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« Reply #1000 on: February 14, 2022, 02:17:25 PM »
I've been using Azure Standard since around 2005, I think -- it might have been earlier.  Over the years the drop coordinators and drop locations have changed, but I always have access to one no more than 15 minutes from the house by car.

Back in September both our in house refrigerator and our in garage chest freezer stopped working.  We replaced the refrigerator right away, and last month I gave up and got a new chest freezer.  Since we bought the old one they've started selling "garage ready" models and we can see how much more insulated it is.  I bought some extra sliding baskets for it since I had a lot of trouble with organizing the old freezer -- this model has a second layer of sliding baskets and I love them.  I'll admit that I hate our new refrigerator, and I'm pretty sure it will end up being a garage refrigerator soon.  Stainless steel was my only option for a replacement that could be delivered within the month, and I really miss having a white refrigerator that isn't so hard to keep nice looking.  I guess I grouse about it on the regular, because DH told me to just get something I want, especially since one of the college kids changed their plans and is back at home.  If I do that I'll have space for more eggs, milk, fresh produce, etc.  And I do love having an extra fridge when watermelons are their least expensive and I buy 4 at a time.

We're well stocked on meats, mostly from ButcherBox (loved the sales right after Thanksgiving and Christmas), but I also bought b/s chicken breast for $1 per pound knowing that my oldest and their friend will be here for spring break -- athletes do love their lean protein.  I also grabbed a couple of pork butts for spring break as well.

My pantry isn't all that full, but I do have beans, rice, flour, wheat berries, popcorn, etc.  I'm keeping fewer canned and jarred goods on hand, really only keeping 1-2 extras of the things we use regularly, except for canned pineapple which I buy a case at a time.  I've also stopped trying to think like someone who lives in colder areas -- I have access to local fresh produce year round and there's really no reason for me to go crazy stocking large amounts of canned or frozen produce.  In the new freezer I have 10# mango, 8# strawberries, 10# corn, 5# peas (for Indian dishes), and a Costco bag of edamame -- I don't know how much that weighs.  I buy frozen fire roasted sweet potatoes and frozen organic shredded potatoes regularly, as the major convenience foods I allow myself.  I still make almost everything from scratch, but those two items in particular are making life a little easier right now.

I use my food processor to grate cheese.  We really like Tillamook medium cheddar and I can buy blocks of it at Costco and grate it before freezing.  I also use the food processor to "grate" real parmagiano-reggiano cheese into the size you find in the green cans, since we use it in meatloaf instead of bread crumbs, for binding and flavor.

The young adult kid at home would love for us to have a french fry cutter!  And the idea to use a deep fryer outside is a good one.  Both of those items could be a good birthday gift and maybe they will be the one to learn to make fries -- and to clean up the mess!  I know someone else who makes their own frozen fries and swears by them.  I like fries but DH and I don't eat them often.  I'm not fond of the air fryer mess, but I'm thinking the air fryer lid for the Instant Pot would create an easier to clean up air fryer, since you can immerse the Instant Pot inner pot to clean it.  We've been using the "sous vide" mode on the Instant Pot for tri-tip and sirloin cap steak, with fantastic results.  My old Instant Pot didn't have sous vide, but I gave that one to my BIL when he moved and am using a $50 Black Friday special.

I guess I'd say we've found a good balance.  Our lives are different than they were at the beginning of the pandemic, with one fewer young adult living at home.  With the gluten free young adult at home we naturally eat less gluten, which simplifies things -- our carbohydrate is usually potatoes, rice, or corn.  DH and I eat two meals per day which also simplified things.  Meal #1 is slightly more breakfast-y and is based on eggs or bulk sausage (and sometimes bacon if we got it free), either sweet potatoes or white potatoes, and then vegetables.  Meal #2 is usually meat or fish, a side carb (I don't always eat this since the kid eats so much rice that I make white rice to lower the arsenic content), and lots of vegetables.  I make a couple of meatless main meals each week as well, but not as many as before the kid came back home.  I'm not baking much bread at all anymore, which feels odd but it's just where we are in life right now.

This means my at home "grocery store" needs to have plenty of meat and fish in the freezer, some frozen produce (they eat smoothies before practices and we eat corn with steaks instead of potatoes), rice, beans, and wheat berries/flour in the bulk buckets, basics like salsa and peanut butter, cooking fats (usually ghee and EVOO), things to add flavor like herbs, spices, and vinegar, dairy products including butter, yogurt, sour cream, and milk (the kid drinks it and that's a major improvement over the soda habit they picked up while away at university).

We buy plenty of fresh produce every week or two, along with any other needed perishables, although I prefer not to need to shop for eggs and dairy weekly.  I buy less perishable produce like potatoes, onions, carrots, cabbages, broccoli, etc. and then I know I have produce options.  On any given day I can make our meals without worrying about not having what we need.  I definitely use the "pantry principle" rather than planning meals on grocery ads.

I'm starting to let up on the grocery delivery now that we know Omicron isn't highly deadly for those who are vaccinated and boosted.  We still mask up in indoor settings, but we aren't just staying home anymore.  I have a few more months of a free Instacart trial offered by our credit card, and then we'll let it go unless things get bad again.  I plan my trips for when the stores should be the least crowded -- weekdays at opening are great for Sprouts, whereas Costco is better just before closing on Tuesday or Wednesday.  I've only been back to Costco twice since last summer, as it made me the most nervous because it's the most crowded.

We're considering a garden for this year, or maybe just a few tomato and zucchini plants.  We're planning to put in a couple of avocado trees, which we should have done years ago, really.  Come fall I'll try my hand at cabbage and a few other winter crops.  I always say I'm going to put in a lemon tree, but so many neighbors have lemon trees that I always have what I need -- some neighbors put them out front in baskets for anyone to take, and some tell us to pick a few anytime we need them.

Oh, for refried beans, I just cook pinto beans with garlic, salt them after cooking, and then puree with a hand blender, adding cooing liquid if needed and fat if we want to.  My Mexican MIL adds a little milk to make them creamy, but my oldest is dairy allergic so I don't do that.  We don't add any other seasonings, and they're perfect.  When I was first married I would cook the beans with onion, added cumin, etc. and my husband just didn't think they tasted authentic to what he ate growing up.

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Re: Pandemic hoarding
« Reply #1001 on: February 14, 2022, 02:39:41 PM »
  I'm not fond of the air fryer mess, but I'm thinking the air fryer lid for the Instant Pot would create an easier to clean up air fryer, since you can immerse the Instant Pot inner pot to clean it.  We've been using the "sous vide" mode on the Instant Pot for tri-tip and sirloin cap steak, with fantastic results.  My old Instant Pot didn't have sous vide, but I gave that one to my BIL when he moved and am using a $50 Black Friday special.

I have seen the YOuTube videos about the InstantPot air fryer lid and am so tempted - but I am in an apartment and space* is always the issue.  Which model has sous vide?  I am guessing still a 6L since it takes the air fryer lid?

*Hmm, if I got rid of the big stock pot that only gets used a few times a year, I could rearrange things and have space, sort of, maybe.

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« Reply #1002 on: February 14, 2022, 03:20:09 PM »
Today I splurged and bought the wedge cutters for my French fry cutter. I was torn between the 8 wedge and the 6 wedge cutter. So I bought both! The price was so excellent. Shipping was costly but even with that added to the cutters, it was still very cheap. I do hope they are the right cutters! They look the same, fingers crossed! I am going to buy more taters from Costco to do wedge taters and freeze them too.

I do not have an Instant pot air fryer cooker. I have a counter top air fryer and there is rarely any mess at all. Mostly crumbs fall to the bottom and I clean that out like a toaster every so often. It is square and has a door in the front and 3 shelves inside. This is my third air fryer. The other two were basket type and it just didn't work for me. I actually had an instant pot and really didn't like it! I know I am probably the only person on earth that doesn't like Instant pot but I found it just took too long with the time of pressure build up, cook time and natural release of pressure. There were a few things I liked about it but it took up too much space so I decided to get rid of it. I am a Slow Cooker enthusiast and use it a lot. I even have an old fashion pressure cooker that I have not used in ages but did love it in the day. I had a lot of success with it and food always came out awesome. Going to have to dust it off and start using it again.


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« Reply #1003 on: February 14, 2022, 03:29:31 PM »
Oh God, you Americans are killing me!  $1.49 for jumbo (extra large here) eggs???  I just bought a dozen last week and paid $3.99.

No effin wonder you guys are all retired early, lol!

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« Reply #1004 on: February 14, 2022, 03:43:36 PM »
The healthcare situation is a bit of a trade off, to be fair!

We have the ninja pressure cooker/air fryer and it’s my second favorite appliance.

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« Reply #1005 on: February 14, 2022, 04:14:56 PM »
Oh God, you Americans are killing me!  $1.49 for jumbo (extra large here) eggs???  I just bought a dozen last week and paid $3.99.

No effin wonder you guys are all retired early, lol!

Prices are going up pretty fast here in the USA. Just looked up Jumbo eggs and here is the information:
 Stop & Shop White Eggs Grade A Jumbo1 doz | $2.39 / doz

Prices do go up and down so you never know what to expect. This is the same price I paid for 3 dozen eggs last week of January. But they do go on sale quite often.

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« Reply #1006 on: February 14, 2022, 05:29:44 PM »
No sales on eggs here, ever.  Or milk ($5.00/4 litres, a little less than a gallon).  Or butter (also $5.00/pound).  Apparently they're run by cartels.

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« Reply #1007 on: February 14, 2022, 05:53:06 PM »
I buy cage-free organic eggs, the ones with orange yolks and thick shells. Those usually cost about $3.50-4.00 per dozen. Worth it.

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« Reply #1008 on: February 14, 2022, 07:52:55 PM »
No sales on eggs here, ever.  Or milk ($5.00/4 litres, a little less than a gallon).  Or butter (also $5.00/pound).  Apparently they're run by cartels.

FYI, 4 litres is more than a US gallon, less than a UK gallon. Given the relative populations, I'd go with 4L being a bit more than a gallon (3.89L US, IIRC)

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« Reply #1009 on: February 15, 2022, 12:09:03 AM »
No sales on eggs here, ever.  Or milk ($5.00/4 litres, a little less than a gallon).  Or butter (also $5.00/pound).  Apparently they're run by cartels.

FYI, 4 litres is more than a US gallon, less than a UK gallon. Given the relative populations, I'd go with 4L being a bit more than a gallon (3.89L US, IIRC)
I had 3.87 litres in 1 US gallon so I had to go and check it. Wikipedia says 3.78*.

An Irish gallon is 4.54 - have that fixed firmly in my head because I used to work in my dad's garage and the pumps were metric but older people would still come in and ask for a gallon of petrol. Ah, the good old days.



*Actually 3.785411784 L

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« Reply #1010 on: February 15, 2022, 09:17:43 AM »
SailingOnASmallSailboat, thanks for that recipe for refried beans! I am not well versed in making Mexican type foods. Never ate it as a kid and as an adult like different dishes but rarely try my hand at it. Have to remember Amy's too!

 

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I also wanted to mention, do any of you buy jumbo eggs? I do and always try to get them! One of my local stores sells them for about $1.49-$1.69 a dozen and large eggs are somewhere around $2.99 a dozen. Many times, the jumbo's have double yolks too! You get a bigger egg for less money! I have heard that jumbo eggs are not as popular, so they are sold for less! I can understand if you are baking and need a more standardized size egg but if you are buying them to make breakfast eggs, why not go for jumbo!

I haven't even seen any Jumbo eggs for sale lately. Maybe I'm just not looking for them. I would buy them if they were cheaper than the smaller ones, of course. All I ever see is Grade A large, and sometimes extra large. Occasionally a medium.

Large eggs are now $1.60 a dozen.  Just six months ago, they were $1.19 a dozen.   The price fluctuates a lot, and I expect it to come back down in a few months.

 

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« Reply #1011 on: February 15, 2022, 11:18:19 AM »
No sales on eggs here, ever.  Or milk ($5.00/4 litres, a little less than a gallon).  Or butter (also $5.00/pound).  Apparently they're run by cartels.

FYI, 4 litres is more than a US gallon, less than a UK gallon. Given the relative populations, I'd go with 4L being a bit more than a gallon (3.89L US, IIRC)
I had 3.87 litres in 1 US gallon so I had to go and check it. Wikipedia says 3.78*.

An Irish gallon is 4.54 - have that fixed firmly in my head because I used to work in my dad's garage and the pumps were metric but older people would still come in and ask for a gallon of petrol. Ah, the good old days.



*Actually 3.785411784 L

You’re both right.  Being Canadian, I was referring to the Imperial gallon, not the Standard gallon the US uses.  We got shafted in the ‘70’s when we switched to metric and everything shrunk.  Our gas has always been more expensive than in the States, but at least we could say that our gallons were bigger up until that point.

Our bacon is no longer a pound (500 grams) per package either, but only 375 grams, although that is due to shrinkflation, not metric.

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« Reply #1012 on: February 15, 2022, 11:49:39 AM »
SunnyDays,

We here in the USA are also seeing smaller packaging for everything. Just bought a container of grapefruit juice and they used to be 64 ounces. I examined the container, and it is only 52 ounces now. Some bacon packages are now 10 ounces rather than 16 ounces. It goes on and on with products. What is really annoying is that they reduce the size of the container to look almost like the bigger one. So you really don't notice at first glance. Some of the plastic jugs filled with liquid have a deep impression on the bottom of the bottle so less liquid fits in the bottle. The food companies don't want to charge more for their products so they reduce the size of the package and still charge the same amount but you get less for the money. It is very sneaky how they change the packaging. The container may be the same exact height, but they have pared down the sides a bit.

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« Reply #1013 on: February 15, 2022, 12:13:33 PM »
SunnyDays,

We here in the USA are also seeing smaller packaging for everything. Just bought a container of grapefruit juice and they used to be 64 ounces. I examined the container, and it is only 52 ounces now. Some bacon packages are now 10 ounces rather than 16 ounces. It goes on and on with products. What is really annoying is that they reduce the size of the container to look almost like the bigger one. So you really don't notice at first glance. Some of the plastic jugs filled with liquid have a deep impression on the bottom of the bottle so less liquid fits in the bottle. The food companies don't want to charge more for their products so they reduce the size of the package and still charge the same amount but you get less for the money. It is very sneaky how they change the packaging. The container may be the same exact height, but they have pared down the sides a bit.

Yes, same thing here.  It's so dishonest.  At least reduce the package size accordingly, so the customer knows they're getting less.  It means you have to buy more, but saves another trip to the store sooner than you otherwise would have gone.  Plus, anything packaged twice, like cookies, has the same size outer box but the plastic tray inside has more unusable space in it (plus smaller cookies).  And extra resources used to keep the box at the same size.  Pretty soon everything is going to be "fun size."  The companies rely on people being oblivious and only buying based on price.  Very frustrating.

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« Reply #1014 on: February 15, 2022, 12:22:49 PM »
SunnyDays,

We here in the USA are also seeing smaller packaging for everything. Just bought a container of grapefruit juice and they used to be 64 ounces. I examined the container, and it is only 52 ounces now. Some bacon packages are now 10 ounces rather than 16 ounces. It goes on and on with products. What is really annoying is that they reduce the size of the container to look almost like the bigger one. So you really don't notice at first glance. Some of the plastic jugs filled with liquid have a deep impression on the bottom of the bottle so less liquid fits in the bottle. The food companies don't want to charge more for their products so they reduce the size of the package and still charge the same amount but you get less for the money. It is very sneaky how they change the packaging. The container may be the same exact height, but they have pared down the sides a bit.

Yes, same thing here.  It's so dishonest.  At least reduce the package size accordingly, so the customer knows they're getting less.  It means you have to buy more, but saves another trip to the store sooner than you otherwise would have gone.  Plus, anything packaged twice, like cookies, has the same size outer box but the plastic tray inside has more unusable space in it (plus smaller cookies).  And extra resources used to keep the box at the same size.  Pretty soon everything is going to be "fun size."  The companies rely on people being oblivious and only buying based on price.  Very frustrating.

So much this.  The only saving grace is that stores have to post $/weight on the shelf. In tiny print that I have to be 15cm close to read, but still.  And I no longer have to carry a little calculator to calculate sale prices $/wt, my phone has one built in.   :-)

I never see"jumbo" eggs but instead we have a size that guarantees at least 50% double-yolked eggs.  They are larger than extra large, they are super long to make room for the 2nd yolk.  They are also more expensive than extra-large, and almost never on sale.

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« Reply #1015 on: February 15, 2022, 12:46:44 PM »
This is one of my crazy pet peeves, and I read recently that it is called "skimpflation."  I first noticed this years ago in cook ng.  14oz cream soup or 14oz tomato sauce changes a dish.  I would much rather they stay the same size and charge more!

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« Reply #1016 on: February 15, 2022, 01:29:16 PM »
Agree DaMa, keep the same size and charge more.

Our only salvation is that they HAVE to print on the label how much the contents are. However, so many people don't pay attention to that.

They also figure that in a few years, the next generation will have no memory of the 'real/original' sizes so people will be more accepting of the smaller sizes. They will only have childhood memories of the smaller footprints.

Another thing I really despise is that you might buy a package of 10 hot dogs and most of the packages of hot dog rolls only contain 8 rolls. GRRR!! I know it is scam so we have to buy two packages of rolls. Then you have 6 rolls that might never get used...bread crumbs comes to mind!

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« Reply #1017 on: February 15, 2022, 01:46:25 PM »
Cowboy Junkies (Canadian band) - A Horse in the Country:  “The money would be pretty good if a quart of milk was still a dollar, or even if a quart of milk was still a quart.”
                   
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« Reply #1018 on: February 15, 2022, 04:30:03 PM »

I have seen the YOuTube videos about the InstantPot air fryer lid and am so tempted - but I am in an apartment and space* is always the issue.  Which model has sous vide?  I am guessing still a 6L since it takes the air fryer lid?

*Hmm, if I got rid of the big stock pot that only gets used a few times a year, I could rearrange things and have space, sort of, maybe.

The model I have is 6 quart, and is officially referred to as a black friday model rather than having a regular name.  But I think most of the newer Instant Pots have the sous vide setting.  I know it isn't as perfect as using a circulator, but it works incredibly well and I already use an Instant Pot regularly, so this way there's nothing more to store.

An IP blogger I follow prefers the Mealthy air fryer lid to the Instant Pot one, and I think the specs look better as well.  But I haven't jumped.  Our oven technically has an "air fry" setting, which it's really just convection.  We rarely use it.  For us, I suppose the air fryer lid for the IP would be most useful for browning cooked meats.

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« Reply #1019 on: February 15, 2022, 05:00:33 PM »
I'm in California and egg prices have been up for me for quite some time.  My kid in the midwest gets them cheaper -- the Aldi regular price there is better than the Aldi sale price here.

The whole inflation and shrinkflation situation has made feeding the family more expensive, for sure.  One thing I don't do is actually buy bacon.  If ButcherBox has a deal where something comes with "free" bacon, we get it that way.  So a 20 ounce tri-tip for $16 and then free bacon, or back in November 1# of tenderloin tips for $18 + two free packages of bacon.  It's cheaper to buy the bulk breakfast sausage for our breakfast bowls (currently at $5.20 per pound).  For the "box" portion of the order I don't get anything I know they sell cheaper in the deals or add-ons sections.  Sirloin cap steak has been a real favorite around here, done sous vide in the Instant Pot and then seared in cast iron.  I don't get chicken in the box; we'd rather eat grass-fed beef than organic chicken and it doesn't price out well compared to buying organic chicken locally.  Honestly, since we don't eat chicken that often I'm fine getting a Costco rotisserie chicken every now and then, and buying conventional chicken for when our oldest is home.

Everything else is more expensive too, but it's easier to manage by sticking to sale and loss leader produce.  I don't really care if the family prefers Honey Crisp apples to Granny Smith; if Granny Smith are 99¢/# and Honey Crisp are $2.49/#, they can eat Granny Smith.  I cut the butter costs when I stopped baking bread, since we mostly toasted it.  We drink water, and happily picked up a SodaStream Power at the Goodwill for $7, so we can have sparkling water.  We did have to buy a couple of the bottles, but the unit did already have a canister in it so we only have to pay for the exchange (I'm encouraging DH to look into hacking the SodaStream to take the larger CO2 canisters).  I'm using less oil/fat in our cooking, while also saving all fats from cooked meats.  I told the at home kid to make popcorn because I don't want to buy potato chips.

Simplifying has been a big help.  I buy one type of potatoes (the large russets from Costco).  I buy one type of beans (pinto).  I buy three types of cheese -- medium cheddar for most things, mozzarella if we want to make pizza, and parmigiana for meatloaf and pasta.  We used to enjoy trying different kinds of cheese but simplifying means we can buy in bulk.  The kid prefers white basmati and it also works best for Mexican and Indian dishes, so I stopped buying sushi rice, even though I like it better with Japanese food.  I even downgraded our butter and stopped buying unsalted butter.  We like Kerrygold, but Costco butter is good enough and the kid is the one who eats the most of it anyway.  I just adjust the salt in recipes when I use the salted butter.

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« Reply #1021 on: February 16, 2022, 05:21:16 AM »
I have heard that the newest models can’t be modified this way?

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« Reply #1022 on: February 21, 2022, 09:47:08 AM »
@Roadrunner53 Have fun with your French fry maker! (never heard that word, I've only ever heard it being referred to as a potato chipper in English).  I inherited a metal one, but it doesn't get used much. We don't own a deep-fat fryer and I'm not really a fan of frying on the stovetop or oven-baked fries. Mr Imma is convinced that we'll only ever eat deep-fried food if we get a deep-fat fryer, but I don't think that would be the case at all. I'm still lobbying for one, since it's so much safer than stovetop frying and deep-fat fryers are so cheap. I remember when I was a kid we'd make them homemade from scratch almost every week and they're so extremely delicious.
You could try doing what one of my sisters does, which is to only use the deep-fat fryer outside. They don't like having the smell hanging around in the house, so on the days they want to deep-fry something, they set the deep-fat fryer up on an old picnic table outside the kitchen or sitting room window, and use an extension lead through the window to plug it in. If it's raining, they just put up the garden umbrella over it. I have no idea if this is a French thing or a this particular family thing (I suspect the latter), but it works for them. When the oil has cooled down the deep-fat fryer goes back into the cellar. They wouldn't have room in the kitchen to have it out all the time anyway. They treat it the same way they treat the raclette or fondue or toasted sandwich maker.

Of course the other alternative is to get an air-fryer rather than a deep-fat fryer. My younger sister got one a couple of months ago and says it is so versatile she has basically used it almost every day since she got it. And my oldest sister got inspired by that and decided to get the fancy version that's also an instant pot. I don't think I speak to either of them anymore without hearing about their air-fryers. LOL

Funny, I've never heard of frying outside!!! In the Netherlands most people use the deep-fat fryer in the shed or garage, both for safety and for smell reasons. And it's convenient since people often have a second freezer full of frozen snacks in there too.

The reason Mr. Imma doesn't want one is because he's afraid we're going to use it way too often. It's not because of lack of space. Lack of counter space is an issue, we try not to buy useless appliances, but I'd be happy to make room in the cellar for a deep-fat fryer. We have this multipurpose grill/toasted sandwich maker thingie that we dig out of the cupboard before every use as well (and we use it most days!).

Most of my friends with kids have airfryers, they seem to use them a lot to serve their picky eaters "healthy chips" instead of potatoes which they don't want to eat. I know there are tons of things you can do with an airfryer but most people don't seem very adventurous with them.

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« Reply #1023 on: February 21, 2022, 09:52:35 AM »
I have heard that the newest models can’t be modified this way?
Dunno, but I volunteer at a thrift shop and see them come through periodically. If that's really the case, just look for an older model?

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« Reply #1024 on: February 22, 2022, 07:56:45 AM »
Got lazy and didn't keep a bag ahead on dog food. Went to sams club and they were out of the flavor we usually buy. Bought same brand different flavor and hoping the dog does not get digestive upset

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« Reply #1025 on: February 22, 2022, 12:15:58 PM »
May the odds be ever in your favor.

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« Reply #1026 on: February 22, 2022, 03:26:22 PM »
Got lazy and didn't keep a bag ahead on dog food. Went to sams club and they were out of the flavor we usually buy. Bought same brand different flavor and hoping the dog does not get digestive upset

Fingers crossed!  If you have any canned pumpkin you can add that to their diet to help the transition to the new flavor.  Or just use it if you notice loose stools.

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« Reply #1027 on: February 23, 2022, 12:22:40 PM »
Just had a giant haul of things from Costco delivered by Instacart. Going to make homemade steak fries with the taters I bought, will make caramalized onions in the slow cooker, slice up raw some for the freezer. Have tons of produce. Bought 3 rotisserie chickens. One we will eat tonight and have leftovers. The other two will be frozen for a later date. Bought a fresh chicken 7 lb. too and that will also go in the freezer. Bought some ham steaks and will make a 16 bean soup with them down the road. No need to go to the stores for weeks! Love it!

What a great service Instacart is! They keep you updated on when they arrive at the store to start shopping and will contact you if there is a problem. They let you know when checkout has occurred and give you an estimated time for delivery. They keep you in the loop during the whole process. I highly recommend!

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« Reply #1028 on: February 23, 2022, 02:52:46 PM »
Hooplady, caramalized onions are a total no brainer! The worst part is cutting up the onions so I have Mr. Roadrunner do that! I put some butter in the bottom of the slow cooker then add the cut up onions, then another big gob of butter on top. I put it on high sometimes to speed up the cooking and then put it on low to continue cooking. Sometimes I put it on low overnight and wake up to the amazing aroma of onions in the morning! They are like gold! You can make French onion soup with them, put them on hamburgers. We mixed them with some hamburger meat the other night. SO GOOD! I would suggest you fill the slow cooker up to the top because they will shrink down to 1/3rd probably. My last suggestion is if you have not used Reynolds slow cooker liners, buy some! They make clean up a breeze! I use my slow cooker a lot and use the liners every time! Love them!

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« Reply #1029 on: February 23, 2022, 04:40:43 PM »
Making caramelized onions in the slow cooker is my favorite way, unless I'm making them for mujadara and want them with charred edges.  I started using the liners when I was cooking for a local charity for homeless teens -- my church supplied the ingredients for whatever we were asked to make and they always provided a liner.  I really like them!  But my husband does the dishes and would rather I not use them and make trash when he doesn't mind scrubbing a slow cooker.

Based on rising inflation and the current situation with Russia, I am intentionally adding to our food supplies.  I ordered 50# of wheat berries from Azure Standard, and 30# of Nishiki rice from Amazon (it's our favorite medium grain and was at a great price), along with a case of white rice spaghetti noodles, also from Amazon.  I also ordered diced frozen sweet potatoes and frozen Southern style hash browns from Azure -- it's so nice to have freezer space again.  The sweet potatoes are used for making breakfast bowls and the hash browns get used in egg casserole.

DH mentioned the wheat to me, and it reminded me of the 2008 global rice crisis (which was also somewhat connected to wheat).  Now that I once again have a freezer, it makes sense to stock up on wheat berries and rice, since we definitely will eat them.  The US doesn't import Russian wheat, but if Europe can't get wheat from Russia and the Ukraine, prices will go up here as we start exporting more wheat to Europe.  I considered buying white flour as well, but since we don't use it often I think we can absorb any potential price increases.  I'm wavering on ordering popping corn, since corn prices are up as well -- I might order 25#.  In addition to popping it, I grind it for cornmeal and polenta (and now I'm hungry for cornbread).

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« Reply #1030 on: February 24, 2022, 06:07:41 AM »
K_in_the_kitchen,
Do you pick up your Azure order from a drop off spot or do you have it shipped to you?

I just placed a tiny order for the first-time thru Azure and shipping was around $15. I think the items are coming tomorrow or Saturday.

What do you do with wheat berries?

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« Reply #1031 on: February 24, 2022, 07:49:59 AM »
Does anyone think the food supply chain will be interrupted with the Putin invasion of Ukraine? If so, what might be affected? If not food, what about other items?

They have mentioned gas prices going up and food prices going up in general. One of my friends that lives in the mid-west has mentioned to me that everything at the stores are higher in price.

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« Reply #1032 on: February 24, 2022, 07:59:03 AM »
We've been thinking about whether we need to stock up related to the Ukraine invasion, and if so, what/how much.  We have all of our food storage pretty much full in our little apartment, though.  So far we've defaulted to knowing that we're flexible in our eating habits and so we can adapt to any specific shortages.

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« Reply #1033 on: February 24, 2022, 08:17:03 AM »
Does anyone think the food supply chain will be interrupted with the Putin invasion of Ukraine? If so, what might be affected? If not food, what about other items?

They have mentioned gas prices going up and food prices going up in general. One of my friends that lives in the mid-west has mentioned to me that everything at the stores are higher in price.

I  feel like the general knowledge is that rising prices are more about corporate profits than any real shortages so far.

I'm in the midwest and I help stock a community pantry and keep receipts. I can tell you that soups like campbells and progresso have almost doubled in price from last winter, I'm paying 60% more for granola bars at the best sales price, and store brand tuna is up 25% a can, and tuna helper is up 60%.

Meat is insane: bacon and chicken have also almost doubled here from the start of the pandemic.

But- https://www.npr.org/2022/02/13/1080494838/economist-explains-record-corporate-profits-despite-rising-inflation

Related to the invasion of Ukraine, we filled up our cars last week and also filled up a couple of gas cans for our lawn mower, generator, etc. I had a kroger discount of .50 a gallon.

On the super paranoid side of things, we requested paper statements from our biggest investment accounts because of potential cyber shenanigans. I want a balance statement on company letterhead. But I also know a person who got hacked a couple of years ago and it took two years to get their money back because they didn't keep track of paperwork. I fully admit that that is leaning into prepper territory, but it took 20 seconds for each account, and it has been a sh*tty two years and I'm allowing myself this small prepping luxury :)   

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« Reply #1034 on: February 24, 2022, 08:23:20 AM »
Does anyone think the food supply chain will be interrupted with the Putin invasion of Ukraine? If so, what might be affected? If not food, what about other items?

They have mentioned gas prices going up and food prices going up in general. One of my friends that lives in the mid-west has mentioned to me that everything at the stores are higher in price.

I  feel like the general knowledge is that rising prices are more about corporate profits than any real shortages so far.

I'm in the midwest and I help stock a community pantry and keep receipts. I can tell you that soups like campbells and progresso have almost doubled in price from last winter, I'm paying 60% more for granola bars at the best sales price, and store brand tuna is up 25% a can, and tuna helper is up 60%.

Meat is insane: bacon and chicken have also almost doubled here from the start of the pandemic.

But- https://www.npr.org/2022/02/13/1080494838/economist-explains-record-corporate-profits-despite-rising-inflation

Related to the invasion of Ukraine, we filled up our cars last week and also filled up a couple of gas cans for our lawn mower, generator, etc. I had a kroger discount of .50 a gallon.

On the super paranoid side of things, we requested paper statements from our biggest investment accounts because of potential cyber shenanigans. I want a balance statement on company letterhead. But I also know a person who got hacked a couple of years ago and it took two years to get their money back because they didn't keep track of paperwork. I fully admit that that is leaning into prepper territory, but it took 20 seconds for each account, and it has been a sh*tty two years and I'm allowing myself this small prepping luxury :)

Not super paranoid.  That type of shenaigans are likely to escalate.

I'd also recommend checking that all electronic devices which are connected to the internet are completely up to date as far as security patches and anti virus / anti malware software.

And make sure you have good backups for any files that you care about.

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« Reply #1035 on: February 24, 2022, 08:32:09 AM »
Has anyone else noticed stores limiting purchase quantities again? The last couple of times I've shopped at the local Meijer, there have been signs on various canned goods (seafood, beans) limiting purchase to 4 per customer.

Otherwise, yes, prices are going up, and I'm starting to see fully empty shelves. Earlier this week, the local BJ's warehouse had several freezer cases that were mostly empty. Highly processed foods seem to be the most affected (the chip aisle looked half-bare), and we've been okay so far because we tend to cook from scratch or use less processed foods (canned tomatoes). I don't know how long that will last.

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« Reply #1036 on: February 24, 2022, 10:08:57 AM »
Here in Canada, Frito-Lay products are no longer being sold by the Loblaws chain due to conflict with them around pricing.  Most crunchy snack items are made by them, so those shelves will soon be pretty bare.  Yay, popcorn!

I was at Walmart again yesterday, and lots of shelves are still bare, as they have been for a long time.  But at least they have bananas again, which they didn't for months, even though other stores did.  I haven't really noticed that anything is scarce enough to impact my usual buying habits though.

Prices for non-meat items have gone up a lot recently, just as meat did a while back.  There's just no way around paying more in general, unless you can produce all your own food.

I haven't seen limits on anything, more the opposite, where you have to buy a certain quantity to get a lower price, but that's nothing new here.

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« Reply #1037 on: February 24, 2022, 10:21:55 AM »
K_in_the_kitchen,
Do you pick up your Azure order from a drop off spot or do you have it shipped to you?

I just placed a tiny order for the first-time thru Azure and shipping was around $15. I think the items are coming tomorrow or Saturday.

What do you do with wheat berries?

I'll go pick up this order from a drop point -- in more than 15 years of ordering from Azure I've used the shipping option exactly once, when I needed more wheat berries last September but wasn't going to be able to get to the drop.  I have 7 drops within 30 miles of my house, although some are on the same route so choosing one of them is just driving farther than I need to.  My closest drop is 10 minutes from home.

I grind wheat berries to make whole wheat flour, rather than buying processed and then recombined whole wheat flour -- the whole wheat flour in stores in never just wheat berries that have been ground and bagged.  The components are separated out and then put back together into an "ideal".  I like freshly ground flour for its fresh, sweet flavor -- there's no bitter rancidness.  I use hard white wheat berries to make flour for bread, pizza, etc.  Sometimes I'll make a wheat berry pilaf or wheat berry porridge.  I have lower protein heirloom wheat berries (White Sonora) that I use for tortillas and biscuits, pastry crust, and even some cookies.  I'll use either one for muffins and other quick breads.

I did decide to order 25# of popping corn.  We aren't out of what we have, but it keeps incredibly well and I want to hedge against shortage or sky high prices.  I think popping corn is a great long term storage food -- we can pop it for a snack, but we can also grind it and use the cornmeal.  We eat cornmeal mush for some breakfasts, make cornbread and corn muffins, make polenta, add cornmeal to pancake recipes, etc.  It's 100% whole grain when you grind it yourself.  And now, like I wrote yesterday, I really want to eat cornbread!  I should make some for dinner.

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« Reply #1038 on: February 24, 2022, 10:28:22 AM »
We've been thinking about whether we need to stock up related to the Ukraine invasion, and if so, what/how much.  We have all of our food storage pretty much full in our little apartment, though.  So far we've defaulted to knowing that we're flexible in our eating habits and so we can adapt to any specific shortages.

I think having full food storage will serve you well, whatever happens.  We have meat in the freezer, plus grains and legumes in the pantry.  It seems likely that fresh produce will always be available, and like you we are flexible in our eating habits and can work around any specific shortages.  Thinking about it though, we probably don't have enough cooking fats on hand -- we mostly use EVOO and don't want it to go rancid on us before we use it.  And I should buy more salt.

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« Reply #1039 on: February 24, 2022, 11:11:26 AM »
K_in_the_kitchen, Wow! You are beyond ambitious making all those baked items! I make a lot of from scratch things but nothing like you are doing!

Very impressed!

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« Reply #1040 on: February 24, 2022, 11:45:01 AM »
I have heard that the newest models can’t be modified this way?
Dunno, but I volunteer at a thrift shop and see them come through periodically. If that's really the case, just look for an older model?

The new soda stream CO2 bottles are harder to fill. There is some goofy internal spring mechanism.

 The result is they are more sensitive to pressure change. So, you may have to open the tank valve super slow, and have your fill dongle bleed valve slightly cracked open. Then close the bleed valve before opening the tank valve more. The Sodastream bottles also like to be cold, so put them in the freezer for a bit first.

Be careful with old soda stream bottles.. some of them leak.

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« Reply #1041 on: February 24, 2022, 01:42:17 PM »
Does anyone think the food supply chain will be interrupted with the Putin invasion of Ukraine? If so, what might be affected? If not food, what about other items?

They have mentioned gas prices going up and food prices going up in general. One of my friends that lives in the mid-west has mentioned to me that everything at the stores are higher in price.

I feel like the general knowledge is that rising prices are more about corporate profits than any real shortages so far.

The shortages are real, as are the supply chain disruptions. All our suppliers are raising prices, shipping is more expensive - especially overseas shipping. Our suppliers get a lot of products from Europe and Asia and when a container goes from $3-5k to $15-25k it's a big difference. Even our US-based suppliers/manufacturers will often source raw materials from China or elsewhere overseas. It's a chain reaction and every input along the way (labor, materials, shipping, etc.) is going up. We're constantly dealing with backordered products and its usually months before it will be available again.

Plus, there's the whole "let's print trillions of dollars and give it to everyone". You can't just add that much cash into the economy without repercussions - i.e. inflation. Our family got close to $20k between the various rounds of stimulus and increased child tax credits. That was a 15-20% increase in our household income. Other households (without 6 kids) may not have received quite that much, but almost everybody got something and those dollars are chasing the same or fewer goods and services.

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« Reply #1042 on: February 25, 2022, 04:45:38 AM »
We are having a bad storm here in New England today. Woke up to about 1 inch of snow and freezing rain. The rain is coming down pretty hard. The temps are 23 degrees and is going to be a skating rink out there. Very dangerous! I am thinking of putting together a 16-bean soup today. I have the bags of beans, some ham, garden tomatoes I can take out of the freezer, onions, peppers and maybe some fresh spinach and some zippy spices. I have some left-over rice too I could add. Would be a good day to smell all that goodness cooking. All of this stuff is in my stash, so no need to 'shop' for anything! Yippie!

Just to mention, I bought some more jumbo eggs the other day from Stop & Shop and they were $2.39 a dozen.

Mr. Roadrunner is my 'warehouse' manager and 'receives' in all our shipments and keeps all the inventory organized. This is a new endeavor for him, and he has done an excellent job at it! I found these bins at the Container Store that work really well in the freezer and shelves in the cabinets. He has had me order them several times. He has managed to use every inch of freezer space and kept 'like' items together to avoid hunting for this and that. Half the battle with freezers is to keep them organized so you know where stuff is.

There is a lady I follow on YouTube, and she has two chest freezers. On one of her video's, she showed how she organized her freezers. It was as simple as using these cloth tote bags with handles that she can stack on top of the other. Each bag would be filled with 'like' items. When she needed something in the bottom of the freezer it was as simple as pulling out a bag or two, to get to what she wanted. Great idea! I happen to have two upright freezers so bags could work I suppose, but my bins are plastic and can slide out as needed.

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« Reply #1043 on: February 25, 2022, 04:56:52 AM »
Here is something I saw today and would be perfect when you are low in ingredients! This website is called Hungry Girl. They have come up with some simple recipes to use with cake mix. Just using two ingredients! Would be easy to stock up on a few cake mixes and use these ideas!

https://www.hungry-girl.com/weekly-recipes/two-ingredient-cake

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« Reply #1044 on: February 25, 2022, 08:29:58 AM »
Here is something I saw today and would be perfect when you are low in ingredients! This website is called Hungry Girl. They have come up with some simple recipes to use with cake mix. Just using two ingredients! Would be easy to stock up on a few cake mixes and use these ideas!

https://www.hungry-girl.com/weekly-recipes/two-ingredient-cake

Thanks for posting.  I had heard of using cake mix and applesauce, but not the other versions - she's really resourceful.  Will try some of these!

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« Reply #1045 on: February 25, 2022, 08:44:29 AM »
Does anyone think the food supply chain will be interrupted with the Putin invasion of Ukraine? If so, what might be affected? If not food, what about other items?

They have mentioned gas prices going up and food prices going up in general. One of my friends that lives in the mid-west has mentioned to me that everything at the stores are higher in price.

I feel like the general knowledge is that rising prices are more about corporate profits than any real shortages so far.

The shortages are real, as are the supply chain disruptions. All our suppliers are raising prices, shipping is more expensive - especially overseas shipping. Our suppliers get a lot of products from Europe and Asia and when a container goes from $3-5k to $15-25k it's a big difference. Even our US-based suppliers/manufacturers will often source raw materials from China or elsewhere overseas. It's a chain reaction and every input along the way (labor, materials, shipping, etc.) is going up. We're constantly dealing with backordered products and its usually months before it will be available again.

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Not denying that that there are shortages or supply chain disruptions. But if corporations were only raising prices enough to cover those costs then would they be recording profits right now?

So the amount of inflation we are seeing in consumer prices at the grocery store seems likely to be supply chain/shortages plus extra for profit.

For example, a couple of weeks ago Tyson reported double digit profit margins for the quarter. My understanding is that this has only happened for a few quarters in my entire lifetime.

Now I am not an economist, or a finance person with experience in Fortune 500 level corps, so if someone here is please absolutely correct me and point me in the right direction, but doesn't this imply raising prices substantially more than just the pass along of inflation? And if it does, then are we really seeing inflation, or are we seeing straight-up price gouging by corporations that have de facto monopolies?
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« Reply #1046 on: February 25, 2022, 10:43:19 AM »
Not denying that that there are shortages or supply chain disruptions. But if corporations were only raising prices enough to cover those costs then would they be recording profits right now?

No, they would not. US corporate profits were up 50% in 2021. The corporations decided to use the pandemic/supply chain issues as cover to scalp extra profits - certainly adding significantly to inflation.

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« Reply #1047 on: February 26, 2022, 11:02:28 AM »
We're seeing inflation due to increased money supply and rising producer prices (costs). Those costs start at the raw material and labor level and flow through the supply chain until they reach the end consumer. But ultimately, it is the increased money supply from the government that is the root cause. Companies raising prices is the symptom of inflation, not the cause.


Most retailers operate on a model where the wholesale price is around half the retail price. Buy for 1, sell for 2. If my Cost of Goods Sold (COGS) goes from $10 to $11 (10% increase) I'm not going to raise my price from $20 to $21, I'm going to raise it to $22 - thus keeping a 50% margin. For the consumer it's still a 10% increase even though my costs went up $1 and I'm raising my price by $2. So yes, my profit increased by $1 from 10 to $11. However, when I go to buy another unit to sell, it costs me $11 instead of $10. Leaving me in the exact same place as before, even if on paper it looks like I'm more profitable. Because of inflation, any dollar of profit is going to buy less goods and services.

So just because companies are posting higher revenue and profits, if you adjust those for inflation, it wipes out most if not all of that increase. A company making a $100 million profit today is getting the same purchasing power as making a $90 million profit just a year or two ago.

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« Reply #1048 on: February 26, 2022, 02:57:15 PM »

So just because companies are posting higher revenue and profits, if you adjust those for inflation, it wipes out most if not all of that increase.

Bullshit. US corporate profits were up 50% in 2021. Inflation was 6-7%.

"Supply chain" "costs" "pandemic" - all being used as cover to justify rapacious price increases.

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« Reply #1049 on: February 26, 2022, 05:18:29 PM »

So just because companies are posting higher revenue and profits, if you adjust those for inflation, it wipes out most if not all of that increase.

Bullshit. US corporate profits were up 50% in 2021. Inflation was 6-7%.

"Supply chain" "costs" "pandemic" - all being used as cover to justify rapacious price increases.

What is the source for US corporate profits rising 50% in 2021? Is that 50% increase from 2020? If so, that's frankly a meaningless number due to the pandemic and lockdowns.