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« Reply #900 on: October 31, 2023, 07:37:42 AM »
One thing that maybe should be mentioned - those email money transfers are probably the most dangerous thing that our banking system allows.  A few years ago our bank lost my banking information (along with a lot of other people) when they were hacked.  They didn't tell me this of course, so I didn't know there was a need to change all my passwords.  So one morning I logged in to our bank account and noticed that a couple email money transfers had been sent to random gmail addresses - one at just before midnight the day before, and one after midnight that day.  All told it was about eight grand.  And then we were hit with service charges because some automatic payments weren't able to go through.

I immediately contacted the bank and asked them to stop/reverse the transfer.  They told me it wasn't possible to do - the money was gone with no way of tracing it or ever getting it back.  After a couple months of wrangling back and forth they did refund me . . . but it was eye opening.

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« Reply #901 on: October 31, 2023, 07:43:30 AM »
One thing that maybe should be mentioned - those email money transfers are probably the most dangerous thing that our banking system allows.  A few years ago our bank lost my banking information (along with a lot of other people) when they were hacked.  They didn't tell me this of course, so I didn't know there was a need to change all my passwords.  So one morning I logged in to our bank account and noticed that a couple email money transfers had been sent to random gmail addresses - one at just before midnight the day before, and one after midnight that day.  All told it was about eight grand.  And then we were hit with service charges because some automatic payments weren't able to go through.

I immediately contacted the bank and asked them to stop/reverse the transfer.  They told me it wasn't possible to do - the money was gone with no way of tracing it or ever getting it back.  After a couple months of wrangling back and forth they did refund me . . . but it was eye opening.

Yeah, good point, but for any non Canadian reading this, we do have maximums on what can be transferred in a given day.

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« Reply #902 on: October 31, 2023, 07:45:23 AM »
One thing that maybe should be mentioned - those email money transfers are probably the most dangerous thing that our banking system allows.  A few years ago our bank lost my banking information (along with a lot of other people) when they were hacked.  They didn't tell me this of course, so I didn't know there was a need to change all my passwords.  So one morning I logged in to our bank account and noticed that a couple email money transfers had been sent to random gmail addresses - one at just before midnight the day before, and one after midnight that day.  All told it was about eight grand.  And then we were hit with service charges because some automatic payments weren't able to go through.

I immediately contacted the bank and asked them to stop/reverse the transfer.  They told me it wasn't possible to do - the money was gone with no way of tracing it or ever getting it back.  After a couple months of wrangling back and forth they did refund me . . . but it was eye opening.

Yeah, good point, but for any non Canadian reading this, we do have maximums on what can be transferred in a given day.

Yeah, I think that's why there was the weird timing of the transfers from my account.  They were trying to extract the most possible before alerting anyone.

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« Reply #903 on: October 31, 2023, 08:10:38 AM »
According to the NYT the new stock valuation package values X at 19 billion. 

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« Reply #904 on: October 31, 2023, 08:11:29 AM »
So Elon Musk may end up with something useful for Americans, but the rest of us don't need it.

I disagree. He's just going to add to existing fragmentation. Of course he'd like to be the platform that handles all banking and payments for the US. This is a thing with Elon: Twitter us struggling (now worth perhaps $19B, down from the $44B he paid), so he's talking up grandiose plans that could in theory rescue his bad investment. Not gonna happen. The only way this happens in the US is if the feds get behind a single standard (like FedNow) that allows for seamless interoperability between different vendors. If this is what happens, Twitter could participate in this network, but it would be one among many players.

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« Reply #905 on: October 31, 2023, 08:21:51 AM »
So Elon Musk may end up with something useful for Americans, but the rest of us don't need it.

I disagree. He's just going to add to existing fragmentation. Of course he'd like to be the platform that handles all banking and payments for the US. This is a thing with Elon: Twitter us struggling (now worth perhaps $19B, down from the $44B he paid), so he's talking up grandiose plans that could in theory rescue his bad investment. Not gonna happen. The only way this happens in the US is if the feds get behind a single standard (like FedNow) that allows for seamless interoperability between different vendors. If this is what happens, Twitter could participate in this network, but it would be one among many players.

That is why I said "may".  But my main point was, the US is the only G20 country that has such a fragmented banking system, so the rest of us just don't need it.

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« Reply #906 on: October 31, 2023, 08:25:56 AM »
One thing that maybe should be mentioned - those email money transfers are probably the most dangerous thing that our banking system allows.  A few years ago our bank lost my banking information (along with a lot of other people) when they were hacked.  They didn't tell me this of course, so I didn't know there was a need to change all my passwords.  So one morning I logged in to our bank account and noticed that a couple email money transfers had been sent to random gmail addresses - one at just before midnight the day before, and one after midnight that day.  All told it was about eight grand.  And then we were hit with service charges because some automatic payments weren't able to go through.

I immediately contacted the bank and asked them to stop/reverse the transfer.  They told me it wasn't possible to do - the money was gone with no way of tracing it or ever getting it back.  After a couple months of wrangling back and forth they did refund me . . . but it was eye opening.

Yeah, good point, but for any non Canadian reading this, we do have maximums on what can be transferred in a given day.

Yeah, I think that's why there was the weird timing of the transfers from my account.  They were trying to extract the most possible before alerting anyone.

My bank (BMO) doesn't go by calendar day, it goes by 24 hour period.

I don't know if they would tell us if they were hacked.  But I do know that when a separate company got hacked they sent out new credit cards just in case.  They never named the company but given what was in the news, I think it was Winners.  I hope Winners has upped their security, but they are one store where I will only use cash.

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« Reply #907 on: October 31, 2023, 08:42:24 AM »
So Elon Musk may end up with something useful for Americans, but the rest of us don't need it.

I disagree. He's just going to add to existing fragmentation. Of course he'd like to be the platform that handles all banking and payments for the US. This is a thing with Elon: Twitter us struggling (now worth perhaps $19B, down from the $44B he paid), so he's talking up grandiose plans that could in theory rescue his bad investment. Not gonna happen. The only way this happens in the US is if the feds get behind a single standard (like FedNow) that allows for seamless interoperability between different vendors. If this is what happens, Twitter could participate in this network, but it would be one among many players.

That is why I said "may".  But my main point was, the US is the only G20 country that has such a fragmented banking system, so the rest of us just don't need it.

Agreed.

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« Reply #908 on: October 31, 2023, 12:08:54 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.

Anyone recommend a book on early paypal? I vaguely remember hearing about this, but my accountant brain wants a new book. Heck, send me your accounting fraud book recommendations. I've read the Enron and Bernie Madoff ones. I'm cool with the technical ones as long as they're well written.

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« Reply #909 on: October 31, 2023, 12:32:50 PM »
According to the NYT the new stock valuation package values X at 19 billion.
Still a suspicious number unless checked and verified by at least 2 independent external auditors.
Cesspool isn't worth more than $3.50.

X is still losing millions daily, next quarterly valuation will be less than $19B.

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« Reply #910 on: October 31, 2023, 12:53:10 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.

Anyone recommend a book on early paypal? I vaguely remember hearing about this, but my accountant brain wants a new book. Heck, send me your accounting fraud book recommendations. I've read the Enron and Bernie Madoff ones. I'm cool with the technical ones as long as they're well written.

I'm enjoying "The Founders" although it's more a biography of the PayPal founders, but has a lot of interesting PayPal history.

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« Reply #911 on: October 31, 2023, 01:08:29 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

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« Reply #912 on: October 31, 2023, 01:42:04 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

I have some friends working in the Canadian banking system.  My understanding is that we're just starting to modernize from similarly ancient systems.

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« Reply #913 on: October 31, 2023, 02:14:16 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

I have some friends working in the Canadian banking system.  My understanding is that we're just starting to modernize from similarly ancient systems.

Lol, yeah, I don't think anything about our banking system is "advances" lol. As I mentioned already, we got our e-transfer system in 2003 and it only just slightly updated recently to do auto-deposits.

We're not exactly ahead of the curve in terms of banking tech, we just don't barriers to adoption of tech.

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« Reply #914 on: October 31, 2023, 02:19:42 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

I have some friends working in the Canadian banking system.  My understanding is that we're just starting to modernize from similarly ancient systems.

Lol, yeah, I don't think anything about our banking system is "advances" lol. As I mentioned already, we got our e-transfer system in 2003 and it only just slightly updated recently to do auto-deposits.

We're not exactly ahead of the curve in terms of banking tech, we just don't barriers to adoption of tech.

I didn't say COBAL was the ONLY reason. But it doesn't help. And honestly, I wouldn't be too smug regardless of where you are unless you've looked under the hood of how it all works. The little that I know suggests that worldwide it's a bit of a house of cards.

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« Reply #915 on: October 31, 2023, 02:23:03 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

I have some friends working in the Canadian banking system.  My understanding is that we're just starting to modernize from similarly ancient systems.

Lol, yeah, I don't think anything about our banking system is "advances" lol. As I mentioned already, we got our e-transfer system in 2003 and it only just slightly updated recently to do auto-deposits.

We're not exactly ahead of the curve in terms of banking tech, we just don't barriers to adoption of tech.

I didn't say COBAL was the ONLY reason. But it doesn't help. And honestly, I wouldn't be too smug regardless of where you are unless you've looked under the hood of how it all works. The little that I know suggests that worldwide it's a bit of a house of cards.

The thing with some of these legacy systems (in both nuclear and banking) is . . . you don't really need a new or complicated programming language.  Once your software is working and proven there's no advantage at all to changing things over.  It's just a risk and expense for almost no reward.  It's often cheaper to just completely train a new guy from the ground up if you need some maintenance work done.

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« Reply #916 on: October 31, 2023, 02:43:07 PM »
The thing with some of these legacy systems (in both nuclear and banking) is . . . you don't really need a new or complicated programming language.  Once your software is working and proven there's no advantage at all to changing things over.  It's just a risk and expense for almost no reward.  It's often cheaper to just completely train a new guy from the ground up if you need some maintenance work done.

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« Reply #917 on: October 31, 2023, 02:44:47 PM »
When your banking system is still based on antiquated COBAL language software, that makes all the new stuff kinda hard to do. Especially since my understanding is they don't teach COBAL to new programmers anymore. There are reasons why the US banking system is as messed up as it is.
Afaik most of the German banks also still run on COBOL (or even older) systems. So no excuses there.

I have some friends working in the Canadian banking system.  My understanding is that we're just starting to modernize from similarly ancient systems.

Lol, yeah, I don't think anything about our banking system is "advances" lol. As I mentioned already, we got our e-transfer system in 2003 and it only just slightly updated recently to do auto-deposits.

We're not exactly ahead of the curve in terms of banking tech, we just don't barriers to adoption of tech.

I didn't say COBAL was the ONLY reason. But it doesn't help. And honestly, I wouldn't be too smug regardless of where you are unless you've looked under the hood of how it all works. The little that I know suggests that worldwide it's a bit of a house of cards.

Smug? I literally just said that our banking system *isn't* advanced...our Canadian banks are known for being old school, fuddy duddy institutions. My whole point was that we don't have e-transfers because we're "advanced." The system is literally decades old and has barely been updated. That's in the quoted part, right up there.

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« Reply #918 on: October 31, 2023, 03:17:40 PM »
Cesspool isn't worth more than $3.50.

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« Reply #919 on: October 31, 2023, 10:21:22 PM »
According to the NYT the new stock valuation package values X at 19 billion.
Still a suspicious number unless checked and verified by at least 2 independent external auditors.
Cesspool isn't worth more than $3.50.

X is still losing millions daily, next quarterly valuation will be less than $19B.

It's an evaluation he made himself based on stock options he's offering employees. So yeah, entirely made up without external evaluation.

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« Reply #920 on: November 01, 2023, 08:27:39 AM »
According to the NYT the new stock valuation package values X at 19 billion.
Still a suspicious number unless checked and verified by at least 2 independent external auditors.
Cesspool isn't worth more than $3.50.

X is still losing millions daily, next quarterly valuation will be less than $19B.

It's an evaluation he made himself based on stock options he's offering employees. So yeah, entirely made up without external evaluation.


Is this type of self-evaluation standard for this kind of situation?   If he's grossly overestimating the valuation, couldn't that be fraud?

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« Reply #921 on: November 01, 2023, 10:06:37 AM »
According to the NYT the new stock valuation package values X at 19 billion.
Still a suspicious number unless checked and verified by at least 2 independent external auditors.
Cesspool isn't worth more than $3.50.

X is still losing millions daily, next quarterly valuation will be less than $19B.

It's an evaluation he made himself based on stock options he's offering employees. So yeah, entirely made up without external evaluation.


Is this type of self-evaluation standard for this kind of situation?   If he's grossly overestimating the valuation, couldn't that be fraud?
Well, I'm pretty sure the SEC has him on speed dil at this point based on prior shenanigans.

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« Reply #922 on: November 01, 2023, 10:25:06 AM »
Companies offering stock to their employees need to report the value of this stock to the IRS for tax purposes. There's a thing called a 409(a) valuation where privately-held companies offering equity to employees periodically need to get appraised by a third party as to what their fair-market value is. Getting one of these appraisals done establishes a safe harbor from various tax penalties that could be assessed to the employees and shareholders in case of an audit. Musk would be foolish to just make up a number himself. That said, the appraisal generally only needs to be done once per year, and I imagine a company the size of Twitter has few enough peers that a pretty wide range of appraisal values could be defensible.

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« Reply #923 on: November 01, 2023, 10:36:15 AM »
Getting one of these appraisals done establishes a safe harbor from various tax penalties that could be assessed to the employees and shareholders in case of an audit. Musk would be foolish to just make up a number himself.
I am imagining the accountants Musk fired whipping up huge batches of popcorn right now.

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« Reply #924 on: November 01, 2023, 11:03:54 AM »
Musk would be foolish to...

I think it's well-established at this point that just because something is foolish doesn't mean he won't do it.

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« Reply #925 on: November 01, 2023, 11:42:04 AM »
Musk would be foolish to...

I think it's well-established at this point that just because something is foolish doesn't mean he won't do it.

Oh yes of course, I thought we were past the point where we needed to emphasize that.

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« Reply #926 on: November 17, 2023, 06:43:09 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

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« Reply #927 on: November 17, 2023, 07:59:39 AM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?  He's saying they're creating anti-white racism against themselves?

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« Reply #928 on: November 17, 2023, 08:04:21 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

Musk isn't selling me any cars or spaceship rides when he talks.

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« Reply #929 on: November 17, 2023, 08:20:54 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

Musk isn't selling me any cars or spaceship rides when he talks.

Imagine the kind of utopia he plans to create on Mars  . . .  well away from pesky Earth laws about racism.

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« Reply #930 on: November 17, 2023, 08:22:28 AM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?  He's saying they're creating anti-white racism against themselves?
Ethnicity is whatever we invent it to be.

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« Reply #931 on: November 17, 2023, 08:23:20 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

Musk isn't selling me any cars or spaceship rides when he talks.

Imagine the kind of utopia he plans to create on Mars  . . .  well away from pesky Earth laws about racism.

Given how likely success is of his terraforming trip and colony, along with the sorts of people he'd be attracting to his space utopia... I see no downside. It's got real Golgafrinchan "B" Ark vibes to it with a higher quality, self selecting, voluntary population.
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« Reply #932 on: November 17, 2023, 08:27:32 AM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?

Not according to racists.

It took me a while to understand this, but to white supremacists, "whiteness" isn't a question of skin tone. You can't decide who's white and who isn't by comparing them to a color chart. It's about dividing the world into the ethnicities who they believe deserve to be in charge, and those that don't.

That's why Italians and Irish weren't considered white for a long time in American history, either.

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« Reply #933 on: November 17, 2023, 09:13:10 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

Musk isn't selling me any cars or spaceship rides when he talks.

Imagine the kind of utopia he plans to create on Mars  . . .  well away from pesky Earth laws about racism.

Given how likely success is of his terraforming trip and colony, along with the sorts of people he'd be attracting to his space utopia... I see no downside. It's got real Golgafrinchan "B" Ark vibes to it with a higher quality, self selecting, voluntary population.
Racists will never terraform Mars because doing so would require the cooperation of tens of millions of people all working together and sharing some set of values. The concept of continually dividing people into good and bad invented ethnicities never stops, and creates too much division to muster such a corporate army. This is why even the most conservative corporations have diversity, equity, and inclusion functions, because otherwise the racists and misogynists would destroy the organization's unity from the inside out.

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« Reply #934 on: November 17, 2023, 09:40:59 AM »
Just going to leave this one here:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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An X post Wednesday afternoon said: “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.

In response, Musk said: “You have said the actual truth.”

Musk isn't selling me any cars or spaceship rides when he talks.

Imagine the kind of utopia he plans to create on Mars  . . .  well away from pesky Earth laws about racism.

Given how likely success is of his terraforming trip and colony, along with the sorts of people he'd be attracting to his space utopia... I see no downside. It's got real Golgafrinchan "B" Ark vibes to it with a higher quality, self selecting, voluntary population.
Racists will never terraform Mars because doing so would require the cooperation of tens of millions of people all working together and sharing some set of values. The concept of continually dividing people into good and bad invented ethnicities never stops, and creates too much division to muster such a corporate army. This is why even the most conservative corporations have diversity, equity, and inclusion functions, because otherwise the racists and misogynists would destroy the organization's unity from the inside out.

That was the joke.

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« Reply #935 on: November 17, 2023, 09:59:48 AM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?  He's saying they're creating anti-white racism against themselves?

From The Atlantic

"These are rough sketches of two camps, concentrated at the margins of U.S. political culture. On the extreme right, Jews are seen as impure—a faux-white race that has tainted America. And on the extreme left, Jews are seen as part of a white-majority establishment that seeks to dominate people of color. Taken together, these attacks raise an interesting question: Are Jews white? “Jewish identity in America is inherently paradoxical and contradictory,” says Eric Goldstein, an associate professor of history at Emory University."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/

One thing I can tell you for certain is that the moment people find out I'm Jewish, the first thing they say is generally "you don't look Jewish," meaning that I look like their conceptualization of "white" not "Jewish."

Musks new naked antisemitism is just so incredibly lazy. He's supposed to be such a visionary, such a futurist, and he's falling back on one of the oldest fucking, done to death (pun intended) tropes that we know of: it's the Jews' fault.

But what do we expect from the loser who didn't let staff wear safety gear in his presence because he doesn't like bright colours??

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« Reply #936 on: November 17, 2023, 10:12:57 AM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?  He's saying they're creating anti-white racism against themselves?

From The Atlantic

"These are rough sketches of two camps, concentrated at the margins of U.S. political culture. On the extreme right, Jews are seen as impure—a faux-white race that has tainted America. And on the extreme left, Jews are seen as part of a white-majority establishment that seeks to dominate people of color. Taken together, these attacks raise an interesting question: Are Jews white? “Jewish identity in America is inherently paradoxical and contradictory,” says Eric Goldstein, an associate professor of history at Emory University."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/

One thing I can tell you for certain is that the moment people find out I'm Jewish, the first thing they say is generally "you don't look Jewish," meaning that I look like their conceptualization of "white" not "Jewish."

Musks new naked antisemitism is just so incredibly lazy. He's supposed to be such a visionary, such a futurist, and he's falling back on one of the oldest fucking, done to death (pun intended) tropes that we know of: it's the Jews' fault.

But what do we expect from the loser who didn't let staff wear safety gear in his presence because he doesn't like bright colours??

I kind of like that in recent years there has been so much inter-marriage between different people that it's often difficult to tell where someone's roots are just by glancing at their face.  My wife and I are a mixed race couple.  Among my close friends the majority of them are mixed race couples.  It makes me hope that with enough integration and time at least some of the race issues will simply go away because we won't have clear lines to discriminate on.

But if we're using some sort of bizarre purity standard rather than physical features, that kinda smashes that hope.

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« Reply #937 on: November 17, 2023, 10:38:04 AM »
Nah, people who want will find some line.

That's why Italians and Irish weren't considered white for a long time in American history, either.
Well Italians are the shabby rest of the Roman Empire that fell because they mixed in too much African slaves and whatnot. Even Jews!!!

And Irish - half of them you don't know if they are even human with all that faery blood in them! Can't be white if you have green blood!!!

(Yes, that was irony on my part, not on the racists part.)

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« Reply #938 on: November 17, 2023, 12:36:10 PM »
Wait, aren't most Jewish people white?  He's saying they're creating anti-white racism against themselves?

From The Atlantic

"These are rough sketches of two camps, concentrated at the margins of U.S. political culture. On the extreme right, Jews are seen as impure—a faux-white race that has tainted America. And on the extreme left, Jews are seen as part of a white-majority establishment that seeks to dominate people of color. Taken together, these attacks raise an interesting question: Are Jews white? “Jewish identity in America is inherently paradoxical and contradictory,” says Eric Goldstein, an associate professor of history at Emory University."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/

One thing I can tell you for certain is that the moment people find out I'm Jewish, the first thing they say is generally "you don't look Jewish," meaning that I look like their conceptualization of "white" not "Jewish."

Musks new naked antisemitism is just so incredibly lazy. He's supposed to be such a visionary, such a futurist, and he's falling back on one of the oldest fucking, done to death (pun intended) tropes that we know of: it's the Jews' fault.

But what do we expect from the loser who didn't let staff wear safety gear in his presence because he doesn't like bright colours??

I kind of like that in recent years there has been so much inter-marriage between different people that it's often difficult to tell where someone's roots are just by glancing at their face.  My wife and I are a mixed race couple.  Among my close friends the majority of them are mixed race couples.  It makes me hope that with enough integration and time at least some of the race issues will simply go away because we won't have clear lines to discriminate on.

But if we're using some sort of bizarre purity standard rather than physical features, that kinda smashes that hope.
Find some tiny difference between people - attached vs detatched earlobes, chin proportion, curly vs straight hair - and that can be used as shorthand to define who is good and bad. The specifics don't matter because there will always be some specific thing.

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« Reply #939 on: November 17, 2023, 05:37:27 PM »
Big advertisers jumping ship after Musk's anti-Semitism alignment. Could this be the final nail in the coffin?

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« Reply #940 on: November 17, 2023, 05:54:57 PM »
Big advertisers jumping ship after Musk's anti-Semitism alignment. Could this be the final nail in the coffin?

No! It's proof of the agenda of the fucking Jews and their power to sabotage him!

Didn't he already make that clear??

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« Reply #941 on: November 17, 2023, 08:37:56 PM »
Guess we know what the X is going to evolve into.

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« Reply #942 on: November 17, 2023, 09:18:42 PM »
Big advertisers jumping ship after Musk's anti-Semitism alignment. Could this be the final nail in the coffin?

They're all saying "suspension" of ads. Unless they actually stop paying him for an extended period of time it doesn't mean anything yet.

He's using this as an opportunity to push his ad-free subscription service.

https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725707584555143602?s=46&t=fkD_lTvxvy8Bl0HbIvhJoQ

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« Reply #943 on: November 18, 2023, 06:42:23 AM »
Guess we know what the X is going to evolve into.

Yep, just draw four little lines on the tips of the X, and you’re good to go.

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« Reply #944 on: November 18, 2023, 07:01:18 AM »
Guess we know what the X is going to evolve into.

Yep, just draw four little lines on the tips of the X, and you’re good to go.

Well actually, it's a Nordic rune guys. Ugh, woke snowflake libtards will take offense to anything these days! #FREESPEECH #BLOODANDSOIL

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« Reply #945 on: November 18, 2023, 08:15:12 AM »
Guess we know what the X is going to evolve into.

Yep, just draw four little lines on the tips of the X, and you’re good to go.

Well actually, it's a Nordic rune guys. Ugh, woke snowflake libtards will take offense to anything these days! #FREESPEECH #BLOODANDSOIL

We all know there should be a /s at the end.  It came through loud and clear.    ;-)

Wasn't it originally Sumerian or something?  It is such a easy motif to weave it shows up in a lot of ancient fabrics.  Of course now it only has the one association.  Like huge logs and decorated trees at the winter solstice are now forever Yule logs and Christmas trees.  Darned appropriators.

Sometimes you look at people's behaviour as they get older and wonder if they have a brain tumour.  Nope, just showing their true character.  Assholery, that is.

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« Reply #946 on: November 18, 2023, 08:19:37 AM »
Guess we know what the X is going to evolve into.

Yep, just draw four little lines on the tips of the X, and you’re good to go.

Well actually, it's a Nordic rune guys. Ugh, woke snowflake libtards will take offense to anything these days! #FREESPEECH #BLOODANDSOIL

Funnily enough, the first time I saw a swastika (not on TV) was at my friend's house when I was young, he was a Hindu and it's a symbol for well being... Of course now corrupted by the Nazis... They didn't seem to mind having it up. It had dots on the inside corners and wasn't black on white/red, they had it in yellow.


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« Reply #947 on: November 18, 2023, 08:19:51 AM »
At least now we know what Musk and Kanye were bonding over when they were mutually masturbating each other all over social media.

I read that around that time was when Kanye really got vocally into antisemitism and Jewish conspiracies and was going on pro Hitler at Adidas meetings.

So you know that's exactly the "genius" shit that they were talking about at the time.

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« Reply #948 on: November 18, 2023, 11:38:29 AM »

Wasn't it originally Sumerian or something?  It is such a easy motif to weave it shows up in a lot of ancient fabrics. 
I don't think you can pin it down to one area.

The funniest thing was a few years ago when Japan, because of the Olympics, changed maps to not use the (anti-Nazi direction) symbol for depicting buddhist temples anymore. I can only imagine there were too many stupid "Free Speech" Americans not able to differentiate the two and got disapponted when instead of Freedom they found only smiling poor people who are strictly against guns.

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« Reply #949 on: November 18, 2023, 01:49:17 PM »
Definitely still widely used in India, including the Indian/Hindu expat community. Use it in contexts including celebrating or blessing a new car which can cause all sorts of weirdness in the USA.

 

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