of the whole 30 in his life. He doesn't have room for them in his life anymore. Call me shocked. I think it is awesome!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 02, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Hubs actually announced yesterday that he is going to start a "Media Whole 30" Becuase he is tired of wasting time on video games and random internet surfing.  He has noticed, especially with doing the whole 30, that playing games/wasting time doesn't make him feel any better they are the nutritionally void (addictive) junk food of the whole 30 in his life. He doesn't have room for them in his life anymore. Call me shocked. I think it is awesome!

I'm having this problem too. But what makes it tough for me is that I'm constantly reading/researching GOOD things: these forums, ebikes, bicycles, finance, keto/Whole30/ruled.me. Even the shop manuals for my car are online and not printed any more.

I think I need to set a time of day after which I shut the computer off and walk away. 8pm, maybe?

swick, has your DH said how he intends to accomplish his "Media Whole 30"?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 02, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
KiwiSonya - Great job with Halloween, and staying away from the junk!  I was tempted for about 2 seconds by a York peppermint patty (love mint + chocolate), but the temptation passed really quickly. Crap....I was really hoping for you that your allergies would just disappear with the Whole30.  It could be possible that you need longer?  I'm just thinking about other things like gluten, and how that can take quite a while for it to get out of your system. Wishing you the best and feel better soon!

1967mama - You're almost there!  Whooppp, whoppp!  I was thinking about you the other day, as I put on my jeans and they are HUGE!  I think it's time to retire those jeans.  I'm well into my next size smaller, and even those are getting big. Also, I don't want to bum you out, but I will tell you that my weight lose has slowed WAY down.  I'm pretty close to fully compliant and lost about 4 lbs in October.  I have to admit that I was bummed after weighing my self (even after my 'ignore the numbers' post), since I also have about 50 lbs to lose. But, I got over it quickly, and just reminded myself about good I'm feeling, and how much better my clothes are fitting.  Don't get discouraged if this also happens to you.  :-)

Swick  - YES!  Love your hubby's label of 'Media whole 30' for cutting out the electronic distractions. You have a great way with words, and described it perfectly. I've been having a similar 'fight' with myself to cut the Dish cord. There's so much junk on TV now, but there is just that one or two shows that make me keep it.  But....I just ordered an antenna to see what I get OTA, so I'm taking my first step to also cutting the cord (at least for PAYING for that cord).

Yesterday I had my first brown rice in TWO months!  I also had it again for lunch today. So far I feel a little more bloated, but not too bad.  I'm still trying to determine whether it's bloating, or just being full.  I only had about 1/2 cup of rice with each meal, because I wanted to make sure I wasn't stuffing myself.

Hope everyone has another great week and month of eating well!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 02, 2015, 02:33:47 PM
Hubs actually announced yesterday that he is going to start a "Media Whole 30" Becuase he is tired of wasting time on video games and random internet surfing.  He has noticed, especially with doing the whole 30, that playing games/wasting time doesn't make him feel any better they are the nutritionally void (addictive) junk food of the whole 30 in his life. He doesn't have room for them in his life anymore. Call me shocked. I think it is awesome!

I'm having this problem too. But what makes it tough for me is that I'm constantly reading/researching GOOD things: these forums, ebikes, bicycles, finance, keto/Whole30/ruled.me. Even the shop manuals for my car are online and not printed any more.

I think I need to set a time of day after which I shut the computer off and walk away. 8pm, maybe?

swick, has your DH said how he intends to accomplish his "Media Whole 30"?

His idea is evolving and he's trying to figure out the best way to do it. We don't have TV so that is easy.

What it basically comes down to is being very conscious about what he is doing. He's tied to the computer for much of the day at work and also uses the internet for loads of "good" research and such, like you, Faraday. The problem with the "good" research is it can become a time sink and a waste of time - but it is "excusable" because you "are doing something productive" or at least your brain thinks you are and it is easy to believe. This is the SWYPO of the Media whole 30 :)

So it is training yourself and finding that balance and being able to know when you are really, truly doing something productive or you should be doing something else.

To give you an idea, this was the email he sent me at Lunch from work:
"I’ve checked my e-mail once today at 12:05, which is fine. I’ve caught myself once clicking on a non-essential webpage, and checked myself 3 times before clicking anything, but so far so good."

As far as video games, he doesn't want to play them this month. He bundled up his game boy (which he sometimes uses to relax, more often than not it is one more battle/stage/whatever before bed which turns into getting to bed late) and put it in a box in the closet and wrote on the outside of the box: "You get to choose how you spend your time. Do you REALLY want to be wasting it on this?"

He's going to be limiting computer time in the evenings to working on specific projects (he's made a huge list of things he enjoys and wants to get done) or researching specific things he has pre-decided. Again, it's about figuring out how to use the internet as a tool instead of feeding an addiction, loneliness, boredom or some other reason.

This is something he shad said multiple times he would like to do and has never had the follow through, Which is exactly what I (and we) can say about our diet changes. How that we know it is possible and we have this success behind us, I think the results are going to be awesome :)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 02, 2015, 04:17:23 PM
Hubs actually announced yesterday that he is going to start a "Media Whole 30" Because he is tired of wasting time on video games and random internet surfing. I think it is awesome!
I'm having this problem too. swick, has your DH said how he intends to accomplish his "Media Whole 30"?

His idea is evolving and he's trying to figure out the best way to do it. We don't have TV so that is easy.

I'm going to try setting a "shutdown by" time of 9pm. I'll try it the rest of this week, to see how it works out.

swick, how about I start a new thread on this topic rather than polluting the Whole30 thread - if I do, will you contribute with the results DH gets? I'm truly interested in this topic, as I'm starting to lose too much real-world time in the online world...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 02, 2015, 05:03:12 PM
Wins for Today

*Feeling like a smaller person
*Moving 2 places smaller on my belt
*Trying to eat my meals and wait for hunger instead of snacking incessantly
*Moving around more in my day at home
*Cleaning up and decluttering
*Keeping my homeschooled kids on track
*Preparing a crockpot full of spaghetti sauce with ground beef and a ton of veggies

Anyone else want to share?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 02, 2015, 06:45:01 PM
*didn't eat the Halloween candy that was strewn all over the office.  Not even one little piece.
*No cheese with my beans and chile verde for dinner.  Ate it over Romaine instead of on tortillas
*went for a walk with DH at lunch (we work in adjacent buildings)
*making up some food to bring along as I'll be at a hotel tomorrow night (last hotel stay of the year, I hope!)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 03, 2015, 02:01:09 AM
- let myself be grumpy and brushed my teeth to head off unnecessary emotional eating.
- shopped with a list for lots of good food to take camping (need to prep and cook it over the next few days.
-resisted my favorite chocolate biscuits offered at a training course.
- after learning that choking is a highly common and preventable way to die at my first aid course I made a promise to myself to end all eating on the run.
Doing great everyone!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 03, 2015, 07:25:47 AM
Love this idea!

WINS
*Upped my water intake
*Continued to eat mostly W30 after finishing my thirty days
*Doing well with the slow roll introduction -- got over my fears of reintro'ing foods
*Fit into a pair of jeans I haven't been able to wear in awhile!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 03, 2015, 04:47:34 PM
Love the idea of sharing Wins!

 - Made a ginger beef sauce without the usual 1 1/2 cups of brown sugar and soy sauce in it. It was awesome!
 - In the process of establishing boundaires with my clients. Said yes to a conference call after hours and then caught myself and said no as I would be giving up my time to walk.
 - Completely out of pants that fit me.
 - Found a hoodie at the thrift from a  local clothing company that only makes sporty sizes. Tried on their largest hoodie a couple of months ago at their store and couldn't do it up. Bought one exactly like the one I tried on (brand new!) for 12.00 instead of the 149.00 reg price.
 - Have been really conscious of water intake (something I have never been good at)

How is everyone else doing?!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 03, 2015, 07:32:43 PM
For the first time, I was feeling a teeny tiny bit bored with my eating.  While I was out my daughter made us a compliant raspberry sorbet even though I hadn't mentioned this to her!!! Mostly, I think I'm just feeling sorry for myself while my husband is away on business:-( Usually I would treat myself to candy, bake somehing yummy, drink hot chocolate. Yadda Yadda Yadda 

Swick - What a score on the hoodie! I'm looking forward to being able to buy normal sizes at stores.  It's hard to find plus sized stuff at thrift stores.

Liz - You've inspired me to not be afraid of the end of my Whole 30 this coming Saturday!
Maybe I should give myself a week off instead of a day and reintroduce some foods.

Kiwisonya - Made me laugh when you brushed your teeth when you were grumpy! Great strategy!

Mom22boys - Thank you SOOOOO much for openly sharing your weight loss story with me. I don't want to be discouraged by those darn scales when I've had so much success here these last 25 days.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 03, 2015, 11:02:44 PM
Hmmm, healthy food is completely ineffective as a distraction and cheer up mechanism.  Have just stuffed slow cooked lamb and mashed potatoes followed by a small monkey bowl and a couple of dates in quick succession. Result very uncomfortable tummy and not even slightly cheered up. Crap! It's quite funny when you look at the dilemma on paper -of  course food shouldn't be cheering me up but in the past in really honestly has. Need some new strategies otherwise the weight loss will grind to a halt.  Anyone else care to share their strategies for cheering up that don't involve chocolates or cornflakes (yeah, weird I know). I'm so impressed with all of you. I'm impressed that I haven't given up yet but obviously still some work to do. Off to brush those teeth...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 03, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Kiwi - I was staring down the cereal in the pantry tonight, so you're not the only one! You are so, so right -- I was just saying to my adult daughter tonight (who is doing Whole30 with me and is thrilled with her results, by the way) that its really so clear to me that emotional eating has been my medicine. Tonight when I was driving the kids to a weekly church event, I was thinking how most weeks, I "treat" myself by shopping a little at the dollar store, then buying myself some candy and scarfing it down before I pick up the kids ... and making sure I dispose of the evidence. Ugh!

It has never been so clear to me as it was today. I know that I'm an emotional eater...have for years. But today, TODAY I felt it and pushed past it for the Very. First. Time.

Edit: typo
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 04, 2015, 12:53:46 AM
Wow, that's awesome 1967mama. Guess there is hope for me too. I can't even remember when I started using food like this, I must have been younger than teens. But I can now recognise that food isn't the solution as it just makes me feel crap and ultimate unhappy because I look and feel bad in my own skin. What's the worse that can happen if I actually just let myself feel the emotions instead of squashing. Let's find out. Certainly can't be any worse than carrying a 10kg weight around with me wherever I go. It's do great to hear you guys working as a mother-daughter team. That is special!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Caoineag on November 04, 2015, 06:57:44 AM
I have been lurking on this thread for awhile since I will be doing an elimination diet come end of December (think stricter Whole 30) but wanted to add for all the Americans on this thread having issues with locating bacon without weird stuff in it, look for pork belly. American bacon is cured pork belly so if you buy pork belly instead, no chemicals but all the flavor.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 04, 2015, 07:46:21 AM
***Emotional eating***

Is such a tough one. Whole 30 tends to bring into focus problems you didn't know you had or weren't able to acknowledge.

The question I had to ask myself, and put forth to you is "why do you feel like you need to deal with your emotions by eating?" It is an escape, a way to suppress or hide from feeling. It is a substitution which gives you those fleeting "feel good" hits which always lead to a crash and feeling worse - at the end of the day whatever is behind it is still there.

Why do you have to hide? Why can't you create the space and honor yourself (physically, mentally, emotionally) to allow yourself to feel and process emotions as they come up? (I'm a life long suppressor, I know it is not easy) Are you better off in your interactions and in your relationships with your SO, family and friends if you plaster on a smile, pretend everything is peachy keen and then dive into the chocolate or get that sugar hit when no one is looking so you can put up the facade just a little bit longer?

Here are a couple of things I have found makes a difference for me:

 - Acknowledge emotions as they come up. There are no "bad" emotions. Honor your feelings whatever they are. If you are angry, sad, happy...whatever you are feeling - be okay with it. Don't be afraid to tell other people. How many times has your feeling been amplified or you have gotten into an argument because someone "doesn't understand you" or "can't see that you're upset" or they guess wrong and make an assumption...when you are doing your best to "hide" your emotions in the first place. 

Just because you share how you are feeling DOES NOT put it on the other person to "fix" Using "I" Statements is very helpful. "I'm feeling a little overwhelmed/anxious/angry/whatever right now. I don't need you to fix it, I just have to feel through it."

 - Substitute behaviors. Emotional eating can be triggered by people/places/events. Figure out what your triggers are and figure out an alternative action. You can avoid some triggers, but some are easier to transmute...for example, 1967 mama, your trigger is going to drop off your kids (and maybe getting a little "me" time?) Could you instead of going to the dollar store, go to a local park for a quick walk, find a nice place to read something that inspires you or take a portable passion project with you that you never have time to do at home?

 - One Small Action- If it is something specific that is bothering you, what is one small action you can take right now on it instead of giving into emotional eating?  (Step one for me is usually stopping to figure out what emotions are showing up) Taking any positive progress should be enough to get you through - if it is not - take another and another - pretty soon you will have your problem solved or an action plan in place to deal with it. Don't give away your power to make change by turning to food instead.

The big thing for me that I keep coming back to is just living consciously. Asking myself if I am really hungry and why am I eating.

***

Tonight we are going to be reintroducing Basmati Rice. We haven't really tried to reintroduce anything except milk which was...oh I guess just about a month ago? How time flies! We are going to speed up our re-intro just so we can get a baseline before the holidays. Have some big events we have to go to so knowing which foods will cause us the least amount of problems will be handy.

How is everyone else doing? Who has some Wins to Share?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 04, 2015, 04:27:20 PM
1967mama ~ I'm so excited for you that you're almost done with your Whole30! And definitely don't be scared about reintroducing stuff like I was at the beginning LOL -- just like the Whole30, it's for YOU -- and the nice thing about it is that you can tailor it to your specifications.  I still haven't reintroduced grains or gluten. But I'm REALLY happy that I tried aged cheese and know that I can tolerate it. I'm actually eating low carb right now while still mostly incorporating Whole30 rules, and I am really enjoying it. I feel great. This weekend I will be in Asheville/Saluda area (Faraday, is that your part of NC?), so will save any new reintros for next weekend.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 04, 2015, 10:09:21 PM
WINNING!

So, I went to the doctor today for a 6 month checkup (iron deficient anemia which I was diagnosed with 6 months ago). While walking in, I saw the big medical scale. I thought that it would be legitimate for me to be weighed at the doctors office and have my weight recorded. Well I almost fell over! I am on day 27 of my first Whole30 and I have lost 14 pounds!!!!!! I'm so pleased with this side effect of my wonderful month of rediscovering myself and feeling good in my skin again. No more brain fog! No more mid-afternoon slumps! No more wild blood sugar swings! I love feeling like I'm putting good food into my body and am
No longer abusing my insides with nutritionally inferior food or food products. YUCK!

Thanks for the wonderful post on emotional eating, Swick. You gave me a lot to ponder and I will reread it again and again! I'm actually thinking of reading the whole thread from the beginning before I start another Whole30.

Liz, thanks so much for the encouragement. You're a great cheerleader!

Caoineag, thanks for the tip on bacon! I read every package I can find and none are compliant!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 04, 2015, 10:13:40 PM
WINNING!
 ... 
I am on day 27 of my first Whole30 and I have lost 14 pounds!!!!!! I'm so pleased with this side effect of my wonderful month of rediscovering myself and feeling good in my skin again. No more brain fog! No more mid-afternoon slumps! No more wild blood sugar swings! I love feeling like I'm putting good food into my body and am
No longer abusing my insides with nutritionally inferior food or food products. YUCK!

That's the same way it played out for me when I was about two months into keto. I love the way you put it: that weight loss is a side effect. DW and I started out for weight loss but when we began to realize the health benefits, weight loss became secondary to feeling better and having a far better quality of life. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 04, 2015, 10:15:00 PM
Thanks for the wonderful post on emotional eating, Swick. You gave me a lot to ponder and I will reread it again and again! I'm actually thinking of reading the whole thread from the beginning before I start another Whole30.


No problem :) I found it very helpful to go back and reread the whole thread on day 31. For me it was important to see how far I'd come, reinforce what I learned along the way and see everything in the light of having completed it. I got a lot from the old posts!

That is a pretty awesome side-effect, 1967mamma! I bet your doctor was pretty impressed :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 04, 2015, 10:55:55 PM
Yeah, my doctor and the nurse who weighed me were both impressed. It was cool! Usually I dread the annual weigh in at the doctor's office .. haha! I'm laughing at those dumb scales now!

Stupid Scales! I'm breaking up with you FOREVAH!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 05, 2015, 07:59:04 AM
swick ~ How did the basmati rice reintroduction go?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 05, 2015, 02:13:04 PM
swick ~ How did the basmati rice reintroduction go?

I think hubs was happy :) I discovered I could take it or leave it - Granted I did not make friend rice, which is one of my favorite food ever. I think I enjoyed the smell of it cooking more than the taste.

Didn't really notice anything symptom wise. I think that rice is the least problematic of the grain-like foods. I will definitely have some sushi at some point and thoroughly enjoy it :D

That being said, rice is pretty high glycemic and not really necessary for a healthy diet - so probably won't be making a regular appearance.

I think the next re-into will be some chickpeas. We haven't done the beans yet, and we really miss them.

How is everyone doing today?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 05, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
swick ~ How did the basmati rice reintroduction go?

I think hubs was happy :) I discovered I could take it or leave it - Granted I did not make friend rice, which is one of my favorite food ever. I think I enjoyed the smell of it cooking more than the taste.
...
How is everyone doing today?

Top Notch! I'm staying pretty well into ketosis and all is right with the world. Good job on the rice! i haven't had any in two years and I'm happy as can be. (and I LOVE sushi...so I do miss it...a tiny bit...)

Oh well, I guess I can "make do" with sashimi?! :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 05, 2015, 02:40:28 PM
Oh well, I guess I can "make do" with sashimi?! :-) :-) :-)

Lol it is an option, I live, however, farther away from any ocean then I would like - especially for eating sashimi.  My sushi is usually homemade, so sashimi for me would be, carrot sticks, cucumber, avocado and maybe some thawed frozen seafood, if I was lucky :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
My son made sushi last night so I made myself a bowl of "Deconstructed Sushi" which was delicious! Avacado, cucumber, haddock and coconut aminos!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 05, 2015, 08:11:02 PM
My son made sushi last night so I made myself a bowl of "Deconstructed Sushi" which was delicious! Avacado, cucumber, haddock and coconut aminos!

Oh crap that's awesome. I add avocado to salads now and it's heaven.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 07, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
Tomorrow is Day30 for me. I can't believe I've been able to this. I have never been able to stick with an eating plan like this before, let alone 100% compliant. I will weigh myself in the morning. I've been very busy as I have house guests that arrived today, and I've stuck with it. More fruit was eaten than recommended, but I ate that instead of crappity-crap so I'm ok with it. Had a monkey bowl tonight and it tasted soooo good. I was craving that, which would have seemed odd to me 30 days ago.

Thank you for all the wonderful support I've received on this particular thread ... you guys were my lifeline, truly! I will report in on my reintroduction and whether I decide to do another Whole30 right away -- especially if reintroduction isn't going well.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 07, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
Oh, hey! Congratulations, 1967mama. Finishing a whole30 really does feel great. Good luck on your reintroduction phase. Do you have a timeline worked out?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 08, 2015, 07:19:16 AM
Congratulations, 1967, you've made it!!  It's been really exciting to follow you on this adventure, and great that you and your daughter are having such great success!

Today is Day 1 for me.  I'm not going to bother weighing in since yesterday I: 1) ran a half marathon, 2) totally over-indulged with Sonic after the race, and then a big fancy birthday dinner with drinks and dessert and the whole 9 yards.  Whatever my weight is right now, I'm sure it's wonky.  On more normal days recently I've been between 166-168, so I'll use 167 as my baseline.  I'd love to see 162 since that's kind of my body's fit/healthy set point.

Anyway, my schedule is clear today so I'll be making ghee, breakfast sausage, coconut butter and whatever else I can think of to streamline this.  I was excited to discover that Mulay's Italian sausage from Natural Grocer is compliant.  It's nice to have a couple easy options for busy days.  My husband is participating too, albeit less strictly.  Basically no chips, booze or straight-up sugar for him (he's still having his yogurt and granola bars and such), so it will be easier without icecream and beer appearing in the house.

I did check my fish sauce and it isn't "pure" but I can't seem to find Red Boat - no dice at Whole Foods - but I'm not going to stress about such a tiny bit of preservative.  WF did have coconut milk with no additives.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 08, 2015, 08:28:42 AM
CONGRATS 1967mamma and Daughter!

WAHOO YOU DID IT!!!


So Awesome :D What is next for your reintro? It's an exciting and somewhat scary time :)

I'll be joining you and speeding up my reintro because I'm going Stateside on a girls weekend with my mom and sister this week....aaannnd....Back to round 2 on the 16th! This time my mom is going to be joining me, and I'm so excited for her!

Faraday, you've been a bit of an influence, I've been looking into Keto and I think I might try and do a Ketofied Whole 30 this time. Which, don't know how it is going to go without the potatoes and banana's and tasty compliant things like that.

How is yours going, Liz?

Welcome to the journey, horsepoor! If a bit of preservative is the worst that is in your fish sauce, I wouldn't be too worried, the only commercial ones I can find also have sugar in them.

WIN:
Finally conceded the fact that I needed to get some pants that actually fit. Usually I buy from the thrift, but a store was having a great sale on some fleece lined pants. (My legs are cold from about Sept-April) and I have been out walking lots.  Was pleasantly surprised to discover that I easily fit into a 14 - down from an 18 :)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 08, 2015, 11:47:54 AM
Congratulations 1967mama and daughter. What an awesome achievement.  It has been a real pleasure to share the journey with you!
Swick, thanks for last week's thought provoking post on emotional eating. I'm taking some positive steps and this is going to be the focus of my next whole30 in mid Jan.
I'm Day 26 now and have survived three days tent camping while staying compliant. Lots of preplanning and food prep in advance was the key. Everyone was drooling over my cauliflower fried rice with roasted cashews and sambal while they were eating precooked sausages wrapped in bread. I noticed that I was able to spend more time kicking balls with the kids than previous trips because I have more energy.  And I slept like a log, despite kids waking a lot.
I'd like to complete a full reintro before Xmas do that this experience isn't wasted. But I am committed to eating this way more or less permanently now as I feel so great. I imagine I will want to have occasional non compliant treats rather than wholesale reintroduction of dairy or wheat in my daily diet. I'm also interested in trying keto as I have enjoyed the results when I have the metallic taste in my mouth but it disappears with too much fruit or potato. Have a great day everyone.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 08, 2015, 03:04:10 PM
Way to go 1967mama and daughter!
 
We are all excited for you, and so glad we could help support you through this journey.  Now time for reintro!  Swick said it best (as usual :-)) that this is an exciting and scary time.  Reintro has been easier and harder than I thought. Let us know your plans.  I wish I had been more precise in my plans, because I think it would make things easier.

For my reintro so far:  I first added back dairy (cheese) and had no issues.  Next I added back rice, which was this last week. While I didn't notice any physical problems, I did notice that the more meals I ate with the rice, the more I wanted. When I make rice, I typically make 3-4 cups at a time, so I have it for the whole week. I may have to change that approach so it's not easily available for me to use with meals. Yesterday my cousin came over for a movie night, and we made chili with cornbread.  I really wish I hadn't eaten the cornbread and only stuck with the chili to reintro beans.  Today I feel like crap. My stomach feels like it could explode. I am so bloated.  I've been drinking water, water, water to see if I can help flush this out of my system FAST! I'm so frustrated since I don't know if it was the beans, grains, or gluten.  I'm guessing it was the gluten. 

It's funny how it's still so easy to slip back into old thinking.  Today as I'm prepping food for the week, I though I should make cookies for the kids (and of course eat some dough), since I'm already feeling crappy I might as well go all out and really feel crappy. Thankfully I was able to talk myself out of that quickly. That's huge progress for me, but I'm still working on things.

Yeah for lose pants too!  Sizes are soooo funny with pants though too, and are another number I try to ignore.  I have a pair of 16st that are HUGE, and I have a pair of 18st that I still can't button.  Weird!

I'm trying to figure out when I'm going to start my next round too. I know Thanksgiving will be hard to be 100% compliant, but as my friends in Canada how shown, it's possible. My mom will be much better with making me compliant foods now too. Decisions, decisions. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 08, 2015, 04:03:06 PM
It's funny how it's still so easy to slip back into old thinking.  Today as I'm prepping food for the week, I though I should make cookies for the kids (and of course eat some dough), since I'm already feeling crappy I might as well go all out and really feel crappy. Thankfully I was able to talk myself out of that quickly. That's huge progress for me, but I'm still working on things.
So. Much. This. This is definitely the same old thinking pattern I use to have and addictive personalities run in my family, I know I am susceptible.

Way to go for recognizing the behaviour and changing the outcome! Hope you get back to feeling fabulous, mom22boys!

Awesome job on keeping whole 30 while camping, KiwiSonya!

We had a bit of Manchego on our eggs this morning. Don't seem to be having any ill affects yet. Kind of surprised with how bad milk was. Hubs (who loves. loves cheese) and is really big on texture and has missed it said it was almost too distractingly creamy. Amazing how tastes can change. I still loved it :)

Couple of nights ago we stove top popped some organic popcorn. That seemed to be fine too.

I really should try gluten/wheat but I'm almost scared to because I know on an intellectual level it isn't good, and it's probably not going to be a part of our lives. I'm not sure if accepting that will be easier or worse if we end up trying it and reacting to it.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 09, 2015, 08:55:40 AM
Swick, it seems like it might be a good idea to try it and see how you react.  There may be situations where you're traveling or in a social setting where avoiding it will be a serious PITA, and it would be good to know what sort of lengths it's worth going to to avoid it. 

I devised a pretty good non-egg breakfast that can be made ahead of time - 1 part canned coconut milk and 1 part canned sweet potato or pumpkin.  Add in copious amounts of pie spice, blend and stir in chia seeds.  Better with a little bit of stevia, but of course that's not 100% compliant if you're still doing W30.  You could probably throw in date or banana if you wanted to sweeten it up without the stevia.  Makes a pretty good substitute for yogurt as a grab-and-go.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 09, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
That sounds like a yummy breakfast,  Horsepoor. With 4 days to go I am in exactly the place they predict,  wanting to weigh and measure because I'm nearly there.  Had to laugh when I went to the local pharmacy and their scales were out of order. Not sure how I'm going to measure my end result because I don't have scales any more due to excessive scale watching in the past.  Might ask the neighbors as I certainly don't want to buy them and have them lying around the house. I'm going to follow Whole30 advice and set some goals for my remaining days. These are:
- Slow down my eating. Spent 15 mins cooking chachouka -Moroccan eggs in spicy tomato sauce and devoured them in 3 mins. What a piggy!
- Drink more water. Now thst I don't guzzle tea all day I need to up my intake. Probably only had 3 cups yesterday.  Try to double this.
- Ask myself am I really hungry or do I need to do something else (thanks Swick!)
- Plan my reintroduction. Going to start with dairy to get the worst out of the way first.
Hope everyone else is doing well today. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on November 09, 2015, 03:49:54 PM
Kiwisonya, I have had good luck finding a scale by walking into the nearest gym and asking if I can go in and use theirs. No-one has ever said no, or even looked at me sideways. Admittedly, I am on the other side of the globe from you, so local social norms may vary.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 09, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
Good idea, thanks Botanist.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 10, 2015, 01:24:55 AM
Hi Whole30 Buddies!

Thank you sooooo much for your kind words of support and celebration. It means a lot to me! (((hugs))) to all!

I'm sorry that I have been AWOL. I have had house guests for 4 days and they just left early this evening so its been a fun but busy time.

I decided to try some oatmeal with applesauce and cinnamon for my first day of reintroduction. It tasted very delicious. For lunch I was craving eggs .. hahahaha! Who woulda thunk it?! We had spaghetti for dinner so I had zoodles and sauce, which I have grown to love! In the evening, I had ONE Godiva chocolate from the box our houseguests had brought. My son brought them to me because he knew I was finsihed my Whole30 and she was sitting right there, so I just couldn't say no. It was meh, which is really surprising to me!

After assessing my day, I decided that the oatmeal hadn't been all that exciting and that I would like to do another Whole30 straight away! So I have just completed day 1. It was much, much easier than my first day 1 a month ago! I will be very interested in how my head handles this second Whole30. It feels like a different adventure than the first time because I know the ins and outs of the program.

I think I need to get through "It Starts With Food" so that I can deepen my understanding of the program and how to get the maximum benefit out of it. 

Kiwisonya - I'm trying to time this so that I can reintroduce grains and dairy over Christmas, so today being Day 1, I'm hopeful it will all work out without any restarts this time. I'm with you on feeling so great that I want to keep eating like this!

Swick - I'm scared of wheat too! haha! It will be the very last thing I introduce when I eventually get to that stage. Much fat loss must happen first.

Horsepoor - I am totally making that breakfast tomorrow! Great to have another idea for a non-egg breakfast!

Mom22boys - Sorry for your tummy troubles - I have had a few days like that too. Weirdly for me, I figured out that my stomach was getting upset and bloated from too much iron. I take iron pills due to anemia and I think I"m getting so much protein that I don't need the pills anymore. I am getting a blood test this week to prove out my theory.

SailorSam - It DID feel great to complete a Whole 30 and now I will be calling it a Whole 60. I had just one day between challenges. I feel to good to let go of this now.

Have a great day, everyone!

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 10, 2015, 08:02:54 AM

Swick - I'm scared of wheat too! haha! It will be the very last thing I introduce when I eventually get to that stage. Much fat loss must happen first.


UGGGHHH....I feel like I got hit by a truck....

So yeah, inspired by ya'll to get over the fear and try some wheat, I had a serving of ramen noodles in my soup last night. Within about 10 minutes my hand and scalp started to really itch. Within an hour I started to ache everywhere. It basically triggered a Fibro Flare up. My fingers, my wrists, my arms, my hips, my sciatica in my leg, everything aches, I can't sit comfortably, or sleep comfortably, or heck, stand comfortably. Also, leg cramps came back. I'm not feeling any better this morning....*sigh*

I guess I have my answer.

I started reading (and almost finished) "lose the wheat, lose the weight"  By William Davis, MD I borrowed it from my mom. Figured I may as well do something to distract me. All it really did was highlight and reinforce how horrible wheat and gluten are for you *double sigh*

1967mama - While I wouldn't want you to feel like I do at the moment, I would suggest reintroducing wheat and gluten now and getting it over with.  Depending on your reaction (or hopefully non-reaction) it might change how you do your next whole 30, how you feel about everything/your motivation/what you have to process and or accept.  I know I'm going to be looking at things very differently then if I had just avoided trying it and continued on.

Also - reintroducing wheat around the holidays might not be the best time for your overall health, feeling good and good cheer. I know I'm going to be planning my holidays (and how to navigate family and social obligations) very differently. I don't ever want to feel like this again.

I think my next version of whole 30 will include a little cheese and fermented dairy (if I can handle it)  but really focus on developing the keto/low carb approach (so not being as reliant on fruit and sweet potato)

Well at least I learned a thing or two. I'm rather grumpy this morning, how bout distracting me by sharing your successes, thoughts, challenges and wins?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 10, 2015, 08:10:55 AM
Great to hear that you're jumping back into it, and didn't find the things you decided to reintro all that compelling!

Swick, wow!  I feel sort of bad for suggesting it now that you've had such a bad reaction, but I guess you now know.  Geeze, hope you're feeling better soon.

Today is day 3 here.  I've slept like a rock the last two nights.  Last night DH asked me what kinds of desserts were W30 compliant and I told him "Fruit."  He said "That makes me want to cry like an 8 year old kid."  But he stuck it out.  But that's kind of the point isn't it?  To have a more mature relationship with food and not look to it for entertainment.  We had a delicious dinner that more than met our nutritional needs, so why the need to eat additional crap out of boredom or habit or whatever?  He's not alone in that - having a glass or two of wine after dinner is a bit too much of a habit for me, but I'm just switching to herbal tea and not really missing it.  Did some yoga last night as a healthy diversion as well.

Maybe I can get him into an after dinner tea habit.  Some of the fruit teas are good for that, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen him drink a cup of tea, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 10, 2015, 08:12:28 AM
Hi everyone, just wanted to pop in and see how everyone is doing! I was in NC over the weekend to watch a kayak race. I went last year as well and the hike is pretty intense for someone who doesn't hike regularly. It's not a terribly long hike, but some of it involves going down a steep terrain with a rope. Anyways, compared to last year during the same hike, I had so much more energy and my asthma did not act up at all. Granted, it was 20 degrees warmer than last year, so that might of had something to do with it. But I also think being 7 pounds lighter and nourishing myself with good food has helped as well!:)

swick -- I am doing a modified version of Whole30/keto/low carb right now and I feel am thoroughly enjoying it! I've noticed I can stay full longer between meals (even longer than when doing true W30). I have kept butter back into my food rotations with no issues and occasionally cheese, so that is the only reasons I can't call it eating true W30 style. But I decided that is what the W30 is about anyways -- it's not meant to eat that way forever, but rather a food reset to see what works best for YOU!:) Let me know if you try it! At first, I thought it would be hard to keep the net carbs down, but it really hasn't been that hard at all. I've been tracking what I eat to see what my net carbs are each day but I don't think it's absolutely necessary.

1967mama -- CONGRATULATIONS on finishing your Whole30! Your story really resonated with me because I also started and stopped a couple of times before making it through another one. Really proud of you!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 10, 2015, 08:52:50 AM
Horsepoor - Yeah, the snacking/drinking in the evenings is a hard habit to break, especially at first. We had a super hard time at first just figuring out how much food to eat. I went from being a grazer/mini-meal habit so the idea of sitting down for three large meals a day and eating the volume of food required at each meal was really tough. It was especially harder at night when we didn't get the balance right. What has worked for us is we eat as much as we want, eat 20 minutes and have another serving of dinner or veggies.

This doesn't really help with the psychological side of things those, for that it helps to have a bunch of strategies to distract yourself of replace your habits/triggers with healthier options, like your yoga, that is great!

I'm grumbly, but I am glad I did it today. Much better to get it out of the way then have it ruin my trip this weekend!

Liz - So cool that you found the hike easier! I will definitely be picking your brain for your experiences! I'm starting on the 16th (officially) not planning on reintroducing anything else this time around - since what I would be introducing would be off limits under the low-carb lifestyle anyways.

Faraday - Dude, you come in, slowly convert some of us to at least the idea of trying keto - and then you disappear! Hope your doing well, wherever you are! (Yup, shameless attempt to get you to check in) ;)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 10, 2015, 11:12:05 AM
Hi all, great to see so many posts to catch up on. Swick, I'm sorry you're feeling so rotten. I hope it.improves soon. I can see the benefit though of knowing that you don't eat wheat because it makes you feel awful rather than whole30 being the reason. I was going to roll straight into a whole60 and squeeze my reintro into the 13 days before xmas but am rethinking that strategy.  Don't want to be feeling lousy over the holidays.  So it might be better to do the 10 day reintro from Saturday and then give myself a whole30 after to recover! 1967mama, so proud of you for rocking into the next one. It's funny how you think Day31 will be a big blow out and you just don't want to. Day 27 here for me. Ate too much meat yesterday and woke up not hungry for breakfast. The water drinking is going well and I feel better for it. My body is now shouting at me 'do some exercise!!'. I spontaneously dropped to the ground and did a bunch if push ups and planks. It was like my body was possessed by a demon force.  Even broke into a run coming back from dropping kids at school. I used to be fit but have let that slide in a big way since kids but as the fat slides off I am pleased to report some muscle is still under there. Will squeeze some exercise into my day whenever I can now.  Have a great one everyone. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 10, 2015, 12:28:43 PM
Faraday - Dude, you come in, slowly convert some of us to at least the idea of trying keto - and then you disappear! Hope your doing well, wherever you are! (Yup, shameless attempt to get you to check in) ;)

I'm here, I'm here! I'm getting a few things in life straightened out - beginning-of-winter service for my two best bikes, buying a new bike for DW (no craigslist options panned out - people here ask a lot for their used bikes, whether they are quality or not...). I got this headcold going around past Sunday night, so I've been hitting the sack early.

swick, I don't know if it was you or someone else, but I'd accepted a challenge to limit online time, so that wiped out my late-night lurking/posting. Going into internet moratorium did help me to go to bed on time, but I'm not sure I'd say I'm actually addicted. I didn't so much care about the missing time, but I DID miss all you folks in the Whole30 thread!

swick, is it you looking at going KETO? Have you done so yet, and are you really wanting to go for that with Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's and the like bearing down on us?

Keto, by it's nature is a very subversive diet/lifestyle. I ran into no end of challenge, bullshit and argument. I don't mean I went looking for it, I mean it got dished up almost instantly by people very invested in their high-carb, high-foodshit lifestyles.

I'm not discouraging you. I'm just saying that as we enter the peak of the Season of Insanity, it exposes the practitioner of the ketogenic lifestyle to more criticism and potential conflict. I cling to the ketogenic lifestyle even more energetically as winter comes on because I know our bodies want to pack on the LBs as it gets colder....but let me tell you something: a trip to Walmart involves a lot of "artificial anger and indignance". It's how I walk past five giant displays of OREOS and don't buy any. Anger, indignance and holding sacred the path I've chosen.

Yes, living the keto lifestyle is sacred to me. I had about 15 chronic health problems clear up. Both Alzheimer's disease and diabetes is rampant on both sides of my family. So there's no bending of my choices to someone else's will. And let me tell you, people came at me like you'd think I'd announced I had become a crackhead.

Some people would hear second-and-third hand and decide they were gonna get me to "cheat". TO those people, I'd respond with shock and awe. Many times, I'd "put them off" or offend them, because I'd call them out and challenge their right to decide what goes in my damn mouth.

What I'm telling you this for is because Whole30 is less subversive and more mainstream than Keto. It invites less controversy because it more-easily co-exists with general thinking about diet.

Now, if you need to increase your insulin sensitivity and avoid diabetes, Keto will do it, but people around you will start to act crazy. You might have to kick 'em in the balls and you might lose a few on the fringes.

I'm happy with the way it played out. People who stuck with me are the people I trust and care about. The people who avoid me, well, they have always been and will always be hopeless spectators.

One other thing: If your family tends to gallstones or kidney stones, you have to be aware of that and potentially have to manage it. Keto encourages the eating of fat and along with that, meats. The cholesterol inherent in these sources of fats and protein can accelerate formation of gallstones.

I've known since I was a child and watched my mother's issues with gallstones, that formation of cholesterol and calcium deposits tends to happen on the mother's side of my family. (I have one brother who deals with kidney stones long-term.) I have developed ways of handling this that work for me, that I'm glad to share. I don't have chronic problems with gallstones, but there is a spot where, when I get a "twinge", I do my maintenance routine. So far it's running about once a year, and I just finished one maintenance regimen. Works like a champ.

Finally: I'm no authority on this stuff and I don't even pretend to know a damn thing about medicine. I just listen to my body, treat everything as an experiment to be judged critically, and move forward from there.

Sorry if this came across as a sermon. I just need all of you to know that I respect you and am super-impressed at what's happened in this thread. You all took Whole30 seriously and changed your lives with it. That's remarkable - I congratulate and respect all of you for  your achievements!!!

I will be here, 110%, for anyone who wants to do keto or Whole30 or low-carb or whatever permutation works for you. ESPECIALLY if you need to do it for health and to avoid diabetes.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 10, 2015, 01:54:48 PM
Horsepoor - Your pumpkin breakfast was excellent! I added a sprinkling of pecan pieces on top to up the protein a little. I tried to assess whether it was a SWYPO item and decided it was not. But if I closed my eyes, it tasted almost like pumpkin pie.

Faraday - My daughter is encountering criticism at work on her Whole30. Very frustrating. Why would people be opposed to you eating a healthy diet and trying to better yourself?! It doesn't get her down, and she just laughs as she slips into smaller and smaller clothes that haven't fit in years. Her watch fit again last night. So proud of her. She will be 24 next week. Could you please share your regimen for dealing with gallstones? I have had 2 attacks in the last 10 years, and on this eating plan, I am definitely getting twinges again under my right rib.

Day 2 is going well. Parked a long way from the doctor's office for an appointment this morning and had a nice walk under the beautiful canopy of fall leaves. Lots of deep breaths :-) I would never have enjoyed that pre-whole 30. Also, I'm comfortably wearing an outfit I bought 3 years ago. Love it!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 10, 2015, 02:01:52 PM


swick, I don't know if it was you or someone else, but I'd accepted a challenge to limit online time, so that wiped out my late-night lurking/posting. Going into internet moratorium did help me to go to bed on time, but I'm not sure I'd say I'm actually addicted. I didn't so much care about the missing time, but I DID miss all you folks in the Whole30 thread!

swick, is it you looking at going KETO? Have you done so yet, and are you really wanting to go for that with Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's and the like bearing down on us?

<3 you Faraday!
Ahh now I feel like a wee bit of a jerk, it was totally my doing... talking bout limiting screen time! Hubs is doing very well btw :) Glad to hear you are doing well, hope your head cold sorts itself out!

I'm not too worried about the time of year, the last two months have been very good practice for setting boundaries/managing expectations and training people to realize that I decide what is and isn't healthy for me.

There is lots of good info in your post, and I really appreciate you sharing your personal experiences too!

KiwiSonya - Yay for Tigerblood and feeling like exercising! That is awesome! It is such a great and motivating feeling to realize, "yep, I got energy for that!"

1967mama - Yes people suck when you make changes for the better. It is times like that I remember one of the four agreements: "Don't take anything personally" what they say to you, has actually nothing to do with you. Good on your daughter for finding ways to ignore it, valuable life skill!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 10, 2015, 04:22:07 PM
You're awesome,  Faraday. Thanks for being our support crew. I'm keen to experiment with keto once I finish my whole30 in a few days.  Word got around at school that I am "into healthy eating" so a group of mum's has asked me to help them man a stall at the school fair serving beans and rice. Ummm, no thanks.  Ain't my idea of healthy eating.  I might just say I'm too busy. I don't want to take any shit about my food choices and my usual tactic is avoidance...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 10, 2015, 06:19:09 PM
Fucking awful day of other people's problems. None of them actually mine but a shit storm that everyone wants me to fix. Determined I'm not going to comfort eat my way out of this. Determined for the first time ever. Determined.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 10, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Faraday - My daughter is encountering criticism at work on her Whole30. Very frustrating. Why would people be opposed to you eating a healthy diet and trying to better yourself?! It doesn't get her down, and she just laughs as she slips into smaller and smaller clothes that haven't fit in years. Her watch fit again last night. So proud of her. She will be 24 next week.
I'm telling you, it's the most bizarre thing, how people think it's their business to comment and even try to influence what anyone eat. My previous posting, I had a story about someone trying to do that with me but I deleted it because the tone was just too navel-gazing. I'll just point out that I'm a 53 year old man and I've experienced the same meddling from bystanders that your daughter is seeing. It bothered me so badly at first, now I simply enjoy challenging people's misconceptions. I don't do it as easily as I used to (because I don't CARE) but if I'm poked enough, I come out swinging.

I am SO HAPPY to hear the good news about the watch!!! What a wonderful "side effect" of living healthy, eh?

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Also, I'm comfortably wearing an outfit I bought 3 years ago. Love it!
CONGRATULATIONS! Awesome Whole30 work!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 10, 2015, 06:51:43 PM
Why would people be opposed to you eating a healthy diet and trying to better yourself?!

It's one of those societal things that we love to judge each other for.  Similar to cloth vs disposable diapering; breastmilk vs formula feeding; crib vs co-sleeping. Heterosexual vs homosexual. City vs country. And let's not forget car vs bike transportation. Your way of eating is just part of the culture wars, for better or worse.

That being said, I do think the thing that drives diet contention in particular is the subconscious idea that if we control our diet just right, follow exactly the right magical formula, then we won't decay, get old, then die. Some people probably affirm the magical nature of their chosen diet by (still subconsciously) slamming other people's diets. Also, there's probably something lurking around that has to do with the failing cohesiveness of our societies. Even 40 years ago, most places had a single, unified food culture. Now you have choices, and where there's choice there tends to be judgement.

That was, um, possibly longer and more lecture-y than anyone wanted. Hey, howzit y'all? Hope it's going well. And keep on trucking!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 10, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
swick, I don't know if it was you or someone else, but I'd accepted a challenge to limit online time, so that wiped out my late-night lurking/posting. Going into internet moratorium did help me to go to bed on time, but I'm not sure I'd say I'm actually addicted. I didn't so much care about the missing time, but I DID miss all you folks in the Whole30 thread!

swick, is it you looking at going KETO? Have you done so yet, and are you really wanting to go for that with Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's and the like bearing down on us?

<3 you Faraday!
Ahh now I feel like a wee bit of a jerk, it was totally my doing... talking bout limiting screen time! Hubs is doing very well btw :) Glad to hear you are doing well, hope your head cold sorts itself out!

swick, I was tickled that you "called me out". HEY to DH, tell him I'm still being careful to limit. 9:30pm shutoff time worked OK for me and DW is happier about that.

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I'm not too worried about the time of year, the last two months have been very good practice for setting boundaries/managing expectations and training people to realize that I decide what is and isn't healthy for me.

Excellent, excellent. swick, you sound to me like you are more than happy to call out the naysayers and doubters and nosy nancies. GOOD ON YOU SIS!

I can't remember if I mentioned it up-thread, but here's the book that gave me my ammunition: "Why We Get Fat (And What To Do About It) by Gary Taubes:  http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 10, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
You're awesome,  Faraday. Thanks for being our support crew. I'm keen to experiment with keto once I finish my whole30 in a few days.  Word got around at school that I am "into healthy eating" so a group of mum's has asked me to help them man a stall at the school fair serving beans and rice. Ummm, no thanks.  Ain't my idea of healthy eating.  I might just say I'm too busy. I don't want to take any shit about my food choices and my usual tactic is avoidance...

PREACH IT GIRLFRIEND! I have several keto buddies who came from the "beans and rice" side of the house. Nothing against folks wanting to eat beans and rice, truly. To each his own. But if you are avoiding those foods, by golly yeah, stay away from the school fair.

Fucking awful day of other people's problems. None of them actually mine but a shit storm that everyone wants me to fix. Determined I'm not going to comfort eat my way out of this. Determined for the first time ever. Determined.

DAMB RIGHT GRILFRAND! I like your 'tude! Bring it!
(BTW: that's not a typo. My keto buddies are my "GRILFRANDS"....)


Why would people be opposed to you eating a healthy diet and trying to better yourself?!

It's one of those societal things that we love to judge each other for.  Similar to cloth vs disposable diapering; breastmilk vs formula feeding; crib vs co-sleeping. Heterosexual vs homosexual. City vs country. And let's not forget car vs bike transportation. Your way of eating is just part of the culture wars, for better or worse.

Roger Wilco that SSam. When I started riding my ebike to work, one of my good friends jokingly said "Now you're 'THAT GUY'", and I knew exactly what he meant. I'm on the OUTSIDE now, subversive to the car clowns.

For anyone who cares, here's the bike I converted:
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/multi-use/expedition/expedition-sport
and here's what it looks like now:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45993
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 10, 2015, 07:27:17 PM
Could you please share your regimen for dealing with gallstones? I have had 2 attacks in the last 10 years, and on this eating plan, I am definitely getting twinges again under my right rib.

ok '67...DISCLAIMER: This shit can get crazy. Even my wife thought I was nutso for a little while, but that's been 20 years ago and now she KNOWS I'm nutso. :-) What I'm posting here is not medical advice and I am not recommending this to anyone, I'm just telling you what I've learned to do over the past 20-some years. I still have my gallbladder and I hope not to have to give it up before I kick the bucket.

My response comes in three levels:

Level 1:
Drink a liter of water, 1/2 liter first, wait 10 mins, finish the 2nd half.
Walk or light exercise.
Load up the bike with 2 liters of water and go for a bike ride.
If it's after dark, I get on the spin bike and ride for 3 songs worth.
Check my pants and belt. (No joke - my pants and belt can "choke" me and give "the twinge")

If this works and the twinge stops, I know I was dehydrated or constipated.

Level 2:
Do everything at Level 1
Cut back on fatty foods, eat more vegetables and salad. This will help the symptoms.
Buy a gallon Apple Juice and drink it 8 oz at a time over the course of a week. (This is not keto-compliant, but I only do it once)
Take Orthophosphoric Acid:
http://www.amazon.com/Progressive-Laboratories-Orthophosphoric-Acid-Ounces/dp/B000S822KK/
Do this for two weeks. Works best on an empty stomach. You want the acid to be able to go quickly to your digestive system. I'm told it shrinks the size of any possible gallstones.

Take Epsom's Salt: Three teaspoons in 12-oz or more warm water.
ALERT: This is nasty shit. And don't do it if you have to be at work or have to be anywhere doing anything: Do it when you have time, like on a quiet weekend when you are at home and have 2-4 hours you can deal with the consequences.
I'm told the epsom's salts will dilate the ducts in the liver and gallbladder, opening them up a little to pass anything that might get stuck.

If Level 2 works, I know I had a little bit of gallbladder blockage. This is what I'm calling my "maintenance procedure".

Level 3:
Full-on gallbladder flush. I prepare with Level 2 for two weeks ahead, then block out a weekend where I can slam on the flush.  ALERT: Again, this is nasty shit.
Somewhat Quick Version:
http://wellnessmama.com/38/liver-gall-bladder-cleanse/
Fancy Version:
http://dramyneuzil.com/is-the-gallbladder-cleanse-safe-for-gallbladder-sludge-and-stones/

This I do like, once every 8-10 years. It's like dropping the nuclear  bomb. You should not have to do this more than once in a great while. I did this only when the radiating pain had gotten extreme...and it did work.

Note: I've never been able to find any scholarly research on what any of this means, and for that reason, I'm very self conscious about posting this stuff here, but you asked, so here's the deal.

There was a time, long long ago, where I had pain in my right side, radiating down my leg and causing trouble up toward my right inner ear.  I'd been going to doctors for all kinds of help and no one could help me - I finally got sick of trying doctors (after a half-dozen visits, I was tired of their guessing), I tried the gallbladder flush and it helped.

WARNING: A gallbladder flush could be dangerous for someone with liver disease or disgestive problems. A key component of the process is getting your bowels relatively empty. Epsom's Salts works your kidneys as well. So ponder this stuff and leave it on the table if you have any doubts.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 10, 2015, 07:37:47 PM
I have LOVED reading today's posts!  We've all got our swagger on with our new confidence. Sailor - You are spot on with your assessment about the social wars, and who is eating the 'right' way.  That's why I will never do the same thing to friends that eat the beans and rice.  Maybe it works for them, so who am I to judge?  But, for me, it doesn't work, and that's the point. Figure out what works for you, and don't let the other asses around us try to change us. I will provide my opinion and what works for me, and let them decide for themselves.

I've also been thinking about dipping my toes into the Keto bandwagon. I was thinking maybe 5 days Keto (but still whole30) and then two days whole30 with fruit and maybe potatoes.  I would try this for a month to see how I feel. After that I may switch to something similar to what Liz is doing..... shout out to Liz for feeling great on the hike!

I'm happy also to report that my stomach FINALLY doesn't feel like it's going to explode. It took 3 frickin' days to feel better. I'm convinced it was grain/gluten, but I need to do a single reintro to be sure.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 11, 2015, 07:35:26 AM
Hardboiled adobo eggs.  So need to make five dozen.  http://casaveneracion.com/adobo-eggs/

Faraday, thanks for the inspiration.  Love your hard line on sticking with keto.  I think people comment on other's diets more to make themselves feel OK about eating what they don't really want to admit is a shitty diet.  The person who sticks to a different, but we'll thought out diet (vegan or low fat or whatever) is much more rare than the average consumer of processed junk and fast food.

I feel lucky that my coworkers are all pretty educated and don't act like assholes when I opt out by traveling with a cooler.  I usually just say something about having all this good food at home that would go to waste, but I don't think they really care.  Most of them have been around long enough to remember when I weighed fifty pounds more, so they see the result of what I'm doing.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 11, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
Hardboiled adobo eggs.  So need to make five dozen.  http://casaveneracion.com/adobo-eggs/

Faraday, thanks for the inspiration.  Love your hard line on sticking with keto.  I think people comment on other's diets more to make themselves feel OK about eating what they don't really want to admit is a shitty diet.  The person who sticks to a different, but we'll thought out diet (vegan or low fat or whatever) is much more rare than the average consumer of processed junk and fast food.

I feel lucky that my coworkers are all pretty educated and don't act like assholes when I opt out by traveling with a cooler.  I usually just say something about having all this good food at home that would go to waste, but I don't think they really care.  Most of them have been around long enough to remember when I weighed fifty pounds more, so they see the result of what I'm doing.

No, thank YOU for that recipe and turning me on to that website. GREAT info there, gonna try the eggs.

Congratulations on your weightloss, horsepoor. What about health effects? Have you seen any chronic problems disappear?  What about social effects? Do people "throw you the luv" now that you're 50 lbs down?

You're very lucky to have coworkers who are cool and down with it. I'm amazed, actually. My experience with both Keto and MMM has left me with near-zero faith in the average dude or dudette on the street. I say this not from a position of arrogance, but self protection.

The older I get, the less tolerance I have for being around people who kick themselves in their own balls. As I came to deeper understanding of HACKING WHAT WE EAT and of MMM, I realized we owe it to ourselves to take control and live the life we need to live.

I have one buddy who went on a "potato diet". Claims he lost 20 lbs and several health problems cleared up. Well, I wouldn't do that myself, but more power to him if it works for him, maybe he was living on OREOS and Reese's Cups before he did that.

Now, if you'll pardon me, I need to go find some bacon... :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 11, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
Thank you mom22boys!!! I think it's so cool that we are on page 10 of this thread! Love the support and information in this thread!

Just wanted to share some things I've been eating the past few weeks:
Eggs and bacon... Of course! I spring for the sugar-free bacon but it's definitely not a necessity, I just like the taste. Also sautéed spinach with a little bit of nutritional yeast sprinkled on it
Homemade buffalo wings made with Kerrygold or ghee and Frank's with Whole30 mayo
Bunless Hamburgers with guacamole and Bubies pickles
Homemade buffalo chicken salad
Tuna cakes (thanks for the recipe Sailor Sam!) and tuna salad
Homemade pizza, once so far but will be making it again (Google keto pizza)
Tablespoon or two of Sunbutter for a snack
Taco salad with salsa and W30 mayo

So basically W30 style with no sweet potatoes and fruit (and of course, the pizza is not W30 spirit)
Honestly I've found it so easy to eat low, low carb for breakfast and lunch that I can indulge in some heavier carb stuff if I want to while still staying under 25 net carbs.

I try to stay within the W30 parameters when eating at home, except some occasional low lactose dairy items. I've eaten out a few times, especially this past weekend when out of town, and didn't sweat it if my bacon had sugar in it or whatever

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 11, 2015, 10:33:59 AM
Can we mutate the thread a little bit? I want to hear stories from all of you about:

1) Health changes. I mean DETAILS. Things like:
- where on your body did you lose weight the fastest? (face and back, for me) Where did you lose weight the slowest? (belly, oh god belly)
- how did you do with clothes? Did you find it easier, harder, or no different to find clothes that fit (or pull old clothes out). I found that pants became more difficult because I lost weight faster everywhere but my waist. So when I could get into size 38 pants, they fit me everywhere except I still got "choked" around my bellybutton.
- what chronic problems lessened or disappeared? (for me it was digestive problems - originally diagnosed as IBS - reflux, sinus trouble, various aches and pains)
- what things dramatically improved? (sleep! I could finally get to sleep easily and quickly. Sense of smell, sense of taste. I can now detect sugar much better. I can ride my bike +2mph faster or more.)
- what unexpected things changed? (I can fit in car seats better, more comfortably.)
- anyone saving money by doing away with doctor visits or drugs or both?

2) Social changes:
- what kinds of comments do you get while on your journey? (both good and bad?)
- What's the most dramatic turn-around you've seen in someone's behavior since "before" and "after"?
- Have you enjoyed any new social benefits? (like MMM talks about, for example)
- Do you think the changes have given you benefits at work, at home or with family?

I think these things have been touched on, but I just want to call them out and solicit comment.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 11, 2015, 11:22:07 AM
So I survived the fucking awful day without stuffing my face so I'll take that as a win. Also felt more clear headed enough to think 'actually this is your problem not mine, I'll support you but you need to sort it out yourself. ' You can't imagine as a lifetime emotional eater how big this change is going to be carried forward. I reckon I have at least 5kg of other people's problems hanging off my body because I ate instead of saying sort your own shit.
Now to your question Faraday. I noticed my face shrinking first, and rings started twirling. I reckon the mummy tummy will take the longest to go -pants heaps looser but it's still there. I have been lucky to avoid serious health problems so far but here's what I have noticed: less adult acne, skin looking glowing, my big dark undereye circles are improving (but not gone), stronger faster growing nails and I bite them less (gross I know), whites of my eyes look brighter and teeth look whiter too, my muscles are appearing more defined - I have a naturally muscular build but was looking more blobby before,  my PMS symptoms have disappeared entirely, I am no longer on a constant 3 hour must eat cycle with massive highs and lows (wired vs literally lie on the couch), can chase after my boys all day long and not feel exhausted,  much improved moods, I laugh more off instead of getting grumpy when the boys are swinging on the furniture,  raging sugar cravings are subsiding (but still need to restrict fruit and dates further to get this under control), much better sleep so deep I feel like I must have been unconscious,  my relationship with food is more healthy as I learn to eat when im hungry rather than for other reasons. I could go on all day but obviously it has been all good!
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Post by: swick on November 11, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
So I survived the fucking awful day without stuffing my face so I'll take that as a win. Also felt more clear headed enough to think 'actually this is your problem not mine, I'll support you but you need to sort it out yourself. ' You can't imagine as a lifetime emotional eater how big this change is going to be carried forward. I reckon I have at least 5kg of other people's problems hanging off my body because I ate instead of saying sort your own shit.

KiwiSonya, you did freakin' amazing. FWIW I am  SO SO proud of you! Sending you a great big hug from across the globe :) and...

"I reckon I have at least 5kg of other people's problems hanging off my body because I ate instead of saying sort your own shit."

I can so relate, but had never thought of it like this before. Mind. Blowen.

Faraday, will answer your questions when I have a chance. I think it is a great idea!

Just wanted to pop on now to celebrate and acknowledge KiwiSonya's awesome success :D
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Post by: mom22boys on November 11, 2015, 11:43:13 AM
Ok Faraday, here's some of my info:
Health changes
 - Definitely weight lose. When I was cleaning this weekend, I found a sticky note with my weight from January 2015. I'm done a little over 30 lbs from that time, with still 50ish to go (maybe more, maybe less).  But, I'm not weighing myself more than once a month, so I'm worried about it. It will come with time and sticking-to-it.
 - My face/neck is always the first place for it to show, which I like. I also see a big difference in my waist and chest.
 - I'm finally wearing the clothes that fit me BEFORE I was pregnant with my first son, so I haven't had to buy much new-to-me clothes yet.
 - Chronic problems - Neck/jaw issues and ALWAYS SLEEPY! Those are gone. At night I clench my jaw occasionally. Before when that happened, it would give me a bad neck ache and my jaw would hurt bad too. Sometimes it got so bad, that it would literally make me sick....like throwing up. It's because it would make me feel unsteady and slightly dizzy. At work, I'm not nearly as tired, and can actually focus again and think more clearly.
 - My sleep is WAY better.  I can't remember who said it in a previous post (maybe Liz???) but when I sleep now, I feel like I'm unconscious, or like someone has given me drugs for sleeping (but of course in a good way :-)). I'm still a little tired when I first wake up, but that passes within 5 minutes. I know this will get even better and I'll likely need less sleep. At least that's how I was when I was within my normal weight.
 - MONEY: Every time I would get the neck and jaw aches, I would often have to go to the chiropractor. Not any more!  That's saving me at least $50 a visit, which could often get to 3-4 visits each time. Eventually I will need to get more clothes as I keep losing weight, but that's a good problem for me. :-)  I'm not a fashionista at ALL, so I get by pretty cheap buying from 2nd hand stores, and shopping sales.
 - SUGAR!  Yesterday at work a co-worker had some extra doughnuts and brought them by my desk to see if I wanted one.  He stopped in my door way and said "oh yeah, I bet you wouldn't want one of these....and by the way I admire what you're doing." But, WOW, I could smell that sugar and it really was too much! I didn't like it, and realized that even my smell is more sensitive to sugar.
 - Whenever I would eat certain types of ketchup or salsa, my face would start to sweat. I knew that there was a preservative in them that my body didn't like. Of course, I don't have that problem any more since I don't eat the crappy stuff any more.
 - Sick - I haven't been sick at all for months, even though the flu is pretty rampant here now. No colds either, which is surprising. I'm sure I will catch something eventually, but I really believe it won't be nearly as often or as sever. Time will tell!

Social
 - Cleaning up my eating has also encouraged me to clean up other areas of my life. I think it was KiwiSonja that mentioned the tidying up book from Marie Kondo. I also was reading that book. I haven't finished it yet, but I've been in the momentum to get rid of stuff. I've been selling stuff on my local FB rummage sale site, and a few things on eBay. I love walking into a room and asking 'what can I get rid of today'?
 - My co-workers are pretty supportive, as I mentioned above with the doughnut, but I still get the occasional "oh just eat it, you only live once" comments. I've been pretty honest though and tell them that yeah, but when I eat it I feel super crappy. I've even gone as far as telling some people that I'm allergic. Ok, maybe my allergy isn't that I'll die, but it will give me a sweaty face, make by stomach feel like it's going to explode, make me gain 20 lbs. But they don't need to know the details. :-)
 - My family is more supportive now that they have also gone through this with me. I just wish it stuck. My mom told me last night that they are completely back to their old habits, and then she lamented AGAIN, about not getting off her blood pressure meds. MOM!  STOP EATING THE CRAP! I can only encourage (and push) so far, but at least they know what to do.
 - I feel more confident. I'm walking taller, and dressing better. I'm wearing jewelry more often. I'm thinking about my hair more (without wasting a ton of money). I'm even feeling like maybe dating again. Life is crazy busy though. I honestly don't know if I will or not (because I HATE online dating sites), but I feel better with the confidence that I COULD date again. For now, I'm investing into myself and my boys.

Ok, how's that list?  :-)  I'm sure I can add more later, but I don't think it's too bad for over lunch hour.
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Post by: mom22boys on November 11, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
You are amazing KiwiSonya!   - One day at a time! A clear mind sure helps, especially when you realize it's other people's shit and not your own to deal with.

Liz - Thanks for posting your food list. Tuna cakes are definitely in my future soon. I just loved the NomNomPaleo recipe. It's fun to crave nutritious food.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 11, 2015, 05:27:21 PM
Thanks Swick, hugs back to you. It was your post on emotional eating that got me on the right track. Thanks also,  mum22boys. That is an awesome list of improvements. I had totally forgotten that I was teeth grinding and clenching and the dentist wanted to fit me with a mouth guard to stop it - a good $600 saved as I haven't done it since I started whole30. But after a busy morning looking after a gaggle of under 5's, I reckon the biggest life change is feeling up for anything.  It's hard to put into words but I feel like a yoke has been lifted and I have the energy and zest to take on anything.  I'm no longer constantly thinking that I have too much on my plate and I can't cope. Basically I'm saying yes to life. Can't put a price on that. Could it be that a tranche of bad life decisions amongst the populace is a result of bad food choices? Wow, that thought kind of blows my mind.
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Post by: Faraday on November 11, 2015, 07:24:00 PM
Folks (ladies?) I KNEW your answers would be AWESOME!!!

I can't tell you how much you have MADE MY DAY. The kinds of things you have said in this thread make a Warrior's Heart BURST!
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Post by: Cranberries on November 11, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
Health changes:
- Reduction in sleep needs from ~9 to ~7 hours a night, plus I have been dreaming a lot more.
-My joints are much less achey.
- I have a small cavity in my mouth that is apparently healing over. My dentist still wants to fill it, but it is pretty darn cool that it has stopped itself!
~17 lbs of weight loss this time around. Last year I lost about 20 lbs eating paleo, and then gained back ten when I went back to normal eating, so my total weight lost has been around 30 lbs. I am now inside the healthy BMI range for my height. I've lost most of it from my ribs, breasts, back, belly and thighs. It is also quite visible in my face. I think a lot of my thinner face is from losing the water weight I carry from food sensitivities.
-Very steady blood sugar.
-less puffy in general.
- I used to wake up in the morning with a body that felt really off until I ate something. This is gone now.
-My skin looks way healthier. This tends to change pretty fast on my body. I now look about as healthy with no makeup as I did before with the minimalist makeup that I often wear.
-My stomach burbles less and my digestive issues are gone.
-less prone to minor infections.
-My sweet tooth is largely gone. I still struggle some with emotional eating, but the degree to which I am in control of my food decisions is absolutely amazing.

Other:
-I get flirted with a bit more when I go out.
-Money - I need to get all of my pants taken in, and about half of my shirts are too big as well. I do not own a bra that fits at all. Financially, weight loss can be expensive.
-I am learning to be a much better cook.


On another note, I did some research on keto, and it looks like I tend to be right on the edge of ketogenic with the way that I eat. I am probably crossing the line into ketoland about 1/2 - 1/3 of the time. Today I had meat, veggies, and an egg for breakfast, meat and veggies with a couple handfuls of almonds and a few raisins for lunch, and dinner will be meat and veggies with some butternut squash. Although the food changes day to day, the ratios of carbs, fats, and proteins are pretty consistent.
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Post by: Faraday on November 11, 2015, 08:37:08 PM
I LOVE hearing all this great and awesome news, it just keeps getting better and better! Most of the things everyone is saying are consistent with what I experienced after going keto.  Well, not the bra stuff (I'm a dude), but you get the idea. :-p  I'll just leave that stuff to you ladies.

I'd rather die than give up the progress I've made. (and if I did give it up, I surely would die from diabetes... :-( )
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Post by: Liz on November 11, 2015, 09:05:13 PM
The main reason I did a second W30 was to see if it had any effects on my asthma and allergies.  After about two months of eating clean, I can definitely see some improvements. It's still going to take some time though --- I've read stories about people were able to get rid of their asthma medications after one month, and that's not me -- but that's okay. Allergy symptoms have gotten a LOT better. No runny or stuffy nose!

I see the weight loss as a side effect, not as the reason for eating this way. But I'm not going to lie, it's a nice side effect... I've been wearing some jeans I haven't been able to fit in awhile, and as a result, I can go longer without doing laundry. Win-win situation, for sure.
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Post by: horsepoor on November 11, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Changes - it's pretty hard to parse them out because I started losing weight the SAD way, played around with a low meat type diet, and then went more slow-carb to paleo over the course of a few years.  So it's not like I lost the weightby starting out paleo.  In fact, I lost the last 10# or so on the slow carb diet and got more interested in paleo once I was in maintenance mode.  I also got way more fit during that time, so it's hard to say what part was diet and what part was exercise.

Anyway, I think the most notable thing for me was getting rid of acid reflux/heartburn completely.  I also am just moreclear-minded and mentally sharp.  When I'm doing Whole30 I sleep like a rock, even though I've always slept pretty well.

In terms of appearance - again, it's hard to say what part is only the weight loss, because I started dressing better and became more confident - add that to the increased mental acuity, and people are bound to respond to me  differently.  I definitely have an easier time dressing now - before I was right between the regular and plus sizes, and nothing really fit right.  If anything, I went a little too crazy with buying new clothes - spent too much and ended up with stuff I didn't end up wanting to keep.

It's great having more energy and just being more athletic and up for anything. My husband won a trip to Peru this spring that involved a 3-day trek at high elevation. I never would have been able to make that trip in the past, but it was no problem.  I can't imagine how disheartening it would have been to miss out on an opportunity like that because of my physical condition.  I'm also way more balanced and confident on horseback, and don't feel like I'm taxing my horses with my weight.

Hmm, yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up.
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Post by: swick on November 11, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
Wow! So much awesomeness!

Few developments - Tried to have a chunk of cheese before bedtime. Within an hour, my sinuses were stuffed and I couldn't breath through my nose comfortably - took about 14 hours to return to normal. It took a two full days to feel normal after trying the gluten/wheat. So between those two, no wonder I was a walking disaster of undiagnosable illnesses.

On the bright side, Hubby is trying Keto with me! He said there was only about one week of the entire whole 30 where he was actually feeling a noticeable improvement and it was after all the initial ickies and before he started eating more carbs. I never thought he would try it, but he seems keen :)

Although, it might have something to do with the coffee flavored Keto gummy bears I made for him to take for his lunches (most of the carbs he eats is fruit and strach veggies in his lunches and while he is away from home.

Still have to figure out breakfasts for him again! Man am I glad I like eggs.

Okay to Faraday's questions:

1) Health changes. I mean DETAILS. Things like:

- where on your body did you lose weight the fastest? Face for sure, and it is awesome, I have always been self-conscious of my chin/neck area because a particularly mean girl in school called me "Frog face" because of my double chin. I've had issues with online video interactions, damn cameras are NEVER at a good angle! which for my job, is not great. I've been just feeling more confident overall and it comes across because I'm not worried about how I look.

Where did you lose weight the slowest? It seems like it has been pretty even

- how did you do with clothes? Did you find it easier, harder, or no different to find clothes that fit (or pull old clothes out). I've always been a very weird size. One of those very busty but small ribcage kinda gals so nothing ever fits. I have noticed that smaller sizes are at least fitting better now. Kicking myself becuase I did a Kondo style closet clean up 3 or so months ago, of several bags of cloths I would now fit into. Ahh well :)

- what chronic problems lessened or disappeared? Chronic Sinitus and Fibro, insomnia, leg cramps
- what things dramatically improved? Sleep! Sense of smell and taste for me as well, due to not being stuffed up all the time. ability to listen to my body, energy levels
- what unexpected things changed? My relationship with my husband, my confidence, my non-introvert side is coming out to play more.
- anyone saving money by doing away with doctor visits or drugs or both? good old Canadian health care.  Although I haven't been going, so that is saving resources that other people need?

2) Social changes:
- what kinds of comments do you get while on your journey? (both good and bad?) "Sugar is horrible stuff, here...have some chocolate" Hubs dad is extremely fat-phobic, so we have had a few comments there, I think it will get much worse because the "30-day" experiment is over.
- What's the most dramatic turn-around you've seen in someone's behavior since "before" and "after"? My mom is going to be doing the next round with us. While she has always been the most supportive out of everyone, the fact that she is inspired and has seen enough improvement in us that she is actually making the time and taking care of herself is awesome beyond words. - Although I feel like both hubs and my behaviour is so night and day different from where we were, I wouldn't recognize us.
- Have you enjoyed any new social benefits? (like MMM talks about, for example) Does this group count? ;) I love you guys and gals!
- Do you think the changes have given you benefits at work, at home or with family? oh yeah! In energy levels and confidence and ability to concentrate and actually get some work done. I have been trying to get this damn book out and it has taken YEARS because I couldn't sit at the computer for more than 10 minutes at a time. Planning a Launch for January 15th :)
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 11, 2015, 11:31:55 PM
Gosh, isn't it amazing what can be achieved in 30 days. What astounding results. I never would have believed it if I hadn't done it myself. Actively have to stop myself being all preachy and trying to convert the rest of the world.  The funny thing is that no one has noticed anything different about me - but I feel like a new woman.
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Post by: 1967mama on November 12, 2015, 12:33:52 AM
I'm just LOVING reading all these great responses to Faraday's thought provoking questions! I'm so tired tonite that I can't put the brain power into it that I want to, so I will be late joining the party, but hopefully by the weekend.

You guys ROCK!
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Post by: Faraday on November 12, 2015, 06:05:57 AM
Typical stuff this time of year:

1) Story about "upgrading OREOS". Yes, in the front page of my online yahoo NEWS:
https://www.yahoo.com/makers/the-easy-and-delicious-way-to-upgrade-your-oreo-160822546.html

2) Hall of fame baseball player loses leg to diabetes:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/hall-of-famer-lou-brock-recovering-after-partial-amputation-of-left-leg-003749704.html

Dear God in Heaven Above, help us through the Season of Insanity.  At least there's a video link in the OREO story about how "detox waters will have your insides singing..."

When you stand back and think about the idea of these stories strung together, it comes across as purely schizophrenic.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 12, 2015, 07:35:34 AM
Thanks Swick, hugs back to you. It was your post on emotional eating that got me on the right track. Thanks also,  mum22boys. That is an awesome list of improvements. I had totally forgotten that I was teeth grinding and clenching and the dentist wanted to fit me with a mouth guard to stop it - a good $600 saved as I haven't done it since I started whole30. But after a busy morning looking after a gaggle of under 5's, I reckon the biggest life change is feeling up for anything.  It's hard to put into words but I feel like a yoke has been lifted and I have the energy and zest to take on anything.  I'm no longer constantly thinking that I have too much on my plate and I can't cope. Basically I'm saying yes to life. Can't put a price on that. Could it be that a tranche of bad life decisions amongst the populace is a result of bad food choices? Wow, that thought kind of blows my mind.

Yes, Yes, Yes! Every. Thing. You. Said....so the same for me! I was on the list for getting a mouth guard too!  My dentist was shocked when I told her that I don't need it any more now that I've done the Whole30. She was amazed!

One other thing I was thinking about last night.  While I do think about what I'm going to eat (for planning), I'm no longer consumed with thinking about food. I used to constantly think about what treat I could eat after the boys went to bed, or what fast food restaurant I wanted to go to after work. Those desires are gone. I want to keep it that way!
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Post by: Liz on November 12, 2015, 08:07:16 AM
swick -- Two questions for you ... can you share the recipe for the coffee-flavored gummy bears? That sounds delicious! Also, I am just curious, what kind of cheese did you eat?

I've noticed my skin isn't quite as clear as it was during my strict Whole30. I was testing some new skin producsts, so that could be it, but I'm thinking it might be the introduction of butter and cheese as well. I'm going to pull back on the butter and make ghee instead (so easy to make) and limit cheese to about once or maybe twice a week.
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Post by: swick on November 12, 2015, 09:03:18 AM
swick -- Two questions for you ... can you share the recipe for the coffee-flavored gummy bears? That sounds delicious! Also, I am just curious, what kind of cheese did you eat?

The basic gummy bear ratio is 1 cup of liquid to 3 TBS. Gelatin. Split the liquid in 1/2 and mix the gelatin into half of it, Heat up the other 1/2 and then stir it all together and pour into molds.

For the coffee flavored ones I used a base of coconut milk, added a splash of vanilla, some instant espresso and a couple good scoops of coconut oil (sorry I don't measure anything) to the 1/2 cup that I was heating up. They are a little slick to the touch due to the coconut oil, but they are tasty!

I suppose you could add some Stevia or other sweetener to make them more "candy" like, but that's not the point and I don't think they need it :)

The only reason they are gummy bears is because my sister bought a couple of molds to experiment with and I liberated them for a few days. They are awfully cute!

The cheese that I had was the sheep's milk Manchego. Now, Come to think of it, while I did get stuffy, I didn't have any face break outs like I did when I tried to reintro cows milk.
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Post by: mom22boys on November 12, 2015, 12:48:12 PM
To the social question....

I just had a co-worker ask me in causal passing how I was doing. Of course I replied 'I'm doing great!'.  He then said 'You just look so happy lately.' 

That made my day! I also thought it was interesting since I'm a very happy, optimistic person and often get compliments about that. But, the way he said it just made me think that it's shining out even more.
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Post by: sunnyca on November 12, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
I'm not really Whole30, but I do try to follow JERF principles fairly closely.  I was wondering, how do you guys deal with the temptation of having so many free snacks, etc. around?  I'm pretty good at home, but during the week, it's pretty easy for me to slip up at the workplace.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 12, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
That's a wonderful compliment, mum22boys.
Can't quite believe I have woken up to Day30. Wish tiger blood was still with me but unfortunately I've caught a bug from the kids and am in bed feeling achey and crap. But still yay for Day30! Have a family party tomorrow so I'm not going to rush into reintroduction as I don't want to feel bad for that. Looking at the suggested reintro schedule, I'm not missing alcohol or legumes so will save them for later. Might try dairy first although I am sure they are going to be bad for my allergies. Like Liz has found, one whole30 hasn't been enough to cure me of those and I just finished the antibiotics for my sinus infection so not expecting miracles. A bit of yoghurt, some aged cheddar with lunch and a milky tea or two.  Fully expecting it to be bad and I really can live without these on a daily basis which has surprised me as my diet was very dairy heavy before. Second up will try non gluten grains -oats for breakfast,  corn chips etc. Will save gluten for last -my favorite Vogels bread with Marmite.  Would love a croissant but that's mixing dairy and gluten so will save that for later. Am a bit nervous about reintro as you all have been but I guess that's normal. Hope you all have a great day. Ks
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Post by: Faraday on November 12, 2015, 01:13:33 PM
I'm not really Whole30, but I do try to follow JERF principles fairly closely.  I was wondering, how do you guys deal with the temptation of having so many free snacks, etc. around?  I'm pretty good at home, but during the week, it's pretty easy for me to slip up at the workplace.

Sweet pea, if  you are tempted to slip up, then you aren't hurting as much as some of us here were. We feel so much better doing what we do (Whole30, lo-carb, keto, whatever) that we won't go back.

In the workplace, the "holiday goodies" are especially insidious. Coping mechanisms I use are:

- anger and indignance (no joke, i do)
- an atkins meal bar squirreled away in a desk drawer
- other items allowed by my lifestyle, like pork rinds or beef jerky

Back away from the scenarios of junk food at work and think above the instant gratification. This is just another form of the hedonistic adaptation us MMM'ers work to get rid of. Worse yet, it's PEER PRESSURE for hedonistic adaptation.  REWARD yourself with compliant food if and when you are able to resist. If you just can't, then EARN the transgression with exercise.

And finally, beware, you are being manipulated by the Season of Insanity:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/whole-30-starting-sept-8th-want-to-join-us/msg837739/#msg837739
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Post by: Cranberries on November 12, 2015, 01:48:46 PM
Sunnyca,  I struggled with this for a very long time, whether I was eating an 80/20 paleo diet, or hippy SAD with lots of chocolate.  For me, it took going all the way with a fairly low carb whole30, and just shoving through the sugar cravings. Amazingly, after about a week it got fairly easy. I never really thought I would get my treat cravings under control enough that I wasn't functioning solely on willpower, but I was wrong. It's awesome!
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Post by: 1967mama on November 12, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
Typical stuff this time of year:

1) Story about "upgrading OREOS". Yes, in the front page of my online yahoo NEWS:
https://www.yahoo.com/makers/the-easy-and-delicious-way-to-upgrade-your-oreo-160822546.html

2) Hall of fame baseball player loses leg to diabetes:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/hall-of-famer-lou-brock-recovering-after-partial-amputation-of-left-leg-003749704.html

Dear God in Heaven Above, help us through the Season of Insanity.  At least there's a video link in the OREO story about how "detox waters will have your insides singing..."

When you stand back and think about the idea of these stories strung together, it comes across as purely schizophrenic.

Faraday, the juxtaposition of these 2 articles is just a sad, sad commentary, isn't it? :-( Day 34 here of my Whole60 and feeling just wonderful!
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Post by: horsepoor on November 12, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
I'm not really Whole30, but I do try to follow JERF principles fairly closely.  I was wondering, how do you guys deal with the temptation of having so many free snacks, etc. around?  I'm pretty good at home, but during the week, it's pretty easy for me to slip up at the workplace.

During W30, I don't find it tempting because it's a zero tolerance model and slipping up means going back to day zero.  I don't know how helpful that is for the rest of life, but maybe cultivate a healthy disgust for the crap that goes into most of those snacks and make sure you have healthy alternates around.  I'm doing W30 this time around because I was giving in to the junk food temptations too frequently (I don't react very badly to any foods, so I don't have that deterrent).  If you don't have bad reactions, going strict for a few weeks and really paying attention to the positive outcomes can be helpful because they make you aware of how a doughnut here and a bag of chips there erodes your health in ways that you might not associate directly with food.  If I'm going to do that, I might as well hold out for a really, really good dessert that I've chosen, rather than random, poor quality junk that happens to turn up at work (because really, how many of the work snacks are high quality?).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 12, 2015, 03:18:27 PM
Congratulations KiwiSonya on day 30! Good luck with reintroductions! For what it's worth, very low lactose milk products (certain cheeses and butter) haven't messed with my allergies too badly. Yogurt, however, made me stuffy. Please report back on your results!

swick - Thank you for the gummy recipe! Sounds delicious. I actually have a silicone heart-shaped mold, so will have to try it with that! I've made a gelatin gummy pre-Whole30, but it had maple syrup in it, and your recipe sounds much closer to keto/sugar-free.

During W30, I don't find it tempting because it's a zero tolerance model and slipping up means going back to day zero.  I don't know how helpful that is for the rest of life, but maybe cultivate a healthy disgust for the crap that goes into most of those snacks and make sure you have healthy alternates around.  I'm doing W30 this time around because I was giving in to the junk food temptations too frequently (I don't react very badly to any foods, so I don't have that deterrent).  If you don't have bad reactions, going strict for a few weeks and really paying attention to the positive outcomes can be helpful because they make you aware of how a doughnut here and a bag of chips there erodes your health in ways that you might not associate directly with food.  If I'm going to do that, I might as well hold out for a really, really good dessert that I've chosen, rather than random, poor quality junk that happens to turn up at work (because really, how many of the work snacks are high quality?).

This is such a great post, especially the last sentence! The Whole30 has definitely made me more aware of this. Before, I would reach for a bag of chips for comfort and I would get, what, about 30 minutes of satisfaction from eating that? My satisfaction about feeling good lasts a lot longer than it takes me to eat a bag of chips (and yes, I can eat pretty much a whole bag of chips in one sitting - Definitely a case of zoned out, mindless eating).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 12, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
Faraday's questions:

1) Health changes. I mean DETAILS. Things like:

- where on your body did you lose weight the fastest? I also think my face changed pretty dramatically with the Whole30 -- I look more like myself again:-) But its also coming off evenly from the rest of my body. Pants and shirts are fitting, amazingly, things I haven't worn in 3 or 4 years. A week ago, I squished myself into a swanky Christmas gala dress (size 14) that fit me in 2009!!! So since I only wore it once, and staff has changed a lot, I'm going to wear it again. I'm pretty sure that it will fit in time for this December gala Christmas party. So happy to not have to spend more $$$ for something in a size 18 or worse! My only problem could be if the dress is too big when I go to get ready for the gala. I think I'd better give myself some lead time on that. haha! But I actually can't even imagine walking into a department store and buying a size 12 dress off the rack ... my wedding dress was a 12 BTW, and that was 26 years ago. I'm 5'11" so I've never really been smaller than a 12. Wow, that got off track!

Where did you lose weight the slowest? Well, I'd have to say my mummy tummy is the slowest to go, but even it is going down. The bloating is just gone! So exciting. I've given birth many times (like more than 7) and that has been very harder each time to gain a little more weight and keep it on <sigh>. 

- how did you do with clothes? Did you find it easier, harder, or no different to find clothes that fit (or pull old clothes out).
I've held onto clothes that I really wanted to wear again someday. At times, it was very depressing and discouraging to see them hanging there. Now I know that some of those cute summer skirts will fit me again. That almost makes me cry with happiness! Even delicates are fitting better and I've had to replace some already! Wahoo!

- what chronic problems lessened or disappeared? PMS=gone. Heavy/unmanageable monthly flow=reasonable now. (sorry, TMI) Bloating, upset tummy=gone. Foggy headedness=gone.

- what things dramatically improved? Sleep is a big one for me. I am only taking melatonin about once a week to help me fall asleep. I wonder if its because I have vastly reduced the amount of caffeinated tea I'm drinking each day, and am switching to herbal tea by noon?! Working my way through my tea stash is saving me big $$$ - haha! I'm able to use a crystal deoderant now. Seems like a weird thing, but I have always wanted to because breast cancer runs in the family. Hope I'm not too late! Before, the crystal would never work. Like an hour after a shower, I would stink again (EW!) now, I can go to a parade, cook and clean all day, go for a walk, and a play in the evening and by bedtime, there's just a slight whiff of B.O.  (this is what we did yesterday).
That makes me happy!

I am much more even keeled now. No mid-afternoon slump. No more angry feelings (well, much fewer so that its barely noticeable. I'm not an angry person, per se, but don't like it when those angry feelings bubble up inside me sometimes.) I have SO. MUCH. ENERGY. now. I was a typical 48 year old housewife: overweight, sitting around all day eating bonbons (haha not really) but I definitely medicated myself with food.

I was a total sugar addict. My dad is too. He is on metformin for diabetes and so was his mother before him. I would LOVE to have an HB A1C done to see what my blood sugar has been lately (its a 3 month average) but unfortunately I don't have a baseline from before Whole30. I have had gestational diabetes a few times. All my babies were 8-10 lbs at birth. Once, I had to take injectable insulin. I would actually eat candy every day if I could (you don't get to be 75 lbs overweight by eating well, you get there by eating poorly!). I am a baker and I love to bake sweets and cakes and cookies, I make my own candy, I grind grain and make my own bread (and sweet yeast bread things like pans of gooey cinnamon buns, with lots of cream cheese icing .. oh dear). The only sugar I have now is in fruit. As I branch out into this Whole60 (that's the first time I've actually written that; guess I'm committed now!) I am trying to reduce my fruit consumption by about 1/2. I'm eating a lot more vegetables. Breakfast was 1/2 a red bell pepper and a handful of cherry tomatoes fried up with a huge handful of spinach -- steamed all that first, then put it on a plate with a lid while I cooked up 2 eggs for on top. Delish! I really can't believe that I have NO sugar cravings now. This is a modern day miracle! I really feel like its one of those, "If I can do Whole30, anyone can!"

I don't feel like I'm an emotional eater anymore. On those few occasions where the stress level is through the roof, I love that I have a very simple list of foods that I can mindlessly eat. I had a minor panic last week when we ran out of almond butter and no one told me and I couldn't have a monkey bowl right when I needed one as a comfort food. I would also say that I'm managing stress better.

- what unexpected things changed? I am walking taller. I have energy to go out for good, brisk walks with my husband a few times a week. 1/2 the time, its me suggesting a walk, which is unheard of! I am a happier person in my skin. I feel like I don't look terrible and frumpy anymore and am excited to look and feel more like the girl my husband married. He is SOOOOOO supportive of what I'm doing. The grocery bill has gone up, as have the frequency of grocery store visits for all the fresh stuff. But he's eating great too, when he's home. He is only around 20 lb overweight. I've always been known to be quite patient with my brood of children but I feel like I am even more patient and understanding now. I'm spending less time online, and more time living my life,too.

- anyone saving money by doing away with doctor visits or drugs or both? I am in Canada, so I don't pay for these things, but I feel like I'm practicing preventative medicine by NOT being obese anymore. I have about 60 lbs to go to reach a healthy weight so I will be around here for a while. I've always wondered if I'd continue losing weight if I did Whole30 + reintroduced grain, dairy and wheat? Hmmm

2) Social changes:
- what kinds of comments do you get while on your journey? (both good and bad?) For the most part, the people in my life have been very encouraging. I'd say the only concerned person is my mom, who is very obese herself. They are going away for 3 months now, and I'm sure she will think I'm anorexic by the time they get back <sigh>. I wish she could just see it as healthy eating! Its a big ToDo when I only eat fruit when I come over with the kids, while everyone else eats bars and cakes.

- What's the most dramatic turn-around you've seen in someone's behavior since "before" and "after"? Does my own count?! I'm like a different person.

- Have you enjoyed any new social benefits? (like MMM talks about, for example) I'm stepping out more confidently now -- someone here called it swagger =D Yep, I have my swagger back! And a little moxie too!

- Do you think the changes have given you benefits at work, at home or with family?
I think that I'm more full of joy and life now. I'm so darn happy and content. I adore my husband and my children and now I'm able to show it more because I feel fully alive. No joke!

Thanks, Faraday, for prompting us with these great questions. It took me about an hour to write all this out, with multiple kid-terruptions but its been a healthy process to reflect on where I've been, where I am, and where I'm going. Also, thanks for taking the time to type out your gallbladder protocol. Super interesting! I'm wondering if the twinges will go away when I am back to my ideal weight?

Have a great day, everyone!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 12, 2015, 03:38:07 PM
Thanks, Faraday, for prompting us with these great questions. It took me about an hour to write all this out, with multiple kid-terruptions but its been a healthy process to reflect on where I've been, where I am, and where I'm going. Also, thanks for taking the time to type out your gallbladder protocol. Super interesting! I'm wondering if the twinges will go away when I am back to my ideal weight?

Have a great day, everyone!

'67, I absolutely love hearing people's story of their Food Journey. I appreciate that it took time and you had the interruptions, and I also appreciate that your progress lets you be a better spouse and mother for your family!!!

The "twinges": I chose that word on purpose, because the feeling that signals me I have to do something can be several different things. In my case, I've had problems in the past with pants around the waist "choking" my digestive system and giving me all manner of problems. So yes, it CAN be a simple mechanical problem that you can resolve by losing more belly fat and exercising more. (Distributed torso fat can actually be lymph fluid and inflammation, so it can happen anywhere and cause problems in a number of ways.)

A second possible cause of the "twinge" is eating fatty meats too late at night. Even though I've lost a boatload of weight and am in better shape than ever, if I eat meat too late (say, 8pm or later), I'm screwed and will end up with a touch of reflux. Nowhere near as bad as it used to be, but still enough to disrupt sleep. Only way to fix that problem is to just get on the spin bike or the road bike (if I'm feeling insane and my lighting is good) and work it off. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 12, 2015, 03:46:38 PM
Faraday, the juxtaposition of these 2 articles is just a sad, sad commentary, isn't it? :-( Day 34 here of my Whole60 and feeling just wonderful!

Honest truth - it upset the absolute hell out of me. Here's an honored athlete losing their left foot and part of their leg to diabetes, along with the OREO story. Shows me that Yahoo doesn't take their reporting (nor the food they eat) very seriously, and may even be taking product placement revenue from the OREO story.

BTW: The back story here is that I lost a cousin to diabetes who could not control her eating habits. She was taken to the hospital, checked in and scheduled for surgery. They had to amputate both legs below the knee.
It was too late: the infection had really screwed up her body and she died a little later in the hospital.

Several years later, her mother, my lovely great Aunt and the last of her generation, had been successful at managing her diabetes as best she could. She loved living alone and had no interest in leaving her home.

Unfortunately, late one evening she slipped into a diabetic coma and despite the family's coordinated checkups on her, we found her the next morning after she had passed away in the night.

I could go on: One diabetic co-worker who died suddenly over a weekend due to heart attack, people losing limbs, eyesight, kidneys.

All this because the damned food industry doesn't have to care about the consequences: the responsibility is ours and ours alone.

One conspiracy-oriented friend of mine thinks diabetes-causing foods are marketed in order to keep people from living long enough to claim much social security. I dislike conspiracy theories but diabetes is certainly having that effect.

I'm not really Whole30, but I do try to follow JERF principles fairly closely.  I was wondering, how do you guys deal with the temptation of having so many free snacks, etc. around?  I'm pretty good at home, but during the week, it's pretty easy for me to slip up at the workplace.

sunnyca, we're dead serious about hacking our diets here and hope you will join us. All of us have life-changing tales to tell. It's very similar to what we've learned about FIRE: you decide to pursue the goal and become subversive to the unwashed masses.

We don't suffer with our diet choices, we don't feel loss by refusing to eat trash. Our new eating habits change us and we start seeking the joy of eating beautifully. Our bodies change as a result and become more healthy, more beautiful.

Once you've had a taste of how good these lifestyles get, you'll never go back....
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: sunnyca on November 12, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Thanks guys!  It's true, when I eat whole, unprocessed foods that I make at home, I feel 100% better than usual. 

I think I'll start from page 1 and read the whole thread for inspiration!!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 12, 2015, 04:03:54 PM
Thanks guys!  It's true, when I eat whole, unprocessed foods that I make at home, I feel 100% better than usual. 

I think I'll start from page 1 and read the whole thread for inspiration!!
Awesome :) Fresh eyes are always interesting. I went back and re-read after my whole 30 finished, I couldn't believe the differences. This is not to say it is all easy and Rosey...but the journey is worth it :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 12, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
WAHOOO KIWISONYA - YOU ROCKED IT!!!!!! CONGRATS ON YOUR WHOLE 30 SUCCESS!!!!

Man  I love it when I get to play with fonts and sizes and colours!  :D
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: cheddarpie on November 12, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
This thread is so inspiring! I have dabbled in Whole 30 but not for "real" and now I'm getting serious about it. I have a pretty major surgery scheduled for January 13 so I'm not super motivated to get healthy and start some better eating habits in preparation. I usually eat greek yogurt for breakfast and I have a large supply in the fridge, so my plan is to start by giving up everything-but-yogurt (I know that doesn't "count" with the strict W30 rules!) until it's used up and then go from there. Assuming I can make it through the holidays (ARGH!), I think I'll have about 45 days of true W30 pre-surgery, which should be pretty good!

My question is how do you deal with people who don't support you? I asked DH if he wanted to join me in this journey and he not only said no, but why would I do it during the holiday season and he will plan to taunt me with pie on Thanksgiving and other sweets throughout the season ... I hope he was joking, but even so it's still hard to stay strong when you don't have moral support from those closed to you. How have you guys dealt with this?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 12, 2015, 04:54:06 PM
Welcome to the group, Cheddaroie!

Facing a major surgery is a good reason to get healthy with your diet, I imagine *Disclaimer, no Doc here* that the stronger and healthier you are going into it the faster recovery will be.

I am lucky enough to have a supportive husband, but if I didn't I imagine my personality type would be to take it as a personal challenge - to not only be successful but have him come around.

Hubs was a little dubious at first, he went along mainly because I said this is what we are doing and I do most of the cooking. For those not doing it with their spouses, I think the changes have made believers, if not supporters out of their SO's.

As far as support - If you can find a friend or someone IRL that can do it with you, having "someone" who is taking the journey with you is very valuable, but if not...you got all of us supporting, cheering you on and willing to help you troubleshoot and commiserate with!

Oh as far as support goes, anyone planning on going to Camp Mustache this year? It's in your backyard Cheddarpie!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 12, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
My question is how do you deal with people who don't support you? I asked DH if he wanted to join me in this journey and he not only said no, but why would I do it during the holiday season and he will plan to taunt me with pie on Thanksgiving and other sweets throughout the season ... I hope he was joking, but even so it's still hard to stay strong when you don't have moral support from those closed to you. How have you guys dealt with this?
Thanks!

That's what we are here for! :-)

I hope your husband was joking too -- maybe once he sees you are serious about this, he will be more supportive.  And why NOT start now? Thanksgiving and Christmas are just two days. "The holidays" doesn't mean two months of pigging out, you know? Starting now means you could feel and see some great results BEFORE the end of the year!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 12, 2015, 06:23:45 PM
Cheddar pie- my husband was neutral in his opinions on the Whole30 program as I began eating this way. I'm now 34 days in and he sees how well I'm doing, how great I'm feeling, how all my clothes are fitting again and he is now 100% on board.

Go ahead and give it a try! You have nothing to lose (wink)!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 12, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
I was perusing the "De-sugaring" thread and felt thankful that I'm not still battling the Sugar Dragon! For me, cold turkey was the ONLY WAY to break my addiction.

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/de-sugaring/200/
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 13, 2015, 12:27:17 PM
Day31 begins. Now for the numbers. Drum roll please...
I have lost 6.5kg to weigh 71kg and have lost 6cm around my waist. Can't believe it! I am now within the healthy BMI and waist circumference so pleased with that.  Astounded that I managed it in just 30 days as I have laboured for months on low fat diets getting nowhere.  Bacon and eggs to celebrate!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 13, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
Wow, that is amazing, congratulations Sonya!  It's amazing how easy it is with the right fuel, isn't it?

1967 - thanks for pointing me back to that sugar thread.  Yes, it made me even more grateful to not be counting any grams or ounces or calories or anything.  Just know what's off limits and eat as much as I want of all the good stuff.

Today I remembered that I have a jar of egg white protein powder.  Checked the label and the only ingredient is powdered egg white, so I added a scoop to my sweet potato/coconut concoction.  Any opinions on this?  I'm staying away from the vanilla whey protein of course, but this one seems OK to me, in limited quantities.

To put a Mustachian spin on this, what is everyone doing with their foods that they now know are sub-optimal to off-limits?  I have lots of beans around the house in particular.  When I think of it, I throw a batch in the slow cooker and feed them to my chickens, but it still feels wasteful.  Will you eat your sub-optimal stuff and throw away the off-limits stuff?  Toss or give it all away?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: cheddarpie on November 13, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
To put a Mustachian spin on this, what is everyone doing with their foods that they now know are sub-optimal to off-limits?  I have lots of beans around the house in particular.  When I think of it, I throw a batch in the slow cooker and feed them to my chickens, but it still feels wasteful.  Will you eat your sub-optimal stuff and throw away the off-limits stuff?  Toss or give it all away?

I'm eating my perishables up (yogurt, cheese) as I start the Whole 30 (not starting to count the 30 yet until I start for real when these are gone), cooking up pasta and other semi-perishables for DH, keeping some non-perishables for my earthquake emergency kit (oh, Seattle), and donating the rest to a local food pantry.  This is a good time of year to find local food drives if you have lots of extra cans of food you won't use.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 13, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Thanks horsepoor. I will admit to binning nearly 1kg of leftover Halloween chocolate because the kids were hassling me about it and I didn't want to eat it. I will keep things that the rest of the family will eat but give away/throw away stuff that I would have to prepare but don't want to now like beans. No one has really ever been that keen on them so they won't be missed.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 13, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
You did it KiwiSonya! It's been fun to read your journey through the last 30 days. You have a lot to be proud of, with the challenges along the way. Those are some awesome numbers too!  Good for you for trashing the extra candy too.  I have a bin full of it still, left over from Halloween. I'm not tempted at all, so I'm waiting to donate it to the boy's school for a fun fair. Enjoy the bacon and eggs (that's what I had for breakfast today too :-)).

Today was a fun day! I went through my closet and got rid of all the clothes that were either too big, or I just don't wear much. I didn't go quite as far as the Tidying book recommends and only keeping that I "love".  In the past I would have held onto those bigger clothes....JUST IN CASE!  I'm done living with that mentality. I even dropped them off already at Goodwill, so there's no going back. :-)

Last night I reintro peanut butter. I did have a slight upset stomach this morning, but it went away very quickly, so I'm not sure if it was the PB or not.

My plan is to start another Whole30 the day after Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving will be pretty close to compliant, but I don't want to worry about having butter instead of ghee on my potatoes. Otherwise, I'm sticking to the NO SUGAR! 



Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 13, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
To put a Mustachian spin on this, what is everyone doing with their foods that they now know are sub-optimal to off-limits?  I have lots of beans around the house in particular.  When I think of it, I throw a batch in the slow cooker and feed them to my chickens, but it still feels wasteful.  Will you eat your sub-optimal stuff and throw away the off-limits stuff?  Toss or give it all away?

I move a lot, and even conscientious eat-downs of the pantry I'm often left with open pacakges of non-perishables. Especially spices. How I loath to throw out spices! I've always had great luck posting these items on Freecycle or NextDoor listserves. All items have been taken, every time, despite being open.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 13, 2015, 06:46:26 PM
CONGRATULATIONS KIWISONYA!

You did it! Your numbers are fantastic too!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 13, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
Thanks mum22boys and 1967mama! I don't think I could have done it without you guys as my support group. Response from hubby was 'Oh', so nice to have you guys cheering from the sidelines. My mum and sister are impressed and want to learn more about getting rid of their tummies. Hubby got on the scales after me and has lost a few kgs too from all the good food he has been getting.  He has Crohn's but is so wheat addicted that he doesn't even want to discuss changing his diet. But I'm in charge of the food and he eats what he gets without complaint so will just be gradually tinkering by stealth. Finally, I have to say that I feel really proud of myself for keeping my word, facing the challenges and not giving up or cheating in any way. Swick, I think one of your posts early on about keeping promises to yourself was a real game changer. Who knows what else I can achieve if I can back myself and follow through. ..
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 13, 2015, 07:27:59 PM
Looking for a different way to serve chicken this weekend?

This Whole30 compliant recipe for Easy Mediterranean Chicken (http://thehealthyfoodie.com/easy-mediterranean-chicken/) is just fantastic! We are having it twice a week right now. I cut back a little on the pepper because I'm just not a Spice Girl! I just use bell peppers and tomatoes because that's what I have on hand. For lime juice, I use one of those plastic limes in the produce department that contains lime juice.

For the non-Whole30'ers in my family, I also serve brown rice as it makes lots of nice juice. You could thicken it with Whole30 compliant thickening agent. My littler kids liked it with sour cream to take down the heat a touch.

Great with a big green salad or steamed veggies or a potatoes. Nice leftover the next day, too.

Anyone else have some favorite Whole30 recipe links?

Edited to fix link
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 13, 2015, 08:36:07 PM
Mom22boys - I'm right with you! Get rid of those clothes that are too big for you. We are not going back there! EVER!

Cheddarpie - Thanks for the suggestion of donating canned goods we will no longer be eating. Great idea!

Horsepoor - I have a lot of dry beans too :-/ Not sure what to do about that. We have a few dishes that are super favorites for the kids (Cheesy Bean Burritos comes to mind) ---> not attaching link! hahaha!

Today I had my parents for lunch so we had BBQ hot dogs (the big fat kind) and coleslaw. I made a batch of whole30 mayo this morning but had to use 1/2 EVOO and it didn't taste like the good whole30 mayo we all know and love. So I made a little bowl of coleslaw for myself with my mayo, and a big bowl of regular coleslaw for everyone else. Then while they were serving up and dressing their hotdogs, I fried myself up 2 eggs. No one noticed, except maybe my mom but she didn't say anything.

I had more fruit today that usual, but it was because we were out. I also had a Lara bar. Late afternoon I had a monkey bowl. Dinner was the aforementioned Mediterranean Chicken and some celery sticks (very keto of me, don't you think?!) Funny thing is, now I feel like I'd like more fruit. Hmmm. Putting my own foot down here. Go eat some carrots or something if you are REALLY hungry and not just bored, 1967mama!



Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 14, 2015, 08:00:28 AM
mom22boys - GREAT JOB on the going through clothes and giving stuff away!  Love your mentality too --- BYE bigger clothes!:) I've always enjoyed being tidy {weird, I know} and had a bit of a minimalist mentality, but the Kondo book has given me some new ideas. I adore the t-shirt folding method. I think reorganzing is especially exciting now that I am fitting in some jeans again that I haven't been able to wear in awhile. It's like shopping in my closet.

1967mama -- Am bookmarking the chicken recipe -- thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 14, 2015, 02:09:32 PM
Lots of fun with the kids at a family party. We performed "the owl and the pussycat" and it was the cutest thing. I had a fruit juice mixed with soda but didn't like the bloated uncomfortable feeling it left me with. Dinner was ham, lamb, chicken and lots of salads so that was great. The dessert table was laden but the kids were nearly asleep so I took a piece of sticky biscuit slice to enjoy at home. This morning I decided to introduce wheat so had black coffee and 2 slices of sourdough toast for breakfast with my slice treat. A couple of hours later I don't feel yuck but feel tired and completely depleted of energy. Going to have a whole30 snack to pep me up. My old diet just doesn't deliver the energy levels to get me through the day...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 14, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
Kiwisonya - I love your description you gave here:

My old diet just doesn't deliver the energy levels to get me through the day...

Today was my 2nd experience of ordering in a restaurant during my Whole60.  I wrote the following out on a cocktail napkin:

BBQ Chopped Lemon Chicken Salad
-no bacon
-no candied pecans
-no BBQ sauce
-dressing on the side (olive oil and balsamic vinegar)
-extra grapes, oranges and apples
-grilled lemon chicken - is there a sauce on it? if so does it have sugar in it? if it has sugar, then no sauce - just grilled chicken either with olive oil or poached

It was done perfectly and tasted delicious!

On another note, I just had a monkey bowl with the new jar of Maranatha brand almond butter in it and it has FREAKING CANE SUGAR in it! After I put on the almond butter, I licked the spoon and it tasted so sweet and I was like... GAH! And then I read the jar and sure enough, there it was! I can't believe how much my taste buds have changed so that I actually noticed the sugar without reading the jar. I think about 1/4 tsp went down, if that. So I'm deciding to keep rolling on Day 6. I may have restarted on my first Whole30, but this wasn't a "cheat" per se, but rather a mistake...and a tiny one at that. Would you do the same thing, in my postition?


Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 14, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
I would keep going 1967mama. My energy levels have been in the basement since my carb breakfast.  Had a whole30 snack which gave me a wee boost but had a croissant at lunchtime and down I went again. Back on that old rollercoaster. Plus, I hoed into another piece of leftover biscuit slice in energy desperation. A reappearance of both eating others leftovers and eating treats when not hungry. Enough of this experiment for today. I'm going back to whole 30 for dinner and tomorrow as well. Interesting how it is not physical symptoms but seemingly uncontrollable behaviours that make wheat and sugar bad for me. Eye opening for sure.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on November 14, 2015, 06:31:01 PM
1967mama: not only would I keep going, I did the same in my first whole30. It had not occurred to me to check to see if my almond butter had sugar in it. I mean, why on earth would it?  I had eaten a decent amount before I tasted it by itself and discovered the sugar, so my mistake was quite a bit larger than yours.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 14, 2015, 07:36:17 PM
Today was my 2nd experience of ordering in a restaurant during my Whole60.  I wrote the following out on a cocktail napkin:

BBQ Chopped Lemon Chicken Salad
(awesomeness was here)
It was done perfectly and tasted delicious!

On another note, I just had a monkey bowl with the new jar of Maranatha brand almond butter in it and it has FREAKING CANE SUGAR in it!
...
Would you do the same thing, in my position?

Press on, press on '67. One spoonful of something that's NOT supposed to have sugar in it isn't good enough reason to reset. The setback of restarting could have a greater negative effect than the spoonful itself.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 14, 2015, 08:48:04 PM
Just a short post as I am making dinner but had an a-ha moment I wanted to share. Have been feeling out if control with my energy and emotions since letting the food without brakes carbs back into my diet. Five year old son has just come into the kitchen and had an enormous tantrum because dinner isn't ready 'right now' because he just can't wait -he actually said he was starving to death despite eating raisins that his dad gave him 10 mins ago.  Shit, my kids are living everyday through the roller coaster that I used to because they are still eating the diet that I used to. Feeling a bit in shock. Wholesale change coming to this house ASAP!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 14, 2015, 09:02:10 PM
Kiwi - What a GREAT realization about your kids! Mine too! As the current food trickles out of the house, I'm planning on replacing it with much, much healthier fare. One thing we've "discovered" is that juice, without sugar in it, tastes terrific! Doh! Not that we are huge juice drinkers, but I used to buy the cheapest cans of frozen juice/punch and they always have sugar in them.

Botanist - I'm sorry that your almond butter had sugar in it too. How stupid is that?!!! GRRRRR! Its freaking almond butter!

Faraday - You are so right in this -- I've come SOOOO far. My kids are noticing. My husband is swooning. It would be depressing to start my 2nd Whole 30 again, I think. Good call!

The setback of restarting could have a greater negative effect than the spoonful itself.

Thanks, everyone, for confirming what I was already leaning towards, and also for putting it into words for me. (((HUGS)) you're the best!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 14, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
Thanks for the support 1967mama,glad we can now share the experience of converting the whole family. Love this forum, it really is life changing. Have had a good whole30 dinner and feeling much better -ground beef with tonnes of vege and tinned tomatoes with asparagus and new potatoes on the side-love spring. Tonight's job is to plan healthy whole food for the whole family for the week ahead of tomorrow's shop.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 14, 2015, 10:11:08 PM
I wouldn't worry about it either.  I noticed sugar in the almond butter a while back.  Happy to say the kind Costco has now doesn't have sugar in it.

Last night I wanted to put horseradish on my pork loin, flipped it over and it has all kinds of crazy shit in it, so I had mustard instead.  I got a jar of Bubbys brand tonight and it even has sugar in it, but not the rest of the crazy shit.  I decided the amount is negligible enough that I'm not going to worry about it.

Tonight I got home later than expected and we were starving.  Declared that we'd be having beef on a Leaf.   Basically spiced ground beef and onion over big salads.  It's amazing how good something simple tastes when starving.  Glad I didn't break and grab Chipotle on the way home.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 14, 2015, 11:41:12 PM
This website has a recipe for homemade horseradish (http://paleoleap.com/homemade-paleo-condiments/). I've never seen a horseradish root in a grocery store before. Can someone point me in the right direction? I love horseradish on roast beef and just took delivery of 2 sides of yummy grassfed, antibiotic and hormone free beef a few weeks ago. My freezers are so full! YUM!

Day 6 completed in my Whole60 .. 24 days to go! Tonight I put on the fancy dress that I want to wear to a Christmas gala in a few weeks and I could get the zippers done up, which I couldn't do 2 weeks ago. I'm hopeful that by the end of my Whole60, it will fit well.

In other fashion news, a cute sundress I bought in about 2009 has been way too tight on me practically since the week I bought it. I put it on tonite, and it was TOO BIG FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!! This Whole30 business continues to astound me! I was killing myself laughing and shaking my head. I actually couldn't believe it. I feel like I'm living in my own reality tv show. It seems completely surreal to me.

Have a great day everyone!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Hi 1967mama, I love hearing about your wardrobe exploits. Best keep a bag in the bottom of your wardrobe for donations of too big for me clothes. That is my plan- that way there is no going back. TMI but all my bras and underwear are saggy baggy. But I'm a bit reluctant to replace it as I expect to go down another size yet. Was funny when my 3 year old asked me where my bum had gone! I might just buy one bra and a few pairs of underpants to get me through but nothing expensive or high quality.
On the horse radish, in NZ you can buy plain ground horseradish to make your own sauce -boy it's fiery stuff. Have only seen the root in an organic store once.  Grew my own one year but then heard it was invasive so I ripped it out quick. Have a great day. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 10:38:11 AM
Tonight I got home later than expected and we were starving.  Declared that we'd be having beef on a Leaf.   Basically spiced ground beef and onion over big salads.  It's amazing how good something simple tastes when starving.  Glad I didn't break and grab Chipotle on the way home.

The point where you'd RATHER eat what you have at home...means you have ARRIVED! What's so awesome is how it perfectly dovetails with MMM/frugalism. I'm certain you ate far better for way less than the meal at Chipotle would have cost.

This is why the temptation to "cheat" fades over time. You realize deeper satisfaction from the right foods. I use OREOs as an example, but I honestly don't want them at all the way I used to. I just use the shock and anger to drive me forward. :-)

Day 6 completed in my Whole60 .. 24 days to go! Tonight I put on the fancy dress that I want to wear to a Christmas gala in a few weeks and I could get the zippers done up, which I couldn't do 2 weeks ago. I'm hopeful that by the end of my Whole60, it will fit well.

In other fashion news, a cute sundress I bought in about 2009 has been way too tight on me practically since the week I bought it. I put it on tonite, and it was TOO BIG FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!! This Whole30 business continues to astound me! I was killing myself laughing and shaking my head. I actually couldn't believe it. I feel like I'm living in my own reality tv show. It seems completely surreal to me.

Ditto when I got into smaller pants - it was this sudden thing that I found almost shocking. Shirt sizes are in smaller increments: I dropped out of 2XL shirts pretty quickly. Now I wear older size "L" shirts (that have shrunken in the wash) or newish "M".

I gotta ask: don't clothes feel completely DIFFERENT on your body now? I think when they size up clothes for chunky folks, the clothing industry does a really bad job of that.

Not only do the clothes fit better in all kinds of places, even the fabrics feel different. It's like the fat was blocking nerve endings. (or all the crap food was diminishing the function of my nervous system).
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 10:45:40 AM
Right, Monday morning and I'm starting Day 1 of my next whole30. Two days was enough to tell me I don't want to go back to my old ways. Yes, I will eat whatever I want on Christmas day but I won't go back to the old habits of eating fruit mince pies the day they arrive in the shops, which I think was about 1nov this year! I need every ounce of energy at this time of the year and the old diet simply doesn't deliver on that front. Have a great day everyone (as I tuck into my 3 egg omelette with smokedsalmon, cherry tomatoes and basil - deprivation is what my sister called it!)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 11:06:31 AM
On that note I am starting to see how subversive chosing a radically different diet is.  My first 30 was written off as a fad diet but I think people are starting to feel threatened now. Like 'what is wrong with my brown rice, quinoa and maple syrup instead of sugar?' I think I'm going to have to stick with 'my body prefers it when I eat this way. ' I don't want arguments and debates. I'm just going to be an example of a different way of living and let the results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 11:22:02 AM
Right, Monday morning and I'm starting Day 1 of my next whole30. Two days was enough to tell me I don't want to go back to my old ways. Yes, I will eat whatever I want on Christmas day but I won't go back to the old habits of eating fruit mince pies the day they arrive in the shops, which I think was about 1nov this year! I need every ounce of energy at this time of the year and the old diet simply doesn't deliver on that front. Have a great day everyone (as I tuck into my 3 egg omelette with smokedsalmon, cherry tomatoes and basil - deprivation is what my sister called it!)

KS, you make me want to ask you: "What does it mean to eat whatever you want on Christmas Day"?

Now, I'm not challenging you or trying to shame you. I want to do is talk about what "being good" vs. "cheating"  really means. Because we're all different people after we do this, after we reach these vital, life-changing milestones.

Because if you stick to Whole30, by the time Christmas rolls around, you will be a physically different person from who you are today. Quite literally. What you think and feel about cheating SHOULD be different than what you think and feel about it then.

Before I ever thought to hack my diet, I shoveled whatever I wanted to into my mouth. Horrible stuff from all the fast food chains. "Cheating" was not one item. "Cheating" was as much as a day or two binge on horrible, shitty food with absolutely zero nutritional value and totally negative nutritional values. 

Then I'd sufffer for a few days. Reflux, sore teeth from the reflux, swollen sinuses and sinus infections, headaches, digestive pain, constipation, inflammation and swelling, that "over all pain" you get with too much sodium. Not able to sleep. Not able to get up. On and on. This would happen, I'd then go to the doctor to get something for my sinus infections and eventually I got Nexium for the reflux. Doctors threw up their hands on the constipation and just called it "IBS". (Irritable Bowel Syndrome).

That cycle is what cheating used to look like for me.

Now, "cheating" is 1/2 of a (small) slice of pie, 1/2 a pint of a nice Oatmeal Stout or splitting an individual serving cake square from the store. It happens once per event, usually a birthday. DW and I have already planned our "cheat" for thanksgiving: 1/2 a cup each of Oyster Dressing, which is about 80% bread and 20% actual good stuff. I'll probably add a 1/2 cup of cranberry sauce.

And that 1/2 of a normal serving of something sweet or mildly bad for me is really all I need - totally "does it" for me. I feel a quick, short, cautionary twinge of guilt. I go on a bike ride to burn the carbs and sugars. I plan my next meal and the next one after that. And I listen, very carefully, to my body to see what happens. Usually, there's no bad aftereffects, but sometimes there are.

And the "cheat event" propels me forward, making me more resistant to the bad foods and more happy with what I choose to eat. Usually, I'll go to my fave websites, find a new recipe for something that looks good and try it. Then I find ever-more satisifaction with what I'm doing and I push ahead.

So: My question to you is - what will your "Christmas Day Cheat" look like, and what do you plan to do to EARN IT AND BURN IT?!?!?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
On that note I am starting to see how subversive chosing a radically different diet is.  My first 30 was written off as a fad diet but I think people are starting to feel threatened now. Like 'what is wrong with my brown rice, quinoa and maple syrup instead of sugar?' I think I'm going to have to stick with 'my body prefers it when I eat this way. ' I don't want arguments and debates. I'm just going to be an example of a different way of living and let the results speak for themselves.

PREACH IT SISTER!

I got all manner of shit, and I'm a dude.

This year's holiday crap has already started ebbing-and-flowing at work. There's a "Cookie Party" planned for one day this month. I'm marking that day as OOTO (Out Of The Office). I'll either work from home or schedule a vacation day.

The simple fact is that if people want to come at me with that shit, they learn real fast that it makes them absolutely, completely disposable. Then they back off and figure out that this shit is for reals.

Seriously: You gotta throw the question back at them, that we are answering for ourselves: Why the hell are you killing yourself with that shit? Why do you think it's your job to push it at me? What's wrong with you that you are so obsessed with this stuff that is NOT FOOD?!?

I got to the point where I'd rattle off a few health problems and ask them if they were having the same health problems. When you focus on the health problems rather than weight, it brings a far more serious note to the discussion.  They need to understand that they are behaving like a pusher, in a very literal sense they are a threat to health. That makes them disposable.

And by the way: we've had three fellow employees die in the last calendar year. All three young men. One by cancer, one by stroke, one by heart attack.  The one who died from the stroke passed away in the parking lot at work. He walked to his car, sat down and stroked out. His co-workers watched the EMS load him onto the gurney and cover him with a sheet.

With that kind of ammo, I'm usually unstoppable when it comes to getting people to back off. Heh heh.

Usually, I can get sort-of a halfhearted confession out of the person, a kind of comment about "well, I guess I should be eating healthier". I keep hammering on the bad health effects, enough so that they will be looking for them when they  happen. And they WILL happen. No one is immune!

Sometimes, they even mutter resolutions to themselves about improving their own diet. I harumph and express doubt. Real or not, I don't turn into their "counselor". I don't want to mentor losers. I'll push them out of the lifeboat before I'll allow it to sink under their lack of commitment.

I'm deadly, dangerously serious about what I eat. NOTHING is worth riding the lifestyle disease train to hell.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 11:47:01 AM
What do I mean when I say "I've gotten all manner of shit, and I'm a dude"?!?!

First: let's set the context: I am employed in the "high tech" industry. I work in a cube in close proximity to all my co-workers. There is no privacy.

I am married, been married for almost 30 years. I have three framed photos of my wife with my kids in my cube. (And BTW: IMHO, my wife is awesomely beautiful and smart. I constantly tell her how lucky I feel and with a smile, I ask her "if she's still tricked into staying married to me"....)

I don't flirt at work. I don't even like spending time after work with my co-workers, although I will when the occasion demands it.

So....two years ago this March, I started the Keto lifestyle. I'd been on it for about 10 months. Results were visible and dramatic. I was extremely happy with myself, and going through the phase where people started noticing and commenting, and frankly, some female employees' demeanor toward me had changed quite a bit, for the positive. That's nice, but I really don't care. I am there to do a job and that's all.

One young lady, a co-worker of mine who's always wanted me to go to bed with her, took it upon herself to start trying to control what I eat in an effort to put the pounds back on me. (She has NO INTENTION of turning loose of the junk food.)

She started baking cookies, cakes and brownies and bringing them to work, to meetings, to the break room, etc. I wasn't going for any of it.

When that didn't work, she created the idea of a "Chili Cook-Off" with me as a judge, guaranteeing I'd have to eat large amounts of a large number of different chili recipes. (including ones carb-laden with fillers or beans or other sweet vegetables. Definitely not keto)

The Chili Cook-Off started to "grow legs". I was afraid this time something might happen. In staff meetings, she made it sound as if I'd "volunteered"

(Remember, this is someone I barely say "hello" to in the morning....)

At that point I walked into her cube, closed the sliding door (we have these little sliding doors) and started channeling my inner redneck + my inner psychiatrist. I'm a big boy, so when I go into that mode, it gets pretty intimidating.

I pointed out that I would not be involved in any Chili cook-off and that she needs to back off and quit worrying about what I eat. I preached her a sermon about conquering the demons that live within us. I talked about how truly unhappy and empty we are living on junk food.

I laid the fire and brimstone on her.

I told her she'd reached the point where I knew I could not trust her, and that I needed her to leave me alone and try to build that trust back up. I told her let's go on probationary time and see how she does.

Then I followed through: I didn't speak to her for weeks and weeks. Not snippy, just didn't make time, where before I had to work to make the time, I just ignored her presence. (Honestly, it worked wonders for my productivity and I'm happier to this day for it....)

It damn nearly killed her and today she might make a snide comment about something else, but she damn well doesn't touch the subject of FOOD any more. I can handle the other stuff - because I really don't give a shit.

So ladies: you get shit from someone, you gotta BRING THE PAIN. Remember, there are AMPLE ways for you to turn it back on them, because in the end, no one escapes the curse of junk food!!!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
That is really heavy shit, Faraday.  No wonder you are staunch to the cause. I'm re engineering Xmas to suit me but I'm going to want a piece of fruit cake, a fruit mince pie and maybe a piece of pavlova (kind of like a meringue cake). The rest will be more or less compliant. I'll burn it off playing frisbee in the park with the kids in the afternoon. I'm lucky that most kiwis are pretty laidback so don't imagine many stoushes over diet. More likely to get whispers behind my back about being a 'food nazi' or if I lose a lot of weight 'anorexic'. I can handle that. Went shopping and bought a new bra 2 cup sizes smaller and tshirts and shorts in size small. Shit, what will I do when I lose more weight.  Have noticed store sizes getting bigger to make the fat population feel better about themselves. Glad to be swimming against that tide.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
That is really heavy shit, Faraday.  No wonder you are staunch to the cause.

True, true. It could be TMI, but I thought a good story might explain me a little bit better. I feel sometimes like I need to be that much more energetic here, to give all ya'all more energy and resolve OUT THERE WHERE THE CRAZIES ARE.

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Glad to be swimming against that tide.

That's an excellent observation, that sizes are getting bigger. Plus, when I was bigger, I was forever seeing those larger sizes unavailable - being bought out because so many people are that big now.

Honestly, I am completely amazed that everyone on earth isn't the size of a damn house, as strongly as bad food is marketed to us. We live saturated by the bad food gospel.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 07:32:13 PM
Watch out, here comes a new term coined by the press: "Orthorexia":
https://www.yahoo.com/health/orthorexia-the-accidental-eating-disorder-175516694.html

Some things to be aware of in this article:

1) Whole30, Keto, Paleo, Atkins, any of the low-carb plans don't want you to shrink  your food choices down to a dozen or less. That's not the point of these lifestyles - you all well know, it's figuring out what makes you sick and getting it out of your food chain. I haven't seen any signs of "orthorexia" in this thread at all.

2) "Orthorexia" is not in the DSM. That means right now it's really only a made-up term by the media, open to definition by whoever is writing the article. That's a very important point, since not being in the DSM means it's NOT been researched and defined by scientists doing pure science.

3) Ancel Keys, quoted in the article for the "Minnesota Starvation Experiment" is widely disputed by those in the Keto/Paleo lifestyles because it was his "Seven Countries Study" that laid the foundation for the Food Pyramid pushed by the US Government with the help of lobbyists from the food industry - places like General Mills, Archer-Daniels-Midland, Post, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys

Five servings of bread a day, my ass.

Quoting:

"After observing in southern Italy the highest concentration of centenarians in the world, Keys hypothesized that a Mediterranean-style diet low in animal fat protected against heart disease and that a diet high in animal fats led to heart disease. The results of what later became known as the Seven Countries Study appeared to show that serum cholesterol was strongly related to coronary heart disease mortality both at the population and at the individual level.[29][30] As a result, in 1956 representatives of the American Heart Association appeared on television to inform people that a diet which included large amounts of butter, lard, eggs, and beef would lead to coronary heart disease. This resulted in the American government recommending that people adopt a low-fat diet in order to prevent heart disease."

I am totally betting my life AGAINST this statement. So far, my own personal medical data is supporting my bet. Now: I don't "live on meat and butter". I eat a ton of eggs, beef, butter, pork, chicken and seafood. I also eat a ton of salads, celery, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, squash (butternut - delish!),  artichokes, berries (when i can get them) and the (very) occasional apple, orange or canteloupe.  I strive for about 50% fats, 40% proteins and 10% carbs. I don't always make those numbers but that's generally what I'm shooting for.

So, be careful. You might find someone reading this pablum and thinking the term applies to you, when you're really only fighting the FIVE FUCKING OREO DISPLAYS in the high traffic areas at Walmart, the cheap-ass hard cookies in the break room at work and the snack machine loaded with crap.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 15, 2015, 07:47:52 PM
Right, Monday morning and I'm starting Day 1 of my next whole30.

Hi KS, may I join you? I'm struggling, and I think having a buddy could be very helpful. Even 17 time zones away.

Which brings us to my random factoid regarding time zones. I work on a ship, and enjoy celestial navigation. Converting between time zones is second nature at this point. Thought I could teach my mom same; thought wrong; failed so hard; mom eternally confused, thinks Australia & New Zealand might actually exist in the future; laughed at mom; mom still quick enough to catch me; bum still sore. Pride, and it's battle with gravity.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 07:56:50 PM
Hey Sailor Sam....we are all here with you! We love you man! Meenit! :-)

But hey, I get what you mean. I have those here in the forums I occasionally gab with directly and it's truly helpful!

Right, Monday morning and I'm starting Day 1 of my next whole30.

Hi KS, may I join you? I'm struggling, and I think having a buddy could be very helpful. Even 17 time zones away.

Which brings us to my random factoid regarding time zones. I work on a ship, and enjoy celestial navigation. Converting between time zones is second nature at this point. Thought I could teach my mom same; thought wrong; failed so hard; mom eternally confused, thinks Australia & New Zealand might actually exist in the future; laughed at mom; mom still quick enough to catch me; bum still sore. Pride, and it's battle with gravity.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
Ha ha Sailor Sam,  would love you to join me. 1967mama is on her 2nd round too just a few days ahead. Seeing I'm living in the future I'll let you know how tomorrow's going to be... Looking good for you so far. Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 08:48:01 PM
So Sailor Sam, how does food on a ship go. I have visions of great pans of lasagne and the only choice being with or without a mountain of mashed potatoes. Ok, that was my only dining experience on a military base. But can you cook your own food and buy your own supplies? Are you at sea now? I imagine logistical difficulties without even starting on the eating culture on the ship. Tell us your struggles...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 15, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
KS, thanks, glad to be aboard*  Food on the ship can be challenging to navigate$. Your vision of endless lasagna pans ain't far off - low quality pre-made products, cooked with utter disinterest, and served with contempt. All snacks come from nabisco. There's a ice cream freezer. Midnight rations for watchstanders are generally hotdogs. To be fair, some ships are renowned for their stellar Stewards and galleys, but even those ships serve very mainstream fare. Happily, all cutters have salad bars, and we pull in frequently enough to keep them stocked with fresh stuff 75% of the time.   

Even happily-er, I'm currently rocking a land assignment. I've got my own apartment, with my own kitchen. My struggles are purely psychological. My previous 30 days ended just in time for Halloween. I indulged, and now I'm having a seriously hard time getting back into a healthy groove. Nothing too mysterious, just me shooting myself in the foot.

Faraday, my dudebro. Thanks, that was kind of you. I almost felt an emotion.

*See what I did there?
$Phew, I'm on a roll!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 15, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
Even happily-er, I'm currently rocking a land assignment. I've got my own apartment, with my own kitchen. My struggles are purely psychological. My previous 30 days ended just in time for Halloween. I indulged, and now I'm having a seriously hard time getting back into a healthy groove. Nothing too mysterious, just me shooting myself in the foot.

Faraday, my dudebro. Thanks, that was kind of you. I almost felt an emotion.
Hey SS: did you catch my manifesto earlier in this thread, on "The Season of Insanity"? Your Halloween indulgence wasn't accident, you were set up man, you were SET UP!
 
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/whole-30-starting-sept-8th-want-to-join-us/msg837739/#msg837739

"They" will try to do it again for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. But New Year's, they will blame YOU for it and lay the guilt on in the form of a "New Year's Resolution". "They" expect you to work your ass off trying to keep a resolution they've pre-determined you will fail at. And about the time you give up, sometime around Valentine's Day, they'll throw the 2.5 lbs of fine chocolates at you in a heart shaped box. And just in case you did actually work out after New Year's, they'll try one more time at Easter.

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 15, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
Sailor Sam, great to hear logistics aren't the problem. I found it helpful to write down in detail what I hoped to get out of my whole30. Then stuck in on the fridge to remind myself when I was struggling. But Faraday is right that you were set up to fail with Halloween and a whole lot more eating disasters are heading our way fast. I actually relish the challenge of doing whole30 through the season of insanity to boost my aura of invincibility. 40 days ago saying no to treats offered to me would have been unthinkable.  Today, no sweat. Next step, keep Christmas to just one day. Not one morsel of festive fare will be passing these lips before 25 Dec, just saved myself a couple of kgs right there. Share your psychological challenges with us as rhey come up. This lovely group has brought me back from rhe brink more than once...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 16, 2015, 02:05:22 AM
Kiwi and SS -- Yes, I'm just one week ahead of you on my Whole60. So technically, I'm living your future and its FREAKING AWESOME!!! I thought I'd experienced the most dramatic changes in my first Whole30 but now I feel like that was just the baby steps. I'm being much more mindful of eating too much fruit and I think that will help me see my numbers and clothing sizes drop. Already feeling the tiger blood after 1 week -- never really ended after the first Whole30

Day 7 here and I went shopping at a lovely consignment boutique today. I took 4 items into the fitting room with me and all 4 fit (said me, never!). I got a tunic, a dress and a nice top. All 3 were flattering and in regular sizes at a regular clothing store.  My plus sized days are behind me forever.  In January I will be 49 -- ack -- but I feel like I'm kind of getting my crap together before I turn 50. It would have been super depressing to be 70+ lbs overweight on my 50th birthday;.

Also today, my 12 y.o. son asked if he could go for a walk around the block and so I asked if I could join him. Before I left I was a little hungry so I had a handful of almonds and a carrot. Its a big country block and takes around 20 minutes. Was lovely and sunny and the cool crisp air did me good. Who is this person?! This is so not me!

My daughter who is doing the Whole30 with me had a birthday today and I made a cake made out of fruit! (https://www.google.ca/search?q=cake+made+of+fruit&espv=2&biw=1253&bih=661&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBsQsARqFQoTCJvwhdXHlMkCFYdjJgodAtEFAQ) It was super cute and much appreciated by my sweet daughter. She is doing great on the program but is doing whole30'ish where she is on and off the program due to life circumstances (mostly on).

Kiwi - I love what you said here:
I actually relish the challenge of doing whole30 through the season of insanity to boost my aura of invincibility. 40 days ago saying no to treats offered to me would have been unthinkable. 
I have the same feeling as you and feel like I can accomplish anything! And I was beyond a sweet tooth too -- my kids are all marvelling that I'm eating like dad now. Doh! How did I go on so long the other way? I feel like a million bucks!

Faraday - Thanks for posting on how you deal with haters/doubters/criticizers. I have one friend who I haven't seen or talked to in 5 weeks. She has some pretty strong opinions on dieting, why its wrong, how you are ruining your metabolism, don't deprive yourself etc. I have been tossing around what I'm might to say. I'm not sure if she realizes that me being 70 pounds overweight is not healthy and has me off the charts for risk of many dire conditions. She is my age and size too. I'm not looking forward to seeing her:-( I know I will get an earful.


Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 16, 2015, 06:33:10 AM
Sailor, please do jump in!  I'm just on Day 8 myself, so don't feel like you're behind. 

67 - that is a tough one.  Maybe if you frame it not as a weight-loss diet, but a permanent change in eating habits and retooling your taste buds and your  relationship with food to find out what makes you feel best?  Diets are really unfortunate because they've been associated with deprivation and misery, and rightly so, when they involve black coffee and grapefruit and counting calories. 

I think the tiger's blood hit me yesterday.  Tuesday through Friday I was sleeping on the couch with my dog because he had surgery and couldn't make it up and down the stairs and needed help to go out to potty (our house has stairs everywhere).  I probably made it through those days much better than I would have if I hadn't been doing W30, but I was still getting worn down.  Saturday night I was able to sleep in my own bed and to my surprise, I woke up easily after a nice 8 hours, got up and attacked the kitchen - spent most of the day cleaning, organizing and decluttering, made dinner, went to the gym for an awesome workout, came home and cleaned some more.  This morning - ~6 hours of sleep and boom - wide awake at 5 am.

My husband is staying away from basically chips, sweets and alcohol, but still partaking in dairy, grains and other crap like commercial salad dressing, and he was struggling quite a bit with wanting some beer this weekend, and his energy levels aren't up like mine, which I think is interesting.  I won't lie and say a glass of wine didn't sound nice, but I wasn't as preoccupied with it has he was Saturday night.

Oh yeah - I made some white rice last night to go with our beef heart ragu.  I've been thinking of including it in this W30 since before I started.  When I did this in January I got a nasty cold towards the end and found myself at a Chipotle and my body just screaming for some rice and felt so much better after having it.  Since I'm not looking to lose much weight, I'm OK with the carbs, and it fits well with what the Perfect Health Diet authors found with tweaking paleo to work for them.  Anyway, we won't be eating tons of it, but thought I'd throw in that data point. Also weighed in yesterday morning since I didn't want to weight in post-race and birthday dinner extravaganza the previous weekend.  167.2 - so basically not loss yet, but I feel like I was eating a lot last week and not exercising, so not surprising.  164 would be nice to see three weeks from now, but my clothes are fitting well so I'm happy.

Hope everyone has a great week!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Liz on November 16, 2015, 08:20:03 AM
Great information Faraday -- thank you for sharing. So many people now are vegan, gluten-free, paleo, or dairy-free nowadays. There's no right or wrong answer for everyone, people have to "ride their own bike" as they say on Whole30 and find what works for them.  I think when people belittle your food choices, they have some underlying issues themselves.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 16, 2015, 09:39:14 AM
Great information Faraday -- thank you for sharing. So many people now are vegan, gluten-free, paleo, or dairy-free nowadays. There's no right or wrong answer for everyone, people have to "ride their own bike" as they say on Whole30 and find what works for them.  I think when people belittle your food choices, they have some underlying issues themselves.

Thanks Liz, much appreciated.

I think eating disorders are serious business - I've encountered someone with Anorexia Nervosa before and it scares the hell out of me.  But food is a personal journey, something that lives inside our minds and bodies and we must find our own path. It is up to us here in this thread to call out the shams and hucksters who are trying to steal that control from us.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 16, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
Faraday - Thanks for posting on how you deal with haters/doubters/criticizers. I have one friend who I haven't seen or talked to in 5 weeks. She has some pretty strong opinions on dieting, why its wrong, how you are ruining your metabolism, don't deprive yourself etc. I have been tossing around what I'm might to say. I'm not sure if she realizes that me being 70 pounds overweight is not healthy and has me off the charts for risk of many dire conditions. She is my age and size too. I'm not looking forward to seeing her:-( I know I will get an earful.

Oh sis, you don't have to be at your ultimate goal to blow someone's mind. You are gonna rock her world when she sees you next. No matter what she says, just remember that.

One question: Are you able to get some bloodwork done at your personal physician? Some good, solid physical evidence of improved numbers never hurts to have handy.

I had mine done just to make sure I was on the right track and just getting the data ever-more-firmly cemented my conviction.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 16, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
Hi All,

Looks like everyone had a busy weekend with a lot of revelations! Went on a "girls weekend" with my mom and sister to the good ol' USA. Was quite enlightening! Did pretty good! Had a glass of wine, (meh could take it or leave it) didn't feel any desire to finish it so didn't. Had a Creme Brule (AKA Burnt cream in America) for dessert. Had a couple of bites and really enjoyed it, but felt no need to finish it. Kept gluten/wheat free which was the big one for me. 

Shopping is sure easier when you can automatically ignore everything that isn't compliant! Went to Trader Joe's for the frist time. Sis and mom rave about it. I found it to be a grocery store with a few neat things but full of "pseudo health food" that at the end of the day isn't much better for you. Did get some good quality cheap seafood, nuts and nitrate free bacon (almost impossible to find in Canada) so that was awesome.  I saw so many people that just made me sad though. Can't imagine the quality of life that these people experience due to their dietary choices.

Oh, Hubs is on his smallest belt hole now! He had a fantastic productive weekend without me and even went for Chinese food buffet with his family (their tradition) He had one plate, and while he had some wheat and sugar and soy (and lord knows what else) he said he limited his portions (despite pressure to go get more) and said he felt really great! I know I'm more sensitive in every way (we joke I'm the canary in the coal mine) but it was great for him to be able to show the self-restraint and to navigate his family :)

Starting my next whole 30 with my mom today! So excited to have the company SailorSam and KiwiSonya!

I do think I will be doing a slightly modified Keto version, and will allow myself some grass fed butter and occasional bit of cheese and trying to keep in keto and really being consious of and limiting the higher carb fruits and veg.


Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 16, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
Hi, welcome back everyone. 1967mama so excited to think it gets even better. I'm still hanging out for the moment someone who doesn't know what I'm doing notices! I feel like I am right back into tiger blood which is awesome.  I'm going to use that energy to get some spring cleaning and decluttering done like horsepoor. 1967mama, I wouldn't even bother coming up with a witty retort. She's going to take one look at you and be on her ass. Let's face it we seldom notice when people are on diets because they don't work. She's going to be able to tell that something more serious is going on and that it's good for you by the smile and the attitude.
There's a big celebration this morning for a family leaving at my Playcentre. For the first time I baked something I have no intention of eating (sausage rolls) and  I don't even feel tempted. There will be all kinds of sugary junk but I will still be full of bacon, eggs and spinach. Will treat myself by getting rid of a ton of too big clothes today. Ha ha, listen to me...
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 16, 2015, 11:46:49 AM
Ok boys and girls, I'm going to channel my Melissa Hartwig inner self with this post.  I'm going to first say that this is NOT meant to be personal or NOT meant to say that you shouldn't be on this thread....OK?  :-) 

If you are eating rice, you are not doing the Whole30.  If you are eating butter, you are not doing the Whole30. If you are weighing yourself before the 30 days is up, you are not doing the Whole30.  If you are eating trace sugar (like me :-)), you are not doing the Whole30. Why am I saying this? Because those are the rules, and the rules are the rules. I don't want lurkers (which WHY are you lurking? Join the party!) on this thread to think those things are ok on the Whole30, because the rules say they are not. (Remember I didn't write the rules....just the messenger.)

What you CAN say is that you did the Whole30 and you're now in the reintro phase.  Or you can say that you're doing Keto instead (shout out to Faraday), which is a close cousin or even sibling to the Whole30.  Heck, this group has open arms for most diet hackers.  And I don't use the word 'diet' as in a temporary thing....I mean it as our way of life.  But....YOU ARE NOT DOING THE WHOLE30 unless you are following the rules.

Ok, I'm off my soap box, and Melissa has left my body.

1967mama - I DO think you are perfectly fine to continue with your Whole60, even with the small sugar slip up because it wasn't intended and you immediately corrected.  I actually had the same thing for my first time around, and after reading the official Whole30 blog, I was happy to continue on my journey.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 16, 2015, 12:15:45 PM
Hey SS: did you catch my manifesto earlier in this thread, on "The Season of Insanity"? Your Halloween indulgence wasn't accident, you were set up man, you were SET UP!
 
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/whole-30-starting-sept-8th-want-to-join-us/msg837739/#msg837739

"They" will try to do it again for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. But New Year's, they will blame YOU for it and lay the guilt on in the form of a "New Year's Resolution". "They" expect you to work your ass off trying to keep a resolution they've pre-determined you will fail at. And about the time you give up, sometime around Valentine's Day, they'll throw the 2.5 lbs of fine chocolates at you in a heart shaped box. And just in case you did actually work out after New Year's, they'll try one more time at Easter.

I sure did read you manifesto. You're not wrong. Lots of research goes into making processed food highly desirable, and lots of marketing goes into getting us to buy junk. For me, just thinking of mac & cheese makes me crave that blue box. Despite the fact that eating dairy makes me puke. That's some strong conditioning!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 16, 2015, 12:20:29 PM
Interesting observations, mom22 boys!

Your warning are correct for those just getting started and those who are lurking.  The whole idea of "Whole 30"  is that it is a temporary plan to help you figure out what is the best way of eating for you. it IS NOT meant to be a long-term "diet"

Naturally, as people get to the end of their 30 days and the re-intro phase - people are going to figure out a way that works for them while still staying in the "spirit" of and with the lessons learned from whole 30 and figuring out what that means to them going forward.

In my opinion, the only place the whole 30 really isn't helpful is the area of re-intro and what it means "after the fact" the fact that so many of us have struggled with it and feel a little lost and trying to figure out what that means for the rest of our lives highlights the fact that this is information that is needed

We could split off into a bunch of different threads, but I think it is important to note that there are many different options and ways of cultivating health after the whole 30 is done, and that part of the journey is as important as the initial 30 days.

So, I totally get where you are coming from, and the reminder is important, especially for those who are new to the whole 30 - or if you are breaking the rules because you are lazy/lack the motivation/whatever

....but I'm going to go with the philosophy that guides my life...If you have a clear understanding of the rules, you can bend, adjust, modify them if you do so consciously, with purpose and for your highest good.  I'm still going to call it "whole 30"  because it works for me, and I will be very careful to note any personal deviations that are not strict whole 30 compliant. 
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 16, 2015, 12:34:20 PM
Interesting observations, mom22 boys!

Your warning are correct for those just getting started and those who are lurking.  The whole idea of "Whole 30"  is that it is a temporary plan to help you figure out what is the best way of eating for you. it IS NOT meant to be a long-term "diet"

Naturally, as people get to the end of their 30 days and the re-intro phase - people are going to figure out a way that works for them while still staying in the "spirit" of and with the lessons learned from whole 30 and figuring out what that means to them going forward.

In my opinion, the only place the whole 30 really isn't helpful is the area of re-intro and what it means "after the fact" the fact that so many of us have struggled with it and feel a little lost and trying to figure out what that means for the rest of our lives highlights the fact that this is information that is nee

We could split off into a bunch of different threads, but I think it is important to note that there are many different options and ways of cultivating health after the whole 30 is done, and that part of the journey is as important as the initial 30 days.

So, I totally get where you are coming from, and the reminder is important, especially for those who are new to the whole 30 - or if you are breaking the rules because you are lazy/lack the motivation/whatever

....but I'm going to go with the philosophy that guides my life...If you have a clear understanding of the rules, you can bend, adjust, modify them if you do so consciously, with purpose and for your highest good.  I'm still going to call it "whole 30"  because it works for me, and I will be very careful to note any personal deviations that are not strict whole 30 compliant.

Agree with EVERYTHING you wrote! I was definitely not proposing a separate thread. The reintro is part of the process, and I agree that the reintro has been way harder than actually DOING the Whole30. We need to support everyone in that, and then make changes to what works for us individually. My point was when we're actually IN the Whole30, let's stick to the rules. If you're doing a hack of the Whole30, make sure it's called out, just like you said....because it works for YOU! :-)  If you're doing reintro, then call that out too.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 16, 2015, 01:09:22 PM
Ok boys and girls, I'm going to channel my Melissa Hartwig inner self with this post.  I'm going to first say that this is NOT meant to be personal or NOT meant to say that you shouldn't be on this thread....OK?  :-) 

If you are eating rice, you are not doing the Whole30.  If you are eating butter, you are not doing the Whole30. If you are weighing yourself before the 30 days is up, you are not doing the Whole30.  If you are eating trace sugar (like me :-)), you are not doing the Whole30. Why am I saying this? Because those are the rules, and the rules are the rules. I don't want lurkers (which WHY are you lurking? Join the party!) on this thread to think those things are ok on the Whole30, because the rules say they are not. (Remember I didn't write the rules....just the messenger.)

What you CAN say is that you did the Whole30 and you're now in the reintro phase.  Or you can say that you're doing Keto instead (shout out to Faraday), which is a close cousin or even sibling to the Whole30.  Heck, this group has open arms for most diet hackers.  And I don't use the word 'diet' as in a temporary thing....I mean it as our way of life.  But....YOU ARE NOT DOING THE WHOLE30 unless you are following the rules.

Ok, I'm off my soap box, and Melissa has left my body.

1967mama - I DO think you are perfectly fine to continue with your Whole60, even with the small sugar slip up because it wasn't intended and you immediately corrected.  I actually had the same thing for my first time around, and after reading the official Whole30 blog, I was happy to continue on my journey.

Oh, I read this and swooned. :-) :-) :-)

The parallels to learning and living the MMM lifestyle are numerous and significant. We don't come here to the MMM forums to save for a little while then go back to being consumer suckkas. We change our lives and we live a new lifestyle. Same for hacking the diet, be it Whole30, Paleo, Keto, whatever.

DIET is a four letter word. I usually say "Keto Lifestyle", and if the person gets a really odd look on their face, I explain that it's the food I eat and the way I live, normally people call this a diet but I don't.

This is the core belief we all have in common, and it's why I love all ya'all and this thread so much. The commitment to finding the truth and letting it change you.

Once you have experienced success, change and life improvements, it puts "cheating" in a whole different perspective and not really one we prefer.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 16, 2015, 01:59:12 PM
Interesting observations, mom22 boys!

Your warning are correct for those just getting started and those who are lurking.  The whole idea of "Whole 30"  is that it is a temporary plan to help you figure out what is the best way of eating for you. it IS NOT meant to be a long-term "diet"

Naturally, as people get to the end of their 30 days and the re-intro phase - people are going to figure out a way that works for them while still staying in the "spirit" of and with the lessons learned from whole 30 and figuring out what that means to them going forward.

In my opinion, the only place the whole 30 really isn't helpful is the area of re-intro and what it means "after the fact" the fact that so many of us have struggled with it and feel a little lost and trying to figure out what that means for the rest of our lives highlights the fact that this is information that is nee

We could split off into a bunch of different threads, but I think it is important to note that there are many different options and ways of cultivating health after the whole 30 is done, and that part of the journey is as important as the initial 30 days.

So, I totally get where you are coming from, and the reminder is important, especially for those who are new to the whole 30 - or if you are breaking the rules because you are lazy/lack the motivation/whatever

....but I'm going to go with the philosophy that guides my life...If you have a clear understanding of the rules, you can bend, adjust, modify them if you do so consciously, with purpose and for your highest good.  I'm still going to call it "whole 30"  because it works for me, and I will be very careful to note any personal deviations that are not strict whole 30 compliant.

Well said, and point taken about not confusing any lurkers.  I hope I made my point clear about why I am eating rice.  I don't have much weight to lose and feel like my metabolism is on track.  It was also a conscious debate in my mind in the weeks before starting, and based on what I've read, plus previous experience.

The rules are useful, but in some senses they are also arbitrary.  I was reading directly from their website this morning, and commercial kombucha with added fruit juice is A-OK with them, but some vanilla extract is not.  They seem to not be concerned that the commercial kombucha can have up to .5% alcohol, and is probably being consumed by the pint, vs. using a teaspoon of vanilla in a recipe that probably makes a few servings, not to mention the fruit juice added after fermentation.  I would also rather incidentally ingest less than a gram of added sugar in some horseradish once or twice during the month vs. going out to eat and having unknown things added to my food (let's face it, who knows what might be in grilled chicken on that restaurant salad, or in those reconstituted hotel breakfast eggs).  Obviously everyone has to figure out where to draw their line, and while I don't see a problem with the horseradish, it can be a slippery slope down to slathering everything in BBQ sauce if you're not reading labels carefully.  My purpose with this W30 was mainly to get myself back on track after a few months of being very busy, traveling a lot and getting sloppy with my diet.  I wanted to see if my allergies and congestion would clear up, and so dairy, wheat and alcohol have been my three main suspects on that front.  I've also been strict with staying away from soy and all other legumes even though I know that black beans and lentils seem to agree with me.  As far as the rice, I haven't read anything negative about white rice other than the total carb content and glycemic index.  W30 used to forbid white potatoes and now they've flexed on that.  I suspect that they would also flex on white rice as well if they weren't in the dreaded "grains" category.

I don't mean for any of this to sound defensive, I just wanted to lay out my thought process more clearly.  I think it's worthwhile that you reiterated that W30 does have strict rules, but on the other hand, they do basically say - these are the rules, but do what you want.  Of course, they've also developed a vegetarian W30 shopping list that includes lentils, beans and fermented soy, and I think that could be a useful reference for people wanting to try something similar without quite as much meat.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 16, 2015, 02:24:18 PM
I was texting with my sis in a town an hour away (haven't seen her since before whole30) and she is intrigued! I'm super psyched! I sent her a pic of my new slimmer self taken yesterday. The first thing she said was "I can't stop eating...!" And she also said, "But what will I put in my 6 cups of coffee?" To which I answered "Coffee!"  Haha!

I'm having trouble falling asleep at night but I think it's family stress stuff .. Hubs is away on business, some of the little kids were away for the weekend, one young adult having mental health challenges. That sorta stuff keeps me awake, whole30 or not. I'm certain, though, that I would be handling things infinitely worse if I weren't eating so well. Also, the desire for exercise (even though it's just walking) seems to be a stress mitigator.

I LOVED the channelling of Melissa Hartwig! You are so right. I am definitely Whole60 here :-) On the straight and narrow. Not a bit of non-compliant food passing these lips except the tiny bit of (grrrrr) non compliant almond butter. I feel like writing to Maranatha about that!

I've asked this before, but it's slipped by: will I continue to lose weight if I add back foods in reintroduction that work well with my body? I was thinking about this for post Whole60. Thanks for any thoughts on this!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Cranberries on November 16, 2015, 02:40:30 PM
1967mama - for your sister: I am not fond of black coffee, but for the last couple of years my partner has been adding fat (butter until recently, coconut oil or ghee now) to his coffee and whipping it up with an immersion blender. The result is amazing, makes cream and sugar totally unnecessary, and it cuts the jitters.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: mom22boys on November 16, 2015, 04:04:24 PM

I've asked this before, but it's slipped by: will I continue to lose weight if I add back foods in reintroduction that work well with my body? I was thinking about this for post Whole60. Thanks for any thoughts on this!

I think it depends on what you reintroduce, and what you mean by 'work well with my body'. :-)  My experience has been yes, but WAYYYYYYY slower. I think the only thing I reintroduced the first four weeks was trace sugar, and that preservative in Costco chicken.  After that month, my weight lose was only about 4 lbs.

At the beginning of November I added back rice, and I had no problems but I did feel slightly bloated. Not bad enough to give it up completely. I then cut it back out for the last two weeks, and have been back to only adding back trace sugar. I weighted this morning and I'm down 3 lbs in those two weeks.  Also, I've been working out more too, so I'm sure I'm also gaining muscle.

At the end of the day....it's still just a number and I'm more focused on how I look and feel.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Sailor Sam on November 16, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
First day. Let me describe to you how Everything Sucks.

I wasn't hungry for breakfast, which is unsurprising considering how badly I've been over consuming calories. Brought tea to work, instead of buying coffee at the mess. Didn't want the hassle, or the temptation.

Had a nice salad with bacon dressing for lunch.

Super sleepy because of no coffee.

PT'd with an underling after lunch. It's cold and windy in Seattle today, and I didn't bring enough clothes to be exercising outside. I hated every second, and complained lustily. The underling thought it was pretty funny, and handily kicked my ass on all exercises. Ever had your ass handed to you by a relentlessly cheerful and blond woman? It's weird, because you want it to stop, but you want it to go on.

Had some almonds when I got home. Took a shower (still cold), put on many layers of clothes, and hid under the covers. Inevitable nap occurred. Woke up with a no-coffee headache.

Had salmon salad over greens for dinner. Made my tummy feel a little funny. Probably added too much mayonnaise. But my stomach will have to endure cooking more bacon for tomorrow's salad.

It's 64 degrees inside my dwelling, I'm cold but too stubborn to turn the heat on. My wife is off flying, so I can't call her and whine. My head hurts. Tomorrow starts a 3-day work conference with people I don't like. Everything Sucks.

Todays whine has been brought to you by the letter 'F', and the word 'everything.'

Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 16, 2015, 09:15:47 PM
... handily kicked my ass on all exercises. Ever had your ass handed to you by a relentlessly cheerful and blond woman? It's weird, because you want it to stop, but you want it to go on.

I think that about Ronda Rousey all the time. Best handball game I ever played, the short, athletic brunette kicked my ass. I still remember it fondly.

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It's 64 degrees inside my dwelling, I'm cold but too stubborn to turn the heat on. My wife is off flying, so I can't call her and whine. My head hurts. Tomorrow starts a 3-day work conference with people I don't like. Everything Sucks.

Your wife flies? Not EVERYTHING sucks, buddy!

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Todays whine has been brought to you by the letter 'F', and the word 'everything.'
Noted. Continue your Badassity, soldier.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 16, 2015, 09:38:26 PM
Sorry for your woes on Day1, Sailor Sam. I'm sure it wasn't hilarious to live but gave me a giggle imagining it. Somebody earlier in the thread said "whole30 or give up coffee not both"- maybe they had a point. With my unique living in the future postcode, I predict rainbow pooping unicorns for you before the week is out. Hang in there...
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Post by: 1967mama on November 17, 2015, 12:24:15 AM
But you made it through day 1 Sailor Sam -- and your food choices were great! I'm 2 hours North of you and the weather sucked here today too. No exercise for me :-( I shouldn't let the weather stop me but I'm a bit of a wimp still.

I went to Costco tonight for almond butter and spent $500:-/  I actually bought 3 almond butters after my debacle with Maranatha a few days ago. I did make a lot of healthier choices for my family for the first time. Healthier granola bars, no sugar mango juice, no sugar applesauce cups, fruit squeeze things (also no sugar) with chia & bypassed the entire chip section (unheard of!). I think my teens will moan and groan a little with junk food not entering the panty but the little kids were excited by the fruit squeeze things. Not exactly Mustachian but a step in the right direction for our health.

Hubs continues to marvel at his new healthy wife :-) which is great for my ego and boosts my Tiger Blood factor by 1000. No stopping me now!


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Post by: Liz on November 17, 2015, 08:16:14 AM
swick -- Please post some of your food choices during the next ketoish/Whole30ish;) month! I bought a package of raspberries after about three weeks of strict no fruit. They taste sweet now, when before I could only taste the tanginess.

mom22boys - Totally agree with your post! I call my way of eating right now "Whole30ish," but it's not Whole30 anymore. And that's okay, I did my strict 30 days, which is helping me carve out my own path and what works best for me!  I know it's not all about the weight loss, but I wanted to share that between a month of Whole30 and a month of keto, I've lost about 10 pounds. I'm only 5'2, so every pound on me feels like a big difference! That's a 10 pound dumbbell I've been carrying around on me.
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Post by: horsepoor on November 17, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
But you made it through day 1 Sailor Sam -- and your food choices were great! I'm 2 hours North of you and the weather sucked here today too. No exercise for me :-( I shouldn't let the weather stop me but I'm a bit of a wimp still.

I went to Costco tonight for almond butter and spent $500:-/  I actually bought 3 almond butters after my debacle with Maranatha a few days ago. I did make a lot of healthier choices for my family for the first time. Healthier granola bars, no sugar mango juice, no sugar applesauce cups, fruit squeeze things (also no sugar) with chia & bypassed the entire chip section (unheard of!). I think my teens will moan and groan a little with junk food not entering the panty but the little kids were excited by the fruit squeeze things. Not exactly Mustachian but a step in the right direction for our health.

Hubs continues to marvel at his new healthy wife :-) which is great for my ego and boosts my Tiger Blood factor by 1000. No stopping me now!

Whoah, I bet that is expensive with your crew.  :)  FWIW, I found when I started eating healthier that I was able to bring my costs down over time and now it seems easier to scratch make lots of things and I don't really spend much, if any more than when I was eating packaged junk.  Eventually you figure out what the true staples are, and the best place to purchase them.  Next step is challenging those kids to create their own treats!

+1 on coconut oil whirled into coffee.  I was also doing the butter thing for a few months, but now I'm doing exclusively coconut oil and think I might stick with it after W30 because it's cheaper and I like it just as well.  Maybe someday I'll grow up and drink my coffee black.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 17, 2015, 11:01:10 AM
Good on you guys for sticking to the healthy eating and exercise during bad weather. We are moving into summer so I feel like my choices are getting easier but you'd be finding the opposite.  Double badass points for weight loss in winter. Great weight loss, Liz. I know I should try keto as my sweet tooth is still alive and I still occasionally eat for reasons other than hunger -and it's always fruit. I feel like a whining three year old but it's still a 'treat' I feel I need. Which of course is utter crap and I just need to grow up and find other ways to deal with things. I think this rather than weight loss needs to be my focus for this whole30. Ok, today's challenge - no fruit for me. Yay, 1967mama, you are doing so great. Envious of your supportive hubby. Our grocery bills have been shocking but like Swick, I will get them down over time. Have a great day everyone.  Ks
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
swick -- Please post some of your food choices during the next ketoish/Whole30ish;) month! I bought a package of raspberries after about three weeks of strict no fruit. They taste sweet now, when before I could only taste the tanginess.

Throughout all my time on the whole 30 and following whole 30-ish I have started the morning with some coconut oil and coconut milk buzzed tea.

Breakfast yesterday was a couple of slices of turkey bacon and a whole avocado made up into guac.  I wasn't that hungry so skipped lunch and had a few pistachios while I was making dinner. Dinner was a Thai coconut milk/oil curry with onions and loads of spinach served over roasted cauliflower.

This time around is going to be much harder since our weekly veggie crop is done for the year and the produce in stores right now leaves a lot to be desired. I'm very envious of those in the Southern Hemisphere! Going to be making some more soups and kimchi....yikes computer is forcing a restart...to be continued!
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
...and we're back!

My sister called last night and has decided to join my mom and I for this round! This is awesome, she usually eats really well and honey in her morning lemon water and homemade sourdough are her only vices - She is pretty confident she'll be fine and the important thing is she lives next door to my mom so can be that support/accountability. 

I have two company Christmas Parties on top of all the family stuff, so it should be a good challenge for me!

How is everyone else doing? What are ya'll eating?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 17, 2015, 01:40:58 PM
I sent my sister a photo of my sample Whole30 breakfast of 3 eggs and a ton of fried up veggies and she sent me back a photo of her sample lunch:
https://thebrendans.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/roldgold.gif
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
erp! I would take your eggs and veg any day! Although I made the mistake of walking past a display of fresh pretzel buns in the store and  found myself standing there breathing in as deeply as I could for ao good five minutes. I do miss soft pretzels.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 17, 2015, 02:00:39 PM
Leftover pure pork sausages and homemade tomato ragu with a million vege hidden in it for me for breakfast.  So far from the cereal addict. With no fruit or serious carbs I can now taste the metal so hopefully burning some fat in ketosis today. Unfortunately I have a lot of tempting fruit in the bowl and my berry bushes have green ones on them so I won't be fruit free forever, but even a couple of fruit days a week would be an improvement. Looking forward to steak and a huge salad for lunch.
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
Leftover pure pork sausages and homemade tomato ragu with a million vege hidden in it for me for breakfast.  So far from the cereal addict. With no fruit or serious carbs I can now taste the metal so hopefully burning some fat in ketosis today. Unfortunately I have a lot of tempting fruit in the bowl and my berry bushes have green ones on them so I won't be fruit free forever, but even a couple of fruit days a week would be an improvement. Looking forward to steak and a huge salad for lunch.

Sounds delish! I had some egg drop soup using a soup mix my mom makes with dehydrated veggies from her garden and a couple of pieces of turkey bacon for breakfast.

For dinner, I am planning on making some pork and spinach meatballs in a tomato sauce (using roasted tomatoes from my garden) over some zoodles with a pan of roasted brussel sprouts.
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Post by: 1967mama on November 17, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
I've got a nice big whole chicken roasting in the crockpot this afternoon. Will bake up some sweet potatoes for the side and maybe a salad.

Quiet day inside. Quite stormy and windy/rainy here again. Lots of homes have lost power but ours is still good.

Wearing a new outfit today. I feel pretty:-)
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Post by: Faraday on November 17, 2015, 06:20:59 PM
I've got a nice big whole chicken roasting in the crockpot this afternoon. Will bake up some sweet potatoes for the side and maybe a salad.
Quiet day inside. Quite stormy and windy/rainy here again. Lots of homes have lost power but ours is still good.
Wearing a new outfit today. I feel pretty:-)

Dang, talk that sexy talk '67! it don't get no better than that!

I'll raise yer chicken with pork chops, broccoli and herb tea for dinner here, while confessing I do covet your sweet potatoes.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on November 17, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
Hey Ho, everybody. Happier day today, though I've been battling a low grade headache since mid-morning. I'm prone to headaches, and I have to regulate my caffeine intake really closely. Ingesting some caffeine curtails chronic headaches, but any changes in the amount triggers...headaches. Switching to tea on Monday was a terrible idea, as was drinking 3 cups of coffee today. Too bad I love the stuff so much.

Homemade full-fat chicken broth for breakfast. Hard boiled eggs, bacon crumbles, and artichoke hearts over salad greens for lunch. I'm not quite sure what dinner will be, but there's a steak defrosting on the counter. Steak and peas, maybe?

Biggest lesson so far on this round is how quickly my cravings for junk food switched off. I'm not even in ketosis, and my desire for junk is simply missing. Today I spent 9 hours in a room with muffins, cookies, AND bagels. I noticed them walking by, but I felt no pull. Very empowering feeling. I guess KS's vision of my unicorn future was right! 
 
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Post by: Orvell on November 17, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
Sooooo I'm not doing the Whole30 plan. But I am cutting out sugar and reducing breads/rices while upping my veggie intake.
>__>
Can I hang out? :)

Today for dinner I made two eggs cooked in coconut oil, with a nice big heap of roasted veggies that will make my tomorrow's lunch (potatoes, onions, carrots, zucchini, and brussel sprouts).
Yum!
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 06:59:46 PM
Sooooo I'm not doing the Whole30 plan. But I am cutting out sugar and reducing breads/rices while upping my veggie intake.
>__>
Can I hang out? :)

Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
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Post by: Orvell on November 17, 2015, 07:03:22 PM
Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
Thank you thank you!
And feel free to call me Oro; it's my nickname around the web. :)
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Post by: Faraday on November 17, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
Thank you thank you!
And feel free to call me Oro; it's my nickname around the web. :)

Just as long is we don't have to add the Evil "e", Oro!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 17, 2015, 08:13:01 PM
Welcome Oro, nice to have you join us. Glad you are feeling pretty, 1967mama! And SS, glad you aren't getting the cravings. I think when it isn't your first time your body gets back into the swing faster (like getting fit again va starting from scratch). Aww, poor me (cue violins...) I'm missing my fruit. No post savoury sweet treat, no food crutch, just nourishing non-psychological food. Had a handful of snow peas and a bit of capsicum. Diverting but unsatisfying. Will start on early dinner rather than snacking. Roast pumpkin, cauliflower and chicken breast smothered in homemade pesto. Should be yum. But then the evening will stretch out before me. Will get into the attic for a bit of decluttering as this should keep me away from the kitchen.
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Post by: Orvell on November 17, 2015, 08:28:09 PM
Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
Thank you thank you!
And feel free to call me Oro; it's my nickname around the web. :)

Just as long is we don't have to add the Evil "e", Oro!
*Snorts*
Not to worry. I don't have a creamy center. ;)
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Post by: swick on November 17, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
Thank you thank you!
And feel free to call me Oro; it's my nickname around the web. :)

Just as long is we don't have to add the Evil "e", Oro!
*Snorts*
Not to worry. I don't have a creamy center. ;)
Welcome, Orvell! Your dinner sounds awesome!
Thank you thank you!
And feel free to call me Oro; it's my nickname around the web. :)

Just as long is we don't have to add the Evil "e", Oro!
*Snorts*
Not to worry. I don't have a creamy center. ;)

Must-resist-urge-to-comment! *off to wash my mind out with some soap* ;)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 17, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
Must-resist-urge-to-comment! *off to wash my mind out with some soap* ;)

Use "Dove" brand soap. It's very creamy.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Orvell on November 18, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
Must-resist-urge-to-comment! *off to wash my mind out with some soap* ;)

Use "Dove" brand soap. It's very creamy.
*cackles*
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 18, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
Welcome Oro, glad you're here!

Last night I dreamed that I was at a social function and ate a hotdog (on a bun) and drank a bunch of beer.  Woke up feeling upset with myself for about 10 minutes until I realized it was a dream and I'm still on track.  Anyone else have related food dreams?

Last night we had a lovely beef heel roast cooked in the Instant Pot with celery root, carrots, onions and celery.  This morning was mixed (raw, unsalted) nuts, coffee with coconut oil, a couple homemade sausage patties and a banana.  Didn't pack a lunch so it will be an avocado and can of herring or sardines I keep stashed in my office.
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Post by: Orvell on November 18, 2015, 11:25:18 AM
Didn't pack a lunch so it will be an avocado and can of herring or sardines I keep stashed in my office.
Dear god, I'm not the only one!
o__o I love kipper snacks and avocado together. I've never met anyone who agrees!
Edit: Any leads on how to get kipper snacks on the cheap? They are annoyingly pricy. :(
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 18, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Ok, Day 4 has dawned here for me and I survived a whole day without fruit. It wasn't lots of fun but was good for me as I need to stop using food as treats. Food is nutrition and energy and you either need it or you don't.  If I can master this I will be as thin as a 'matchstick with the wood scraped off' as my old grandad would say. Avoiding the kitchen led to enormous productivity in the attic and more than a car loads worth of stuff to donate. I reject using my home as a storage unit in the way I reject using my body as a way to store suppressed emotions (as fat). I'm feeling better already. Have a great day. Ks
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Post by: swick on November 18, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Ok, Day 4 has dawned here for me and I survived a whole day without fruit. It wasn't lots of fun but was good for me as I need to stop using food as treats. Food is nutrition and energy and you either need it or you don't.  If I can master this I will be as thin as a 'matchstick with the wood scraped off' as my old grandad would say. Avoiding the kitchen led to enormous productivity in the attic and more than a car loads worth of stuff to donate. I reject using my home as a storage unit in the way I reject using my body as a way to store suppressed emotions (as fat). I'm feeling better already. Have a great day. Ks

Way to go! KiwiSonya! That is an awesome way of looking at things, and I love how it has translated to your home and other areas of your life!

The no fruit thing has been going okay for me. I've been drinking whenever I feel the urge to snack. As winter is settling in that is a lot of hot water with lemon, herbal teas, my coconut oil tea in the morning. I've made an infusion from raspberry leaf, nettle and holy basil which I have been cutting with hot water. Figure this is a good way to get more of those nutrients that I haven't been getting due to the lack of fresh organic veggies.

Foodwise - Hubs has been getting a portion of sweet potato or regular potato a day.  Haven't bought any more bananas.  But - it's a PITA trying to figure out what to make that isn't eggs and isn't relying on starch for him. - especially when we have to get up so early to get him ready for work.

I now know what you guys have been talking about with the "metallic taste" from Keto. I never really noticed it super pronounced and shrugged it off before, but last night it was full on - actually to me it tastes like the aftertaste of drinking coke - Super YUCK!

HOW IS EVERYONE DOING TODAY?

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Post by: horsepoor on November 18, 2015, 11:56:49 AM
Didn't pack a lunch so it will be an avocado and can of herring or sardines I keep stashed in my office.
Dear god, I'm not the only one!
o__o I love kipper snacks and avocado together. I've never met anyone who agrees!
Edit: Any leads on how to get kipper snacks on the cheap? They are annoyingly pricy. :(

Unfortunately, not really.  I just load up whenever I stumble upon a sale.  I really prefer the Crown Prince low sodium or black pepper kippers.  I was lucky enough to find a bunch of the pepper ones on clearance at Rosauer's a few months ago, and a couple times per year Natural Grocer has the low sodium ones on sale for ~$2/can.  Wally World does have a better price on the regular CP kippers, but they tasted way saltier and more fishy to me, and they have 16% of daily sodium vs. 3% in the peppered ones.

Actually ended up going for a can of smoked oysters with red chile pepper that was hiding in the back of the drawer.  They were really good; need to get some more of those.

ETA:  Costco has a pretty good deal on canned sardines as an alternate.  I think they're packed in olive oil and filleted if you're averse to crunching on tiny bones.
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Post by: Orvell on November 18, 2015, 12:38:30 PM
Didn't pack a lunch so it will be an avocado and can of herring or sardines I keep stashed in my office.
Dear god, I'm not the only one!
o__o I love kipper snacks and avocado together. I've never met anyone who agrees!
Edit: Any leads on how to get kipper snacks on the cheap? They are annoyingly pricy. :(

Unfortunately, not really.  I just load up whenever I stumble upon a sale.  I really prefer the Crown Prince low sodium or black pepper kippers.  I was lucky enough to find a bunch of the pepper ones on clearance at Rosauer's a few months ago, and a couple times per year Natural Grocer has the low sodium ones on sale for ~$2/can.  Wally World does have a better price on the regular CP kippers, but they tasted way saltier and more fishy to me, and they have 16% of daily sodium vs. 3% in the peppered ones.

Actually ended up going for a can of smoked oysters with red chile pepper that was hiding in the back of the drawer.  They were really good; need to get some more of those.

ETA:  Costco has a pretty good deal on canned sardines as an alternate.  I think they're packed in olive oil and filleted if you're averse to crunching on tiny bones.
Great intel, thank you!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 18, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
Feeling lousy today. Way too little sleep. Feel like a miserable grump. That is all.
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Post by: Faraday on November 18, 2015, 02:18:11 PM
Didn't pack a lunch so it will be an avocado and can of herring or sardines I keep stashed in my office.
Dear god, I'm not the only one!
o__o I love kipper snacks and avocado together. I've never met anyone who agrees!
Edit: Any leads on how to get kipper snacks on the cheap? They are annoyingly pricy. :(

Oh Or(e)o, you silly goose! :-) :-) :-)

Kippered snacks and avocado are Keto go-to foods! I have avocado with almost anything - that plus them little fishies can turn a ho-hum salad into a SALAD-O-RAMA!

I've used avocado before where I might use mayo and I have avocado with various meats all the time. it is to-die-for to have with smoked pork or turkey. I'm gonna be up to my armpits in avocados over thanksgiving with a stupid grin on my face.

Come to think of it, I've never had avocado with smoked pork ribs. Hmmm......
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Post by: mom22boys on November 18, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
Feeling lousy today. Way too little sleep. Feel like a miserable grump. That is all.

Me too!  Finally picked up my first cold, and feel yucky!  Need. More. Sleep.  I managed to get a yummy roast into the crockpot, with some potatoes. All compliant except for the trace sugar in the little bit of tomato sauce added. I can kinda smell, and I THINK it smells good. :-)  We'll see what the kids say.

Welcome Oro!  We look forward to hearing some good food ideas.  :-) 

Kiwi - I may have to join you with cutting back on the fruit.  Well actually, it would only be the apples with almond butter specifically that I need to cut back on. I've found that this is my new SWYPO food.  While it's not bad, I don't want to get into a bad habit and use that as a replacement for chocolate.

On a side note....my son won some doughnuts at a cake walk at school. Yesterday when I smelled it while moving it into a baggie, the sugar was overwhelming and not in a good way. I'm finally more confident that I can get over my sugar dragon.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 18, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
Sorry you guys are under the weather.  Good eating feels like more effort when you're sick but just think how much faster you'll get better.  Trying not to rub in my current geographic advantage but we're off to the beach. Terrible parent that I am I'm going to sneak my eldest out of school an hour early and go play in the sand. On the first decent summery day I think, fuck it, why not! Will buy them icecream but will for the first time not have one myself. First person noticed I'd lost weight today so on Cloud 9.
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Post by: 1967mama on November 18, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
Mom22-hope you are feeling better soon. I laid down but didn't sleep around 5pm and have just now had a nice hot bath after dinner. Early to bed for this cat!

Welcome Oro!

Kiwi- I'm soooo excited for
You that someone noticed your weight loss! I can't wait for that day. Last night, one gal told me I looked nice and another told me I smelled good so we are getting close! Hahah!

I went for a bike ride with my husband and kids this afternoon. First time since my 2 surgeries in 8 months. They walked , I rode. Helped lift my mood a titch. Also: tea! Day 39 of whole60.

Edit: typo
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Post by: Faraday on November 18, 2015, 10:36:03 PM
Listen real quiet!
(whispers....) What is that? Hear it? Listen real careful....
It's all the pumpkins in the world, quietly sobbing.
They are wishing they could taste as good as butternut squash with butter and cinnamon!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 18, 2015, 11:20:15 PM
Faraday - I am totally making that butternut squash tomorrow to go with something I'm going to think of to make with ground beef:-)

Lying in my bed now, thinking of a better day tomorrow. Boy, does poor sleep ever mess me up. I wonder if I'm feeling better (most days) because I'm sleeping better? Could lack of sleep (due to poor diet) have also been contributing to brain fog and other yucky feelings I had about myself???

My daughter is rocking her Whole30'ish plan, and starting tomorrow, she is doing a full blown Whole30. Today at work, she knew they were bringing pie in for her birthday and planned for it by starting tomorrow. One heavy gal asked if she was finally eating "what normal people eat" ... grrrr! I told her next time to say, I AM eating what normal people eat ... real food! Not boxed and chemically altered, processed food! How frustrating for her. She doesn't bend to their whims, and is quite resolute in her convictions -- totally slimming down, feeling great, etc. At last check, she'd lost 20 pounds. She probably only had 30 to lose.

I have been realllllly hungry for 2 days now. Someone commented upthread about going from full to famished in a very short amount of time .. that's been me. What gives?



Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 18, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Faraday - I am totally making that butternut squash tomorrow to go with something I'm going to think of to make with ground beef:-)

I imagined a vision in which you quickly jumped up, (startling DH as he reads the paper) going to the freezer and putting the ground beef in the fridge to thaw.

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One heavy gal asked if she was finally eating "what normal people eat" ... grrrr!

MY quick responses for that (and I've used these before) are:

1) How would you know what normal people eat?
2) You mean bullshit manufactured food?
3) No thanks, I'll pass on the diabetes.
4) Next time I'll bring a whole pack of Oreos just for you.

I have others I won't say here that are so bad...so, so bad, that I can customize to fit the person. If you get the impression that my anger waits to spring from hiding, about food, you would be correct.  After almost 2 years, no one at work dares comment on what I eat. It makes me very happy to strike fear into the hearts of food fools.

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I have been realllllly hungry for 2 days now. Someone commented upthread about going from full to famished in a very short amount of time .. that's been me. What gives?

My personal theory is that it's your body's response to winter coming on and it's what I believe food vendors take advantage of to get you to buy their crap.  I'll bet you are craving hot foods, too.

My go-to's to counter this are:

1) Hydration. Make lemon water if you have to. Get fancy with the water if it makes it more palatable. Hell, Perrier if it helps.
2) The butternut squash. BTW: it's freakin' expensive. However, it damn well works to end that hunger feeling.
3) Steak (or beef of your choice) dipped in garlic butter. Are we still using only CLARIFIED butter for that?
4) THE KETO PIZZA from ruled.me, but the salami or pepperoni isn't Whole30 compliant. So modify as you see fit.
5) Almost anything from the crock pot!

The crock pot is my secret weapon for needing warm-to-hot winter comfort food. The Whole30/Keto compliant stuff you can do with it is amazing. I'm thinking someday I'd like to try a head of cabbage, sliced up, in broth, soy or worchestershire and butter done in a crock pot.

BTW: You guys do sweet potatoes. Do they help with this hunger?

EDIT: I left off my most important weapon: EGGS!!! I can scramble up three duck eggs, add a little shredded cheese, and I'm good-to-go for hours on end.
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Post by: swick on November 19, 2015, 07:40:22 AM
I have been realllllly hungry for 2 days now. Someone commented upthread about going from full to famished in a very short amount of time .. that's been me. What gives?

That was hubs, we "solved" the problem by introducing more carbs. We don't want to go that route this time though - although I just checked in and it hasn't been happening this time around. I have been making sure we are starting the day with coconut oil buzzed tea which I think really helps keep everything even.

It's Hub's Friday, so thinking chicken wings would be a nice treat. We've eaten a lot of cabbage this week!

How is everyone doing?
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Post by: Orvell on November 19, 2015, 09:05:17 AM
So far today is great!

I thought ahead today, and avoided what normally would have set me salivating: free breakfast pastries.

This morning I went to a monthly networking shindig I attend on behalf of my company, and they always provide juice, mediocre fruit, and even more mediocre pastries. In the past, I stuffed my face. A major weakness of mine is free food. It's free!

But today I made a nice batch of oatmeal with a half scoop of protein powder and several generous splashes of unsweetened almond milk before I set off, and was not even tempted by what I knew from experience to be sub par baked goods (even FREE ones).

A+ to me!

I am, like 1967mama, very tired, though. :/ My lovely little kitten has recently decided 3AM is her get up time. We're working on it.
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Post by: Sailor Sam on November 19, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
That's great Oro. And welcome aboard. This is a pretty good group.

Faraday, I made your cabbage concoction a few days ago. One small head of red cabbage, some broth, some bullion for a meaty taste, and a tablespoon of tomato paste to encourage sweetness. It turned out very tasty. I highly recommend it.
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Post by: horsepoor on November 19, 2015, 09:13:00 AM

The crock pot is my secret weapon for needing warm-to-hot winter comfort food. The Whole30/Keto compliant stuff you can do with it is amazing. I'm thinking someday I'd like to try a head of cabbage, sliced up, in broth, soy or worchestershire and butter done in a crock pot.


Brilliant!  I love doing a braised red cabbage, but haven't thought to do it in the crock pot for some reason.  Bacon and apple cider vinegar, maybe some fennel and coriander seeds and red chile flakes.  Yum!

I also love to simply cut a head of cabbage into wedges, drape each wedge with bacon, grind some pepper, wrap in tinfoil and bake.  Such and awesome, easy side dish.
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Post by: swick on November 19, 2015, 09:54:30 AM
Yummy! I am loving all these cabbage side dishes! I confess, I'm lazy! Head of cabbage chopped up and thrown in a wok with either some Asian flavored ground meat, or plain with a little broth, coconut aminos and topped with crispy shredded pork. Oddly, I'm not bored of this yet :D

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Post by: Faraday on November 19, 2015, 11:11:18 AM
That's great Oro. And welcome aboard. This is a pretty good group.

Same here Oro, welcome! This might be my most favorite thread on the forums. Everyone contributes and everyone is pretty sharp!

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Faraday, I made your cabbage concoction a few days ago. One small head of red cabbage, some broth, some bullion for a meaty taste, and a tablespoon of tomato paste to encourage sweetness. It turned out very tasty. I highly recommend it.

EXCELLENT! You beat me to it SSam - I am gonna give it a try this weekend. The idea for it came from the crockpot turkey breast DW made two nights ago - it was UNBELIEVEABLE good. That's when I did the "pumpkin whimpers" posting - I was swooning over the butternut squash.
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Post by: Liz on November 19, 2015, 11:27:32 AM
It sounds like everyone has had a great week so far! And welcome Oro! Speaking of cabbage, I just bought some Bubbie's sauerkraut and pickles. I should make my own, but these will do for now. Another plus is that they have a lot of probiotics in them -- so no need to get an expensive supplement {which is what I was looking at}.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 19, 2015, 11:45:34 AM
Hi all, I love the recipes for butternut and cabbage. Will be trying the cabbage out tonight.  Am also going to give sauerkraut making a whirl this weekend as it is doesn't sound hard. My favorite butternut recipe is soup made with sweated onions and garlic and chicken broth. Top with crispy fried bacon lardons and fried sage leaves and lots of black pepper. Yum.
Small victories for me yesterday, beach visit without ice cream,  no sweat. Followed by baking chocolate chip cookies for the school fair tand not even licking the spoon. Didn't even want it. Aroma was actually sickly sweet to my nose. Who is this person I have become? Gale force winds here today so I'm glad we took the boys to the beach yesterday.  This spring has been 4 seasons in one day. But there is a competition for walking to school so that's what the kids want to do rain or shine, which is fine by me. Have a great day everyone.
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Post by: mom22boys on November 19, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
Braised cabbage has been an unexpected, delicious discovery with Whole30. Someone had mentioned the recipe from NomNomPaleo, and that's what I've been making. In fact I made it on Monday for eating this whole week. 

Horsepoor - so need to make it with BACON on it!  Oh man, that would be amazing!  When you make it in the tinfoil, do you add any liquid?  Bake for about 2 hours still?  I supposed I could just make it in a 9x13 dish like normal.

I also made a breakfast pumpkin custard, from the Pinterest page someone posted a while back (Horsepoor again?).  My first time I ate it, I thought it was so so.  My boys didn't like it at all, not sweet enough!  But, as I ate it over the week, I grew to like it more and more. I might have to make it for Thanksgiving. It's a good substitute for pumpkin pie.

Didn't even want it. Aroma was actually sickly sweet to my nose. Who is this person I have become? 

Yes! This is exactly how I feel when I smell too much sugar!  I think I like who we are becoming. :-)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 19, 2015, 02:19:53 PM
Braised cabbage has been an unexpected, delicious discovery with Whole30. Someone had mentioned the recipe from NomNomPaleo, and that's what I've been making. In fact I made it on Monday for eating this whole week. 

Horsepoor - so need to make it with BACON on it!  Oh man, that would be amazing!  When you make it in the tinfoil, do you add any liquid?  Bake for about 2 hours still?  I supposed I could just make it in a 9x13 dish like normal.

I also made a breakfast pumpkin custard, from the Pinterest page someone posted a while back (Horsepoor again?).  My first time I ate it, I thought it was so so.  My boys didn't like it at all, not sweet enough!  But, as I ate it over the week, I grew to like it more and more. I might have to make it for Thanksgiving. It's a good substitute for pumpkin pie.

Didn't even want it. Aroma was actually sickly sweet to my nose. Who is this person I have become? 

Yes! This is exactly how I feel when I smell too much sugar!  I think I like who we are becoming. :-)

Nope, no liquid.  It will brown a little on the edges which is the best part (aside from the bacon of course) but there's enough moisture in the cabbage to steam it.  More like 45 minutes to an hour depending on the size of the wedges, but honestly I just cook it for as long as whatever else I'm making because it's good overdone or a little al dente.

Glad you like the custard.  I haven't tried it with pumpkin since I have loads of sweet potato needing to be used, but it will definitely be in regular rotation.  I wonder if some added gelatin would make it even more pie-like?  Or baked with an egg?  Maybe that's getting too close to paleo baking.  IDK.

I tried a 6K run yesterday.  Slogged through but was not feeling zippy by any measure.  Will try again this weekend.  Will hit the gym tonight.

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Post by: 1967mama on November 19, 2015, 08:51:35 PM
Tonight for dinner we had this (http://nomnompaleo.com/post/1356598429/worlds-best-braised-green-cabbage) cabbage dish and this (http://www.stayfitmom.com/easy-paleo-homestyle-meatloaf/) meatloaf and Faraday's cinnamon butternut squash. What a great meal! Kids thought it was meh :-/ but they're just not used to my new and fancy dishes. Everyone ate it, just slowwwwly! hahahha! I have lots of leftovers, apparently all for me, so I will eat like royalty this week!

The only fruit I've had so far today is an apple with almond butter and its almost 8pm. Very surprised that I could do this. Waiting for my cinnamon apple chamomile tea to finish steeping and hoping that will be a reasonable facsimile for dessert/sweets :-)

I had a super stressful morning medical specialist appointment with one of my young son's and we hit up McDonald's after -- the only thing I could find that was compliant was a cup of water and a garden salad, which I had without dressing and had to eat with my fingers to shake off the grated cheese .. hahaha! Wow, that's a big change for me! Thankfully, I slept like the dead last night and was much more myself today (well, my new self). I would have had a much, much more difficult day had I not been eating well.

Off to get my tea! Hope everyone had a good day!

ETA: Small orange and a few cashews at 10pm ... darn
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 20, 2015, 12:12:23 AM
1967mama, you gave me a good chuckle imagining you sorting through salad to pick out the cheese.
I umm, have a confession to make. I did something a bit odd today. I decided at 11am after a trip to the supermarket to stock up with compliant and family (ie non compliant food) to give myself the day off healthy food and eat whatever I wanted. I'd like to say I had one unhealthy thing, felt yuck and swore off it forever but I would be lying. I ate peanut butter sandwich on fluffy white bakery bread, cornflakes with raisins and milk (at lunch!), a choc chip cookie that I baked yesterday, a homemade smoothie and later my compliant dinner chased by a slice of gooey passionfruit slice at my local cafe. What a bender! 8pm and I feel bloated and gross. It was interesting to observe that nothing tasted as good as I imagined it would - I tried to eat slow and savour but it was all meh, nothing special.  I'm back to Day1 tomorrow and actually looking forward to healthy meals until Xmas. Trying not to be all guilty and judgmental on myself, will just live with the swerve off plan and get back on the horse. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on November 20, 2015, 01:30:54 AM
It was interesting to observe that nothing tasted as good as I imagined it would - I tried to eat slow and savour but it was all meh, nothing special. 

Kiwi, This is exactly what happened to me on my 1 day off between Whole 30's. I had oatmeal for breakfast and 1 fancy Godiva chocolate in the evening. The oatmeal was pleasant for me, but I was sure the chocolate would be over-the-top fantastic and it didn't even taste that good. Its so encouraging to think that we've lost our appetite for crap forever!
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Post by: swick on November 20, 2015, 07:21:06 AM
KiwiSonya - Definitely don't feel bad or beat yourself up about it! We all have to go through those days to reinforce why we are doing this and how we feel when we are eating in a way that is best for our bodies!

Also - Remember - and I think this is important for all of us - to Acknowledge and Celebrate how far we have all come. Some of us are in our first whole 30, some of us have been at it (in some form or another) for a couple of months - but that's it. Look at how far we have all come in such a short amount of time. How life-changing our habits and outlooks are compared to when we started.

Remember When you first started you were on vacation with your family and how much of a struggle it was, how the food (and expectations) had a hold on you? Look at how much has changed in your life! You are rocking it and making huge changes for you and your family!

That's my pep talk for the day :)

I think yesterday was hard for quite a few of us! I resisted the urge to run to the store and grab a pint of ice cream. However, I did have the foresight that the day was going to be crappy for hubs and I and pulled out some chicken wings from the freezer. That was our dinner in it's entirety.  Before, I would have felt super guilty about it...Now I figured, meh it's on plan! Just need to up my veggie intake today :)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Orvell on November 20, 2015, 07:49:34 AM
I'm not doing the Whole30 whole hog (see what I did there? :P) but you guys are great! Thanks for the warm welcome. :)

Last night I made a veggie frittata: 3 eggs, spinach, sweet potatoes, carrots, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, and cabbage. The leftovers will be my lunch today and part of a fry up this weekend. Yum!
Desert was canned pumpkin + oats + protein powder + an egg cooked in a mug in the microwave. Mug cake that is veggie based and flour AND sugar free??? Who knew!
Both were a hit with the girlfriend too.

It's funny, but with just a little willpower (and more fiber...) it's a lot easier to resist the urge to snack between meals. o_O; In the past I would definitely have had a 'mid dinner' snack to fill the void between getting home at 5 and supper being ready at 6:30.

Breakfast this morning was cashews and decaff coffee (oops. Late start...)
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Faraday on November 20, 2015, 08:03:42 AM
.... What a bender! 8pm and I feel bloated and gross. It was interesting to observe that nothing tasted as good as I imagined it would - I tried to eat slow and savour but it was all meh, nothing special.  I'm back to Day1 tomorrow and actually looking forward to healthy meals until Xmas. Trying not to be all guilty and judgmental on myself, will just live with the swerve off plan and get back on the horse. Ks

Kiwi, This is exactly what happened to me on my 1 day off between Whole 30's ... I was sure the chocolate would be over-the-top fantastic and it didn't even taste that good. Its so encouraging to think that we've lost our appetite for crap forever!

These comments are splendid, spectacular news! "WTF is Faraday babbling about now?!?!?" :-) Your "cheats" SHOULD change into something different than they were before, and they HAVE!!! That's awesome!

If I cheated and were to overdo it - even to a mere fraction of what I used to do - I get sick and feel bad for hours or even days and I crave to go back to what works and feels good.  I think about the keto foods I'd rather have had and that I just displaced them in my food for the day and it makes me sorry - not guilty - sorry - that I passed up the opportunity to have something better.

Who was it - swick, I think, talking about weight loss being a side effect?!?! When you experience the desire to come back after a cheat, that means you've reached a deeper understanding in your body of what it needs and that you'd rather feed yourself foods that make you feel better. It's more immediate feedback from your body and it's GREAT!

Notice I'm not talking about guilt. I believe guilt is an incomplete response because it's missing the consciousness of what you could have done instead, what you would have preferred, instead. Guilt brings you down but doesn't reinforce the positive work you have already done.

Guilt steals your control, your power, your personal responsibility. Built-in to guilt is the idea that you are merely a subject, obeying a rule. This is not what we are. Even when we "cheat", we are still the same person who is the catalyst for change. We are still the prime mover, the owner of our bodies and the seeker of change. We are changing how we fuel our bodies to achieve enhanced performance, longevity and happiness.

Guilt is felt superficially, kinda around your head. Regret and a desire for what you have chosen, you can feel that a little more completely, it accompanies that "yuck" feeling in your entire body. It's a more life-changing, profound experience.

So: we do these experiments, we feel the emptiness and it reinforces us. It gives us new awareness of what works for ourselves and what doesn't. It makes us stronger and more committed to our choices and eating lifestyles!

Hack the Diet! Yay!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: Orvell on November 20, 2015, 08:34:37 AM
I used to be able to down entire boxes of chocolates, multiple candy bars, halves of entire cakes, entire packages of double-stuff OREOS (given enough milk).

Last year I ate an entire Walmart tub of frosted mini donuts and made myself actually sick. Binge eating pre-packaged cookies was a bi-weekly occurrence if I was a) feeling down b) feeling up c) feeling down that I wasn't feeling up (so you see, it was whenever. Reasons were excuses). I'm not fat, so for awhile I thought I could get away with this sort of behavior. (LOL. Fun fact: it still fucks you up and you still feel like shit.) I knew it was bad and unhealthy and gross, but I still did it. I'd watched Super Size Me and done a college course in bio that focused on diabetes. I wasn't uneducated about what this stuff does. And I still, a tiny bit, have that urge to just, eat 6 cookies and lay in the crumbs. XD I'm really hoping, like you guys, this will quell that completely. This is week 2 of sugar-free! Commitment is good!

This is not what we are. We are changing how we fuel our bodies for to enhance performance, longevity and happiness.

This is the best quote ever. :)
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Post by: swick on November 20, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
Thanks for sharing, Orvell and congrats on two weeks sugar-free! That is an AWESOME accomplishment!

And...Faraday...another awesome response my internet crush grows by the day <3 ;)
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Post by: Faraday on November 20, 2015, 09:10:06 AM
Thanks for sharing, Orvell and congrats on two weeks sugar-free! That is an AWESOME accomplishment!

And...Faraday...another awesome response my internet crush grows by the day <3 ;)

Back at you, Whole30 Goddess. <3

Wait...did I say that out loud?!?! :-) 
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 20, 2015, 11:03:58 AM
Thanks for the pep talks 1967mama, swick and faraday. Have woken hungry for my whole30 breakfast. It's true that I have come along way -eating crap since I left home 20 years ago and turning that around completely in 2 months. I do feel that I have control of my eating and emotions when it comes to food. And it is empowering to know that those foods that I used to run off the rails with have lost their pull. Faraday is right that I feel like I have a deeper understanding of what my body needs and wants and this will lead to a lifetime of better eating habits well beyond 30 days. Thanks again for the support,  love you guys. And Oro, hang with us and you'll get there in a surprisingly short time.
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Post by: mom22boys on November 20, 2015, 02:24:43 PM

These comments are splendid, spectacular news! "WTF is Faraday babbling about now?!?!?" :-) Your "cheats" SHOULD change into something different than they were before, and they HAVE!!! That's awesome!

If I cheated and were to overdo it - even to a mere fraction of what I used to do - I get sick and feel bad for hours or even days and I crave to go back to what works and feels good.  I think about the keto foods I'd rather have had and that I just displaced them in my food for the day and it makes me sorry - not guilty - sorry - that I passed up the opportunity to have something better.

Who was it - swick, I think, talking about weight loss being a side effect?!?! When you experience the desire to come back after a cheat, that means you've reached a deeper understanding in your body of what it needs and that you'd rather feed yourself foods that make you feel better. It's more immediate feedback from your body and it's GREAT!

Notice I'm not talking about guilt. I believe guilt is an incomplete response because it's missing the consciousness of what you could have done instead, what you would have preferred, instead. Guilt brings you down but doesn't reinforce the positive work you have already done.

Guilt steals your control, your power, your personal responsibility. Built-in to guilt is the idea that you are merely a subject, obeying a rule. This is not what we are. Even when we "cheat", we are still the same person who is the catalyst for change. We are still the prime mover, the owner of our bodies and the seeker of change. We are changing how we fuel our bodies to achieve enhanced performance, longevity and happiness.

Guilt is felt superficially, kinda around your head. Regret and a desire for what you have chosen, you can feel that a little more completely, it accompanies that "yuck" feeling in your entire body. It's a more life-changing, profound experience.

So: we do these experiments, we feel the emptiness and it reinforces us. It gives us new awareness of what works for ourselves and what doesn't. It makes us stronger and more committed to our choices and eating lifestyles!

Hack the Diet! Yay!

This!  I've grown so much in the last 2 1/2 months that my guilt about what I'm eating has really turned into life lessons. If I choose to eat something like cornbread (which I did two weeks ago), I didn't feel one bit guilty, but WOW did I ever pay for it with a gut that felt like it was going to explode.  And guess what!  That lesson is what helped me say NO to a piece of sourdough bread last night. My cold has been kicking me in the butt, and I just want comfort food. Last night when I warmed up this sourdough bread (only because I need to get it out of the pantry and my boys love it), I REALLY, REALLY wanted a piece. It smelled amazing, it was warm, and I could even visualize the melting butter on top. But sanity quickly returned when I thought about that cornbread. I said no, the boys what they wanted, and the rest went into the trash. WIN!


Last year I ate an entire Walmart tub of frosted mini donuts and made myself actually sick. Binge eating pre-packaged cookies was a bi-weekly occurrence if I was a) feeling down b) feeling up c) feeling down that I wasn't feeling up (so you see, it was whenever. Reasons were excuses). I'm not fat, so for awhile I thought I could get away with this sort of behavior. (LOL. Fun fact: it still fucks you up and you still feel like shit.) I knew it was bad and unhealthy and gross, but I still did it. I'd watched Super Size Me and done a college course in bio that focused on diabetes. I wasn't uneducated about what this stuff does. And I still, a tiny bit, have that urge to just, eat 6 cookies and lay in the crumbs. XD I'm really hoping, like you guys, this will quell that completely. This is week 2 of sugar-free! Commitment is good!


This was me too. I knew better, I am highly educated on what I should and shouldn't eat, but I had an "I don't care" attitude. I think a lot of that is because my cravings were so bad and I just made them worse by eating more crap.

Way to go on the two weeks w/o sugar!  That is a huge accomplishment, and it will only get easier with time.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 21, 2015, 01:44:43 AM

If I cheated and were to overdo it - even to a mere fraction of what I used to do - I get sick and feel bad for hours or even days...

ELI5 (Explain like I'm 5) -- Why is this so, Faraday?

I enjoyed your thoughts here; keep on babbling cuz it makes a lot of sense to me!

Day 42 of my Whole60 now complete. I have to remember to keep Lara bars in my purse. I've been stuck out without compliant food two days in a row.

I think I look pretty decent in my boots and slim jeans -- its been a long time since I've been able to say that. I've started wearing light makeup again (eyes and lips) after a 15 year hiatus. This all feels so good to me!



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Post by: Cranberries on November 21, 2015, 11:27:36 AM
For several years I have had an issue with hyperpigmentation. I have a shadow on my skin from a bruise I got in 2007, a dark splotch above my eyebrow from the one time I had my eyebrows threaded (two years ago), the outlines of band-aids from old cuts, and polka-dots on my arms from past year's mosquitoes. I also have two small burns on my wrist from an oven rack last week. The scab just came off one of them, and the healing skin is a normal new skin pink color!!!! This is huge.

Anyways, day before yesterday was day 30 of my second whole30.

Non scale victories: another 30 days of feeling excellent, and the above mentioned lack of hyper-pigmentation from recent injuries.
Scale victories: 4 1/2 lbs lost, putting me in the top end of the healthy BMI range. I still have somewhere between 12 and 27 lbs to lose, but I am down 30 lbs from my highest weight, and about 20 lbs from starting the whole 30 thing.

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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 21, 2015, 11:39:11 PM
Wow, Botanist, congratulations on finishing your second Whole30  and those amazing results!  I'm in a funny old place right now, I can't really decide what to do. Should I start again at Day1 after the bender or should I do some reintroduction tinkering? I feel better eating compliant but this time of the year is quite conflicted (except for you, Faraday :). Leaning towards getting back to Day1, will let you know how I go. Think I will go back and read the book and start from scratch again.
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Post by: Faraday on November 22, 2015, 12:14:44 AM
Wow, Botanist, congratulations on finishing your second Whole30  and those amazing results!  I'm in a funny old place right now, I can't really decide what to do. Should I start again at Day1 after the bender or should I do some reintroduction tinkering? I feel better eating compliant but this time of the year is quite conflicted (except for you, Faraday :). Leaning towards getting back to Day1, will let you know how I go. Think I will go back and read the book and start from scratch again.

Anger and Indignation are our weapons. Feel the power of the dark side! :-)

KS, it's no surprise to me you are having trouble. The enemy is lobbing junk food bombs at you from all sides. I can sense your guilt, your need to "ease" into this or "lean into it". Let me offer some thoughts:

1) YOU are not conflicted. You are immersed in messages to "buy, eat, enjoy". They do everything except SAY the word "binge". Don't internalize what's coming at you from all sides. What you feel is what YOU feel, not what they try to make you feel.

2) Start over but accept what happened as a necessary thing. Forgive yourself, discard the guilt and BURN what you ate through physical activity. EARN AND BURN, baby. Earn and burn.....

I get the conflict, same as you do KS. (How do you think I even THOUGHT UP "The Season Of Insanity"?) I feel it's tug, it's pull. I call on my own anger and indignance to recharge me and give me a way past it.

3) Are you logging what you eat? I use LoseIt, many use MyFitnessPal. Use something and log everything. Not because I'm telling you to police yourself - I'm telling you that you may not be sinning as much as you think, and logging will tell you that.

Here's to a big 'ol Monkey Bowl at ya, KS!
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 22, 2015, 08:41:46 AM

Way to go Botanist! It is super interesting to hear about the pigmentation issues and how they are clearing up - talk about an unexpected and awesome side effect!

Wow, Botanist, congratulations on finishing your second Whole30  and those amazing results!  I'm in a funny old place right now, I can't really decide what to do. Should I start again at Day1 after the bender or should I do some reintroduction tinkering? I feel better eating compliant but this time of the year is quite conflicted (except for you, Faraday :). Leaning towards getting back to Day1, will let you know how I go. Think I will go back and read the book and start from scratch again.

KiwiSonya - I might be miss-remembering, but did you do a reintro after your first whole 30?

I know the temptation to just keep going is super strong and many people do it. Just to give you the flip side - I am so so glad that I spent some time in reintro-mode. It makes getting back on the plan (or whatever your version of it ends up being) so much easier.

It gives you context to your decisions - and power. With the whole 30, there are a bunch of rules that, at times, seems arbitrary.  The initial appeal is "it is only for 30 days!"  but doing it longer without the re-intro it makes it much harder to stick with and be motivated if you don't have a "personal" reason for staying away from certain foods. It is the extra little bit of self-knowledge and understanding with your body that adds another level of determination and creates a new lense for how you interact with food. 

Especially if you discover problem foods. It is much, much easier for me to resist the sirens call of wheat/gluten when I know that I will be paying for it with a fibro flare-up that lats days. I'm not denying myself and resisting becuase a plan tells me I must, I am doing it because I know how it affects me and no moment of temporary pleasure is worth the consequences.

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Post by: 1967mama on November 22, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
KIwisonya--I get what you're saying about not being sure where to take this journey next. I'm in the same place. I'm half way through my second whole30 now and am also contemplating reintroduction.

Swick and Faraday--thanks for your thoughts. I always appreciate it when you take time to share from your wisdom and experience:-)

Today there was a lunch after church that was 100% non-compliant. I had a feeling this would happen so I brought 2 tiny oranges and a Lara bar. I got to put a new baby to sleep instead, so his mama could eat her lunch. I ate my food when we got out to the car and also made a Greek salad when we got home.

Dinner is BBQ steaks, roasted vegetables and salad. Mmmmm!

Have a great day everyone!

Edit: typo
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Post by: Faraday on November 22, 2015, 05:32:27 PM
Today there was a lunch after church that was 100% non-compliant. I had a feeling this would happen so I brought 2 tiny oranges and a Lara bar. I got to put a new baby to sleep instead, so his mama could eat her lunch. I are my food when we got out to the car and also made a Greek salad when we got home.

Dinner is BBQ steaks, roasted vegetables and salad. Mmmmm!

Now THAT was SuperBadass! You anticipated the scenario, prepared, and treated yourself to awesome dinner. THAT's what I'm talkin about!

Hacking the diet has so much in common with MMM. We don't suffer, we change. We wipe out the hedonistic adaptation to junk foods that the entire world is bathed in.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 23, 2015, 12:55:18 AM
Thanks everyone,  I think I have got myself back in hand. A few strict whole30 days to get myself back into tiger blood then I will do the proper reintro protocol. Because my half hearted reintro effort followed by jumping back into it really didn't give me the quality of info I need. Yes I felt shit after my binge but who knows what that was - sugar, dairy, gluten, preservatives -they were all in there somewhere. By being systematic and logging what I eat (thanks Faraday) I will hopefully come to that better understanding of what my body loves and hates that you were talking about Swick. But I am going to persevere with this - the energy and mental clarity are just too good to give up. Ran to school today with a heavy bag thinking shit this is heavy but watch me go - only to realize it weighed about as much as the fat I've lost -no wonder I used to get tired! Hope everyone else is doing well. Ks
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Post by: Faraday on November 23, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
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Ran to school today with a heavy bag thinking shit this is heavy but watch me go - only to realize it weighed about as much as the fat I've lost -no wonder I used to get tired! Hope everyone else is doing well. Ks

It shocks me when I think about the 70 lbs I lost:
- a 50 lb sack of farm animal feed PLUS 20 lbs.
- a 5th grader
- the weight of almost 5 road bikes or 3 mountain bikes.
- almost 10 newborn babies
- More than 8 gallons of whole milk
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Post by: Liz on November 23, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
That sounds like a great plan KS!
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Post by: horsepoor on November 23, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
Awesome Sonya, glad you're back on the wagon and feeling good!

It is profound to equate a weight loss to all of those objects, wow!  Sometimes I pick up a 50# bag of feed and wonder how the fuck I ever carried that around on my body all day.  Mind boggling.

I, honestly, am feeling just OK here on Day 16.  I guess I have less of an afternoon slump, and having cravings cut back is nice.  Otherwise, I'm sleeping well, but feel like I need 9-10 hours per night.  Maybe my body is just doing deferred maintenance now that I'm not as ridiculously busy as I was from about March through October.  DH is struggling more than me with wanting to cheat. I (semi) jokingly told him last night that he must have a pretty bad junk food addiction, which he admits, but I don't think he's ready to kick. I've realized that I don't really miss sweets, so I may just go through the end of the year without anything but added sugar.  OTOH, with sweets, I've decided that Lara bars are kind of a SWYPO for me.  They're just too easy to grab and eat in a few bites, so I'm going to toss them in the back of the freezer for a while.

Went for a 5 mile jog after work today.  It was better than last week's run, in that my legs didn't feel leaden, but I just had one gear and didn't feel like I could summon any sort of speed.  Not sure if it's the diet or my training, but I miss the lightness of feeling like I can sprint at any time.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 24, 2015, 11:12:52 AM
Thank you lovely Faraday for the suggestion to track my food. At first I came out in sweats thinking how much I hated doing that on Weight Watchers.  Of coursre I had no control over my cravings so it was really just a diary of my failures and that didn't feel good. But I am realising it's value as a tool during reintro. Two days ago I was on fire, compliant food all day. Came home after a busy day with the kids and at 4.30 thought 'let's wash the outside of the entire house'. It took an hour with kid help and I should have been exhausted but wasn't.  Yesterday, I had a bowl of cornflakes after healthy lunch and down I went. Spent most of the afternoon on the couch exhausted.  That bowl of cornflakes ruined my afternoon!  Not having that. It is powerful to document these things to truly realise what I'm getting. It's not 'here my friend have this delicious food that I baked you' it is 'I want to zap your energy with some sugar laden crap'. Umm, no thanks mate. Must be channeling you today, Faraday. Have a great day everyone.  Ks
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Post by: swick on November 24, 2015, 11:36:07 AM
It's great that you are tracking KiwiSonya!

I am curious, though, are you interested in figuring out which food specifically trigger you? Even a bowl of cornflakes will have several different "problem" food groups in it. So it might be harder to isolate what exactly is giving you the issues. Is it the sugar? Is it the corn? Is it the milk? (assuming you had milk) Is it the carbohydrate load that is causing your insulin and hormones to go all whack?

Great to hear how everyone is doing!

Faraday - love the visual comparisons :)

Have a zucchini and smoked salmon quiche in the oven for a late breakfast/early lunch that I am going to top with a little leftover hollandaise sauce.

I have discovered that if I have my coconut buzzed tea in the morning, I have been feeling quite content with two meals a day.

Yesterday, I was just feeling so incredibly grateful. I had the perfect day...not as in "the best day ever"  but I got up super early, was able to get a ton of client and personal work done and barely noticed the time or that I was sitting at the computer for a few hours (vs. a few months ago when I thought I would have to give up writing, and I could only sit at the computer for about 5 minutes at a time before I started to ache) I hade a healthy brunch, took the dog for a walk, came home and went a house cleaning spree (again, that much odd body movement would have seen me curled up in a ball of pain afterwards with a horrible night sleep)  and I was able to get more work done in the afternoon (Brain fog would have kicked in by then)

Then we went out for dinner, and I guiltlessly ordered a lamb shank (Usually, I figure they are too expensive, but it was the only compliant thing on the menu and while not good for the mustachian side of things, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it) over some great conversations with some good friends.

It's really all the simple little things, but life is just so much better now. I just have to remind myself of this every time I see something wheaty and tasty :)

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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 24, 2015, 06:21:50 PM
You're right Swick, nothing scientifically rigorous about cornflakes with milk. I just wanted it:). But have been better today and have been compliant until deliberately having a chunk of aged cheddar.  I am still on daily antihistamines for pollen so didn't expect anything dramatic. Well, within 15 mins my nose and eyes were streaming and my glands on my neck were all swollen. I knew dairy wasn't my thing. Will see how long it takes to subside. Reminder to not eat dairy at parties or important events as the snot explosion is not pretty. Was going to add extra dairy with dinner but think this is enough for one day. Still keen to try yoghurt at some point. Tomorrow I'll do bread at lunch. I want to keep some productivity so will do jobs in morning and reintros at lunch. Glad you are having a perfect day Swick. I love the fact that the main benefits are not weight.  My sister and MIL have both bought the book and are giving it a try so that is exciting!
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Post by: 1967mama on November 24, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
Horsepoor - I didn't realize until today that we are on exactly the same day! Its my second Whole30. I, too, have to be verrrry careful with Lara bars. I made my own a week ago and they're awfully tasty!

Kiwisonya - You have perfectly summarized my Weight Watchers failure(s) and why it never worked for me. Interestingly, I am at the same weight that I "got down to" on WW, so now I can't wait to bust through that barrier!! I loved your description of washing the house! So awesome! As I head toward reintroduction at the end of this Whole30, I am so afraid to experience reactions like your dairy one .. ugh .. sounds dreadful.

Swick - I loved how you said that, "...life is just so much better now." That also describes me to a T. I have been giving some thought to reintroduction since I've done a Whole60 here and am feeling a little bit of monotony with the limited food choices. For example, today I had a nice baked piece of salmon on a huge bed of romaine. It would have been even better, and possibly more filling, with quinoa in there. I have been hungry for a few days now. My daughter, also on Whole30, suggested that I need more protein and she's probably right. I was a vegetarian back in my university days for about 5 years, so I've not been a huge fan of meat, even though I eat it now.
By the way, could you please tell me how you make your coconut buzzed tea? I'd like to make some as it sounds like it would fill me up a little more.

Faraday - How long did it take you to lose 70 pounds? Was it all done using keto strategies? Whole 30? Other? :-) I have so far to go still and I don't DON'T DON'T want to give up and go back to the crappy way I was living before. I feel so much better, I have improved my confidence and self esteem, I'm a better wife and mother, just so many great things going on for me but I need to switch my thinking from short term to long term...I'm never going back to the way I was eating before. This is the new me and my new lifestyle.

Tonight for dinner I made a good meaty spaghetti sauce that simmered away in the crockpot all day. My daughter and I had our zoodles. Six small zucchini makes just about the right amount for the two of us plus enough for a smaller lunch for me tomorrow. Oh, when I was making our salad for lunch, topped with salmon, I laid out all the plates (picture a counter covered in plates) and put a handful of lettuce on each one, then the dressing (whole30 compliant) and then sprinkled them all with parmesan cheese, intending to leave mine un-parmed. GRRRR! I parmed it and had to wash off my lettuce and run it through the salad spinner again!

Have a great day everyone!
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Post by: horsepoor on November 25, 2015, 06:26:45 AM

By the way, could you please tell me how you make your coconut buzzed tea? I'd like to make some as it sounds like it would fill me up a little more.

I don't do tea, but with my coffee, I just throw it in the blender with about a tablespoon of coconut oil until it's blended in.  I'll vary the amount of oil depending on if I'm eating or if I'm trying to stave off hunger for a couple hours.
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Post by: AliasGrace on November 25, 2015, 07:42:15 AM
First, I want you all to know i have been reading this thread for months for inspiration.  I am a long time whole30 veteran and sometimes I still need motivation. This thread is the most supportive thread I have ever come across. I sent Melissa the link to it so she can see how wonderful you all are.

I have been hungry for a few days now. My daughter, also on Whole30, suggested that I need more protein and she's probably right.
I wanted to say that for me, when I am hungry, it's because I have not eaten enough fat. I find the days where I don't have avocado or whatever fat you choose, that I am quite hungry between meals and have horrible cravings. Fat is key for me. I don't ever count my cooking fat as my fat either. I always need additional.

Have a wonderful day!
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Post by: mom22boys on November 25, 2015, 09:40:33 AM
First, I want you all to know i have been reading this thread for months for inspiration.  I am a long time whole30 veteran and sometimes I still need motivation. This thread is the most supportive thread I have ever come across. I sent Melissa the link to it so she can see how wonderful you all are.

I have been hungry for a few days now. My daughter, also on Whole30, suggested that I need more protein and she's probably right.
I wanted to say that for me, when I am hungry, it's because I have not eaten enough fat. I find the days where I don't have avocado or whatever fat you choose, that I am quite hungry between meals and have horrible cravings. Fat is key for me. I don't ever count my cooking fat as my fat either. I always need additional.

Have a wonderful day!
Thanks for the great compliment, AliasGrace! We absolutely agree that we have an awesome group! I've learned so much from this amazing group. And gotten some kickass recipes too! Are you doing another round soon, currently doing one now, mixture? We would love to hear more of your experience, especially with reintro. Most of us are struggling with that area.

Thanks for the tip on the fats too. I was thinking the same thing, but being pretty to this, I wasn't sure. I have trouble getting in my healthy fats too. I'm not a huge avocado fan, so I tend to eat nuts. I need to work on that area more.
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Post by: swick on November 25, 2015, 10:43:28 AM

By the way, could you please tell me how you make your coconut buzzed tea? I'd like to make some as it sounds like it would fill me up a little more.

I don't do tea, but with my coffee, I just throw it in the blender with about a tablespoon of coconut oil until it's blended in.  I'll vary the amount of oil depending on if I'm eating or if I'm trying to stave off hunger for a couple hours.

This is basically what I do too, except I add a splash of coconut milk as well. I add a bit more oil ( as you have probably gathered by now, I'm not one for measuring!) too. I also just use my immersion blender because it is easier to clean and I feel like I have more control vs buzzing hot liquid in a blender.

Thank you for your heart-warming comments, AliasGrace. This thread is one of the nicest/supportive places on the internet, IMO. Welcome!

1967mama - it might be that you need more protein, but I would experiment with your fat levels too. Like AliasGrace mentions, getting enough fat seems to really be the difference for me. If you are teetering between Keto and not - that is where people seem to be having trouble (My hubs for sure) ...Thoughts, Faraday?

Yesterday We had a bamboo shoot and turkey coconut milk Thai curry over zoodles for supper. Tonight I'm thinking pork and cabbage stir-fry :)
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Post by: 1967mama on November 25, 2015, 11:08:02 AM
AliasGrace - Thanks for coming out of lurkdom to offer your kind comments and suggestions - much appreciated! I would totally agree Mom22boys that many of us are looking for assistance with reintroduction. I have 13 days to go till I'm done my Whole60. I went back to the Whole30 website to look up information on fats (http://whole30.com/downloads/whole30-shopping-list.pdf) and found that to be very informative.

Swick - I tried it in my morning tea. I do have an immersion blender so I used that. Is it normal for dots of fat to be floating on the surface of the tea? It was interesting to drink my tea this way. Not unpleasant, just different than I'm used to, I guess. I do like coconut and so adding the oil, and your suggestion now about adding coconut milk as well, will go into my 2nd cup of tea this morning:-) I had 3 eggs and a big handful of spinach for breakfast and am having a palm sized piece of salmon with my lunch salad today. Insteresting aside on the coconut oil -- I had surgery in the summer and put some oil on my scar this morning. I have been using bio-oil and it just seems to make it more itchy. Now I've stopped using it because I was thinking maybe I was reacting to the bio-oil. Anyhoo, the coconut oil felt very nice so I'm going to start doing that daily instead -- what a wonder fat!

I don't know how to make a curry. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Just not familiar with that type of cooking. Approximate measurements are fine with me - I'm not afraid of cooking :-)


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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 25, 2015, 11:19:34 AM
Hi all, thanks for the lovely comments,  AliasGrace. Ooh 1967mama, the wonderful world of curry. To get yourself started I would go to an Indian/Asian food store and buy a mild curry spice mix and some chilli flakes. Fry an onion, fry small chunks of whatever meat you like, add a tbsp of curry powder and coat everything in that. Add a tin of coconut milk and a ton of vege and let everything simmer for a bit. The chilli flakes can be added near the end or even sprinkled on top if you decide you want heat. I like spicy but I need rhe kids to eat it too! Fresh basil or coriander added to the top as a garnish is nice. Can serve with cauliflower rice. That is the basic deal but once you start the variations are endless- different meat, different spice mixes/pastes, tinned toms instead of coconut milk, different vege. Curries are my favorite! 
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Post by: swick on November 25, 2015, 11:28:54 AM


Swick - I tried it in my morning tea. I do have an immersion blender so I used that. Is it normal for dots of fat to be floating on the surface of the tea? It was interesting to drink my tea this way. Not unpleasant, just different than I'm used to, I guess. I do like coconut and so adding the oil, and your suggestion now about adding coconut milk as well, will go into my 2nd cup of tea this morning:-) I had 3 eggs and a big handful of spinach for breakfast and am having a palm sized piece of salmon with my lunch salad today. Insteresting aside on the coconut oil -- I had surgery in the summer and put some oil on my scar this morning. I have been using bio-oil and it just seems to make it more itchy. Now I've stopped using it because I was thinking maybe I was reacting to the bio-oil. Anyhoo, the coconut oil felt very nice so I'm going to start doing that daily instead -- what a wonder fat!

I don't know how to make a curry. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Just not familiar with that type of cooking. Approximate measurements are fine with me - I'm not afraid of cooking :-)

Opps...I had forgotten about that...the reason I started to put the coconut milk in my tea is because it buzzes into a nice foam (Much like a Latte) so you don't get that oilyness.  You do have to make sure you drink it while it is warm, otherwise you get an unpleasant coconut oil "crust"

I will admit to cheating and using curry paste. Thai Kitchen is super duper expensive. I have found a really like the Mae Ploy Brand. You do have to read the ingredients, I think all are compliant except one that I noticed. They have a bunch of different ones so it is just a matter of figuring out which heat level you like.

To make the curry, melt a big scoop of coconut oil in a pot, and some curry paste - I usually start with a couple of tbs or so. Give it a quick fry to release the flavours. add any veggies you want to sautee. I usually add an onion, bamboo shoots, peppers. Chopped thawed frozen spinach is good too (add it near the end)  Add your protein and add a can of coconut milk. Stir it all up and play with the flavours, adding more curry paste or more coconut milk to get it to the consistency you like.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 25, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
Now to follow from yesterday,  the runny nose etc that I got from yesterday's cheese reintro cleared within an hour, which probably explains wht I have never erased it from my diet before. Once it cleared I decided to press on and have milk in an afternoon cup of tea and a yoghurt for dessert. Nothing earth shattering happened but I didn't feel great and my glands stayed swollen. Perhaps dairy is one of those sources of silent inflammation for me. I don't think I will ban dairy altogether but it is going to be an occasional thing and only when it's really delicious , like in cheesecake or a delicious stinky French blue cheese. None of this 6 cups of white tea a day nonsense. 
Got up at 5am this morning to have a big declutter session using KonMari. I am most productive in the morning and it has felt good to have a big purge of stuff. Felt good on waking so thought I would crack into gluten reintro. Made bacon,  2 eggs, mushrooms,  tomatoes and my first courgette from my garden. Add one slice of my former favorite,  San Francisco Sourdough bread on the side. Noted that I didn't enjoy it's heavy texture the way I used to. It felt bland and heavy compared to my lively vegetables.  Was a big breakfast but 20 mins later I was back for another slice. Definitely 'food without brakes' for me. Tried to talk myself out of it but was suprised to find I couldn't.  I went back to tidying but before I knew it a second slice had fallen off the loaf and leaped by itself into my mouth! Definitely psychological effects going on here. Will see how the rest of the day goes. Don't be suprised if I fully fly off the rails today. Luckily I have run out of cornflakes!  Have a great day everyone.  Ks
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Post by: swick on November 25, 2015, 11:50:49 AM
Was a big breakfast but 20 mins later I was back for another slice. Definitely 'food without brakes' for me. Tried to talk myself out of it but was suprised to find I couldn't.  I went back to tidying but before I knew it a second slice had fallen off the loaf and leaped by itself into my mouth! Definitely psychological effects going on here. Will see how the rest of the day goes. Don't be suprised if I fully fly off the rails today. Luckily I have run out of cornflakes!  Have a great day everyone.  Ks

Kiwi - it is important to do the reintro and get the data - but remember, you are stronger than whatever psychological bull crap your mind (and body!) is trying to pull on you right now. Please take the time to really check in with yourself and make sure that you are reintroducing foods consciously and for the right reason. 

Just realizing that the wheat has this kind of psychological hold is a big breakthrough! Sit with it for a while, become the observer of your thoughts and feelings around it and don't  let the feelings and cravings take hold. Make your choices conscious and deliberate and from a place of knowing how far you have come, how amazing you feel, and the "new" you.

You got this!
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Post by: Faraday on November 25, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
Faraday - How long did it take you to lose 70 pounds? Was it all done using keto strategies? Whole 30? Other? :-) I have so far to go still and I don't DON'T DON'T want to give up and go back to the crappy way I was living before. I feel so much better, I have improved my confidence and self esteem, I'm a better wife and mother, just so many great things going on for me but I need to switch my thinking from short term to long term...I'm never going back to the way I was eating before. This is the new me and my new lifestyle.

'67mama: 10 months, 18 days. That's almost to the minute. I've attached a photo of "the moment" on the scale.

I started March 2, 2014 at 282 lbs. I hit 200 lbs December 20, 2014. I've "leveled up" to about 212 lbs currently. I'd like to see 180 lbs on the scale but I'm giving that thought before attempting.

And BTW: The US BMI guidelines have me "normal" at 180 lbs at 6ft 1in. But I have no doubt I'd look really bad and scare the crap out of people if I went down to 180lbs very quickly. I can and I will, but I'm giving it some careful thought: It feels like my body is trying to tell me something right now and I'm trying to understand what.

DW and I ate eat according to classical keto guidelines. We got REALLY tired of low variety after about 2 months, so we started using the recipes on ruled.me. That's how I got so good at making the Lo-Carb Pizza.

Full Disclosure: We sparingly use Atkins meals and Atkins meal bars as "emergency rations". However, the Atkins meals were making my wife sick because they contain a lot of ONION and the bars were making me sick because they have lactose.  SO: although we were doing Keto, we still really had to pay attention to the CONCEPT of Whole30: weeding out foods that make you sick.

There is debate in the keto community about whether or not to exercise. I ignored this, as I am a rabid cyclist. When I started to see my lap times increase dramatically, I was completely hooked.

You've got to be aware that DW and I were extremely strongly motivated. She, by hatred of a remark about her weight made to her by a woman we had to be associated with at the time. Me, by fear of Diabetes and the realization that I was suffering symptoms that could eventually kill me.

So for her, the original motivator WAS weight. For me, it was the pain of ill health. As we went on and symptoms of ill health resolved. (EVEN in her - although she won't admit. She stopped snoring and her blood pressure became controllable.)

I became even more dedicated to Keto because I began to resolve chronic, painful health problems that not only made me suffer, but cost me a buttload of money in doctor visits.

DW continues to have problems wanting bread or cake. I can take it or leave it. We will indulge on very rare occasions: Her Birthday, for example. We MIGHT indulge on Thanksgiving, but that is not a given.

I love to have homebrewed ale with my sons in either work setting or social setting. I live "in moratorium", but I will very occasionally have one with my sons. I expect to have one or two this week with them at the thanksgiving meal.

Now: When I "cheat" and have an ale, I don't get away with it. In fact, I suffer perceptibly. My gut inflames, I pop up about 3-6 lbs, I retain water and I feel like shit. My strategy for this is to go back into moratorium and EARN AND BURN. Remember, I'm an avid cyclist, so I'll do a 30 mile loop until the inflammation and weight gain are gone.

KEY to our success is thinking ahead and having coping strategies. Remember my "Season of Insanity" manifesto? That's not tongue-in-cheek: I believe it as truly as the sun will rise tomorrow. I do not believe it's a conspiracy theory, I believe it's only "good marketing" by food vendors.  (FIVE OREO displays in high-traffic areas of the store? FUCK YOU.)

ruled.me was a lifesaver. We searched for recipes we liked, tried them and if they were good, printed them out and put them in a notebook. The lo-carb pizza was probably the biggest "win" of all, since it answered our craving for a bready, savory hot pizza.

DW and I got plenty of questions, challenges and people sticking their noses in our business. She reacted admirably and charitably. I reacted with anger, accusation and challenge to the weak-willed cotton-headed unwashed masses. Important thing is to push back on people who challenge: You have to turn back the opposition or they will keep coming at you.

We are still keto to this day and we have maintained our weight loss. I'd like to go even thinner, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to do that without looking gaunt and older. I'm thinking maybe just keep the weight loss at an extremely low rate - maybe 1/2 lb a week or so - and add a little more protein. Dunno, I'll figure it out as I go.
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Post by: horsepoor on November 25, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
Faraday, thanks for sharing more of your story.  Great that you and your wife are in it together and so strongly motivated!

Kiwi, if you haven't read it, you might be interested in the book Grain Brain by Dr. Perlmutter.  It definitely helped me understand the "bread leaping into mouth" phenomenon and made me put more space between myself and everything wheat.  I think that if it doesn't cause a physical reaction, it can be added back in small amounts after an extended break, and not have the same psychological hold.  I don't think 30 days is enough when it comes to wheat, though, and it's something that takes constant vigilance if and when you do add it back.

1967 - as luck would have it, there was a 1-day special on paleo Kindle books yesterday (I forgot about it until the last hour, otherwise would have posted here) and one I picked up is Thai paleo.  Will take a look at it and post up a curry recipe or two for you.  I really like making a more Indian-inspired curry these days with ground beef (yes, I see the irony) using toasted black cumin, brown mustard seeds and tomato.  I first used this NomNom Paleo recipe for spiced keema and have been riffing on it ever since.  http://nomnompaleo.com/post/57975313761/deconstructed-samosa-spiced-keema
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Post by: Faraday on November 25, 2015, 12:29:04 PM
... the runny nose etc...
... I decided to press on and have milk ... my glands stayed swollen.

Perhaps dairy is one of those sources of silent inflammation for me. I don't think I will ban dairy altogether but it is going to be an occasional thing and only when it's really delicious , like in cheesecake or a delicious stinky French blue cheese.

... Felt good on waking so thought I would crack into gluten reintro ...

... San Francisco Sourdough bread on the side. Noted that I didn't enjoy it's heavy texture ... It felt bland and heavy
... Was a big breakfast but 20 mins later I was back for another slice. Definitely 'food without brakes' for me. Tried to talk myself out of it but was surprised to find I couldn't ... before I knew it a second slice had fallen off the loaf and leaped by itself into my mouth!

... Will see how the rest of the day goes. Don't be suprised if I fully fly off the rails today ...

You, KiwiSonya, are a Food Addict.

These items should be gone from your house. You should have purged your cupboards and fridge long ago.  You are putting up with a snotty nose and sinus infections to have dairy? What: Your husband goes in to kiss your cheek and gets snot on his cheek? But hey, you're getting to LOVE THAT DAIRY, eh?!?

This is not Whole30. This is not even "Whole01". You joyfully jump off the wagon with each and every meal  I am scared terrified to think how you must eat when you aren't trying at all?

"Don't be surprised if I fully fly off the rails today..." You aren't on the rails. You aren't even in SIGHT of the rails.  You've already told us you are planning to fail at least three times on Thanksgiving Day.

From Fight Club:

[Marla Singer enters, smoking]
Marla: This is cancer, right?
Narrator: [voice over] This chick Marla Singer did not have testicular cancer. She was a liar. She had no diseases at all. I had seen her at “Free and Clear”, my blood parasite group Thursdays. Then at “Hope”, my bi-monthly sickle cell circle. And again at “Seize the Day”, my tuberculous Friday night. Marla…the big tourist. Her lie reflected my lie. Suddenly, I felt nothing. I couldn’t cry, so once again I couldn’t sleep.
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Post by: swick on November 25, 2015, 03:27:14 PM
Faraday,

The whole point of the whole 30 reintro period is to try these foods, see what affects they have on us and how we should navigate them.

I noticed, for me,  there is a bit of a grieving process that comes along with not being able to eat certain foods again, and yes there is some resistance as well, you have to work through it, and everyone does it differently. Reading a few quick posts on the "stages of grief" were very interesting to me because I could easily draw the parallels to how I was feeling. about food. it seems silly on the surface, but there you go.

It is also much harder if you don't have obvious physical symptoms it is easier to rationalize and figure it's okay. We all have to find our own way and figure out what works for us. The journey is worth it, KiwiSonya!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 25, 2015, 05:02:25 PM
Dearest Faraday, I do so appreciate your concern for my mind and body. It does sound weird but Swick is right there is method to the madness. I couldn't keep eating like this because Melissa Hartwig says so, I need to do it because it is how I really want to live deep down inside.  You're the embodiment of someone who is already there and I love that we have your example to follow. But yip, I'm deliberately eating these foods that I think will make me feel crap so that I can really know that and understand the consequences for my body. I don't want to feel like I'm depriving myself but that I'm making better choices. The former would make me feel beaten, the latter will give me a glow of smug righteousness that I'll probably struggle to keep to myself. But first the journey...I can promise you that snotty noses (dairy) and diarrhea (gluten) will not be in my future. A side note on the latter, sorry to TMI you but I had to get hubby out of the shower this morning because I just could not wait - lucky he saw the funny side and won't be pushing gluten on me any time soon:)
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Post by: Faraday on November 25, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
Dearest Faraday, I do so appreciate your concern for my mind and body. It does sound weird but Swick is right there is method to the madness. I couldn't keep eating like this because Melissa Hartwig says so, I need to do it because it is how I really want to live deep down inside.  You're the embodiment of someone who is already there and I love that we have your example to follow. But yip, I'm deliberately eating these foods that I think will make me feel crap so that I can really know that and understand the consequences for my body. I don't want to feel like I'm depriving myself but that I'm making better choices. The former would make me feel beaten, the latter will give me a glow of smug righteousness that I'll probably struggle to keep to myself. But first the journey...I can promise you that snotty noses (dairy) and diarrhea (gluten) will not be in my future. A side note on the latter, sorry to TMI you but I had to get hubby out of the shower this morning because I just could not wait - lucky he saw the funny side and won't be pushing gluten on me any time soon:)

You seem to have so few motivators compared to the rest of us. With me, it's health and diabetes (and ultimately money and lifespan). With many of us it's pure weight and attractiveness. (which accelerates with age). You don't seem to have any of those motivators. You've not actually talked of any NEED to do this (and clearly, DH isn't concerned). So I asked myself: what is a motivator for KiwiSonya?!?!?

I've actually struggled and studied with this. Nothing seems to actually work for you. So I thought, maybe if you HATE ME. To arouse your anger, your dark side. There's been so many kisses keep getting blown your way when you fall off the wagon, thought I'd try my old friend...the facepunch.

Damn. You don't even HATE ME. I can't even tap into your gender difference. I got nothing, now.

I get the reintro thing for Whole30, but that's only one or two things, not stuff that's obviously going to hurt you (or make your nose snotty). if you did it right, your insulin sensitivity has improved to the point that your body will ram those carbs into fat even faster than ever before. If you gave your allergies relief from the dairy, they could get even worse when you try again. You seem in danger of a kind of rebound effect.

Maybe you are young and only a few lb's overweight? Maybe we're talking "fine tuning" here and you don't really need any of this long-term?

Maybe I show you what I'm eating? Pickle (zero carbs), Grilled beef burger (zero carbs), Steamed broccoli (4.3 net per serving). Oh, don't forget butter. There's butter all over that broccoli. It's all sexy and delicious. No bread in sight.

This food is so good, DW and I can stand in the bakery section of our local food market and buy nothing if this is in our grocery cart. (oh, we SEE it and SMELL it alright) We call the bakery section "The Valley of the Shadow of Death".

PS: Anyone who has sons, watch "Fight Club" with them when they are teens. Important, good stuff for boys.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 25, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Yummy dinner, Faraday. Why am I here? Well, vanity really. I've been a bit on the chubby side since a teenager (as in pretty face, but the rest lets her down). Have finished my family and while don't want to be fat and forty, I was already slimmer when I started whole30 than when I got pregnant with my first.  Have always been a sweet tooth and always thought I was weak willed and that's why I couldn't lose the weight (trued WW etc over the years). Never been so fat that I had health issues but didn't feel good in my skin. So I'm wanting to rock 40 and above. Never imagined in my wildest dreams that I could have the degree of food control that I have achieved on whole30 and I don't want to lose this. I agree I'm a rebound risk. Non supportive hubby doesn't help. He thinks I'm fine as I am and this is just one of my little phases. That's why I hang about here so much. I appreciate your efforts to sort me out. Ks
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Post by: Cranberries on November 25, 2015, 07:00:07 PM
This week I have been playing around with non-compliant foods. After the first day it has not been particularly controlled. I know that I need to eat something very close to whole30 compliant for the long term, so other then testing a couple of specific foods (dairy mostly), a lot of what I have been doing with my time between whole30's is reminding myself why it is that I want to eat this way. Today I had macaroni and cheese with rice noodles, and some eggnog. Wow, did something in that make me tired.

So far I have not had good luck with any reentros. Dairy is mostly ok. It's in the danger zone that will be hard to resist over the years.
GF baked goods (from my favorite gf baker, so a blend of flours) caused some pretty serious bloating. Another GF pastry earlier in the week caused my wheat/oat stomach pain symptoms: I had forgotten to ask if they used oat flour. Oops.

I will not be reintroducing wheat. I would be seriously unsurprised if I have celiac but I will probably never be diagnosed, as I would have to eat the stuff in quantity for three months to get tested. I have tried a couple of times to eat that much wheat, but always bailed about 1 month in. Not Worth It.

Tomorrow will probably be mostly W30 compliant. After that I'm doing it again, and looking forward to it. This time around, I will not be eating nuts or dried fruit, and I will be cutting it just short of Christmas. My partner will be joining me again, but eating rice. He lost 8 pounds in the last one. He started as a thin and muscular athlete, so that is not a good thing. He's had some definite positives from eating this way and wants to keep it up, but needs to figure out a way to not lose more weight.
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Post by: Caoineag on November 25, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
Okay so I am still in the recipe gathering and planning stage (less than a month left till I actually do the full Whole 30/ Elimination Diet) but need to share one of my main staple recipes since everyone keeps mentioning cooked cabbage on this thread and I found I like this way better.

Cabbage and Beet Slaw
1 red cabbage and 1 beet shredded raw, 1/3-1/2 cup each of your favorite vinegar and olive oil. Best at least a day out.

Its a great substitution for anyone who likes to have something crunchy. Also, for the lazy, this never gets soggy (I make it Sunday and eat it all week). I have done it once with each of my 3 favorite vinegars. I'm the one who normally can't eat the same thing more than a couple of times and I can eat this as a side dish 5x per week without getting sick of it.
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Post by: Faraday on November 25, 2015, 07:34:15 PM
Okay so I am still in the recipe gathering and planning stage (less than a month left till I actually do the full Whole 30/ Elimination Diet) but need to share one of my main staple recipes since everyone keeps mentioning cooked cabbage on this thread and I found I like this way better.

Cabbage and Beet Slaw
1 red cabbage and 1 beet shredded raw, 1/3-1/2 cup each of your favorite vinegar and olive oil. Best at least a day out.

Its a great substitution for anyone who likes to have something crunchy. Also, for the lazy, this never gets soggy (I make it Sunday and eat it all week). I have done it once with each of my 3 favorite vinegars. I'm the one who normally can't eat the same thing more than a couple of times and I can eat this as a side dish 5x per week without getting sick of it.

This is AWESOME. You have combined three incredible superfoods: Cabbage, beets and vinegar! Olive oil is super-good too. I might combine it with a tad bit of salt or my favorite mistress, Ms. Dash.
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Post by: horsepoor on November 26, 2015, 08:47:22 AM
Yummy dinner, Faraday. Why am I here? Well, vanity really. I've been a bit on the chubby side since a teenager (as in pretty face, but the rest lets her down). Have finished my family and while don't want to be fat and forty, I was already slimmer when I started whole30 than when I got pregnant with my first.  Have always been a sweet tooth and always thought I was weak willed and that's why I couldn't lose the weight (trued WW etc over the years). Never been so fat that I had health issues but didn't feel good in my skin. So I'm wanting to rock 40 and above. Never imagined in my wildest dreams that I could have the degree of food control that I have achieved on whole30 and I don't want to lose this. I agree I'm a rebound risk. Non supportive hubby doesn't help. He thinks I'm fine as I am and this is just one of my little phases. That's why I hang about here so much. I appreciate your efforts to sort me out. Ks

Sonya, I really hope you're not "off the rails" today.  Have you done some thinking about what your diet might look like long-term?  Have you done some research on paleo/primal that is not necessarily W30?  I ask because it seems obvious that cornflakes and milk is waaaay off from what you've been doing and doesn't seem like something that's so delicious that it's worth going off plan for.  And like Swick mentioned, it contains multiple non-compliant ingredients, so eating it doesn't give you specific information about problem foods.  If you feel like you're going off the rails during re-intro, I'll humbly suggest that you try to take a step back and separate the physical and psychological aspects of where you are now with your relationship to food.  Try identifying a non-compliant food to reintro that is not a SWYPO/food without brakes (preferably only ONE non-compliant ingredient), eat a measured amount, and then WAIT.  For like a few days.  Before trying another reintro.  While I'm not going to facepunch you, I am with Faraday in saying that you've got a ways to go in weaning yourself from some of these foods.  Think of alcoholics, and how many can't have "just one sip".  It's probably not that extreme, but I think you've identified some of the foods you need to get more time and mental distance from before you dabble in eating them again.

In the meantime, if you haven't, do some research on paleo/primal recipes and meal ideas and perhaps the Perfect Health Diet and start to formulate an mental picture of what a sustainable for the rest of your life whole-foods based diet might look like for you.  Re-intro should focus on these additional foods first, and save the cheesecake and pizza for when they have less of a pull on you and you can look at their effects more as a scientist.

It takes time for insulin and grhelin reactions to food to adjust.  Also, have you been eating any probiotic foods or taking a PB supplement?  Your gut flora are important and nurturing them can help you to realign your diet.

Please do read the Perlmutter book if you have time.  Another one that may be helpful for you (it was for me) is The End of Overeating.  Try to cultivate some of the rabid disdain for packaged, processed crap that Faraday has.  A bit of the rage towards the Frankenfood industry will take you far.  We are all rooting for you here!



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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 26, 2015, 12:15:16 PM
Ok, face punches and gentle reproaches accepted. I need to spend some time thinking about all this. I haven't yet reached the emotional maturity around food yet that I need for the post whole 30 journey. Will be back later. Hope you all have a great day. Ks
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Post by: 1967mama on November 26, 2015, 12:59:17 PM
Faraday - Thanks for detailing your weight loss journey for us. I found it very helpful and have already reread it a few times.

Curry - preparing to make the nom nom Paleo curry that was posted - I'm sorry for not thanking the appropriate poster but I'm on an iphone which makes it infinitely harder to scroll up and down. I bought all the ingredients last night.

Kiwisonya - Your "reintroduction" phase is exactly what I'm scared of for myself. As was suggested, I have been reading several Paleo and primal books from the library and am trying to figure out where I will settle in. I was a TERRIBLE garbage food eater. That's how I got to be almost 80 pounds overweight (and gaining). I get that you still have a lot of non-compliant foods in the pantry - many other people live in our house besides me. I would have to say that our fridge and pantry are much healthier than they used to be with things like way more fruit and veggies for snacks, Lara bars, applesauce cups etc. but there is also still cereal, Nutella, cake mix, candy canes, chocolate chips, sprinkles, etx. I'm still so surprised that the Sugar Dragon in me has been tamed (for now) but I think those foods will have to be a no-fly zone for me.

I've really enjoyed all the brutally hard conversations that everyone has been having here and I really don't want it to be me reporting in on my binges -- or worse -- NOT reporting in! You are brave, KS, and I really really appreciate your honesty! (((Hugs)))

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Post by: yyc-phil on November 26, 2015, 03:59:38 PM
My staple diet when I am away from home for six long weeks at the time consists of pilaf rice and beans (black, red, chick peas, soy, etc.) which I eat practically every single day mostly because I don't have access to proper cooking facilities except a microwave, so it will take a careful redesign of my diet to make the W30 work for me, but I am in, starting tomorrow.

I haven't read the entire thread and I am wondering if Korean sweet potato noodles, tapioca noodles, and Shirataki (a type of Japanese noodles made from the starch of a tuber called konjac) are acceptable.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 26, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
My staple diet when I am away from home for six long weeks at the time consists of pilaf rice and beans (black, red, chick peas, soy, etc.) which I eat practically every single day mostly because I don't have access to proper cooking facilities except a microwave, so it will take a careful redesign of my diet to make the W30 work for me, but I am in, starting tomorrow.

I haven't read the entire thread and I am wondering if Korean sweet potato noodles, tapioca noodles, and Shirataki (a type of Japanese noodles made from the starch of a tuber called konjac) are acceptable.

Hi ykphil, Welcome! You definitely have some challenges ahead of you with your cooking facilities. Feel free to use us as a brainstorming think tank, if you need to!

Konjac and Shirataki type noodles are not recommended for people with gut issues, so if you want to take a break and give yourself a chance to heal any imbalances, they aren't recommended.

Also, part of the whole 30 is to get into the habit of redefining your eating habits. That is hard to do if you are substituting one type of something for another.

Also, the reason the are so low cal is because they are basically just non-nutritive fiber. It fills you up - but isn't great nutritionally. Spiralized zucchini makes an awesome noodle substitute!

You can roast cauliflower and buzz it in the food processor if you want a rice substitute. Would be easy to reheat in the microwave.

If there is anything we can do to help support you, let us know!
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 26, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
A warm welcome YKPhil, a few pages back there is lots about eating while traveling.  Check those ideas out.
Well, I may be a bit all over the place today but have made myself the most amazing lunch. Think it will appear at Christmas lunch to have with ham. It tastes just like tabboleh (spelling?) But is cauliflower raw with parsley and basil chopped and dressing of walnut oil and lemon juice and sumac with pomegranate seeds. Has moroccan lamb sausages on top but would be great with any fish/meat. Looks very festive.  Shame I can't post photo as my phone reckons it doesn't have enough memory.
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Post by: KiwiSonya on November 26, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
Right, thoughts so far today. I really need to clean out all tempting SAD food from the cupboard/fridge/freezer. The cornflakes,  dried fruit, biscuits, icecream etc. It will be good for all of us. Hubby works in town by a supermarket so will ask him to buy and eat any crap there. Kids will have healthier lunchboxes.  They both love exotic fruit so will buy that as a substitute.  Hubby takes the kids on adventures on the weekend so they can buy icecream and other junk on those occasions. I have been reading the primal diet and I will gradually transition the whole family in that direction. Am planning to add some whole30 options to Christmas day. Might be the first one ever where I don't feel bloated and disgusting.  How does the following sound? A pimped up monkey bowl with macadamias and fresh berries for breakfast, my festive Morrocan cauliflower salad with ham and buttery green beans for lunch and bbq salmon fillet with preserved lemons and grilled vege for dinner with dark chocolate dipped strawberries for dessert.  Will be summer here remember.  Sound good?
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Post by: swick on November 26, 2015, 04:59:32 PM
Definitely woke up my taste buds, sounds delish:) Good job on making some decisions and creating a plan!

Kitchen adventures: I prepped the veggies for some fire cider which I plan to give away for Christmas to my family.

I'm also rendering some lamb fat. It seems to be working. Will it be edible? That remains to be seen. We got a whole organic happy lamb from a family friend and I don't want to waste any of it. I'm not too concerned about the potential Lamby taste. Just excited to see how I can use it!

I am so so so excited that I got a big delivery of duck eggs! The ducks have been molting apparently and decided to take a month or so off then my farmer friend got injured. They are back to producing, my friend is up and about, so I am back to regular access to delicious eggs. Should be easier to get Hubs eating them too, he prefers them to chicken eggs.

Starting to feel the struggle of lack of veggie variety as we are moving into winter. Going to make some kimchi this weekend and maybe get some other ferments going to add a little variety.

How is everyone doing today?
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Post by: horsepoor on November 26, 2015, 05:32:18 PM
I am dabbling in re-intro since 18 days in I'm not getting the results I wanted with decongestion,  and well, Its Thanksgiving.  So had some brie and duck liver mousse on paleo crackers.  Dinner in a few will be steaks, asparagus and mashed potatoes made with ghee and homemade beef stock.  Next off plan thing will be a glass of red weekend after this one, which was my originally planned end date.  I'm thinking from there I'll do limited cheese and yogurt, trace sugar, and red wine on weekends through at least end of the year.  Maybe legumes once a week or so.

Swick, sounds like you have access to great ingredients!  I've only rendered beef tallow, not lamb.  Seems like lamb is really variable, so it may or may not have a strong flavor.  I often temper the flavor of the tallow by using it in chili and other flavorful dishes, or mix it with avocado oil.  It's rendered fro. The bones and trimmings, but I read that Leaf fat is the best, so I'm asking the butcher for it next year.
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Post by: Liz on November 26, 2015, 06:09:37 PM
Just wanted to pop in and wish the US posters a Happy Thanksgiving!
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Post by: 1967mama on November 27, 2015, 01:20:47 AM
Canadian here, so we celebrated Thanksgiving in mid-October but hope our American friends had a compliant Thanksgiving ;-)

Dinner here was pork loin roasted with olive oil, balsamic, salt, pepper and rosemary. It was really good. Sides were beets, baked potatoes and sweet potato. mmmmm!

We are going away for the weekend with the kids, but I will have a full kitchen so it shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by: grenzbegriff on November 27, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
Hi all, nice to see people caring about how they eat and experimenting with stuff.  :)

Just a bit of my recent food story for the curious:
I got serious about my food after a visit to my family in September where I basically only had sugar and carbs to eat for a week, and felt pretty tired and lazy the whole time.  When I got home I resumed my usual diet of lots of vegetables, and decided to cut out dessert entirely for an indefinite period.

Then I started keto at the end of October just to try it.  I very quickly was hooked when I found myself not getting tired or drowsy during the day, no longer wishing for a nap, rarely feeling hungry, and eventually losing my cravings for sugar.  (I used to frequently crave cereal, bread and other carbs, even though I never felt good after eating them.)

I had been eating vegetarian since June as an experiment... mainly to see if I could have the discipline to do it if I wanted to.  After four weeks of vegetarian keto, I decided to switch back to eating meat on Nov 23, which makes keto way easier.  For vegetarian keto I was eating a *lot* of eggs and cheese and nuts, now I can cut back a bit on those and eat some meat too which is nice. 

For thanksgiving yesterday I helped prepare the stuffing and mashed potatoes, and wasn't even really tempted to eat them or any of the other carby things, which was everything but the turkey and some cheese and olives I had brought.  It was great to see I didn't mind that at all.  Felt fully awake and energized after thanksgiving dinner and ready for the 10 mile bike ride back home in the freezing cold after.  :D  After past thanksgivings I've always felt kind of sick and tired.  I'm excited now to power through the christmas holiday back home with full energy.  That'll be great.

Today I went for a little road trip and hike with friends.  I'm now in the habit of keeping ready-to-go keto foods in the fridge that I can throw in a lunch box whenever I go somewhere, e.g. cheese, sausage, olives, nuts, avocado, hardboiled egg, raw veggies.  So when we stopped at a fast food place I just got out my food from home.    Didn't spend any money and ate delicious healthy and cheap food.  On the way back we stopped at a farm market and I picked up a bag of 6 good sized firm avocados for $2.  Same size as the ones I buy for $1/ea at the market here.  To top it off, I got my friends to *walk* the quarter mile from my apartment to starbucks when we got home which for some reason is really unusual here.  Then we walked back and I made some unsweetened hot cocoa for myself which I've come to like.  Perhaps eventually my friends will pick up on the fact that I'm enjoying myself just as much while saving tons of money and staying healthier, and their habits will shift a bit.  I imagine cultures can change this way, a little at a time.  But even if I don't influence others' behavior, it's great for me. 


So, just happy to encourage all the mustachian keto-ers, and anyone who's cutting back on or eliminating sugar/sweets, I'm finding it very worthwhile and am enjoying the counter-cultural bit myself.  :)  Now I'm going to cook some sausage and veggies...mmm.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: horsepoor on November 27, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
Awesome Grenz.  Welcome to the thread!  Great progress in really a short time in the scheme of things.
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Post by: Faraday on November 27, 2015, 08:23:37 PM
Then I started keto at the end of October just to try it.  I very quickly was hooked when I found myself not getting tired or drowsy during the day, no longer wishing for a nap, rarely feeling hungry, and eventually losing my cravings for sugar.  (I used to frequently crave cereal, bread and other carbs, even though I never felt good after eating them.)

...awesome stuff was here....

So, just happy to encourage all the mustachian keto-ers, and anyone who's cutting back on or eliminating sugar/sweets, I'm finding it very worthwhile and am enjoying the counter-cultural bit myself.  :)  Now I'm going to cook some sausage and veggies...mmm.

Anything else to report, like sinus trouble, GERD or digestive trouble subsiding?
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Post by: 1967mama on November 27, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
I've been reading like a crazy woman! I have about 8 Paleo books out of the library right now. Seems to me the only difference between whole30 and Paleo is that with paleo you can add back bacon, a bit of dairy like yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese and also you can have trace amounts of sweetener (preferably honey). Have I summarized the difference sufficiently? I'm looking to make a plan for post whole60. I'm accepting the fact that I will never (or almost never) eat grains or legumes again. I heard about a friend of a friend who lost a bunch of weight on a similar plan and then went on a bender one night and threw up when she got home. Oh my! That is what I so want to avoid!
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Post by: horsepoor on November 27, 2015, 10:07:35 PM
I've been reading like a crazy woman! I have about 8 Paleo books out of the library right now. Seems to me the only difference between whole30 and Paleo is that with paleo you can add back bacon, a bit of dairy like yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese and also you can have trace amounts of sweetener (preferably honey). Have I summarized the difference sufficiently? I'm looking to make a plan for post whole60. I'm accepting the fact that I will never (or almost never) eat grains or legumes again. I heard about a friend of a friend who lost a bunch of weight on a similar plan and then went on a bender one night and threw up when she got home. Oh my! That is what I so want to avoid!

Actually, if you're eating dairy, it's considered Primal, not Paleo, if you're concerned about the labels.  Really the difference with Whole30 is not "substitute" foods like kelp noodles, no trace sugar, no natural sweeteners, no paleo baked goods, so it's considered a super-clean version of paleo.  When you're at or near your goal weight, you might look again at white rice.  I've come around to including it in my "good foods" list, and to my surprise, two of the books I got on the Kindle sale the other day also include white rice even though they're labeled as paleo cookbooks, so I think there's a bit of a changing perception because it's very low in toxins/potential allergens/irritants as compared to all the other grains or legumes.  Of course, with the carb content, not so great when trying to lose weight.

Cheese re-intro went fine.  No appreciable increase in congestion, but I don't plan to eat any more this week.  Felt good today and dove right into cleaning out and reorganizing the filing cabinet, which is something I've dreaded and avoided for months.  Wonder what else I can get done when I quit procrastinating?
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: grenzbegriff on November 28, 2015, 12:13:55 AM
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Anything else to report, like sinus trouble, GERD or digestive trouble subsiding?
I'm not sure I had any of those troubles.  Well come to think of it I haven't felt any gut pain since starting keto when I used to fairly often.  We'll see if that holds.

I do notice that I've had only two headaches in the last five weeks, and both can be attributed to obvious lack of sleep because I only gave myself 4-5 hours of sleep those nights.  I used to get headaches more often, probably a couple times a week on average.  (Not really bad ones usually, but I would feel that head pain at some point during the day.)

I've not had a single night where I couldn't fall asleep in five weeks which is awesome.  Laying in bed for hours without falling asleep used to be a big issue for me, at least a few times a week.  This gives me extra time each week since I don't need to stay in bed 10-11 hours as often to get my 8 hours of sleep.  Most days I've been wide awake in the morning and ready to go.

I don't want to make it sound like magic, but that's what it feels like right now.  If this becomes the new normal, then fantastic.  If it's just a honeymoon phase or I'm overestimating the benefits, it will have been great while it lasted.  :)  I assume there will be some negative side effects I'll start noticing.  But I know there are people who have been doing this 10-20 years and seem fine, and also if there are negative effects, I bet they're not as bad as the negative effects of my past diet. 


I do have a question -- is there anyone doing keto and Whole30 and can explain a few of the things they're doing differently than plain old keto?  Like are you cutting out certain keto foods for a period of time and then reintroducing?  I haven't read this whole thread so I don't know what everyone's doing.  Feel free to just say "read the thread" if that would make more sense.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: swick on November 28, 2015, 09:59:33 AM
Read the Thread ;)

Mostly because it is a good read! I'm kinda doing a modified Keto/whole 30 hybrid. I have allowed a little dairy - actuallt pretty much just butter which I haven't had any issues with.

BUT I strongly suggest you do a full true Whole 30 first - which basically means for someone doing Keto to not have cheese/dairy/peanut butter.  You can choose whether to have the fruit/starch veggies which are allowed in small amounts on whole 30, but if you are already in Keto, I'm not sure that it makes much sense to reintroduce them just for the whole 30 if you are planning on going Keto afterwards.

Basically, you just want to identify if any of these dairy foods are problem foods for you. There is much to learn about the emotional, psychological side of things by doing the whole 30. It might be a little less pronounced if you have already had lots of success on Keto though. If you have any addiction or problem foods, Whole 30 is grat for identifying them and giving you some space to work through them.
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: KiwiSonya on November 28, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
Hi everyone,  survived my first and only Christmas party of the season. Had my first challenge about my diet from someone who had previously been supportive. She couldn't understand why I would keep going after my 30 days was up. That old chestnut "all things in moderation". Should have walked away but didn't.  'What's moderate about toast for breakfast,  sandwiches for lunch and pasta for dinner - that sounds like a wheat feast to me!' She said she hadn't ever thought of it that way as she is slim and prides herself on being "healthy". I said this works for me so I'm sticking to it. Drank posh sparkling water and ate exotic melon and was fine with that. Nice to wake up the next morning raring to go instead of bloated and hungover.  Have been reading Grain Brain which is fascinating and Primal Blueprint. Think I will probably settle in paleo once I hit my ideal weight (haven't decided what that is yet but involves having no flab around my waist). Breakfast was kickass indian spiced ground beef with leftover cauliflower salad from yesterday.  Lunch was a small steak with the biggest mountain of clarified butter fried broccoli (thanks Faraday).  Have a pork roast in the oven that smells delicious.  Tomorrow is shopping  -hope to find some compliant smoked fish so I can make a kedgeree with cauliflower rice to have for breakfast a few mornings. 1967mama and others with kids, any food ideas that have been enjoyed by your kids? I'm offering them spoonfuls of everything I make for me but the take up rate is pretty poor.  Ks
Title: Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
Post by: 1967mama on November 28, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Kiwisonya - I'll list some of the things my kids have liked (keeping in mind they range from age 24--->7 and all but one are boys!)

-baked salmon fillets (topped with olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic, dry mustard powder)

-lemon chicken (I think I posted the recipe upthread?)

-baked or grilled pork loin (marinated in EVOO and balsamic, topped with salt, pepper and rosemary)

-potatoes of all sorts (mostly topped with clarified butter, salt, pepper, garlic powder)

-roasted vegetables (zucchini, potato, sweet potato, bell pepper, carrots, mushrooms or ??? tossed in plenty of EVOO and balsamic and sprinkled with salt, pepper and lots of rosemary) -- I can never make enough of this! Everyone loves it!

-hamburgers on the grill - easy for me to have mine with a lettuce bun

-salads - lots of green salads with homemade Italian dressing (recipe from Whole Foods for the Whole Family, minus the parmesan) - at least one salad a day with lots of things chopped up in it for interest like: bell peppers, cucumbers, tomatoes, mushrooms, celery, grapes, apples

-roasted whole chicken with potatoes and carrots around it. Cooked 2 chickens today while away on a weekend holiday. Onion in the cavity, salt, pepper and garlic and rosemary on the outside. Probably 4 tablespoons of clarified butter dotted all over this. Picture the biggest roaster you can buy. 10 pounds of potatoes. 2 very large chickens. That's how you feed my big fam! hahah!

The kids are "moving toward" a Whole30/Paleo diet. I'm buying much healthier fare and trying to keep snacks ready to go like: carrot and celery sticks in cold water in the fridge, fresh fruit available anytime, ants on a log, apple and almond butter. I read a great line in "Everyday Paleo" by Sarah Fragoso today. She had a realization a few months into her healthy eating journey how she was feeling so great and sitting down with her family to eat and they were all eating the food that used to make her feel so awful. That really struck me. FANTASTIC recipes in this book, btw. I plan to write some out when I get home. Easy recipes that are quick to prepare and use many of the ingredients I already have in my kitchen. I have to tread very carefully with the kids so they don't revolt! haha

Hope that helps!
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