The Election Results Thread

[sol]

Care to answer your last statement about Trump bringing war?

The one where I pointed out that the last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy?

I don't really feel the need to "answer" that, it's a concrete historical fact.  We elected a Republican named George W. Bush.  He started two foreign wars.  The global economy crashed.  What do I have to answer for?

[FINate]

Care to answer your last statement about Trump bringing war?

The one where I pointed out that the last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy?

I don't really feel the need to "answer" that, it's a concrete historical fact.  We elected a Republican named George W. Bush.  He started two foreign wars.  The global economy crashed.  What do I have to answer for?

So, all Republicans are the same?

[wienerdog]

How many people who voted Trump are going to be like the UKers the day after Brexit tomorrow:  "What have I done?"

How many Ukers have you talked to?

[Glenstache]

I think the real story of this election is how the polling could have been so very very wrong. 

In most states, the candidate that was expected to win by 2-4% instead won by 6-8%.  And in a few states, the candidate that was favored to win by 2-4% actually LOST by 3-5%, an 8 point polling miss.  That's not supposed to happen anymore.

In most states, I think you can chalk it up to just the continued polarization of the country.  Everyone is seemingly turning hard to one side or the other.  But WI and MI were waaaaay off in every single poll, for reasons that aren't yet clear.

Did the Canadian immigration site really just crash?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html

Moonshadow is laughing at us somewhere, that's for damn sure. Or, Trump was telling us all along that it was rigged.

[sol]

So, all Republicans are the same?

Didn't say that, did I?

[dragoncar]

Jesus I thought I was unhappy when bush won

[waltworks]

I, for one, plan to keep doing what I've always done - which is work hard, try to be a good neighbor/American, and do what I can to help everyone else succeed. I didn't vote for Trump (or Hilary, though I'd have preferred her to him) but I hope he proves me wrong and does an excellent job.

If I were him, I'd start by apologizing for the "you'd be in jail" comment and trying to mend fences/bring everyone together a little. He won fair and square, and it would be a class move to extend an olive branch. Being magnanimous in victory is always a good idea.

Hilary needs to make a similarly gracious concession speech and really lay the groundwork for everyone to go forward. Then she should retire permanently from any association with politics.

-W

[wienerdog]

Care to answer your last statement about Trump bringing war?

The one where I pointed out that the last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy?

I don't really feel the need to "answer" that, it's a concrete historical fact.  We elected a Republican named George W. Bush.  He started two foreign wars.  The global economy crashed.  What do I have to answer for?

So you are fine with droning Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.  I guess you are right.  There is no difference between what Trump might do compared to Obama.  You are showing your ignorance.

[mxt0133]

Look on the bright side, the DOW futures is down 800 points.  For those of us that are not FI yet it's great time to buy!  Assuming you don't get deported.

This might work out for some people's FIRE plans for another buying opportunity.  Time to look forward to 2020.

As for the polls being wrong, it seems like the Hillary supporters became complacent and over confident. 

Republican senate, house, and president may we live in interesting times.

[sol]

I, for one, plan to keep doing what I've always done - which is work hard, try to be a good neighbor/American, and do what I can to help everyone else succeed. I didn't vote for Trump (or Hilary, though I'd have preferred her to him) but I hope he proves me wrong and does an excellent job.

If I were him, I'd start by apologizing for the "you'd be in jail" comment and trying to mend fences/bring everyone together a little. He won fair and square, and it would be a class move to extend an olive branch. Being magnanimous in victory is always a good idea.

Hilary needs to make a similarly gracious concession speech and really lay the groundwork for everyone to go forward. Then she should retire permanently from any association with politics.

-W

Sure, but there are a lot of unanswered questions to deal with.  Will we finally get to see what business interests Trump has in Russia?  Will he put his assets into a blind trust, or will he just flagrantly violate all our conflict of interest rules and use the presidency to enrich himself and his family, ala Putin?  What does this mean for our national climate policy?  Since we're going to have Republicans in control of every branch of government, will they really follow through with repealing the ACA on day 1?  What other GOP fantasy legislation is going to get pushed through in the first 100 days?  How many supreme court justices will he get to appoint, with no congressional opposition? 

There are a lot of serious issues that nobody has taken seriously yet, and since he wasn't expected to win nobody seemed to mind. 

[Lagom]

Jesus I thought I was unhappy when bush won

This is what the "we must win at all costs" right doesn't seem to understand. I would rather have another term of Bush. I would rather Romney defeated Obama in 2012. I would rather Kim Kardashian be nominated for the Republican ticket. I mean, she's also a reality star and successful businessperson, after all. I doubt I am alone in these feelings. But the whole "burn the house down, bla bla Benghazi, bla bla, emails" folks honestly think they have made the moral, or even more mind-boggling, intellectual choice.

I would be so, so happy to be proven wrong. I sure hope I am...

[sol]

So you are fine with droning Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.

I didn't say that either, did I?

You sure are eager to put words in my mouth tonight.

[FINate]

So, all Republicans are the same?

Didn't say that, did I?

Care to answer your last statement about Trump bringing war?

The one where I pointed out that the last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy?

I don't really feel the need to "answer" that, it's a concrete historical fact.  We elected a Republican named George W. Bush.  He started two foreign wars.  The global economy crashed.  What do I have to answer for?

Bush W. != Trump. So what exactly did you mean to say?

[sol]

So what exactly did you mean to say?

I meant exactly what I said.  I'll repeat it a third time for you, since you seem to be having a hard time.

The last time we elected a Republican President, we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy.  Do you think Trump can top that?

What's not to understand?  It's a statement of empirical facts, then a request for your opinion. 

[FINate]

So what exactly did you mean to say?

I meant exactly what I said.  I'll repeat it a third time for you, since you seem to be having a hard time.

The last time we elected a Republican President, we got two foreign wars and a crashed global economy.  Do you think Trump can top that?

What's not to understand?  It's a statement of empirical facts, then a request for your opinion.

Got it. You think republicans start wars. Democrats also start wars. We will have to see what happens, I guess.

[wienerdog]

The last time we elected a Republican we got two foreign wars and a ruined global economy.  Think Trump can top that?

So we elected a Republican president and you are saying a Democrat is any different?  Answer the question.

So you are fine with droning Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.  I guess you are right.  There is no difference between what Trump might do compared to Obama.  You are showing your ignorance.

[wienerdog]

Unfortunately the CryBaby has taken the dialog to a new, low level. ... What chance do you think this will occur when the CryBaby loses badly this time around?

The Crybaby had a platform ...

This is another fallacy of the Crybaby supporters ...

Maybe in some Crybaby fantasy ...

What chance do you think that the Crybaby will muster ...

The CryBaby is going to wail like he got a pinky toe caught in the playpen gate once the landslide for H is over. ...

I would also argue that in the case of the Crybaby ... The house that the Crybaby built.

I am going to be so happy when the Crybaby loses by a landslide next week. ...

And then the Crybaby will have another fit.

I'm more interested in the CryBaby's reaction on election night.

The Crybaby loses, gets his Twitter account back from his handlers, and goes tirade.

Well, it's too bad the Crybaby will be a loser tomorrow ...

Okay. I think I speak for everybody when I say, we get it, you dislike Donald Trump. You can stop referring to him as "the crybaby" now. It stopped being clever some time before you first used it.

Anybody see the Crybaby yet?

[HPstache]

^nicely played

[dividendman]

Anybody see the Crybaby yet?

I think he's going to speak soon.

[wienerdog]

Anybody see the Crybaby yet?

I think he's going to speak soon.

Sweet I love it.  Just like if Sol could answer a question.

[arebelspy]

Stop trolling Sol, weinerdog.  Being rude to each other is not productive.

[arebelspy]

I'm assuming everyone saw Clinton called and conceded.  Game over.

Pence is on stage; Trump to come out any time.

[Johnez]

So it's called for Trump. What an upset. A horrible campaign till the end, but a well executed one. Will the Democrats/media/"intellectuals" ever stop underestimating the "dumbass" Republican candidate?

[shelivesthedream]

So it's coming up to 8am in the UK and I've just listened to Trump's speech. I think it's possible that he might calm the fuck down now that he's not campaigning any more. Quite possibly he will let all the crazy things drop and/or the rest of the party will give him the shaft and not let him do anything stupid. I do think there might be a big disappointment for his supporters, like there was here post-BREXIT when the Leave campaign had to backpedal on stuff very quickly, but this is not necessarily the beginning of the apocalypse.

[wienerdog]

So classic!  Went there and done that.  Can't blame anyone for not answering what they don't believe in because at this point they don't know any better.  If anyone believe's Trump is any different than Hillary then I feel sorry for you.

[zolotiyeruki]

Wow, I don't think anybody saw this kind of result coming. If nothing else, the next four years will bring a lot of juicy headlines :)

@sol, I assume the two wars you're referring to are Iraq and Afghanistan.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it, it was a bunch of Afghans that started it, what with the planes crashing into office towers and all that. 

[shelivesthedream]

Wow, I don't think anybody saw this kind of result coming. If nothing else, the next four years will bring a lot of juicy headlines :)

@sol, I assume the two wars you're referring to are Iraq and Afghanistan.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it, it was a bunch of Afghans that started it, what with the planes crashing into office towers and all that.

War between nations is not supposed to work like that. If some crazy American came to Britain and blew himself up, would Britain be justified in declaring war on America?

[FINate]

Wow, I don't think anybody saw this kind of result coming. If nothing else, the next four years will bring a lot of juicy headlines :)

@sol, I assume the two wars you're referring to are Iraq and Afghanistan.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it, it was a bunch of Afghans that started it, what with the planes crashing into office towers and all that.

War between nations is not supposed to work like that. If some crazy American came to Britain and blew himself up, would Britain be justified in declaring war on America?

If the USA aided and abetted the perpetrators and then shielded them from justice? Yes, that would be an act of war.

[arebelspy]

Wow, I don't think anybody saw this kind of result coming. If nothing else, the next four years will bring a lot of juicy headlines :)

@sol, I assume the two wars you're referring to are Iraq and Afghanistan.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it, it was a bunch of Afghans that started it, what with the planes crashing into office towers and all that.

War between nations is not supposed to work like that. If some crazy American came to Britain and blew himself up, would Britain be justified in declaring war on America?

If the USA aided and abetted the perpetrators and then shielded them from justice? Yes, that would be an act of war.

...and now, shelivesthedream, you may get a small glimpse of why what happened today happened.

[wienerdog]

War between nations is not supposed to work like that. If some crazy American came to Britain and blew himself up, would Britain be justified in declaring war on America?

Crazy American only shoot their self. If you are Britain then you have much more problems than American.  We only shoot our self because you don't have guns.  Can you give me an example where we came there to blow Britain up?   

[FINate]

Wow, I don't think anybody saw this kind of result coming. If nothing else, the next four years will bring a lot of juicy headlines :)

@sol, I assume the two wars you're referring to are Iraq and Afghanistan.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I remember it, it was a bunch of Afghans that started it, what with the planes crashing into office towers and all that.

War between nations is not supposed to work like that. If some crazy American came to Britain and blew himself up, would Britain be justified in declaring war on America?

If the USA aided and abetted the perpetrators and then shielded them from justice? Yes, that would be an act of war.

...and now, shelivesthedream, you may get a small glimpse of why what happened today happened.

Not sure what you mean by this. I voted for Johnson, not that it mattered either way because I'm in CA.

After 9/11 the Taliban was given the opportunity to turn over the Al Qaeda leadership, who they were hosting in their country while it operated terror training camps. This was about as cut and dry as it gets, and there was broad bipartisan support for the military actions in Afghanistan. Again, not clear at all why you believe this is in any way related to Trump?

[mxt0133]

Just watched his acceptance speech.  Time to invest in wall building companies.  Good night all. 

[alsoknownasDean]

Well, the next little while will be interesting, especially once President L Plates gets the keys.

Kinda expected it to be honest, it seemed that he had some pretty passionate supporters.

Of course, the sun will rise tomorrow morning and I'm sure America will continue to be a great country, not because of Trump, but in spite of him.

Aren't states like WI and MI traditionally blue states? I wonder if them flipping to the R side of the column is a sign of a longer-term change in preferences, or is it just that Trump's anti-free trade message resonated more there?

[vern]

The Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania results are the Nafta chickens coming home to roost.

Florida may have been because of Elian.

[cerat0n1a]

Crazy American only shoot their self. If you are Britain then you have much more problems than American.  We only shoot our self because you don't have guns.  Can you give me an example where we came there to blow Britain up?   

We're getting way off-topic for an election results thread, but there were certainly individual Americans in Boston, New York & Chicago who funded terrorist bombings of shopping centres etc. in Britain through the IRA. Should the UK have bombed those cities?

[pdean]

I, for one, plan to keep doing what I've always done - which is work hard, try to be a good neighbor/American, and do what I can to help everyone else succeed. I didn't vote for Trump (or Hilary, though I'd have preferred her to him) but I hope he proves me wrong and does an excellent job.

If I were him, I'd start by apologizing for the "you'd be in jail" comment and trying to mend fences/bring everyone together a little. He won fair and square, and it would be a class move to extend an olive branch. Being magnanimous in victory is always a good idea.

Hilary needs to make a similarly gracious concession speech and really lay the groundwork for everyone to go forward. Then she should retire permanently from any association with politics.

-W

Thank you for this. It's what I needed to read this morning. I came here hoping for some Mustachian Stoicism of just this kind.

Having worked in politics for a while when younger, I am aware that some of these emotions are no different than seeing your team lose in the Final Four or Super Bowl. We invest in our side, demonize the other side, and despair when the unthinkable happens.

I am, however, worried about what will happen to the environment in the next two or four years. And I know that whether we think it's warranted or not, there are people who are not white heterosexuals in this country who are concerned, if not terrified, about the future.

[acroy]

Calm down ya'll we'll be fine.
Economy is chugging along, we're in no major wars, have no major enemies. We just elected the Peace candidate vs war-monger Clinton.
Biggest disruption, if he follows through on promises, will be on Wall St. Let's see what he does to Yellen, interest rates, etc.

[frugalnacho]

[OurTown]

If we are going to fuck the poor up the ass, and then fuck the rest of the world up the ass, I at least want my tax cut.

[dividendman]

Wow, markets aren't even down much. No sale or anything.

Now only tax cuts will be good news here (if they actually come).

[OurTown]

I hope there is still some version of Obamacare available in 10 years or it will be impracticable to FIRE.

[mathlete]

Man this really fucking sucks.

Working class rural people sold out their decency for a pipe dream. The ambiguous time when America was "great" isn't coming back.

On the plus side, I'm really motivated now to try to be a really good person and make the world a better place. It looks like these sentiments are echoed by some in this thread which I find encouraging.

[Freedomin5]

Apparently, the Immigration Canada website crashed shortly after the election results were announced.

[TheInsuranceMan]

Someone needs to take Comey behind the woodshed for this crap.

No, someone needs to take Hillary and her staff behind the wood shed for not taking care of their own emails and what should have been private data.  Yeah, let's blame the FBI for her and her staffs mistakes.  Or maybe we can blame the lady who Hillary had print her documents for her, you know, the classified ones that no one was supposed to see.

It's her own damn fault, reap what you sow.

[Jack]

Well, Bernie-hating DNC shills, I hope you're fucking happy!

If the Democrats had done literally anything other than trying to single-mindedly shove Hillary down our throats, the election would have been a landslide in their favor.

[music lover]

The people have seen through the medias bias and lies and they recognized the Clinton Corruption Cartel as the criminal organization it really is and voted for change.

Progressive tears are being shed all over America, but that's okay. They need a good dose of reality.

[Mississippi Mudstache]

Man this really fucking sucks.

Working class rural people sold out their decency for a pipe dream. The ambiguous time when America was "great" isn't coming back.

On the plus side, I'm really motivated now to try to be a really good person and make the world a better place. It looks like these sentiments are echoed by some in this thread which I find encouraging.

This is my opinion as well. I can bemoan the results of this election, or I can take a treacherous outcome and use it as a catalyst for good. I will choose the latter, inasmuch as I am able.

[dividendman]

Well, Bernie-hating DNC shills, I hope you're fucking happy!

If the Democrats had done literally anything other than trying to single-mindedly shove Hillary down our throats, the election would have been a landslide in their favor.

It is useful to note that Hillary outperformed Obama (and likely Bernie too) in several states - just not enough to actually win them. Look at Texas, Arizona, Georgia, etc. We may see a shifting of the map where the industrial northeast tends to be more Republican (Trumpist).

However, I tend to agree that any other Democrat would have stood a better chance - I'm not sure it would have been enough though. Trumps message brought out massive support in rural and white America. Trump also outperformed Romney with Hispanics.

[Jack]

Well, Bernie-hating DNC shills, I hope you're fucking happy!

If the Democrats had done literally anything other than trying to single-mindedly shove Hillary down our throats, the election would have been a landslide in their favor.

It is useful to note that Hillary outperformed Obama (and likely Bernie too) in several states - just not enough to actually win them. Look at Texas, Arizona, Georgia, etc. We may see a shifting of the map where the industrial northeast.

You have exactly zero evidence to support that claim. I know for a fact that Bernie would have gotten at least one vote in Georgia -- mine -- that Hillary did not get.¹

(¹ FYI to the dumbass false dichotomy trolls: Trump didn't get it either.)

[StarBright]

Well, Bernie-hating DNC shills, I hope you're fucking happy!

If the Democrats had done literally anything other than trying to single-mindedly shove Hillary down our throats, the election would have been a landslide in their favor.

. . . . Trump also outperformed Romney with Hispanics.

I was (sadly) not shocked by this. I canvassed for HRC and one of my days was in a heavily Latinx neighborhood. Several folks listed as  likely democrats told me that they wouldn't vote for a woman and/or abortion supporter. Since many of those same people had backed Obama I was very worried that we were in trouble (and I'm also in a swing state.)