The Election Results Thread

[wienerdog]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.  You believe the MSM that you're own fault.  Now we see the real panic and to think Trump any different than Clinton.  LOL Whats even better is the people voting for Johnson and they thought were doing something.  Calling him a Libertarian is a joke.  I spent 3 weeks in Europe out of the last 2 months and I saw the same thing.  This was no different than Britexit as they (MSM) just don't understand.  Fall in line and be lemmings. Don't blame me I vote on principal.  Think about it.

[jim555]

Looks like sell everything and get a one way ticket out of here is a real possibility.
America has just committed suicide, the experiment is over.

Tangent: Assuming that you have the means to emigrate, what country do you think has the best quality of life for ER?

I could get a retirement visa to Thailand or go to England, I am a dual national.  I am already FIREd.

[FINate]

Check out Pennsylvania.  92% reported so far:

Trump - 2,655,960
Clinton - 2,653,551

Over 5 million votes and they're within 2,400 of each other.  I wonder if those 131,000 Johnson and 45,500 Stein voters wish they had voted differently now...

I wonder if the DNC wishes they hadn't interfered in the primaries?

[bacchi]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.

Clinton will win the popular vote. It's the Electoral vote that was incorrectly polled and every poll and betting line and market had Clinton winning.

It's easy to be prescient after the fact.

[Metric Mouse]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.  You believe the MSM that you're own fault.  Now we see the real panic and to think Trump any different than Clinton.  LOL Whats even better is the people voting for Johnson and they thought were doing something.  Calling him a Libertarian is a joke.  I spent 3 weeks in Europe out of the last 2 months and I saw the same thing.  This was no different than Britexit as they (MSM) just don't understand.  Fall in line and be lemmings. Don't blame me I vote on principal.  Think about it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/19/irish-bookmaker-already-paying-out-clinton-win/92400784/

These guys might feel especially silly...

[Metric Mouse]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.

Clinton will win the popular vote. It's the Electoral vote that was incorrectly polled and every poll and betting line and market had Clinton winning.

It's easy to be prescient after the fact.

I'd actually guess the exact opposite: Trump win the popular vote with a loss in the electoral college.  Guess we'll find out in a few hours!

[Hadilly]

ARS: interesting about the evangelicals. I didn't know that.

[wienerdog]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.  You believe the MSM that you're own fault.  Now we see the real panic and to think Trump any different than Clinton.  LOL Whats even better is the people voting for Johnson and they thought were doing something.  Calling him a Libertarian is a joke.  I spent 3 weeks in Europe out of the last 2 months and I saw the same thing.  This was no different than Britexit as they (MSM) just don't understand.  Fall in line and be lemmings. Don't blame me I vote on principal.  Think about it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/19/irish-bookmaker-already-paying-out-clinton-win/92400784/

These guys might feel especially silly...

Maybe a good buy market in the morning?

[arebelspy]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.

Clinton will win the popular vote. It's the Electoral vote that was incorrectly polled and every poll and betting line and market had Clinton winning.

It's easy to be prescient after the fact.

I'd actually guess the exact opposite: Trump win the popular vote with a loss in the electoral college.  Guess we'll find out in a few hours!

...what?  That seems the opposite of what is happening.

[StarBright]

There goes my health insurance. 
Dow futures -800.

Am I the only one who listened to both sides of the election?  Every time Trump said he would repeal obamacare, he said he would replace it.  It is shocking that rebulicans got behind him on this... but its true, his stance is to repeal AND replace.

My understanding is that he said he would essentially replace with high deductible plans and HSAs? But nothing about protecting pre-existing condition coverage or subsidies. If you know something different please post a link or point to it - because some of us might feel more comforted :)

[cerat0n1a]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/19/irish-bookmaker-already-paying-out-clinton-win/92400784/

These guys might feel especially silly...

They have form for this kind of thing - it's very cheap publicity and they've done it before with other high profile events. They know how to calculate odds, probably didn't take a huge amount of money on the US presidential race. They could easily lay the bet with other bookmakers as part of their marketing budget. In this case, it will be a gift that keeps on giving because they'll get another round of media attention out of it.

[Radagast]

Honestly it is probably not as bad as many liberals think. Trump has lots of things to dislike about him, but he is not a strong conservative. He has supported lots of things in the past that would make conservatives (for example Cruz) squirm. As a non-conservative, I was far more opposed to Cruz than to Trump. Especially with a Republican congress he may push through many things that liberals oppose. But he may also protect and possibly even advance some other things that they champion. I honestly think that moderate and liberal policies (in practice if not the imaginations of liberals) may have just as good a chance getting passed with a Trump presidency as with a Clinton presidency because the Republicans will have a hard time stopping any liberal leaning policies he does push.

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

[bacchi]

Clinton will win the popular vote. It's the Electoral vote that was incorrectly polled and every poll and betting line and market had Clinton winning.

It's easy to be prescient after the fact.

I'd actually guess the exact opposite: Trump win the popular vote with a loss in the electoral college.  Guess we'll find out in a few hours!

Without PA, Clinton can't win. It'll probably head to a recount no matter who is declared the winner.

Close Vote Margin:
Less than or equal to .5%

I'm assuming that California will throw another 2-3M votes to Clinton. She's trailing by 1M and no other state can make up that much.

[katsiki]

Honestly it is probably not as bad as many liberals think. Trump has lots of things to dislike about him, but he is not a strong conservative. He has supported lots of things in the past that would make conservatives (for example Cruz) squirm. As a non-conservative, I was far more opposed to Cruz than to Trump. Especially with a Republican congress he may push through many things that liberals oppose. But he may also protect and possibly even advance some other things that they champion. I honestly think that moderate and liberal policies (in practice if not the imaginations of liberals) may have just as good a chance getting passed with a Trump presidency as with a Clinton presidency because the Republicans will have a hard time stopping any liberal leaning policies he does push.

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

Don't feel bad - Trump doesn't know where he stands on most things either.

I think you're right.  There isn't much difference between the two.  Trump has been acting conservative, Christian, etc.

[Metric Mouse]

Honestly it is probably not as bad as many liberals think. Trump has lots of things to dislike about him, but he is not a strong conservative. He has supported lots of things in the past that would make conservatives (for example Cruz) squirm. As a non-conservative, I was far more opposed to Cruz than to Trump. Especially with a Republican congress he may push through many things that liberals oppose. But he may also protect and possibly even advance some other things that they champion. I honestly think that moderate and liberal policies (in practice if not the imaginations of liberals) may have just as good a chance getting passed with a Trump presidency as with a Clinton presidency because the Republicans will have a hard time stopping any liberal leaning policies he does push.

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

Don't feel bad - Trump doesn't know where he stands on most things either.

I think you're right.  There isn't much difference between the two.  Trump has been acting conservative, Christian, etc.

To be fair, Trump was a democrat up until a decade ago or so.

[wienerdog]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

[bacchi]

Honestly it is probably not as bad as many liberals think. Trump has lots of things to dislike about him, but he is not a strong conservative. He has supported lots of things in the past that would make conservatives (for example Cruz) squirm. As a non-conservative, I was far more opposed to Cruz than to Trump. Especially with a Republican congress he may push through many things that liberals oppose. But he may also protect and possibly even advance some other things that they champion. I honestly think that moderate and liberal policies (in practice if not the imaginations of liberals) may have just as good a chance getting passed with a Trump presidency as with a Clinton presidency because the Republicans will have a hard time stopping any liberal leaning policies he does push.

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

Don't feel bad - Trump doesn't know where he stands on most things either.

I think you're right.  There isn't much difference between the two.  Trump has been acting conservative, Christian, etc.

To be fair, Trump was a democrat up until a decade ago or so.

True, all good points. He's the ultimate teflon flip-flopper. He's an evangelical! He's pro-choice! No, he's now pro-life!

[gimp]

There's a huge difference between the two. Your cynicism and bullshit about the "corrupt media" is passe.

[Metric Mouse]

Honestly it is probably not as bad as many liberals think. Trump has lots of things to dislike about him, but he is not a strong conservative. He has supported lots of things in the past that would make conservatives (for example Cruz) squirm. As a non-conservative, I was far more opposed to Cruz than to Trump. Especially with a Republican congress he may push through many things that liberals oppose. But he may also protect and possibly even advance some other things that they champion. I honestly think that moderate and liberal policies (in practice if not the imaginations of liberals) may have just as good a chance getting passed with a Trump presidency as with a Clinton presidency because the Republicans will have a hard time stopping any liberal leaning policies he does push.

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

Don't feel bad - Trump doesn't know where he stands on most things either.

I think you're right.  There isn't much difference between the two.  Trump has been acting conservative, Christian, etc.

To be fair, Trump was a democrat up until a decade ago or so.

True, all good points. He's the ultimate teflon flip-flopper. He's an evangelical! He's pro-choice! No, he's now pro-life!

Well, hopefully he winds up as the perfect mix of progressive and conservative policies.

[rocketpj]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

I'm a non American, so my interest is mostly in not seeing you guys start any wars, at least not stupidly.  So the candidates from here are easy to distinguish.  Clinton might start a war, but no way is she picking a fight with Russia or anyone with nuclear weapons.  Trump believes his own bullshit and could very well start a war that nobody can win.*

*Nobody can win a war when everybody dies.

[jim555]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

I'm a non American, so my interest is mostly in not seeing you guys start any wars, at least not stupidly.  So the candidates from here are easy to distinguish.  Clinton might start a war, but no way is she picking a fight with Russia or anyone with nuclear weapons.  Trump believes his own bullshit and could very well start a war that nobody can win.*

*Nobody can win a war when everybody dies.

This could be super bad on a global scale.  I can't believe it is happening.

[azure975]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

I'm a non American, so my interest is mostly in not seeing you guys start any wars, at least not stupidly.  So the candidates from here are easy to distinguish.  Clinton might start a war, but no way is she picking a fight with Russia or anyone with nuclear weapons.  Trump believes his own bullshit and could very well start a war that nobody can win.*

*Nobody can win a war when everybody dies.

Maybe we can put him in a cage match with Kim Jong Un and they can just annihilate each other?

[katsiki]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

I'm a non American, so my interest is mostly in not seeing you guys start any wars, at least not stupidly.  So the candidates from here are easy to distinguish.  Clinton might start a war, but no way is she picking a fight with Russia or anyone with nuclear weapons.  Trump believes his own bullshit and could very well start a war that nobody can win.*

*Nobody can win a war when everybody dies.

the only winning move is not to play - War Games

[frugalnacho]

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

[azure975]

Of course this is sort of in the air, because I am actually not clear where Trump stands on many policies.

He is no different than Clinton. I am surprised so many think different but that shows how corrupt the MSM is.

I'm a non American, so my interest is mostly in not seeing you guys start any wars, at least not stupidly.  So the candidates from here are easy to distinguish.  Clinton might start a war, but no way is she picking a fight with Russia or anyone with nuclear weapons.  Trump believes his own bullshit and could very well start a war that nobody can win.*

*Nobody can win a war when everybody dies.

Maybe we can put him in a cage match with Kim Jong Un and they can just annihilate each other?

Oh wait--I just saw that North Korea endorsed Trump as "a wise politician and a prescient presidential candidate." Wonderful.

[jim555]

Idiocracy has become reality.  Am I the only one who feels this way?

[Metric Mouse]

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

:D Thank you for this...

[wienerdog]

There's a huge difference between the two. Your cynicism and bullshit about the "corrupt media" is passe.

And you don't know what you're talking about.  Sorry there is no difference.  Keep playing party line.  Vote for Johnson because you are voting for something different but not on what you believe in!  Or maybe just vote for Clinton because you don't like Trump.  Now show me where the difference is?

[sol]

If this is what America wants, then this is what it deserves.

The last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a ruined global economy.  Think Trump can top that?

[Metric Mouse]

The faces of the newscasters are priceless.

I watched MSNBC from the start. So classic! So wrong.  Nothing different from this board either.  I've never seen so many people out of touch.  Oh well you reap what you sow.

Clinton will win the popular vote. It's the Electoral vote that was incorrectly polled and every poll and betting line and market had Clinton winning.

It's easy to be prescient after the fact.

I'd actually guess the exact opposite: Trump win the popular vote with a loss in the electoral college.  Guess we'll find out in a few hours!

...what?  That seems the opposite of what is happening.

HOw so? Trump is winning both the electoral college AND the popular vote.

[MDM]

Idiocracy has become reality.  Am I the only one who feels this way?

Currently there are ~53,000,000 people who might agree with you.  OTOH ~54,000,000 probably disagree.

[lemanfan]

If this is what America wants, then this is what it deserves.

The problem with major superpowers, and the USA is one since a little over a century, is that local politics may affect the whole world. The Trump talk about NATO scaledowns are not fun to hear for the small countries round the baltic sea... I'm sure there are similar feelings in Taiwan and Japan and possibly other places.

[wienerdog]

If this is what America wants, then this is what it deserves.

The last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a ruined global economy.  Think Trump can top that?

And Obama wasn't any different?  Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.  So drones are different than anything else?

[MrsTuxedocat]

As a Canadian, I am paying close attention to the election as are many of my friends. I am speechless that there are so many people who have voted for Trump.

[wienerdog]

As a Canadian, I am paying close attention to the election as are many of my friends. I am speechless that there are so many people who have voted for Trump.

No different than Europe.  Been there done that.  Also been in Canada and saw how amazed your people were but just shows how informed you are also.  MSM keep believing!

[Metric Mouse]

I've started drinking heavily. This too-close-to-call thing is bigly ungood.

I started hours ago.

I wish I was drinking but I'm to busy driving to Canada.

SHould have bought a bus. You could have sold tickets and made a killing!

[arebelspy]

I'd actually guess the exact opposite: Trump win the popular vote with a loss in the electoral college.  Guess we'll find out in a few hours!

...what?  That seems the opposite of what is happening.

HOw so? Trump is winning both the electoral college AND the popular vote.

I think, and it looks like, she'll win the popular vote.

And he'll win the electoral.

Which is the opposite of what you said (him winning popular, but losing electoral).

[A mom]

I want a ticket for that bus.

[Metric Mouse]

I think, and it looks like, she'll win the popular vote.

And he'll win the electoral.

Which is the opposite of what you said (him winning popular, but losing electoral).

I guess we'll know in a few hours. I don't see how Trump can lose the popular vote, but it'll be (Hopefully) clear by the time the sun rises over California.

[sol]

I want a ticket for that bus.

So apparently the Canadian immigration website has crashed?

[arebelspy]

I think, and it looks like, she'll win the popular vote.

And he'll win the electoral.

Which is the opposite of what you said (him winning popular, but losing electoral).

I guess we'll know in a few hours. I don't see how Trump can lose the popular vote, but it'll be (Hopefully) clear by the time the sun rises over California.

Huh, weird.  What are your sources?  Like, what are you reading or watching that I'm not?

(I've been following NYT and 538.)

EDIT: Or are you just looking at the current vote total. which has him ahead, but only like 80% reporting, and tons more votes to come in for her in California?

[arebelspy]

How many people who voted Trump are going to be like the UKers the day after Brexit tomorrow:  "What have I done?"

[marty998]

Did the Canadian immigration site really just crash?

[Malaysia41]

I think, and it looks like, she'll win the popular vote.

And he'll win the electoral.

Which is the opposite of what you said (him winning popular, but losing electoral).

I guess we'll know in a few hours. I don't see how Trump can lose the popular vote, but it'll be (Hopefully) clear by the time the sun rises over California.

Huh, weird.  What are your sources?  Like, what are you reading or watching that I'm not?

(I've been following NYT and 538.)

EDIT: Or are you just looking at the current vote total. which has him ahead, but only like 80% reporting, and tons more votes to come in for her in California?

The reddit election megathread seems to be ahead of 538 by about 5 minutes. Not that I'm paying attention.

[sol]

I think the real story of this election is how the polling could have been so very very wrong. 

In most states, the candidate that was expected to win by 2-4% instead won by 6-8%.  And in a few states, the candidate that was favored to win by 2-4% actually LOST by 3-5%, an 8 point polling miss.  That's not supposed to happen anymore.

In most states, I think you can chalk it up to just the continued polarization of the country.  Everyone is seemingly turning hard to one side or the other.  But WI and MI were waaaaay off in every single poll, for reasons that aren't yet clear.

Did the Canadian immigration site really just crash?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html

[arebelspy]

Social stigma of wanting to admit they were voting for Trump?

[dividendman]

You voted for Johnson!

This is not true.  Please don't just make up things about other people.

Especially me.  ;)

Hrm, I swear I read on another thread that you were going to vote for Johnson, I can't find it now though, so perhaps you're right :)

[arebelspy]

You voted for Johnson!

This is not true.  Please don't just make up things about other people.

Especially me.  ;)

Hrm, I swear I read on another thread that you were going to vote for Johnson, I can't find it now though, so perhaps you're right :)

Must have just confused me with someone else.  No worries.  :)

[azure975]

There goes my health insurance. 
Dow futures -800.

Am I the only one who listened to both sides of the election?  Every time Trump said he would repeal obamacare, he said he would replace it.  It is shocking that rebulicans got behind him on this... but its true, his stance is to repeal AND replace.

My understanding is that he said he would essentially replace with high deductible plans and HSAs? But nothing about protecting pre-existing condition coverage or subsidies. If you know something different please post a link or point to it - because some of us might feel more comforted :)

Did some googling and found this:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

Q: Senator Rubio, you said that Mr. Trump thinks part of ObamaCare is pretty good. Which part?
RUBIO: The individual mandate. He said he likes the individual mandate portion of it; I don't believe that should remain there. We need to repeal ObamaCare completely and replace it with a system that puts Americans in charge of their health care money again.
TRUMP: I agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, I would absolutely get rid of ObamaCare. I want to keep pre- existing conditions. It's a modern age, and I think we have to have it.

So.....hopefully the pre-existing conditions clause will remain?

[wienerdog]

I think the real story of this election is how the polling could have been so very very wrong. 

In most states, the candidate that was expected to win by 2-4% instead one by 6-8%.  And in a few states, the candidate that was favored to win by 2-4% actually LOST by 3-5%, an 8 point polling miss.  That's not supposed to happen anymore.

In most states, I think you can chalk it up to just the continued polarization of the country.  Everyone is seemingly turning hard to one side or the other.  But WI and MI were waaaaay off in every single poll, for reasons that aren't yet clear.

Did the Canadian immigration site really just crash?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html

MSM Joke!  I feel sorry for you if you believed it.  Just like Obama's Nobel Piece Prize.  Care to answer your last statement about Trump bringing war?