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Minimal traditional houses
« on: April 27, 2017, 01:40:17 PM »
I am doing a little research.  I am about to pay off my 1942 two-bedroom, one-bath 900 square foot home I purchased in 1999.  I live in a first-ring suburb of Minneapolis, where many houses similar to mine were constructed from the 1930's through the 1950's.  These little 2-bedroom houses are known as "minimal traditional" by architects, or unofficially, "midcentury modest" (credit: www.retrorenovation.com).  Turns out there are close to 30 million of them around the country.  They were built as a result of the FHA legislation in 1934, in which the federal government began backing home mortgages (Before this time, if you wanted a house you pretty much had to pay for most of it up front).  This enabled millions of people to own these homes with small down payments.

These "exuberant, optimistic" houses, while small, were very well constructed.  They were designed by professional architects, hungry for employment during the Great Depression.  In order to qualify for FHA-backed loans they were required to have a minimum of two bedrooms and be modern, meaning electricity indoor plumbing, central heating.  And they couldn't cost more than $10,000.  In order to meet these criteria most homes built were two-bedroom, one-bath homes, appliances included.  The common 3-bedroom Ranch came later, during the 1950's.

These homes today have the following benefits, of particular interest to MMM types:

Great locations in walkable and bike-able parts of cities and inner-ring suburbs.  Neighborhoods are filled with mature trees, and many of these areas are now undergoing major infrastructure investments including efficient LED lighting, bike and pedestrian paths, traffic-calming mechanisms such as roundabouts.  Where I live many people bicycle to/from downtown jobs (< 10 miles).  In addition, these areas are typically well-served by public transportation.  This is important for senior citizens, as it allows them to remain in their homes and still have mobility around the city.

Very efficient use of space, and green, simply because the most green houses are pre-existing houses;

Affordable:  these are not McMansions, and unlike new exurbs, the cities are fully developed:  there are no surprise assessments coming.  Smaller sizes translate into lower ongoing operating expenses such as heating bills, taxes and insurance.  The smaller sizes of these homes (especially closets) force one to always be ruthless about not collecting too many material possessions.  Another MMM benefit.

Classic designs that have stood the test of time, and will continue to do so.

Very well-constructed, with built-ins, hardwood floors, arched doorways, coved ceilings, double-hung windows made of real wood:  I can place a level anywhere in my house and the bubble is dead center.  This 75 years after construction. 

There are a LOT of these houses still in existence around the country.  I think the Millennials, in particular, will embrace them at some point, simply because they will not be able to afford bigger homes with lifestyles that require multiple cars and long commutes.

I have been criticized by others, including family, for choosing to purchase such an "under-sized" home, when, in their words, "I could afford so much more".  But now I am on the verge of owning it free and clear!

I am curious to know how many MMM types have opted for these down-sized abodes, avoiding the siren call of larger, newer homes? 

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 02:00:56 PM »
I do not own a minimal traditional home or any home for that matter, but reading your description of it has made me extremely jealous. I often look at homes for sale in my area and I don't come across many that are the right size(~1,000sq/ft) while also being well designed (in my opinion) like you have described.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 02:28:56 PM »
Mine's a different style, but similar size and age. Sometimes I wish we had more space, but I love my little old house (and the mortgage/upkeep costs that go with it!).

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 02:31:44 PM »
We live in the only slightly larger, 3 bedroom/1bath 1954 ranch.  It's efficient and remarkably well thought out given that it was built by my 8th grade educated grandfather.  While we could afford much larger, I (generally) love our home!  We live in IL and face crazily changing temperatures, but our energy bill is rarely much over $100--not bad considering that we live in the country and need an electric pump just to get water!

I think it's great that you've chosen to live in a smaller home.  You've recognized what you need, and you're not throwing away money on extra space that in the end would simply provide you with more headache!  More space just means that you would feel obligated to fill it with more stuff!

Congratulations on sticking to what is important to you and not giving in to peer pressure!

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 02:37:32 PM »
Nice post.  Those houses do sound desirable.   And regarding the criticism, I hope your critics don't confuse you with someone who cares what they think!

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 02:37:59 PM »
I own three of them as rentals. They are very well built and make great rentals. I intend to ultimately pull a MMM and buy one that is three bedrooms and do a full on gut and remodel. It will ultimately become my retirement home once my kids are grown and off to college. My personal home is a beautiful home on three acres in the township. I am very close to everything and my kids play outside every day. We have a garden and a woods with a creek. Truly we are blessed to have bought it at the bottom of the housing bust and then have it financed at the lowest rate that has ever been offered. Had it not been for that perfect storm, you would find me in a home like you describe.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 02:44:06 PM »
What an interesting thread! I've never heard of this but your description makes me wonder if the house we are in the process of buying fits the bill exactly. 1947 construction, originally 2/1 at 920 ft^2 and a single car garage that has since been converted to an additional bed and bath, for a total of something around 1100ft^2 of living space. We'll see how it was constructed as we live there, but the previous owners have done a fair amount of nice renovation. I'm thrilled to be purchasing this house. It is "affordable" considering where we live.

Where these houses built all across the US or are they more predominant in certain geographical areas?

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 02:44:50 PM »
To Capt j-rod:  Interesting, I have actually had two different senior citizens knock on my door the past few years and ask me if I wanted to sell.  They both lived in the neighborhood, loved it, had lived there most of their lives, and wanted to downsize while staying in the neighborhood.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 02:45:42 PM »
We are in the next size up/age/ring out from the city, in this case Chicago.  We live in a 3br/1.5ba* split level, ~1200sq ft + ~500sq ft "English" basement + crawl space, built in the 1950s.  Same idea, extremely well built (allowing for whatever the previous owners have done in the past decades as DIY projects), small lots, walkable areas, close to the train/industrial areas/access to downtown, etc.  Also, it's easy to update these houses and possible to do so in a relatively high-end way because of the small spaces.  Want premium carpet?  High end cabinetry?  A nice bathroom?  All relatively inexpensive because the spaces you are refinishing are small so your dollar stretches further.  My area is about half old-timers who have lived in the neighborhood for decades, and half young families in their first or second home who moved here for the good schools and proximity to jobs, even though we could get a lot more space and newer house elsewhere.


*Added another full bath ourselves in the basement


This is typical of the houses in my neighborhood:


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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 02:49:25 PM »
Ysette:  That 1947 2/1 with 1-car garage is pretty much the definition of the "minimal traditional".  They are all across the US.  Many were built to house workers in industrial cities during WWII, so there is a patriotic legacy associated with them.

A great resource for info on renovating these houses is www.retrorenovation.com.  Pam invented the term, "Midcentury modest".  Check out her "Midcentury modest manifesto".  It is VERY much the MMM philosophy, but applied to housing.

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 02:50:04 PM »
Midcentury modest! Yes, that would be my house, too. Very homey, very practical. Smaller than most people are looking for, but when I drive past a huge McMansion going up, I just snicker and enjoy my woodsy little house on the park all the more.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 02:58:04 PM »
I think we are in the process of buying one of these. It's funny, I just had to get a quote for home insurance, and it asked about the style of the house. I couldn't figure out what it is. I think I ended up calling it a "Cape Cod", because that was the only thing on the drop down menu that was remotely similar. It's just a basic little square house, exactly as you describe - 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1000 square feet, wood floors, 15 minutes walk from the center of the city, built in 1948 but still solid according to the inspection report. We are millennials, and while we actually could afford considerably more house, we wanted something walkable, and we just don't need that much space. Plus, more to stash.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 02:58:29 PM »
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Ysette:  That 1947 2/1 with 1-car garage is pretty much the definition of the "minimal traditional".  They are all across the US.  Many were built to house workers in industrial cities during WWII, so there is a patriotic legacy associated with them.

@hankandtina: thanks for cluing me in and for the resource! It's kind of neat to know that we are purchasing into something that is considered cool, and not just another crappy 1950s house. I am bummed by the lack of insulation, but that is something we will fix with time. The previous owners did about half the house and I'll have to look into having insulation blown into the remaining walls.

With the converted garage making the house a 3/2 I think it will be perfect for us. We live in a 3/1 right now and the lack of a second toilet can really be a pain, especially when guests are staying over. We have been going through closets and the garage now tossing things in preparation for the move and I'm just thrilled whenever we get rid of something. The idea of living in a nice 1100ft^2 is literally putting a smile on my face right now. It is a nice juxtaposition to the McMansionHell.com porn I have lately found myself sucked into. :)

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 03:00:54 PM »
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I think we are in the process of buying one of these. It's funny, I just had to get a quote for home insurance

I live in the Bay Area (CA), per my tag line, and we get insurance through USAA which is based out of Texas. I got some funny comments from the homeowner's insurance agent I was on the phone with the other week getting a policy set up for this house. The house is officially 920ft^2 since the garage conversion was done without permits. She just couldn't wrap her head around a <1000ft^2 house for $1M. :)

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 03:05:26 PM »
We live in a 1947, 2BR, 1BA, 1100 sf home.  Probably the same era and type.  No garage, though, because it was on a large lot and they later split the lot - the new house in the back (1960's) got the garage.

Of course in Coastal So Cal, it's still not affordable.

It's also not level, but then again...earthquakes and settling.  Everything rolls down to the front corner of the house.

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »
Here is a typical example of "minimal traditional" house:

One or 1 1/2 story;
Shallow to medium, simple roof line, gabled or hip roofs;
Dominant-facing gable;
Often a small covered porch, simple columns;
Single or double-hung windows (don't ever replace!)
Minimal ornamentation, although many have solid wood panel doors.






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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2017, 03:23:41 PM »
https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISe8bmfbi62vtf1000000000.jpg

Let's see if I can get a pointer to a photo to work correctly in this forum. This is what we are buying. Single-car converted garage is off to the left.

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2017, 03:26:28 PM »
SilveradoBoJangles:  You will end up loving the house, location, and lifestyle.   And as time goes by, it will become more-and-more cost-effective.  These houses are also low-risk, because they have stood for so many years.  Any settling or other major things would have happened many years ago.  I thought my small, old house was only going to be a "starter" home for a few years.  Been there 18, love the ability to walk or bike almost anywhere we need.  Only need a car for commuting to work or friends in far-flung exurbs :(

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2017, 03:26:41 PM »
Cleveland and the older suburbs around it are full of houses like that too. There are lots of brick 2 bedroom cape cods and most of them are still in good shape from the outside. I'm sure the insulation, plumbing, and electrical could stand to be updated, but the guts and shell of the home are solid.

I wish newer homes were built like older homes. I would much rather have a smaller home with better materials than a huge home with bullshit materials. My in laws spent a huge amount of money to have a 2.5 bath ranch built. It has MDF woodwork, formica counters, the floor is some engineered stuff with a picture of wood on it, and the bathrooms are just vinyl floors and fiberglass tub surrounds. There is  no masonry, not even for the chimney.

Most people just want new square footage :(

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2017, 03:28:46 PM »
Ysette9:  Yes, that is a Minimal traditional home.  Note the shallow roof, single story, small covered porch with simple columns, classic design.  You will come to love it.

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2017, 03:34:42 PM »
DC suburbs are full of these types of houses. Cape cods, center hall colonials, and ranches built between 1930-1950s. I heard the heavy construction was also because it was assumed that people would eventually expand the houses. In my neighborhood most of the houses now have additions, second stories, etc. I grew up in a similarly designed neighborhood in Michigan. I like these neighborhoods and home styles.

The houses in michigan and the ones in this area also all have 1950s bathrooms with odd color combinations of ceramic tile in the bathroom. I have one mint green and black and the other peach and a weird deep purple. My childhood home had grey pink and maroon.

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2017, 03:37:57 PM »
There is a whole movement to save those old pink bathrooms!

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 03:39:11 PM »
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Ysette9:  Yes, that is a Minimal traditional home.  Note the shallow roof, single story, small covered porch with simple columns, classic design.  You will come to love it.

I love it already and I haven't even moved in. Big yard for my gardening and fruit trees, double-pane windows, central heat, two toilets, and a bathtub: what luxury! The main bathroom was totally remodeled and is lovely, complete with heated tile floors. Once we replace the roof which needs to be done immediately, we'll probably add a skylight or two to make it that much more awesome-ballz.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 05:31:31 PM »
Here is a typical example of "minimal traditional" house:

One or 1 1/2 story;
Shallow to medium, simple roof line, gabled or hip roofs;
Dominant-facing gable;
Often a small covered porch, simple columns;
Single or double-hung windows (don't ever replace!)
Minimal ornamentation, although many have solid wood panel doors.

We totally replaced the double hung windows.

The previous owner painted and nailed them shut.  There were 10 layers of paint on them.  We very painstakingly stripped the paint off of two windows to refurb them, and said "screw this" and replaced them all.

Definitely made controlling the interior temp of the house much easier, better, and cheaper.  Also, no more condensation on the inside of the windows.  Plus, much quieter.

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 06:25:17 PM »
My parent's house was built in the the early 1900's. 1100 sq ft or so. We were a family of 6. Luckily there was a basement so 4 teenage boys could have their own rooms once we semi-finished the basement. My basement room was cement floor, drywall and a futon mattress on a shelf.

When I bought my first house it was 1080 sq ft, though with a garage. It never once felt too small with just my wife and I plus 2 dogs. The master had a walk in closet and dual sinks FFS. Luxury! I felt like we had plenty of space. To be fair it had a garage where I had my squat rack.

Personally I don't think a 'small' house is the downside people often think about. If it's designed well with the kitchen/great room, natural light and especially higher ceilings it won't feel closed in. And you have lower utility bills, lower taxes and lets face it, a smaller mortgage. Win win win.

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2017, 06:31:14 PM »
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I think we are in the process of buying one of these. It's funny, I just had to get a quote for home insurance

I live in the Bay Area (CA), per my tag line, and we get insurance through USAA which is based out of Texas. I got some funny comments from the homeowner's insurance agent I was on the phone with the other week getting a policy set up for this house. The house is officially 920ft^2 since the garage conversion was done without permits. She just couldn't wrap her head around a <1000ft^2 house for $1M. :)

Oh yeah, I live in the Bay Area now. That is one of the reasons we are moving!

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2017, 06:40:15 PM »
SilveradoBoJangles:  You will end up loving the house, location, and lifestyle.   And as time goes by, it will become more-and-more cost-effective.  These houses are also low-risk, because they have stood for so many years.  Any settling or other major things would have happened many years ago.  I thought my small, old house was only going to be a "starter" home for a few years.  Been there 18, love the ability to walk or bike almost anywhere we need.  Only need a car for commuting to work or friends in far-flung exurbs :(

Thanks, I'm excited! This is our first time buying a house, but I have to say, we both felt that this house was the right one when we felt absolutely no stress about putting an offer on it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2017, 07:19:48 PM »
There is a whole movement to save those old pink bathrooms!

I'm about to have the mint and black one gutted. There is something lovely and sentimental about the colors but at this point the cracked shower pan and weird layout both need to be improved.

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2017, 03:03:16 AM »
There is a whole movement to save those old pink bathrooms!

I'm about to have the mint and black one gutted. There is something lovely and sentimental about the colors but at this point the cracked shower pan and weird layout both need to be improved.



Is there anything that can be done to just recreate that existing look? So remake the mint and black bathrooom (which sounds awesome and sentimental, like you said). We actually had a pink bathroom that had a cracked terrazzo shower pan. To save money, we just rebuilt the pink shower and shower.pan. You would never know we changed anything from 1959 now, so win/win. Maybe you could keep that look, yet make your edits with the layout? Just a thought....

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2017, 03:43:22 AM »
Jumping in that we love our house, but I don't think DH would have went smaller. An even smaller house sounds awesome! Ours is 1642 sq ft 3/2 (really 3/1.75 with an 4th room/office nook for DH), built in 1959. We faced multiple offers on this house but we wrote letter to seller explainjng we loved the house as-is and had no plans to gut or demolish it (super common in my neighborhood). We are family of 4. The layout is just amazing and so well thought through.

Walking distance to everything, so quiet, efficienct with space, pink bathroom, 100% brick exterior, meticulously maintained, original wall oven and cooktop (Frigidaires, but made by General Motors back then - I even have the original appliance manuals), pocket doors  really divide the spaces for privacy to make it a little compact home.

It's a breeze to clean too. I feel like I am never far away from being company ready because we have less stuff

We refinanced our house this month and paid down principle a bit so our mortgage is only 899/month, which is laughable in this area. Property taxes lower since we have less square footage than other homes. We need insulation in attic but our cooling/heating bills are already really reasonable that I don't see how we would recoup money.

We lived in a new build briefly and we hated it. So cheap, corners cut to save a buck, hubby said he could hear my conversations with the kids on the street because drywall/vinyl so paper thin, no trees to block noise so you heard ever car driving by (maybe I am sensitive to noise)....plus house had no personality and you had to drive everywhere. We could not pack fast enough to get to this new house.

I highly recommend Retro Renovation website. I have been following it for almost 2 years. Great resource!

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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2017, 03:49:15 AM »
There are a LOT of these houses still in existence around the country.  I think the Millennials, in particular, will embrace them at some point, simply because they will not be able to afford bigger homes with lifestyles that require multiple cars and long commutes.

I've lived in a neighborhood like you described for 4 years now.  We're renting a house that was built in the 40s.

Every week I see a new 20-somethings with kids moving in, or walking around, that I haven't seen before. Also, it seems like every couple of months one of the elderly passes away, or there is an estate sale.  The old are leaving and the young are coming.  Who doesn't live in this neighborhood?  Teens.   So, it's all elderly and young people of my generation.


Why I love my neighborhood:

  • I can bike to kroger, 2 natural grocery stores, hardware store, movie theater, 3 phramacies, 3 parks, downtown, and a plethora of restaurants and bars, doctor, dentist, church, train station, all within a 5-7min bike from my house.
  • The lot sizes are large. I grew up in typical suburban sprawl, and I never knew anyone who has a yard as big as the backyard I currently have.
  • Trees everywhere!

What I don't like:

The house is kind of old.


I think the pros outweigh the cons.





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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2017, 08:33:19 AM »
Those huge McMansions squeezed tightly between the minimal traditional homes are obscene.  I mean, it really begs the question:  What were these people thinking when they did this?  There are a couple of these in my neighborhood, same deal: completely oversized next to the other houses.  It is a symbol of the hyper consumer / keeping-up-with-the-Jones's mentality most people have.

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2017, 08:59:32 AM »
I agree that the McMansions going in when a small house is razed is very unfortunate. They loom over the rest of the neighborhood like a fat bully that you can't get away from. At least in my area the housing prices are so expensive that people build real mansions instead of McMansions (better design, higher quality materials) so they aren't so ugly, they just look out of place.

Speaking of which, for anyone who hasn't gone down the rabbit hole of McMansion porn, I highly recommend this site: http://www.mcmansionhell.com/archive. :)

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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2017, 10:08:33 AM »
Speaking of which, for anyone who hasn't gone down the rabbit hole of McMansion porn, I highly recommend this site: http://www.mcmansionhell.com/archive. :)

Thank you so much. Not sure I will get anything done at work now.

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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2017, 10:25:48 AM »
Those huge McMansions squeezed tightly between the minimal traditional homes are obscene.  I mean, it really begs the question:  What were these people thinking when they did this? 

I agree that the McMansions going in when a small house is razed is very unfortunate. They loom over the rest of the neighborhood like a fat bully that you can't get away from.

I raised this point in another thread; MMMers always want to push people to not live in far-away suburbs creating a (stupid phrase) 'clown car' commute, contribute to sprawl, etc.  And I think we can recognize not everyone wants to live in a 900sq ft house.  So where do you guys propose these people live?  If they want a larger house, and they want the convenience of living in close-in neighborhoods in line with what you guys tout you haven't really left them with a lot of choice.


I also submit that the threshold for "mcmansion" is artificially low for the average MMMer who considers anything 2k sq ft extravagently wasteful.

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2017, 10:40:21 AM »
For me it all comes down to proportion. If you are building a house that is a full story taller than anything else in the neighborhood and fills up the entire lot all the way up to the setback requirements, leaving 6 feet of space all the way around, that is excessive. If you need a house that large (maybe you have your entire extended family living with you?) then you need to find a larger lot.

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2017, 10:41:12 AM »
Chris:  You raise a good point:  not everyone can fit in these older, inner-ring suburbs in single family houses.  And, since all these McMansions have been built, it is unrealistic to think they are going away; someone will live in them.  I guess the market will sort this out.  I feel lucky to live where I do, even though I have a very small house.  But I have many friends and relatives who abhor my lifestyle and where I live.  They have a perception that living close to the city is high crime, poor schools, all politically liberal folks.  Sometimes the truth is hard to find, I think that is part of what makes us MMMers. 

I think to each his own, live and let live, right?  I personally enjoy history, fixing old things.  This makes owning an old house a good fit for me.  I am handy and do the majority of updates/maintenance by myself or with help from a good friend (who retired at 35, but before the MMM phenomena)  I still have my stereo I bought in 1983, and a 30 year old Peugeot bicycle that was found in a dumpster and restored.

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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2017, 10:53:19 AM »
I would just like to note for those who are curious, Virginia McAlester's "A Field Guide to American Houses" is the definitive guide to American housing architectural styles.  She coined the "Minimal Traditional" term, which she alternatively refers to as "Banker's Modern".  These were really the first modern homes for the masses, spurred by a combination of the Great Depression, WWII housing needs for industrial workers, then fulfilling promises to returning GI's for affordable housing.  Although small, with features such as small closets that are unpopular today, these affordable homes are easy to expand and remodel. 

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2017, 11:20:08 AM »
Thanks for the info. After reading this post, it looks like my home fits that same bill. I've lived in this home for 5 years now and hearing a possible back story behind it is great. I live in a 2br/1bath 1000sqft house built around 1942. It was originally even less square footage, but the owner before me put in an extension to our living room that added another 150sqft or so. It is nice because the addition creates a much larger living room that is great for hosting, but still keeps the same small home size. So it is very efficient with space in that respect. You don't need 6 rooms that you rarely ever use, you just need one nice one that gets used all the time.

It is a dirt cheap house (~$80,000) that is cheaper than renting a 1 bedroom apartment in this area.

My wife has the urge to want to someday move to another house, but I would really like to stay put. Maybe some of the info in this thread I can use to persuade her. The good thing is that last time her urge to move came up I convinced her that rather than moving because she "wants" to move, we'll plan to move when we "need" to move. I think if we continue to make this house work and make it our own with various improvements, that need will never come up!

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2017, 11:54:08 AM »
LifeAnon:  Sure sounds like your house is a "minimal traditional",  I am assuming you probably live in a neighborhood filled with like style/size houses.  I bought my 900 sq ft 2/1 for $125,000 back in 1999.  Many of the houses in my neighborhood have added a small addition as you describe.  I am thinking of adding one off my small dining room, because it would give me better access to my brick patio (I installed in 2000 for a  few hundred dollars and my own labor), as well as the opportunity to add a fireplace to my home (a nice feature to have here in Minnesota with very long, cold winters).

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2017, 11:59:32 AM »
Speaking of which, for anyone who hasn't gone down the rabbit hole of McMansion porn, I highly recommend this site: http://www.mcmansionhell.com/archive. :)

Thank you so much. Nort sure I will get anything done at work now.

Agreed. So much awesome. Going to be late clocking in from my lunch break, thanks to this gem!

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2017, 12:43:47 PM »
I recently bought a house, and part of me wishes I had gone with a cheaper/smaller "minimal traditional" house. There just weren't that many available in my area, and I bought a "way larger" 1200 sqft 3/2.5 house built in 1928. Aside from the thick, poorly applied layers of latex paint covering the original layers of lead paint covering what's probably really nice hardwood trim, and the other usual old house problems, I'm enjoying the too big but otherwise perfect for me layout.

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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2017, 12:46:21 PM »
We have a lot of friends who live in these midcentury modest type houses. My only complaint about them is the ceiling height. 7'-8" to 8' ceilings are just too low. Even much larger houses from the 1950's era have 8' ceilings which feel like walking around in a bunker after living in a home with 9' to10' ceilings.

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2017, 12:56:25 PM »
My house has 8'3" ceilings, 7' ceiling in basement (unfinished).

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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2017, 01:14:35 PM »
 I think location and affordability is the big selling point for any of these inner loop homes. You can go smaller or go with a larger outdated home. We chose the later, with a much older house (1910's) in an inner suburb. 4 bedrooms and 1 bath when we moved and and through renovation will be a 3 bed / 2.5 bath house around 1700 sf. It is expensive on the utilities, and has the non-level, not quite straight "charm" of an old home.

My dream home would be to tear down a home in the neighborhood i live now and build a really nice modular home:


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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2017, 08:36:07 PM »
I have one of these homes!  It was built in 1941 and originally around 650sqft, though with a small add on, it's now up to 852.  I know there are hardwood floors under this crappy clicklock stuff that I hope to reveal and finish this summer.  There's an arched doorway in the kitchen and I'm looking to replace what used to be french doors between the living room and the larger bedroom.  Unfortunately, the original windows are gone, except for one that was placed in the storage room in the add on.

My neighborhood is full of these little houses (some as small as 400sqft that haven't been added on to).  I was told by an older neighbor that these houses were built to house workers at the local steel mill.  The houses were big enough for mom and a kid or two to hang out and garden (all of them on around a 1/4 acre) while dad went to work at the mill.

I do love my little house, though I'll admit to wanting a turn of the century brick house at some point.  I absolutely love their charm and quirky details.  I think I'll always keep this one as a rental though.

My mortgage is priced right... $657/month.  I've been helping a friend apartment hunt lately and can't find a one bedroom priced less than $700/month.