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<snip>The flipside of normal real interest rates should be falling asset prices, lower aggregate demand, and higher unemployment. It's hard to imagine demand or business expansions increasing in response to higher financing costs (though it's arguably where we are at the moment).
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I think the Phillips Curve is more of an observation of past correlation and not something that is necessarily causation.  What if higher (than 0 but less than 5%) interest rates, improve capital formation and lead to capex growth as per theory?  Might that capital formation create more demand for (especially skilled) labor as AI isn't far enough along for the machines to run and/or program themselves?  Today's 300k+ jobs read seems to suggest something like that is being observed. 

As to does interest rate policy effect aggregate demand, remember that AD always equals AS.  Else, an arbitrage opportunity arises somewhere in the supply chain.  If improved capital formation is driving new capex, production (AS) could in fact be going up as a result of a modestly higher than 0 interest rate!  That is, prior observations seem to indicate the very short term result of restrictive monetary policy is your "should be's"; but when you come off the zero bound to only a modest rate, the medium and long term impact might be exactly the opposite!
If such an effect exists, where the optimal interest rate for growth is somewhere well above zero, then I would expect it to be because bigger spreads (credit or term) encourage lenders to make loans.

One problem with this as an explanation for today's phenomenon is that the inverted (i.e. negative) yield curve would seem to discourage banks from using on-demand deposits to fund long-term loans.

Another problem is that credit spreads are at historicaly typical levels. Junk bond spreads against treasuries, for example, are about where the were in the 20-teens. So it's not like high credit spreads can compensate banks for the inverted yield curve.

AD = AS in the long term, but in the short term they can be out of balance due to changes in inventory, debt, savings, or supply constraints like pandemics, disasters, or government policies like taxes, wars, sanctions, etc. See the toilet paper shortages of 2020-21 when hoarding behavior led to AD > AS, or the chip shortage of 2021-22 which created an artificial car shortage. Perhaps today's frenzied rate of GDP growth and capex reflects AS catching up to AD. 

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<snip>AD = AS in the long term, but in the short term they can be out of balance due to changes in inventory, debt, savings, or supply constraints like pandemics, disasters, or government policies like taxes, wars, sanctions, etc. See the toilet paper shortages of 2020-21 when hoarding behavior led to AD > AS, or the chip shortage of 2021-22 which created an artificial car shortage. Perhaps today's frenzied rate of GDP growth and capex reflects AS catching up to AD.

Maybe I have some "unlearning" to do.  It was hammered into me that AS=AD, "always" and the intersection moved around on both the P and Q axes driven by a large number of inputs.  I guess that assumes you don't have some kind of price control.  If, for example, toilet paper vendors are free to set their price at the "market clearing rate" the S/D equation balances perfectly.  Assuming the short run can be out of balance, how material is the "reshoring" that has happened since COVID?  Supply chains are moving back to the US or at least North America (Mexico is the new China!)  Using the spending by Consumer, Industry, Government, +/- Net Exports model (and I'm skeptical NetX assumptions are valid), both AS and AD would be growing as a result of NetX. 

So let's say for the sake of argument the conspiracy people who say corporations have broad pricing power and are using "inflation" as an excuse to grift consumers.  Artificially low interest rates favor industry consolidation and lower competition.  Could (modestly higher than zero) interest rates, via the capital formation incentive, lead to new entrants, more competition and lower prices?  We are seeing real productivity gains (that are mostly ending up in the hands of labor - via rising wages - for a change) since the tightening began. 

Maybe I'm a Pollyanna type here but I see sort of a Goldilocks scenario in markets now. Inflation is cooling, profits and wages are rising simultaneous, and there are strong drivers of innovation on the fringes of the tech sphere.  Forget the soft landing and start thinking about no landing.  The whole thing just stays aloft for far longer than the economist caste ever thought possible. 

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When inflation increases, the rational behavior is to buy things sooner, before prices rise.  Last year saw consumer confidence low but consumption high, which I interpret as buying out of fear.  I do not know how big a factor that is in the market last year or now.  But I do wonder to what extent changing consumer behavior has changed inflation.

The Fed has attempted to use quantitative tightening to bring inflation under control.  In the Chicago Fed National Financial Conditions Index, from 2022-2024 conditions remained looser than average (below 0.0), and are currently getting looser.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NFCI

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman annoyed me again on Twitter, making a veiled reference to "transitory."  He was wrong to claim inflation was transitory years ago, but instead of admitting being wrong, he has pretended transitory can mean an unspecified number of years.  It irritates me because I can't rely on Nobel Prize winners to value accuracy over ego, but that appears to be a very high bar.  Not that I have any credentials to compare to his, nor a more accurate prediction to offer.

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Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman annoyed me again on Twitter, making a veiled reference to "transitory."  He was wrong to claim inflation was transitory years ago, but instead of admitting being wrong, he has pretended transitory can mean an unspecified number of years.  It irritates me because I can't rely on Nobel Prize winners to value accuracy over ego, but that appears to be a very high bar.  Not that I have any credentials to compare to his, nor a more accurate prediction to offer.

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Haha.  PhDs and Nobels in Economics are very dangerous things that have led to dangerous hubris more than once.  LTCM had MULITPLE Nobel winners and a complete gaggle of PhDs (Econ and Fin).  And they damn near blew up the entire global economy with estimated 2000 to 1 leverage in the sovereign debt carry trade.   Smartest guys in the room, bet on Russia and China to have good governance with 2k leverage...

Krugman is at least in defensible academic territory as all changes to things monetary canonically happen with a "long and variable lag".  But seriously.  Hubris.

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Forget the soft landing and start thinking about no landing.  The whole thing just stays aloft for far longer than the economist caste ever thought possible.

I think of the situation as we crashed first, with the direct and indirect effects of the pandemic.  And that's what may make this one different.  We expect there is an economic expansion, then contraction.  But we put the cart before the horse, in that the contraction was not caused by the last expansion, but by a non-economic cause.  (Or, at least a noncyclical cause)  So, some causality is backwards, and our theories are having a hard time digesting that.  How much of our current prosperity is the next expansion, vs. a snap-back from the pandemic-era contraction?  The downturn and initial recovery were so sharp, they have overlapped.  That muddling is why we have mixed signals.

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Forget the soft landing and start thinking about no landing.  The whole thing just stays aloft for far longer than the economist caste ever thought possible.

I think of the situation as we crashed first, with the direct and indirect effects of the pandemic.  And that's what may make this one different.  We expect there is an economic expansion, then contraction.  But we put the cart before the horse, in that the contraction was not caused by the last expansion, but by a non-economic cause.  (Or, at least a noncyclical cause)  So, some causality is backwards, and our theories are having a hard time digesting that.  How much of our current prosperity is the next expansion, vs. a snap-back from the pandemic-era contraction?  The downturn and initial recovery were so sharp, they have overlapped.  That muddling is why we have mixed signals.
And don't forget that the entire world just got a very personal lesson on how their way of life could change more and faster than they ever imagined. How many people have made changes to the way they live their lives as a result. I suspect there is a greater inclination to spend now because everyone understands more than ever that tomorrow isn't guaranteed.

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Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman annoyed me again on Twitter, making a veiled reference to "transitory."  He was wrong to claim inflation was transitory years ago, but instead of admitting being wrong, he has pretended transitory can mean an unspecified number of years.  It irritates me because I can't rely on Nobel Prize winners to value accuracy over ego, but that appears to be a very high bar.  Not that I have any credentials to compare to his, nor a more accurate prediction to offer.

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Haha.  PhDs and Nobels in Economics are very dangerous things that have led to dangerous hubris more than once.  LTCM had MULITPLE Nobel winners and a complete gaggle of PhDs (Econ and Fin).  And they damn near blew up the entire global economy with estimated 2000 to 1 leverage in the sovereign debt carry trade.   Smartest guys in the room, bet on Russia and China to have good governance with 2k leverage...

Krugman is at least in defensible academic territory as all changes to things monetary canonically happen with a "long and variable lag".  But seriously.  Hubris.
He has dual roles as economist and political opinion writer (for NY Times), so he may be tweeting for a mix of audiences.  Using the same term over and over suggests he fits data into a narrative, which is closer to how political opinions work than research.

Besides LTCM, there's Nobel Prize winners who seem less competent outside their field (aka "Nobel Disease").  I do not consider Mr. Krugman to have this problem.  But I bring it up to question how experts in economics can be discovered.

Today's "Wall Street Week" featured Larry Summers' view on the Friday jobs data.  He was Chief Economist of the World Bank, and Secretary of the US Treasury.  Are prestigious jobs in economics a measure of expertise?

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Near as I can find on Google ... Interest rates during the post war boom of the 50s averaged around low 4%'s for 30 year mortgage.  I don't know how to  put that on apple to apples terms with today as the currency was commodity based and the gold window was open in 50s.  So is 4.25% a good proxy for the 1950's real rate?  And without Fed interference, maybe that was a "natural rate".  It would seem interest rates are lower in real terms now than during modern era's most robust and longest lasting boom.  Maybe we need to be tightening further to promote capital formation and thus kicking off the next mega boom?

I also think it became a completely different game under the Carter administration.  Section 401(k) of the Revenue Code came into being and having an equity/bond portfolio instead of just dealing with banks became a real thing  for a large portion of America.  Before that defined benefit pensions meant most retirement savings were very heavily weighted to bonds.  At that point, it behooved the common Joe to have equity exposure.  Capital formation was subsidized and almost mandatory.

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<snip>AD = AS in the long term, but in the short term they can be out of balance due to changes in inventory, debt, savings, or supply constraints like pandemics, disasters, or government policies like taxes, wars, sanctions, etc. See the toilet paper shortages of 2020-21 when hoarding behavior led to AD > AS, or the chip shortage of 2021-22 which created an artificial car shortage. Perhaps today's frenzied rate of GDP growth and capex reflects AS catching up to AD.

Maybe I have some "unlearning" to do.  It was hammered into me that AS=AD, "always" and the intersection moved around on both the P and Q axes driven by a large number of inputs.  I guess that assumes you don't have some kind of price control.  If, for example, toilet paper vendors are free to set their price at the "market clearing rate" the S/D equation balances perfectly.  Assuming the short run can be out of balance, how material is the "reshoring" that has happened since COVID?  Supply chains are moving back to the US or at least North America (Mexico is the new China!)  Using the spending by Consumer, Industry, Government, +/- Net Exports model (and I'm skeptical NetX assumptions are valid), both AS and AD would be growing as a result of NetX.
AD=AS in a perfect frictionless world. Deadweight losses like taxes, monopolistic/duopolistic pricing power, pandemics, wars, natural disasters, or other factors can upset the equilibrium and move the price/demand curve to the point where all demand is not met or all supply is not utilized. Which is a perfect segue into...
When inflation increases, the rational behavior is to buy things sooner, before prices rise.  Last year saw consumer confidence low but consumption high, which I interpret as buying out of fear.  I do not know how big a factor that is in the market last year or now.  But I do wonder to what extent changing consumer behavior has changed inflation.
At the wholesale level, look at what happened to inventories. The rate of inventory growth skyrocketed starting in 2021 when inflation was quickly rising. This was the "rational behavior...to buy things sooner, before prices rise" on the part of businesses holding inventory. As soon as the growth rate of inflation slowed, starting in June/July 2022, the growth of inventory plateaued as there was no longer a reason for bloated warehouses to stock up ahead of price increases.

Then look at retail sales. Consumers were also buying things sooner, before prices rise.

So I think in this case, rising inflation expectations created a temporary uptick in AD that AS couldn't keep up with, especially since AS was constrained by the pandemic. One leg of the case for a late 2023 or early 2024 recession was the worry that inventories would need to come down, or the worry that consumers were exhausted after three years of binge-spending.
Near as I can find on Google ... Interest rates during the post war boom of the 50s averaged around low 4%'s for 30 year mortgage.  I don't know how to  put that on apple to apples terms with today as the currency was commodity based and the gold window was open in 50s.  So is 4.25% a good proxy for the 1950's real rate?  And without Fed interference, maybe that was a "natural rate".  It would seem interest rates are lower in real terms now than during modern era's most robust and longest lasting boom.  Maybe we need to be tightening further to promote capital formation and thus kicking off the next mega boom?

I also think it became a completely different game under the Carter administration.  Section 401(k) of the Revenue Code came into being and having an equity/bond portfolio instead of just dealing with banks became a real thing  for a large portion of America.  Before that defined benefit pensions meant most retirement savings were very heavily weighted to bonds.  At that point, it behooved the common Joe to have equity exposure.  Capital formation was subsidized and almost mandatory.
It may still be early to declare rising rates didn't cause a recession. A recession could start later this year with little warning, other than the existing warnings of yield curves, leading economic indicators, low unemployment, etc. Contrary to popular sentiment, recessions do not begin after a long period of declining metrics. Sometimes they just hit, for reasons almost nobody foresaw which are only discussed after the fact.

You may have a point about the newfound ease of retail investing, and how it encouraged capital formation in equity rather than the use of pensions (which is generally capital formation in liability). I would describe the difference between investing in the early 1970s versus now as the removal of deadweight costs from the AD:AS equation that led to a new price point and an increase in activity. My thought is that the ease of online brokerages have raised the cost of investments / lowered the yield of investments / lowered the cost of capital.

Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman annoyed me again on Twitter, making a veiled reference to "transitory."  He was wrong to claim inflation was transitory years ago, but instead of admitting being wrong, he has pretended transitory can mean an unspecified number of years.  It irritates me because I can't rely on Nobel Prize winners to value accuracy over ego, but that appears to be a very high bar.  Not that I have any credentials to compare to his, nor a more accurate prediction to offer.
I'll jump in to defend Paul Krugman on this one. Let's say it's the 3rd quarter of 2021 and people are talking about inflation. What would transitory look like, and what would non-transitory look like from that vantage point? I'd say an inflationary episode that peaks within a few months and is essentially over two years later and back to almost normal would be a good definition of "transitory" in the context of history. Non-transitory is what Turkyie and Russia are going through.

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I'm expecting another "hot" CPI and PPI report this Wed. and Thurs. because commodities rallied hard in March.

Prediction: CPI +0.4%

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"Just as Yellen described inflation as a matter of “months,” Krugman himself in June 2021 agreed with the view (which he ascribed to the Federal Reserve) that inflation was “a blip” that “will soon be over.” While finding the exact moment that separates transitory inflation from persistent inflation can verge on a Sorites paradox, it should be obvious that any inflation that lasts for years is not transitory."
https://www.city-journal.org/article/team-transitory-was-still-wrong

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Medical costs seeing growing inflation (after actual deflation in 2023), combined with still high transportation costs (Car insurance +22% in last 12 mo, and car repair up 12%)







Would be really interesting to see if there's any change in the number of people self insuring


Prior to mid-2021, the percentage of CPI seeing growth over 4% and the percentage of CPI seeing deflation were pretty similar. The >4% variables have seen a general up trend since mid 2023. Not really seeing any improvement in the big picture. Inflation still stuck. Rates not likely to be cut soon.
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I'm expecting another "hot" CPI and PPI report this Wed. and Thurs. because commodities rallied hard in March.

Prediction: CPI +0.4%
Called it again, thanks to commodities!
(and still lost $7,000 out of commitment not to trade in an out of stocks)

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I guess stagflation this year is an alternative to that classic recession I was expecting last year. Nominal GDP is positive but real GDP is underwater.

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I little bit more of this and we can expect rate hikes for sure. The last thing the Fed wants is stagflation.

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My brokerage accounts are down nearly $13,000 today.

I nailed the +0.4% CPI number.
I was aware that in past instances where commodities movement predicted CPI, the surprise was NOT already priced in.
I was aware stocks would probably decline, and that this could be the last straw for a lot of believers in a June rate cut.
And yet I didn't sell yesterday because I've sworn off metric timing. As a consolation prize I sold a few covered calls yesterday for a few hundred bucks, but that barely mitigated the damage of not listening to myself and applying a lesson I've learned over the past couple of years.

This situation is making it painful to maintain the buy and hold stance I adopted earlier this year, after largely missing the gains of 2023. I'm still up nearly 4% YTD but still, ouch.
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But it's time to look ahead rather than behind - either for comfort or confirmation that we're at risk of a hawkish Fed pivot. Clearly, there's something propping up CPI at an annualized level between 3% and 4%. Even worse, supercore inflation (CPI excluding food, energy, and shelter) went way up last month. This is evidence against "transitory" explanations about commodities, wars, or housing.

Some of these are explanations I've used. The evidence is piling up that I need to recalibrate expectations (again).

Falling inflation and interest rates is a key assumption of the soft landing scenario.

If rapidly rising wages, most recently clocked at 4.1% annualized, are the key driver pushing/holding inflation up, then it seems our imagined soft landing with mostly full employment and a 2% inflation rate could be impossible to realize while employers are competing fiercely for talent. If there's a close wage-inflation connection right now, it would mean the Fed is definitely going to keep rates high until a recession occurs or is imminent. A wage spiral can only be stopped when enough people are laid off to create a surplus in the labor pool.

If that's the scenario we're looking it, then hiding in BIL earning 5.2% doesn't look so bad. Not only will that rate not be cut significantly this year, but you also miss out on the Fed-induced recession and get an opportunity to actually buy during the recession. It also means the inverted yield curve could persist until that recession comes.

The futures market now thinks the first cut will occur in September, and that there will be only 25 or 50 basis points of cuts this year. At a S&P500 PE ratio of 28 (3.6% earnings yield), several rate cuts are arguably priced into the stock market.

The Fed's minutes show that they are inexplicably thinking about tapering down QT. Consider the following:

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The staff reviewed the 2017–19 balance sheet runoff episode and the lessons learned from that experience, including the importance of monitoring money market conditions in light of the uncertainty surrounding the level of reserves consistent with operating in an ample-reserves regime. The staff presented a set of simulations in which the current monthly pace of securities runoff was reduced to illustrate how the choice of when to start slowing the pace of runoff could affect the paths for the balance sheet and reserve balances. The simulations showed how various options for when to slow the pace of runoff could affect the duration of each of the expected phases of the transition to an ample level of reserves.

Participants observed that balance sheet runoff was proceeding smoothly. Nevertheless, taking into account the experience around the end of the 2017–19 balance sheet runoff episode, participants broadly assessed it would be appropriate to take a cautious approach to further runoff. The vast majority of participants thus judged it would be prudent to begin slowing the pace of runoff fairly soon.

This language seems inconsistent with a FOMC that is acknowledging the risk of inflation remaining in the 3-4% range, so I guess we're back to "transitory" thinking. It also suggests the FOMC might start tapering down QT before the first rate cut. This is ass-backward in my opinion.

Here are some clues about why money supply is not falling, despite QT:

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Most of these participants noted that, despite significant balance sheet reduction, reserve balances had remained elevated because the decline in usage of the ON RRP facility had shifted Federal Reserve liabilities toward reserves. However, with the extent of future declines in ON RRP take-up becoming more limited, further balance sheet runoff will likely translate more directly into declines in reserve balances, potentially at a rapid pace. In light of the uncertainty regarding the level of reserves consistent with operating in an ample-reserves regime, slowing the pace of balance sheet runoff sooner rather than later would help facilitate a smooth transition from abundant to ample reserve balances. Slower runoff would give the Committee more time to assess market conditions as the balance sheet continues to shrink. It would allow banks, and short-term funding markets more generally, additional time to adjust to the lower level of reserves, thus reducing the probability that money markets experience undue stress that could require an early end to runoff. Therefore, the decision to slow the pace of runoff does not mean that the balance sheet will ultimately shrink by less than it would otherwise. Rather, a slower pace of runoff would facilitate ongoing declines in securities holdings consistent with reaching ample reserves. A few participants, however, indicated that they preferred to continue with the current pace of balance sheet runoff until market indicators begin to show signs that reserves are approaching an ample level.

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The continuing decline in ON RRP take-up primarily reflected money market funds' (MMFs) ongoing reallocation of assets to Treasury bills amid continued bill issuance and relatively attractive bill yields.

So here we have an explanation for why money supply is flat amid QT. The decline in overnight reverse repo agreements means market participants have more cash in their hands, so money supply is higher. Government deficits are also contributing to flat money supply. The government is performing QT with one hand and money printing with the other, which have roughly netted out for the past several months. Now we're talking about tapering down the QT. Any such move would cause money supply to rise, which would stimulate both the economy and inflation.

At least some participants are still worrying about inflation:

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Some participants noted that the recent increases in inflation had been relatively broad based and therefore should not be discounted as merely statistical aberrations.

You can bet the committee members who took this stance will not be voting for rate cuts until the 4th quarter.

Still, the FOMC is considering doing the most inflationary thing they could do - reducing QT - after greatly reducing repo window borrowing, in an environment of flat-to-rising too-high inflation. Either a policy pivot is imminent or the FOMC is about to blunder into another inflationary episode.

What they should be doing is increasing QT to the extent possible to tackle the inflation problem while reducing rates to reduce the risk of recession. If the Fed does the exact opposite of this, as their March minutes suggest, it will be time to buckle up. I'll be collaring my stock positions starting on Monday.

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The March 2024 Producer Price Index came in... cold! Stock futures pivoted from -1% losses to small gains on the news.

PPI = +0.2% in March, +2.1% annual.

This comes after January PPI was +0.4% and February was +0.6%. "Core PPI" excluding food, energy, and trade services was also up +0.2% in March and stands at +2.8% annual.

Services accounted for the increase, while goods had a price decrease.

My interpretation: It must be rising labor prices rather than producer prices that is pushing up inflation. The eventual solution to rising wages is rising unemployment. Looks like this is the only way out, which makes the stock market a game of musical chairs for the rest of this year.

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I'm not sure that higher wages are really driving all that much of the gain. Seems like auto and home insurance are seeing some of the highest rates of inflation these days. Most of the increase in Supercore is coming from transportation services, and the biggest driver there is auto insurance. Housing still staying elevated as well where home insurance is felt in overall CPI. Both housing and transportation have higher financing costs as well (by design).

Just saw this related graphic. Car insurance approaching 50% of YoY Supercore inflation!:
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So the most recent policy change was to keep FFR steady but reduce the rate of QT.  If the Fed sees the FFR rate as the "gain" knob and QT/QE as "fine" knob, why are we not hearing that QT is going to return to the previous rate?  Not a rate increase but modestly more restrictive policy. 

Personally, I have reservations about the Fed having a huge balance sheet for ideological reasons.  I think they should speed up the balance sheet shrinking for moral reasons.

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I'm not sure that higher wages are really driving all that much of the gain. Seems like auto and home insurance are seeing some of the highest rates of inflation these days. Most of the increase in Supercore is coming from transportation services, and the biggest driver there is auto insurance. Housing still staying elevated as well where home insurance is felt in overall CPI. Both housing and transportation have higher financing costs as well (by design).

Just saw this related graphic. Car insurance approaching 50% of YoY Supercore inflation!:

Let's talk about insurance for a second. I think I need more insights from someone familiar with the industry to understand what's happening with rate increases, and whether it could be a sustained driver of inflation. One might think insurance would be highly profitable right now, because insurance companies have a positive cost of capital due to investing their float. On the other hand, they are like banks in the sense that they were probably sitting on lots of bond duration when rates rose, and now they're scrambling to rebuild capital.

I'm also aware there's more work than workers in construction and auto repair, driving up the prices insurance companies pay. Legislation in places like CA and FL is driving out competition there, and that's raising national averages. One article I read cited:
  • more accidents due to post-pandemic drivers being out of practice
  • higher cost of auto repairs due to parts being expensive
  • more bodily injury claims
  • weather damaging cars in Gulf/Atlantic states
  • EVs (read: Teslas) being more expensive to repair
  • higher cost/complexity of the cars people are buying
It's also worth keeping in mind that 2024's premiums are the result of 2022 and 2023's claims experience. Like rents, this is a lagging price indicator. If most of these factors are no longer in effect (e.g. resolution of supply chain issues have reduced auto parts inflation, as the article says happened) then we can expect such factors to stop pushing up insurance premiums.

The more accidents and more injuries factors could be a result of less traffic due to people working from home. This allows for higher speeds, and more consequential / frequent crashes. I think WFH is entrenched so this could be persistent.

The "drivers out of practice" explanation seems like grasping at straws. This would only seem to apply to drivers who went from WFH back to the office - so not that many in the grand scheme.

The cost of auto parts factor should be resolved, per the article, but the labor cost problem remains. This would resolve with higher unemployment.

EV repairs and the higher cost/complexity of all vehicles are a factor, but it reflects consumer preferences for vehicles that are costly to repair, or the after-effects of pandemic-era shortages of more affordable cars. I could envision a FOMC official examining that bit of information and concluding it does not reflect a monetary policy problem.

As for the weather explanation... I call B.S. on that. We've not been struck by a Hurricane Katrina or Andrew type event in the past few years.

Anyone else have thoughts about whether insurance inflation is transitory?

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So the most recent policy change was to keep FFR steady but reduce the rate of QT.  If the Fed sees the FFR rate as the "gain" knob and QT/QE as "fine" knob, why are we not hearing that QT is going to return to the previous rate?  Not a rate increase but modestly more restrictive policy. 

Personally, I have reservations about the Fed having a huge balance sheet for ideological reasons.  I think they should speed up the balance sheet shrinking for moral reasons.

Can't put my finger on a reference, but having a large balance sheet was also a contributing factor to Japan's lost decade...  IMHO, the US Fed still doesn't have a good understanding of how much effect QT / QE has on inflation nor a clue as to what an appropriate balance sheet target is.  It's a nice tool to have when banks need liquidity (2008, March 2023) but the US economy is falling in to over-reliance on this 'free money button'...

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The size of the increase varies depending on which source I look at, but it appear car theft has increased substantially (perhaps has much as 2x*) from the relatively stable levels it was at pre-pandemic. That would seem to be a good candidate for an additional contributor to higher car insurance costs.

*That's can't be right, can it?

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So the most recent policy change was to keep FFR steady but reduce the rate of QT.  If the Fed sees the FFR rate as the "gain" knob and QT/QE as "fine" knob, why are we not hearing that QT is going to return to the previous rate?  Not a rate increase but modestly more restrictive policy. 

Personally, I have reservations about the Fed having a huge balance sheet for ideological reasons.  I think they should speed up the balance sheet shrinking for moral reasons.

Can't put my finger on a reference, but having a large balance sheet was also a contributing factor to Japan's lost decade...  IMHO, the US Fed still doesn't have a good understanding of how much effect QT / QE has on inflation nor a clue as to what an appropriate balance sheet target is.  It's a nice tool to have when banks need liquidity (2008, March 2023) but the US economy is falling in to over-reliance on this 'free money button'...
I agree the Fed appears to think QT/QE is the "fine" knob and interest rates the "gain" knob. However I think QT/QE should be treated as the "gain" knob and interest rates should be the "fine" knob. This would insulate swings in monetary policy from the fate of businesses and consumption, potentially controlling inflation/deflation without causing recessions.

Such a practice would involve holding a big-enough balance sheet to be able to credibly engage in QT (bond selling) when inflation strikes - about a trillion or trillion-and-a-half should suffice. About that much QT was the medicine which brought CPI down from 9% to about 3% in only a year. Inflation utterly collapsed while growth took off in 2023 and early 2024. This outcome has so far exceeded even the optimists' greatest hopes.

Yes, the treasuries and agency bonds on the Fed's balance sheet represent money printing. However this money printing occurred due to tax and spending legislation, not because the government was buying its own bonds. The worst we can say is that maybe Fed demand keeps rates lower than they'd otherwise be, but at some point this explanation suggests investors are not smart enough to detect money printing and demand commensurate yield.

Japan's pre-pandemic government owned assets greater than 100% of GDP, compared to about 20% for the U.S. Experience suggests that is a lot more than would be needed to maintain a credible inflation-crushing QT capability.

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How do you think Biden’s $7.4 billion in student loan forgiveness today will affect inflation? It seems like this is completely the wrong time to be giving free money to white collar 30 year olds when we are at the top of the hill with interest rate hikes and the last inflation report shows that inflation is rising again!

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How do you think Biden’s $7.4 billion in student loan forgiveness today will affect inflation? It seems like this is completely the wrong time to be giving free money to white collar 30 year olds when we are at the top of the hill with interest rate hikes and the last inflation report shows that inflation is rising again!

Not much. The US economy is about $28 trillion GDP. So... $7.4 billion is 0.026%. The federal budget is filled with things like social security and defense spending which will drive inflation a lot more than this program.

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I thought this chart from Yardeni was interesting. Through this lens today's environment looks a lot like the late 1980's through early 1990s - another time when there were concerns about inflation being persistent (though in fairness, their CPI readings were 4-6%). A recession and yield curve un-inversion could come quickly and squash inflation for good, if history is a guide. Mideast instability only brings back more of that 1990 nostalgia.

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I caught a brief but interesting presentation (skip to minus 51 minute mark) today by James Bullard, former Federal Reserve president.

Remember how Bullard's presentations about the Taylor Rule prescribed a Federal Funds Rate between 5% and 7% in 2022, when everyone thought that was a radical idea? Remember how he illustrated the Taylor Rule and how we could tell if policy was stimulative or restrictive?

Well, we have an update with fresh numbers!

Bullard takes a classical/monetarist approach to understanding the post-pandemic era, blaming a "fiscal response" for the inflation episode and holding back a lot less than when he was a federal employee. At about the minus 44 mark, he illustrates  the Taylor Rule band between dovish and hawkish assumptions. The result is a finding that a neutral policy rate here in early 2024 would be around 3.25%, as opposed to the actual 5.5%. So we're demonstrably in restrictive territory by at least a couple percent. Even if you assume that the natural rate of interest has risen, as some scholars suggested, Bullard shows we're still applying strong downward pressure on inflation and GDP growth.

The Taylor Rule Bullard illustrates doesn't even account for the continued effect of QT. So add that to the case that policy is actually very restrictive.

This is comforting for those who, like me, are holding stock and waiting for rate cuts. It also suggests long-duration bonds could do well because future inflation readings are likely to trend lower. The same method that was right - in 2021 - about the need for rate hikes in 2022 and 2023 seems to be forecasting the need to cut rates in 2024 and 2025.

The two tricky things are (a) whether the Fed will follow TR prescriptions soon, or with a too-long delay like in 2021, and (b) whether the housing or office markets will collapse before rate cuts can happen. These timing factors may persuade me to try my luck with long-duration treasuries again instead of stocks (I made about 20% in a month last winter). I'll be keeping a close eye on yields, and if they exceed October 2023 levels I might buy EDV or ZROZ again. We're only 30-40bp away!

Also, the longer the Fed delays, the higher the risk of a recession or crisis. The FFR plateau was 12 months long in 2006-2007 and according to the futures market we'll hit that milestone in August. If the 2007 analogue holds true, we could be diving into recession by January, despite aggressive cuts.

It's not that I'm being superstitious pointing out these timeframes. It's that there comes a point where businesses and CRE owners have to refinance the majority of their debt at these higher rates, where the supply of home buyers who can afford 7+% mortgages runs out, or where the market loses faith that rate cuts will ever come. 

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"Chicago Fed National Financial Conditions Index" shows financial conditions have gotten steadily looser over the past 12 months, with the net effect being the loosest financial conditions in over two years.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NFCI

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Relevant article:  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-forecasting-method-looks-increasingly-124255699.html

TL;DR - Fed should use "scenario analysis" to communicate policy intentions instead of single point estimates.

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Time to predict PCE and Core PCE. March was a high inflation month for all the reasons illustrated earlier. For personal consumption, I'm guessing:

PCE:            +0.4%
Core PCE:    +0.4%

In February, PCE was up +0.3% and Core PCE rose +0.3%. I'm betting consumers spent more in March because:

The game is to complete the following graph in a way that makes sense. PCE and Core PCE tend to reflect to a less exaggerated degree the direction of CPI/Core CPI, with perhaps a little bias to be less than CPI/Core CPI. Based on this interpretation, +0.35% seems reasonable for both PCE and Core PCE. 


However, I'm going to revise that baselines UP to +0.4% because of retail sales. Note how Core PCE tends to follow the path of retail sales (PCE and retail sales are after all, measures of what people spent money on and how much).


The wildcard, and probable reason if I'm wrong, is that the growth rate of rents fell off a cliff starting in March of last year.

However I will disregard this argument because it didn't make much of a difference for March CPI - rental of primary residence which was about the same as Core CPI.

Market Expectations:

According to CNN, the market expects PCE to be 2.8% annualized.
The Cleveland Fed's Nowcasting model expects a 0.32% PCE and 0.3% Core PCE.

Based on these expectations versus mine, I should expect a sell-off on Thursday. If I'm right, a reasonable estimate for PCE is not priced in.

1st quarter GDP could actually be more consequential to the path of interest rates than PCE. As one commentator notes:
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The first estimate for US GDP for Q1 2024 is anticipated to reveal cooling economic activity. Expectations heading into the event indicate real GDP growth will slow to an annualised rate of just north of 2.0%, down from the annualised rate of 3.4% in Q4 2023 and 4.9% in Q3 2023. Interestingly, though, the Atlanta GDPNow model estimates real GDP growth in Q1 of 2024 to be 2.9%, presenting the possibility for a beat in data this week. An upside surprise here would likely bolster demand for the USD and could also prompt further hawkish repricing in rates markets (the US Dollar Index is up +1.5% MTD, on track to record a fourth straight monthly gain).
So there's 2 ways to lose. If Core PCE is too high OR if GDP is too high, the market might move toward a prediction of one rate cut this year, maybe in November. The path to good news would look like slow GDP growth OR a sudden increase in the personal savings rate which fell to a mere 3.6% in February, because that's about the only thing that could bring down PCE.

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Home sales above recent high - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-home-sales-jump-highest-141351350.html

This smells inflationary.  We need the housing market to cool down.  Decade high interest rates aren't doing it.  Nothing can.  We have a systemic shortage of inventory that has gone on for a long time.  Rents and owner equivalent have to stay high.  This is an item that lags in the headline numbers as a 12 month average is used.

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For months I've been saying we don't have an inflation problem, we have a housing bubble problem.

However the most recent CPI minus shelter number seems to contradict that sentiment. CPI minus shelter rose from 1.79% in February to 2.33% in March.

So inflation is now too high even if we exclude the effects of the housing bubble. That wasn't true for the past 10 months, but now it is.



CPI-rent and CPI-owner's equivalent rent were respectively +5.7% and +5.9% in March. These components of inflation are still falling over time, but Core Services are taking over the inflation growth story. I think Core Service inflation is rising because of rising wages. Rising wages are due to low unemployment.

So I think we're seeing the contradiction of more than the housing-drives-inflation narrative, we're seeing a contradiction of the soft-landing narrative. Core Services inflation can't be reduced until wage growth is reduced, which will require higher unemployment.

Also, inflation is pulling ahead even at a 5.5% FFR upper limit. This contradicts the Taylor Rule application I described earlier, because it seems inflation is back on the rise even with a model-indicated "restrictive" policy.

I took advantage of today's rally to moderately reduce my portfolio's beta. I still think most signs indicate Thursday's GDP and PCE reports are going to be bad news, in the sense both will exceed expectations. A bad Core PCE number is going to change the language that comes out of next week's FOMC meeting.

Businessweek recently ran an article about how Americans are not stopping their spending behavior in reaction to high prices, even if they don't like it. Their catchphrase is "hate spending". If consumers would only cut back a bit and increase their savings rate, the Fed would be seeing the numbers it needs to cut rates. Instead, signs now suggest policy will remain restrictive for longer, at least until we see significant unemployment, increasing the odds of a recession or real estate crisis. 

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Thanks for the work you guys are doing. I'd say that you've convinced me at the very least that we will not be seeing 3% inflation anytime soon. I'm not quite convinced that inflation will exceed the 5.5% figure, but I think more likely the fed may just be unable to affect inflation beyond a certain point. At the moment to me it seems like we'll be floating in the 3.5-5.5% range for perhaps the next couple years.

This is also causing my SO and I to question keeping our rental. A part of us wants to sell it, but the other part sees the housing prices continue to skyrocket as well as the pretty good mortgage rate we have on it. At the moment, it looks like we should hold. Housing doesn't feel like it will be resolved anytime soon, and especially not in my area where raw, buildable land is quite rare. Thankfully, my renters are pretty nice so far, so no need rush to a decision this year.

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I'm working on solving the mystery of why money supply stopped plummeting, starting in May 2023. I suspect this event had something to do with the shift from rapid disinflation to very slow disinflation a few months later.



So how is money supply no longer going down as rapidly as before, despite an unchanged $95B/month rate of QT?

Many of us exposed to political talk would cite the federal budget deficit and say that in 2023 it represented $+1.69T in money printing, offsetting the 95B*12= $-1.14T per year in QT for an expected net gain of $+550B to the money supply in 2023. However, M2 actually declined by $470B from January 2023 to January 2024. M1 declined by $1.58T in the same timeframe. There seems to be at least a trillion-dollar leak in this simplistic theory.

Wolf Ritcher of the Wolf Street blog reports some points I might use to at least partially plug this hole and explain more parts of the bigger picture of money supply and inflation.

As we know, the Federal Reserve sits on a massive pile of treasuries, many of which were purchased when interest rates were very low - the years after the GFC and during COVID. The Fed receives interest from the Treasury on their bonds, which includes lots of low-yielding long-duration bonds. These interest payments, on net, show up as part of the national deficit, even as the government is paying them to itself.

On the other hand, the Fed pays interest on reserve balances that banks must keep at the Fed, and the Fed also pays interest in overnight repo markets. The Fed's own interest rates have bumped this interest rate to 5.4% and 5.3%, respectively. So when the Fed is earning maybe 2% on a treasury bond bought long ago, and paying 5.4% on reserve balances, the Fed reports a "loss". Yes, this is the government printing money on the one hand and saying they lost it on the other hand, but let's go ahead and pretend because this activity is consequential to the amount of cash in the economy. Fed "losses" represent net interest received by somebody in the market - probably a bank which uses it to create even more money supply through loans.

Thus, when the Fed is holding long-duration and lending short-duration, an inverted yield curve leads to the Fed injecting money into the markets via its deficit in net interest.

Wolf Street reports the Fed's interest expenses increased 175% in 2023, and that the Fed "lost" $114.3 billion on net by paying that much more in interest than they received. The Fed usually remits "profits" to the Fed, but due to the inverted yield curve they are instead making big losses:


These "losses", $130B across 2022 plus 2023, represent a form of stimulus or QE, and should be expected to contribute positively to money supply to the extent they are paid to banks, governments, or private parties. Thus as the Fed's interest expenses and "losses" grew, this was essentially the injection of billions of dollars into the economy, just like QE. Also note that when the Treasury stopped receiving remittances from the Fed, they had to plug that hole in their budget by borrowing / printing more money, which resulted in them paying even more interest cash to the often-private holders of those treasuries.

So to some extent, the government's $947.6 billion dollars in 2023 interest expenditures represent expansion of the monetary base. Now we're very close to explaining the gap between QT, deficits, and money supply shrinkage! It's government interest payments!

So even though the Fed's losses only explain a small percentage of the change in money supply, they lead us on a trail that suggests the massive amount of spending on interest is a form of QE rivaling and offsetting QT. Inflation may be flatlining or rising again because these factors are keeping money supply high.

This represents a change to our whole model of inflation and intervention.

In a world where the Fed is engaging in massive overnight lending to control interest rates, and where the treasury owes nearly $35T in debt, the government's efforts to raise interest rates will result in hundreds of billions of dollars in money supply injected into the system. I.e. the government has to pay that interest into people's pockets. Thus rate hikes now have both a restrictive and stimulative effect, whereas in the past they were much more restrictive. They're constraining consumption and business investment with rate hikes while at the same time pouring money into the market with higher interest payments.

So are there any plans for the government to pay less in interest anytime soon? If so, that would contribute downward pressure on money supply, and the monetarists among us might expect inflation to resume falling.

According to Wolf Street, the Fed is expected to wind down their overnight reverse repo market. This market is already $1.9T smaller than it was, and is down to $441B. That's a lot of 5.4% interest the Fed won't have to pay!


Wolf Street expects Reserve Balances to fall after the overnight program goes to zero, as QT removes excess cash from that market. Some money leaving the overnight repo market ends up here, but not enough to offset QT.


The overall amount the Fed pays interest on - overnight repos plus reserves - is falling rapidly. This number is down almost $2T since the peak in December 2021.


On the flipside, the Fed will be earning a bit less interest as QT winds down its balance sheet. But the net flow of interest cash to the market will be reduced.

HOWEVER, this is just the tip of the iceberg we're talking about. The Treasury will keep paying high interest rates, even after rate cuts begin. We could be in a situation where the deficit is so large, and high rates contribute so much to money supply, that raising rates to the mid-single-digits no longer works for inflation control or GDP reduction.

The FOMC might be operating on a playbook that was relevant for earlier times or lower-deficit times. So their response might be to hike rates even further, in reaction to the money supply growth caused by their own rate hikes. Perhaps this is why GLD is up 17.3% over the past 6 months.

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I'm working on solving the mystery of why money supply stopped plummeting, starting in May 2023. I suspect this event had something to do with the shift from rapid disinflation to very slow disinflation a few months later.
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Your conclusions make perfect sense to me and reflects what I have been saying about the size of the Fed BS being so "large" in relative terms because it logically means someone in the market is getting "Crowded out".  Turns out the Fed may be crowding ITSELF out in the interest markets!

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From  Yahoo! Finance - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gdp-us-economy-grows-at-16-annual-pace-in-first-quarter-falling-short-of-estimates-while-inflation-increases-123328820.html

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The US economy grew at its slowest pace in nearly two years last quarter as inflation topped Wall Street estimates.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis's advance estimate of first quarter US gross domestic product (GDP) showed the economy grew at an annualized pace of 1.6% during the period, missing the 2.5% growth expected by economists surveyed by Bloomberg. The reading came in significantly lower than fourth quarter GDP, which was revised up to 3.4%.

Meanwhile, the "core" Personal Consumption Expenditures index, which excludes the volatile food and energy categories, grew by 3.7% in the first quarter, above estimates of 3.4% and significantly higher than 2% gain in the prior quarter.

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The March GDP advance estimate provides a signal of where we are going: Looking like stagflation.

Annualized Real GDP: +1.6% in Q1, compared to +3.4% in 4Q2023
Annualized 1st Quarter PCE: +3.4%, compared to +1.8% in 4Q2023
Annualized 1st Quarter Core PCE: +3.7%, compared to +2% in 4Q2023

Today's numbers will be revised on May 30. But so far it's looking very good for my forecast that monthly PCE/Core PCE will surprise to the upside tomorrow. Markets are down today, as I expected.

So far, I'm up about $5k on my decision to take some risk off the table this week ahead of PCE, not counting one ATM covered call I wrote. I could buy back in today and lock in these gains, or wait until monthly PCE and Core PCE come out tomorrow. Experience says I should wait, and maybe buy my shares back by Monday. Might sell puts on Friday. However there is also a case for taking the win. Five grand for doing some low-skill data analysis ain't bad, but even that could be lost if I wait too long. So to support my decision to wait a couple of days, I need to think about exactly how bad we should expect the monthly numbers to be.

PCE is kinda funny. They released the first quarter PCE today, but will release March PCE tomorrow! I tried to extrapolate the range of tomorrow's PCE report from the quarterly number and January/February monthly numbers. My attempts to make the Jan+Feb numbers add up to the quarterly number produced a nonsense result - suggesting that PCE went flat in March while CPI and retail sales were zooming upward. No, I don't think that happened. Please chime in if you have methodological guidance here.

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I would have thought slowing GDP would be received more positively by markets, and would have increased the odds of rate cuts occurring sooner rather than later. Instead, FFR futures markets increased the odds of NO rate cuts through the rest of 2024. I wonder if the FOMC sees it that way, or if low GDP growth is exactly the cover they were waiting for to lower rates. If monthly PCE isn't too scary, maybe JPow will say in next week's press conference that cooling down the economy is progressing nicely and we're still on track for rate cuts.

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I missed!

PCE: +0.3% monthly, +2.7% annualized
Core PCE: +0.3% monthly, +2.8% annualized
Personal income and disposable personal income were both up 0.5%!!!

Stocks are heading north. Looks like I'll be selling puts until I can get back in at my original share counts.

Glad I didn't bet the farm with a bear spread or something. It seemed obvious at the time, but here's a reminder that these things never are clear cut.

Interestingly, PCE arrived near consensus despite the Personal Savings Rate dropping from 3.6% in February to 3.2% in March. This number hit a low of 1.4% in July 2005, and spent most of 2005-2008 below today's levels, so savings could stay low for a while.
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Consumer Confidence was down for the 3rd straight month, missing forecasts. Survey participants thought conditions were good for businesses, but they thought the labor market would get worse. 66% thought a recession is somewhat or very likely within the next 12 months.

This is an interesting feeling of pessimism considering the happy state of Initial Claims and the 3.8% Unemployment Rate. It's also interesting considering today's BLS report that "wages and salaries" rose 1.2% in the first 3 months of 2024, and up 4.4% over the past 12 months. If wages are rising 4.4% and PCE was 2.7%, then what do people have to complain about? Compensation is increasing 1.7% per year in real terms and we're rapidly gaining ground on the real losses of purchasing power in 2022-mid 2023.

Makes you wonder if they know something that isn't reflected in the data yet?

Hypotheses:

1) Low Savings: Personally, I would be a bit depressed about the economy too if my Savings Rate was only 3.2%. If a significant percentage of people are getting squeezed by the housing bubble or their own revenge spending to the point they can't save money or pay off credit cards, then maybe they are actually in a precarious position where they do need to worry about the risk of job losses. Of course, my easy solution would be to cut spending until the savings rate was healthier, but I'm also here on the MMM board and most people don't think this way. Another interpretation is that people know they should cut back on spending, and they are expressing that anxiety as fear for their jobs.

2) Mortgage Limbo: Perhaps a marginal percentage of survey respondents are holding out hope that they can buy a home at sub-6% mortgage rates or refinance the albatross they bought for too much money over the past couple of years. For people who've staked everything on falling rates, the last 3 months of stubborn inflation and rising rates might have come as a shock. Now the buyers can only envision rates falling if jobs are lost, and the owners are worried about keeping up with the payments if they loose their job. 

3) Political Hype: A conversation with a friend who has been convinced by his Xitter feed that the US started the Russian invasion of Ukraine reminded me that we all live in different worlds with different "facts". We are all individually targeted for misinformation and generally believe what we are told. Perhaps the right-wing media universe has coordinated itself around an "economy is bad" narrative now that the primaries are over, and the Trump court cases are droning along. I know enough people who repeat what Fox News focuses on in any given month to think this effect could move a survey a percent or two.

4) Geopolitical Hype: There's been a lot more news lately about Israel, Iran, the Houthis, Ukraine, and military anxieties in general. As Ukraine has lost ground amid American infighting, and as Israel and Iran exchanged missiles for the first time, there's a foreboding sense that something bad is about to happen. Media narratives about an imminent Chinese invasion of Taiwan are helping this along. In people's minds, maybe that could be interpreted to mean a U.S. recession, the severing of supply lines like during COVID, or worse.

Anybody else have hypotheses?



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Also, I'm trying to figure out how money supply will be affected by fast-increasing interest payments on the national debt, because I think this insight will help determine whether the flat/high inflation of the past few months represents a blip in the trend or a reason why 

I need to figure out how I can forecast the amount of interest that would be paid by the US government under various interest rate scenarios. The CBO projects $870B in 2024 and $951B in 2025. I.e. as old, low interest rate debt matures, the government must replace it with new, high interest rate debt and this process continues forever until rates are cut. Compare these numbers to $352B in 2021, before the government raised the rate on its own debt.



The CBO projects interest payments will be 3.1% of GDP in 2024, and 3.2% in 2025. Their published-in-February estimate assumes a FFR of 5.1% in 2024, and 4.1% in 2025. They also assume steady 4.6% 10-year yield in both years, with GDP growing 1.5% and 2.2% respectively. I'll dive into this report to see if their assumptions can be replicated in a spreadsheet where the variables can be tweaked.

My question is whether we're in a spiral where money to pay interest contributes to the monetary base, which increases inflation, necessitating higher rates, and leading to printing more money to pay interest. If so, the Fed's prescription is rate cuts and continued QT to keep downward pressure on money supply.

If JPow comes out on Wednesday afternoon announcing an opposite approach (higher for longer and tapering QT), that'll be a signal the FOMC is operating on obsolete heuristics that worked back when the US debt/deficits weren't such a large percentage of GDP (~100% and 3.1% respectively). In that event it may be time to pile into I-bonds, commodities, short-duration treasuries, and other hedges, such as short options on EDV, TLT, and ZROZ. The idea of tapering QT would seem highly inflationary.

If JPow comes out remaining fairly confident about maybe two rate cuts in the 2nd half of 2024 and says nothing about QT, I'll be more comfortable with my stock-heavy allocation and long thesis that inflation is falling due to slightly restrictive policy.

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My question is whether we're in a spiral where money to pay interest contributes to the monetary base, which increases inflation, necessitating higher rates, and leading to printing more money to pay interest. If so, the Fed's prescription is rate cuts and continued QT to keep downward pressure on money supply.

Absent action by the fed, increased interest payments on the national debt shouldn't increase or decrease the money supply, no? If the treasury is paying out more in interest, that means they also need to borrow more to get the money to pay that interest and the net effect on the money supply should be zero.

We're already on track to add $1.5 trillion+ a year to the federal deficit (without a recession, or a pandemic, or a war, just as our regular day to day spending), so if interest rates keep going up it certainly seems like we're headed for a fiscal crisis: having to borrow ever more money at ever higher interest rates to pay the interest on the debt from the money we've already borrowed.

But if the fed really remains independent there is no hard and fast rule that a fiscal crisis would turn into a monetary crisis (e.g. high inflation).

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Consumer Confidence was down for the 3rd straight month, missing forecasts. Survey participants thought conditions were good for businesses, but they thought the labor market would get worse. 66% thought a recession is somewhat or very likely within the next 12 months.

This is an interesting feeling of pessimism considering the happy state of Initial Claims and the 3.8% Unemployment Rate. It's also interesting considering today's BLS report that "wages and salaries" rose 1.2% in the first 3 months of 2024, and up 4.4% over the past 12 months. If wages are rising 4.4% and PCE was 2.7%, then what do people have to complain about? Compensation is increasing 1.7% per year in real terms and we're rapidly gaining ground on the real losses of purchasing power in 2022-mid 2023.

Makes you wonder if they know something that isn't reflected in the data yet?

An anecdote: I work for a large manufacturing corporation that operates in a market that's typically pretty cyclical. My department has historically had nearly unlimited overtime for all but a handful of short periods over the last decade. Last year, they eliminated overtime, offered early retirement packages, cut expenses wherever possible, and generally avoided costs. That has mostly continued in 2024, and we got an email last week from the CEO that indicated restructuring was underway, and some amount of "involuntary exits" would be occurring sometime this year for salaried workers. The stock price recently hit an All Time High (~10% higher than the previous ATH), and still trades around 2% above the previous ATH.

Anecdote #2: I went into my local WalMart last night for the first time in months. They're renovating, and where there used to be ~30 checkout lanes with a dozen or more cashiers they've now installed nothing but self checkouts. Customers are funneled into one of two entry points where a single employee directs them to open self checkouts. Once done scanning/bagging the purchases, customers are funneled back down to an exit where a couple of employees can try to limit theft (ahem I mean politely greet customers as they leave, and make sure that they don't need any help). They're reducing headcount by making customers do the work. This general trend has been happening at all of the box stores/groceries that I visit, but this was the largest implementation that I've seen to date.

So, while official wages may be clawing back a bit of the losses they suffered in recent years, and "The Market" is generally killing it, and official Unemployment numbers continue to shine brightly, we see large corporations tightening belts and cutting costs/staffing.

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My question is whether we're in a spiral where money to pay interest contributes to the monetary base, which increases inflation, necessitating higher rates, and leading to printing more money to pay interest. If so, the Fed's prescription is rate cuts and continued QT to keep downward pressure on money supply.
Absent action by the fed, increased interest payments on the national debt shouldn't increase or decrease the money supply, no? If the treasury is paying out more in interest, that means they also need to borrow more to get the money to pay that interest and the net effect on the money supply should be zero.
This is an interesting point. The interest is added to the rest of the deficit, and just increases the amount borrowed. But it's not a wash in terms of money supply. The government's increasing dollar liabilities equal dollar assets in the private sector.

Both deficit spending and interest spending inject money back into the economy. I.e. whether you are receiving a paycheck from a government contract or are holding treasuries and receiving interest, money is created and put into circulation in the domestic economy. There is some leakage outside the US economy, such as interest paid to foreign debt holders, remittances, the trade deficit, etc. but eventually most of those dollars come back as demand for treasuries.

More importantly I think, treasuries are widely accepted collateral. So banks and other lenders can create money supply by making loans against them. This would show up in M2 or M3 moreso than M1. We've seen M2 shrink by less than M1. Additionally, we've seen the NFCI, which is essentially a measure of loan liquidity, indicate looser and looser conditions.

Maybe my lens for understanding the phenomenon is a little bit off, but what "higher for longer" means in practice is a trillion dollars of extra spending and stimulus, like half of the 2021 American Rescue Plan occurring every year.


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The FOMC just concluded the May meeting with a whole lot of nothing new.  The market seemed pleased, maybe because Powell all but ruled out any further hiking of rates, but still no clarity on when the first rate cut might come or how many.  Also no wavering on the 2% target, and laughing off the idea that our current economic situation even has a whiff of stagflation.  I started this year off thinking that the market would tank if rate cuts didn't come through, but I'm encouraged by how resilient the S&P has been to disappointment.  Powell stated that our economy, unlike many others, is still experiencing strength in the face of sufficiently restrictive policy, and yet we are up ~1% right now.  Maybe that will fade a bit over the rest of today and this week, but I'm still relieved we are not dropping like a rock through 5000!

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Also, I'm trying to figure out how money supply will be affected by fast-increasing interest payments on the national debt, because I think this insight will help determine whether the flat/high inflation of the past few months represents a blip in the trend or a reason why 

I need to figure out how I can forecast the amount of interest that would be paid by the US government under various interest rate scenarios. The CBO projects $870B in 2024 and $951B in 2025. I.e. as old, low interest rate debt matures, the government must replace it with new, high interest rate debt and this process continues forever until rates are cut. Compare these numbers to $352B in 2021, before the government raised the rate on its own debt.



The CBO projects interest payments will be 3.1% of GDP in 2024, and 3.2% in 2025. Their published-in-February estimate assumes a FFR of 5.1% in 2024, and 4.1% in 2025. They also assume steady 4.6% 10-year yield in both years, with GDP growing 1.5% and 2.2% respectively. I'll dive into this report to see if their assumptions can be replicated in a spreadsheet where the variables can be tweaked.

My question is whether we're in a spiral where money to pay interest contributes to the monetary base, which increases inflation, necessitating higher rates, and leading to printing more money to pay interest. If so, the Fed's prescription is rate cuts and continued QT to keep downward pressure on money supply.

If JPow comes out on Wednesday afternoon announcing an opposite approach (higher for longer and tapering QT), that'll be a signal the FOMC is operating on obsolete heuristics that worked back when the US debt/deficits weren't such a large percentage of GDP (~100% and 3.1% respectively). In that event it may be time to pile into I-bonds, commodities, short-duration treasuries, and other hedges, such as short options on EDV, TLT, and ZROZ. The idea of tapering QT would seem highly inflationary.


If JPow comes out remaining fairly confident about maybe two rate cuts in the 2nd half of 2024 and says nothing about QT, I'll be more comfortable with my stock-heavy allocation and long thesis that inflation is falling due to slightly restrictive policy.

Reading news reports, Powell said no rate cuts but also not a rate hike. I guess that's in the higher for longer side of the middle?

Re QT, the article below from Barron's says "starting on June 1, the Fed will lower the monthly treasury runoff to $25 billion. The Fed continue to allow $35 billion of MBS to run off, but will reinvest principal payments above that level into Treasuries, according to Wednesday's news release." I guess that's on the "tapering QT" side?

https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/fed-interest-rates-jerome-powell-speech-live/card/fed-to-slow-balance-sheet-reduction-in-june-Ew54MYJeaEFc0bvcpp8z
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Also, I'm trying to figure out how money supply will be affected by fast-increasing interest payments on the national debt, because I think this insight will help determine whether the flat/high inflation of the past few months represents a blip in the trend or a reason why 

I need to figure out how I can forecast the amount of interest that would be paid by the US government under various interest rate scenarios. The CBO projects $870B in 2024 and $951B in 2025. I.e. as old, low interest rate debt matures, the government must replace it with new, high interest rate debt and this process continues forever until rates are cut. Compare these numbers to $352B in 2021, before the government raised the rate on its own debt.



The CBO projects interest payments will be 3.1% of GDP in 2024, and 3.2% in 2025. Their published-in-February estimate assumes a FFR of 5.1% in 2024, and 4.1% in 2025. They also assume steady 4.6% 10-year yield in both years, with GDP growing 1.5% and 2.2% respectively. I'll dive into this report to see if their assumptions can be replicated in a spreadsheet where the variables can be tweaked.

My question is whether we're in a spiral where money to pay interest contributes to the monetary base, which increases inflation, necessitating higher rates, and leading to printing more money to pay interest. If so, the Fed's prescription is rate cuts and continued QT to keep downward pressure on money supply.

If JPow comes out on Wednesday afternoon announcing an opposite approach (higher for longer and tapering QT), that'll be a signal the FOMC is operating on obsolete heuristics that worked back when the US debt/deficits weren't such a large percentage of GDP (~100% and 3.1% respectively). In that event it may be time to pile into I-bonds, commodities, short-duration treasuries, and other hedges, such as short options on EDV, TLT, and ZROZ. The idea of tapering QT would seem highly inflationary.


If JPow comes out remaining fairly confident about maybe two rate cuts in the 2nd half of 2024 and says nothing about QT, I'll be more comfortable with my stock-heavy allocation and long thesis that inflation is falling due to slightly restrictive policy.

Reading news reports, Powell said no rate cuts but also not a rate hike. I guess that's in the higher for longer side of the middle?

Re QT, the article below from Barron's says "starting on June 1, the Fed will lower the monthly treasury runoff to $25 billion. The Fed continue to allow $35 billion of MBS to run off, but will reinvest principal payments above that level into Treasuries, according to Wednesday's news release." I guess that's on the "tapering QT" side?

https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/fed-interest-rates-jerome-powell-speech-live/card/fed-to-slow-balance-sheet-reduction-in-june-Ew54MYJeaEFc0bvcpp8z
Yes, this is exactly the opposite policy I'd like to see. QT tapering will probably allow the monetary base to expand quickly amid a rising, interest-driven deficit. Loosening monetary policy in this way is an obvious and unforced error if the goal is to get inflation down.

Additionally, loosening the money supply now will cause it to take longer for inflation to reach 2%, which causes the government to pay more interest and have bigger deficits over time, which causes even looser money supply. This is how we end up in early 2025 pondering when the first rate cut will happen. It'll be because we propped up inflation when we didn't have to!

Without as much QT to hold down longer-duration rates and without prompt rate cuts to reduce the deficit, the yield curve could continue un-inverting from the long side instead of the short. A >5% ten-year rate might be associated with 8% mortgages and the next real estate / banking crisis.

I wonder if I should go back to SGOV and BIL before either locking in the next yield spike or buying stocks amid the next recession, whichever occurs first. Not feeling optimistic ATM but will continue thinking about it before making any moves. Wouldn't be the first time "higher for longer" turned into "too high for too long".


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Yes, this is exactly the opposite policy I'd like to see. QT tapering will[snip]

I concur.  For moral reasons I think we should be prioritizing QT and shrinking the Fed balance sheet.  Fed is "crowding out" the natural price discovery mechanism for interest rates.  IMO, Fed BS should be "small" except in emergencies.  We should be accelerating the QT, not tapering it!

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Yes, this is exactly the opposite policy I'd like to see. QT tapering will[snip]

I concur.  For moral reasons I think we should be prioritizing QT and shrinking the Fed balance sheet.  Fed is "crowding out" the natural price discovery mechanism for interest rates.  IMO, Fed BS should be "small" except in emergencies.  We should be accelerating the QT, not tapering it!

Good thing the Fed stays out of politics LOL

Sorry, that was overly cynical of me and off topic.  We have to deal with the hand we are dealt, which looks supportive of the stock market in the short term at least, until inflation calls our bluff.

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Yes, this is exactly the opposite policy I'd like to see. QT tapering will[snip]
I concur.  For moral reasons I think we should be prioritizing QT and shrinking the Fed balance sheet.  Fed is "crowding out" the natural price discovery mechanism for interest rates.  IMO, Fed BS should be "small" except in emergencies.  We should be accelerating the QT, not tapering it!
Good thing the Fed stays out of politics LOL

Sorry, that was overly cynical of me and off topic.  We have to deal with the hand we are dealt, which looks supportive of the stock market in the short term at least, until inflation calls our bluff.
That's been the market's reaction so far, and it kinda makes sense. Money supply expansion due to the end of QT may be inflationary, but it's also stimulative and good for business. It's as if Congress passed another big stimulus bill and dumped liquidity into an already-hot economy. Where do you want to be when that kind of thing happens? In stocks! At least until the interest rate hikes start when we have to deal with the inflation. Where do you NOT want to be? In long-duration bonds!

Re: politics, I'm not sure what's the angle. Is the FOMC stimulating the economy to keep the stock market propped up until November? Or is the FOMC ensuring that inflation stays a problem and rate cuts don't come by November? At some point, ineptitude > malice. All their talk about cooling down the economy, being committed to reaching 2% ASAP, and maybe letting unemployment rise a tad seems to be at odds with their policy. The easiest explanation is they are relying on defensible heuristics to make policy, rather than embarking upon bold theorizing about why unexpected results are occurring.

I'm not sure exactly where I want the Fed's balance sheet to land. They need to retain enough assets to wield a formidable QT weapon in the event of a inflationary crisis, and the economy's GDP is currently over $28T and rising fast - up $6.5T since 1Q2020. So looking ahead I would think they'd need to retain at least $4 trillion in assets to have that credibility to extinguish any hyper-inflationary expectations.

On the fiscal side though, innovations in monetary policy are only being used as excuses not to raise revenue or reduce the debt load. If there's a moral dilemma, that's where it lies. The monetary policy folks are getting better and better at patching the problems caused by the fiscal side folks, but that only gives politicians and voters license to postpone the inevitable.

Speaking of the "crowding out" effect and distortions of markets, I believe the Fed is concerned that current levels of QT could cause a liquidity crisis or an out of control yield spiral, as there have been under-subscribed treasury auctions in recent months. Large "tails" in recent treasury auctions suggest that demand is becoming more elastic at any given yield. So we may have reached the practical limits of QT: The more QT we do, and the more we shrink the Fed's asset base, the larger each auctions has to be, and we can already see we're running out of demand for treasuries. So the monetary authorities believe the only thing they can do to enable the fiscal authorities to borrow so much money without crashing the auctions is to taper back on QT.

It's not so much a political problem where leaders pressure the Fed, it's that the fiscal authorities and voters have backed the Fed into a corner where the Fed can no longer do as much as they'd like to do to fight inflation (i.e. more QT), because they have to manage the risk of a failed treasury auction and losing control of a yield spiral. This whole backdrop only further discourages people from owning long-duration treasuries, which exacerbates the problem.