Hey, Trump Voters

[MrMoogle]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

If you are LGBTQ you could worry that the government will make your marriage unlawful, sack you from your (military) job, provide federal funds for you to be re-educated or allow insurance companies to deny you coverage all your life because of "a pre-existing condition".

If you are a woman, you could worry that the government will remove your autonomy over your own body.

If you are a first generation citizen you could worry that your parents and older siblings will be deported.

If you are a racial or religious minority you could worry that the hate spewed out by the President gives license to all those lesser haters to abuse you.

I think the quote meant, if you aren't breaking any laws, you shouldn't be any more afraid than you currently are. 

I'm not sure he has said he will overturn LGBTQ's marriages, but I could be wrong.

From the other perspective:
If you're an unborn child, you could hope that it is no longer legal if your mother kills you.

The second one, they broke the law, so obviously they can get punished for it. 

If you're a conservative, you might be given the freedom of speech back.

[Jack]

And those who voted for Trump are responsible for it, even if they don't want to claim it and that is why we are scared.

That's a rather bold statement don't you think? I personally know of minorities who voted for Trump and not one of them would condone any of these actions. I didn't vote, don't care to, but I know of many who did.

Being a useful idiot does not absolve one of responsibility.

Interpretations of Islam Christianity can absolutely approve of horrible things.  You need to merely look at places where Islam Christianity is in control of the government to see that. 

The modified statement is equally true. Maybe we should round up evangelical Christian Americans and put them in concentration camps, since they're so dangerous? There's not a whole lot of difference between people like Pence or Cruz and Ayatollah Khomeini, after all!

Of course, that's obviously not a serious suggestion. On the contrary; it's meant to be an illustration of how horrifically misguided that sort of hateful fascist bullshit really is! The point is that freedom means freedom for everyone, even including potentially-dangerous people with ugly beliefs.

[bacchi]

If you're a conservative, you might be given the freedom of speech back.

Good point. Conservatives need some kind of media outlet to voice their views and the government needs to let them do it. If only they had a major TV network and some radio talk shows....

[ooeei]

Interpretations of Islam Christianity can absolutely approve of horrible things.  You need to merely look at places where Islam Christianity is in control of the government to see that. 

The modified statement is equally true. Maybe we should round up evangelical Christian Americans and put them in concentration camps, since they're so dangerous? There's not a whole lot of difference between people like Pence or Cruz and Ayatollah Khomeini, after all!

Of course, that's obviously not a serious suggestion. On the contrary; it's meant to be an illustration of how horrifically misguided that sort of hateful fascist bullshit really is! The point is that freedom means freedom for everyone, even including potentially-dangerous people with ugly beliefs.

My whole point is you don't blame all muslims for atrocities done by other muslims, the same way you don't blame trump supporters for other trump supporters being violent or racist. 

Last I checked Donald Trump hasn't been the one assaulting people at universities and gas stations or using racial slurs and threatening people the last few days.  The person I was responding to claimed that these acts are the responsibility of anyone who supports/voted for Trump.  I disagree.

[little_brown_dog]

Not a Trump voter but have been on an info search now that he is our president elect. A few reasons why I am holding onto glimmers of hope that we can at the very least mitigate damage (aka: not all is lost):

1.   His 100 day plan had some scary stuff in it re immigration, law and order, and the environment, but also some things that sound pretty good to even my uber progressive self. Congressional term limits and limiting the revolving door of Washington insiders and industry for example. Of course, these things are completely unlikely to happen, but still...they are there. That’s something, and I suspect many Trump voters were particularly excited about this stuff given their desire to reform politics.

2.   The 100 day plan very notably did not include anything specifically calling out abortion, planned parenthood, gay marriage, or LGBT people. Again, this doesn’t stop the republicans from going after women’s services and gay rights, but it possibly suggests that Trump is not going to be spearheading any attacks himself.


3.   Immigration in the 100 day plan specifically called out the “criminal” undocumented workers with records, not all undocumented workers, and strict deportation and arrest rules for repeat offenders. This could totally be used as a way to go after all undocumented workers and their families, but as it stands right now, it isn’t an overt call for going after everyone.

4.   Some things, like infrastructure and trade positions are actually similar to ideas pushed by Bernie Sanders. Obviously there are differences, but the ideas of rebuilding infrastructure and changing the way we view trade are there.

5.   Some of the proposed advisers like Christie are more moderate “New York” style republicans, not right wing fanatics. If I recall correctly, Christie actually passionately defended the right of a woman who was raped to abort as a form of self defense during one of the debates. It's not much, but it's not nothing either. Of course, there are a bunch of super scary people in the possible queue too…but not everyone.

Basically, given that my candidate lost (twice actually…Bernie then Hillary) I am trying to find the good in what we have so far. I don’t see any sense in flipping out about the impending conservative apocalypse (please note the purposeful irreverent sarcasm here) if there are things we can focus on to try to protect people or at least mitigate potential harms. For example, Trump's plan is an environmental disaster, but he also wants to be the best jobs president ever. Why not try to push him to be the revolutionary jobs president on the backs of big green business like solar, wind, etc as part of his infrastructure plan? That would be something truly big, and even if it doesn't change the other stuff, it might give us much more sustainable infrastructure to work with in the future. Idk maybe I am smoking something, but the optimist in me refuses to give in to panic.

[MrMoogle]

And lets not kid, the Left has as much hate as the Right.  The last 72 hours has shown that.

[Scandium]

Those crimes that happened on "Day 1" are just that, crimes. They are not suddenly legal because Trump is president. There have been plenty of anti-Trump protests and riots too. I assume that stuff will die down. Optimism is a hell of drug.

No, but they are just continuing the tone of the soon-to-be president. This hate has always been there, but now it's legitimized by the highest office. They see it at more socially acceptable to call minorities and women lesser beings, because the president has done so. The alt-right is thrilled it can come out of the dark.

[eyerishgold]

I don't know, man. He talked about "banning Muslims" and how he wasn't opposed to Japanese internment. How are American Muslims entitled when they don't want to be herded into camps? They just want to live their lives out, dude. Like any American.

This is a good example of a misunderstanding.  He hasn't said he wants to herd up American Muslims and put them into camps.  He did say he wants to restrict Muslims from entering the United States until we figure out how to stop terrorists from coming over.  It's not exactly a feel-good view, but it's a far cry from rounding up American citizens and putting them in prison.

Keep in mind, there's no part of the constitution that says we have to allow anyone into the country who wants to come over. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/29/joaquin-castro/joaquin-castro-says-donald-trump-defended-world-wa/

Full disclosure: I voted for Gary Johnson.

Let's not forget that it was a Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed an executive order to round up Japanese citizens and put them in internment camps. They don't exactly have the moral high ground on this issue.

[ooeei]

Not a Trump voter but have been on an info search now that he is our president elect. A few reasons why I am holding onto glimmers of hope that we can at the very least mitigate damage (aka: not all is lost):

1.   His 100 day plan had some scary stuff in it re immigration, law and order, and the environment, but also some things that sound pretty good to even my uber progressive self. Congressional term limits and limiting the revolving door of Washington insiders and industry for example. Of course, these things are completely unlikely to happen, but still...they are there. That’s something, and I suspect many Trump voters were particularly excited about this stuff given their desire to reform politics.

2.   The 100 day plan very notably did not include anything specifically calling out abortion, planned parenthood, gay marriage, or LGBT people. Again, this doesn’t stop the republicans from going after women’s services and gay rights, but it possibly suggests that Trump is not going to be spearheading any attacks himself.


3.   Immigration in the 100 day plan specifically called out the “criminal” undocumented workers with records, not all undocumented workers, and strict deportation and arrest rules for repeat offenders. This could totally be used as a way to go after all undocumented workers and their families, but as it stands right now, it isn’t an overt call for going after everyone.

4.   Some things, like infrastructure and trade positions are actually similar to ideas pushed by Bernie Sanders. Obviously there are differences, but the ideas of rebuilding infrastructure and changing the way we view trade are there.

5.   Some of the proposed advisers like Christie are more moderate “New York” style republicans, not right wing fanatics. If I recall correctly, Christie actually passionately defended the right of a woman who was raped to abort as a form of self defense during one of the debates. It's not much, but it's not nothing either. Of course, there are a bunch of super scary people in the possible queue too…but not everyone.

Basically, given that my candidate lost (twice actually…Bernie then Hillary) I am trying to find the good in what we have so far. I don’t see any sense in flipping out about the impending conservative apocalypse (please note the purposeful irreverent sarcasm here) if there are things we can focus on to try to protect people or at least mitigate potential harms. For example, Trump's plan is an environmental disaster, but he also wants to be the best jobs president ever. Why not try to push him to be the revolutionary jobs president on the backs of big green business like solar, wind, etc as part of his infrastructure plan? That would be something truly big, and even if it doesn't change the other stuff, it might give us much more sustainable infrastructure to work with in the future. Idk maybe I am smoking something, but the optimist in me refuses to give in to panic.

A refreshingly (cautiously) optimistic view.  I totally agree.  He's not who I would have picked, but I don't think he's going to be the antichrist a lot of people seem to think he is. 

[Tris Prior]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

A friend of a friend was in a drugstore in very deep blue downtown Chicago, minding her own business. Some dude with a Make America Great Again cap came up to her, grabbed her breasts, and said, "Get used to this!"

Another friend was sitting at a bus stop in another very deep blue major city, and was heckled and threatened for being a Chinese-American.

I keep hearing stories. An African-American getting the n-bomb yelled at him while just standing at a gas pump filling up her car. An openly gay person getting their car tagged with anti-gay sentiment.

What laws were these people breaking?

[Lunasol]

The only thing I want to add is that TRUMP IS NOT A ROLE MODEL.

My only real fear is that people will see Trumps victory as an indication that it's ok to be loud and angry and lie a lot to win.
The world is already FULL of entitled, pushy people, we do not need any more.
If anything, the world needs a lot more empathy and patience.

Everybody say it with me: "Empathy is NOT weakness and life is NOT a zero sum game."
Now repeat until you understand that.

I agree with you. His smugness is what make me dislike him, the entitlement attitute and the  "I deserve this and everything else in the world".

Smugness and entitlement make a good president? Most probably not.

I dont think humility and kindness make a bad one, either.
So I'd rather have to see a humble and nice person with guts representing a nation (not precisely talking about HRC or the other candidates, just anyone).

[frugalnacho]

 A friend of my cousin's friend was personally murdered and cannibalized by donald trump.  I didn't verify the story, but I heard it from someone.

[MasterStache]

I don't know, man. He talked about "banning Muslims" and how he wasn't opposed to Japanese internment. How are American Muslims entitled when they don't want to be herded into camps? They just want to live their lives out, dude. Like any American.

This is a good example of a misunderstanding.  He hasn't said he wants to herd up American Muslims and put them into camps.  He did say he wants to restrict Muslims from entering the United States until we figure out how to stop terrorists from coming over.  It's not exactly a feel-good view, but it's a far cry from rounding up American citizens and putting them in prison.

Keep in mind, there's no part of the constitution that says we have to allow anyone into the country who wants to come over. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/29/joaquin-castro/joaquin-castro-says-donald-trump-defended-world-wa/

Full disclosure: I voted for Gary Johnson.

Let's not forget that it was a Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed an executive order to round up Japanese citizens and put them in internment camps. They don't exactly have the moral high ground on this issue.

Are you serious? I hope this was a joke.

[Jack]

Let's not forget that it was a Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed an executive order to round up Japanese citizens and put them in internment camps. They don't exactly have the moral high ground on this issue.

Of course they don't  -- but that doesn't matter, because partisan cheerleading is bullshit to begin with. The question of what "Democrats" would do is nonsense. the only question is what Hillary (specifically) would do vs. what Trump (specifically) would do.

So actually, let's do forget who decided to put the Japanese in internment camps, because the only purpose bringing it up serves is to create a disingenuous false equivalence between Trump and the other choices now. It's not 1942 any more, and Trump's brand of injustice is no longer acceptable!

[MrMoogle]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

A friend of a friend was in a drugstore in very deep blue downtown Chicago, minding her own business. Some dude with a Make America Great Again cap came up to her, grabbed her breasts, and said, "Get used to this!"

Another friend was sitting at a bus stop in another very deep blue major city, and was heckled and threatened for being a Chinese-American.

I keep hearing stories. An African-American getting the n-bomb yelled at him while just standing at a gas pump filling up her car. An openly gay person getting their car tagged with anti-gay sentiment.

What laws were these people breaking?

I'm not sure this is Trump's fault.  Just like the riots aren't Hillary's.  Every bad thing in the US is not because of the president.  If anything this is Obama's fault, since he's the current president, and it's not his fault.  This is immature people being immature

[Northwestie]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

A friend of a friend was in a drugstore in very deep blue downtown Chicago, minding her own business. Some dude with a Make America Great Again cap came up to her, grabbed her breasts, and said, "Get used to this!"

Another friend was sitting at a bus stop in another very deep blue major city, and was heckled and threatened for being a Chinese-American.

I keep hearing stories. An African-American getting the n-bomb yelled at him while just standing at a gas pump filling up her car. An openly gay person getting their car tagged with anti-gay sentiment.

What laws were these people breaking?

I don't think we can ignore the vulgar language used by Trump throughout his campaign, and how it legitimizes such attitudes. I'm hoping the US snaps back to some level of civil discourse and doesn't adopt this crude blame-game as the new normal.  But given his track record, I don't see him changing his tone in the long run.  He can't seem to control himself for long.

[bacchi]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

A friend of a friend was in a drugstore in very deep blue downtown Chicago, minding her own business. Some dude with a Make America Great Again cap came up to her, grabbed her breasts, and said, "Get used to this!"

Another friend was sitting at a bus stop in another very deep blue major city, and was heckled and threatened for being a Chinese-American.

I keep hearing stories. An African-American getting the n-bomb yelled at him while just standing at a gas pump filling up her car. An openly gay person getting their car tagged with anti-gay sentiment.

What laws were these people breaking?

I'm not sure this is Trump's fault.  Just like the riots aren't Hillary's.  Every bad thing in the US is not because of the president.  If anything this is Obama's fault, since he's the current president, and it's not his fault.  This is immature people being immature

And the first one is assault and the last one is vandalism of private property. I.e., she should've reported that to the police and the openly gay person should have reported it as well.

[TexasRunner]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

A friend of a friend was in a drugstore in very deep blue downtown Chicago, minding her own business. Some dude with a Make America Great Again cap came up to her, grabbed her breasts, and said, "Get used to this!"

I feel like you are being sincere so I'll answer.  This one is sexual assault and battery.

Another friend was sitting at a bus stop in another very deep blue major city, and was heckled and threatened for being a Chinese-American.

This one is disturbing the peace and could be consider assault (depending on context of event).

I keep hearing stories. An African-American getting the n-bomb yelled at him while just standing at a gas pump filling up her car. An openly gay person getting their car tagged with anti-gay sentiment.

Getting the n-bomb yelled at you sucks but I'm not entirely sure it is illegal as long as the guy wasn't physically approached.
Getting your car tagged is vandalism.

What laws were these people breaking?

With one exception, those are explicitly illegal and a vast majority of Americans would agree that such activity needs to be punished.

[MrMoogle]

You're misunderstanding the question.  What law did the person who was assaulted break?
She did nothing wrong, and is now worried, contradictory to the quote.  But Tris took the quote literally.  What Schaefer meant was we shouldn't be any more worried than we were.  Tris implied that the quote meant peace on earth.

[frugalnacho]

You're misunderstanding the question.  What law did the person who was assaulted break?
She did nothing wrong, and is now worried, contradictory to the quote.  But Tris took the quote literally.  What Schaefer meant was we shouldn't be any more worried than we were.  Tris implied that the quote meant peace on earth.

Yea that's what the poster meant.  Because black people and women never got assaulted before 11-8-16.  If they did it was probably trump's fault anyway.

[Schaefer Light]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

If you are LGBTQ you could worry that the government will make your marriage unlawful, sack you from your (military) job, provide federal funds for you to be re-educated or allow insurance companies to deny you coverage all your life because of "a pre-existing condition".

If you are a woman, you could worry that the government will remove your autonomy over your own body.

If you are a first generation citizen you could worry that your parents and older siblings will be deported.

If you are a racial or religious minority you could worry that the hate spewed out by the President gives license to all those lesser haters to abuse you.

I think the quote meant, if you aren't breaking any laws, you shouldn't be any more afraid than you currently are. 

I'm not sure he has said he will overturn LGBTQ's marriages, but I could be wrong.

From the other perspective:
If you're an unborn child, you could hope that it is no longer legal if your mother kills you.

The second one, they broke the law, so obviously they can get punished for it. 

If you're a conservative, you might be given the freedom of speech back.

That's exactly what I meant.  If you didn't watch the friggin news, I bet you wouldn't even be able to tell a difference between Trump's America and Obama's America.

[MasterStache]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

If you are LGBTQ you could worry that the government will make your marriage unlawful, sack you from your (military) job, provide federal funds for you to be re-educated or allow insurance companies to deny you coverage all your life because of "a pre-existing condition".

If you are a woman, you could worry that the government will remove your autonomy over your own body.

If you are a first generation citizen you could worry that your parents and older siblings will be deported.

If you are a racial or religious minority you could worry that the hate spewed out by the President gives license to all those lesser haters to abuse you.

I think the quote meant, if you aren't breaking any laws, you shouldn't be any more afraid than you currently are. 

I'm not sure he has said he will overturn LGBTQ's marriages, but I could be wrong.

From the other perspective:
If you're an unborn child, you could hope that it is no longer legal if your mother kills you.

The second one, they broke the law, so obviously they can get punished for it. 

If you're a conservative, you might be given the freedom of speech back.

That's exactly what I meant.  If you didn't watch the friggin news, I bet you wouldn't even be able to tell a difference between Trump's America and Obama's America.

Hmm, I don't think chants of "build the wall" or writing racist graffiti with the words "Trump" on them as well were an issue during Obama's tenure. While there is still some continued crime (non Trump related) you can't ignore (well I suppose you can if you want) or be surprised to see an increase in hate related crimes. I am pretty sure that is the issue here. Not that ALL hate related crime is a result of Trump being elected but that we'll see an increase of it.

[Schaefer Light]

You're misunderstanding the question.  What law did the person who was assaulted break?
She did nothing wrong, and is now worried, contradictory to the quote.  But Tris took the quote literally.  What Schaefer meant was we shouldn't be any more worried than we were.  Tris implied that the quote meant peace on earth.

Yea that's what the poster meant.  Because black people and women never got assaulted before 11-8-16.  If they did it was probably trump's fault anyway.

I feel sure it was Bush's fault.

[MrMoogle]

If you're not breaking any laws (and this includes being here illegally), then I don't see why you have anything to be worried about.

If you are LGBTQ you could worry that the government will make your marriage unlawful, sack you from your (military) job, provide federal funds for you to be re-educated or allow insurance companies to deny you coverage all your life because of "a pre-existing condition".

If you are a woman, you could worry that the government will remove your autonomy over your own body.

If you are a first generation citizen you could worry that your parents and older siblings will be deported.

If you are a racial or religious minority you could worry that the hate spewed out by the President gives license to all those lesser haters to abuse you.

I think the quote meant, if you aren't breaking any laws, you shouldn't be any more afraid than you currently are. 

I'm not sure he has said he will overturn LGBTQ's marriages, but I could be wrong.

From the other perspective:
If you're an unborn child, you could hope that it is no longer legal if your mother kills you.

The second one, they broke the law, so obviously they can get punished for it. 

If you're a conservative, you might be given the freedom of speech back.

That's exactly what I meant.  If you didn't watch the friggin news, I bet you wouldn't even be able to tell a difference between Trump's America and Obama's America.

Hmm, I don't think chants of "build the wall" or writing racist graffiti with the words "Trump" on them as well were an issue during Obama's tenure. While there is still some continued crime (non Trump related) you can't ignore (well I suppose you can if you want) or be surprised to see an increase in hate related crimes. I am pretty sure that is the issue here. Not that ALL hate related crime is a result of Trump being elected but that we'll see an increase of it.

There were surely racist graffiti with "Obama" on them during his tenure, more so than Bush I'm sure.  I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.  Do you have evidence of an increase in hate related crimes in the last 3 days?  I guess it's nearly impossible to do, because getting a conviction will take time.  I would say you are just guessing, and I would be equally correct guessing it's the opposite.  Who can be sure?

Here's the only evidence I can find that suggests you are wrong: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-night-hijab-attack-false

You can certainly point to an increased rioting activity, but this is liberal acting out, not those who supported Trump. 

[MasterStache]

I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.

When it happens at a middle school with minorities, it's absolutely bad.

Do you have evidence of an increase in hate related crimes in the last 3 days?  I guess it's nearly impossible to do, because getting a conviction will take time.  I would say you are just guessing, and I would be equally correct guessing it's the opposite.  Who can be sure?

I said it shouldn't be surprising when we see an increase. Because it is my belief that we will.

Here is more evidence of why I believe it will increase:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/11/10/watch-high-school-students-holding-trump-sign-yell-white-power/PdBHZlaRx4VkpdcXZwjX0J/story.html

[RosieTR]

You've probably noticed a lot of your fellow Americans are scared. Particularly those who aren't white, straight, or Christian. Since you voted for Trump and you believe in him, I wanted to ask you instead of assuming: why do you think we should be celebrating with you? why shouldn't we be scared? what do you say to your fellow Trump voters who are now using his victory as a license to heckle and intimidate those of us who are minorities?

This isn't a trick question. I'm honestly asking. You're my fellow Americans, and I've always had faith in you.

I'm feeling that faith may be misplaced, especially given the reactions on this thread. So far I see the responses are basically:
-you don't have to celebrate but you shouldn't be scared. Everything will be fine and you're taking things out of proportion
-you shouldn't be afraid because you aren't breaking the law, and those who break the law will face the consequences
-it's not Trump's fault that people have taken his inflammatory language to heart
-Trump supporters aren't really racist/sexist any more than "the left" and besides see previous points
-Trump didn't really mean any of that, look at his 100 day platform
-At least one allegation against Trump supporter violence has been shown to be false so they probably all are

I think therefore that the Trump supporters on this thread don't care that there are real reasons that non-white, female, and LGBTQ people are worried. Some of it is policy-women are panicking and calling their GYNs for IUDs before it's too late. Repubs have been trying to defund/shut down Planned Parenthood for a long time, and an unintended pregnancy has huge implications in a given woman's life. LBGTQ are worried about the potential status of their marriage, trans-folks are worried about things like getting IDs with their desired gender on them, continued ability to be on hormones, and of course the whole bathroom thing. Muslims are worried about being investigated, possibly being made to "register" which Trump specifically mentioned during the campaign. Anyone of Hispanic lineage is worried about other people dismissing their right to be in the country or asking to provide proof of residency/citizenship regardless (this happened in AZ a few years ago with one of their bills too). Many black people are worried about increases in incarceration and militarization by police.
Will all of this come to fruition? Probably not. But it was all stuff that Trump implied or specifically mentioned during the campaign.

Aside from policy concerns and rights, there's the issue of an uptick in violence against minority groups and just general intimidation. Is it illegal for someone to say "grab her pussy" to a woman on the bus or subway? I'm not sure. Is it intimidating? Of course. These things ARE happening, and because one or two are found to be false does not justify dismissing all of them. Most of these have pictures and some have video, so Trump supporters who are denying this is happening are just being completely insensitive.

A Trump voter who likes his policies (infrastructure, trade, tax reform, etc) but abhors the racism would show this by saying something like "yes, I like a lot of Trump's plans but I really wish he would denounce racist and sexist actions done in his name, and tell his supporters the victory isn't an excuse to do these things." Instead we see justification of it, or redirecting, or trying to somehow lay the blame on Hilllary, Obama or the general "left".

Given all that, I'm not sure I buy the argument that Trump supporters are by and large not racist, sexist jerks but rather just support other aspects of his campaign. If the racism and sexist does bother them, they are pretty quiet about denouncing it which doesn't really help. Nor does trying to tell someone who has legitimate fear that it's baseless, when there's evidence otherwise.

FWIW, I will say that there is a video of several young black men beating an older white man, possibly due to evidence of the older man's Trump support. The attack was terrible and those men should be prosecuted. There is no excuse for that kind of thing, and I hope justice is served and the old man is OK. Nor is there an excuse to destroy property or be violent while protesting Trump. Marching is fine, burning your own stuff is probably fine depending on the circumstances, burning other people's stuff and throwing rocks is NOT fine.

[Schaefer Light]

I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.

When it happens at a middle school with minorities, it's absolutely bad.

I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

[MasterStache]

I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.

When it happens at a middle school with minorities, it's absolutely bad.

I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

[MrMoogle]

I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.

When it happens at a middle school with minorities, it's absolutely bad.

I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

"Build a wall" is not the same as "Latinos are criminals and rapists." 
I still don't understand why securing our boarders is a bad thing, other than the cost aspect.

[MasterStache]

I'm not sure why chants of "build the wall" is bad.

When it happens at a middle school with minorities, it's absolutely bad.

I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

"Build a wall" is not the same as "Latinos are criminals and rapists." 
I still don't understand why securing our boarders is a bad thing, other than the cost aspect.

That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

[ooeei]

I think therefore that the Trump supporters on this thread don't care that there are real reasons that non-white, female, and LGBTQ people are worried.

Well the OP did ask for reasons not to be afraid, it's not surprising people would do their best to put a positive spin on things.

Given all that, I'm not sure I buy the argument that Trump supporters are by and large not racist, sexist jerks but rather just support other aspects of his campaign. If the racism and sexist does bother them, they are pretty quiet about denouncing it which doesn't really help. Nor does trying to tell someone who has legitimate fear that it's baseless, when there's evidence otherwise.

FWIW, I will say that there is a video of several young black men beating an older white man, possibly due to evidence of the older man's Trump support. The attack was terrible and those men should be prosecuted. There is no excuse for that kind of thing, and I hope justice is served and the old man is OK. Nor is there an excuse to destroy property or be violent while protesting Trump. Marching is fine, burning your own stuff is probably fine depending on the circumstances, burning other people's stuff and throwing rocks is NOT fine.

I absolutely denounce anyone being sexist and/or racist in any situation, including the results of the election.  Assault is bad.  There, is everything fixed now? 

Denouncing the offenders isn't helping anyone.  The people doing this stuff don't care about people denouncing them.  That might be why you haven't seen a whole lot about it.  I will say I've seen multiple Trump and Hillary supporters post about both the riots and the assaults and denounce both.  Lots of posts about coming together. 

The people creating narratives of fake attacks certainly aren't adding sympathy to their cause.  I've seen multiple people on facebook post the story about the Nazi flag flying over someone's house as evidence of how horrible Trump supporters are and that this is "Trump's America."  It turns out it was an anti-Trump person making a political statement, but plenty of these same people are using it as "evidence" that anyone who supports Trump is a racist sexist Nazi. 

Yes, it's horrible that certain groups of people feel threatened.  I'm not entirely sure what to do to help other than be a good person to them.

[KBecks]

It's normal to be scared and upset when your candidate loses.  But you are strong.  You control your life, not the President.  Go be awesome and in time you won't feel as scared and worried as you do now.  You will be OK.  You can be awesome because it that is under your control.  The government doesn't own your life, you do.

[MrMoogle]

*snip*
I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

"Build a wall" is not the same as "Latinos are criminals and rapists." 
I still don't understand why securing our boarders is a bad thing, other than the cost aspect.

That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

That's fine, just don't call me ignorant when I asked for your help.  I just see this as freedom of speech.

[MandalayVA]

It's normal to be scared and upset when your candidate loses.  But you are strong.  You control your life, not the President.  Go be awesome and in time you won't feel as scared and worried as you do now.  You will be OK.  You can be awesome because it that is under your control.  The government doesn't own your life, you do.

^^^^^^^
THIS

[MasterStache]

*snip*
I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

"Build a wall" is not the same as "Latinos are criminals and rapists." 
I still don't understand why securing our boarders is a bad thing, other than the cost aspect.

That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

That's fine, just don't call me ignorant when I asked for your help.  I just see this as freedom of speech.

LOL, what?!?!?

Of course it's freedom of speech. I can insult a bunch of Middle Schoolers under the guise of freedom of speech.

I think you are missing a huge factor here. These are KIDS. I have a Middle Schooler. They don't understand the complexities of political rhetoric. You and I and others can see the wall for what it is or what we think it is, but kids can't be expected to see it the exact same way. It's disingenuous for you to claim YOU don't see the problem, because you aren't a Latino child, therefore why should others have an issue with it. Well because they aren't you. 

That's why it's important to understand the context of where it's being said. My son still enjoys Legos and video games. Not building walls and immigration. He thinks Trump is going to nuke the planet. That's the mind of a middle schooler. 

[RosieTR]

*snip*
I believe the purpose of the wall (which I don't really have strong feelings about, one way or the other) would be to prevent illegal immigration.  Not to get rid of the legal (or even illegal) immigrants who are already in the country.  So, I don't see what's so offensive about that.

I am guessing you are not of middle school age. Nor are you Latino. And I'm sure you've never been called a criminal and a rapist (I don't know maybe you have). So yeah I can see why it's not offensive to you

"Build a wall" is not the same as "Latinos are criminals and rapists." 
I still don't understand why securing our boarders is a bad thing, other than the cost aspect.

That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

That's fine, just don't call me ignorant when I asked for your help.  I just see this as freedom of speech.

I find it surprising and a little disturbing that you would think kids in this situation were not practicing intimidation that was racially charged. If you were surrounded by Muslims yelling "Jesus lover!" at you would you be thinking hey, freedom of religion! Or would you find it intimidating and scary, despite being factually correct (if you are Christian)?

[Northwestie]

How much more secure can our borders get?  Obama has increased deportations, crossing rates from Mexico are down significantly because of increased security and personnel.  There are so many Border Patrol folks along the border they are stopping traffic offenders because they don't have that much too do.  We have spent many millions on increased cameras, movement detectors, infrared cameras, security fencing.  There should be a cost-benefit analysis here - but of course there is not.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/opinion/the-border-patrols-bizarre-choice.html

[RosieTR]

I absolutely denounce anyone being sexist and/or racist in any situation, including the results of the election.  Assault is bad.  There, is everything fixed now? 

Denouncing the offenders isn't helping anyone.  The people doing this stuff don't care about people denouncing them.  That might be why you haven't seen a whole lot about it.  I will say I've seen multiple Trump and Hillary supporters post about both the riots and the assaults and denounce both.  Lots of posts about coming together. 

The people creating narratives of fake attacks certainly aren't adding sympathy to their cause.  I've seen multiple people on facebook post the story about the Nazi flag flying over someone's house as evidence of how horrible Trump supporters are and that this is "Trump's America."  It turns out it was an anti-Trump person making a political statement, but plenty of these same people are using it as "evidence" that anyone who supports Trump is a racist sexist Nazi. 

Yes, it's horrible that certain groups of people feel threatened.  I'm not entirely sure what to do to help other than be a good person to them.

I disagree that denouncing wouldn't help. Maybe less by us in an anonymous internet forum, but it would sure help if it came from Trump himself. Similar to how it was good of Obama to call for calm during a rally where people were starting to get heated over a Trump supporter in their midst.

As for what you can do, denouncing in real life if you see anything and taking the feeling seriously among your minority friends helps. Maybe I am incorrect, but I do not get the impression that Trump supporters are quickly removing their signs from yards/vehicles because they are worried about being beat up or their homes/cars vandalized. Violence on all sides should be denounced, but my white husband isn't worried about being mistaken for a Trump supporter in our bluish-purple area while my Pakistani friend who lives in very blue Chicago is terrified for his family-for good reason, as one of his friends there experienced anti-muslim intimidation. This is not to say that everyone is running around terrified all the time, nor that assault can't happen to certain people but can to others. But to say that I think about it more as a woman than my husband does? Yes. And that any threat of intimidation, assault or harassment has gone up since the election? Yes.

This is good for ANY type of harassment you come across:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/someone-made-a-guide-for-what-to-do-when-you-see-islamophobi?utm_term=.ydd0RZWJL#.toYJgxYBn

[Glenstache]

This is all I really have to add:

[RosieTR]

It's normal to be scared and upset when your candidate loses.  But you are strong.  You control your life, not the President.  Go be awesome and in time you won't feel as scared and worried as you do now.  You will be OK.  You can be awesome because it that is under your control.  The government doesn't own your life, you do.

I know you mean this in a positive light. I would like to explain that this feels very different from normal disappointment and upset when the hoped-for candidate loses. I am comparing this to GWB's win in 2000, which was similarly close, with the popular vote for Gore and electoral for Bush. Plus all the drama of the hanging chads and Supreme Court. Also, in 2004 when we were in war (which I had protested) still felt like normal disappointment.

I didn't have trouble sleeping or eating for several days after those elections like I have in the past few days. Then I had a feeling of disappointment, yes. But this feeling of dread and anxiety? No, not like this. Did the Trump supporters here feel like this when Obama won in 2008 and 2012? Or just basically disappointed?

[Mariposa]

You've probably noticed a lot of your fellow Americans are scared. Particularly those who aren't white, straight, or Christian. Since you voted for Trump and you believe in him, I wanted to ask you instead of assuming: why do you think we should be celebrating with you? why shouldn't we be scared? what do you say to your fellow Trump voters who are now using his victory as a license to heckle and intimidate those of us who are minorities?

This isn't a trick question. I'm honestly asking. You're my fellow Americans, and I've always had faith in you.

I'm feeling that faith may be misplaced, especially given the reactions on this thread. So far I see the responses are basically:
-you don't have to celebrate but you shouldn't be scared. Everything will be fine and you're taking things out of proportion
-you shouldn't be afraid because you aren't breaking the law, and those who break the law will face the consequences
-it's not Trump's fault that people have taken his inflammatory language to heart
-Trump supporters aren't really racist/sexist any more than "the left" and besides see previous points
-Trump didn't really mean any of that, look at his 100 day platform
-At least one allegation against Trump supporter violence has been shown to be false so they probably all are

I think therefore that the Trump supporters on this thread don't care that there are real reasons that non-white, female, and LGBTQ people are worried. Some of it is policy-women are panicking and calling their GYNs for IUDs before it's too late. Repubs have been trying to defund/shut down Planned Parenthood for a long time, and an unintended pregnancy has huge implications in a given woman's life. LBGTQ are worried about the potential status of their marriage, trans-folks are worried about things like getting IDs with their desired gender on them, continued ability to be on hormones, and of course the whole bathroom thing. Muslims are worried about being investigated, possibly being made to "register" which Trump specifically mentioned during the campaign. Anyone of Hispanic lineage is worried about other people dismissing their right to be in the country or asking to provide proof of residency/citizenship regardless (this happened in AZ a few years ago with one of their bills too). Many black people are worried about increases in incarceration and militarization by police.
Will all of this come to fruition? Probably not. But it was all stuff that Trump implied or specifically mentioned during the campaign.

Aside from policy concerns and rights, there's the issue of an uptick in violence against minority groups and just general intimidation. Is it illegal for someone to say "grab her pussy" to a woman on the bus or subway? I'm not sure. Is it intimidating? Of course. These things ARE happening, and because one or two are found to be false does not justify dismissing all of them. Most of these have pictures and some have video, so Trump supporters who are denying this is happening are just being completely insensitive.

A Trump voter who likes his policies (infrastructure, trade, tax reform, etc) but abhors the racism would show this by saying something like "yes, I like a lot of Trump's plans but I really wish he would denounce racist and sexist actions done in his name, and tell his supporters the victory isn't an excuse to do these things." Instead we see justification of it, or redirecting, or trying to somehow lay the blame on Hilllary, Obama or the general "left".

Given all that, I'm not sure I buy the argument that Trump supporters are by and large not racist, sexist jerks but rather just support other aspects of his campaign. If the racism and sexist does bother them, they are pretty quiet about denouncing it which doesn't really help. Nor does trying to tell someone who has legitimate fear that it's baseless, when there's evidence otherwise.

FWIW, I will say that there is a video of several young black men beating an older white man, possibly due to evidence of the older man's Trump support. The attack was terrible and those men should be prosecuted. There is no excuse for that kind of thing, and I hope justice is served and the old man is OK. Nor is there an excuse to destroy property or be violent while protesting Trump. Marching is fine, burning your own stuff is probably fine depending on the circumstances, burning other people's stuff and throwing rocks is NOT fine.

This. All of this. And everything else RosieTR has said on this thread.

[MrMoogle]

*snip*
That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

That's fine, just don't call me ignorant when I asked for your help.  I just see this as freedom of speech.

I find it surprising and a little disturbing that you would think kids in this situation were not practicing intimidation that was racially charged. If you were surrounded by Muslims yelling "Jesus lover!" at you would you be thinking hey, freedom of religion! Or would you find it intimidating and scary, despite being factually correct (if you are Christian)?

Thanks for the last few comments.  I really wasn't connecting the one line responses. I know a few Latinos who are for securing our borders, so when someone says "build a wall" I'm not seeing it as something (necessarily) racially motivated.  But yes, if it was a bunch of white kids chanting it at Latinos, whether documented or not, is intimidating.  I was missing the context, then when it was provided, I didn't put 2 and 2 together.  Thanks for spelling it out for me.

To me, it's pretty obvious, that the legal means of immigration are not sufficient for the work demand that we have.  Our current process is too slow and our limits are too low.  We need both highly skilled immigrants and lowly skilled ones, since those who have been around for a few generations tend not to be willing to do the same work.  I also think this will help secure our borders.  By reducing the flow of people crossing illegally, it is easier to stop the rest.

[ooeei]

I disagree that denouncing wouldn't help. Maybe less by us in an anonymous internet forum, but it would sure help if it came from Trump himself. Similar to how it was good of Obama to call for calm during a rally where people were starting to get heated over a Trump supporter in their midst.

This is true, I do wish Trump would denounce it.  It would certainly be the "presidential" move to make.

This is good for ANY type of harassment you come across:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/someone-made-a-guide-for-what-to-do-when-you-see-islamophobi?utm_term=.ydd0RZWJL#.toYJgxYBn

Also good information. 

[Meowkins]

It's normal to be scared and upset when your candidate loses.  But you are strong.  You control your life, not the President.  Go be awesome and in time you won't feel as scared and worried as you do now.  You will be OK.  You can be awesome because it that is under your control.  The government doesn't own your life, you do.

Thanks Kbecks. I appreciate the encouragement. But the next SCOTUS could likely overturn roe v wade and rule on lgbt marriages. These could shape the lives of so many in really horrifying ways.

I do think that even anonymous condemnation of Trump's bigoted views would be helpful, even on an internet forum. I don't know any Trump supporters, so it's very easy to feel like almost half the country is willing to at the very least cast a blind eye to that kind of worldview, and that is scary.

Regardless, this has been a helpful and cathartic thread.

In the coming years, my plan is to put a great deal of time, money, and effort into local politics, esp. re: climate change (though there are so many important things on the line). I do understand that Trump voters elected the candidate that they believed would best help their lives, but I do feel like he will let them down, and the rest of us in the process. Just my personal opinion. Time will tell.   

[MrMoogle]

I disagree that denouncing wouldn't help. Maybe less by us in an anonymous internet forum, but it would sure help if it came from Trump himself. Similar to how it was good of Obama to call for calm during a rally where people were starting to get heated over a Trump supporter in their midst.

This is true, I do wish Trump would denounce it.  It would certainly be the "presidential" move to make.

This is good for ANY type of harassment you come across:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/someone-made-a-guide-for-what-to-do-when-you-see-islamophobi?utm_term=.ydd0RZWJL#.toYJgxYBn

Also good information. 

From what I can tell, it's mostly protesting, with a little rioting thrown in.  It's mostly harmless and it's allowing them to get their frustration out.  The weather is getting colder, and cold usually prevents riots from escalating (where heat helps escalate).  I don't think much harm will be done.  The rioting does seem contradictory to their goals, which is what annoys me.

[RangerOne]

Whether he follows through on any of his campaign promises with regards to walls and religious immigration bans is partly besides the point. The point is some fraction of his followers are fueled by his rhetoric to escalate harassment. Similar events occurred with brexit because part of both movements was frustration with immigrants and a feeling that whites were being marginalized.

I am sure social media and the news are magnifying things but from schools to towns we are hearing about irresponsible assholes harassing minorities and gays about deportation and other ignorant statements. The claims are coming from individuals as well as news outlets. Some of the claims about such harassment may be fake to get us to protest Trump, but there are enough of them that at least some of them must be true. This shit has been going on in isolated incidents since he first started his run.

The words of a future president should never be fuel for harassment. Everyone can be a little exclusionary or hateful behind close doors from time to time when you are with your friends but we need to make sure to keep the harassment and hate in check. The thought of being harassed by some jerk off  high on Trumps ramblings because my skin is a little browner than theirs makes my blood boil, the thought of it happening to kids in schools as a fucked up joke because their idiot parents don't know how to teach their kids basic decency is worse.

I am doing my best to keep my periodic rage in check because I hope this wave of stupidity will pass and return to average levels. I don't disapprove of a conservative government and I think the Republicans have good and bad ideas just like the Dems, but I 100% disapprove of some of the rhetoric that made our president elect infamous and now for some those idiotic statements have been validated.

[Glenstache]

This happened at a school attended by my niece and nephew.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6225268-181/windsor-spanish-language-school-hit?artslide=0

it is pre-election, but absolutely verifiable.

[frugalnacho]

This happened at a school attended by my niece and nephew.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6225268-181/windsor-spanish-language-school-hit?artslide=0

it is pre-election, but absolutely verifiable.

God damn racist canadians.

[MasterStache]

*snip*
That's probably why the white kids were chanting this while the Latino kids were crying. You know because they couldn't fathom the cost.

That's fine, just don't call me ignorant when I asked for your help.  I just see this as freedom of speech.

I find it surprising and a little disturbing that you would think kids in this situation were not practicing intimidation that was racially charged. If you were surrounded by Muslims yelling "Jesus lover!" at you would you be thinking hey, freedom of religion! Or would you find it intimidating and scary, despite being factually correct (if you are Christian)?

Thanks for the last few comments.  I really wasn't connecting the one line responses. I know a few Latinos who are for securing our borders, so when someone says "build a wall" I'm not seeing it as something (necessarily) racially motivated.  But yes, if it was a bunch of white kids chanting it at Latinos, whether documented or not, is intimidating.  I was missing the context, then when it was provided, I didn't put 2 and 2 together.  Thanks for spelling it out for me.

To me, it's pretty obvious, that the legal means of immigration are not sufficient for the work demand that we have.  Our current process is too slow and our limits are too low.  We need both highly skilled immigrants and lowly skilled ones, since those who have been around for a few generations tend not to be willing to do the same work.  I also think this will help secure our borders.  By reducing the flow of people crossing illegally, it is easier to stop the rest.

Not to be mean but I thought after explaining that it was happening at a middle school, you would have put 2+2 together. My bad for not going into further detail. Just thought it was blatantly obvious. I guess some get it some don't. ( :

[rosaz]

God damn racist canadians.

It was in California. Maybe there was a follow-up story - it turned out to be Canadians behind it?