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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1000 on: December 01, 2023, 11:35:44 AM »
Yeah sadly that post that he agreed with, in writing, is not only antisemitic, it is straight up nonsensical. He’s completely addicted to the platform, always has been, and as a result is prone to participating in and perpetuating the kind of intellectual outrage porn that it facilitates. Clearly he tried to then walk it back by going to Israel.

Ultimately, we’re arguing with someone who is addicted — not to ketamine, but to Twitter.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1001 on: December 01, 2023, 12:09:24 PM »
I understood the nuance of declining advertiser money that is tied to editorial requirements. This is the game that all media plays, constantly. But where Musk seemed unhinged and angry is when he subsequently said that the platform will die because advertisers will have killed it (and that he will document this in great detail, and “Earth” will be the judge).

So which is it, Musk? Are you able to decline advertising or are you not?

It's also not normal to take it so personally. When I declined projects because the client was too troublesome, or the work wasn't interesting, I didn't send the client an email stating "Your project sounds boring and I don't need your money. Go. Fuck. Yourself."

Did you see the video where he said this? It seemed absolutely clear to me that he was expecting to get a massive round of applause when he uttered those words. In fact, what he got was kind of silence, and a few laughs (which most certainly were not "with" him). So he said it again. And then again. Like, he really wants people to believe he doesn't care what others think of him, sooooo sooo badly. But it's so transparently the opposite.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1002 on: December 01, 2023, 12:14:10 PM »
This was a good read:
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/elon-musk-nyt-interview-18524602.php

Good grief - now I know more about Musk than I ever wanted to.

At the very least, Musk is making a convincing case that billionaires are a disaster for everyone including themselves.

This might seem off topic but Musk and consorts´ inane ideas about how the future ought to be ask for a look at an alternate and saner view of the world.

Enjoy:

A glimpse of the world’s heart
I tried to go to a sacred place atop a mountain
But there are some places we cannot go – and some things we cannot know
1 December 2023

After an hour comes a break in the canopy ahead. There are distant plots of maize, cooking smoke rising from conical roofs. Above soar the summits of the sierra, so close yet unreachable. At first, I think I am seeing cloud in the whiteness of their peaks; in this dripping heat, it takes some time to recognise it as snow.

This is as close as I will come to the Heart of the World.

There are some places we cannot go; some things are not ours to know. After centuries of exploration, colonisation and exploitation, perhaps we are entering a time when travellers (and travel writers) must recognise the extractive impulses that drive us forwards.


https://aeon.co/essays/on-the-intangible-border-of-the-kogis-sacred-mountains

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1003 on: December 01, 2023, 01:14:49 PM »
The platform dying because of it is where I think he's being facetious and not forthcoming. If X is dead by the end of 2024 or 2025, ok, but I think in those comments he is directly targeting those businesses for jumping on calling him antisemitic when he clearly isn't. That is personal (the most recent boycott anyway). If someone walked into my business and judged my character that way out of context, I might tell them to fuck off too.

That way out of context? Did you read the post he agreed with? Are you suggesting that he was too stoned or sleep deprived to fully read it or that it wasn't antisemitic?

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Jewish communties [sic] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.

Do you agree that "Jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites? What does that even mean?

Provide the context, please.

You can listen to what he said in the interview about it and subsequent posts he made the same day. Do your own research.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1004 on: December 01, 2023, 01:30:31 PM »
His anti-semitism has become so blatant that I struggle to come to any conclusion other than that anyone who claims he isn't anti-Semitic is, themselves, anti-Semitic and is looking to absolve their own vile beliefs by excusing his, too.  Musk isn't hiding it.  Its no long a dog-whistle.  It's a full-throated, emergency-notification, whistle blown into a megaphone. 

Anyone who doesn't see it very much doesn't want to, and the only explanation I can see for that is that they hold similar beliefs and don't want to be labeled as anti-semetic because the world at large says that concept is a Bad Thing.  It's like not wanting to be called racist because nearly everyone says that Very Bad, but also thinking Mexicans are criminals and black people are lazy. 

Musk dislikes Jewish people, buys into inane and damaging theories about them and perpetuates those theories, and thinks Jews are responsible for any number of ills.  If that's not anti-semitism, what on earth would be?

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1005 on: December 01, 2023, 02:14:39 PM »
The platform dying because of it is where I think he's being facetious and not forthcoming. If X is dead by the end of 2024 or 2025, ok, but I think in those comments he is directly targeting those businesses for jumping on calling him antisemitic when he clearly isn't. That is personal (the most recent boycott anyway). If someone walked into my business and judged my character that way out of context, I might tell them to fuck off too.

That way out of context? Did you read the post he agreed with? Are you suggesting that he was too stoned or sleep deprived to fully read it or that it wasn't antisemitic?

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Jewish communties [sic] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.

Do you agree that "Jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites? What does that even mean?

Provide the context, please.

You can listen to what he said in the interview about it and subsequent posts he made the same day. Do your own research.

I haven't really dug into details very much previously, so did just that.  Not liking what I've found by doing my own research.


Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Okay.
Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.
- https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620
Quote from: Elon Musk (in response)
You have said the actual truth
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299



Quote from: Elon Musk (taking heat for antisemitism)
And, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL’s messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.

I’m sick of it. Stop now.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724934935943979269

Quote from: Elon Musk (taking more heat for antisemitism)
The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724932619203420203


Quote from: Elon Musk (in response to the ADL's report that 72% of antisemitic tweets remain up after being flagged - ([url=https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark[/url])]The ADL, because they are so aggressive in their demands to ban social media accounts for even minor infractions, are ironically the biggest generators of anti-Semitism on this platform!
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698615533170557116



Quote from: Elon Musk (not liking the backlash)
This past week, there were hundreds of bogus media stories claiming that I am antisemitic.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I wish only the best for humanity and a prosperous and exciting future for all.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726350631181717668



Incidentally, Elon Musk launched a lawsuit against non-profit Media Matters for reporting that many ads hosted by Twitter are being placed next to neo-Nazi content (https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle).  Interestingly, the lawsuit does not claim that any of the images shown in the Media Matters articles are falsely generated. - https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23970274/x-elon-musk-media-matters-lawsuit-nazi-ads-filed

Musk also filed a lawsuit against non-profit The Center for Countering Digital Hate for reporting that Twitter had failed to take action against 99% of posts flagged by their group for racist, homophobic, and antisemitic content.
- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-x-corp-sues-nonprofit-group-tracks-hate-speech-rcna97511

Musk has also threatened to sue the ADL for a loss of 60% of Twitter's revenue - https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsuit/index.html




Anyhoo, in the most recent interview, Musk kinda apologized with the following:
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I should in retrospect not have replied to that one person and should have written in greater length what i meant. But those clarifications were ignored by the media and essentially I handed a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who are antisemitic. And for that I’m quite sorry, that was not my intention.

and says of the post that it was

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one of the most foolish — if not the most foolish — thing I’ve done on the platform.

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/23980877/new-york-times-dealbook-summit-elon-musk-bob-iger-david-zaslav

But in the same interview, Musk later doubles down by claiming that prominent people in the Jewish community fund Hamas demonstrations in every major city in the West . . . and then says of Jews:
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If you generically, without condition, fund persecuted groups … some of those persecuted groups, unfortunately, want your annihilation.



Musk says and does enough antisemitic things that it doesn't look too good when they're taken together.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1006 on: December 01, 2023, 02:26:47 PM »
His anti-semitism has become so blatant that I struggle to come to any conclusion other than that anyone who claims he isn't anti-Semitic is, themselves, anti-Semitic and is looking to absolve their own vile beliefs by excusing his, too.  Musk isn't hiding it.  Its no long a dog-whistle.  It's a full-throated, emergency-notification, whistle blown into a megaphone. 

Anyone who doesn't see it very much doesn't want to, and the only explanation I can see for that is that they hold similar beliefs and don't want to be labeled as anti-semetic because the world at large says that concept is a Bad Thing.  It's like not wanting to be called racist because nearly everyone says that Very Bad, but also thinking Mexicans are criminals and black people are lazy. 

Musk dislikes Jewish people, buys into inane and damaging theories about them and perpetuates those theories, and thinks Jews are responsible for any number of ills.  If that's not anti-semitism, what on earth would be?

They have become desensitized to antisemitic/racist speech because they associate with like minded people who have convinced each other that they are not antisemitic but ... or not racist but ... and act as if such "disclaimers" magically count for something outside their circles. That's why they whine so much when called out for it.

The tweet Musk endorsed is actually a combination of the generically racist great replacement theory and the, specifically antisemitic, Jewish conspiracy against the majority white population - standard fascist fare.

Musk may be too drug-addled or otherwise impaired to sort it out - but it is rather obvious to anyone who is not expending mental energy in order not to see it.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2023, 02:29:29 PM by PeteD01 »

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1007 on: December 01, 2023, 02:28:56 PM »
His anti-semitism has become so blatant that I struggle to come to any conclusion other than that anyone who claims he isn't anti-Semitic is, themselves, anti-Semitic and is looking to absolve their own vile beliefs by excusing his, too.  Musk isn't hiding it.  Its no long a dog-whistle.  It's a full-throated, emergency-notification, whistle blown into a megaphone. 

Anyone who doesn't see it very much doesn't want to, and the only explanation I can see for that is that they hold similar beliefs and don't want to be labeled as anti-semetic because the world at large says that concept is a Bad Thing.  It's like not wanting to be called racist because nearly everyone says that Very Bad, but also thinking Mexicans are criminals and black people are lazy. 

Musk dislikes Jewish people, buys into inane and damaging theories about them and perpetuates those theories, and thinks Jews are responsible for any number of ills.  If that's not anti-semitism, what on earth would be?

I personally don't care what you choose or choose not to label me as.

He apologized for the post in the interview with Sorkin;
said it was "one of the dumbest if not the dumbest" he's ever posted;
said he's philosemitic;
has hosted and visited Israeli delegations numerous times over the years;
is of Jewish decent from his mom's side;
is donating to Israeli hospitals;
Posted this in Sept: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1698750300474016250?s=20;
clarified he's talking about ADL and Media Matters from his post including the ADL's revising its definition of Racism as "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

So no, I don't believe he's antisemitic. I watched the whole interview with Sorkin. I believe he made a dumb post which he has a habit doing.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1008 on: December 01, 2023, 02:32:05 PM »
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/xs-yaccarino-calls-musk-candid-and-profound-after-go-f-yourself-tirade/

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X CEO Linda Yaccarino called owner Elon Musk "candid and profound" in a memo to staff addressing the public interview in which Musk told advertisers to "go fuck yourself."

"Elon's interview was candid and profound," Yaccarino wrote in a memo to employees of X (formerly Twitter) yesterday. "He shared an unmatched and completely unvarnished perspective and vision for the future. If you haven't watched it, please take the time to absorb the magnitude and importance of what we're all a part of."

Whatever he's paying this woman in exchange for her dignity, it's not enough.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/linda-yaccarino-elon-musk-x-advertisers-1235683997/

In case you wanted to know a little more about her.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1009 on: December 01, 2023, 02:46:53 PM »

Anyhoo, in the most recent interview, Musk kinda apologized with the following:
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I should in retrospect not have replied to that one person and should have written in greater length what i meant. But those clarifications were ignored by the media and essentially I handed a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who are antisemitic. And for that I’m quite sorry, that was not my intention.

and says of the post that it was

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one of the most foolish — if not the most foolish — thing I’ve done on the platform.

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/23980877/new-york-times-dealbook-summit-elon-musk-bob-iger-david-zaslav

But in the same interview, Musk later doubles down by claiming that prominent people in the Jewish community fund Hamas demonstrations in every major city in the West . . . and then says of Jews:
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If you generically, without condition, fund persecuted groups … some of those persecuted groups, unfortunately, want your annihilation.


He did apologize.  Not "kinda". You'd know that if you sourced the interview and not stories about it which leave things out of course. Time 19:51. Here is the full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI

With that last quote: he was also talking of "prominent people in the community" with the last quote not Jews, generically. Can infer he's talking about George Soros.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1010 on: December 01, 2023, 03:05:03 PM »
The platform dying because of it is where I think he's being facetious and not forthcoming. If X is dead by the end of 2024 or 2025, ok, but I think in those comments he is directly targeting those businesses for jumping on calling him antisemitic when he clearly isn't. That is personal (the most recent boycott anyway). If someone walked into my business and judged my character that way out of context, I might tell them to fuck off too.

That way out of context? Did you read the post he agreed with? Are you suggesting that he was too stoned or sleep deprived to fully read it or that it wasn't antisemitic?

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Jewish communties [sic] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.

Do you agree that "Jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites? What does that even mean?

Provide the context, please.

You can listen to what he said in the interview about it and subsequent posts he made the same day. Do your own research.

I haven't really dug into details very much previously, so did just that.  Not liking what I've found by doing my own research.


Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Okay.
Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.
- https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620
Quote from: Elon Musk (in response)
You have said the actual truth
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299



Quote from: Elon Musk (taking heat for antisemitism)
And, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL’s messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.

I’m sick of it. Stop now.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724934935943979269

Quote from: Elon Musk (taking more heat for antisemitism)
The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724932619203420203


Quote from: Elon Musk (in response to the ADL's report that 72% of antisemitic tweets remain up after being flagged - ([url=https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark[/url])]The ADL, because they are so aggressive in their demands to ban social media accounts for even minor infractions, are ironically the biggest generators of anti-Semitism on this platform!
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698615533170557116



Quote from: Elon Musk (not liking the backlash)
This past week, there were hundreds of bogus media stories claiming that I am antisemitic.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I wish only the best for humanity and a prosperous and exciting future for all.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726350631181717668



Incidentally, Elon Musk launched a lawsuit against non-profit Media Matters for reporting that many ads hosted by Twitter are being placed next to neo-Nazi content (https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle).  Interestingly, the lawsuit does not claim that any of the images shown in the Media Matters articles are falsely generated. - https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23970274/x-elon-musk-media-matters-lawsuit-nazi-ads-filed

Musk also filed a lawsuit against non-profit The Center for Countering Digital Hate for reporting that Twitter had failed to take action against 99% of posts flagged by their group for racist, homophobic, and antisemitic content.
- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-x-corp-sues-nonprofit-group-tracks-hate-speech-rcna97511

Musk has also threatened to sue the ADL for a loss of 60% of Twitter's revenue - https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsuit/index.html




Anyhoo, in the most recent interview, Musk kinda apologized with the following:
Quote
I should in retrospect not have replied to that one person and should have written in greater length what i meant. But those clarifications were ignored by the media and essentially I handed a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who are antisemitic. And for that I’m quite sorry, that was not my intention.

and says of the post that it was

Quote
one of the most foolish — if not the most foolish — thing I’ve done on the platform.

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/23980877/new-york-times-dealbook-summit-elon-musk-bob-iger-david-zaslav

But in the same interview, Musk later doubles down by claiming that prominent people in the Jewish community fund Hamas demonstrations in every major city in the West . . . and then says of Jews:
Quote
If you generically, without condition, fund persecuted groups … some of those persecuted groups, unfortunately, want your annihilation.



Musk says and does enough antisemitic things that it doesn't look too good when they're taken together.

The key is that his activities in aggregate, his media reach and economic power make him the most influential enabler of antisemitic content that reaches the general public.

His apologies and excuses might be enough to get a random internet asshole off the hook, but Musk has too much power and influence for that - so he is facing the music and rightly so.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1011 on: December 01, 2023, 03:09:23 PM »

Anyhoo, in the most recent interview, Musk kinda apologized with the following:
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I should in retrospect not have replied to that one person and should have written in greater length what i meant. But those clarifications were ignored by the media and essentially I handed a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who are antisemitic. And for that I’m quite sorry, that was not my intention.

and says of the post that it was

Quote
one of the most foolish — if not the most foolish — thing I’ve done on the platform.

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/23980877/new-york-times-dealbook-summit-elon-musk-bob-iger-david-zaslav

But in the same interview, Musk later doubles down by claiming that prominent people in the Jewish community fund Hamas demonstrations in every major city in the West . . . and then says of Jews:
Quote
If you generically, without condition, fund persecuted groups … some of those persecuted groups, unfortunately, want your annihilation.


He did apologize.  Not "kinda". You'd know that if you sourced the interview and not stories about it which leave things out of course. Time 19:51. Here is the full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI

With that last quote: he was also talking of "prominent people in the community" with the last quote not Jews, generically. Can infer he's talking about George Soros.

Musk mentioned that his re-tweet of The Artist Formerly Known as Eric's antisemitic post being 'The actual truth' was not properly clarified.  Have you been able to find the clarification that he's referring to?

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1012 on: December 01, 2023, 03:12:19 PM »
The platform dying because of it is where I think he's being facetious and not forthcoming. If X is dead by the end of 2024 or 2025, ok, but I think in those comments he is directly targeting those businesses for jumping on calling him antisemitic when he clearly isn't. That is personal (the most recent boycott anyway). If someone walked into my business and judged my character that way out of context, I might tell them to fuck off too.

That way out of context? Did you read the post he agreed with? Are you suggesting that he was too stoned or sleep deprived to fully read it or that it wasn't antisemitic?

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Jewish communties [sic] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.

Do you agree that "Jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites? What does that even mean?

Provide the context, please.

You can listen to what he said in the interview about it and subsequent posts he made the same day. Do your own research.

I haven't really dug into details very much previously, so did just that.  Not liking what I've found by doing my own research.


Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Eric
Okay.
Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.
- https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620
Quote from: Elon Musk (in response)
You have said the actual truth
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299



Quote from: Elon Musk (taking heat for antisemitism)
And, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL’s messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.

I’m sick of it. Stop now.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724934935943979269

Quote from: Elon Musk (taking more heat for antisemitism)
The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724932619203420203


Quote from: Elon Musk (in response to the ADL's report that 72% of antisemitic tweets remain up after being flagged - ([url=https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/threads-hate-how-twitters-content-moderation-misses-mark[/url])]The ADL, because they are so aggressive in their demands to ban social media accounts for even minor infractions, are ironically the biggest generators of anti-Semitism on this platform!
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698615533170557116



Quote from: Elon Musk (not liking the backlash)
This past week, there were hundreds of bogus media stories claiming that I am antisemitic.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I wish only the best for humanity and a prosperous and exciting future for all.
- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726350631181717668



Incidentally, Elon Musk launched a lawsuit against non-profit Media Matters for reporting that many ads hosted by Twitter are being placed next to neo-Nazi content (https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle).  Interestingly, the lawsuit does not claim that any of the images shown in the Media Matters articles are falsely generated. - https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23970274/x-elon-musk-media-matters-lawsuit-nazi-ads-filed

Musk also filed a lawsuit against non-profit The Center for Countering Digital Hate for reporting that Twitter had failed to take action against 99% of posts flagged by their group for racist, homophobic, and antisemitic content.
- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-x-corp-sues-nonprofit-group-tracks-hate-speech-rcna97511

Musk has also threatened to sue the ADL for a loss of 60% of Twitter's revenue - https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsuit/index.html




Anyhoo, in the most recent interview, Musk kinda apologized with the following:
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I should in retrospect not have replied to that one person and should have written in greater length what i meant. But those clarifications were ignored by the media and essentially I handed a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who are antisemitic. And for that I’m quite sorry, that was not my intention.

and says of the post that it was

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one of the most foolish — if not the most foolish — thing I’ve done on the platform.

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/23980877/new-york-times-dealbook-summit-elon-musk-bob-iger-david-zaslav

But in the same interview, Musk later doubles down by claiming that prominent people in the Jewish community fund Hamas demonstrations in every major city in the West . . . and then says of Jews:
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If you generically, without condition, fund persecuted groups … some of those persecuted groups, unfortunately, want your annihilation.



Musk says and does enough antisemitic things that it doesn't look too good when they're taken together.

The key is that his activities in aggregate, his media reach and economic power make him the most influential enabler of antisemitic content that reaches the general public.

His apologies and excuses might be enough to get a random internet asshole off the hook, but Musk has too much power and influence for that - so he is facing the music and rightly so.


Agreed. When people say dumb things they get punished. That doesn’t make him antisemitic any more than the dumb Harvard letter kids. I’m not arguing people should or shouldn’face the music for words that come out of their mouth. I’m just saying, I don’t think he’s anti-Semitic.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1013 on: December 01, 2023, 05:06:19 PM »
Incidentally, Elon Musk launched a lawsuit against non-profit Media Matters for reporting that many ads hosted by Twitter are being placed next to neo-Nazi content (https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle).  Interestingly, the lawsuit does not claim that any of the images shown in the Media Matters articles are falsely generated. - https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23970274/x-elon-musk-media-matters-lawsuit-nazi-ads-filed

Media Matters claims they "found" neo-nazi content next to ads for large corporations when in fact that manipulated the platform to generate those placements by creating accounts that only followed people posting fringe/extremist content and those major advertisers then endlessly refreshing their feed until they finally got it to spit out a single instance where the two appeared next to each other.

So technically it was not falsely generated, just highly manipulated and then falsely presented as if it was commonplace instead of literally 1 in 500 million.

It was a hit piece plain and simple. But that's Media Matters modus operandi.

You can read the whole court filing here in about 5 minutes. It lays it out very clearly.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/view/57Y7P3A/X_Corp__txndce-23-01175__0001.0.pdf?mcid=tGE3TEOA

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7. Undeterred by the truth, Media Matters has opted for new tactics in its campaign to
drive advertisers from X. Media Matters has manipulated the algorithms governing the user
experience on X to bypass safeguards and create images of X’s largest advertisers’ paid posts
adjacent to racist, incendiary content, leaving the false impression that these pairings are anything
but what they actually are: manufactured, inorganic, and extraordinarily rare.

8. Media Matters executed this plot in multiple steps, as X’s internal investigations
have revealed. First, Media Matters accessed accounts that had been active for at least 30 days,
bypassing X’s ad filter for new users. Media Matters then exclusively followed a small subset of
users consisting entirely of accounts in one of two categories: those known to produce extreme,
fringe content, and accounts owned by X’s big-name advertisers. The end result was a feed
precision-designed by Media Matters for a single purpose: to produce side-by-side ad/content
placements that it could screenshot in an effort to alienate advertisers.


9. But this activity still was not enough to create the pairings of advertisements and
content that Media Matters aimed to produce.

10. Media Matters therefore resorted to endlessly scrolling and refreshing its
unrepresentative, hand-selected feed, generating between 13 and 15 times more advertisements
per hour than viewed by the average X user repeating this inauthentic activity until it finally
received pages containing the result it wanted: controversial content next to X’s largest advertisers’
paid posts.

11. Media Matters omitted mentioning any of this in a report published on November
16, 2023 that displayed instances Media Matters “found” on X of advertisers’ paid posts featured
next to Neo-Nazi and white-nationalist content. Nor did Media Matters otherwise provide any
context regarding the forced, inauthentic nature and extraordinary rarity of these pairings.

....

13. The truth bore no resemblance to Media Matters’ narrative. In fact, IBM’s,
Comcast’s, and Oracle’s paid posts appeared alongside the fringe content cited by Media Matters
for only one viewer (out of more than 500 million) on all of X: Media Matters.
Not a single
authentic user of the X platform saw IBM’s, Comcast’s, or Oracle’s ads next to that content, which
Media Matters achieved only through its manipulation of X’s algorithms as described above. And
in Apple’s case, only two out of more than 500 million active users saw its ad appear alongside the
fringe content cited in the article—at least one of which was Media Matters.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1014 on: December 01, 2023, 05:46:38 PM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1015 on: December 01, 2023, 09:30:38 PM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Yea, I'm not a lawyer, but Media Matters seems pretty open about what they did.  Xitter claimed that ads wouldn't be shown by this type of content.  Media Matters tried to see if they could get ads to show up by the type of content Xitter claimed wouldn't show ads.  And ads showed up to no ones surprise.

It seems the only one making false statements here is Xitter, unless there's some false statement wrapped in their reporting that I missed.

My understanding of defamation is that Space Karen has to prove:
1. Media Matters made knowingly false statements (I don't think they meet this claim).
2. They did it with actual malice (not likely proven in court, but I could see it being argued).

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1016 on: December 02, 2023, 05:24:59 AM »
More on X and propagation of white nationalist content:


"Capitalizing on conflict": How white nationalists are exploiting Israel-Gaza tensions to push hate
X/Twitter allows racists to pay to boost bigoted posts — and then cash in on ad revenue
By TATYANA TANDANPOLIE
DECEMBER 2

Two weeks ago, X owner Elon Musk, who reinstated accounts previously banned for peddling extremism and conspiracy theories upon taking control of the platform last year, even partook in amplifying the rhetoric, praising a user who pushed the "Great Replacement" theory against Jews, a move that garnered harsh rebuke. Musk, for his part, apologized for the post while speaking at a conference Wednesday night.

Still, the danger in Musk's praise also lies in the theory's direct ties to white supremacist violence. In fact, replacement theory, which was expressed in the antisemitic Protocols of Zion meant to foment violence against Jews, is at the heart of all white nationalist movement in the United States — and right-wing extremism movements globally, according to Lawrence Rosenthal, the chair of U.C. Berkeley's Center on Right-Wing Studies.


https://www.salon.com/2023/12/02/capitalizing-on-conflict-how-nationalists-are-exploiting-israel-gaza-tensions-to-push-hate/

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1017 on: December 08, 2023, 05:57:23 AM »
Okay, that is not Twitter but Tesla, but it fits in the last discussion about the genius of this person.

As you might have heard, Swedish workers are striking against Tesla after years of negotiation tries. Musk simply refuses. He hates unions. No wonder, if you ask me, because a union means he cannot decide completely alone and I think that is something he is unable to do.
 
Now, Sweden has a particular system of collective contracts since 1938. In a typical Musk move the 4D chess genius has completely ignored the intricacies of the culture that is different from his view of how things should run.
As a result all the unions see his behavior as an attack against their model and now basically everyone strikes against him, the post does not bring new number plates, mechanics don't service Tesla cars, logistics don't transport them, cleaners don't clean Tesla buildings... and now it's starting in the other Nordic countries too. There won't be any Teslas moved in any harbor anymore.

And of course Musks reaction was a tantrum: "This is insane!"

I recommend this article, should be readable with a translate program of your choice and is densely packed:

https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/streiks-in-skandinavien-alle-gegen-tesla/ar-AA1lc2Ve?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d6f7e32f3546436ea1188c98ef1f0b02&ei=11

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1018 on: December 08, 2023, 08:01:03 AM »
Okay, that is not Twitter but Tesla, but it fits in the last discussion about the genius of this person.

As you might have heard, Swedish workers are striking against Tesla after years of negotiation tries. Musk simply refuses. He hates unions. No wonder, if you ask me, because a union means he cannot decide completely alone and I think that is something he is unable to do.
 
Now, Sweden has a particular system of collective contracts since 1938. In a typical Musk move the 4D chess genius has completely ignored the intricacies of the culture that is different from his view of how things should run.
As a result all the unions see his behavior as an attack against their model and now basically everyone strikes against him, the post does not bring new number plates, mechanics don't service Tesla cars, logistics don't transport them, cleaners don't clean Tesla buildings... and now it's starting in the other Nordic countries too. There won't be any Teslas moved in any harbor anymore.

And of course Musks reaction was a tantrum: "This is insane!"

I recommend this article, should be readable with a translate program of your choice and is densely packed:

https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/streiks-in-skandinavien-alle-gegen-tesla/ar-AA1lc2Ve?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d6f7e32f3546436ea1188c98ef1f0b02&ei=11

Yeah, the thing is that's exactly the MO that made him successful, so of course it's what he does.

He entire thing is to not respect the rules and expectations of established systems, and to push staff as hard as humanly possible, which according to him isn't just about squeezing more productivity out of them. Because his background is working with scrappy, young startup engineers, he truly believes that people do their best, most creative, most driven work when they are pushed to the very limits of their exhaustion.

Except, as we addressed earlier, that may be quite true in a startup culture where that's the expectation going in and where there's a massive IPO payoff, but it doesn't work so well for people who didn't sign up for that life.

He sees reasonable work-life balance as a fundamental barrier to innovation and success.

So yes, disrespecting the rules and customs of an established union system in a worker's rights country and having callous disregard for the wants and needs of his staff isn't a flaw in his reasoning, it's a feature. This isn't evidence of his becoming unreasonable and foolish, this is *exactly* the kind of strategy that has generally worked out for him phenomenally well in the past.

That's not to say it's smart or that it will work out for him again, good luck changing the established culture of Sweden! Lol! But my point is that the more I read about his past decisions and how they've worked out, the more I understand his current behaviour as driven by evidence, not instability. In fact, based on what has worked SO WELL for him in the past, a lot of his current behaviour is actually perfectly rational because it's been so spectacularly well reinforced as the *right* thing to do.

For him to temper this kind of behaviour, he's going to have to have enormous failures to the point that they outweigh the history of benefits AND he's going to have to have the emotional capacity to process them from an internal locus of control and not an external one. A lot of people with glory days in their early adulthood have a hard time not blaming the world around them when their fortunes change.

I suspect he's definitely struggling with public sentiment turning against him and it's making him double down on his core principles of people being too stupid and too reliant on historical systems to have decent judgement.

A powerful belief that existing systems and rules are stupid *IS* his driving core belief behind his world view and the motivation behind pretty much everything he does. And the more that has paid off for him, the more established and unshakable it is.

If he concludes that a system doesn't make sense for his purposes, then he concludes that the system is stupid. Is the public support that system, then the public are stupid. The problem is that the bigger he gets, the more systems he's clashing with and his approach that once made him look like a brilliant young genius innovator is now making him look like a psychotic evil billionaire with a lack of judgement.

The truth is that nothing has actually meaningfully changed about him. The more I read, the more I see this as quite consistent behaviour. However, the bigger he gets, the bigger the systems and rules he's challenging and the more public these challenges are.

Let's not forget that he was removed as CEO *twice* in his younger years because he was so insane and so impervious to criticism. However, the bigger he is, the more unhinged this behaviour seems because it's attacking institutions and established rules that the public actually agree with. It's not so much that he's changed, but that public interpretation of his behaviour is changing.

These days his challenges to systems are so public and those systems are so big that they are pushing back, and he's never really learned how to accept that he might actually be wrong, only that he hasn't found the right way to break that system yet. When he's really wrong, usually a crew of grown ups around him cut him off at the knees before his stubbornness can tank the whole venture. His success has always depended on people being able to contain him. And when he trusts those people, he's been exceptionally gracious about being contained despite always maintaining that he was right all along.

I've been trying to make sense of him for years, but it's only once I read the history of Zip2 and PayPal that it all started making sense from a psychological development perspective.

Most people in their 20s have failure, self-doubt, humility, and respect for systems pummeled into them. This is often especially true of brilliant innovators, they rarely have extreme success very young. Musk had literally the opposite experience, and essentially has the opposite of imposter syndrome. Unless a person or a system is serving his purposes, he fundamentally believes that it's stupid and that he and a team of people who are smart enough and driven enough can break and improve any system and any set of rules. I mean, why wouldn't he believe this?

It's created a behaviourism feedback loop where failure never indicates to him that his approach has any flaws, nor that he should stop breaking rules, only that he hasn't quite yet found the right combo of rules to break. Consequences from rule breaking are just a normal part of the process, not indicators that he should question his judgement or take rules more seriously. See his episode of moving the servers and then casually acknowledging that it didn't work out very well.

From a behaviourism perspective, a lot of his actions are pretty rational within his belief framework. His framework is just so radically different from the norm because his lived experience is so different.

I've worked with wealthy folks long enough to know that it doesn't take that much success above the average for folks to have a fundamentally altered world view and warped perception of self and their own superior wisdom within established systems. I can't even remotely fathom the magnitude of impact of the successes he had so early in life and the decades of sycophantic media coverage.

He basically can't doubt his own judgement, that ability has been conditioned out of him up to this point.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1019 on: December 08, 2023, 09:24:40 AM »
Okay, that is not Twitter but Tesla, but it fits in the last discussion about the genius of this person.

As you might have heard, Swedish workers are striking against Tesla after years of negotiation tries. Musk simply refuses. He hates unions. No wonder, if you ask me, because a union means he cannot decide completely alone and I think that is something he is unable to do.
 
Now, Sweden has a particular system of collective contracts since 1938. In a typical Musk move the 4D chess genius has completely ignored the intricacies of the culture that is different from his view of how things should run.
As a result all the unions see his behavior as an attack against their model and now basically everyone strikes against him, the post does not bring new number plates, mechanics don't service Tesla cars, logistics don't transport them, cleaners don't clean Tesla buildings... and now it's starting in the other Nordic countries too. There won't be any Teslas moved in any harbor anymore.

And of course Musks reaction was a tantrum: "This is insane!"

I recommend this article, should be readable with a translate program of your choice and is densely packed:

https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/streiks-in-skandinavien-alle-gegen-tesla/ar-AA1lc2Ve?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d6f7e32f3546436ea1188c98ef1f0b02&ei=11

Yeah, the thing is that's exactly the MO that made him successful, so of course it's what he does.

He entire thing is to not respect the rules and expectations of established systems, and to push staff as hard as humanly possible, which according to him isn't just about squeezing more productivity out of them. Because his background is working with scrappy, young startup engineers, he truly believes that people do their best, most creative, most driven work when they are pushed to the very limits of their exhaustion.

Except, as we addressed earlier, that may be quite true in a startup culture where that's the expectation going in and where there's a massive IPO payoff, but it doesn't work so well for people who didn't sign up for that life.

He sees reasonable work-life balance as a fundamental barrier to innovation and success.

So yes, disrespecting the rules and customs of an established union system in a worker's rights country and having callous disregard for the wants and needs of his staff isn't a flaw in his reasoning, it's a feature. This isn't evidence of his becoming unreasonable and foolish, this is *exactly* the kind of strategy that has generally worked out for him phenomenally well in the past.

That's not to say it's smart or that it will work out for him again, good luck changing the established culture of Sweden! Lol! But my point is that the more I read about his past decisions and how they've worked out, the more I understand his current behaviour as driven by evidence, not instability. In fact, based on what has worked SO WELL for him in the past, a lot of his current behaviour is actually perfectly rational because it's been so spectacularly well reinforced as the *right* thing to do.

For him to temper this kind of behaviour, he's going to have to have enormous failures to the point that they outweigh the history of benefits AND he's going to have to have the emotional capacity to process them from an internal locus of control and not an external one. A lot of people with glory days in their early adulthood have a hard time not blaming the world around them when their fortunes change.

I suspect he's definitely struggling with public sentiment turning against him and it's making him double down on his core principles of people being too stupid and too reliant on historical systems to have decent judgement.

A powerful belief that existing systems and rules are stupid *IS* his driving core belief behind his world view and the motivation behind pretty much everything he does. And the more that has paid off for him, the more established and unshakable it is.

If he concludes that a system doesn't make sense for his purposes, then he concludes that the system is stupid. Is the public support that system, then the public are stupid. The problem is that the bigger he gets, the more systems he's clashing with and his approach that once made him look like a brilliant young genius innovator is now making him look like a psychotic evil billionaire with a lack of judgement.

The truth is that nothing has actually meaningfully changed about him. The more I read, the more I see this as quite consistent behaviour. However, the bigger he gets, the bigger the systems and rules he's challenging and the more public these challenges are.

Let's not forget that he was removed as CEO *twice* in his younger years because he was so insane and so impervious to criticism. However, the bigger he is, the more unhinged this behaviour seems because it's attacking institutions and established rules that the public actually agree with. It's not so much that he's changed, but that public interpretation of his behaviour is changing.

These days his challenges to systems are so public and those systems are so big that they are pushing back, and he's never really learned how to accept that he might actually be wrong, only that he hasn't found the right way to break that system yet. When he's really wrong, usually a crew of grown ups around him cut him off at the knees before his stubbornness can tank the whole venture. His success has always depended on people being able to contain him. And when he trusts those people, he's been exceptionally gracious about being contained despite always maintaining that he was right all along.

I've been trying to make sense of him for years, but it's only once I read the history of Zip2 and PayPal that it all started making sense from a psychological development perspective.

Most people in their 20s have failure, self-doubt, humility, and respect for systems pummeled into them. This is often especially true of brilliant innovators, they rarely have extreme success very young. Musk had literally the opposite experience, and essentially has the opposite of imposter syndrome. Unless a person or a system is serving his purposes, he fundamentally believes that it's stupid and that he and a team of people who are smart enough and driven enough can break and improve any system and any set of rules. I mean, why wouldn't he believe this?

It's created a behaviourism feedback loop where failure never indicates to him that his approach has any flaws, nor that he should stop breaking rules, only that he hasn't quite yet found the right combo of rules to break. Consequences from rule breaking are just a normal part of the process, not indicators that he should question his judgement or take rules more seriously. See his episode of moving the servers and then casually acknowledging that it didn't work out very well.

From a behaviourism perspective, a lot of his actions are pretty rational within his belief framework. His framework is just so radically different from the norm because his lived experience is so different.

I've worked with wealthy folks long enough to know that it doesn't take that much success above the average for folks to have a fundamentally altered world view and warped perception of self and their own superior wisdom within established systems. I can't even remotely fathom the magnitude of impact of the successes he had so early in life and the decades of sycophantic media coverage.

He basically can't doubt his own judgement, that ability has been conditioned out of him up to this point.
Excellent points @Metalcat and @LennStar.

I think the Elon-stans are more interesting than Elon himself, and a more accessible source of information. Musk is not a genius engineer or a financier, as some people imagine. He does not "work" the way we salary workers think of work - at least not since the 1990s when he probably (but not certainly) wrote some code. He is fundamentally a talker who persuades other people to work for his benefit. He literally persuaded his way into executive roles and into being one of the wealthiest people on the planet. If anything is being rewarded, it is his behavior of persuading others. He purchased Twitter to become even more persuasive. The interesting question, IMO, is why anyone listens?

Musk plays the antihero - the character who must break all the rules and demolish all that exists in order to prevail. Antihero themes have been absolutely pervasive in literature, cinema, and gaming for the past 25 years (e.g. Breaking Bad, V for Vendetta, Kill Bill, Loki, The Wolf of Wall Street, Deadpool, Grand Theft Auto, etc. the list goes on and on.). They reflect a sense that existing systems and cultural norms are oppressive, leaving heroic protagonists like ourselves with no means of succeeding unless we break the rules or crush the status quo.

This attitude has evolved into a full-fledged ideology, as expressed by strong Gen X support for the ultimate anti-politician, Donald Trump, who succeeds by being more obnoxious, more incoherent, and more obviously untruthful than his peers. There's also an admiration of the bold decisiveness of one-person autocrats like Trump in politics and Musk in business. These individuals seem to bypass the committees, consensus, legal reviews, and bureaucracy that ties up rule-followers and power-sharers. Instead of bargaining for what they want, they just do it. Instead of watering down their demands and ambitions, they overcome everyone else's objections with an expression of personal power. They are the hammer-throwers in the 1980s Apple commercial.

For a generation of young people who feel powerless in their McJobs and unable to achieve basic things like owning a home, starting a family, paying off student loans and becoming financially stable, or matching their parents' standard of living, the antihero narrative offers an esteem-affirming explanation and hope for the future. It's not you, it's the system! Just break all the norms and you can be successful. 

It's important to recognize this attitude didn't just come out of the blue. It's not just whiners and losers motivated by fiction. Rather, it is a reflection of actual failure by many of our current systems. Key societal functions like education, healthcare, and housing have been captured by rent-seeking special interests and made unaffordable. The importance of money in politics has only increased as the internet has caused us to spend more and more of our lives exposed to ads, and that means the values and interests of regular people are disregarded in politics. The middle class is in decline, and the single-earner family is historical fiction for most people.

Meanwhile, the same people gravitating toward autocratic antiheroes see the representatives of success in existing systems - executives and politicians - achieving success by being hypocrites and breaking social norms. For example, private equity executives are getting rich by looting rural hospitals and closing them. Meanwhile, members of Congress were accused of selling stock based on non-public information during the early days of the COVID19 pandemic. The judicial system cannot seem to put a rich person in jail, but railroads the poor into plea deals for crimes they didn't commit.

It seems to many that the suckers are the ones following the rules, trusting the systems, or acting in the public interest. They end up broke, working all their lives for rewards that will never come, destroyed in the wheels of unfair bureaucratic systems, and utterly powerless. Musk's fan club has lost faith in the world they inherited, but for good reason. There is a lot actually wrong with it.

Ultimately, the problems can be traced back to our own high susceptibility to advertisements, our own tradeoff of civic involvement for entertainment, and our own willingness to vote against our own self-interest in favor of emotionally evocative antihero characters who take money from people who do not support our interests.

These are conditions which led to the overthrow of democracy in places like 1930s Germany or 2000s Russia. Keep that in mind next time you hear that the system is corrupt (true) and only this one leader can fix it (false).

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1020 on: December 08, 2023, 03:10:16 PM »
Most people in their 20s have failure, self-doubt, humility, and respect for systems pummeled into them. This is often especially true of brilliant innovators, they rarely have extreme success very young. Musk had literally the opposite experience, and essentially has the opposite of imposter syndrome. Unless a person or a system is serving his purposes, he fundamentally believes that it's stupid and that he and a team of people who are smart enough and driven enough can break and improve any system and any set of rules. I mean, why wouldn't he believe this?

Isn't this essentially the definition of a sociopath?

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1021 on: December 08, 2023, 03:25:01 PM »
Most people in their 20s have failure, self-doubt, humility, and respect for systems pummeled into them. This is often especially true of brilliant innovators, they rarely have extreme success very young. Musk had literally the opposite experience, and essentially has the opposite of imposter syndrome. Unless a person or a system is serving his purposes, he fundamentally believes that it's stupid and that he and a team of people who are smart enough and driven enough can break and improve any system and any set of rules. I mean, why wouldn't he believe this?

Isn't this essentially the definition of a sociopath?

I have no comment on diagnosis, I'm only commenting that his extremely unusual behaviour makes a lot of sense in the context of an extremely abnormal early adulthood with truly exceptional behavioural reinforcements for the exact kinds of behaviours that he's currently exhibiting.

There tends to be a narrative that he's kind of gone off the deep end, when really, a lot of this behaviour is remarkably consistent with the systematic rewards he's received his entire life for behaving this way.

I saw his behaviour as highly erratic until I better understood the foundational underpinnings of it, now I see it as a much more rational and linear product of a series of extreme rewards.

Our society pretty consistently rewards resourceful, charismatic sociopaths, so for sure that could be a core element, when dealing with billionaires, sociopathy isn't exceptional, but it's been very interesting to learn exactly what the series of behavioural reinforcements Musk went through and how his particular flavour of superiority was cultivated and magnified.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1022 on: December 10, 2023, 07:22:31 PM »
Tell us how you really feel Linette! Man, the coverage on Musk is getting brutal. Hard to believe this is the same guy who was a media darling for so long.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-problems-twitter-x-tesla-gamble-luck-run-out-2023-12

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« Reply #1023 on: December 10, 2023, 07:50:10 PM »
Tell us how you really feel Linette! Man, the coverage on Musk is getting brutal. Hard to believe this is the same guy who was a media darling for so long.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-problems-twitter-x-tesla-gamble-luck-run-out-2023-12

The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

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« Reply #1024 on: December 11, 2023, 12:40:26 AM »
Tell us how you really feel Linette! Man, the coverage on Musk is getting brutal. Hard to believe this is the same guy who was a media darling for so long.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-problems-twitter-x-tesla-gamble-luck-run-out-2023-12

The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

LOL putting aside the media/Democratic party bullshit, Twitter is no existential threat and never was to any media, in the same way tat google news never was. How could it be? It does not write news, it only quotes headlines.
Well, maybe for "media" like FoxNews who only live on headlines, right wing nut's lies and rages. Because that is what Twitter is now, so there might be actual competition. But I still think the workings are so different that it's more complimentary than competitive.

The difference in the media is that now Musk isn't falsely praised as God's Son anymore, but seen how he really is. (which, surprise, was the way he was treated everywhere outside the US for most parts.)

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« Reply #1025 on: December 11, 2023, 04:00:36 AM »
Musk and Twitter in 2 pictures, without comment. (Sorry, don't seem to be easy to read)


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« Reply #1026 on: December 11, 2023, 05:36:07 AM »
Tell us how you really feel Linette! Man, the coverage on Musk is getting brutal. Hard to believe this is the same guy who was a media darling for so long.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-problems-twitter-x-tesla-gamble-luck-run-out-2023-12

The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

LOL putting aside the media/Democratic party bullshit, Twitter is no existential threat and never was to any media, in the same way tat google news never was. How could it be? It does not write news, it only quotes headlines.
Well, maybe for "media" like FoxNews who only live on headlines, right wing nut's lies and rages. Because that is what Twitter is now, so there might be actual competition. But I still think the workings are so different that it's more complimentary than competitive.

The difference in the media is that now Musk isn't falsely praised as God's Son anymore, but seen how he really is. (which, surprise, was the way he was treated everywhere outside the US for most parts.)

Right? Imagine thinking that what is happening over at Xitter is some sort of “truth-telling,” lol…

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« Reply #1027 on: December 11, 2023, 12:12:57 PM »
The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

I don't care who you are, that's some tin foil hat stuff there.   

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« Reply #1028 on: December 11, 2023, 12:22:50 PM »
The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.
I don't care who you are, that's some tin foil hat stuff there.
Guess who's not wearing their hat and is getting their thoughts manipulated?

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1029 on: December 11, 2023, 12:27:31 PM »
The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

I don't care who you are, that's some tin foil hat stuff there.

How soon we forget the efforts to conceal COVID information that turned out to be true. Or keep hush about Hunter Biden's shenanigans, which also turned out to be true. There are far more "tin foil hat" wearers out there and I wouldn't put Michael in ABQ in that category.

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« Reply #1030 on: December 11, 2023, 12:59:29 PM »
The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

I don't care who you are, that's some tin foil hat stuff there.

How soon we forget the efforts to conceal COVID information that turned out to be true. Or keep hush about Hunter Biden's shenanigans, which also turned out to be true. There are far more "tin foil hat" wearers out there and I wouldn't put Michael in ABQ in that category.

Cover ups, conspiracies, and corruption happen all the time, they're really the norm, in fact, there was a hell of a lot of bullshit behind the reasons for the near universal positive coverage Musk got in the US despite many years of this type of behaviour being well documented. If you just follow articles about him, it would seem like he took a sudden and massive change in his behaviour; however, as I've said, the more I read about the history of his actions and choices, the more his behaviour seems pretty consistent to me, which was more why I posted the article. With the context I now have, the coverage of Musk over time is pretty hilarious.

The reason people are teasing Michael in ABQ is likely because most of the harsh criticism of Musk in the article isn't actually coming from the journalist who wrote it though, it's a very weird conclusion to make unless M in ABQ didn't actually read the article. The journalist is vicious in her condemnation of him, but bases virtually everything she says off of direct quotes from Vicki Bryan, the CEO of the research firm Bond Angle, who is just fucking brutal in what she says about Musk, and she isn't a journalist.

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« Reply #1031 on: December 17, 2023, 03:37:58 AM »
I haven't read the biography yet, I've consumed enough Musk-related history for the time being to feel like understand him enough, but this interview with his biographer really resonated with how I've come to understand Musk's pattern of behaviour, plus I don't generally read biographies.

I particularly appreciated his observation of the basic, but extremely poorly understood, universal human fact that we are rationalizing creatures, not rational creatures, and that when someone is that action-oriented, they're going to have to have a lot of powerful rationalization backfilling for their own behaviour and choices, especially when faced with criticism.

https://time.com/6458925/walter-isaacson-elon-musks-legacy-biography/

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« Reply #1032 on: December 17, 2023, 02:12:36 PM »
The media hates competition. Now without Twitter being censored to toe the line of the media/Democratic party (not that there's much difference) it represents an existential threat and must be destroyed.

I don't care who you are, that's some tin foil hat stuff there.

How soon we forget the efforts to conceal COVID information that turned out to be true. Or keep hush about Hunter Biden's shenanigans, which also turned out to be true. There are far more "tin foil hat" wearers out there and I wouldn't put Michael in ABQ in that category.
I don't know if I really want to go down this road but did that Covid information have any data backing it at the time?  Did the people presenting it also give out 20 other pieces of Covid information that are still considered false?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  When people are throwing out all kinds of theories they're bound to have one that hits the target.

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« Reply #1033 on: January 17, 2024, 08:46:02 AM »
A new headline I saw today:

Elon Musk owns 12% of Tesla. That surprised me. I would have thought it was more than that. But he burned tens of billions of dollars on buying Twitter, and I guess that came from cashing in his Tesla stock.

I guess he has buyer's remorse, because he's demanding that Tesla shareholders just give him a giant chunk of the company (for free, apparently) to boost his ownership share back to 25%. If they refuse to do this, he says, then he won't allow Tesla to build products focused on AI and robotics, and will instead launch a new company to do that which will compete with Tesla.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/01/elon-musk-gives-tesla-ultimatum-another-12-of-shares-or-no-ai-robotics/

Isn't this a direct statement that he plans to work against his own shareholders' interests, one way or the other? How much more erratic and destructive can he get before Tesla investors decide keeping him as CEO is more trouble than it's worth?

(There's also a link to a WSJ article which alleges that Musk has a serious drug problem, which, honestly, would explain a lot.)

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« Reply #1034 on: January 17, 2024, 08:53:39 AM »
A new headline I saw today:

Elon Musk owns 12% of Tesla. That surprised me. I would have thought it was more than that. But he burned tens of billions of dollars on buying Twitter, and I guess that came from cashing in his Tesla stock.

I guess he has buyer's remorse, because he's demanding that Tesla shareholders just give him a giant chunk of the company (for free, apparently) to boost his ownership share back to 25%. If they refuse to do this, he says, then he won't allow Tesla to build products focused on AI and robotics, and will instead launch a new company to do that which will compete with Tesla.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/01/elon-musk-gives-tesla-ultimatum-another-12-of-shares-or-no-ai-robotics/

Isn't this a direct statement that he plans to work against his own shareholders' interests, one way or the other? How much more erratic and destructive can he get before Tesla investors decide keeping him as CEO is more trouble than it's worth?

(There's also a link to a WSJ article which alleges that Musk has a serious drug problem, which, honestly, would explain a lot.)

I think this comment under the article makes a lot of sense:


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IAAL, of the corporate type and have spent a lot of time structuring tech deals. I'm guessing Musk's tweet is related to the Tornetta case that was tried in Delaware about a year ago with no decision yet issued. That case may result in Musk's massive compensation package being struck down on the grounds that it's unreasonably large and resulted from his control over the board. Most or all of Musk's compensation is in the form of equity, so if the judge strikes down the package Musk may lose a large chunk of his options (or shares, if he's exercised).

If Musk and Tesla lose that suit, he's going to be looking to get those shares (or options) back in a new compensation package. But they're going to need a new justification beyond the incentive structure in the old package, since that structure will have been found unreasonable.

So, if and when the Delaware court invalidates Musk's existing package, he'll sign a deal agreeing to assign his AI ideas to Tesla (or maybe the whole AI startup) and the board will use that to justify giving him a new package with the same equity compensation as the package that was thrown out.

If I'm right, we'll be hearing about a decision in Tornetta fairly soon. The judge has been sitting on that case for over a year now. It's entirely possible he's recently informed both sides that a decision is imminent and Musk is preparing his response in case of a loss.

This would end up right back in court and I don't think it works in the long run, since it involves very clear breaches of fidicuiary duty by Musk and the board. But it wouldn't be much worse than what they're already doing by allowing him to be CEO of two competing companies and it would probably buy a year or two before they'd have to come up with something else.

That's my best guess as to what this is about, since it makes no sense on the surface.

Or, ketamine.
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« Reply #1035 on: January 17, 2024, 09:39:48 AM »
[snip]
That's my best guess as to what this is about, since it makes no sense on the surface.

Or, ketamine.

¿Por qué no los dos?

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« Reply #1036 on: January 17, 2024, 09:41:49 AM »
[snip]
That's my best guess as to what this is about, since it makes no sense on the surface.

Or, ketamine.

¿Por qué no los dos?

Pretty sure that is the joke. Not my joke though, but that's how I read it.

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« Reply #1037 on: January 17, 2024, 09:48:35 AM »
[snip]
That's my best guess as to what this is about, since it makes no sense on the surface.

Or, ketamine.

¿Por qué no los dos?

Pretty sure that is the joke. Not my joke though, but that's how I read it.

What can I say... I saw the set up like you did, and couldn't pass up hitting it with the obvious punchline.

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« Reply #1038 on: January 17, 2024, 09:59:06 AM »
What can I say... I saw the set up like you did, and couldn't pass up hitting it with the obvious punchline.

ugh...so it's just me being lame missing your humour, like a tool.

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« Reply #1039 on: January 17, 2024, 10:05:14 AM »
ugh...so it's just me being lame missing your humour, like a tool.

No worries, simply being Musk adjacent on this stuff both ratchets up the calliope music to 11 while sucking all the humour out of the room at the same time. Plus, you know... text and stuff. :)

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #1040 on: February 10, 2024, 05:50:38 PM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.

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« Reply #1041 on: March 10, 2024, 08:21:27 AM »
A good outline of Musk's "smoke and mirrors" strong man routine and how his bluster is rarely backed by facts, just an unwavering belief that only he can create great success.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-openai-take-over-save-tesla-chatgpt-sam-altman-2024-3

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« Reply #1042 on: March 11, 2024, 12:07:34 PM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
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« Reply #1043 on: March 13, 2024, 05:24:48 AM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

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« Reply #1044 on: March 13, 2024, 09:08:11 PM »
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

So Musk can get rich being unethical and arguably illegal all over the place, but Media Matters can’t run a repetitive experiment and then report that the thing Musk said couldn’t happen actually did happen? That’s a strange argument.

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« Reply #1045 on: March 14, 2024, 08:54:38 AM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

I don't understand this comment.  As I understand it, Musk said X could not happen. (I typed that with no pun about Twitter/X intended, I swear!  Didn't occur to me until I typed the period at the end.) Media Matters proved that X could, in fact, happen, and they reported that.  Where's the lack of ethics?  (Or my lack of understanding about what happened, if I have the facts wrong.)  If I say Y is impossible, and someone proves that one in a billion times, it will happen, they are wrong about the impossibility, even if it is still extremely improbably Y will occur. 

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« Reply #1046 on: March 14, 2024, 08:58:45 AM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

I don't understand this comment.  As I understand it, Musk said X could not happen. (I typed that with no pun about Twitter/X intended, I swear!  Didn't occur to me until I typed the period at the end.) Media Matters proved that X could, in fact, happen, and they reported that.  Where's the lack of ethics?  (Or my lack of understanding about what happened, if I have the facts wrong.)  If I say Y is impossible, and someone proves that one in a billion times, it will happen, they are wrong about the impossibility, even if it is still extremely improbably Y will occur.

The 'lack of ethics' for Musk fanboys largely seems to involve proving their God to be fallible.

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« Reply #1047 on: March 14, 2024, 11:46:01 AM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

I don't understand this comment.  As I understand it, Musk said X could not happen. (I typed that with no pun about Twitter/X intended, I swear!  Didn't occur to me until I typed the period at the end.) Media Matters proved that X could, in fact, happen, and they reported that.  Where's the lack of ethics?  (Or my lack of understanding about what happened, if I have the facts wrong.)  If I say Y is impossible, and someone proves that one in a billion times, it will happen, they are wrong about the impossibility, even if it is still extremely improbably Y will occur.

Yeah, I don't get it either, this is basic black swan logic.

You cannot say that all swans are white if a single swan is black.

This is why most people who have any dependence on public opinion tend to hedge what they say very carefully.

That's not Musk's playbook though.

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« Reply #1048 on: March 19, 2024, 11:26:56 AM »
Even if it were true that ads together with Nazi content were only shown to one single account out of 500 million (which is just Musk's assertion, and how much stock should anyone put in those at this point?), that doesn't make it defamatory for Media Matters to report on it.

There's no "OK, technically what you said is true, but you shouldn't be allowed to say it like that" condition to First Amendment law. A self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" should know that.

Good journalism should be repeatable. Media matters got lucky and made it look like it was a common occurrence. This would be like changing your entire financial strategy because a friend won a jackpot at a slot machine.

So until somebody can repeat what media matters did, you might as well disregard it as a freak occurrence.
media Matters went that route bc they wanted to hit Elon where it hurt for him, which is money, in this case as revenue. One thing people agree on,is that extreme views are amplified on x or twitter. In particular far right views. So the overall composition has changed, the level of discourse has decreased, and twitter has admitted it's algorithm favors far right content. In addition sometimes Elon makes personal tweaks to what is showcased or not. He has special privileges in amplifies and pushing his tweets regardless of how one sets their preferences or swipe history. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
I understand why Media Matters did what they did. The issue is that it was unethical.

I don't understand this comment.  As I understand it, Musk said X could not happen. (I typed that with no pun about Twitter/X intended, I swear!  Didn't occur to me until I typed the period at the end.) Media Matters proved that X could, in fact, happen, and they reported that.  Where's the lack of ethics?  (Or my lack of understanding about what happened, if I have the facts wrong.)  If I say Y is impossible, and someone proves that one in a billion times, it will happen, they are wrong about the impossibility, even if it is still extremely improbably Y will occur.
Media Matters created a new account that followed far right accounts and corporate accounts. They then generated 13 to 15 times the number of advertisements that a normal Twitter user would see.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24172816-x-v-media-matters-complaint

They engineered it to happen and pretended that it happened regularly. They acted in bad faith.

And no, I'm not a Musk fanboy. I understand that there is always more to the story.

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« Reply #1049 on: March 19, 2024, 11:47:23 AM »
Media Matters created a new account that followed far right accounts and corporate accounts. They then generated 13 to 15 times the number of advertisements that a normal Twitter user would see.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24172816-x-v-media-matters-complaint

They engineered it to happen and pretended that it happened regularly. They acted in bad faith.

If this is true, doesn't that mean 1 out of every 13 to 15 Twitter users would see the same ads that Media Matters did? So, like, 6 to 8% of all Twitter users, on average?