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Re: An experiment
« Reply #350 on: June 13, 2021, 11:35:53 AM »
In late August last year, I bought a lot of 2022 Macy's calls (for under $2/sh), and sold my Macy's stock.  Those calls were tied to the recovery, and I finished selling them this past week (for over $11/sh, on average).  That was my recovery investment, which is part of what inspired this experiment.

I've sold my Macy's 2022 calls and my DIN stock.  The only stock I hold that overlaps the experiment is DXPE, a supply chain company.  The economy lurching back life has caused supply chain problems, but as those get worked out, I would assume DXPE recovers.  When I sell my DXPE stock, I plan to end the experiment.

But until then, the equal weight combination of Macy's, DXP Enterprises and Dine Brands has beat Vanguard Total Stock Market by +88% since the experiment started.

Benchmark (VTI)   72.00%      vs      Experiment   160.00%   
DIN   151.00%   /   M   192.00%   /   DXPE   136.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #351 on: June 13, 2021, 12:19:00 PM »
Good deal! Congrats on closing those positions, and thanks for the update.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #352 on: June 17, 2021, 02:53:48 AM »
Recently the UK pushed back it's reopening date because of the new "delta variant" of Sars-cov-2.  The new variant is much more contagious (+50% possibly) and causes much higher rates of hospitalization (possibly double).  The experts I've heard suggest at least 70% of people must be fully vaccinated for herd immunity - where the coronavirus can't easily find new hosts.  But that does not consider the new, more contagious variant - and no country has reached 70% anyways.

The experiment fell back to +83% ahead of the market, so the reopening continues.  DXPE is currently $32/share.  If it hits $37/sh, I'd call it fully recovered.  So sometime near that point, I'll probably sell my DXPE (and end the experiment).

Benchmark (VTI)   71.00%      vs      Experiment   154.00%   
DIN   147.00%   /   M   180.00%   /   DXPE   134.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #353 on: June 19, 2021, 07:37:57 AM »
The experiment lost 16% in a couple days, right after the FOMC (Federal Open Market Committee) meeting, leaving it +67% ahead of it's benchmark.

Benchmark (VTI)   69.00%      vs      Experiment   136.00%   
DIN   132.00%   /   M   166.00%   /   DXPE   111.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #354 on: June 27, 2021, 07:03:07 AM »
This past week I sold off 1/3rd of my DXPE shares, bringing me closer to the end of this experiment.

Apparently June 19 was a blip, as the experiment is back to +85% ahead:

Benchmark (VTI)   73.00%      vs      Experiment   158.00%   
DIN   140.00%   /   M   195.00%   /   DXPE   139.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #355 on: July 08, 2021, 08:08:44 PM »
Looks like it's too soon for the experiment to end, as fears over the Delta variant of Sars-cov-2 have impacted Covid sensitive stocks.  Since my June 27 post, the experiment has dropped 18%, leaving it +66% ahead of it's benchmark.

Benchmark (VTI)   74.00%      vs      Experiment   140.00%   
DIN   125.00%   /   M   162.00%   /   DXPE   134.00%

Lucky for me, DXPE dropped the least of the 3 stocks in the experiment.  Most of the loss was caused by Macy's falling 33%, which accounts for 11% of the drop for the experiment.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #356 on: July 18, 2021, 09:41:01 AM »
The experiment has fallen back to where it was in the first week of March 2021.  The U.S. currently has the most cases in the world by far - more than the next 12 countries combined.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Benchmark (VTI)   73.00%      vs      Experiment   135.00%   
DIN   121.00%   /   M   154.00%   /   DXPE   129.00%

I haven't increased my holdings in these companies, but I've made some investments in other Covid sensitive stocks.  Like last year, at some point I expect a recovery.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #357 on: July 21, 2021, 09:58:23 AM »
It looks like the rapid drops of last week have almost been reversed by the gains from this week (so far).  The experiment is up +63% against it's S&P 500 benchmark since it started.

Benchmark (VTI)   75.00%      vs      Experiment   138.00%   
DIN   117.00%   /   M   162.00%   /   DXPE   136.00%

I'm surprised the last 30% of Americans don't want to get vaccinated.  I expected the reluctance to kick in closer to 10% - the people who were against vaccines before the pandemic started.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #358 on: July 21, 2021, 11:35:06 AM »
I'm surprised the last 30% of Americans don't want to get vaccinated.  I expected the reluctance to kick in closer to 10% - the people who were against vaccines before the pandemic started.

Well we certainly can't hold the spreaders of misinformation accountable, or the platforms that profit from the spread of misinformation. That would violate their constitutional right to spread misinformation during a pandemic, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #359 on: July 28, 2021, 10:56:42 AM »
I'm surprised the last 30% of Americans don't want to get vaccinated.
Well we certainly can't hold the spreaders of misinformation accountable, or the platforms that profit from the spread of misinformation. That would violate their constitutional right to spread misinformation during a pandemic, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Yeah, if you are 100% responsible for one death, it's murder.  But if you cause large numbers of people to take on a 5-10% chance of death, it's not a problem.. hmm!

In the meantime, we're in the reopening part 2, with the experiment dropping to +56% ahead of the market.  But it might not make sense to invest in these companies.  Take DXPE, which maybe goes up +12% from here.  It might go up from $32.15 to $36, a gain of $3.85.  But the experiment bought DXPE for $13.78/sh, which makes that same $3.85 into a +28% gain.  A lower starting price means higher percentage gain relative to the starting price.

Benchmark (VTI)   76.00%      vs      Experiment   132.00%   
DIN   109.00%   /   M   153.00%   /   DXPE   133.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #360 on: July 29, 2021, 08:21:59 AM »
Here’s an interesting quantification of how many COVID cases were undercounted. These researchers came up with 60% as the number. This estimate is much lower than the 5X numbers I was thinking.

https://apple.news/A1dkRr6whTa-LE5RXhqhtIg

This news means we are much farther than I thought from herd immunity, particularly in low vaccination states. If, as the authors said, only 20% of Americans had been infected as of spring 2021, and only 50% vaccinated, then the percentage of people with zero immunity is around 40%. In states with <40% vaccination like mine, that number would be >50%.

With full reopening appearing to be a permanent thing and laws prohibiting masks in schools in several states, we can expect a big spike in August-September this year. I think I’ll dial back my leverage in some accounts from 300% to 100% as I await this opportunity. I’m also reconsidering a bull spread on TLT, because the inflation narrative is about to hit the dustbin of financial news history.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #361 on: July 29, 2021, 08:55:23 AM »
The stock market reflects the business side of things - production and consumption.  I think the reopening of the economy is mostly about consumption.  So when you worry about states with lower vaccination rates, how much consumption is impacted?

Take the 5th worst state by vaccination rate, Alabama at 42%.  Wikipedia's page for Alabama only has their GDP from 2008, at $170 billion.  California is listed as having a GDP almost 20x higher, making California much more significant to the stock market.  California has an above average vaccination rate.  I think it's important to view the economic impact.

There's also something that isn't clear from a single stat.  It's young people, who have less risk of death, who are least willing to get vaccinated.  Alabama may average 42%, but those age 65+ are 73% fully vaccinated.  Add in 65+ people with one dose, and the elderly have almost double the vaccination rate of the state average.  The people most at risk are getting vaccinated at high rates, even in state where the average is low.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #362 on: August 07, 2021, 07:58:58 AM »
Up +64% against it's benchmark, on the slow road to recovery.

Benchmark (VTI)   78.00%      vs      Experiment   142.00%   
DIN   110.00%   /   M   179.00%   /   DXPE   137.00%

I've read that the Delta variant of Sars-cov-2 can by spread by people who are fully vaccinated.  There might be no herd immunity, since if 80% are fully vaccinated, they could still pass along the Delta variant to the other 20%.  So it sounds like the road to recovery will be even longer than I expected.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #363 on: August 09, 2021, 07:38:37 AM »
Anecdotal reports suggest the delta variant changes the narrative about kids not being affected. In hard-hit, low-vaccinated Arkansas, reports are emerging that 19% of hospitalizations are now among those under age 18.

https://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2021/08/03/secretary-of-health-nearly-19-percent-of-active-covid-19-cases-in-arkansas-are-in-children/

For reference, census.gov reports that 23.2% of the entire population of AR is under-18. So the hospitalization rate is tracking closely to the overall population there.

Overall I agree that a lot of low vaccination states have low economic relevance (TX and FL excluded) but I wonder if the delta variant has turned into something that will persuade highly vaccinated, economically relevant states to close schools or impose restrictions on dining.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #364 on: August 10, 2021, 08:51:14 AM »
If the Covid sensitive stocks in the experiment are an indication, things are slowly improving as the experiment reaches +67% ahead of the U.S. stock market.

Benchmark (VTI)   78.00%      vs      Experiment   145.00%   
DIN   105.00%   /   M   193.00%   /   DXPE   135.00%

Children go to school because they have to - they don't have a say in the matter.  And it would be easy to mandate children lockdown, leaving the (voting) adults free of lockdowns.  That seems more likely than a general lockdown - especially for people who have reached the President's 70% target.  It looks like there is a road to recovery, provided there aren't more surprises from Sars-cov-2.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #365 on: August 14, 2021, 10:58:44 AM »
DXPE's recent drop brings the experiment 7% lower by itself (21% loss / 3 stocks).  Not a good time for the experiment, as legitimate fears of Delta variant continue.  The experiment is just +57% ahead of the total stock market.

Benchmark (VTI)   79.00%      vs      Experiment   136.00%   
DIN   109.00%   /   M   184.00%   /   DXPE   114.00%

I had some Jan 2023 Macy's calls that were not related to the experiment - I just planned to get leveraged returns next year.  But I figure Macy's at $19.50/sh is probably good enough, and sold them.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #366 on: August 25, 2021, 08:19:36 AM »
Wow, a week and a half since last update, but the experiment is up significantly thanks to Macy's, beating it's benchmark by 81%.

Benchmark (VTI)   80.00%      vs      Experiment   161.00%   
DIN   111.00%   /   M   249.00%   /   DXPE   123.00%

Macy's is at $23/sh now, which I don't expect to last.  In the experiment, Macy's is now 3.5x it's original investment, which means losses have 3.5x the impact.  The original investment might be $100, but it's now $350.  The experiment measures performance relative to the $100 starting amount, while the market measures performance from yesterday's closing price.  That's how a $3.50 drop can be 1% drop for the market, and 3.5% relative to the $100 starting investment.

I still hold DXPE stock, so the experiment continues.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #367 on: August 29, 2021, 09:32:44 AM »
If you look at Macy's YTD chart, you'll see a sharp spike on Mar 15 2021, where it hit $20.76.  And now Macy's stock price has spiked again, ending last week at $23/share.  There's an article about Macy's adapting Amazon's approach to online sales, which might be fueling the price jump.  If Macy's captures market share, maybe that price is justified.  But I bought Macy's for the recovery, so I've sold it.

Benchmark (VTI)   81.00%      vs      Experiment   165.00%   
DIN   125.00%   /   M   245.00%   /   DXPE   126.00%

Macy's dropped slightly, but DIN and DXPE both rose, leaving the experiment +84% ahead of it's benchmark.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #368 on: September 05, 2021, 07:20:34 AM »
Employment numbers are reflecting the impact of the Delta variant (of Covid-19). 

While the benchmark gained +1% since my last update, all of the individual stocks have dropped.  DIN -5%, M -19%, DXPE -15%.  The experiment falls back to +70% ahead of the overall U.S. stock market (represented by VTI).

Benchmark (VTI)   82.00%      vs      Experiment   152.00%   
DIN   120.00%   /   M   226.00%   /   DXPE   111.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #369 on: September 07, 2021, 07:53:16 AM »
Depending how the Delta variant goes this winter, it might become a completely new experiment.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #370 on: September 22, 2021, 09:46:54 AM »
Depending how the Delta variant goes this winter, it might become a completely new experiment.
Once I sell my DXPE shares, I will end the experiment.

Speaking of which, DXPE's performance is exactly +100% according to my spreadsheet.  So I double checked, and it's true: when the experiment started last year, DXPE was at $13.78 ... and is now at $27.56!  So the spreadsheet is correct, even though it's strange to see an exact +100% there.

Benchmark (VTI)   77.00%      vs      Experiment   154.00%   
DIN   122.00%   /   M   239.00%   /   DXPE   100.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #371 on: September 26, 2021, 07:52:55 AM »
Experiment up +12% since last update, versus +2% for benchmark.  Overall, the experiment is +87% ahead of it's benchmark.

Benchmark (VTI)   79.00%      vs      Experiment   166.00%   
DIN   132.00%   /   M   256.00%   /   DXPE   111.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #372 on: September 28, 2021, 08:35:22 AM »
Earlier today the experiment was ahead +100%, but I didn't post quickly enough, and it's now up +97% against the market.

Benchmark (VTI)   76.00%      vs      Experiment   173.00%   
DIN   133.00%   /   M   271.00%   /   DXPE   115.00%

I sold off a lot of my call options yesterday, especially oil stocks.  I sold all of my XOP calls, and those OXY calls which expire in 4 months.  It might not be the exact peak, but I've multiplied that money quite well, and don't need to risk what happens close to expiration.

I've also been trying to sell some of my losing calls, like IVR.  IVR has diluted their stock from 165M during March 2020 to 290M shares now, which limits their recovery (not that they've recovered any).  So rather than just sell winners, I think I need to slowly recognize my losing calls and sell those off as well.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #373 on: October 02, 2021, 09:45:46 AM »
DXPE closed Friday at $30.76, leaving it 17% away from a previous market cap (at $36/share), or maybe $38/sh.  In that range, I'd sell DXPE and end the experiment. (But that same metric would not predict Macy's at $23/sh).

Benchmark (VTI)   75.00%      vs      Experiment   167.00%   
DIN   134.00%   /   M   244.00%   /   DXPE   123.00%

The experiment is +92% ahead.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #374 on: October 08, 2021, 09:29:46 AM »
While the experiment fell 4% against it's benchmark, I'm personally focused on how DXPE keeps climbing upwards, closer to it's recovery price.

Benchmark (VTI)   77.00%      vs      Experiment   165.00%   
DIN   128.00%   /   M   240.00%   /   DXPE   127.00%

After the selling I've done recently of call options in oil stocks, I'm finally half index investments, one quarter cash, and one quarter Covid investments like the experiment (I still hold DXPE shares).  It's reassuring returning to indexing.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #375 on: October 08, 2021, 06:11:31 PM »
Well done, @MustacheAndaHalf!

I've got to hand it to you - Macy's was the pick in your experiment that I gut level detested because I just lifelong have never liked the store. But it did very well, and the overall examples were quite well chosen.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #376 on: October 09, 2021, 01:41:32 AM »
Well done, @MustacheAndaHalf!

I've got to hand it to you - Macy's was the pick in your experiment that I gut level detested because I just lifelong have never liked the store. But it did very well, and the overall examples were quite well chosen.
I think a big majority of Wall Street analysts are men, so back then I did wonder if they'd overlook a company mostly selling items for women.

Last year I created a spreadsheet of almost 200 stocks by hand.  I wanted to pick stocks from different areas, and Macy's was one of the retail picks.  Their 0.29 price/book and 1.2 debt/equity factored in more heavily than my view of their stores.  If Macy's had much worse numbers, I'd have ignored them.

Your praise also made me curious what my best investment was since March 2020.  Last summer, when Callon Petroleum (CPE) had fallen to about $6/share, I bought call options with a $3 strike ("deep in the money").  I sold them when the stock was $56/share for a profit of +1140%.

"The one that got away" was Microvision (MVIS), which sounds great when I mention gaining +730%.  Right now the stock is up 50x from my $0.22 purchase price, so I missed out on another +4200% gain.  Too bad I was investing for the recovery!  (A reddit forum figured out an MVIS secret: they were essential to one of Microsoft's major defense contracts, but must have had an NDA, since they avoided mentioning Microsoft.  But someone saw a pattern in the patents filed by Microsoft and Microvision, and figured it out)

One of the most amazing investments was a loss of 40%.  I owned shares in a small oil company, and they declared bankruptcy.  I was about to lose that entire investment, or at least the -80% it had fallen.  Then something very, very strange happened.  Apparently new investors thought the stock looked cheap, and began buying.  They pushed the price back up to 60% of the original, and I decided that was the peak, and sold for a 40% loss.

Back to Macy's, my best profit was on Macy's $8 strike call options, back when Macy's was $7/share.  I sold those for a +480% profit - and in this case, that was also my largest Macy's holding.

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My "recovery" tracking for DXPE looks a bit biased.  Two out of three 2019 dates I used are local peaks (I used the same dates for all stocks).  If I take the highest and lowest prices of 2019, and discount by stock dilution, I get $33.24/share.  I probably should have sold this past summer, when it hit $34/sh repeatedly.

So I expect to sell DXPE when it makes it's next move upwards, and then end the experiment.  Currently M/DIN/DXPE are beating the U.S. stock market by +89% since the start of the experiment near the end of March, 2020.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #377 on: October 09, 2021, 06:52:56 AM »
Meaty post. Thanks, congrats.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #378 on: October 09, 2021, 07:30:07 AM »
Congrats on CPE. That's impressive. Those small caps in the Permian have been doing fantastic lately. An 1140% gain is insane, especially over that short time frame.

What was the other small oil company?

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #379 on: October 09, 2021, 09:06:10 AM »
A correction: I only had about 100 stocks in my spreadsheet.  The second half of my spreadsheet was a copy generated by sorting (by performance, to see which had been beaten up the worst).  Some stocks like DIN recovered quickly, and I needed another stock in the same area.  Those replacement picks didn't make it into the spreadsheet.


Congrats on CPE. That's impressive. Those small caps in the Permian have been doing fantastic lately. An 1140% gain is insane, especially over that short time frame.

What was the other small oil company?
There were actually 3 small oil companies, with only CPE avoiding bankruptcy.  The other two were Valaris and Oasos Petroleum (where I escaped with a 40% loss).

Yahoo Finance's graph of OAS is misleading.  They show the stock closing at $0.11 on Nov 19, and closing at $29.32/share the next day.  It didn't happen - new shares were issued, and bondholders received it all.  Nov 20 was the day new shares traded on the market, replacing the old shares.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/OAS?p=OAS

The most surprising investment news for me was reading about Warren Buffet selling his airline holdings.  And the added irony was him saying things like "never bet against America" while he sold U.S. companies and stayed in cash - he was a net seller.  Not what I was expecting from the man famous for the phrase "be greedy when others are fearful, and fearful when others are greedy".

I think it worked because my thesis was incredibly simple: "stocks recover".  Hard to argue with that.  And if I buy two stocks at -67% discounts, I can afford one going bankrupt and one tripling in a recovery (3x / 2 = 1.5 = +50% profit divided over the two investments).

Moral hazard would be companies ignoring the risks of bankruptcy, because they expect to be bailed out.  I reasoned a bailout was very likely in an election year (2020) where a significant chunk of the economy might go under.  Would Congress have allowed all airlines, retail stores and restaurants to collapse?

I predicted vaccines wouldn't arrive in time, like past outbreaks.  But this was a worldwide pandemic, and valuable enough to test messenger RNA vaccines (Pfizer/BNT, Moderna).  Early November, when Pfizer's vaccine was ready, my stocks and calls went insane.  I saw double digit gains of +40% ... but then Carnival Cruises (CCL) call options soared +110%, and took the prize for that day.  I doubt I'll ever see news have that kind of impact on my investments again.

Part of the reason I don't expect those gains again is that I'm switching back to indexing, which is half my portfolio now.  I invested for a recovery, and as that recovery arrives, I'm selling beaten up stocks and buying index ETFs.  But I guess I have a higher risk tolerance now - I hold call options on SPY and EFA.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #380 on: October 17, 2021, 09:15:06 AM »
Macy's is up significantly since my Oct 8 post, with DXPE up a bit.  Overall +91% ahead of the Total Stock Market since the experiment started over 1.5 years ago.

Benchmark (VTI)   79.00%      vs      Experiment   170.00%   
DIN   116.00%   /   M   261.00%   /   DXPE   134.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #381 on: October 19, 2021, 10:00:46 AM »
If anyone gets bored watching Bitcoin, Macy's went up +17% yesterday.  My first guess was a short squeeze, which happened earlier this year.  But apparently Sacs Fifth Avenue planned to spin off it's e-commerce business for $6 billion... which made Macy's e-commerce look undervalued, pushing Macy's skyward.  Macy's has dropped almost 5% so far today, but it is still up 3x since the experiment started.  Above $25/sh would be a good time to sell, but I've already sold all of my Macy's callls.

Benchmark (VTI)   81.00%      vs      Experiment   189.00%   
DIN   128.00%   /   M   304.00%   /   DXPE   136.00%

The experiment is up +108% mostly thanks to Macy's.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #382 on: October 23, 2021, 08:24:03 AM »
The experiment ends the week +104% ahead of the stock market, measuring since the experiment began 1.5 years ago.  DXPE is hovering just under the point where I'd like to sell it.

Months ago I sold Macy's when it went into the $20-$22 range, which was likely some form of short squeeze.  But over the past 1.5 years, Macy's has built up online business, which stock analysts felt was undervalued.  So now Macy's is $26.59 per share, which I could never have imagined before I sold my call options.

Benchmark (VTI)   82.00%      vs      Experiment   186.00%   
DIN   122.00%   /   M   299.00%   /   DXPE   137.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #383 on: October 29, 2021, 01:19:23 PM »
The experiment is +102% ahead of the stock market, with DXPE below $33/share.  I plan on ending the experiment when DXPE reaches the $34-$36/sh range, so not yet.

Benchmark (VTI)   84.00%      vs      Experiment   186.00%   
DIN   126.00%   /   M   294.00%   /   DXPE   139.00%

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #384 on: November 05, 2021, 08:04:22 AM »
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THE EXPERIMENT IS OVER!!
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Benchmark (VTI)   89.00%      vs      Experiment   228.00%   
DIN   156.00%   /   M   368.00%   /   DXPE   160.00%

Today DXPE surged to $35.85, where I sold my shares.  Today's big news is that Pfizer has an 89% successful treatment for Covid-19.  I think that sent a lot of Covid sensitive stocks higher, including the 3 stocks in this experiment.

My stock picks beat Vanguard Total Stock market by +139%.  Like the experiment, I've also been unloading my calls and stocks at ridiculous prices.  Here's the starting and ending values for the experiment and it's benchmark:

DIN  $37.05 --> $95.00 which is 2.564, less the starting 1:  +156.4%
M  $6.66 --> $31.16 which gives 4.678, less the starting 1: +367.8%
DXPE  $13.78 --> $35.85 , divided is 2.602, less starting 1: +160.2%

VTI  $128.60 --> $243.11, divided is 1.890, less starting 1: +89%

The stock market went up +89%, but my experiment went up +228%.  And I seem to be lucky - I invested much more in Macy's than the other two.

It's also nice to end the experiment on an upbeat note like a very strong treatment for Covid-19 by Pfizer.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #385 on: November 05, 2021, 01:13:12 PM »
Congrats. And thanks for posting the whole thing!

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #386 on: November 07, 2021, 06:27:33 PM »
I have really enjoyed following the experiment. Congrats on the HUGE returns!

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #387 on: November 17, 2021, 07:52:23 AM »
Glad you liked it.  I REALLY liked it, although frankly I was stunned watching these recoveries take place.  I spent most of 2020 waiting for the market to admit it was wrong about the prices of stocks I picked.

People can look back earlier in this thread to see when I picked DIN, M, and DXPE stocks.  You can visit morningstar to see their performance:
https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnys/m/trailing-returns
https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnas/dxpe/trailing-returns
https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnys/din/trailing-returns

Macy's is +304% in 12 months, while Dine Brands is up just 29% in that time.  I actually sold DINE last year.  The 1yr and 3yr don't tell the whole story.  Look at the 5 year chart of M stock, and you can see Macy's drop below $5/share:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/M/

I strived to never edit a post with data, so those posts could serve as a record.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #388 on: November 17, 2021, 08:07:11 AM »
One thing that didn't happen: bankruptcies in my picks.  In my actual portfolio, I picked 3 small oil stocks, and 2 of them went bankrupt.  Even there, I did really well, including losing just -60% in one 100% bankruptcy.  But that didn't matter, because CPE was the 3rd stock that survived.  Days ago it had +900% performance over 12 months, but now it shows "only" +780% in that time:
https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnys/cpe/trailing-returns

I recently read a Motley Fool article that warned your biggest failure isn't even the stocks that lose 90%.  Their example starts with $10,000 and you lose $9,000.  But that same $10,000 might go up 3x, and you sell at $30,000.  If that stock triples again, that's missing out on $60,000.  That rang true for me, last year.

I bought micro-cap stock MicroVision (MVIS) for $0.194/share.  I sold it for 7.34x as much!  Unfortunately, MVIS is currently 46x my purchase price.  Oops.  I guess it's better to have won +634% than to have never won at all, but it's maybe a lesson to wait and see how the rumors turn out.

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #389 on: November 17, 2021, 09:45:32 AM »
I recently read a Motley Fool article that warned your biggest failure isn't even the stocks that lose 90%.  Their example starts with $10,000 and you lose $9,000.  But that same $10,000 might go up 3x, and you sell at $30,000.  If that stock triples again, that's missing out on $60,000.  That rang true for me, last year.

I think that sell discipline is the single hardest part of stock picking. Say you do some good research and actually find some undervalued micro-caps. So you buy them and they go up. Now what?

PS - Good job!

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #390 on: November 17, 2021, 12:49:44 PM »
Thanks M&1/2!

I had a great time following this through shutdowns, quarantines, work from home and transition back into the office.

Candidly, I bought $100 of each to follow along and this experiment has educated me on researching and analyzing individual companies. I really appreciate the candor and thoroughness.

Cheers!

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Re: An experiment
« Reply #391 on: November 19, 2021, 09:54:21 AM »
MetalCap - I wondered if anyone did anything in response to this Experiment, thanks for sharing that.  I hope that $300 tripled like the experiment!

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There's some back story that made this experiment possible.  I was a passive index investor for decades before 2020.  I believed markets react to new information, so it's useless for me to predict markets in advance.  There were some anomalies on certain days or times of year, but after discovery those went away.

Back in Feb 2020, I was following Covid-19 closely.  I noticed the number of cases in China seemed to follow a pattern, and I used that pattern to predict 10,000 cases days later.  Imagine my shock as a passive investor when the market reacted!  The media had breaking news, China hits 10,000 cases.  I had predicted the future days in advance, and for whatever reason, the media and investors hadn't caught on.

In March 2020, bad W.H.O. data lulled me into thinking the U.S. had zero new cases on the weekend of Mar 7-8.  But the Fed wasn't fooled, and it was so urgent they met 3 days early.  Interest rates to 0%, quantitative easing available - they signaled a red alert.  The market panicked on Mar 9, with me joining them in the selling.  According to infectious disease experts at the time, the situation was going to get much worse.  I wasn't panicking at what was known, I was selling to avoid what was going to happen next.

The next day, Mar 10, the market revealed it's obliviousness.  Overnight, some resolution in the oil price war made investors breathe easy, and markets went up 3 or 4%.  This was another sign of insanity to me - Covid-19 went from 1,000 to 5,000 cases in every country, no matter what they did.  And Covid-19 had a foothold in the U.S., and markets priced it as a 3-4% loss?

I sold about 1/8th of my equities (keeping 60% passive).  Being new to active investing, I put that money in long-term bonds and gold - both of which dropped.  Now I know cash is king in a crash.  I created a spreadsheet to predict Covid-19 cases, and watched hours of CNBC and Bloomberg to see what investors were thinking.  I pretty much had a part time job tracking Covid-19 and the markets.

The next week, I watched the New York Times confuse the market, claiming that U.S. Covid-19 testing was far behind.  But they wrote the article days earlier, from data compiled weeks earlier.  That same week, Deborah Birx of the White House Covid-19 Task Force warned people that cases would go up because testing was increasing exponentially.  Well, who was right?

I checked raw sources, and testing was increasing exponentially - with a much higher exponent than Covid-19 was spreading.  I was comparing exponentials, and the media hadn't even used exponentials yet.  ​I called the bottom Mar 19-20 (Th/Fri), and pushed to 100% equities.  On Monday, Mar 23, markets dropped 2% ... and bottomed out.  To be fair, Congress played a big role here as well (*).

That weekend I realized individual stocks were an even greater opportunity, but with risk.  Stocks that had fallen to 1/3rd of their prior values would triple if they recovered.  Even if half went bankrupt, there was a +50% return to be made.  I screened lots of stocks, trying to avoid the company with the worst debt in each category.  Once I finished buying, I revealed 3 of my picks and started this experiment.

(*) One follow up note on Congress' role - I felt it very likely they would act.  They could watch entire sectors (hotel, retail, restaurant, airlines) all go bankrupt and unemployment skyrocket... and then get voted out in ignominy, with no cushy lobbying or speaking fees.  Or... they could spend other people's money.  Career suicide, or something they do all the time...  I counted on the self-interest of Congress.