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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #200 on: January 04, 2015, 06:22:31 PM »
Whenever I see anyone..and I mean anyone, wearing a large diamond, I always assume it is a fake.

I wonder how many other people do this also.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #201 on: January 04, 2015, 07:17:48 PM »
Feel like I have to comment to be a dissenting opinion.

About 8 years ago I was that girlfriend demanding a big diamond.  Ended up with a rock over 2 carats.  Color is okay, I think an H, maybe?  In a pretty custom setting.  My husband took me shopping for it and I picked out the diamond from the "wholesaler".  Then I looked through some catalogs at pictures of settings, pointed to one and a computer generated the setting in platinum. 

It made me feel oh so special to get that ring.  Even though I had picked it out, and been a part of the whole thing.  Yes, total status symbol.  No denying it.  I think all in it was around $14k. 

My husband still says it was the best decision he ever made, that is, taking me shopping for the ring, going big, and of course, marrying me.   I love wearing it. 

And now I'm the one in our marriage who follows MMM and is trying to decrease our grocery bill, retire early, be less consumer driven, etc.  So I'm going to strongly disagree with the Chicken Littles on this thread who say your girlfriend wanting a big diamond is an omen of peril, doom, destruction, divorce, etc to come. 

Here's something useful which others have said, don't get up-sold on the color thing.  A perfectly colorless D gets grease, baby boogers, gunk of daily living on it and then looks just like every other H diamond.  Color is a good place to save some money.  And consider taking your girlfriend shopping for it.  That way you really get just what she wants.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #202 on: January 04, 2015, 08:21:36 PM »
Feel like I have to comment to be a dissenting opinion.

About 8 years ago I was that girlfriend demanding a big diamond. Ended up with a rock over 2 caratsColor is okay.    JUST OK??????? 

I think an H, maybe?  In a pretty custom setting.  My husband took me shopping for it and I picked out the diamond from the "wholesaler".  Then I looked through some catalogs at pictures of settings, pointed to one and a computer generated the setting in platinum. 

It made me feel oh so special to get that ring.  Even though I had picked it out, and been a part of the whole thing.  Yes, total status symbol.  No denying it.  I think all in it was around $14k. 

My husband still says it was the best decision he ever made, that is, taking me shopping for the ring, going big, and of course, marrying me.   I love wearing it. 

And now I'm the one in our marriage who follows MMM and is trying to decrease our grocery bill, retire early, be less consumer driven, etc.  So I'm going to strongly disagree with the Chicken Littles on this thread who say your girlfriend wanting a big diamond is an omen of peril, doom, destruction, divorce, etc to come. 

Here's something useful which others have said, don't get up-sold on the color thing.  A perfectly colorless D gets grease, baby boogers, gunk of daily living on it and then looks just like every other H diamond.  Color is a good place to save some money.  And consider taking your girlfriend shopping for it.  That way you really get just what she wants.

I still find it disgusting!

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #203 on: January 05, 2015, 08:41:44 AM »
Feel like I have to comment to be a dissenting opinion.

About 8 years ago I was that girlfriend demanding a big diamond.  Ended up with a rock over 2 carats.  Color is okay, I think an H, maybe?  In a pretty custom setting.  My husband took me shopping for it and I picked out the diamond from the "wholesaler".  Then I looked through some catalogs at pictures of settings, pointed to one and a computer generated the setting in platinum. 

It made me feel oh so special to get that ring.  Even though I had picked it out, and been a part of the whole thing.  Yes, total status symbol.  No denying it.  I think all in it was around $14k. 

My husband still says it was the best decision he ever made, that is, taking me shopping for the ring, going big, and of course, marrying me.   I love wearing it. 

And now I'm the one in our marriage who follows MMM and is trying to decrease our grocery bill, retire early, be less consumer driven, etc.  So I'm going to strongly disagree with the Chicken Littles on this thread who say your girlfriend wanting a big diamond is an omen of peril, doom, destruction, divorce, etc to come. 

Here's something useful which others have said, don't get up-sold on the color thing.  A perfectly colorless D gets grease, baby boogers, gunk of daily living on it and then looks just like every other H diamond.  Color is a good place to save some money.  And consider taking your girlfriend shopping for it.  That way you really get just what she wants.

Thanks for that input.  I wonder if you would care if you husband had secretly called the jeweler and switched to a nice CZ stone for less that 500?  Probably not.   In fact most jewelers can't tell a good CZ from a mined rock. 

 I think it is nice that you are still married buy you realize you are an outlier I'm sure.   In the 50/50 game of marriage the big rock buyers get screwed on the money and little else.  Or at least that is what I've read. 

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #204 on: January 05, 2015, 08:57:55 AM »
My husband and I got married on a Monday at our house with no one present but the officiant.  He bought me a $400 pearl ring I had picked out earlier that day.  We spent less than $700 total on licensing, officiating, and ring. 

Three months later we spent around $9k on two diamond rings for me and a titanium ring for him.  It was important to both of us to have a pretty, sizable diamond.  It's not 2 carats by any means but both my rings have several diamonds on them and the center stone in my engagement ring is over 1 carat. 


I think you guys are judging the girlfriend a bit too harshly -- people have certain things that they want to indulge in, and other things they couldn't care less about.  For us, the ring was important for several personal reasons, and the wedding wasn't as important, also for several personal reasons.  I have a feeling there are more "outliers" like me and DMoney than you would expect, and that we're probably not really outliers at all.

EDIT: And if I ever found out my husband had gone behind my back and switched my diamond for a fake?  I would be LIVID.  That's sneaky and dishonest and not something I would ever expect a true partner to do. 
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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #205 on: January 05, 2015, 08:58:13 AM »
any suggestions on how to purchase something like this? I've checked bluenile.com and jamesallen.com and am leaning towards jamesallen.com. I do not personally know any jewelers, but I know that retail is not a great way to go. Any suggestions (or commiseration) greatly appreciated.

I have not read through the entire thread but this first post looks suspiciously like he is spamming.  I read it as, "If you have to purchase expensive wedding rings, use these two site that no one has heard of before.  This one is the best I have found.  Now I will leave a couple of comments for legitimacy and then disappear forever." 

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #206 on: January 05, 2015, 09:10:42 AM »
Feel like I have to comment to be a dissenting opinion.

About 8 years ago I was that girlfriend demanding a big diamond.  Ended up with a rock over 2 carats.  Color is okay, I think an H, maybe?  In a pretty custom setting.  My husband took me shopping for it and I picked out the diamond from the "wholesaler".  Then I looked through some catalogs at pictures of settings, pointed to one and a computer generated the setting in platinum. 

It made me feel oh so special to get that ring.  Even though I had picked it out, and been a part of the whole thing.  Yes, total status symbol.  No denying it.  I think all in it was around $14k. 

My husband still says it was the best decision he ever made, that is, taking me shopping for the ring, going big, and of course, marrying me.   I love wearing it. 

And now I'm the one in our marriage who follows MMM and is trying to decrease our grocery bill, retire early, be less consumer driven, etc.  So I'm going to strongly disagree with the Chicken Littles on this thread who say your girlfriend wanting a big diamond is an omen of peril, doom, destruction, divorce, etc to come. 

Here's something useful which others have said, don't get up-sold on the color thing.  A perfectly colorless D gets grease, baby boogers, gunk of daily living on it and then looks just like every other H diamond.  Color is a good place to save some money.  And consider taking your girlfriend shopping for it.  That way you really get just what she wants.

Thanks for that input.  I wonder if you would care if you husband had secretly called the jeweler and switched to a nice CZ stone for less that 500?  Probably not.   In fact most jewelers can't tell a good CZ from a mined rock. 

 I think it is nice that you are still married buy you realize you are an outlier I'm sure.   In the 50/50 game of marriage the big rock buyers get screwed on the money and little else.  Or at least that is what I've read.

It is not difficult to tell a CZ from a diamond.  Any jeweler who has half a clue can do that.  Moissanite is a little closer, but there are testers than detect it just fine.  If my husband secretly tried to deceive me about a diamond or anything else, that might be the end of the relationship because it certainly would destroy my ability to trust him. 

I'm another woman with a nice engagement ring who has been married for a very long time.  In fact, that description would fit all the women in my family and in my husband's family.  Marriage is certainly a crap shoot, but there are so many factors that play into it that claiming a marriage is doomed because the woman wants a diamond ring is ridiculous.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #207 on: January 05, 2015, 09:21:02 AM »
any suggestions on how to purchase something like this? I've checked bluenile.com and jamesallen.com and am leaning towards jamesallen.com. I do not personally know any jewelers, but I know that retail is not a great way to go. Any suggestions (or commiseration) greatly appreciated.

I have not read through the entire thread but this first post looks suspiciously like he is spamming.  I read it as, "If you have to purchase expensive wedding rings, use these two site that no one has heard of before.  This one is the best I have found.  Now I will leave a couple of comments for legitimacy and then disappear forever."

I'm pretty sure there are some moisannote sock puppets in here.  We actually got moisannite and id recommend it for smaller stones, but some of these testimonials are straight out of ad copy.

Feel like I have to comment to be a dissenting opinion.

About 8 years ago I was that girlfriend demanding a big diamond.  Ended up with a rock over 2 carats.  Color is okay, I think an H, maybe?  In a pretty custom setting.  My husband took me shopping for it and I picked out the diamond from the "wholesaler".  Then I looked through some catalogs at pictures of settings, pointed to one and a computer generated the setting in platinum. 

It made me feel oh so special to get that ring.  Even though I had picked it out, and been a part of the whole thing.  Yes, total status symbol.  No denying it.  I think all in it was around $14k. 

My husband still says it was the best decision he ever made, that is, taking me shopping for the ring, going big, and of course, marrying me.   I love wearing it. 

And now I'm the one in our marriage who follows MMM and is trying to decrease our grocery bill, retire early, be less consumer driven, etc.  So I'm going to strongly disagree with the Chicken Littles on this thread who say your girlfriend wanting a big diamond is an omen of peril, doom, destruction, divorce, etc to come. 

Here's something useful which others have said, don't get up-sold on the color thing.  A perfectly colorless D gets grease, baby boogers, gunk of daily living on it and then looks just like every other H diamond.  Color is a good place to save some money.  And consider taking your girlfriend shopping for it.  That way you really get just what she wants.

You have to save a whole lot on your grocery bill to make up for a $14k bauble.  Think $3/day in lost returns for eternity.  Everyone is entitled to weigh their own preferences (maybe you'd happily pay $3/day to pay for your ring) but to me that's quite a bit

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #208 on: January 05, 2015, 11:48:58 AM »
My husband and I got married on a Monday at our house with no one present but the officiant.  He bought me a $400 pearl ring I had picked out earlier that day.  We spent less than $700 total on licensing, officiating, and ring. 

Three months later we spent around $9k on two diamond rings for me and a titanium ring for him.  It was important to both of us to have a pretty, sizable diamond.  It's not 2 carats by any means but both my rings have several diamonds on them and the center stone in my engagement ring is over 1 carat. 


I think you guys are judging the girlfriend a bit too harshly -- people have certain things that they want to indulge in, and other things they couldn't care less about.  For us, the ring was important for several personal reasons, and the wedding wasn't as important, also for several personal reasons.  I have a feeling there are more "outliers" like me and DMoney than you would expect, and that we're probably not really outliers at all.

EDIT: And if I ever found out my husband had gone behind my back and switched my diamond for a fake?  I would be LIVID.  That's sneaky and dishonest and not something I would ever expect a true partner to do.

Yes.  I'm another.  I didn't say it above initially because I figured once I did, people would immediately dismiss what I said without considering it.  I wanted a nice ring because I planned to wear it every day, for the rest of my life - unlike any other jewelry, clothing or any other item I would own.  So we picked out a ring that was $8K and paid cash for it.  We would have saved quite a bit more if DH had been willing to reach out to his contact in the diamond wholesale business (like everyone else who knows the friend has done). 

Meanwhile, I don't have fancy clothes, purses, or other jewelry (except a pair of sapphire earring DH gave me on our wedding day, which I'd like to note, I did not request or even hint at.  I was entirely surprised.)  I've declined the offer of a sapphire necklace to match the earrings.  I'm pushing for keeping our 2002 Honda Civic is longer when he'd like to replace with new.  I coupon, shop sales, put off buying things (DH thinks I don't buy things I need, but I do, just not wants!), cook from scratch using sale items and coupons, canceled cable, found a way to save on trash, negotiate with internet provider, wedding vendors etc....  Most of this I did before MMM - MMM just gave me more ideas, not the drive.

Contrary to the sentiments boldly proclaimed here without support, wanting ONE nice expensive thing is not a guarantee of a slippery slope down the road of consumerism.  (And also, let s/he without any consumer vices throw the first stone.)  That said, I agree that she ought to be able to articulate a reason for it, and consider options presented here to cut the price tag down.  And he always has the option to refuse.  But like caliq, I would find it utterly abhorrent for my husband to lie to me; to be dishonest about it would severely shake my trust in our relationship.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #209 on: January 05, 2015, 02:37:21 PM »
I haven't read this entire thread yet, but my first suggestion would be to join Pricescope.com. There you'll find lots of information on diamonds and on getting the best value when purchasing diamonds.

I've never put pressure on men to buy me expensive things. I would've loved any ring my fiancee picked out for me. He ultimately asked for my help picking out a stone and setting, since I know something about gems and jewelry. I offered to split the cost of the ring with him (he refused), and then offered to buy him a ring for himself (he accepted).

I liked the early suggestion one poster made of asking your fiancee to buy you something equivalent in price. This is, after all, 2015. Or you can ask her to cover half the cost of her two carat diamond. Neither of these may go over well, but if she considers the act of plunking down $12,500 of her hard-earned cash for one-half of a ring, she may begin to see the benefit of smaller stones, or vintage non-diamonds.

Good rubies, sapphires, emeralds, tanzanites, alexandrites (they change color, too!), and certain types of demantoid garnets are among the rarest of stones. Vintage rings set with these gems would be a great replacement, but only if your fiancee would really like a different gem. White diamonds aren't rare; they're actually the most common gem. They've simply benefited from a long and effective marketing (and hoarding) campaign by De Beers.

http://www.gemsociety.org/article/are-diamonds-really-rare/

If she's still determined to have a large diamond, I'd consider cut quality the most important aspect. Without an ideal cut, the stone won't be as lively as possible. If you get an ideal cut (you can read up on how to review a stone's cut measurements), you may be able to purchase a 1.5 carat stone with better presence than a standard or very well cut 2 ct. I'd also suggest going with AGS or GIA rated diamonds. Since not all cuts rated "excellent" or "ideal" are equal, review the diamond measurements themselves (and, obviously, how the stones present in person) to determine the best cut for you.

http://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

As you already know, don't go to a retail jewelry store (Tiffany, Cartier, etc). They don't give out enough information on the stones they sell, and their markups are insane. De Beers has already ensured the price of diamonds will probably never be equivalent to their real value, so I personally wouldn't allow a retail store to add to the already-crazy diamond markup.
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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #210 on: January 05, 2015, 04:36:04 PM »
I really think it is something a lot of girls have had in their head since a young age. The power of marketing, I guess. Reason goes out the window.

Man, sometimes I read these forums and think my husband does not appreciate me enough. We got engaged without any ring and had a nice low-key wedding, total cost probably under $1200 (I can't remember exactly). Why I am not constantly pursued by mustachian men is a mystery to me  ;-)

-I can relate. I've always taken responsibility for my finances, and never treated men like cash machines. But some men don't see that as a good thing; the media works equally on both sexes' idea of "status". Sad.

But that's another topic.
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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #211 on: January 05, 2015, 09:38:48 PM »
Question for the ladies who wanted big rings: provided you had separate finances prior to engagement, would you have been okay with paying for part of your ring ? If you had shared finances, would you have been okay with sacrificing one of your. (not his) "splurges" in your budget in order to get the ring? Would you have insisted on a certain ring price if he wasn't comfortable with it ? 

What I'm getting at is its perfectly fine to value and to have an expensive ring, not fine to expect someone else to pay for it / to insist on a dollar value of a gift.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2015, 10:00:03 PM »
Question for the ladies who wanted big rings: provided you had separate finances prior to engagement, would you have been okay with paying for part of your ring ? If you had shared finances, would you have been okay with sacrificing one of your. (not his) "splurges" in your budget in order to get the ring? Would you have insisted on a certain ring price if he wasn't comfortable with it ? 

What I'm getting at is its perfectly fine to value and to have an expensive ring, not fine to expect someone else to pay for it / to insist on a dollar value of a gift.

1 - we had semi-combined finances for several months prior to marriage.  We didn't have an 'engagement' period per say.  If we had separate finances, then yes I'd have paid half if he wanted.  Either way we would have combined them when we married so as a couple we'd be out the same amount.

2 - I wouldn't have sacrificed a splurge.  He was just as on board with spending for a quality ring as I was, and initially I even tried to dissuade him a bit.  He was surprisingly opinionated on the subject :D  We also received a mid-5 figures windfall and purchased my rings with a portion of that, so there wasn't a budgeting/"saving up" type issue.  Before the windfall, we spent $400 on a pearl ring we knew was temporary. 

3 - I didn't insist on a certain price or size.  We picked a set of bands that we liked and then picked a stone that looked good in that setting.  I have very small hands (5.5 ring size) and actually anything bigger than the 1+ish carat (I think it's 1.15? 1.25? idk) I have looked absolutely ridiculous.  I would never insist on a dollar value for a gift -- that's obscenely rude :p

It's also probably worth noting that we as a couple probably don't share financial/life goals with a lot of people on this forum.  My husband is essentially FIRE (not by choice, he's a disabled vet and was told at 29 by his doctors that there's not much more they can do, and he should get used to the idea of not working); I'm still in school and will have a 6 figure starting salary after graduating professional school.  I don't see ER in my future, but I certainly plan to save enough of my income to keep it an option (though technically we can both live a very comfortable life on his VA disability alone).  So for us it probably wasn't the same decision as it would be for someone who's counting down the days to ER, for example. 

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #213 on: January 05, 2015, 11:26:27 PM »
Many months ago I made an effort to see moissanite. I had to go to a jeweler clear across town, a long way away. But I was very curious because I'd heard so much about it.

They let me play with an round brilliant-cut moissy and an enhanced moissy (new, better). Most of the time I could not not tell the difference between moissy and my diamond, but then--the light would hit the moissy stones and they would react differently from my diamond ring. Moissanite throws rainbow sparkles because it is double refractive. I think that is cool. Also, I thought that it "took on" nearby color in a way that diamond does not, and that I did not like so much. Finally, some people find them to have a sightly yellow-green hue.

I like moissy and think it's a great idea for a clear-stone diamond substitute. I think I like it better than white sapphire for that purpose, I just find the rainbow sparkles to be fun and surprising! When set into a ring, most people won't be able to tell the difference between diamond and moissanite.

But I've had a reasonably nice diamond for many decades, and I'm not sorry about it. I wear it most days. Like other posters here, I don't have other "good" jewelery but for a family ring and a couple of vintage rings. I don't care about clothes and shoes and haircuts and most other girl things, and my other jewelry is very inexpensive.


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« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2015, 06:49:46 AM »
My GFs ex-fiancé gave her a cubic zirconia ring from a well know discount store in the UK, she now associates diamond alternatives with her cheap ex and insists I buy her a diamond to prove I am not the same person (i.e. cheap and selfish).

I'm really struggling with this myself as there is no way a  stone is worth an entire month’s wage. It will not put food on a table, it will not increase in value and it only serves as an eternal reminder I have asked her to marry me, I would have thought the words would be more meaningful and valuable, but hey ho!

I will save up the money she wants to buy a diamond ring and show her what £2000 looks like in cash! I think she's worth it so I will give her the option to buy a diamond ring with it, but only if she first comes with me to compare them with white gold moissanite rings.  Once she has seen what she can get for the money I hope she will reconsider the £2000 diamond ring. If she makes the right decision and opts for the £600 2ct white gold moissanite ring we will have £1400 towards our wedding!

If she opts for the £2000, I'm asking for a £2000 carnbon framed road bike for my birthday (a boy can dream)

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #215 on: January 06, 2015, 07:59:31 AM »
Question for the ladies who wanted big rings: provided you had separate finances prior to engagement, would you have been okay with paying for part of your ring ? If you had shared finances, would you have been okay with sacrificing one of your. (not his) "splurges" in your budget in order to get the ring? Would you have insisted on a certain ring price if he wasn't comfortable with it ? 

What I'm getting at is its perfectly fine to value and to have an expensive ring, not fine to expect someone else to pay for it / to insist on a dollar value of a gift.

1.  We had separate finances, although we lived together then and used fuzzy contributions towards those expenses.  (I moved into his paid off condo, so there was no mortgage, I ended up picking up the utilities/groceries instead, while he paid taxes/HOA.)  I offered to pay for something he would want instead, such as a watch, but he declined.  (He used to wear a watch all the time.)  As a side note, for various reasons I didn't really have "splurge" in the budget when we ring shopped so there wasn't anything really to give up - no mani/pedis, massages, expensive clothes/bags, video game habit, mimosas with the gals...  I still don't have much splurge items in the budget - unlike him there are no bachelor trips, I bring my lunch, I try to decline most of his suggestions we eat out (he suggests about 2-3x a week with bills of $50+ each time - pre-me, he ate takeout 95%.  Even still our restaurant bills would likely horrify people here, as I sometimes agree because otherwise he gets really upset.), etc.

2. No, I wouldn't have (and didn't) insisted on a certain ring price.  The cost came because I actually was looking for a different ring setting than the standard bucket one.  (One, I don't like the profile of the bucket.  Two, I've always loved my mom's unusual ring setting.)  My actual stone is 0.92, with two (much cheaper) side stones of ~0.25.  The cost came in part from the custom design and because DH just said "ok" to the one stone the jeweler had for just under a carat (we were trying to avoid the full carat premium), rather than shopping around to get different specs such as a lower color/cut, a better price or looking online.  I wanted us to look online, ask around, or at least ask his old fraternity brother in the wholesale diamond business (which is what every single one of his fraternity brothers did).  He now regrets not doing that.  He also now regrets not buying me a bigger or better ring (although I tell him I am happy with it), and has made noises about changing it or buying me more jewelry.  I didn't insist on anything in the first place, so of course I wouldn't have he couldn't afford it - I just explained why it was important to me, and he decided to go for it, despite his personal sentiment it is a "piece of a pencil".  (That's what I get for marrying someone with a phd in science.)  On affordability - despite being expensive on this board ($8k), my ring still cost MUCH less than the arbitrary 2 month DeBeers created guide (which would have been ~$18-19k), and much less/smaller than people in my status/attire conscious profession (law) wear.  I did decline the offer of his mom's ring from her abusive marriage though (it's one thing if I don't know the person/history, but another when you do), but he didn't want it either.

In fairness here, I think the OP's future fiancée said she wanted 2 carats through, and she wasn't looking for a specific "price" either though, so this question is a bit misleading.  It also doesn't seem like this was an issue of affordability but rather sensibility.

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« Reply #216 on: January 06, 2015, 08:20:08 AM »
I will save up the money she wants to buy a diamond ring and show her what £2000 looks like in cash! I think she's worth it so I will give her the option to buy a diamond ring with it, but only if she first comes with me to compare them with white gold moissanite rings.  Once she has seen what she can get for the money I hope she will reconsider the £2000 diamond ring. If she makes the right decision and opts for the £600 2ct white gold moissanite ring we will have £1400 towards our wedding!


That price for a ring is what I consider "normal"- it is miles away from a $25,000 ring.
But I think having her involved and seeing what the diamond vs. the alternatives look like makes sense- especially if you are needing money toward your wedding budget. (I have a friend who had the choice between a ring and new furniture for their home- and would buy the ring on their 5 year anniversary. 10 years later, she still doesn't have a ring.)


(I will say showing her the money in cash seems a bit silly though. It reminds me of a scene from Parks and Rec- the character gets like $1000 in hundred dollar bills, and is disappointed with how little it is. So then he gets it in ones and is much happier.  But then, he excitedly says "nickels!")
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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #217 on: January 06, 2015, 11:09:56 AM »
Actually, I just remembered that it used to be much more common to get an engagement watch after you popped the question. Maybe you should tell her that you expect a similarly valued watch to the $25k ring?

Maybe it would work out better if she had to match the value to give to a charity. It's a symbol that we can cherish together for ever...lol.

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I did decline the offer of his mom's ring from her abusive marriage though (it's one thing if I don't know the person/history, but another when you do), but he didn't want it either.
I find this funny...because it's just a ring.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #218 on: January 06, 2015, 11:44:57 AM »
This is also the topic that, strangely, has caused me to register.

I think that's an outrageous sum to anyone who's not filthy rich, and also think a ring like that is a complete waste of money.

But I'm not you. 

I guess there are two questions:

Can you afford this without going into debt?  If the answer is no, then I'd come up with a sum you can afford and get her a ring for that amount.

If you can afford it without debt, I might suggest just giving HER the choice of what to do with the money, as in, just give her the money.  If she really, really wants the ring, she can buy it.  But I find when I'm spending my own money, I'm much more frugal than when spending someone else's.  She might decide a cheaper ring is fine, or she might see the value of putting the  money into an investment, or she might pay for an engagement closet (which my friend gave his wife!).  Or she might just buy the ring.

Whatever you do, make sure this doesn't fester.  If her wanting the ring makes you so frustrated that you bring it up over and over in your marriage, that'll be a terrible thing.  If you can't just let go of the money, then maybe it really is a deal breaker.  No reason to be unhappy for years over $25K.

Good luck and I wish you much happiness.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #219 on: January 06, 2015, 12:49:02 PM »
@CommonCents: I took it to mean that she not only expected 2 carats, she expected that the ring would be in the 25k range.  If not, then of course it's a different story...although most ring-loving brides I know have looked up rings well before their engagement and have an idea of the price range of the ring type/style they want, especially if they've already talked to their partners about it. 

The difference between this bride and you and Caliq is that it sounds like the ring purchase was a very mutual decision.  Or perhaps the big issue here is that OP needs to communicate better with his lady.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #220 on: January 06, 2015, 02:13:11 PM »
Actually, I just remembered that it used to be much more common to get an engagement watch after you popped the question. Maybe you should tell her that you expect a similarly valued watch to the $25k ring?

Maybe it would work out better if she had to match the value to give to a charity. It's a symbol that we can cherish together for ever...lol.

Well, for me at least, I have significantly more to charity than DH, so that wouldn't "punish" me.  Maybe it would for her.

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I did decline the offer of his mom's ring from her abusive marriage though (it's one thing if I don't know the person/history, but another when you do), but he didn't want it either.
I find this funny...because it's just a ring.

Yeah.  That's practical.  And I get people think that way.  But his family still has major tension/emotional impact from the marriage which results in walking on eggshells and all sorts of complicated situations, even when they are not in the same room such as for our/his brother's wedding.  (As opposed to my parents, who are still happily married after 45 years.)  For me, while I don't believe object carry bad "juju", having a constant reminder would be extremely unpleasant and not something negative in my life I particularly need.  In any event, I wasn't excited by it and luckily DH wasn't either and didn't want me to have it (and he's the one who remembers his dad hitting his mom - and then the kids).  It was not the setting or stone that appealed either. 

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #221 on: January 06, 2015, 04:18:14 PM »
Holy shit, this thread is still going. I hope everyone saying the same stuff that's been said ten times is enjoying the circlejerk.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #222 on: January 06, 2015, 04:31:48 PM »
We used my DH's grandmother's ring with a beautiful art deco setting and lovely old diamonds.  Not only was it pretty, but it was FREE!  The ring is getting a bit fragile so I have put it away and plan to get some work done on it.  In the meantime, I spent $10 on a sterling silver CZ.  I get tons of compliments on it.  Of course, instead of just saying thank you, I usually open my mouth and say, "Thanks!  It's totally fake!"

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #223 on: January 06, 2015, 04:41:50 PM »
Holy shit, this thread is still going. I hope everyone saying the same stuff that's been said ten times is enjoying the circlejerk.

Guys, have you looked at pricescope.com????  Leave the gold-digger!  Except my husband gave me a big rock and I'm not materialistic AT ALL.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #224 on: January 06, 2015, 07:04:58 PM »
Holy shit, this thread is still going. I hope everyone saying the same stuff that's been said ten times is enjoying the circlejerk.

I was surprised too upon returning from my holiday. OP seems to have stopped participating in the discussion too so i guess he has had all the advice he needs.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #225 on: January 06, 2015, 07:07:29 PM »
I used UnionDiamond.com for the stone and bought a setting from a local jeweler. If you buy online make sure to spend the extra few hundred bucks to get it appraised by a professional - to make sure what they sent you matches the certificate. Don't forget to consider insurance for the ring. I pay $262 per year for my policy - the ring was valued at around $15K in 2008, so your insurance will probably be a bit more.

I think you're paying too much!  I don't know where you live, but I have more than that value on a separate jewelry rider along with my renter's insurance from State Farm, and I only pay around $90/year.

You inspired me to shop for other quotes. Surprisingly, I got the exact same quote from two other firms. I live in a high cost of living area :(

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #226 on: January 06, 2015, 07:54:32 PM »
I used UnionDiamond.com for the stone and bought a setting from a local jeweler. If you buy online make sure to spend the extra few hundred bucks to get it appraised by a professional - to make sure what they sent you matches the certificate. Don't forget to consider insurance for the ring. I pay $262 per year for my policy - the ring was valued at around $15K in 2008, so your insurance will probably be a bit more.

I think you're paying too much!  I don't know where you live, but I have more than that value on a separate jewelry rider along with my renter's insurance from State Farm, and I only pay around $90/year.

You inspired me to shop for other quotes. Surprisingly, I got the exact same quote from two other firms. I live in a high cost of living area :(

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #227 on: January 06, 2015, 08:30:48 PM »
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Guys, have you looked at pricescope.com????  Leave the gold-digger!  Except my husband gave me a big rock and I'm not materialistic AT ALL.

I was surprised too upon returning from my holiday. OP seems to have stopped participating in the discussion too so i guess he has had all the advice he needs.

Reach over to the genitals of the person on your left and get going. DAE diamond politics?

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2015, 11:09:09 PM »
The OP doesn't seem to be around...

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #229 on: January 07, 2015, 03:58:45 PM »
I think this thread as a first experience on this forum would be enough to put most people off.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #230 on: January 08, 2015, 08:27:55 AM »

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #231 on: January 08, 2015, 02:17:00 PM »
 The nicest wedding I ever went to was in the large backyard of a friend of the bride's, beside a stream. They rented a tent, tablecloths, tables and chairs. China, silver and napkins came from thrift shops and garage sales. Table decorations were wildflowers in mason jars. Runners were burlap. Food was brought by friends and family. Drinks were beer on tap, an awesome champagne punch, and homemade iced tea and lemonade. The bride's dress was handmade by a friend. Bridesmaids wore their favorite LBD. The groom and groomsmen wore navy blazers, khakis and matching ties from Brooks Brothers. Photos were taken by a cousin. Everyone at the wedding was relaxed and happy. I generally don't like weddings, but this one was more like a fancy picnic.

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Re: $25k for engagement ring
« Reply #232 on: January 09, 2015, 02:49:52 PM »
Update on the issue via NPR:

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/08/375756298/want-your-marriage-to-last-start-with-a-huge-cheap-wedding

"Guys investing between $2,000 and $4,000 on an engagement ring were 1.3 times more likely to get divorced compared with the more frugal fellows who only allocate between $500 and $2,000. (That said, odds are even better for guys who can drop more than $8,000, possibly because divorce also decreases with higher incomes.)

For both sexes, spending more than $20,000 on the wedding ups the odds of divorce by 3.5 times compared with couples who keep it between $5,000 and $10,000.

For the best odds, though, keep the festivities to less than $1,000."