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Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« on: January 18, 2023, 08:46:37 PM »
TBH, I want to go too, but starting to look and plan I see it could be a fortune.  Just airfare will be $5-6k for five of us.  Accommodations (likely Airbnb) most likely won't be cheap. Haven't even looked at rental cars yet.  And while there is plenty of free or low cost stuff to do, we would want to do some $$ stuff. 

Adding it all together, the price tag looks like it could be $15k-20k+ for 7-10 days. Wtf.   That's crazy.....people actually do this!   

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2023, 09:16:26 PM »
We either use miles or companion fare (credit card perk, with Alaska Airlines) for trips to Hawaii, and typically book the hotel/car rental through Costco travel. We've never spent that much, including when we took my parents (4 adults, 2 teens).

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2023, 09:37:22 PM »
Get an airline bonus card, spend the minimum, get miles. Repeat for your spouse. Chase has the United card, Amex has the Delta card, Citi has the American card.



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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2023, 10:12:08 PM »
Well it’s just me.  I’m going in April, $600 for a flight.  $250-300 for a hotel resort fees, I had Hilton points.  $700 for a rental car, say another $300-500 for gas and parking.  I’ll probably be $4000 or less for 8 days/7nights.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2023, 10:31:56 PM »
Aunt had a wedding in Maui last summer. We flew from Oakland to Maui for 30k Southwest points (I think the cash fare was around $350-400) for 1 person, but the second person flies free because we have the Southwest Companion Pass. Both the points and the Companion Pass were earned through credit card churning. (Phenomenal deal by the way, you get to fly 2-for-1 on all flights for up to 2 years!) If we lived further from the west coast the cost certainly would have been more.

We stayed at a Vrbo condo for $1,370 for 7 nights (don't worry, the wedding wasn't 7 days long, we made a vacation of it!). We didn't have enough points from churning at the time to stay at a hotel, though we might have chosen the short term rental anyway because it had a kitchen. Got groceries at to Costco as everyone recommended we do. Not to say we didn't eat out plenty as well. Overall pretty happy with the mustachianness of the trip, though it doesn't come close to MMM's strategy of "make a friend, do a project on their house, and then stay with them for free"!


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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2023, 11:07:37 PM »
We fly first class, get a rental car & a beachfront condo in a very nice area for 5 weeks and don’t spend anywhere near $15K-20K. You can certainly go for much less than that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2023, 04:20:42 AM »
Wow that's alot, but for 5 people it sounds more reasonable on a per person basis. Still a huge spendypants and short vacation though.

I'm in a family vacation pickle as well, my mother is planning a trip to Scotland and wants us all to attend for a week. Her style is travel-as-entertainment and will involve a packed itinerary of excursions with tourism companies, staying in fancy hotels, and eating fancy meals.

Scotland doesn't interest us, and I like to travel slow and have to work at it. So now I'm wrestling with whether to be a curmudgeon and refuse. For the record we live close to my mother and spend a ton of time with them.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2023, 05:01:30 AM »
We either use miles or companion fare (credit card perk, with Alaska Airlines) for trips to Hawaii, and typically book the hotel/car rental through Costco travel. We've never spent that much, including when we took my parents (4 adults, 2 teens).

I need to figure this out.  We'd love to go as a family, but the expense has always been prohibitive. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2023, 05:23:04 AM »
We fly first class, get a rental car & a beachfront condo in a very nice area for 5 weeks and don’t spend anywhere near $15K-20K. You can certainly go for much less than that.

In 1970?

Just did a bit more specific research, for the cheapest listings that pop up (so probably worst flight -think it had a 6 hour layover, smallest car, and probably not great Airbnb)
Air -  $1057+ x 5 =  $5,285.
Car - $1,100
AirBnb - $4,700

That's $11k right there.   Seasonality (summer) and flying from east coast probably contributes to the exp but you know that's when we can go bc of school and such.  Family of five doesn't help matters.


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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2023, 05:29:37 AM »
Bring a tent. When I went last year it cost $3 per adult per night to camp at the beach in Kauai.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2023, 06:11:45 AM »
We just went. It was not cheap, but cheaper than our trip to Alaska and way better imo.

900$ flights x 4 people
2500$ Air BNB for a week (not fancy and not on the beach was key. If we'd gotten something on the beach it would have been twice that).
Car through turo, I don't remember the price but it was reasonable. Again we picked an old not fancy option.

Whole there we did one expensive activity (snorkeling at500$ total for a family of 4) and other than that did free stuff (hiking, beach, national parks). We are out one meal a day at non touristy beach restaurants and prices were very similar to mainland. I looked at menus of some restaurants at the beach and prices were double. We got groceries at a regular grocery store and also found those prices fairly similar to mainland.

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2023, 06:21:46 AM »
Is a rental car worth it for Hawaii compared to Uber as needed?  Do you tend to do enough driving that having your car is better?  Is the traffic bad enough that you want to avoid dealing with it?

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2023, 06:24:39 AM »
OP, how far out are you planning?  If you are planning a trip for 2023, you are too late to be cheap.  We just had Thanksgiving on Oahu; the in-laws are big planners.  They booked a full year ahead, and had first class for $1,500 each.  Airfares have gone up, but by the time we looked in Feb. last year, they were $3,000 each.

Planning and booking ahead...way ahead...is the best way to go cheaply.

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2023, 06:26:04 AM »
You could look at why you want to go to Hawaii.  What are you getting out of it?  Do you want to be somewhere warm?  Is it the allure of the beach?  Bragging rights so you can seem like you can afford expensive vacations?  Placating the family?  Once you know what it is that you are really trying to get, you can figure out if there is a cheaper way to achieve that.  If you just want to get to a warm, pretty beach area, perhaps a road trip would accomplish that without having to fly.

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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2023, 06:44:52 AM »
I agree that I would examine why you specifically want to go to Hawaii.

I mean, sure, it's beautiful and shit, but so are an enormous amount of places that are infinitely cheaper.

I would honestly assess what it is about Hawaii that appeals to you, and then do research for places that offer similar benefits and do a comparison analysis to see if the specific benefits of Hawaii are worth the premium.

I mean, if there's literally nothing else you would do you entire life than spend this amount to go to Hawaii for a week, then go nuts.
But it's worth looking at places that you could go for an entire month for the same price.

Unless you're the type of person who is comfortable regularly spending that much on a single trip. I would personally be inclined to aim for a longer, more bucket-list type of trip if this was going to be a rare indulgence.

Friends of mine are wealthy and went to Hawaii with their kid for a week a few years ago, and then the next year spent about the same amount on over a month in Thailand. They really enjoyed Hawaii, they absolutely raved for an entire year about Thailand.

I'm not saying there are better options for *your* family than Hawaii, plenty of people have Hawaii as their prime bucket-list destination. But it's worth doing the mental exercise to see what it is that matters to you that you are actually paying for.

Hawaii will always come at a massive premium, so just make sure that the premium is worth it, for *you*.

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2023, 06:47:10 AM »
Some of what money is for is to do cool stuff, and this might just qualify.

We are currently planning a 20th anniversary Alaskan cruise. Among the reasons to do it sooner are because it would be better to go while young.

Along with the cruise there's airfare/hotel to the west coast. And that may include an extra night because what if I never go there again? What's the cost of staying an extra night? What the worth of it, as well.


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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2023, 06:55:29 AM »
OP, how far out are you planning?  If you are planning a trip for 2023, you are too late to be cheap.  We just had Thanksgiving on Oahu; the in-laws are big planners.  They booked a full year ahead, and had first class for $1,500 each.  Airfares have gone up, but by the time we looked in Feb. last year, they were $3,000 each.

Planning and booking ahead...way ahead...is the best way to go cheaply.

That could certainly be a problem.  I am not a planner bc there is generally too much going on but it's January and planning for July or August to me is a lifetime in advance.   I mean it only takes 9 months to plan for a kid right!

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2023, 07:01:32 AM »
You could look at why you want to go to Hawaii.  What are you getting out of it?  Do you want to be somewhere warm?  Is it the allure of the beach?  Bragging rights so you can seem like you can afford expensive vacations?  Placating the family?  Once you know what it is that you are really trying to get, you can figure out if there is a cheaper way to achieve that.  If you just want to get to a warm, pretty beach area, perhaps a road trip would accomplish that without having to fly.

Been to Hawaii twice without kids and long ago.   It's a great place with so much to do and explore and I want the kids to feel it too.   Hikes, snorkeling, pearl harbor, volcanoes, waterfalls, local food in the hills is the best, etc.   

I am not a resort person but DW skews that way, kids are indifferent so when we travel it has to be somewhere in between close enough to amenities, decent place with enough space (won't jam 5 people in a hotel room) but with plenty of activity options around.   Hawaii generally checks all this.

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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2023, 07:38:21 AM »
I don’t know your financial situation but why in the world would you spend that much to go to Hawaii? I was there years ago (at a fraction of the cost, couldn’t do that today) and would never consider going there for that price.

Go somewhere culturally enriching that will give your family memories to discuss at the dinner table years later.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2023, 08:01:35 AM »

I would honestly assess what it is about Hawaii that appeals to you, and then do research for places that offer similar benefits and do a comparison analysis to see if the specific benefits of Hawaii are worth the premium.

I mean, if there's literally nothing else you would do you entire life than spend this amount to go to Hawaii for a week, then go nuts.
But it's worth looking at places that you could go for an entire month for the same price.


^ such a good idea.

FWIW, OP - we did take out whole family (of 4) to Hawaii and it was expensive but not 10k.

We used SW points for the flights, we "rented" timeshare points for the lodging, got car rental through Costco, and we got most of our food from the ABC stores when we were there. We ate one meal out at happy hour.

We did shell out for a helicopter ride- but our favorite things were free.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2023, 08:04:25 AM »
Tips to max value from a Hawaii trip.


1. Go to Maui as it is the cheapest and has the widest variety of stuff to do.
2. Stay at a modest condo in Kihei, South Maui.  Cheapest area to stay. Family friendly.  Cheapest restaurants.  Close to lots of action. Best weather.
3. Rent from Hawaiian Rent A Car.  Best prices ($500/wk for small 4WD SUV, unlimited drivers) but also the best service you will ever have.  The car looks like a local vehicle and comes with a snorkle kit, chairs, roof racks, small cooler, maps, etc.
4. Find the cheapest date to go for rates, flights.  Use miles. Fly direct to Maui. Avoid holidays, school breaks.  I was just there in mid Dec and it was dead.
5. Avoid the crazy spendy stuff like parasailing, shows, and luaus (>$100pp).
6. Shop at Costco and local farmer's market and groceries.   Dine out where the locals eat for cheap not at idiotic tourist traps. L&L Hawaiian BBQ is the bomb.  Poke can be a bargain, especially at groceries even Safeway.  Take or pick up a large cooler for the car so you can take drinks, bag lunches, etc.
7. Drive the entire island enjoying sights, hikes, snorkeling and swimming. Includes north side and Hana.  Don't shop or eat in Ka'anapali - it is a very spendy tourist trap.  Black's Beach has good snorkeling, however.  Visit the volcano for sunrise or sunset.
8. You can drive to all the best snorkeling - no need for a boat trip.  If you splurge on a boat trip for whale watching or Molokini, don't pay full price. Use coupons or other discounts.  Use the Kihei boat launch for Molokini trips.
9. Study intensively before you go so you understand the language, culture, history, etc.  You will get a lot more out of the trip.


Your family will love it and have the trip of a lifetime. We have been going almost annually for decades and it never gets old.

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2023, 08:33:56 AM »
Yeah, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the "find another beach" concept.  Hawaii is just different -- particularly the Big Island.  Then again, DH and I are divers, and so the lava tubes were a huge part of the appeal.  And of course we did one very romantic but $$$ torchlit dinner on the beach (hey, we were newly married, enjoying being well-paid DINKs, and not even thinking of FIRE).  But some of my favorite memories are sitting on the upstairs balcony of the much cheaper restaurant off the beach, underneath the lazy fans, talking about the time DH ate shrimp heads.  One of the disappointments of being East Coast now is it's just much longer/harder/more expensive, so we haven't been back in years (it's easier/cheaper to go to Europe).

The way you do it cheaply is what other folks have said:  plan the trip for 2024 or (even better) 2025.  Get the affiliated CCs, and build up the points.  We have Southwest and Marriott cards, and those will both serve you well for such a trip (given that SW flies to Hawaii, and their points are IME infinitely easier to use than other airlines'*).  Planning ahead also allows you to plan cheaper vacations for the next summer or two to offset the higher cost. 

Or do what we did the very first time we went:  get your employer to pay to send you to a conference there, so one airfare and hotel room is covered.**  ;-)


*We just planned a trip on American, which is usually decent, but DH didn't have quite enough miles to cover all three of us and so needed to buy some extra miles.  Overnight (literally) the cost of the extra miles went from $200 to $750.  Grrrr.)

**I just went to Austria with DH on a similar deal -- cost us literally $1K for an entire week, most of which was airfare.  Really really hoping for an Italy trip next fall!  And FWIW, highly recommend Condor Airlines for Europe in summer, if they operate near you. 

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2023, 08:46:03 AM »
Yeah, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the "find another beach" concept.  Hawaii is just different -- particularly the Big Island.  Then again, DH and I are divers, and so the lava tubes were a huge part of the appeal.  And of course we did one very romantic but $$$ torchlit dinner on the beach (hey, we were newly married, enjoying being well-paid DINKs, and not even thinking of FIRE).  But some of my favorite memories are sitting on the upstairs balcony of the much cheaper restaurant off the beach, underneath the lazy fans, talking about the time DH ate shrimp heads.  One of the disappointments of being East Coast now is it's just much longer/harder/more expensive, so we haven't been back in years (it's easier/cheaper to go to Europe).

The way you do it cheaply is what other folks have said:  plan the trip for 2024 or (even better) 2025.  Get the affiliated CCs, and build up the points.  We have Southwest and Marriott cards, and those will both serve you well for such a trip (given that SW flies to Hawaii, and their points are IME infinitely easier to use than other airlines'*).  Planning ahead also allows you to plan cheaper vacations for the next summer or two to offset the higher cost. 

Or do what we did the very first time we went:  get your employer to pay to send you to a conference there, so one airfare and hotel room is covered.**  ;-)


*We just planned a trip on American, which is usually decent, but DH didn't have quite enough miles to cover all three of us and so needed to buy some extra miles.  Overnight (literally) the cost of the extra miles went from $200 to $750.  Grrrr.)

**I just went to Austria with DH on a similar deal -- cost us literally $1K for an entire week, most of which was airfare.  Really really hoping for an Italy trip next fall!  And FWIW, highly recommend Condor Airlines for Europe in summer, if they operate near you.

I don't think people are saying to "just find another beach." I know that what I am saying is to compare Hawaii to other locations and decide if that special thing that's "different" about Hawaii is worth the premium compared to other stunning, beachy locations.

Maybe in the end, the magical specialness of Hawaii is really worth the premium for OP, and if it is, then cool, but the world is vast and stunning and there are a lot of places that don't cost the same premium as Hawaii.

I would especially consider this traveling with kids who I've often found are more flexible about where they go, and often care more about amenities and activities than magical natural sights.

That said, OP has already been there twice, so they're more than equipped to assess if the particular specialness of Hawaii is worth it to them.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2023, 08:51:26 AM »
You could look at why you want to go to Hawaii.  What are you getting out of it?  Do you want to be somewhere warm?  Is it the allure of the beach?  Bragging rights so you can seem like you can afford expensive vacations?  Placating the family?  Once you know what it is that you are really trying to get, you can figure out if there is a cheaper way to achieve that.  If you just want to get to a warm, pretty beach area, perhaps a road trip would accomplish that without having to fly.

Been to Hawaii twice without kids and long ago.   It's a great place with so much to do and explore and I want the kids to feel it too.   Hikes, snorkeling, pearl harbor, volcanoes, waterfalls, local food in the hills is the best, etc.   

I am not a resort person but DW skews that way, kids are indifferent so when we travel it has to be somewhere in between close enough to amenities, decent place with enough space (won't jam 5 people in a hotel room) but with plenty of activity options around.   Hawaii generally checks all this.

I lived on Kauai full-time from 2015 to 2019. Since 2019, I typically visit 3 times/year, flying from Denver. One trip will be a family vacation. The other two trips are by myself to surf with friends and do landscaping on the yard at my rental house. Southwest is the cheapest. My second option is Alaska Airlines (with companion fare $99). The range of cost per ticket has been $350-$650 with an average cost of $450. Because we have the Southwest companion fare, the cost is $900 for 3 people or 64,000 points. 

My wife signed up for the personal card in December 2022 and got 75,000 bonus points. She is going to get the business card in January 2023 and get $80,000 points. You get a 20,000 points for each referral. Southwest now gets you a 10,000 bonus per card after 1 month of use. Add a modest $15,000/year worth of normal spending and that gets you to 230,000 points pretty easily. The cost of the two cards are $69 (personal) & $199 (business) per year. We are much higher than 230,000 points because we have additional referrals at 20,000 each and we have business spending. They do cap referrals at 5 per year per person. However, you can get 200,000 points/year, just in referrals (per couple). 

Different islands will have different price points. However, Hawaii overall got more expensive post-COVID, similar to Florida. Hawaii is more expensive than Florida, but they experienced similar price increases. Japan recently reduced COVID-19 restrictions (October 2022). The wealthy Japanese that love Hawaii are going to juice the price of Hawaii for the next 9-12 months. There is a good chance it might be cheaper next year after you let the Japanese have their fun.

For Kauai, Turo and the company "island cars" ($50/day) are much cheaper than airport rentals ($100-$150/day). I have a minivan, so I don't pay for a rental car. I had some friends visit in May 2021 and they paid $200/day to rent an economy car from the airport for 7 days ($1400/total).

The most expensive months are typically December - March. The cheapest months are typically August-September, party because the weather can be a little hot and humid. If you get an airbnb type condo, make sure it has air conditioning. The cheaper ones don't have AC. It's not a problem for December - March. However, it could be a major problem for August - September. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2023, 09:36:47 AM »
I'll second the people asking when you are planning to go. I am hoping not within the next 6 months so you have time to rack up credit card rewards points.

For reference, I am going to Hawaii in March. Last year, I signed up for the 2 of the Chase Southwest cards and got enough points (around 130,000) to get the companion pass (free flights for 1 designated companion anywhere you go). I found flights round trip from a smaller east coast city from 90,000 points (and then my wife can fly with me for free). We used Chase Ultimate Rewards points to cover 5 nights at Hyatt hotels, and Capital One points to cover 2 nights at Wyndham hotels. This left us to cover just 4 nights on our own dime. Around $1200 total.

Just wanted to show that it is possible to cover a good chunk of the cost if you sign up for some credit card offers! Especially if you and your spouse both sign up for cards. Only thing we are paying for out of pocket are the 4 extra hotel nights, rental car for half the trip (~$400), and food.

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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2023, 10:05:19 AM »
We fly first class, get a rental car & a beachfront condo in a very nice area for 5 weeks and don’t spend anywhere near $15K-20K. You can certainly go for much less than that.

In 1970?

Just did a bit more specific research, for the cheapest listings that pop up (so probably worst flight -think it had a 6 hour layover, smallest car, and probably not great Airbnb)
Air -  $1057+ x 5 =  $5,285.
Car - $1,100
AirBnb - $4,700

That's $11k right there.   Seasonality (summer) and flying from east coast probably contributes to the exp but you know that's when we can go bc of school and such.  Family of five doesn't help matters.

No, not 1970. 2022 & 2023 + times pre-Covid, but I’m not counting those as it was cheaper then. We leave later this month for our 2023 trip.

Air - $1037 each (first class, would have been ~$500 each coach)
Car - $1144 (could have just done periodic rentals but we opt for the full trip)
Lodging - $5500 (we don’t rent through Airbnb - in fact, most rentals on island require 29+ day stays, be very careful about making sure you have a licensed rental)

The above represents travel during Hawaii’s peak season, so I know we could do it for less if we went during the summer months.

If staying for a longer period of time is an option for you, I can DM you a link for the company we go through and the condo complex we stay out. It’s in Ko Olina, right near Disney Aulani, Four Seasons & Marriott’s Ko Olina Vacation Club resorts. Gorgeous area.

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2023, 10:06:44 AM »
Why not just go to Jamaica for a tiny fraction of the price and a more convenient flight time?

You could stay at an all-inclusive luxury beach resort for less than the price of plane tickets, the scuba diving / snorkeling is awesome, the natural scenery is awesome, etc. See https://www.tripadvisor.com/SmartDeals-g147309-zft9672,16545-Jamaica-Hotel-Deals.html for lots of options to stay a week for $2k-$4k as a family.

Of course, Jamaica is not the only option - just a place I visited and was very impressed by. The Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico are full of island paradises that don't cost a couple years' worth of disposable income. Why fly halfway around Earth to sit on a beach, hike through a jungle waterfall, snorkel a reef, or try your hand at sailing a Hobie?

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2023, 10:27:02 AM »
This is tough.

Personally, I've spent time in multiple tropical locations (tropical Australia, Caribbean, Costa Rica) over the years, and went to Hawaii on a work junket initially, thinking 'Meh, it won't be that different/worth the money to go on my own'. And I changed my mind entirely (about the Big Island, at least) once I got there.

So then we scheduled a longer trip paid for out of a pocket and went back. It wasn't cheap but we found it totally worth it, and there was so much to do that we are considering a third trip.

However, I 100% agree with Metalcat that it's worth really drilling down as to what  you are after for your dollar value.

If it's simply a classy 'resort' experience with beautiful beaches, that can be had much cheaper in other places.

If it's diving and snorkeling, it might be worth it b/c e.g. many of the reefs in many of the popular Caribbean destinations are dead or severely degraded.

If, like for me, it's the unique avian community and geology and crazily diverse ecosystems within a day's drive that attracts, there are other places that I could have gotten that (e.g., Arizona and Texas), but I've already spent a lot of time in those.

If it's access to volcanoes, it's a great way to see the creation of the earth and hard to find comparable ease of access for less money.

Etc.

We always use frequent flyer miles for huge trips like that, which takes the airfare out of the equation. Still definitely not cheap though...I was glad I only eat two times per day LOL. ETA: We spent only a few hours at a beach, btw, not including snorkeling. Far too much to do to spend much time on the beach, so that gives you an idea of our priorities. And the Big Island isn't full of beaches anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2023, 10:40:05 AM »
This could be a great family budgeting exercise. What do you have to give up over the next year to go in 2024?

I don't get the fascination with Airbnb. Between cleaning fees and fee fees and what not, I can never find a better deal than the local hotels. There was a listing for $71/night near SIL in LCOL that actually came out to $175/ night with the fees. And the cleaning fees went up with a longer stay, so I couldn't get the oer night rate down from there. That was as much as the genuine B and Bs in the area that actually feed you breakfast. It is just as bad when we visit HCOL beach city we lived in until recently. And so many people seem to put crappy beds in.

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2023, 12:26:18 PM »
I don't think people are saying to "just find another beach." I know that what I am saying is to compare Hawaii to other locations and decide if that special thing that's "different" about Hawaii is worth the premium compared to other stunning, beachy locations.

Maybe in the end, the magical specialness of Hawaii is really worth the premium for OP, and if it is, then cool, but the world is vast and stunning and there are a lot of places that don't cost the same premium as Hawaii.

I would especially consider this traveling with kids who I've often found are more flexible about where they go, and often care more about amenities and activities than magical natural sights.

That said, OP has already been there twice, so they're more than equipped to assess if the particular specialness of Hawaii is worth it to them.

These are my thoughts on hawaii as well, especially after some friends went recently and looked into it. Sure I'd love to go, but being on the east coast it's just such an expense and many long flights! I'd much rather go to the Caribbean first, since we've never been. Looks plenty beautiful and tropical, and only a few hours flight. But really comes down to what you're looking for.
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2023, 12:44:05 PM »

I don't get the fascination with Airbnb. Between cleaning fees and fee fees and what not, I can never find a better deal than the local hotels.

As someone who travels with kids and often my parents as well, having a house vs hotel room(s) is infinitely preferable.  If it is only a night or two, fine.  Hotels work.  If it is a longer trip, I would greatly prefer to have a living room so I can be up and awake and the kids can sleep in peace.

Also, as someone with food intolerances, having access to my own kitchen to cook food for myself is really nice.  I know a lot of people don't want to cook on vacation, but I have a hard time finding food I trust not to make me sick in restaurants.  It is just so much easier to cook for myself.  And bonus it is also cheaper.

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2023, 12:48:28 PM »
To the OP:   You didn't say which island you are interested in.   All four main islands are different, and there are different ways to navigate them.   


Is a rental car worth it for Hawaii compared to Uber as needed?  Do you tend to do enough driving that having your car is better?  Is the traffic bad enough that you want to avoid dealing with it?

Hawaii is a diverse place.  On Oahu, you could probably get by with Uber and public transit.  On the other three main islands, no way.  Car is a necessity. 

Yeah, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the "find another beach" concept.  Hawaii is just different -- particularly the Big Island.  Then again, DH and I are divers, and so the lava tubes were a huge part of the appeal. 

For sure.   I had no real desire to go to Hawaii in particular (been to lots of beaches) but my MIL wanted to go and so we set up a trip.   Now I get it.  Hawaii is a special place. I went three times last year and I'm going next month as well. 

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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2023, 12:51:44 PM »
Also, as someone with food intolerances, having access to my own kitchen to cook food for myself is really nice.  I know a lot of people don't want to cook on vacation, but I have a hard time finding food I trust not to make me sick in restaurants.  It is just so much easier to cook for myself.  And bonus it is also cheaper.

The other benefit is that it is usually faster to cook in.  Plus you can do things like pack a lunch.  And many times after I've spent all day at the beach (or just out in general) I just want to relax at "home" and not have to go out again.   I enjoy eating out, but if I have to do it every meal it gets old.

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2023, 01:06:51 PM »
To the OP:   You didn't say which island you are interested in.   All four main islands are different, and there are different ways to navigate them.   


Is a rental car worth it for Hawaii compared to Uber as needed?  Do you tend to do enough driving that having your car is better?  Is the traffic bad enough that you want to avoid dealing with it?

Hawaii is a diverse place.  On Oahu, you could probably get by with Uber and public transit.  On the other three main islands, no way.  Car is a necessity. 

Yeah, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the "find another beach" concept.  Hawaii is just different -- particularly the Big Island.  Then again, DH and I are divers, and so the lava tubes were a huge part of the appeal. 

For sure.   I had no real desire to go to Hawaii in particular (been to lots of beaches) but my MIL wanted to go and so we set up a trip.   Now I get it.  Hawaii is a special place. I went three times last year and I'm going next month as well.

I also "get" special places. I bought an entire second house to go spend time in one of these bucket-list special places. That said, living there for half the year cost me about what OP is looking to spend on a handful of days.

But there are A LOT of spectacularly special places in the world. The question still remains: is what makes this particular location special worth the premium.

It's the same question for every single thing we choose to spend on. Absolutely no one will argue that a Ferrari is a far nicer drive than a Corolla, but the question is whether the hedonic increase is worth the premium.

Is one trip to Hawaii worth it compared to say, multiple trips to cheaper all-inclusive resorts or cheaper destinations?

The answer may be a resounding "HELL YES!"

But if it were, I doubt OP would be asking for input.

So I guess that makes me ask my age old question that I have asked so, so many times on these forums when someone asks about a spendy choice.

OP: are you looking to be talked into taking this trip or looking to be talked out of taking this trip?

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2023, 01:23:20 PM »
I wasn't overly impressed with my visit to Kauai. I'd rather spend the money and CO2 emissions going somewhere else.

I'm not at all a beach person though.

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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2023, 01:26:30 PM »

I don't get the fascination with Airbnb. Between cleaning fees and fee fees and what not, I can never find a better deal than the local hotels.

As someone who travels with kids and often my parents as well, having a house vs hotel room(s) is infinitely preferable.  If it is only a night or two, fine.  Hotels work.  If it is a longer trip, I would greatly prefer to have a living room so I can be up and awake and the kids can sleep in peace.

Also, as someone with food intolerances, having access to my own kitchen to cook food for myself is really nice.  I know a lot of people don't want to cook on vacation, but I have a hard time finding food I trust not to make me sick in restaurants.  It is just so much easier to cook for myself.  And bonus it is also cheaper.

I can make that happen with a microwave and fridge, at least for a few days at a time.

But as for the living room, even when I looked into getting an Airbnb for nieces, nephews and I over Christmas, I couldn't find anything cheaper than the equivalent number of hotel rooms in the same town. I realize you can still prefer the experience or be able to hook a better location, but I have not been able to justify Airbnb on price.

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2023, 01:45:29 PM »
You could look at why you want to go to Hawaii.  What are you getting out of it?  Do you want to be somewhere warm?  Is it the allure of the beach?  Bragging rights so you can seem like you can afford expensive vacations?  Placating the family?  Once you know what it is that you are really trying to get, you can figure out if there is a cheaper way to achieve that.  If you just want to get to a warm, pretty beach area, perhaps a road trip would accomplish that without having to fly.

Go to Florida for $3k. Buy the kids a used car with the 12k leftover. 

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« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2023, 01:59:47 PM »

So I guess that makes me ask my age old question that I have asked so, so many times on these forums when someone asks about a spendy choice.

OP: are you looking to be talked into taking this trip or looking to be talked out of taking this trip?

That is a really good question!! Lol

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We fly first class, get a rental car & a beachfront condo in a very nice area for 5 weeks and don’t spend anywhere near $15K-20K. You can certainly go for much less than that.

In 1970?

Just did a bit more specific research, for the cheapest listings that pop up (so probably worst flight -think it had a 6 hour layover, smallest car, and probably not great Airbnb)
Air -  $1057+ x 5 =  $5,285.
Car - $1,100
AirBnb - $4,700

That's $11k right there.   Seasonality (summer) and flying from east coast probably contributes to the exp but you know that's when we can go bc of school and such.  Family of five doesn't help matters.

No, not 1970. 2022 & 2023 + times pre-Covid, but I’m not counting those as it was cheaper then. We leave later this month for our 2023 trip.

Air - $1037 each (first class, would have been ~$500 each coach)
Car - $1144 (could have just done periodic rentals but we opt for the full trip)
Lodging - $5500 (we don’t rent through Airbnb - in fact, most rentals on island require 29+ day stays, be very careful about making sure you have a licensed rental)

The above represents travel during Hawaii’s peak season, so I know we could do it for less if we went during the summer months.

If staying for a longer period of time is an option for you, I can DM you a link for the company we go through and the condo complex we stay out. It’s in Ko Olina, right near Disney Aulani, Four Seasons & Marriott’s Ko Olina Vacation Club resorts. Gorgeous area.


Interesting you consider Summer to be "off peak". For the Disney timeshare June 15-Aug 1 are part of their highest/peak tier; but maybe that's because it's Disney and geared more towards kids/family necessitating the Summer travel when off school. My wife is a teacher and we're trying to do a 2-3 week trip so we're pretty set on Summer anyway.

Is the Ko Olina area pretty cool? We're tentivialy trying to plan 7-8 nights there in 2024 for our 20th Wedding Anniversary; and then maybe 3-4 days in Kona.


I don't think people are saying to "just find another beach." I know that what I am saying is to compare Hawaii to other locations and decide if that special thing that's "different" about Hawaii is worth the premium compared to other stunning, beachy locations.

Maybe in the end, the magical specialness of Hawaii is really worth the premium for OP, and if it is, then cool, but the world is vast and stunning and there are a lot of places that don't cost the same premium as Hawaii.

I would especially consider this traveling with kids who I've often found are more flexible about where they go, and often care more about amenities and activities than magical natural sights.

That said, OP has already been there twice, so they're more than equipped to assess if the particular specialness of Hawaii is worth it to them.

These are my thoughts on hawaii as well, especially after some friends went recently and looked into it. Sure I'd love to go, but being on the east coast it's just such an expense and many long flights! I'd much rather go to the Caribbean first, since we've never been. Looks plenty beautiful and tropical, and only a few hours flight. But really comes down to what you're looking for.

I don't know. I've been to the Caribbean a few times and from what I've seen/heard from friends it's nothing like the Caribbean.

For one a large percentage outside the walled resorts is pretty slummy. We live outside of Baltimore and spend lots of time there which is known for crime and my kids were pretty freaked out walking around Nassau for example. Our honeymoon in the Dominican and 3 trips to Mexico we basically never leave the resort/compound. Hawaii comparatively is much nicer and safer to rent a car, explore on your own, etc. Also for someone like my wife who is a bit of a nervous Nellie outside the country there's no language barrier, different currency, etc.

for two - The natural beauty with volcanoes, parks, waterfalls, etc. is unmatched form what I've seen.

Three - yes kids are pretty flexible, but in mines case at 10 and 12 years old they've seen Hawaii in shows/movies and we've talked about it for years and they want to go to "Hawaii" not Key West, grand Cayman, Mexico etc.

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As far as travel from the East coast and long flights, yeah I'm with you there. I don't personally think it's worth the cost or flight time, time zones, jet lag, etc. for only one week.

Our plan (coming form MD/DC area) is -

3-4 days in Los Angles
2 weeks in Hawaii (split between Oahu (using our Disney timeshare, maybe 2 nights on North Shore) and the Big Island (Kona specifically)
3-4 days in Vegas
Home

That way we break up the flights into 4 - 6 hour days instead fo two 12 hour days and split the time changes up as well.



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Anyway, I'm not the OP. I'm trying to see if I can do above iteneiry for ~ 3 weeks for less then $10K. $12-15K for one week would be a hard pass for me and my finances.

Even $10K is more then I "should" spend or can afford. But I'll probably still do it just because I'm pretty strong on YOLO and it's been a looooong time dream of my wife and I's.

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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2023, 02:22:45 PM »
I also "get" special places. I bought an entire second house to go spend time in one of these bucket-list special places. That said, living there for half the year cost me about what OP is looking to spend on a handful of days.

But there are A LOT of spectacularly special places in the world. The question still remains: is what makes this particular location special worth the premium.

It's the same question for every single thing we choose to spend on. Absolutely no one will argue that a Ferrari is a far nicer drive than a Corolla, but the question is whether the hedonic increase is worth the premium.

Is one trip to Hawaii worth it compared to say, multiple trips to cheaper all-inclusive resorts or cheaper destinations?

The answer may be a resounding "HELL YES!"

But if it were, I doubt OP would be asking for input.

So I guess that makes me ask my age old question that I have asked so, so many times on these forums when someone asks about a spendy choice.

OP: are you looking to be talked into taking this trip or looking to be talked out of taking this trip?

Logically, part of determining if this trip is worth it to the OP, it would a smart idea to ask other people what their experiences are.   

Several people shared their experiences, including @GilesMM who I though had some excellent cost saving advice.  Others suggested using points and miles.  That changes the cost calculation.  Seems to me to be an ideal use of a message board. 

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2023, 02:23:23 PM »
Can confirm, it's not much like the Caribbean at all.  And someone mentioned the Florida Keys, which aren't even in the same ballpark for 'beach getaways' as the Caribbean... very few beaches in the Keys. I enjoyed the Keys for what they were, which is ramshackle and casual, but if you are looking for white sand beaches for relatively low cost, further down the island chain is where it's at. Not the Keys.

ETA: I really need to start working in nontropical locations...maybe Alaska? LOL.
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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2023, 02:25:54 PM »
I also "get" special places. I bought an entire second house to go spend time in one of these bucket-list special places. That said, living there for half the year cost me about what OP is looking to spend on a handful of days.

But there are A LOT of spectacularly special places in the world. The question still remains: is what makes this particular location special worth the premium.

It's the same question for every single thing we choose to spend on. Absolutely no one will argue that a Ferrari is a far nicer drive than a Corolla, but the question is whether the hedonic increase is worth the premium.

Is one trip to Hawaii worth it compared to say, multiple trips to cheaper all-inclusive resorts or cheaper destinations?

The answer may be a resounding "HELL YES!"

But if it were, I doubt OP would be asking for input.

So I guess that makes me ask my age old question that I have asked so, so many times on these forums when someone asks about a spendy choice.

OP: are you looking to be talked into taking this trip or looking to be talked out of taking this trip?

Logically, part of determining if this trip is worth it to the OP, it would a smart idea to ask other people what their experiences are.   

Several people shared their experiences, including @GilesMM who I though had some excellent cost saving advice.  Others suggested using points and miles.  That changes the cost calculation.  Seems to me to be an ideal use of a message board.

???

And where did I criticize any of that use??

The bolded question is actually a very useful question whenever someone asks whether they should do something. It's not dismissive, it helps them identify their own intuitive feelings.

It's similar to how when you are torn on a decision that you should flip a coin and then examine how you feel about the outcome: disappointed or relieved?

I think you read something into my reply that wasn't there.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2023, 02:32:42 PM »

I don't get the fascination with Airbnb. Between cleaning fees and fee fees and what not, I can never find a better deal than the local hotels.

As someone who travels with kids and often my parents as well, having a house vs hotel room(s) is infinitely preferable.  If it is only a night or two, fine.  Hotels work.  If it is a longer trip, I would greatly prefer to have a living room so I can be up and awake and the kids can sleep in peace.

Also, as someone with food intolerances, having access to my own kitchen to cook food for myself is really nice.  I know a lot of people don't want to cook on vacation, but I have a hard time finding food I trust not to make me sick in restaurants.  It is just so much easier to cook for myself.  And bonus it is also cheaper.

I can make that happen with a microwave and fridge, at least for a few days at a time.

But as for the living room, even when I looked into getting an Airbnb for nieces, nephews and I over Christmas, I couldn't find anything cheaper than the equivalent number of hotel rooms in the same town. I realize you can still prefer the experience or be able to hook a better location, but I have not been able to justify Airbnb on price.

I don't know about Airbnb specifically.  We have used VRBO many times in the past, and my experience has been that I can find a 3-4 bedroom house for what I would have spent on 2 hotel rooms.  This only works out if you are staying for several nights though, so the cleaning fee is spread out over more days. 

Given the choice between two hotel rooms and a 3 bedroom house with full kitchen, the hotel would have to be significantly cheaper for me to go that route these days.

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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2023, 02:36:10 PM »
@Longwaytogo, we love the Ko Olina area. It is much quieter and way less crowded than Waikiki. We aren’t Disney people but from what I’ve seen of the Aulani resort (walking through the pool area in the evening), it is quite nice and would be a terrific family destination. The lagoons in Ko Olina are lovely and very low risk since they are protected from big waves. For anyone who wants to be able to do what Oahu has to offer, yet without the hustle & bustle of Waikiki, I think Ko Olina is an awesome alternative. We’ve stayed there five times now and it’s our go-to spot. We keep saying we’ll check out Kauai, Maui & the Big Island and we will…eventually.

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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2023, 02:58:19 PM »
I don't know. I've been to the Caribbean a few times and from what I've seen/heard from friends it's nothing like the Caribbean.

For one a large percentage outside the walled resorts is pretty slummy. We live outside of Baltimore and spend lots of time there which is known for crime and my kids were pretty freaked out walking around Nassau for example.

Yeah this sums up my experience in Jamaica pretty well. I wasn't "freaked out" by the local population, but due to the high level of poverty we couldn't walk around the town on our own without being aggressively pursued by folks trying to be our tour guides or sell us stuff. I'm more of a "get out and explore the sights" tourist than a "hang out on a private beach where the locals can't get in unless they're serving you drinks" kind of tourist, so I doubt I'll go back. To each their own though.

On the other hand I spent a week in Puerto Rico once and loved it.

At the end of the day, Hawaii is far from the US east coast and that's reflected in the airline ticket price. Hawaii has much higher wages than many tropical locations and that's reflected in the price of everything you'll do once you're there. It is a special place and I'm glad to have gotten the opportunity to visit on several occasions when my wife worked for an airline so we could get there for free, but I don't necessarily expect to pay full price to take the kids.

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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2023, 03:06:33 PM »
I see this got a little contentious, but before I even read the other posts, I too was going to ask, "Why Hawaii?"  If it has to be Hawaii, cool.  But it's worth poking around in your brain (and the brains of the other travelers) to see if there is a cheaper and/or easier way to scratch the same itch.

I've been to Hawaii.  We stopped there in the middle of a move from Japan back to the US.  We spent some time in Honolulu an went on a cruise that hit up several of the islands.  It was very nice.  But... just very nice.  I've done a fair amount of travel, thanks in large part to living overseas.  Hawaii isn't on my top 10, probably not even top 20.  I've been to prettier beaches, I've been to more charming little towns.  There was nothing about Hawaii that seemed best-in-class, whatever class it might be, for me.  Now, everyones values are different.  And for some people, just the idea of Hawaii has a mystique that calls to them.  (Fantastic PR, Hawaii!)  But even then, I think you need to ask whether "mystique" is worth paying 30+% more than you could for a very similar trip elsewhere. 

So many people thin Hawaii is a unique, special, magical place.  Because of that, I expected it to be those things and I was very let down.  It makes me wonder how many places those people have been.  (Gawd, I know how snobby that sounds, but it really was the question I asked myself.  Like, of course this is magical if it's one of the only places you've visited outside the one you live.  But if you've seen many places, is it still magical?  it definitely wasn't for me.)  I had moderately high, but not exceedingly high, expectations and it definitely fell short for me.  But some people like mushrooms and I think they are disgusting, so... everyone is different.

Yes, nothing else is Hawaii, just like nothing else is exactly like anything else.  That's why it is key to determine what exactly is the draw for Hawaii.  If it is bragging rights, then yes, nothing else will let you say, 'we went to Hawaii'.  But even then, maybe it s equl or better to brag that you went to Iceland or New Zealand or Rome.  If it is the beaches, there are gorgeous beaches around the world, and many of them have much cheaper labor and therefore overall lower costs and would be less expensive to get to, especially from the east coast (and might eat up less of your vacation with travel time).  Whatever the draw or draws, there may be a great substitution (and there may not be), but you won't know until you zero in on what is pulling you toward Hawaii.

Where that "elsewhere" might be depends on what you want to get out of the trip. And you are late enough in planning that you aren't going to get the best deals to just about anywhere.  But you might find a great substitute that gives you most of (or even more of) what you are looking for in Hawaii, for less.

That said, you might also compare the price of that cruise I mentioned.  It goes in and out of Honolulu.  You get to see a little bit of several islands.  There are also cruises that leave from LA, I think, so you wouldn't need to pay to fly to Hawaii, although then you couldn't add additional days in Hawaii.  It might be cheaper to eat and drink and sleep on a ship than on a Hawaiian island, and would let you check the "Hawaii" box if that's important to you and your family. 

If I had a large block of time and a fair amount of money to spend in summer, I'd go to New Zealand (which is trendy and has similar bragging rights as Hawaii, though it would be winter thee) or I'd rent a car and hop around Scotland.  The prettiest beach I've ever been to was probably in Turks and Caicos.  Or maybe I'd hit up Europe, and go to 2-3 cities (or more, if you stay more than a week), and that would get you some beach time, some culture, and a "bucket-list, bragging" type city like London or Paris or Venice. 

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2023, 03:19:45 PM »
@Longwaytogo, we love the Ko Olina area. It is much quieter and way less crowded than Waikiki. We aren’t Disney people but from what I’ve seen of the Aulani resort (walking through the pool area in the evening), it is quite nice and would be a terrific family destination. The lagoons in Ko Olina are lovely and very low risk since they are protected from big waves. For anyone who wants to be able to do what Oahu has to offer, yet without the hustle & bustle of Waikiki, I think Ko Olina is an awesome alternative. We’ve stayed there five times now and it’s our go-to spot. We keep saying we’ll check out Kauai, Maui & the Big Island and we will…eventually.

We stayed at Ko Olina for Thanksgiving.  Sunny weather -- dry side of the island.  Downside?  Fewer rainbows.

You can walk along the shore past the other resorts, but there wasn't much actually *there* to do.  Swimming, sunning, and snorkling, of course.  More like, it was convenient to go wherever else you want.

One tip:  best dinner out of the week was at Mahi ‘ai Table, which is inside the nearby Foodland Farms grocery store.  Reasonably priced, and our foodie family said it was the best dinner they had had in years.  Not at all crowded, although we did make reservations because we had a larger group.  Also, acoustic, but amplified, live music on the evening we were there.  (weeknights, too)

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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2023, 03:20:10 PM »
I don't know. I've been to the Caribbean a few times and from what I've seen/heard from friends it's nothing like the Caribbean.

For one a large percentage outside the walled resorts is pretty slummy. We live outside of Baltimore and spend lots of time there which is known for crime and my kids were pretty freaked out walking around Nassau for example.

Yeah this sums up my experience in Jamaica pretty well. I wasn't "freaked out" by the local population, but due to the high level of poverty we couldn't walk around the town on our own without being aggressively pursued by folks trying to be our tour guides or sell us stuff.

I'm more of a "get out and explore the sights" tourist than a "hang out on a private beach where the locals can't get in unless they're serving you drinks" kind of tourist, so I doubt I'll go back. To each their own though.

Yeah I was'nt freaked out either, and of course 'd been to the Caribbean a few times before. But my kids were really uncomfortable and just wanted to get back on the Crusie ship. Yeah the wanna be tour guides/sales folk drive me crazy.

Same, and I doubt I'll return to the Caribbean (at least the poorer Islands) or Cruise again.  We do a 4 day all inclusive thing in Mexico each December but that resort pretty much sucks too and we only do it for the unique event (Music festival type thing).

At the end of the day, Hawaii is far from the US east coast and that's reflected in the airline ticket price. Hawaii has much higher wages than many tropical locations and that's reflected in the price of everything you'll do once you're there.

It is a special place and I'm glad to have gotten the opportunity to visit on several occasions when my wife worked for an airline so we could get there for free, but I don't necessarily expect to pay full price to take the kids.

Yeah I hear the food is crazy $$$$ too. One advantage of the Ko Olina area combined with renting a unit with a Kitchen is the ability to hit Costco and "local" type grocery stores. Certainly eat out but maybe once a day rather then 3 meals a day.

It'll be pricey no doubt, and probably a one time thing; but I would like to do it once.

Having the Disney Timeshare since 2005 is a pretty decent value for Hawaii. I can get a 2 bedroom 1,100 sq ft suite with full kitchen/living room/ two balconies at a pretty high end resort by combining my 2023/2024 timeshare "points". That room is like ~$1,500 a night plus taxes and fees so 8 nights would be like $12-15K vs one years dues cost me $1,500 or 2 years dues is $3,000

Granted I could do a studio or 1 BR for less, but it's a special Anniversary and we usually share a tiny tent/RV/hotel room with kids I wouldn't mind some separation for a week (;

Anyway, point being for us that is a big help with cost and partial deciding factor.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2023, 03:27:44 PM »
@Longwaytogo, we love the Ko Olina area. It is much quieter and way less crowded than Waikiki. We aren’t Disney people but from what I’ve seen of the Aulani resort (walking through the pool area in the evening), it is quite nice and would be a terrific family destination. The lagoons in Ko Olina are lovely and very low risk since they are protected from big waves. For anyone who wants to be able to do what Oahu has to offer, yet without the hustle & bustle of Waikiki, I think Ko Olina is an awesome alternative. We’ve stayed there five times now and it’s our go-to spot.

We keep saying we’ll check out Kauai, Maui & the Big Island and we will…eventually.

Nice! Quieter and less crowded is good :)

yeah, I hear that a lot. Or I know folks who planned to hit other islands "next time" and then they never make it back. We originally thought 2 weeks on Oahu; but inter Island flights look pretty cheap and who knows when/if we'll make it back so leaning towards 3-4 nights in Kona on the Big island and then 8-10 on Oahu.

Given the choice between two hotel rooms and a 3 bedroom house with full kitchen, the hotel would have to be significantly cheaper for me to go that route these days.


For me it depends on itinerary. If I'm going to be out of the house all/most of the day then a House/Condo might be Ok (like skiing 8+ hours a day for ex) But if there's some lounging/ down time I like some of the resort amenities like pools and stuff.

I've also been burned and turned off a bit by a couple of BAD Vrbo/Air Bnb type places that were in bad shape or had serious mechanical issues (leaks, smells, etc.) and then your kind of stuck. At least at a hotel they can move you rooms and stuff.

I'd probably still stay at one again, but not sure I'd chance it for a pricey once in a  lifetime type trip like Hawaii.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2023, 03:35:53 PM »
If I had a large block of time and a fair amount of money to spend in summer, I'd go to New Zealand (which is trendy and has similar bragging rights as Hawaii, though it would be winter thee) or I'd rent a car and hop around Scotland.  The prettiest beach I've ever been to was probably in Turks and Caicos.  Or maybe I'd hit up Europe, and go to 2-3 cities (or more, if you stay more than a week), and that would get you some beach time, some culture, and a "bucket-list, bragging" type city like London or Paris or Venice.

I mean it's obviously a case of Chocolate vs vanilla or to each their own.

I'd personally love to see New Zealand's winter and even ski there; but I doubt my wife and kids would go to flying to a winter destination over their Summer break. Plus I would anticipate new Zealand being MUCH more expensive then Hawaii, but I could be wrong.

As for Europe or bucket list cities like London/Paris/Venice....you'd have to pay me to go to one of them. Zero interest. I live 20 minutes form DC and Baltimore and I only go there for concerts/sporting events. Just not a "city" person. I'd rather hike/bike/ski/beach/etc. any day then walk around a city.

We went to one of the Smithsonian museums over Thanksgiving break and my 12 year old goes "there's 4 hours of my life I'll never get back" so they would def rather do  a beach/nature destination like Hawaii over city/culture. And for the record I have been to Europe a couple times over 4/5 countries and a few different cities so I'm speaking from some experience, not just assuming.

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Anyway, not the OP. Just giving my perspective.

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Re: Family wants to go to Hawaii!!! $$$$
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2023, 03:57:49 PM »
Have you thought about going to the Azores? I thought they were a little like Hawaii but European and not as far from us as Hawaii but I have never been to Hawaii. Our good friends went to Hawaii for a week while we were in the Azores. We had really similar experiences, at a fraction of the cost.

Azores are on the mid-Atlantic ridge, and are part of Portugal. Azores has islands and beaches and volcanoes and whales. In the summer it is hot. We are not surfers so we did not look into that. But we loved the hiking and the views and swimming in the ocean. Especially natural swimming pools with heated vents. Fortunately, my partner speaks Portuguese so we never had any difficulty with language. And the cheese! So good.

We went in 2018 to six islands, five flights x 4 people, 2 ferries walk on, 2 ferries with rental car, 2.5 weeks rental cars, lots of fun stuff such as whale watching and excellent food.
Total spend was under $10,000. We probably won’t ever travel as a foursome again because our oldest was 16 at the time. We still regularly talk about this trip. Kids developed a taste for passion fruit and funny shaped peaches. We will all go back in a heart beat because we missed three islands!