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Ron Scott

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Are you FI? What was your strategy?
« on: October 20, 2023, 04:06:34 AM »
I thought it would be interesting if those of you who have achieved REAL FI—have enough money to support your family in a lifestyle they enjoy with clearly no need to work ever again—would share your personal strategies.

I will start, and I admit that my 3-pronged strategy developed over time.

1. Full court press on income growth. If I was going to give up 40 to 50+ hours a week for work I wasn’t going to dick around. I might as well give 1000% effort, stand out from the crowd, and expect strong, continuous income growth. Act like your success is inevitable, grow revenue for the employer, become a decision maker, make as much money as you can. Nobody is going to manage your career for you. You need to do it yourself. Find your own opportunities and take advantage of them. Tough love.

2. Live below my means. I never lived on a budget and never had “a number”. I simply took care of my family and ensured they were happy while stashing away as much money as I possibly could. Every competitive bone in your body should be directed at growing income, and never at keeping up with the Joneses. Don’t get this ass backwards.

3. Demand value for my money. Everyone in the family should get their marketing-hype vaccine as often as needed. No bling, no trendy nonsense, no pet rocks. Just well-priced, sensible, high-quality goods: bang for buck. (Need to make some allowances for kids, but they need to understand the game too.)


I know there’s no right, one-size approach. This worked for me. My attitude was: focus on the big picture, and the details will take care of themselves.

What else?

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Re: Are you FI? What was your strategy?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2023, 05:42:31 AM »
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My attitude was: focus on the big picture, and the details will take care of themselves.

What else?

Yeah, this is close to how (with hindsight) my approach is/was. I knew saving was important and started with equity investments at $1800 per year in IRA within a year of college graduation. I shortly started a taxable account at $50 per month. Next year I will hit 30 years of making that taxable monthly contribution. Of course it has grown to a much larger number since then, but never once missed it.

After about twenty years of investing I finally started getting educated on the subject and formed a simple strategy of "pile it in" then added "be aware of taxes". I enjoy trying to learn more and more details, but in the end it remains the large thing of save early, save often, then save a bunch that has put us in our current position.


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Re: Are you FI? What was your strategy?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2023, 06:07:48 AM »
We enjoy living a pretty simple life. I like quality things that last, but not a ton of them. We also enjoy just being at home and with each other. We achieved FI mostly by living below our means though.

When my husband and I were married 20+ years ago, we only lived on one salary and invested the other. At our peak, we made $120K one year, but it was usually less because of layoffs and job changes. We also each brought some savings into the marriage. We also purposely bought a house that was in very rough shape. It took us about three years of constant work to fix it up. It's still not done lol, but we paid it off pretty quickly. When children came along, I wanted to stay home, but it was during the Great Recession and we weren't about to voluntarily give up a job then! We still saved, just not as much because of daycare. In hindsight, it was a great time to max out our retirement plans though. I quit my job a few years later though. It was easy because we were used to being on one salary. We continued to save after I left work, even though my spouse had a pay cut. I remember we qualified for the saver's credit a few times.

Our savings have compounded. I'm amazed because our salaries weren't anything special. I think we got lucky with a few things, but mainly not losing our jobs during the recession- it was such a horrible time to find work, but such a great time for investing. It also helps that we rarely pay anyone to fix or repair anything (house, cars, cleaning, etc.). My spouse still works, but we were FI years ago. He enjoys his job, but I never went back to work. We still live in the same small paid off house.

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Re: Are you FI? What was your strategy?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2023, 06:14:01 AM »
We are far beyond FI in my household but we never had anything like a formal strategy. In retrospect, I guess it was:
- Live on one income
- Max out 401K contributions
- Invest as much as possible in an S&P 500 index fund while always maintaining a multi-year cash cushion.

More than anything, I have to admit that there was a lot of luck involved: Both wife and I made good money and, somehow, never got laid off. Also, I was not an active investor - I used to compute our net worth maybe once a year. I still have every share of the index fund we have ever bought.

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2023, 01:56:30 PM »
Before I married:

- Buy a home that is no more than 2x salary.  Use hand-me-downs and Ikea for furniture.  DIY painting, improvements.
- Limit car payment to $300/mo.  Keep putting $300/mo. away after loan ended until could pay cash.
- Develop reasonable budgets, then play the budget game and try to come in under budget in every category but savings.
- Max out tax-deferred plans.
- All bonuses and raises to savings, with potential little splurge for bonuses.  All savings into general mutual funds.
- Do vacations with family so basically free.
- Buy generic whenever possible.  Always ask whether I really need something first (answer is almost always no).
- Bulk cook every weekend; avoid lunches out, happy hours, etc., except to actually socialize.  Choose happy hour locations with free hors d'oeuvres so one drink buys you dinner too.  ;-)
- Buy as many things as possible that allow me to do for myself -- e.g., work clothes that can be washed vs. dry-clean-only.  Minimal focus on "extras" like makeup, fancy shoes/purses, etc. -- enough focus to not stand out at work, but nothing beyond that.

After marriage to Mr. Spendy:

- Ensure we can meet all our needs on the lowest of our two incomes.
- Both stay in the workforce even after kids -- part-time as needed for sanity vs. quitting entirely.
- No debt except for housing.  Period.  If we can't pay cash for it, we can't afford it.
- Live in a neighborhood where the neighbors match our desired consumption level, not our income.  Best way to avoid any kind of pressure to keep up with the Joneses is to buy where the Joneses have to try to keep up with you.
     - Corollary:  spend online time on MMM, instead of on "influencers" and the like, to keep my head grounded and my wants/expectations in line.
- Avoid the kind of lifestyle inflation that increases our bottom line -- stay in the same house, figure out what level if "nice" is "enough" and stick with that.  E.g., we did increase vacation spending when kids started school and we were limited to school holidays (when everything is $$$$$), but that's the kind of thing we could have cut immediately if things got tight vs. something like "let's buy a summer home!"
- For all spending decisions, go for the knee of the curve.  Super-cheap crap that breaks right away isn't useful, but you also don't need the highest-end whatever.  Think about what specific characteristics I actually need vs. bells and whistles that sound cool, and then look for what's good enough -- what meets that need and is the best value for the money.
     - Corollary:  remember to still ask if I actually need something.  Just because my budget is more flush doesn't mean I need anything more than I did before.
- Continue to max out all tax-deferred options and divert raises/bonuses to savings.  When I "feel" flush, I am much more lax on the budget, so creating an artificial constraint helps maintain normalcy. 
     - Note that this became much more powerful as more and more of our income came in end-of-year profit-sharing and stock grants and such. 
     - Corollary:  follow career paths that provide options for things like profit-sharing, stock grants, etc.  Talk about speeding up the path to FI!
- Give up on the budget game and acknowledge that money for things like vacations can be spent.  But budget for savings goals first (including college for kids) before spending what is left over.  Always at least 20%, even during ridiculously expensive daycare years. 
- Transition everything to VTSAX.
- Protect downside risk with life insurance, disability insurance, home insurance, umbrella policy, etc.  Biggest risk to long-term success was something completely unexpected throwing us off-track, like a permanent disability, so did as best we could to minimize the damage those risks could do.*


*Note that this ultimately paid off this past year due to the house fire.  So in the end, the investment in protection was ultimately worthwhile, because we were able to live in temp housing for 18 months and completely rebuild the house without throwing us off-track.

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Re: Are you FI? What was your strategy?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2023, 02:19:45 PM »
I guess our strategy is the MMM strategy? I've never really thought about it in those terms.

We leave our money invested in the asset allocation laid out by our Investment Retirement Plan (80/20 stocks/bonds). Our spending is below our means because, well, FIRE. And that's it. We're just living life at this point. The money is on autopilot.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2023, 03:16:30 PM »
I paid myself first. I maxed out my retirement accounts and committed to a minimum amount of investment in taxable accounts. I lived off what was left over.

My allocation was 90/10 stocks/bonds. I was far too lazy to mess around with optimization. So I left my investments alone. No rebalancing, no panic allocation into cash/bonds during the bad times.

I know I am not smart enough to understand the nitty gritty details of how the market can work. So I relied on the blind trust that the market will go up over the long term.


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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2023, 04:44:16 PM »
Got a government job at 23 and worked hard to get to the top in a Director role.  30 years later and roughly 22 of those maxing 457b plan and also committing to investing in taxable account and Roth the magic has occurred. 

Never got into any real debt other than primary home that couldn’t be managed and had a couple of side hustles as well. Fast forward to now at 53 and pretty much ready to fat fire at 55 with medical fully covered for life for myself and dependents (for dependents as long as I am alive)

Now at zero debt whatsoever cars house nothing with a budget that is roughly 3200/m. (High property tax area) cfiresim has me at 130,000 a year burn for 35 year retirement with 0% failures.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2023, 07:03:21 PM »
I had many strategies that didn't get me anywhere (or sent me backwards) until I found the MMM forums.  Then I completely changed my strategy to:

1.  Get rich slowly.  Accept that just letting time work for me was a better strategy than panicking and the buy/sell churn.
2.  Simplify everything.  Especially my investments.  Now my liquid investments are 80% in the "lazy man portfolio".  (3 vanguard funds)
3.  Be flexible.   I would have liked to have saved more before pulling the plug, but I needed to quit when I did.  So I'll find a way to make it work.  I'm being a bit more frugal in my first few years and hoping the market will help me out a bit.  After 2.5 years, I haven't touched anything in my investment accounts yet and I'm still working off my bank accounts.  Also, I live a pretty good life and there's still a lot of fat i can cut when I need to. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2023, 10:21:44 AM »
I hooked up with someone with much higher income and convinced them my cozy life was actually more appealing than their McMansion and an SUV life.

Once we realized how much "extra" we had, we started setting a goal to compare against current spending. Well, we say that, but it was more to somehow justify what we were socking away. That goal just kept changing without actually ever spending on whatever we said it was for, until we set a goal of 10x in taxable to take an extended sabbatical. While researching money management, we came across FIRE and realized that for us 25x total wasn't much different than 10x in taxable, especially once we started using the MBR to put more than ever into "retirement" accounts.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2023, 12:57:19 PM »
- Started saving with my first job after college, even just $50 per month. I have never been able to max out our retirement accounts, but I do have a pension with a mandatory 8% contribution.

- Got a job with a university that has excellent health care coverage, and a defined benefit pension. The pension is going to cover 70% of our retirement spending.

- Bought a fixer-upper house, and spent 20 years DIYing improvements.

- Leveraged that starter house into a fancy house, which is also in need of DIY work.

- Limited our spending on cars; we try to keep them for 10 years or 200k miles.

- Upscaled our vacations, so we spend on travel 1x per year, and enjoy the memories for years.

It really is about bang for the buck, with intentional spending and saving. Once we've done our retirement and "lumpy" savings, the rest of it sort of takes care of itself.

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2023, 02:15:22 PM »
- Entering a field that was in high demand -- software -- and where I could excel, even if I was cynical about my employer's mission statement. I never tried to maximize income and often took month long breaks between jobs/contracts.

- LBYM. 
   - When I bought a house, I had roommates.
   - Vacations were camping, backpacking, and climbing and usually <8 hours driving distance.
   - Had used, free, furniture from the local university (slightly used furniture would end up on the curb in May).

- Tracked spending and plotted a YMOYL graph each month. I now use the VPW calculator twice a year.

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2023, 09:44:33 PM »
Partial FI due to dual vets pensions.

FI plan is to get these kids out of the house, downsize or provide relatively affordable housing to grad students*, lock in a deferred pension after 20 years as a fed employee, then move into full-time teaching.

Based on current pensions systems, my wife and I may have 5 DB pensions at 63 (2 vets, 1 fed, 2 state), plus the investments in long-term accounts (TSP, 403b, Roth IRA).

*Ph.D students at my school get a $26,000 a year stipend, but have to pay $1,400 a month to have a room in an apartment on campus where 6 people share 2 bathrooms and a common area. How housing is not a part of their "full scholarship" is beyond me

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!