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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2025, 08:11:03 AM »
I'll embed my comments in red.  Friend's weddings that I've enjoyed the most were ones where a core group was involved with setup.  It really brought people together and let various factions that didn't know each other beforehand, to become introduced and build camaraderie.  A great way to cut costs and make sure you don't have strangers--- family or friends that segregate to one side of the church/venue or the other.  I'd also recommend a venue that's close to either you or your fiancé, rather than something in the middle, so that planning can be done locally to at least one of you.

I'll try to address everyone's messages here. I am greatly appreciative. This is the only site I have found on the Internet that provides good advice and people seem to be genuinely interested in helping.

That said I think myself and my fiance are in this situation that people that everyone hates. We come here asking advice about  how to reduce a budget and we are asked what we are willing to give up and the answer is almost nothing.

The number of guests is huge currently 330+, but we are triming down. I have trouble telling people they can't attend my wedding when I was a groomsmen in theirs etc. Also I have a large family. 64 on my mom's side and I will be kicked out of the family if everyone isn't invited. Additionally, we are Christian and our wedding will have some sort of gospel message to it at some point, and almost none of my friends are Christian and this might be one of the few times they will hear it. Some of you will hate me for this, but if you put yourself in my shoes, I think my friends will spend eternity separated from God if they don't accept Christ. What kind of friend would I didn't witness to them in some way at some point.

Finance is a photographer. She would be heartbroken if we skimmed there.

As others have said, she must know a friend that does photography, so perhaps they can take a few special photos you'll want framed.  I've heard the biggest time committment of a photograher is all the editing, so fiancé can take care of that herself and do some reminiscing.  Also, guests will taking tons of photos, so they can all be compiled online and made into an album afterward.

I love a band. I have been to many great weddings with a DJ or an iPod. I'll give up the band for a DJ if it saves a significant amount, but for a few dollars I'd have have a band or an iPod.

We had a live band-- one guy (music teacher) playing softly during dinner and a honky-tonk group that plays at local bars afterward.  Well worth it to us, but it depends on your wedding crowd. I think we might have paid $700-800.  10 years later, they still tell me it was the best wedding they played at--- got fed great food and everyone actually danced to their music.

Food... I'm happy to feed them pulled pork sandwiches on paper plates. She feels like people will be upset if they travel across the country, dress nice, pay for a hotel etc and get a paper plate dinner.

One of my friends had a wedding under a big tent, also with a huge gathering of family.  They served very nice breads, cheese, and fruits.  No plates necessary.  I thought it was elegantly simple.

She wants flowers, but is fine with DIYing them herself.

We threw an annual wildflower mix into our garden plot (1,200 sq ft) in preparation for the wedding.  Some friends came the morning of to pick and make table arrangements.  All vases came from the thrift store.

My cousin just had a wedding. They had a Jack and Jill. I didn't think it was tacky. I thought it was a lot like a stag party. Some people came that weren't invited to the wedding, because they couldn't invite everyone to the wedding. I think it was $20 and that got you food (potluck the family provided) and unlimited keg beer. Then there was a silent auction, a cash raffle and a few gun raffles. I'm frugal and didn't need anything so I showed up for support have a few extra dollars, had a meal and went home. I love my family and any excuse to hang out with them.

Our wedding was about 10k, but we ended up cost neutral.  All the tablecloths, utensils, plates, cookware, etc, got sold for the same price we paid for them, since they were purchased used anyway from others that had the same idea.  Plus whatever gift money we received.  As with everyone else here, rather than ask for wedding funds, just let people gift it to you.  I think that's generally the accepted method in any wedding I've known.

She is open to buying a dress second hand, but I can't help, because I can't see it. A dumb tradition in my opinion.

Definitely, yes to second hand.

She is find with a small cheap cake and cookies or muffins for guests. I'm fine with that or nothing.

This seems to contradict what you said earlier about your fiancé feeling ashamed to have a paper plate dinner, but maybe not.  Is your point that the food itself isn't important, as in it doesn't have to be a main meal, but it needs to presented well?  Or is this about grandiose wedding cake vs easier/cheaper alternatives?

The venue I think is a big one that I would like to capitalize on. Finance has picked five she wants to visit, but all are "Wedding Venues" most have required vendors. And most al already booked for this September. Fiance is in a panic that if we don't select a venue soon we will have to wait till next year to get married. Which sucks because we are long distance and she won't move to me till we are married.

How do I find a nice park in PA, NY, or CT to rent? What happens if random people are just walking through the wedding? If we rent it from the state do we get exclusive access?

We rented a venue at a local state park--- https://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/blog/weddings-and-special-events-at-claytor-lake   It had a gazebo for the ceremony on the water, with a building at the docks.  Total cost was about $1,000 for 2 full days, but not sure what it runs now.  We were able to set up Friday afternoon and do a rehearsal, then ceremony and reception Saturday, then clean up Sunday morning.  A number of boats stopped to watch the ceremony, which was actually pretty cool.
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Re: Planning a Mustachian Wedding
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2025, 08:17:18 AM »
You'd need a lot of food trucks to feed 300 people without significant delays.

Yes, I went to a friend's wedding with two food trucks.  It really sucked.  One had a mobile pizza oven and I can't remember the other, probably because we never got any food.  I think people waited up to 2 hours before getting something.  We opted to head straight for the dessert table instead.

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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2025, 03:53:06 PM »
You'd need a lot of food trucks to feed 300 people without significant delays.

Yes, I went to a friend's wedding with two food trucks.  It really sucked.  One had a mobile pizza oven and I can't remember the other, probably because we never got any food.  I think people waited up to 2 hours before getting something.  We opted to head straight for the dessert table instead.

Yeah, as someone who worked in catering, a food truck is a great option for late night snacks at a wedding, but an incredibly inefficient option for a large group of people who all expect to be fed a full meal around the same time.

I've catered some larger parties of over 100 people, and we had A LOT of pre-prepared side dishes, and multiple industrial grills running and manned by multiple people, plus a pig on a spit that we started hours before the event. A food truck just doesn't have that capacity.

300 people eating at the same time means an astronomical coordination of food delivery, even if it's self-serve. That's going to require a number of staff, which will make it $$$

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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2025, 06:04:44 PM »
I'll embed my comments in red.  Friend's weddings that I've enjoyed the most were ones where a core group was involved with setup.  It really brought people together and let various factions that didn't know each other beforehand, to become introduced and build camaraderie.  A great way to cut costs and make sure you don't have strangers--- family or friends that segregate to one side of the church/venue or the other.  I'd also recommend a venue that's close to either you or your fiancé, rather than something in the middle, so that planning can be done locally to at least one of you.

I'll try to address everyone's messages here. I am greatly appreciative. This is the only site I have found on the Internet that provides good advice and people seem to be genuinely interested in helping.

That said I think myself and my fiance are in this situation that people that everyone hates. We come here asking advice about  how to reduce a budget and we are asked what we are willing to give up and the answer is almost nothing.

The number of guests is huge currently 330+, but we are triming down. I have trouble telling people they can't attend my wedding when I was a groomsmen in theirs etc. Also I have a large family. 64 on my mom's side and I will be kicked out of the family if everyone isn't invited. Additionally, we are Christian and our wedding will have some sort of gospel message to it at some point, and almost none of my friends are Christian and this might be one of the few times they will hear it. Some of you will hate me for this, but if you put yourself in my shoes, I think my friends will spend eternity separated from God if they don't accept Christ. What kind of friend would I didn't witness to them in some way at some point.

Finance is a photographer. She would be heartbroken if we skimmed there.

As others have said, she must know a friend that does photography, so perhaps they can take a few special photos you'll want framed.  I've heard the biggest time committment of a photograher is all the editing, so fiancé can take care of that herself and do some reminiscing.  Also, guests will taking tons of photos, so they can all be compiled online and made into an album afterward.

I love a band. I have been to many great weddings with a DJ or an iPod. I'll give up the band for a DJ if it saves a significant amount, but for a few dollars I'd have have a band or an iPod.

We had a live band-- one guy (music teacher) playing softly during dinner and a honky-tonk group that plays at local bars afterward.  Well worth it to us, but it depends on your wedding crowd. I think we might have paid $700-800.  10 years later, they still tell me it was the best wedding they played at--- got fed great food and everyone actually danced to their music.

Food... I'm happy to feed them pulled pork sandwiches on paper plates. She feels like people will be upset if they travel across the country, dress nice, pay for a hotel etc and get a paper plate dinner.

One of my friends had a wedding under a big tent, also with a huge gathering of family.  They served very nice breads, cheese, and fruits.  No plates necessary.  I thought it was elegantly simple.

She wants flowers, but is fine with DIYing them herself.

We threw an annual wildflower mix into our garden plot (1,200 sq ft) in preparation for the wedding.  Some friends came the morning of to pick and make table arrangements.  All vases came from the thrift store.

My cousin just had a wedding. They had a Jack and Jill. I didn't think it was tacky. I thought it was a lot like a stag party. Some people came that weren't invited to the wedding, because they couldn't invite everyone to the wedding. I think it was $20 and that got you food (potluck the family provided) and unlimited keg beer. Then there was a silent auction, a cash raffle and a few gun raffles. I'm frugal and didn't need anything so I showed up for support have a few extra dollars, had a meal and went home. I love my family and any excuse to hang out with them.

Our wedding was about 10k, but we ended up cost neutral.  All the tablecloths, utensils, plates, cookware, etc, got sold for the same price we paid for them, since they were purchased used anyway from others that had the same idea.  Plus whatever gift money we received.  As with everyone else here, rather than ask for wedding funds, just let people gift it to you.  I think that's generally the accepted method in any wedding I've known.

She is open to buying a dress second hand, but I can't help, because I can't see it. A dumb tradition in my opinion.

Definitely, yes to second hand.

She is find with a small cheap cake and cookies or muffins for guests. I'm fine with that or nothing.

This seems to contradict what you said earlier about your fiancé feeling ashamed to have a paper plate dinner, but maybe not.  Is your point that the food itself isn't important, as in it doesn't have to be a main meal, but it needs to presented well?  Or is this about grandiose wedding cake vs easier/cheaper alternatives?

The venue I think is a big one that I would like to capitalize on. Finance has picked five she wants to visit, but all are "Wedding Venues" most have required vendors. And most al already booked for this September. Fiance is in a panic that if we don't select a venue soon we will have to wait till next year to get married. Which sucks because we are long distance and she won't move to me till we are married.

How do I find a nice park in PA, NY, or CT to rent? What happens if random people are just walking through the wedding? If we rent it from the state do we get exclusive access?

We rented a venue at a local state park--- https://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/blog/weddings-and-special-events-at-claytor-lake   It had a gazebo for the ceremony on the water, with a building at the docks.  Total cost was about $1,000 for 2 full days, but not sure what it runs now.  We were able to set up Friday afternoon and do a rehearsal, then ceremony and reception Saturday, then clean up Sunday morning.  A number of boats stopped to watch the ceremony, which was actually pretty cool.
Great post! Just want to comment that it's actually cheaper to buy vases on Amazon. I volunteer at a Thrift Shop and we never seem to get enough vases to do something like this. The ones we get are typically spendy, like Waterford, or junky, but they still cost 1-2 bucks.

I bought a set for an event, plus Embok bought the same ones for her daughter's wedding, and gave me the leftovers. They were sturdy, diverse, and less than a buck apiece. I've used them twice since then for other events, so they've easily paid for themselves.

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« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2025, 12:04:29 PM »
For plain cylinder vases, Dollar Tree is even cheaper then Amazon and you can order them in cases of 12.

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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2025, 06:20:49 PM »
For plain cylinder vases, Dollar Tree is even cheaper then Amazon and you can order them in cases of 12.
I got 42 of these for 39.99 last April. They're slightly more expensive now, but they still beat DT. The service at DT in my area sucks, so I wouldn't count on them to get the order right. Of course, if you don't like Bezos...DT gives you another option.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LB1XW5?ref_=ppx_hzod_title_dt_b_fed_asin_title_0_0&th=1

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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2025, 11:14:54 PM »
For plain cylinder vases, Dollar Tree is even cheaper then Amazon and you can order them in cases of 12.
I got 42 of these for 39.99 last April. They're slightly more expensive now, but they still beat DT. The service at DT in my area sucks, so I wouldn't count on them to get the order right. Of course, if you don't like Bezos...DT gives you another option.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LB1XW5?ref_=ppx_hzod_title_dt_b_fed_asin_title_0_0&th=1

I haven't been keeping track of how it's going, but someone on my BN group recently put out an ask for a bunch of mix-and-match clear glass vases for a baby shower or some such.

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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2025, 08:11:27 AM »
Those are cheaper, Dicey, and perfect for small flowers, but they're not plain cylinders. That's what I was looking at, because my DD wants to fill them with water and decorative doodads and a floating candle.

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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2025, 09:16:59 AM »
Those are cheaper, Dicey, and perfect for small flowers, but they're not plain cylinders. That's what I was looking at, because my DD wants to fill them with water and decorative doodads and a floating candle.
Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about vases for wedding flowers.

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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2025, 01:09:46 PM »
You're right, we were. I got distracted by the specific type of vase I was looking at. Sorry, everyone.

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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2025, 06:05:11 PM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2025, 11:28:18 AM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

that's because it *is* bonkers.  We had a justice of the peace do it with our cat as a witness and have never regretted it.

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« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2025, 02:31:10 PM »
I would like to know how your cousin planned a wedding similar to yours that was only $20 a head. It appears to me that you could take some advice from your cousin.

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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2025, 05:43:26 PM »
I would like to know how your cousin planned a wedding similar to yours that was only $20 a head. It appears to me that you could take some advice from your cousin.

It sounds like attendees paid $20/person.  I don't think that means all wedding costs got covered for that amount, it's not clear that's the wedding style OP or fiancé wants, and I don't think that was their point.  The wedding description was written out in response to criticism of how funds were acquired-- aka Jack+Jill.

My cousin just had a wedding. They had a Jack and Jill. I didn't think it was tacky. I thought it was a lot like a stag party. Some people came that weren't invited to the wedding, because they couldn't invite everyone to the wedding. I think it was $20 and that got you food (potluck the family provided) and unlimited keg beer. Then there was a silent auction, a cash raffle and a few gun raffles. I'm frugal and didn't need anything so I showed up for support have a few extra dollars, had a meal and went home. I love my family and any excuse to hang out with them.

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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2025, 05:49:20 PM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

that's because it *is* bonkers.  We had a justice of the peace do it with our cat as a witness and have never regretted it.
I have a family friend who did a 30-person service at a cabin and that felt so much more up my ally. A lot of the food was potluck style and there was no open bar. I have way more memories about the actual wedding and not nearly as many about the buffet style food.

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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2025, 05:35:18 AM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

My SIL's parents just mortgaged one of their properties to spend 6 figures on her wedding.

It was a nice enough wedding, nothing extraordinary or terribly glamourous. It definitely wasn't executed as well as similarly priced formal events I've attended in the exact same ballroom space.

And that's really what gets me about expensive weddings. They're usually organized by couples who have no experience planning large, formal events. So even if they hire an event planner, a lot of the executive decisions they make are insanely budget inefficient for creating the kind of atmosphere and ambiance they want.

Most really expensive weddings I go to very clearly show the amateur-hour event-planning skills of the couple hosting.

As someone who has attended a lot of formal events/galas, the net effect of most people spending a fortune on a wedding is not the seamless, high class, glamourous experience they're envisioning. It's usually unbalanced, has some poorly planned and poorly executed elements, some awkwardness, and a lot of the details can come off as really tacky.

I know what my SIL's vision was when she ordered her flowers, but she had zero experience decorating a large ballroom, and her decisions produced an extremely expensive, but entirely underwhelming impact in the space.

While I entirely understand the feminine urge to throw a ball, it takes a lot more to pull it off than to have a pinterest board, hire a coordinator, and write massive cheques.

So yeah, even the folks who are spending a fortune are rarely getting value for the money they're willing to pay, much less go into debt for.

This is why formality is best left to the small scale for retail-level event planning. Large events should always be more casual, it's just too difficult to pull off large scale formality and get any value for what you have to spend.

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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2025, 08:04:42 AM »
Notice how the OP hasn't been back?

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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2025, 08:15:40 AM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

My SIL's parents just mortgaged one of their properties to spend 6 figures on her wedding.

It was a nice enough wedding, nothing extraordinary or terribly glamourous. It definitely wasn't executed as well as similarly priced formal events I've attended in the exact same ballroom space.

And that's really what gets me about expensive weddings. They're usually organized by couples who have no experience planning large, formal events. So even if they hire an event planner, a lot of the executive decisions they make are insanely budget inefficient for creating the kind of atmosphere and ambiance they want.

Most really expensive weddings I go to very clearly show the amateur-hour event-planning skills of the couple hosting.

As someone who has attended a lot of formal events/galas, the net effect of most people spending a fortune on a wedding is not the seamless, high class, glamourous experience they're envisioning. It's usually unbalanced, has some poorly planned and poorly executed elements, some awkwardness, and a lot of the details can come off as really tacky.

I know what my SIL's vision was when she ordered her flowers, but she had zero experience decorating a large ballroom, and her decisions produced an extremely expensive, but entirely underwhelming impact in the space.

While I entirely understand the feminine urge to throw a ball, it takes a lot more to pull it off than to have a pinterest board, hire a coordinator, and write massive cheques.

So yeah, even the folks who are spending a fortune are rarely getting value for the money they're willing to pay, much less go into debt for.

This is why formality is best left to the small scale for retail-level event planning. Large events should always be more casual, it's just too difficult to pull off large scale formality and get any value for what you have to spend.
You hit it right on the head. 

Our wedding so many years ago probably turned out well because we were wedding guinea pigs for a winery looking to start having wedding events and had zero say in basically anything for the reception other than the color of the table clothes and our cake. The event coordinator of the winery was in charge. In fact, they had a separate cake which was better than ours for their own pictures. I was kind of disappointed we didn't use that one when I look at our cake pictures.  Gloriously easy on my part in retrospect. $25 per person including all the wine and sparkling wine for the reception in 1997.  No beer or hard liquor allowed because "winery". I didn't know how good I had it! We were limited to 125 guests, though.  It's now the Francis Ford Coppola Winery in Geyserville. I felt a lot like Cinderella at the wedding. My parents had the cleaning contract for the winery, so I'd scrubbed every toilet in that place as well as the floors many a time.  I'm sure they wrote off a bunch of expenses as business expenses looking back. I love going back to the winery for anniversaries and special events now that I'm financially more well off. 

Which reminds me, I need to reserve a 100th birthday party space for this summer....

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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2025, 09:32:51 AM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2025, 10:57:29 AM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?

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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2025, 02:32:15 PM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

My SIL's parents just mortgaged one of their properties to spend 6 figures on her wedding.

It was a nice enough wedding, nothing extraordinary or terribly glamourous. It definitely wasn't executed as well as similarly priced formal events I've attended in the exact same ballroom space.

And that's really what gets me about expensive weddings. They're usually organized by couples who have no experience planning large, formal events. So even if they hire an event planner, a lot of the executive decisions they make are insanely budget inefficient for creating the kind of atmosphere and ambiance they want.

Most really expensive weddings I go to very clearly show the amateur-hour event-planning skills of the couple hosting.

As someone who has attended a lot of formal events/galas, the net effect of most people spending a fortune on a wedding is not the seamless, high class, glamourous experience they're envisioning. It's usually unbalanced, has some poorly planned and poorly executed elements, some awkwardness, and a lot of the details can come off as really tacky.

I know what my SIL's vision was when she ordered her flowers, but she had zero experience decorating a large ballroom, and her decisions produced an extremely expensive, but entirely underwhelming impact in the space.

While I entirely understand the feminine urge to throw a ball, it takes a lot more to pull it off than to have a pinterest board, hire a coordinator, and write massive cheques.

So yeah, even the folks who are spending a fortune are rarely getting value for the money they're willing to pay, much less go into debt for.

This is why formality is best left to the small scale for retail-level event planning. Large events should always be more casual, it's just too difficult to pull off large scale formality and get any value for what you have to spend.

Ok, I have a quirky fascination with weddings and event planning and also a LOT of hot takes on the subject, as a middle aged lady, I guess. So this was such a cool post and I want to add to it.

People seem to often feel this need to have a very personalized wedding, which is where the oft-repeated phrase "I don't want a cookie-cutter wedding" comes in. Maybe this was more of a 2010's thing. So people would try to save money and also be unique by booking a very raw space and then having a million vendors. And they would wind up spending way more money as well has having way more headaches for less of a cohesive effect than if they just went with the cookie cutter.

When I was planning my own wedding I realized that the "cookie cutter" weddings where you just write a check to a hotel or country club and make three choices about the buffet menu were really the way to go, because it's a party and (mostly) nobody cares about individuality at a party, they just want good food and free booze. Using the decor that the hotel or country club already has is so much more budget-friendly than trying to source all that stuff yourself. And flowers! Good lord! Flowers as decor are bonkers expensive! Bouquets for bridal party, ok, fair enough, but stop there.

I LOVE a good party and I think the more the merrier, but either casual/informal like a church picnic, or do it at a wedding factory venue, I think.

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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2025, 02:35:47 PM »
I know a very not mustachian person who is getting married next summer, and this thread is the polar opposite. I am not married so maybe I just don't understand how sacred the event is, but taking out debt to fund your wedding seems bonkers to me.

My SIL's parents just mortgaged one of their properties to spend 6 figures on her wedding.

It was a nice enough wedding, nothing extraordinary or terribly glamourous. It definitely wasn't executed as well as similarly priced formal events I've attended in the exact same ballroom space.

And that's really what gets me about expensive weddings. They're usually organized by couples who have no experience planning large, formal events. So even if they hire an event planner, a lot of the executive decisions they make are insanely budget inefficient for creating the kind of atmosphere and ambiance they want.

Most really expensive weddings I go to very clearly show the amateur-hour event-planning skills of the couple hosting.

As someone who has attended a lot of formal events/galas, the net effect of most people spending a fortune on a wedding is not the seamless, high class, glamourous experience they're envisioning. It's usually unbalanced, has some poorly planned and poorly executed elements, some awkwardness, and a lot of the details can come off as really tacky.

I know what my SIL's vision was when she ordered her flowers, but she had zero experience decorating a large ballroom, and her decisions produced an extremely expensive, but entirely underwhelming impact in the space.

While I entirely understand the feminine urge to throw a ball, it takes a lot more to pull it off than to have a pinterest board, hire a coordinator, and write massive cheques.

So yeah, even the folks who are spending a fortune are rarely getting value for the money they're willing to pay, much less go into debt for.

This is why formality is best left to the small scale for retail-level event planning. Large events should always be more casual, it's just too difficult to pull off large scale formality and get any value for what you have to spend.
You hit it right on the head. 

Our wedding so many years ago probably turned out well because we were wedding guinea pigs for a winery looking to start having wedding events and had zero say in basically anything for the reception other than the color of the table clothes and our cake. The event coordinator of the winery was in charge. In fact, they had a separate cake which was better than ours for their own pictures. I was kind of disappointed we didn't use that one when I look at our cake pictures.  Gloriously easy on my part in retrospect. $25 per person including all the wine and sparkling wine for the reception in 1997.  No beer or hard liquor allowed because "winery". I didn't know how good I had it! We were limited to 125 guests, though.  It's now the Francis Ford Coppola Winery in Geyserville. I felt a lot like Cinderella at the wedding. My parents had the cleaning contract for the winery, so I'd scrubbed every toilet in that place as well as the floors many a time.  I'm sure they wrote off a bunch of expenses as business expenses looking back. I love going back to the winery for anniversaries and special events now that I'm financially more well off. 

Which reminds me, I need to reserve a 100th birthday party space for this summer....

Holy crap, that sounds amazing.

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« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2025, 03:11:15 PM »
Some of you will hate me for this, but if you put yourself in my shoes, I think my friends will spend eternity separated from God if they don't accept Christ. What kind of friend would I didn't witness to them in some way at some point.

Extremely tacky.

Wow. If I were one of your non-Christian friends I would be extremely offended if I found out that I was invited as an attempt to convert me. Not to say that you should strip the religion part from your wedding (that wouldn't be fair to you), but if that was your primary reason for including me in the guest list I'd just as soon not receive one.

I'll leave the cost savings options out, because you've gotten some really great advice already, and DH & I got married (alone) on the beach in Hawaii, so don't have much to add.

I would be incredibly offended as a non-Christian friend if you use this attempt to proselytize & "save" me. I would have no objection to you having a religious wedding, because it's your day & those are your beliefs. Anything beyond that goes well beyond tacky & forcing people who were intending to come & celebrate your wedding participate in an attempt at conversion is not appropriate.

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« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2025, 03:12:03 PM »
@Metalcat we ended up at 130 with 3 wedding crashes and 2 children we didn’t need to include in our headcount (flower girl and ring bearer). We didn’t have assigned seating, but probably should have made that effort. Herb crusted rib eye for dinner.  Chef told me it was a roast we were having. My image of roast and his image of roast were two entirely different things. Ha!

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« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2025, 03:13:47 PM »
Let me put it another way... If you showed up at the wedding of a friend & they practiced a different religion that is not something you personally believed in & they used the ceremony to try & convert you - how would you feel?

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« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2025, 03:16:52 PM »
Let me put it another way... If you showed up at the wedding of a friend & they practiced a different religion that is not something you personally believed in & they used the ceremony to try & convert you - how would you feel?

Agreed.  I’m even a (pretty low key) Christian, and I feel this is incredibly offensive. 

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« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2025, 04:58:17 PM »
Let me put it another way... If you showed up at the wedding of a friend & they practiced a different religion that is not something you personally believed in & they used the ceremony to try & convert you - how would you feel?

Agreed.  I’m even a (pretty low key) Christian, and I feel this is incredibly offensive.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is why OP isn't participating anymore and the rest of us are just yammering at each other about our wedding opinions

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« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2025, 05:03:17 PM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?
That is actually very believable. I know somebody who balled out on a wedding at 25 and was divorced by 28...

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« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2025, 05:56:43 PM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?
That is actually very believable. I know somebody who balled out on a wedding at 25 and was divorced by 28...

My ex spent 250K on his wedding, the marriage lasted 10 months.

They broke up over financial struggles. Lol

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« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2025, 06:19:00 PM »
Let me put it another way... If you showed up at the wedding of a friend & they practiced a different religion that is not something you personally believed in & they used the ceremony to try & convert you - how would you feel?

Agreed.  I’m even a (pretty low key) Christian, and I feel this is incredibly offensive.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is why OP isn't participating anymore and the rest of us are just yammering at each other about our wedding opinions

Yeah, but this is one of the reasons I love this forum.  Even though I have no need to consider wedding planning in any foreseeable future and even if the OP bugged out, I've found the above discussion of the difficulty in achieving cohesion in large events and the non-intuitive advantages of leveraging existing "cookie-cutter" venue decor fascinating and something I wouldn't have thought of.  So rock on, everyone. 

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« Reply #80 on: February 12, 2025, 06:25:54 PM »
Let me put it another way... If you showed up at the wedding of a friend & they practiced a different religion that is not something you personally believed in & they used the ceremony to try & convert you - how would you feel?

Agreed.  I’m even a (pretty low key) Christian, and I feel this is incredibly offensive.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is why OP isn't participating anymore and the rest of us are just yammering at each other about our wedding opinions

Yeah, but this is one of the reasons I love this forum.  Even though I have no need to consider wedding planning in any foreseeable future and even if the OP bugged out, I've found the above discussion of the difficulty in achieving cohesion in large events and the non-intuitive advantages of leveraging existing "cookie-cutter" venue decor fascinating and something I wouldn't have thought of.  So rock on, everyone.

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« Reply #81 on: February 12, 2025, 07:19:10 PM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?
That is actually very believable. I know somebody who balled out on a wedding at 25 and was divorced by 28...

My ex spent 250K on his wedding, the marriage lasted 10 months.

They broke up over financial struggles. Lol
How on God's green earth do you even spend 250k on a wedding??? I legitimately cannot comprehend that.

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« Reply #82 on: February 12, 2025, 07:21:18 PM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?
That is actually very believable. I know somebody who balled out on a wedding at 25 and was divorced by 28...

My ex spent 250K on his wedding, the marriage lasted 10 months.

They broke up over financial struggles. Lol
How on God's green earth do you even spend 250k on a wedding??? I legitimately cannot comprehend that.

You know the ubiquitous chocolate fountain?  Have one that pours molten gold instead for guests to dip into.

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« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2025, 07:31:05 PM »
How on God's green earth do you even spend 250k on a wedding??? I legitimately cannot comprehend that.

Consider if you really want to know the answer before you click this link. https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBudgetBrides/

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« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2025, 08:57:09 PM »
Taking out a mortgage against the house, or whatever was done, is just BONKERS to me. I get that it's a sacred day and all. I am fine with spending some money on it, but that is just pure insanity. Maybe, I am just being cheap or something

Bigger and more expensive weddings have been correlated to shorter marriages.  So, maybe you just want to stay with your spouse?
That is actually very believable. I know somebody who balled out on a wedding at 25 and was divorced by 28...

My ex spent 250K on his wedding, the marriage lasted 10 months.

They broke up over financial struggles. Lol
How on God's green earth do you even spend 250k on a wedding??? I legitimately cannot comprehend that.

It's shockingly easy with larger head counts and any degree of formality.

The moment you make an event formal, you ratchet up the per-head cost of the event. For a passable formal wedding, it costs about $500/head. For a properly formal wedding, it's closer to $1000.

Formality adds dollars for every single little detail to every single head added. And formality adds A LOT of details.

Anything less than $500/head that tries to be formal is going to be a cheap knockoff of formal. Which is FINE, a lot of folks are absolutely fine with a cheap knockoff of formal, I would say that this is the majority of "formal" weddings, and the majority of people love them. All good, but still eyewateringly expensive just for a facsimile of formality.

When you don't waste your budget on formality, you radically streamline the number of per-head expenses and the per-head expenses you do have, are much, much cheaper.

Think of the cost differential alone on 200 place settings, with upgraded linens, nice flatware/silverware/glassware, which all needs to be rented, set up, taken down and cleaned, flower arrangements, staff to serve food if plated, staff to make cocktails, clear glasses, chefs to cook and plate 200 individual plates, etc, etc, etc

Vs disposable dishes at a cookout, drinks from a giant ice tub. The differential on the staff and supplies to serve a few hundred people is fucking mind blowing when you try and add formality to it.

But that's because our society has a delusional habit of equating formality to specialness, which is just consumerist wealth worship. It's absolutely nonsense to equate the two and to feel like a wedding MUST be formal to be special.

Formality can be fun, and on a small scale, it's often an affordable luxury. But as a society we've gone way, way overboard in fetishizing formality.

As someone who has been part of the rich folks gala circuit, and who owns more ballgowns than I do jeans, it's really not that special, and even the people attending don't think it's that special.

In then ultra wealthy world, these events are about networking, not actually about the importance of the love of the couple getting married. My ex married a lunatic and his parents tried to talk him out of it.

They still paid a quarter million for his wedding (and this was 20 years ago), because it was an important event to demonstrate their connections and influence. They had Cirque du Soleil performers because the founder was a guest. They had food stations at the cocktail hour manned by famous chefs in the city.

When I've gone to galas, it's work, it's not really glamourous, it's just part of the job when your job is to be well connected.

For the people who can really afford this level of formal event, it rarely feels "special" to them, it's just part of the process of being in that world. These aren't "magical" evenings of feeling like a princess, it's usually stress/boredom/political maneuvering...it's work.

No one who needs to mortgage a property to throw a party should be aspiring to that as their standard for "special." Formal is not special just because it's formal.

Which is why SOOOOOOO many weddings are dull-ass boring as fuck. The thing that makes weddings fun is celebrating with loves ones, not the fact that a cater waiter who just snorted a line off the bartender's ass in the bathroom served you a plate of reheated chicken instead of uncle Joe manning the grill and handing you a burger.

Granted, maybe uncle Joe is also into snorting blow off of the bartender's ass, I don't know what people's family dynamics are like...but at least you're not paying a premium for it.

ETA: I *always* give a massive tip to the bar staff at the beginning of any open bar event with the statement of "because these assholes aren't going to tip you enough." Cater staff notoriously hate the guests they serve, which is one of my least favorite parts of formal events, being surrounded by staff who are just dreading the drunken bullshit to come. The seething underneath the treacly thick niceness is so awkward to me.

The tip trick is AMAZING for getting access to the verboten gossip that they're really not.supoosdd to share. I can't tell you how much valuable social capital I've gained from sucking up to cater staff at formal events. Un-fucking-real.

Frequently the best $100 I've ever spent.

So if you ever get sucked into a really formal open bar event and you want to make the evening a heck of lot more interesting, try a massive tip and a bit of shit talking. Works every time.
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« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2025, 09:27:55 PM »
Out of curiosity, @Metalcat: Could your SIL (or anyone else who doesn't belong to the ultra-wealthy set but is prepared to mortgage a property to pay for a wedding reception) have had a properly formal wedding by hiring the kind of person who organises the galas you've gone to? Or are there other obstacles? Maybe those people only take the ultra-wealthy as clients, maybe the galas actually cost a lot more then one property's value, maybe the bride would have to accept the organizer overruling her ideas about, say, flowers....

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« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2025, 04:51:06 AM »
Out of curiosity, @Metalcat: Could your SIL (or anyone else who doesn't belong to the ultra-wealthy set but is prepared to mortgage a property to pay for a wedding reception) have had a properly formal wedding by hiring the kind of person who organises the galas you've gone to? Or are there other obstacles? Maybe those people only take the ultra-wealthy as clients, maybe the galas actually cost a lot more then one property's value, maybe the bride would have to accept the organizer overruling her ideas about, say, flowers....

Oh yeah, of course. In their case, they would have had to spend more per head to get the impact they wanted, and the mother of the bride would had to have given up a lot of creative control, which would never happen.

They were really going got ultra formal. The dress code was "black tie preferred," which is kind of absurd. For anyone who doesn't know dress codes, that means male guests in tuxedos and female guests in floor length gowns.

They just did not have the budget to reasonably match that level of formality for that many people, nor the understanding of formality in a large event context to pull it off. Had they ratcheted down the formality a few degrees and given more control to an event planner, they wouldn't have had a problem.

And that's really where I see most weddings in attend kind of drop the ball. They're always trying to stretch their budgets to a level of formality they cannot afford and that's where the cracks show through. And that's the thing with formality, the effect only works if it's seamless, otherwise it feels like cosplay. Which again, fine, if you don't mind the cosplay feel, which many don't.

SIL and her mom were happy with it, and again that's great for them. I personally find it a waste of money, and a batshit insane thing to do, when IMO, it doesn't even manage to be impressive, but it made the bride's mother happy and it's her money.

The couple have a ton of financial stress though, so it's wild to see throwing a party that's more formal than you can actually pull off as a priority. Makes me shake my damn head, but it's not my money.


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« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2025, 09:04:53 AM »
SIL and her mom were happy with it, and again that's great for them. I personally find it a waste of money, and a batshit insane thing to do, when IMO, it doesn't even manage to be impressive, but it made the bride's mother happy and it's her money.

If the bride's mother liked it, maybe it did impress the other guests? Most people don't have your standard to compare to--a few college dances and maybe a fundraising dinner or two is the closest I've ever come to a black tie event.

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« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2025, 09:08:47 AM »
SIL and her mom were happy with it, and again that's great for them. I personally find it a waste of money, and a batshit insane thing to do, when IMO, it doesn't even manage to be impressive, but it made the bride's mother happy and it's her money.

If the bride's mother liked it, maybe it did impress the other guests? Most people don't have your standard to compare to--a few college dances and maybe a fundraising dinner or two is the closest I've ever come to a black tie event.

Depends on the guest. The whole reason for the insane over spend was because most of the bridesmaids are married to professional athletes and they were trying to keep up with them.

My brother makes 67K/yr, he is definitely not a pro athlete.

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« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2025, 09:25:41 AM »
There's another simple reason for the attempted formality - photos.

We live in CA, and I have seriously seen folks show up to a wedding in shorts, or jeans, or cargo pants. Guys in particular are awful about dressing nicely for a wedding.

By signaling that shorts are going to make you look like an idiot, they are getting guests who don't look too informal for the photos.

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« Reply #90 on: February 13, 2025, 10:30:39 AM »
It blows my mind that people would willingly spend that much money on one day. Like my wedding was expensive for me, and it was still only average cost. Half of that was the food and drink, and it added up because we wanted a sit down meal.

It's kinda funny that the day before we set up the hall and brought take out chicken from our favourite place and sides from Costco and managed to feed about a quarter of the headcount on literally 2% of the budget.

I don't regret throwing the party, but I definitely would have if I had still been paying it off years later. Has anyone watched marriage or mortgage? It's ridiculous to see people spend a downpayment on a wedding instead..

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« Reply #91 on: February 13, 2025, 12:53:50 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.

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« Reply #92 on: February 13, 2025, 01:04:12 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.

Tbf, that number is well above average. Average numbers are usually reported to be in the $30k range in the US. Even that number is inflated, because (a) averages are sensitive to very high outliers, and (b) the data comes from surveys put on by wedding websites, so it excludes anyone who does something so small and easy that they never consult such a site.

I don't regret a penny of my $16k wedding, but I do feel in retrospect that I was duped into thinking that it was "cheap" and "reasonable" compared to an "average" wedding that cost twice as much. It wasn't cheap; it was still a big, unnecessary, expensive party. That's okay. I'm happy with having thrown an unnecessary and expensive party (and that the cost isn't even a blip when tracking our shared NW).

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« Reply #93 on: February 13, 2025, 01:30:21 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.

Tbf, that number is well above average. Average numbers are usually reported to be in the $30k range in the US. Even that number is inflated, because (a) averages are sensitive to very high outliers, and (b) the data comes from surveys put on by wedding websites, so it excludes anyone who does something so small and easy that they never consult such a site.

I don't regret a penny of my $16k wedding, but I do feel in retrospect that I was duped into thinking that it was "cheap" and "reasonable" compared to an "average" wedding that cost twice as much. It wasn't cheap; it was still a big, unnecessary, expensive party. That's okay. I'm happy with having thrown an unnecessary and expensive party (and that the cost isn't even a blip when tracking our shared NW).

Most weddings also aren't 200-300 people, that's a huge factor in this conversation.

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« Reply #94 on: February 13, 2025, 02:02:59 PM »
Yeah, as I said on the last page, mine was 66 guests.

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« Reply #95 on: February 13, 2025, 02:21:47 PM »
Yeah, as I said on the last page, mine was 66 guests.

I just mean that the average spent on 200-300 guest weddings is likely much, much higher than the national.average spent on weddings, because massive weddings aren't average.

A very swanky 50 person wedding wouldn't even come close to the cost of a janky 300 person wedding. Head count is everything when it comes to wedding budgets.

My wedding had 6 guests, I could spend whatever I wanted and never come close to the national average for wedding costs (32K in Canada). I had 3 wedding dresses and rented out two whole high end restaurants, and I still didn't make it halfway to the average spend because I didn't have much of a headcount.

That's why OP's request on how to have a massive, formal Mustachian wedding is a bit of an oxymoron. Formality+headcount=$$$$$$$$$

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« Reply #96 on: February 13, 2025, 05:28:17 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.

Tbf, that number is well above average. Average numbers are usually reported to be in the $30k range in the US. Even that number is inflated, because (a) averages are sensitive to very high outliers, and (b) the data comes from surveys put on by wedding websites, so it excludes anyone who does something so small and easy that they never consult such a site.

I don't regret a penny of my $16k wedding, but I do feel in retrospect that I was duped into thinking that it was "cheap" and "reasonable" compared to an "average" wedding that cost twice as much. It wasn't cheap; it was still a big, unnecessary, expensive party. That's okay. I'm happy with having thrown an unnecessary and expensive party (and that the cost isn't even a blip when tracking our shared NW).
30k sounds more realistic for the average wedding. I know people who have done weddings in the 16k range, and it was a great time.

Are people being a little superficial when they need a big fancy wedding just because it's supposed to be this sacred? I guess the point that I am trying to make is that you can't just buy your way to a good wedding, because someone will always be unhappy and want more more more.

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« Reply #97 on: February 13, 2025, 05:34:37 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.
Ha! I didn't get married until I was 54. My husband was a fairly recent widower with two grown kids. We decided to elope and have never once regretted our decision. Um, that was twelve years ago and we're still loving life together.

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« Reply #98 on: February 13, 2025, 06:43:04 PM »
Maybe, I will get married one day and change my sentiment, but spending 100k on a wedding is bonkers to me. To each thier own, I guess.

Tbf, that number is well above average. Average numbers are usually reported to be in the $30k range in the US. Even that number is inflated, because (a) averages are sensitive to very high outliers, and (b) the data comes from surveys put on by wedding websites, so it excludes anyone who does something so small and easy that they never consult such a site.

I don't regret a penny of my $16k wedding, but I do feel in retrospect that I was duped into thinking that it was "cheap" and "reasonable" compared to an "average" wedding that cost twice as much. It wasn't cheap; it was still a big, unnecessary, expensive party. That's okay. I'm happy with having thrown an unnecessary and expensive party (and that the cost isn't even a blip when tracking our shared NW).
30k sounds more realistic for the average wedding. I know people who have done weddings in the 16k range, and it was a great time.

Are people being a little superficial when they need a big fancy wedding just because it's supposed to be this sacred? I guess the point that I am trying to make is that you can't just buy your way to a good wedding, because someone will always be unhappy and want more more more.

IME, people don't make.weddimgs big and formal because they're sacred, they make them big and formal because of consumerism and really effective wedding marketing.

Even just a few generations ago weddings weren't generally a massive, expensive party that tried to resemble a formal ball. That's really something that was popularized in the 80s. The vast majority of wedding "traditions" that people think they need to have, are generally very modern, coming out of the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

Take a look at weddings from the 50s, 60s, and 70s and you will.generally see smaller, less formal, intimate gatherings, with receptions frequently held in people's homes.

It wasn't unusual for a wedding meal to be lunch at your parents' house.

My mom and dad were both from wealthy families, and each of their first weddings in the 70s were very subtle, small, low key affairs. They never married each other, but my mom got married again in the late 80s and despite her and her new husband having very little money, they threw a big, formal wedding because it was the 80s, and Diana and Fergie had hugely popularized aristocratic-style formality for weddings.

The enormous popularity of the princesses essentially launched the new definition of formal style from that point forward. Wedding dresses, prom dresses, even academy award dresses all jumped up drastically in formality from the 80s onward, probably peaking around 2010 when a swing back towards simplicity started.

But it was with Diana and Fergie that being a bride culturally became synonymous with being a princess.

It has nothing to do with the event being sacred.

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« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2025, 06:48:09 PM »
Are people being a little superficial when they need a big fancy wedding just because it's supposed to be this sacred?

In my admittedly limited experience, the less religious weddings tend to be the more elaborate. My theory is that if the religious ceremony itself holds a lot of meaning, you don't need a flashy party to make the day feel important.

I hadn't thought of Diana as the spark of the wedding-industrial complex, but now that you say it it's obvious. I'm just young enough that I hadn't thought about weddings at all until after Diana's.

 

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