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Does anyone else here hate TV?
 
OK not totally hate, but hate TV being used inappropriately? Allow me to illustrate.
 
Like many people, my parents have their TV in the living room. As a result, as soon as the TV goes on, everyone else who might be trying to do some _living_ in the living-room find themselves trying to think/talk/write/eat/draw/play/sing over the TV.

To make matters worse, my parents can’t bear to endure a single morning without the TV switched on simply to provide some background noise, my only guess as to why being that this gives them a feeling as though “something is going on”. We’re talking about the mindless chatter of some garbage morning show. They aren't even paying attention to it. What ever happened to consciously enjoying the serenity of this most beautiful time of the day?
 
My siblings and I are in our late 20’s and now live away from home with our respective partners. When we all come together to visit mum and dad, on comes the TV in the evenings too. What the hell! I’d much prefer to while away the evening chatting, playing songs on the guitar / singing along together, etc…and we actually do DO these things when we’re together…and then mum goes and turns on the TV!
 
Don’t get me wrong - I love sit down and watch a good movie/TV episode/documentary once or twice a week, but it is a purposeful event – everyone settles in for a good session and then TV is off again and we can resume being thoughtful, creative and social human beings.
 
Does anyone else feel this way? How do you manage it in your household?
 
I’m planning to have kids soon, and I want buck the trend and minimise the amount of TV watching that goes on, especially the kind of mindless and frequent TV watching that happens so frequently nowadays. I’m actually in the process of designing our future house, and I am trying to figure out whether perhaps a good approach would be to have a separate room for TV watching exclusively, thus keeping the TV out of the living/kitchen area? What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 07:32:34 PM »
My folks were like that and it drove me batty. Best advice I can suggest is to take breaks when you need them, or learn to use headphones.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 07:46:38 PM »
We hate TV, and don't watch it. I'm with you on the stupidness of having the thing on all the time. When I was a teenager I pissed off some friends at a party by turning off their tv - nobody was watching it, so I thought I'd be helpful. "Hey! That's our background noise! Turn it back on!"

We do have a television, because we play video games and watch a movie once in awhile. It's stuffed away in a corner where it doesn't get in the way, and we don't have seating conducive to spending a lot of time in front of it - he uses his computer chair and I use my rocking chair.

I don't think you need to have a separate room - kids pretty much seem to model the habits of their parents, and if you never have the tv on they probably won't start.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 07:51:56 PM »
I can't stand the TV-as-background-noise.  It's one of my pet peeves.  Our 50" plasma also consumes a lot of electricity, so it's a big waste (and heats up the room) if I left it on for hours at a time just to provide some fake friendship. 

However, I love watching TV.  It's cheap entertainment and as good as reading a book (I love to read, too).  Today I set a goal to watch TV all day and I failed miserably (only getting in about 2 hours).  I was too busy doing other productive tasks. 

That's okay, there's always tomorrow (except I'll be too busy doing other fun stuff to watch TV for very long).

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 07:54:31 PM »
yes!! I grew up with a tv in every single room. my moms MUST have it on, 24/7. she and my step dad actually consider what they will "miss" when they come to visit. we have 1 TV, its down in the basement in the "TV" room. we go down to watch something and thats it. no TV at all in the kitchen, family room, dining room, bathrooms or bedrooms. we LOVE it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 08:06:30 PM »
We designed our house with no TV at all. The view is the focal point of rooms. It's great.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 08:11:47 PM »
My in-laws have done this their entire lives. I grew up in a home that only had TV for about 4 years of my entire childhood, and we watched about 2 hours per week. It was an event, and everybody either watched or went elsewhere to do something else. When I met my wife's family before we married, I spent the entire evening surrounded by several people I didn't know and tried to have a conversation over a TV at about 3/4 volume. I almost walked out after 30 minutes.

Honestly, I think this issue is a symptom of a common problem--people don't know how to interact socially in their homes. House pets that climb all over a non-pet-owning guest, smoky air for non-smokers, loud music for non-musical guests or guests with different tastes, and incessant TV chatter---these are just a few environmental issues that arise in the home because the host/hostess doesn't know how to entertain guests. The notion of the parlor or the sitting room seems old-fashioned and quaint, but these spaces in the home were reserved with nicer furniture for entertaining guests in a quiet, almost neutral setting with few distractions. In smaller houses with fewer rooms, these "occasional use" rooms are often eliminated. To compensate, the host/hostess should know how to change from their "hanging out at home" hat to their "host/hostess" hat, especially if the guests are new acquaintances. However, that change requires either training or extreme thoughtfulness. Such training, i.e. etiquette, for the masses stopped after the 1960's, and people as a whole are becoming less thoughtful of others in these "small ways." 

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 08:25:17 PM »
I love tv. That's why I dont watch it.

It's a total time sink an I find it perverts my sense if reality.

The way your parents use tv does sound pretty rough.



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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 09:26:39 PM »
My mom and dad just didn't let us have the TV on if we weren't watching it. Its not hard. I find the TV as background noise very annoying too. I don't think you need to design your house around it, just create that expectation that the TV is only on if someone is actively watching it, and limit the number of hours your kids are permitted to do so as needed.

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 10:28:14 PM »
I'm another that can't stand it as background noise.  We inherited an enormous TV from a friend who was "upgrading" and asked if we'd like his old "small" TV.  The thing is enormous - I had never seen a TV that big (admittedly I've never actually bought a TV - if I end up with one, it's always due to someone leaving one behind in some place I'm renting, or a friend pressing one on me so that they won't feel I'm deprived...). 

We have it connected to a games console we inherited from a different friend, which we do use a few times a week.  Both items reside permanently in a closet with sliding doors.  If we want to use the console, we open the closet, and the TV-as-console-screen is perfectly functional facing out into the room it's on.  When not in use, it doesn't intrude at all into the usable living space.

We'll be needing to moving house in the next six months, and I'm finding myself already anxious what to do with it.  The likelihood of ending up in another place where we can tuck away something that monstrous seems unlikely, but I can't fathom plonking the thing in the middle of an actual room.  I assume we'll ditch it.

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 10:57:23 PM »
We have been TV free since the birth of our first child.  After reading the book "The Elephant in the Living Room: Make Television Work for Your Kids" we gave away our one year old flat screen LCD.  We couldn't be happier with our decision.  We still watch shows on the PC/Tablet but it is more of a conscious decision.  I no-longer watch a movie just because it's on.  I can't imagine how much hours I wasted by watching a move 10, 20, 30 times just because it was on TV.

We have slowly introduced out oldest son to short videos and watch it together.  When we go over friends or families houses my son will run around and talk while the other kids sit in front of the TV, he literally doesn't have the patience to sit and watch for a long time.

I honestly don't foresee us ever owing a stand alone TV again and if we do it will certainly not be the center piece of our living room.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 11:05:22 PM »
Does anyone else here hate TV?
 
OK not totally hate, but hate TV being used inappropriately? Allow me to illustrate.
 
Like many people, my parents have their TV in the living room. As a result, as soon as the TV goes on, everyone else who might be trying to do some _living_ in the living-room find themselves trying to think/talk/write/eat/draw/play/sing over the TV.

To make matters worse, my parents can’t bear to endure a single morning without the TV switched on simply to provide some background noise, my only guess as to why being that this gives them a feeling as though “something is going on”. We’re talking about the mindless chatter of some garbage morning show. They aren't even paying attention to it. What ever happened to consciously enjoying the serenity of this most beautiful time of the day?
 
My siblings and I are in our late 20’s and now live away from home with our respective partners. When we all come together to visit mum and dad, on comes the TV in the evenings too. What the hell! I’d much prefer to while away the evening chatting, playing songs on the guitar / singing along together, etc…and we actually do DO these things when we’re together…and then mum goes and turns on the TV!
 
Don’t get me wrong - I love sit down and watch a good movie/TV episode/documentary once or twice a week, but it is a purposeful event – everyone settles in for a good session and then TV is off again and we can resume being thoughtful, creative and social human beings.
 
Does anyone else feel this way? How do you manage it in your household?
 
I’m planning to have kids soon, and I want buck the trend and minimise the amount of TV watching that goes on, especially the kind of mindless and frequent TV watching that happens so frequently nowadays. I’m actually in the process of designing our future house, and I am trying to figure out whether perhaps a good approach would be to have a separate room for TV watching exclusively, thus keeping the TV out of the living/kitchen area? What do you think?

I have always felt pretty indifferent to tv but now that I realize its saved me from years of potential guitar sing a longs with my family I feel like they are definitely money well spent. :P

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2014, 11:39:54 PM »
When I visited my father a few years ago (parents are divorced, he's in another country, hadn't seen him in a while and had never met his new wife or my brother until then), I found out they kept their TV in the parents' bedroom. It was/had been a family event for everyone to pile onto the big bed and watch a movie together. Don't know how long that persisted after I left (brother was 12 when I visited).  Might be an idea for you. Keep board games in the living room. :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2014, 11:55:07 PM »
It's a love-hate thing for me.

I love sports and having an HDTV and ESPN during football/basketball seasons is great. Most other shows, outside of Comedy Central, are bunk.

I also agree it's terrible to just have on as background noise.

From late May to early September, I suspend my DirecTV account so I don't pay anything during this time, although it extends my contract. I enjoy the lack of TV in the summer and can definitely live without it. It's a luxury item in my book.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 07:02:30 AM »
On the subject of kids, the most obvious choice is NEVER allow the child to have a TV in his or her bedroom.  This was one of the few things my kids fussed about during their childhoods -- they really were in the minority in NOT having a personal TV.  The worst was when my oldest went to a birthday party, and her friend (who lived in a nasty old trailer with a hole in the living room floor covered up by cardboard!) received from her parents an "upgrade TV" that was bigger than the one in our living room!  When they were younger, my children mistakenly had the idea that we wouldn't buy them TVs for their bedrooms because they are expensive, and when their grandfather asked them what they'd like for Christmas, they asked for TVs.  Thankfully he was aware of our thoughts and no family drama ensued.

However, it's not just TVs that you have to be careful of today -- the real issue with kids and screen addiction is cell phones.  My high school students genuinely have a problem with cell phones.  Today's kids seem to have lesser social skills than those I taught a decade ago, and they don't talk to each other the same way they used to.  Instead, when allowed, they sit around and stare at their screens.  On the last day of school I had a small group of kids in my classroom, and I asked them to go through some old folders and toss some old papers -- so their hands were busy -- and I saw such a difference in them:  They actually talked to one another, and they seemed very happy. 

 

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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2014, 07:03:14 AM »
Oh, as for the house, I'd suggest sticking to a small model TV and putting it behind closed doors so that you must make a purposeful choice to turn it on.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2014, 07:20:57 AM »
I dont hate TV but when i want to watch it i have a seperate small room I go and watch it in. In the mornings I prefer to have Pandora on. So my suggestion is to have a den/TV room but not just a TV room.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2014, 07:23:40 AM »
I don't hate TV, I rather enjoy it. I think it's just like anything else that is best enjoyed in moderation. Our host loves watching movies but hates TV. I would ask how are movies that significantly different? Both mediums are filled with quality and trash, and one can watch both almost endlessly.

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2014, 07:28:42 AM »
TV is fine . . . there are a few shows that I really enjoy watching now and again.  Commercials on the other hand, are really the reason I've stopped watching anything broadcast live.  I don't mind devoting some time of my life to watch an interesting movie or program, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and be bombarded with commercials wasting my time.

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2014, 09:56:45 AM »
I love TV content;  the quality of 'small screen' entertainment has been far greater than what big screen producers are spewing out for the last decade.  For me it's a length question.  Movies are inherently short and it's the rare gem of a story that is actually right sized for movie length.  I prefer 5-6 seasons (and I think there should be a limit) of a story told in more detail over time.

As for the parental question.  My grandparents were TV on all the time people  unless they were playing cards.  My parents who don't play cards are TV on all the time, in multiple rooms, people.  It drives me insane (TV all the time people watch anything with commercials and loudly) and my brother seems to be going down that path as well.     My subtle and not so subtle resistance when I'm at their house, where TV is the focal point of the room,  includes:

  • Turning TV off when they leave the room
  • Explaining why the 'news' isn't really the news, what a content ad is etc
  • Looking up the news teaser of my phone and explaining it during the commercial break and saying isn't that quicker let's go sit on the patio
  • Learning what channel there preferred digital music channel is and turning it to that when ever the door bell rings or they ask me what I'd like to watch 
  • Turning it off automatically whenever my nieces come in the door; they like to play with their grandchildren not TV zombies so you'd think they understand my position better
  • Flat out saying, I came for a visit, can we turn the TV off or should I come back later?

If I had kids of my own I would sacrifice my love of the content and go the TV free route.  Though these days that does leave the phone/tablet screen problem but I guess you have to pick your battles and TV  as the largest and more sedentary of the screens seems like a good place to start.

Design wise I remember an online house slideshow where living room had a great large painting that was on rollers and slide to the side revealing a TV.  I always think that's the way I would go, maybe slide vertically, and with a lock. :)

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2014, 10:01:00 AM »
I have always felt pretty indifferent to tv but now that I realize its saved me from years of potential guitar sing a longs with my family I feel like they are definitely money well spent. :P

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2014, 11:14:11 AM »
I watch Sherlock and Doctor Who plus the occasional movie. My average TV show consumption is about 30 minutes per week, tops. Higher in the winter when I watch stuff while running on the treadmill.

Other than that, can't stand TV. Certainly not broadcast TV with it's gazillion commercials and definitely not cable TV which you pay for _and_ get blasted with commercials.

My wife grew up in a household with the TV on all the time. It's taken a long time, but now she loves a quiet household with no "background noise" and blaring commercials. It used to be painful for me going to the in-laws' house with the TV always on, but we must have rubbed off on them a bit. Now they don't turn it on until later in the evening when everyone is headed to bed.

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2014, 11:22:16 AM »
In our house, all beds face large windows - nowhere to put a tv on top of a dresser or armoire and watch it from bed the way it was in my parent's room growing up.  Instead, we watch the views out the windows to our backyard pond if we want a lazy morning in bed. 

We built a projector space into our living room, with a DVD player or we can hook up a computer to stream something.  With the skylights in our living room preventing it from being used unless it's dark, that means watching a movie is an event and we treat it that way.  Popcorn, big projection screen, and a movie we've picked out intentionally (not just whatever's on).

That said, I also have an iPad and will put Hulu on in the background for a while if I'm spending an afternoon bulk cooking in the kitchen or ironing a week's worth of clothing.  That's more than enough tv for us. 

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2014, 11:39:26 AM »
I can't really say that I hate TV, I just don't see the attraction of watching.  (Applies to movies, too.)  I would much rather read a book: I don't have to deal with piss-poor lighting, actors trying (and often failing) to convey meaning by emoting, incomprehensible dialog, confusing fast cuts...

What I do hate is the idea of background noise, whether it's from TV, radio, traffic, white noise machines, or whatever.  I want background silence.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2014, 11:57:10 AM »
If my options are singing with my family or watching one of my beloved sports teams at night I am certainly choosing sports. LETS GO O's! Redskins! Nats! Caps! Watching the games on TV in HD is much better than spending hundreds by going to the games.

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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2014, 12:14:53 PM »
I'm with the OP. Though I haven't watched TV at all for years now. Every once in a while there will be something on that I'm interested in (a documentary, HBO film) and I'll either watch it online or ask a friend if I can watch it at their house. (And I'm always surprised that they want to TALK while the show is on. They're so used to it being background!)

I grew up in the 1960s and 70s and our TV was in the basement for a long time, then moved upstairs to a bedroom-turned-den. My parents watched the PBS news show and maybe evening news, rarely anything else. So we were not TV oriented.

Agree that the cell phone/small screen is a huge problem now. My husband's addicted, but I know he's got lots of company out there.

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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2014, 12:22:26 PM »
I feel very fortunate that I grew up with parents that had a habit of muting the TV whenever commercials came on. There are few things that make my skin crawl more than commercials -- just the sheer falseness of it, the loudness, and the fact that our society is at a point that we consider things like ads to be entertainment (Super Bowl commercials etc).

I'm 25 years old and I don't think I'll ever purchase a TV. I technically have a cable box from Comcast but I've never used it (I use the Internet much more, and Comcast bundles TV with it and I can't get a lower price with Internet only at the speed I'm using). Even with the Internet, I tend to avoid the "TV-like" parts of it (Netflix, etc) and I don't really like tuning into yet another weekly character-driven serial drama. I watched Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos and that's about it. I much prefer to read articles online or just use my Kindle for ebooks.

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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2014, 01:27:28 PM »
A normal living room works SO much better without a TV to center around.  I don't have one (I wish I could say I didn't watch any TV, but I just watch it on my laptop, so at least I don't have a piece of furniture dedicated to it or an additional expensive gadget!)

If you really want to discourage TV watching I'd suggest not having one at all and possibly getting yourself set up with a projector & dropdown screen for the occasional purposeful watching of a movie/whatever.

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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2014, 01:33:39 PM »
I'm with ya! We have this spot on the wall in our living room where most guest say would be the perfect spot for a flat-screen. We lean our bikes there with a cool sign above that says "Enjoy the ride."

We do like to watch shows on the internet using the computer screen. Much less commercials, and you can't really veg out as when a show is over you have to get up and put another one on if you want it.

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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2014, 02:09:59 PM »
We have a nice big screen TV but it is not connected to cable because we don't have cable, and it has no rabbit ears so we cannot get any channels. We use it for two things: it is connected to a cable so that we can check who is at the door at the condo entrance before we buzz them in. And it hides perfectly the shitty drywall repair/paint job I did to cover 4 screw holes when we bought our condo.

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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2014, 02:41:51 PM »
I'm definitely one of the purposeful TV-watching crowd. As background noise it is maddening.

For the last two years, since the little one turned three and learned how to turn the TV on, I've gone without a television (she has one at her dad's house, so I don't worry about her missing out on the kiddie "watercooler" talk). The inevitable fight after an hour or so when I would turn it off was just too frustrating.

My solution was to use a laptop, and watch Netflix or DVD's (her TV shows are quite cheap; mine are from the library), and she's now very comfortable with the idea that TV is for watching an hour at a time, once or twice a week. Maybe just because it's really hard to watch anything on a laptop unless you're actually watching it; but I think also because it's just harder to think of as background noise when you have to actually select the next thing to watch. A laptop, while cozy for one or two, might not work for a larger family, but a projector and screen could work, and could be fairly easily tucked away when not in use.

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2014, 06:15:46 AM »
When I visited my family for the first time in two years after moving to South Korea, they watched TV just as much as usual. Which means all waking hours.

I got shushed and was told to go upstairs because I was disturbing my grandfather's viewing. They have the thing that saves TV shows... Sure was swell to feel wanted! I won't be going back there for a few years. Two seemed to be too soon.

Absolutely ridiculous and damaging to my family. I don't hate TV, but I hate how my family treats it.

I should say that I'm currently watching classic Doctor Who as I browse MMM forums. TV is great! But, you know, maybe on a Saturday night when I'm alone and relaxing. Not when family I haven't seen in years visits for a couple weeks.

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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2014, 10:01:24 AM »
My husband turns the TV on as soon as he gets home.  Half the time he's not watching it.  So I'm in the kitchen puttering around, being annoyed by the noise - then realize he went upstairs and isn't even watching it.   So I turn it off, then he comes back down, turns it on and walks away after 5 minutes.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  I spend a lot of time in the kitchen is if and when we get a new house, the TV will be farther from the kitchen.  He was raised on constant TV, I was not.  When we visit his parents, it's pretty much an exercise in sitting around and watching TV, and the conversation usually centers around movies and shows. 

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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2014, 12:21:30 PM »
As for the kids watching TV thing, we don't limit it explicitly, but use it as a privilege.  When the kids are bad, they lose TV and computer privileges.  And they are expected to do a minimum amount of reading daily. 

When the kids do watch TV, they tend to grab a laptop and huddle around it watching whatever is on youtube or netflix.  Definitely a paradigm shift away from watching over the air or cable TV like we did growing up in the 80's and 90's. 

We don't have cable, only antenna OTA signals which gets us maybe 10 channels.  There's nothing on worth watching other than Jeopardy (which we catch 1-2x per week, and I usually do the dishes or clean up or chat with the wife during the 3-4 minute commercial breaks).  We used to watch a show called "Taste of Mexico" with Rick Bayless, but I'm not sure when it comes on if it's still on the air.  Otherwise everything is streamed content that we watch on our own schedule without any advertisements. 

Many years ago, the wife used to love watching the news.  Eventually I persuaded her that it was 95% useless, and the 5% that was useful (the weather) could be gleaned in 20 seconds online.  I can guarantee that every day the headlines will be some mix of shootings/stabbings/killings, corruption, fatal car accidents and resulting traffic nightmares, or some national non-event that's currently de rigueur. 

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2014, 03:12:28 PM »
I have a 50" wall mounted TV and anyone walking into my livingroom might guess I watch too much TV. The kicker is I hate TV but love movies... actually 8 times out of 10 if I'm in the livingroom I'm listening to music through the AV receiver, its great, I've plugged in my PC, Radio, Stero, its the AV and bookshelf speakers that have taken center place in my livingroom.

Still, its just me living in my bachelor pad, so it works for me :)

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2014, 08:25:34 PM »
Does anyone else here hate TV?
 
OK not totally hate, but hate TV being used inappropriately? Allow me to illustrate.
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I’m planning to have kids soon, and I want buck the trend and minimise the amount of TV watching that goes on, especially the kind of mindless and frequent TV watching that happens so frequently nowadays. I’m actually in the process of designing our future house, and I am trying to figure out whether perhaps a good approach would be to have a separate room for TV watching exclusively, thus keeping the TV out of the living/kitchen area? What do you think?
"Hate" implies an emotional investment, and my reaction is more "apathy".  I can read a book faster than I can watch a TV show, and I find it very difficult to sit still unless it's a compelling documentary or a good movie.  Even then I'd rather be in a large-screen movie theater instead of at home with all sorts of distractions.

My spouse is an extremely heavy TV watcher-- 6-8 hours per day.  She timeshifts with an ancient Series 2 TiVo (vintage 2004), a 29" Panasonic CRT (2001), and analog cable (dwindling every year).  She mixes in plenty of other activity during the day, but it's the way that she prefers to consume content just as I prefer to spend 6-8 hours/day with a book or a keyboard in my hands. 

I wouldn't design your house around separate TV viewing areas.  I'd just have a TV in each gathering location (living room or familyroom) and then leave it shut off.  If family can't use it appropriately then you'd need better rules... or a different family.

I think your kids will get more entertainment out of the local park, the public library, empty refrigerator boxes, iPads or other tablets, and Wii video games.  Probably in about that order.

When the kids do watch TV, they tend to grab a laptop and huddle around it watching whatever is on youtube or netflix.  Definitely a paradigm shift away from watching over the air or cable TV like we did growing up in the 80's and 90's. 
"Kids"?  Our daughter is nearly 22 years old and has never owned a TV or a cable TV subscription.  It's all streaming video over a laptop.

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2014, 08:55:36 PM »
I'm not a fan of TV and my DH (and now DS) are.  One place where our house is really lousily designed is the living room (this goes beyond tv) as it is a large "great room," which we put in (combining 2 smaller rooms) before having a kid and -- eh.  Now that we have a kid (elementary schooler at this point) ... it would be nice if there were multiple "private" "public" spaces in the house.  Oh well.  It's a smallish house with smallish bedrooms, so sending him/friend back to play there isn't great.  And did I mention that not only does DH watch lots of TV (and he does WATCH it, it is not on as background noise), but he is hard of hearing (or perhaps I have sensitive hearing)?  And refuses to wear headphones.

It's not ideal, but we muddle along.  We are actually contemplating an addition to the house that will be an additional room adjacent to, but separate from, the living room, and it may help address these problems.

I have an aunt/uncle who have a large house with lots of bedrooms and I only recently realized that they use the BR nearest the LR as a tv room, so the person (or people) watching TV is nearby, but not central to the living room, and it is preserved for entertaining (which they do a fair amount of in a way that does not involve TV).  If I had it to do over, or were designing/buying a bigger house, I think I'd do that.

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2014, 09:23:08 PM »
I have no problem with TV programs, but I think the medium of TV can be problematic. As odd as it seems to me, the theory of least objectionable programming is apparently still the dominant paradigm. Obviously people are free to choose to spend their time that way, but it would be hard to convince me that's a good way to spend time.

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2014, 01:24:26 AM »
I don't hate TV but I do hate background noise (of any type, music included). I've never actually turned on the tv I have in this place (goes with the apartment, been here 10 months) but I do watching shows on the computer at times (but only ones that are available on youtube since that's the only thing I understand how to watch).

As to the house question I think someone else nailed it upthread... behaviour matters far more than where the thing is located.

I grew up in a family where there was always a tv in the lounge room and we never had specific rules governing how much/what tv we could watch BUT the expectation was that if it was day time and there wasn't a hurricane blowing we kids should be outside somewhere or at school. We never had the tv on during dinner time. My parents usually watched the news but if there was nothing specific that they wanted to watch after that then the tv was turned off. In other words watching tv was a purposeful activity done when there was something you wanted to watch rather than the default option.

Of course the fact that for a large chunk of my childhood there was only 2 channels to watch probably made that easier!

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2014, 09:34:56 AM »
I hate it in that I am like an addict to it and can lose entire weekends to it if I don't watch myself. The worst part to me is on Mondays, if I sat in front of the tube all weekend, I don't feel as if I was away from the office. But if I fill my days with active and engaging or fulfilling activities, I feel as if I've had multiple days away.

Some rules I have in place:
Absolutely no sitcoms with laugh-tracks. 
No nighttime dramas that have an ongoing storyline. These are nothing more than soap operas and they just spotlight the fact that these fake people may have a more interesting life than mine.
No watching people if the point of watching is to make fun of their choices, lifestyles, etc.

That doesn't leave much, but the narrowed down choices are usually higher quality. More often than not I just avoid tv altogether.

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2014, 04:14:54 PM »
Well of course I hate TV because I'm 57 and there is nothing on designed for anyone over the age of 25.   TV is no worse than it's ever been (think Gilligan's Island if you're my age) but there's just a much greater volume of crap on these days because there are *** channels almost all of which are a 24 hour crap-fest.   

When there were only 3 networks we'd get tired of the offerings and go outside.   I don't have cable/satellite so it doesn't take long to get tired now.   

I do find the TV a useful second monitor for the computer, and I do watch some old movies by moving them from the monitor to the TV.   That way I can still Google, or do my banking while "watching" the movie.   

Designing a house w/o TV should be a snap, just pretend the technology doesn't exist and ignore it in the design process.   

It must be disheartening for TV execs to read this thread.   A lot of people less than half my age claim not to watch TV.   It true it doesn't look very good for the TV industry. 

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2014, 07:31:40 PM »
We have one (giant in my opinion, 40-something inches, the H needed one that big and now watches it approximately 0 hours per week).  It spent one night in my living room before it drove me batty and I made H move it to the guest bedroom.  Now if you do a want to watch Telly, you can do it in peace and quiet, and not subject everyone else to it. 

A just spent a week of vacation with my in laws.  They have the TV on all.the.time, and at full volume as FIL is going deaf.  I was constantly turning it off, then they would turn it on.  At their house they have one in the family room and one in the living room.  It is a circle of me walking room to room turning them off, and them following turning them back on five minutes later. 

I have finally learned to ignore it and read my book while they watch.  Rude?  Maybe, but so is watching tv all night when you have guests. 

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2014, 08:22:54 PM »
I grew up without TV, originally because we lived way out west, only received one channel and my father cut down the antenna to build a pig crate. There was some inclination there on my parents' part, as well - when my older (half-) sister was little, my mother kept the TV under the dining table, to make watching it less comfortable and appealing. So there's a design solution!

I threw out my last tv about three years ago when my younger sister (who 'needed it for work', ie Masterchef and Farmer Wants a Wife) moved away and I hadn't switched it on for several months. It was taking up valuable bookshelf space! Now the living room is a reading/laptop/coffee room, but I'm thinking of putting a proper table in the middle of it - currently we live/work/do art at the dining table.

We still manage to catch up on Doctor Who, Sherlock and Death in Paradise, thanks to the internet, and occasionally have movie nights. But more often we put on music, do art, write, cook, or sit around doing things while other people read aloud. That describes most of last weekend.

I like background noise when I'm home alone, but I find the local ABC (public broadcaster) radio or ABC news radio are brilliant for this. Interesting, informative, educational - little interviews and documentaries, all sorts of things which don't interfere with life because you can't get caught-in-the-headlights of the moving image.

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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2014, 12:13:55 PM »
I wouldn't design a house around your feelings about TV, I would design your life around that.  As an example, DH and I have not had cable television for 20 years. 

We have a very open floor plan, but an old-school CRT TV in the corner of the great room.  You can see if from everywhere because of the floor plan, but it hardly dominates anything.  We can watch it when we want, but as parents, we decide when it is on or not.  It is NEVER on as background noise!

We let the kids watch streaming shows online, but I would not want them in separate room.  This way I can do my thing and monitor the shows at the same time. If I don't like it, they aren't allowed to watch it again.  I don't want to have to sit in a separate room and watch children's shows; I need to do dishes, make dinner, etc while they relax and watch a show. 

I think it's great that you're thinking about this. 

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Re: Does anyone here hate TV? Also- designing a house with this in mind
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2014, 12:24:35 PM »
For those that are really worried about a TV dominating a room, consider the wall mounts.  You can hang even a monster TV on the wall with a mount that can extend from the wall and rotate to wherever you want to view the TV from.  Buy a couple yards of pretty cloth and improvise a cover for the behemoth and keep it hidden when not in use.  If anybody asks, just tell them it's your favorite tapestry on display (no need to reveal there's an expensive anti-mustachian TV underneath).