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Re: Twitter
« Reply #750 on: August 20, 2023, 05:00:02 AM »
In case you don't know, there was a software named "tweetdeck", which allowed you multiple streams/timelines at the same time, curated by you, not the twitter algo. Also no ads. A really good tool for information overview. (e.g. I had one timeline for anime+japan only stuff, and that didn't appear in the others.)

That has been unavailable for a week now (for non paying users).
The original app I was testing in the last days was showing me:

- first a 10-minute scroll hell of blue check assholes, half of them with the hobby of making the green party responsible for everything, probably even for the extinction of dinosaurs.
- 2 times it even had as first tweet the first and so far only person who ever landet on my persona non grata list before I even knew who she is (blue-blooded granddaughter of a Nazi war criminal, and that is what you need to know about her, it's nearly comedic).
- it seemed like every article from "Tichys Einblick" (the german newspaper equivalent to Fox News)
- useless "follow" request
- an ad about every single screen
- practically no one I chose to follow

in short: very close to unusable und a very good way to lose your sanity

I am sorry, but I likely won't be able to serve you any "inside" information in the future anymore.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #751 on: August 20, 2023, 06:54:41 AM »
LennStar, for my app, at the top of the screen there are two buttons: "For You" and "Following"

The "For You" tab sounds very much like what you describe. But if I switch over to "Following" I get a simple chronological order display of tweets xeets posts from the people I follow on the website-formerly-known-as-twitter. No trending posts or random stuff inserted from people I don't follow. Very much the way any single column within a tweetdeck display would be arranged.

Do you have a similar pair of buttons at the top of your app?

I'm also sad to be losing access to tweetdeck. It was a much more efficient interface.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #752 on: August 20, 2023, 11:12:23 AM »
LennStar, for my app, at the top of the screen there are two buttons: "For You" and "Following"

The "For You" tab sounds very much like what you describe. But if I switch over to "Following" I get a simple chronological order display of tweets xeets posts from the people I follow on the website-formerly-known-as-twitter. No trending posts or random stuff inserted from people I don't follow. Very much the way any single column within a tweetdeck display would be arranged.

Do you have a similar pair of buttons at the top of your app?

I'm also sad to be losing access to tweetdeck. It was a much more efficient interface.
Oh yes, Why didn't I see that?
Well, I saw it but thought it was the lost of people I am following.

The thing is, it still shoves all the "you might follow" and ads in my face. I want neither and it's simply time stealing.

btw. when opening X, I saw that nazi graddaughter the third time. Unbelievable. It's clear that the algo gives me the tweets with the most "engagement". It knows I am following mostly left-wing politics (and a hand full of the opposite as a sort of indicator species) and sensible people like scientists, so it gives me the opposite, especially when they are paying. To see it such clearly is honestly frightening.
Maybe even more frightening is what I didn't saw. The original twitter feed is totally useless as an information source.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2023, 11:19:34 AM by LennStar »

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #753 on: August 20, 2023, 12:01:16 PM »
X glitch wipes out most pictures and links tweeted before December 2014

...continuing the downhill slide. To borrow a quote from Homer Simpson, "sturdy as a mountain goat!"

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #754 on: August 20, 2023, 02:27:47 PM »
X glitch wipes out most pictures and links tweeted before December 2014

Must be one of those useless microservices.

EDIT: infant status confirmed:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1693219734001500381

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Pretty fun blocking people who complain that blocking is going away.

How does the medicine taste?

Shit, I forgot to buy popcorn maker stocks!
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Re: Twitter
« Reply #755 on: August 20, 2023, 04:10:28 PM »
Wait...so is he saying that no one can block people but him???

I'm confused...

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #756 on: August 20, 2023, 05:48:23 PM »
Wait...so is he saying that no one can block people but him???

I'm confused...

I think it’s something along the lines of “I’m having a conversation about blocking, but you can’t participate in it, because you are blocked. How does that feel?”

Apparently the blocking thing is about replying to public tweets. It doesn’t have to do with the ability to hide people you don’t like from your news feed, or block people from sending you private messages. That functionality isn’t changing.

I think it’s important to understand what blocking actually means in this context, because when I first read about this issue I thought it meant Elon wanted to take away the ability to block people from showing up in your news feed, which turned out not to be true.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2023, 06:58:07 PM by Herbert Derp »

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #757 on: August 20, 2023, 06:48:58 PM »
Wait...so is he saying that no one can block people but him???

I'm confused...

I think it’s something along the lines of “I’m having a conversation about blocking, but you can’t participate in it, because you are blocked. How does that feel?”

Apparently the blocking thing is about replying to public tweets. It doesn’t have to do with the ability to hide people you don’t like from your news feed, or block people from sending you private messages. That functionality isn’t changing.

I think it’s important to actually understand what blocking means in this context, because when I first read about this issue I thought it meant Elon wanted to take away the ability to block people from showing up in your news feed, which turned out not to be true.

Can you block your content so specific people can't see it?  For example, could I still set my Twitter so that an unstable Ex who stalked me, broke into my home, and tracked me for years couldn't see my tweets?  Or do I, simply by choosing to use Xwitter, necessarily open up my life (as much as it is represented in Xwitter) to him? 

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #758 on: August 20, 2023, 06:54:50 PM »
Can you block your content so specific people can't see it?  For example, could I still set my Twitter so that an unstable Ex who stalked me, broke into my home, and tracked me for years couldn't see my tweets?  Or do I, simply by choosing to use Xwitter, necessarily open up my life (as much as it is represented in Xwitter) to him?

The main issue with the loss of blocking is that there won’t be a way to stop unwanted accounts from replying to tweets, which could lead to spam and harassment.

Blocking was never a feasible approach to stopping a stalker from reading your tweets because they can just create another account which isn’t blocked and keep on stalking you, and you will never know what that account is, so you won’t be able to block it anyway. Also, you can view someone’s tweets without even being signed in at all*, so blocking is pointless in that context.

* Recently, it seems much more difficult if not impossible to view all the recent tweets for an account without being signed in, it’s not clear if X is taking away this functionality or it is just one of those “bugs from removed microservices”.
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Re: Twitter
« Reply #759 on: August 21, 2023, 08:12:40 AM »
btw. since we all know social media has a libaral bias, Elon seems to be working on it:

X just suggested me - in one box - I should follow:
- The top AfD (right extremist party) woman in the Bundestag
- the former AfD top in the Berlin state parliament
- a journalist where I don't know if he is in the AfD but he is a CoVid conspiracy theorist and writer for an right extremist magazine, so that is a mere formality.

As far as I remember I have never talked to them, I might have comment-retweeted the first person once or twice in the last years to point out how even more stupid that was.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #760 on: August 21, 2023, 10:15:53 AM »
So let's see... Putin chooses "Z" as the symbol for his genocidal invasion of Ukraine, which is half a swastika.

Musk chooses "X" as the symbol for his nazi/AfD-boosting propaganda machine, which is also half a swastika.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #761 on: August 21, 2023, 11:02:31 AM »
btw. since we all know social media has a libaral bias, Elon seems to be working on it:

X just suggested me - in one box - I should follow:
- The top AfD (right extremist party) woman in the Bundestag
- the former AfD top in the Berlin state parliament
- a journalist where I don't know if he is in the AfD but he is a CoVid conspiracy theorist and writer for an right extremist magazine, so that is a mere formality.

As far as I remember I have never talked to them, I might have comment-retweeted the first person once or twice in the last years to point out how even more stupid that was.

Weirdly FB suddenly started recommending almost exclusively alt right/conspiracy theory pages to me, just out of nowhere, and no matter how many I block, it's still recommending them, but now it's added gamer pages. It's really, really weird.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #762 on: August 21, 2023, 12:06:12 PM »
So let's see... Putin chooses "Z" as the symbol for his genocidal invasion of Ukraine, which is half a swastika.

Musk chooses "X" as the symbol for his nazi/AfD-boosting propaganda machine, which is also half a swastika.

The Z symbol was only for one Army group. Depending on which Russian military command those troops fell under they used different symbols. The Z symbol was just the most prevalent because the Eastern Military District was the closest and where they drew the most troops from.

The Letter “V” represents the Russian Marines
The Letter “Z” represents units in the Eastern Military District
The Letter “Z” in a square represents the Southern Military District (Crimea)
The Letter “O” represents units from Belarus
The Letter “X” represents the forces of Ramzan Kadyrov, the Putin installed warlord of Russia’s Chechnya region.
The Letter “A” represents Russian Special Forces(SSO) like Spetznaz in its various operational units.
Source: https://sofrep.com/news/what-do-those-letters-mean-on-russian-tanks-and-vehicles/

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #763 on: August 21, 2023, 02:38:31 PM »
btw. since we all know social media has a libaral bias, Elon seems to be working on it:

X just suggested me - in one box - I should follow:
- The top AfD (right extremist party) woman in the Bundestag
- the former AfD top in the Berlin state parliament
- a journalist where I don't know if he is in the AfD but he is a CoVid conspiracy theorist and writer for an right extremist magazine, so that is a mere formality.

As far as I remember I have never talked to them, I might have comment-retweeted the first person once or twice in the last years to point out how even more stupid that was.

Weirdly FB suddenly started recommending almost exclusively alt right/conspiracy theory pages to me, just out of nowhere, and no matter how many I block, it's still recommending them, but now it's added gamer pages. It's really, really weird.

In many cases, gamer influences are a soft introduction to extremist propaganda, so that makes sense that this would be coming up. Gaming content is a nice platform to access impressionable young people.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #764 on: August 21, 2023, 03:08:23 PM »
So let's see... Putin chooses "Z" as the symbol for his genocidal invasion of Ukraine, which is half a swastika.

Musk chooses "X" as the symbol for his nazi/AfD-boosting propaganda machine, which is also half a swastika.

Oh come on, Elon’s been doing the X thing for the last 24 years, do you really think the X name has something to do with Nazi propaganda?
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Re: Twitter
« Reply #765 on: August 21, 2023, 03:58:17 PM »
So let's see... Putin chooses "Z" as the symbol for his genocidal invasion of Ukraine, which is half a swastika.

Musk chooses "X" as the symbol for his nazi/AfD-boosting propaganda machine, which is also half a swastika.

Oh come on, Elon’s been doing the X thing for the last 24 years, do you really think the X name has something to do with Nazi propaganda?

Yeah, for Elon it’s just some sort of weird adolescent fixation with X being an “edgy” or “cool” letter that he never outgrew.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #766 on: August 21, 2023, 04:12:29 PM »
So let's see... Putin chooses "Z" as the symbol for his genocidal invasion of Ukraine, which is half a swastika.

Musk chooses "X" as the symbol for his nazi/AfD-boosting propaganda machine, which is also half a swastika.

Oh come on, Elon’s been doing the X thing for the last 24 years, do you really think the X name has something to do with Nazi propaganda?

Yeah, for Elon it’s just some sort of weird adolescent fixation with X being an “edgy” or “cool” letter that he never outgrew.

The Teslas being named S-3-X-Y is not an accident. The board overruled him and didn't allow him to name the 3 an E.

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« Reply #767 on: August 21, 2023, 04:17:32 PM »
The Teslas being named S-3-X-Y is not an accident. The board overruled him and didn't allow him to name the 3 an E.

That was a trademark lawsuit threat from Ford that shut that down, not the Tesla board.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #768 on: August 21, 2023, 04:40:46 PM »
btw. since we all know social media has a libaral bias, Elon seems to be working on it:

X just suggested me - in one box - I should follow:
- The top AfD (right extremist party) woman in the Bundestag
- the former AfD top in the Berlin state parliament
- a journalist where I don't know if he is in the AfD but he is a CoVid conspiracy theorist and writer for an right extremist magazine, so that is a mere formality.

As far as I remember I have never talked to them, I might have comment-retweeted the first person once or twice in the last years to point out how even more stupid that was.

Weirdly FB suddenly started recommending almost exclusively alt right/conspiracy theory pages to me, just out of nowhere, and no matter how many I block, it's still recommending them, but now it's added gamer pages. It's really, really weird.

In many cases, gamer influences are a soft introduction to extremist propaganda, so that makes sense that this would be coming up. Gaming content is a nice platform to access impressionable young people.

Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #769 on: August 22, 2023, 12:43:59 AM »
The gamers might be because it's gamescom, but that does not explain the amount.

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« Reply #770 on: August 22, 2023, 04:22:46 AM »
The gamers might be because it's gamescom, but that does not explain the amount.

It's been going on for months.

Maybe FB is beta testing an algorithm for people with really low volume FB use like me where they try to tap into our outrage to get us to engage more with content?

I only use FB to connect with my classmates about school stuff, so perhaps they're trying to lure me into using my feed more, which I guess is working since I spend a few minutes each morning blocking all of this shit.

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #771 on: August 22, 2023, 06:47:23 AM »
There's a big overlap between the people who spend their time gaming or fucking around on the internet all day and the people who are susceptible to claims that minorities/women/their democracy are oppressing them. 

For such people to believe the truth would involve self-accountability, and nobody's a fan of that.

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« Reply #772 on: August 22, 2023, 09:05:43 AM »
Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

My FB feed in the last few months is a bunch of pages about stuff like history and geography (which I am interested in) interspersed with random "entertainment" pages (All Things British Royals, People Incorrectly Correcting Other People, Super News Supes, etc.) that are dumb stuff I don't care about. I rarely get any ads (might be because I'm on a desktop and haven't had FB installed on a phone in 5-10 years). And the remaining 30-40% is posts from people I actually know or a handful of groups/pages I do follow.

I think their algorithm is really struggling since I interact with so little on FB - I mainly go to check a couple of private groups about business stuff and see if any real people I know posted anything in the last week or so. So when I stop scrolling for 3 or 4 seconds on something the algorithm grabs onto that data point even though I may have just looked long enough to see what it was and decided I didn't care about it. It looks like they try to suggest about 10 new groups near the top of my feed and after I scroll past that they give up and just show me things from friends or pages I follow with a handful of sponsored posts mixed in.

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« Reply #773 on: August 22, 2023, 02:42:55 PM »
Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

My FB feed in the last few months is a bunch of pages about stuff like history and geography (which I am interested in) interspersed with random "entertainment" pages (All Things British Royals, People Incorrectly Correcting Other People, Super News Supes, etc.) that are dumb stuff I don't care about. I rarely get any ads (might be because I'm on a desktop and haven't had FB installed on a phone in 5-10 years). And the remaining 30-40% is posts from people I actually know or a handful of groups/pages I do follow.

I think their algorithm is really struggling since I interact with so little on FB - I mainly go to check a couple of private groups about business stuff and see if any real people I know posted anything in the last week or so. So when I stop scrolling for 3 or 4 seconds on something the algorithm grabs onto that data point even though I may have just looked long enough to see what it was and decided I didn't care about it. It looks like they try to suggest about 10 new groups near the top of my feed and after I scroll past that they give up and just show me things from friends or pages I follow with a handful of sponsored posts mixed in.

I hate to say it, but those "random" things? They're probably ads.

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« Reply #774 on: August 22, 2023, 04:54:45 PM »
There's a big overlap between the people who spend their time gaming or fucking around on the internet all day and the people who are susceptible to claims that minorities/women/their democracy are oppressing them. 

For such people to believe the truth would involve self-accountability, and nobody's a fan of that.

Yes, I understand the overlap, I've never wondered why it's both alt-right/conspiracy and gaming shit. What I don't understand is why *I* am getting any of these things, out of nowhere after many, many years of never ever seeing anything of the sort. It's fucking weird.

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« Reply #775 on: August 23, 2023, 07:50:26 PM »
Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

My FB feed in the last few months is a bunch of pages about stuff like history and geography (which I am interested in) interspersed with random "entertainment" pages (All Things British Royals, People Incorrectly Correcting Other People, Super News Supes, etc.) that are dumb stuff I don't care about. I rarely get any ads (might be because I'm on a desktop and haven't had FB installed on a phone in 5-10 years). And the remaining 30-40% is posts from people I actually know or a handful of groups/pages I do follow.

I think their algorithm is really struggling since I interact with so little on FB - I mainly go to check a couple of private groups about business stuff and see if any real people I know posted anything in the last week or so. So when I stop scrolling for 3 or 4 seconds on something the algorithm grabs onto that data point even though I may have just looked long enough to see what it was and decided I didn't care about it. It looks like they try to suggest about 10 new groups near the top of my feed and after I scroll past that they give up and just show me things from friends or pages I follow with a handful of sponsored posts mixed in.

I hate to say it, but those "random" things? They're probably ads.

No, there's no "Sponsored" tag on any of them. They're all FB groups and there's a message above each one that says "suggested for you".

I just scrolled my FB feed for a few minutes and I got two ads and zero of these suggested groups.

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« Reply #776 on: August 23, 2023, 08:27:33 PM »
Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

My FB feed in the last few months is a bunch of pages about stuff like history and geography (which I am interested in) interspersed with random "entertainment" pages (All Things British Royals, People Incorrectly Correcting Other People, Super News Supes, etc.) that are dumb stuff I don't care about. I rarely get any ads (might be because I'm on a desktop and haven't had FB installed on a phone in 5-10 years). And the remaining 30-40% is posts from people I actually know or a handful of groups/pages I do follow.

I think their algorithm is really struggling since I interact with so little on FB - I mainly go to check a couple of private groups about business stuff and see if any real people I know posted anything in the last week or so. So when I stop scrolling for 3 or 4 seconds on something the algorithm grabs onto that data point even though I may have just looked long enough to see what it was and decided I didn't care about it. It looks like they try to suggest about 10 new groups near the top of my feed and after I scroll past that they give up and just show me things from friends or pages I follow with a handful of sponsored posts mixed in.

I hate to say it, but those "random" things? They're probably ads.

No, there's no "Sponsored" tag on any of them. They're all FB groups and there's a message above each one that says "suggested for you".

I just scrolled my FB feed for a few minutes and I got two ads and zero of these suggested groups.

Speaking as someone who runs FB ads… they don’t always have a “sponsored” tag. You would be surprised how many things are ads on FB.

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« Reply #777 on: August 24, 2023, 08:10:05 AM »
Just a reminder that "FB Purity" is a browser extension that eliminates advertising and alot of the FB BS. Works on Linux, Windows and Mac. I heard about it here at MMM.

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« Reply #778 on: August 24, 2023, 12:56:52 PM »
Oh, I totally understand why I'm getting gamer sites along with my alt-right/conspiracy sites. That's not what I find weird, what I find weird is that I'm getting these sites all over my FB all of a sudden after many, many years of never seeing them before.

I am the very last person who wants to see this shit and I have no one in my friends group who is into this stuff. It's really weird that I'm suddenly flooded with it out of nowhere and it's not going away no matter how many pages and people I block.

If I block one, I'll get a nearly identical one with a nearly identical name, and so on and so forth with endless pages with similar names and similar content. No matter what I do, the AI seems to just refuse to believe that I don't want this crap in my feed.

My FB feed in the last few months is a bunch of pages about stuff like history and geography (which I am interested in) interspersed with random "entertainment" pages (All Things British Royals, People Incorrectly Correcting Other People, Super News Supes, etc.) that are dumb stuff I don't care about. I rarely get any ads (might be because I'm on a desktop and haven't had FB installed on a phone in 5-10 years). And the remaining 30-40% is posts from people I actually know or a handful of groups/pages I do follow.

I think their algorithm is really struggling since I interact with so little on FB - I mainly go to check a couple of private groups about business stuff and see if any real people I know posted anything in the last week or so. So when I stop scrolling for 3 or 4 seconds on something the algorithm grabs onto that data point even though I may have just looked long enough to see what it was and decided I didn't care about it. It looks like they try to suggest about 10 new groups near the top of my feed and after I scroll past that they give up and just show me things from friends or pages I follow with a handful of sponsored posts mixed in.

I hate to say it, but those "random" things? They're probably ads.

No, there's no "Sponsored" tag on any of them. They're all FB groups and there's a message above each one that says "suggested for you".

I just scrolled my FB feed for a few minutes and I got two ads and zero of these suggested groups.

Speaking as someone who runs FB ads… they don’t always have a “sponsored” tag. You would be surprised how many things are ads on FB.

True, I think increasing the reach of an organic post wouldn't include that tag compared to a normal direct response ad. Either way, not being on a mobile device and not interacting with FB ads I seem to have been put into a bucket by FB of a very low value prospect for advertising so they barely even bother to show me ads.


Taking it back to Twitter, I think I saw just a handful of ads in the year or so of scrolling through open-source intel accounts about the War in Ukraine via a browser. They certainly weren't making any money off me at that time.

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« Reply #779 on: September 18, 2023, 06:44:28 PM »
Jeebus fucking Christ.

Y'know you're losing it when totally unprompted you start blaming your business failure on the Jews. But he's not antisemitic, it's just that the Jews really do have secret powers and have been conspiring to take him down. But believing that isn't antisemitic and how dare you even suggest that! It's not racist to perpetuate insane conspiracy theories about George Soros' intention to destroy western civilization either!

IT'S NOT RACISM IF ITS TRUE GUYS!!!

You can't make this shit up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/opinion/elon-musk-adl.html



Lol, hey, does everyone remember when Musk started hanging out with Kanye and everyone was like "whoa dude, maybe don't hang out with the crazy guy with all of the offensive conspiracy theories." Turns out they were competing for the title.

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« Reply #780 on: September 18, 2023, 07:39:31 PM »
I can say with certainty that I'll never own a Tesla.

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« Reply #781 on: September 18, 2023, 07:47:34 PM »
Judging from the various bizarre topics musk has sprouted off about recently, it's looking increasingly like he's gone down the QAnon rabbit hole. If not full Q, then certainly Q adjacent. I'm just waiting for him to start talking about lizard people and adrenochrome.

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« Reply #782 on: September 18, 2023, 07:52:50 PM »
Lol, hey, does everyone remember when Musk started hanging out with Kanye and everyone was like "whoa dude, maybe don't hang out with the crazy guy with all of the offensive conspiracy theories." Turns out they were competing for the title.

Yep.  Some strong similarities.  Their past success have gifted them with amazingly large egos that don't allow them to think critically about how stupid they sound to normal people.   

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« Reply #783 on: September 18, 2023, 07:59:27 PM »
You can't make this shit up.

Between that and the latest Truth Social posted update from its inglorious criminal in chief that was literally released during Rosh Hashanah, reading, and I quote...
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Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let's hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!
...I'm feeling mighty uncomfortable. I'm not even Jewish, but I have ties and connections with the local Jewish community in my city, and I know the shockwaves of concern rippling through them right now. There is a pit in my stomach that just leaves me on edge.

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« Reply #784 on: September 18, 2023, 08:02:00 PM »
You can't make this shit up.

Between that and the latest Truth Social posted update from its inglorious criminal in chief that was literally released during Rosh Hashanah, reading, and I quote...
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Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let's hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!
...I'm feeling mighty uncomfortable. I'm not even Jewish, but I have ties and connections with the local Jewish community in my city, and I know the shockwaves of concern rippling through them right now. There is a pit in my stomach that just leaves me on edge.

I am Jewish, and I can confidently say that my only superpower is having rare genetic conditions and racists giving me way too much credit for influence that I don't have.

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« Reply #785 on: September 18, 2023, 08:08:24 PM »
You can't make this shit up.

Between that and the latest Truth Social posted update from its inglorious criminal in chief that was literally released during Rosh Hashanah, reading, and I quote...
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Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let's hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!
...I'm feeling mighty uncomfortable. I'm not even Jewish, but I have ties and connections with the local Jewish community in my city, and I know the shockwaves of concern rippling through them right now. There is a pit in my stomach that just leaves me on edge.

I am Jewish, and I can confidently say that my only superpower is having rare genetic conditions and racists giving me way too much credit for influence that I don't have.

Sounds about right. The closest I've ever witnessed to superpowers on my end is the ability to lift a Torah scroll without tearing it, fasting a half dozen times a year, and figuring out how to get a hair clip to fasten a kippah to less than half an inch of hair. How this somehow translates to world domination is beyond me.

Seriously, though... the rise in high profile antisemitism lately is starting to get a little nuts.
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« Reply #786 on: September 18, 2023, 08:32:51 PM »
I can say with certainty that I'll never own a Tesla.
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« Reply #787 on: September 18, 2023, 10:11:39 PM »
Given that Musk thinks its fine to use a person's deadname, I guess he won't be surprised when people continue to use "X"'s deadname, twitter.    /s

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« Reply #788 on: September 19, 2023, 05:50:26 AM »
You can't make this shit up.

Between that and the latest Truth Social posted update from its inglorious criminal in chief that was literally released during Rosh Hashanah, reading, and I quote...
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Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let's hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!
...I'm feeling mighty uncomfortable. I'm not even Jewish, but I have ties and connections with the local Jewish community in my city, and I know the shockwaves of concern rippling through them right now. There is a pit in my stomach that just leaves me on edge.

I am Jewish, and I can confidently say that my only superpower is having rare genetic conditions and racists giving me way too much credit for influence that I don't have.

Sounds about right. The closest I've ever witnessed to superpowers on my end is the ability to lift a Torah scroll without tearing it, fasting a half dozen times a year, and figuring out how to get a hair clip to fasten a kippah to less than half an inch of hair. How this somehow translates to world domination is beyond me.

Seriously, though... the rise in high profile antisemitism lately is starting to get a little nuts.

It's fucking crazy. And it's just...okay.

I mean yeah, some deals get squashed, and some mean articles are written, but there's less fuss made about it than there was about Florence Pugh's gall of having small breasts and showing her nipples.

People are saying shit literally straight from the Hitler playbook and folks are like "oh Elon, tell us more about Mars you silly nut."

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« Reply #789 on: September 19, 2023, 07:44:24 AM »
You can't make this shit up.

Between that and the latest Truth Social posted update from its inglorious criminal in chief that was literally released during Rosh Hashanah, reading, and I quote...
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Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed false narratives! Let's hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!
...I'm feeling mighty uncomfortable. I'm not even Jewish, but I have ties and connections with the local Jewish community in my city, and I know the shockwaves of concern rippling through them right now. There is a pit in my stomach that just leaves me on edge.

I am Jewish, and I can confidently say that my only superpower is having rare genetic conditions and racists giving me way too much credit for influence that I don't have.

Sounds about right. The closest I've ever witnessed to superpowers on my end is the ability to lift a Torah scroll without tearing it, fasting a half dozen times a year, and figuring out how to get a hair clip to fasten a kippah to less than half an inch of hair. How this somehow translates to world domination is beyond me.

Seriously, though... the rise in high profile antisemitism lately is starting to get a little nuts.

It's fucking crazy. And it's just...okay.

I mean yeah, some deals get squashed, and some mean articles are written, but there's less fuss made about it than there was about Florence Pugh's gall of having small breasts and showing her nipples.

People are saying shit literally straight from the Hitler playbook and folks are like "oh Elon, tell us more about Mars you silly nut."

Between the secret space lasers and controlling all the world's financial systems it's weird that you guys keep letting these people say this stuff.  I appreciate your dedication to preserving free speech.  :P

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« Reply #790 on: September 19, 2023, 08:34:20 AM »
Between the secret space lasers and controlling all the world's financial systems it's weird that you guys keep letting these people say this stuff.  I appreciate your dedication to preserving free speech.  :P

Trust me, it's a major point of contention at our annual general Illuminati meetings.

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« Reply #791 on: September 19, 2023, 08:36:38 AM »
And the trouble with repeating this crap in the media is people become inured to it. I’ve had to explain to my grown kids, for example, that it IS antisemitic to “observe” that “Jewish people control media/Hollywood/banks.” Sort of like the recent Dave Chappelle line on the topic, saying that “you can’t say” that there sure are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. You can say whatever you like, Dave. But ask yourself what exactly it is you’re trying to say.

Because, what utility does this “information” have (were it even true)? Men “control” the construction industry, for example, and certain ethnicities got a foothold in some industry and kept it. Is that due to a nefarious cabal or tradition or ability or a combination of factors? Are there exclusionary practices that keep women out of the CEO suite and white guys under 6 feet out of the NBA? Sure, but there used to be many more.

Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!

(Sorry for the shouting, just got some bad news, channeling rage via Internet LOL).

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« Reply #792 on: September 19, 2023, 09:42:38 AM »
And the trouble with repeating this crap in the media is people become inured to it. I’ve had to explain to my grown kids, for example, that it IS antisemitic to “observe” that “Jewish people control media/Hollywood/banks.” Sort of like the recent Dave Chappelle line on the topic, saying that “you can’t say” that there sure are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. You can say whatever you like, Dave. But ask yourself what exactly it is you’re trying to say.

Because, what utility does this “information” have (were it even true)? Men “control” the construction industry, for example, and certain ethnicities got a foothold in some industry and kept it. Is that due to a nefarious cabal or tradition or ability or a combination of factors? Are there exclusionary practices that keep women out of the CEO suite and white guys under 6 feet out of the NBA? Sure, but there used to be many more.

Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!
...

It is apophenia - the experience of a more or less profound insight as a response to BS.

MAGA and other fascist movements ultimately are part of an ongoing epidemic of apophenia that has pushed many into (literal) psychosis:


When the human tendency to detect patterns goes too far

‘Apophenia’ is reflected in pleasant and troubling experiences alike – from seeing faces in clouds to conspiracy beliefs
Shayla Love 19 SEPTEMBER 2023


Seeing connections all around you can also be predictive of belief in conspiracy theories and the supernatural, a study from 2017 suggested. People who tend to see patterns where there are none, such as in random coin tosses or certain kinds of abstract paintings, are more likely to believe in well-known conspiracy theories, says Karen Douglas, professor of social psychology at the University of Kent. And, apophenia might make you more susceptible to what researchers call ‘pseudo-profound bullshit’: meaningless statements designed to appear profound. Timothy Bainbridge, a postdoc at the University of Melbourne, gives an example: ‘Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena.’ It’s a syntactically correct but vague and ultimately meaningless sentence. Bainbridge considers belief in pseudo-profound bullshit a particular instance of apophenia. To find it significant, one has to perceive a pattern in something that is actually made of fluff, and at the same time lack the ability to notice that it is actually not meaningful.

https://psyche.co/ideas/when-the-human-tendency-to-detect-patterns-goes-too-far

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« Reply #793 on: September 19, 2023, 09:43:57 AM »
And the trouble with repeating this crap in the media is people become inured to it. I’ve had to explain to my grown kids, for example, that it IS antisemitic to “observe” that “Jewish people control media/Hollywood/banks.” Sort of like the recent Dave Chappelle line on the topic, saying that “you can’t say” that there sure are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. You can say whatever you like, Dave. But ask yourself what exactly it is you’re trying to say.

Because, what utility does this “information” have (were it even true)? Men “control” the construction industry, for example, and certain ethnicities got a foothold in some industry and kept it. Is that due to a nefarious cabal or tradition or ability or a combination of factors? Are there exclusionary practices that keep women out of the CEO suite and white guys under 6 feet out of the NBA? Sure, but there used to be many more.

Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!

(Sorry for the shouting, just got some bad news, channeling rage via Internet LOL).

Rage away.  I just saw some short on youtube where some guy says that your relationship will improve if the man does all the driving instead of his wife driving.  Are you a not-manly-man if your wife drives?   Weird.

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« Reply #794 on: September 19, 2023, 09:47:08 AM »
X-Man said revenue is down 60%, and complaining about bots, so his solution is to start charging all users, because bots would have to use a new credit card. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/19/musk-x-twitter-charge-all-users-monthly-subscription-fees

He said this in the presence of the Jewish PM of Israel, another RWNJ. Musk has made several disturbing comments about Jews: https://forward.com/news/550035/elon-musk-disturbing-comments-jews/

Meanwhile, close to half of his some 90M followers are bots: https://time.com/6171726/elon-musk-fake-followers/

Is he going to eliminate his "follower bots", or give them a free pass? Because we know he ain't gonna personally pay, unless he's using other people's money.

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« Reply #795 on: September 19, 2023, 10:32:43 AM »
Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!
What's interesting is that any self-help book will tell you that to be more effective you need to quit whining and to quit using other people as excuses. If you believe multi-millionaires and billionaires are in some ways more functional and productive than the rest of us, then you would expect them to be the most self-accountable, like the self-help books say.

Instead, we see several people with elite levels of wealth using the less wealthy as an excuse for their dissatisfaction, playing childish games with name-calling and tribalism, and generally thinking more like dysfunctional people.

Possibilities:

1) It's less about how they actually think and more about how their audience responds. In this light, Musk is like a gangsta rapper or a country music singer, spewing instructions on how to be dysfunctional to an audience which likes exactly that message. They don't have to agree people should live or think in the way advocated by their entertainment - they're just trying to be popular.

2) It is no longer necessary to be functional when one is a rich venture capitalist. You don't have to make carefully considered decisions, cultivate a positive organizational culture, manage people successfully, or reverse course when the results debunk expectations. You have managers and executives employed to do such things for you, and it is impossible for the money to ever run out. With nothing left to do, the world becomes a playground, the people and institutions around you become toys, and the mind is allowed to devolve to a childish and impulsive way of thinking. An increasing level of competency is required to reach the elite levels of business performance until one reaches the point where competency suddenly doesn't matter at all.

3) Selection bias means we only hear from the billionaires or millionaires who are the most viral internet users. Anyone who spends hours on Twitter or whatnot is probably not using their time effectively, per the performance improvement books and common sense. So the people contributing the most content on the social internet are probably the least effective or least self-accountable people. Thus, among the rich and famous, we'll necessarily only see social media posts from the absolute most dysfunctional people in that population. The more functional 99.9% of executives are busy doing more productive things and thinking in a self-accountable way.

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« Reply #796 on: September 19, 2023, 10:55:09 AM »
Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!
What's interesting is that any self-help book will tell you that to be more effective you need to quit whining and to quit using other people as excuses. If you believe multi-millionaires and billionaires are in some ways more functional and productive than the rest of us, then you would expect them to be the most self-accountable, like the self-help books say.

Instead, we see several people with elite levels of wealth using the less wealthy as an excuse for their dissatisfaction, playing childish games with name-calling and tribalism, and generally thinking more like dysfunctional people.

Possibilities:

1) It's less about how they actually think and more about how their audience responds. In this light, Musk is like a gangsta rapper or a country music singer, spewing instructions on how to be dysfunctional to an audience which likes exactly that message. They don't have to agree people should live or think in the way advocated by their entertainment - they're just trying to be popular.

2) It is no longer necessary to be functional when one is a rich venture capitalist. You don't have to make carefully considered decisions, cultivate a positive organizational culture, manage people successfully, or reverse course when the results debunk expectations. You have managers and executives employed to do such things for you, and it is impossible for the money to ever run out. With nothing left to do, the world becomes a playground, the people and institutions around you become toys, and the mind is allowed to devolve to a childish and impulsive way of thinking. An increasing level of competency is required to reach the elite levels of business performance until one reaches the point where competency suddenly doesn't matter at all.

3) Selection bias means we only hear from the billionaires or millionaires who are the most viral internet users. Anyone who spends hours on Twitter or whatnot is probably not using their time effectively, per the performance improvement books and common sense. So the people contributing the most content on the social internet are probably the least effective or least self-accountable people. Thus, among the rich and famous, we'll necessarily only see social media posts from the absolute most dysfunctional people in that population. The more functional 99.9% of executives are busy doing more productive things and thinking in a self-accountable way.

You're equating business success with general success.

It's often takes a fucking deranged psyche to become extraordinarily successful in business.

I personally have walked away from business deals that would have made me phenomenally wealthy because I knew they would horribly erode my general quality of life and sense of well being.

I read a great piece that I think I posted about earlier outlining Musk's batshit crazy server move and the deranged reasoning behind it. How his other companies have had to learn from the beginning how to manage him and his maniacal urgency, how to drip feed him information so that he doesn't hear anything as a "no."

To be as successful as Musk, you have to be rather unhinged and have a poor relationship with personal responsibility, otherwise you would have the common sense to listen to smarter people who tell you no.

The judgement error is assuming that this is how to be successful. It isn't, most of the time this type of pathology will lead to failure, but on rare occasions, an absolutely batshit crazy person will strike the exact right combination of bold moves and outperform everyone else because they are incapable of understanding their own limitations and obstacles.

Pair the right kind of crazy with the right kind of clever at the right time in history and you get spectacular results...at least for awhile.

Some of these fucking lunatics learn over time, get humbled, and are forced to refine their perspectives and approaches as the stakes they've created for themselves get bigger: see Bill Gates, a notorious fucking psychopath who learned to play better with others.

Unfortunately, Musk's business success has actually amplified his mental issues and as the stakes get bigger, he's doubling down harder on the more radical aspects of his approach that have worked for him in the past.

Early business success actually selects for fucking deranged folk with mental health issues. Most sane folks aren't willing to go through what the path to major success takes from you, and aren't willing to take the extraordinary risk of failure along the way.

It almost takes a delusional sense of self to even be willing to take such huge bets on oneself, because the chances are that you will not succeed.

As much as there is brilliance and hard work behind success, there is also an enormous element of luck and timing.

One thing that has stood out to me in studying history is that almost all great accomplishments of note in humankind could have easily just been the ramblings of crazy people had the circumstances been a bit different.

You have to understand society's losers to really grasp how many of them are not meaningfully different from society's winners.

It's just that the losers are seen as nuts and the winners are seen as visionaries in retrospect, but A LOT of ideas of the losers were just as plausible as the ideas of the winners.

That's not to say that all crazy folks could be great successes, obviously not. But for every Musk, there's someone just as smart, just as driven, just as creative, just as willing to take insane chances, working with just as much of a clue about what could be accomplished, and who didn't manage to make anything work out and probably lost everything along the way.

And for each of those types, there are more who are just as smart, just as driven, but have the self-preservation instinct to take fewer impossible risks and just live a more normal life of some high accomplishment at a more reasonable scale.

Musk isn't crazy despite being successful, his success is largely a product of him being fucking crazy.

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« Reply #797 on: September 19, 2023, 11:05:19 AM »
Above all, I AM SICK & TIRED OF billionaires blaming people far less powerful than them! What kind of manly man walks around whining and name-calling and blaming???!!!! WTF!!!!
What's interesting is that any self-help book will tell you that to be more effective you need to quit whining and to quit using other people as excuses. If you believe multi-millionaires and billionaires are in some ways more functional and productive than the rest of us, then you would expect them to be the most self-accountable, like the self-help books say.

Instead, we see several people with elite levels of wealth using the less wealthy as an excuse for their dissatisfaction, playing childish games with name-calling and tribalism, and generally thinking more like dysfunctional people.

Possibilities:

1) It's less about how they actually think and more about how their audience responds. In this light, Musk is like a gangsta rapper or a country music singer, spewing instructions on how to be dysfunctional to an audience which likes exactly that message. They don't have to agree people should live or think in the way advocated by their entertainment - they're just trying to be popular.

2) It is no longer necessary to be functional when one is a rich venture capitalist. You don't have to make carefully considered decisions, cultivate a positive organizational culture, manage people successfully, or reverse course when the results debunk expectations. You have managers and executives employed to do such things for you, and it is impossible for the money to ever run out. With nothing left to do, the world becomes a playground, the people and institutions around you become toys, and the mind is allowed to devolve to a childish and impulsive way of thinking. An increasing level of competency is required to reach the elite levels of business performance until one reaches the point where competency suddenly doesn't matter at all.

3) Selection bias means we only hear from the billionaires or millionaires who are the most viral internet users. Anyone who spends hours on Twitter or whatnot is probably not using their time effectively, per the performance improvement books and common sense. So the people contributing the most content on the social internet are probably the least effective or least self-accountable people. Thus, among the rich and famous, we'll necessarily only see social media posts from the absolute most dysfunctional people in that population. The more functional 99.9% of executives are busy doing more productive things and thinking in a self-accountable way.

You're equating business success with general success.

It's often takes a fucking deranged psyche to become extraordinarily successful in business.

I personally have walked away from business deals that would have made me phenomenally wealthy because I knew they would horribly erode my general quality of life and sense of well being.

I read a great piece that I think I posted about earlier outlining Musk's batshit crazy server move and the deranged reasoning behind it. How his other companies have had to learn from the beginning how to manage him and his maniacal urgency, how to drip feed him information so that he doesn't hear anything as a "no."

To be as successful as Musk, you have to be rather unhinged and have a poor relationship with personal responsibility, otherwise you would have the common sense to listen to smarter people who tell you no.

The judgement error is assuming that this is how to be successful. It isn't, most of the time this type of pathology will lead to failure, but on rare occasions, an absolutely batshit crazy person will strike the exact right combination of bold moves and outperform everyone else because they are incapable of understanding their own limitations and obstacles.

Pair the right kind of crazy with the right kind of clever at the right time in history and you get spectacular results...at least for awhile.

Some of these fucking lunatics learn over time, get humbled, and are forced to refine their perspectives and approaches as the stakes they've created for themselves get bigger: see Bill Gates, a notorious fucking psychopath who learned to play better with others.

Unfortunately, Musk's business success has actually amplified his mental issues and as the stakes get bigger, he's doubling down harder on the more radical aspects of his approach that have worked for him in the past.

Early business success actually selects for fucking deranged folk with mental health issues. Most sane folks aren't willing to go through what the path to major success takes from you, and aren't willing to take the extraordinary risk of failure along the way.

It almost takes a delusional sense of self to even be willing to take such huge bets on oneself, because the chances are that you will not succeed.

As much as there is brilliance and hard work behind success, there is also an enormous element of luck and timing.

One thing that has stood out to me in studying history is that almost all great accomplishments of note in humankind could have easily just been the ramblings of crazy people had the circumstances been a bit different.

You have to understand society's losers to really grasp how many of them are not meaningfully different from society's winners.

It's just that the losers are seen as nuts and the winners are seen as visionaries in retrospect, but A LOT of ideas of the losers were just as plausible as the ideas of the winners.

That's not to say that all crazy folks could be great successes, obviously not. But for every Musk, there's someone just as smart, just as driven, just as creative, just as willing to take insane chances, working with just as much of a clue about what could be accomplished, and who didn't manage to make anything work out and probably lost everything along the way.

And for each of those types, there are more who are just as smart, just as driven, but have the self-preservation instinct to take fewer impossible risks and just live a more normal life of some high accomplishment at a more reasonable scale.

Musk isn't crazy despite being successful, his success is largely a product of him being fucking crazy.
That's an interesting point. Sort of like how the only people who play the lottery are the ones who are bad at math or bad at money.

It takes bad judgement to win the lottery and become rich. So, yes, if we have biographers and psychologists-from-afar study the habits of the most successful lotto players and write books about how to be like them, that approach would seemingly ignore the hundreds of thousands of other lotto players who not only lost, but also lack the skills and judgement to achieve "general success". Given the odds of ruin, no rational person with all the information would choose to be like the lotto players.

Similarly, I've met a lot of workaholics with a chip on their shoulder and a dream who never reached their objectives. They can only conclude they somehow did it wrong, but the odds were never in their favor.

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« Reply #798 on: September 19, 2023, 12:38:46 PM »


It is apophenia - the experience of a more or less profound insight as a response to BS.

MAGA and other fascist movements ultimately are part of an ongoing epidemic of apophenia that has pushed many into (literal) psychosis:


When the human tendency to detect patterns goes too far

‘Apophenia’ is reflected in pleasant and troubling experiences alike – from seeing faces in clouds to conspiracy beliefs
Shayla Love 19 SEPTEMBER 2023


This reminded me of this gem: http://wisdomofchopra.com/

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Re: Twitter
« Reply #799 on: September 19, 2023, 02:01:01 PM »


It is apophenia - the experience of a more or less profound insight as a response to BS.

MAGA and other fascist movements ultimately are part of an ongoing epidemic of apophenia that has pushed many into (literal) psychosis:


When the human tendency to detect patterns goes too far

‘Apophenia’ is reflected in pleasant and troubling experiences alike – from seeing faces in clouds to conspiracy beliefs
Shayla Love 19 SEPTEMBER 2023


This reminded me of this gem: http://wisdomofchopra.com/

Funny - and to think that LLMs like ChatGPT are relying on apophenia as well is even funnier:


On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?

Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major, and Shmargaret Shmitchell. 2021. On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language
Models Be Too Big? . In Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency (FAccT ’21), March 3–10, 2021, Virtual Event, Canada. ACM, New
York, NY, USA, 14 pages. https://doi.org/10.1145/3442188.3445922


Furthermore, the tendency of human interlocutors to impute
meaning where there is none can mislead both NLP researchers
and the general public into taking synthetic text as meaningful.
Combined with the ability of LMs to pick up on both subtle biases
and overtly abusive language patterns in training data, this leads
to risks of harms, including encountering derogatory language and
experiencing discrimination at the hands of others who reproduce
racist, sexist, ableist, extremist or other harmful ideologies reinforced
through interactions with synthetic language. We explore
these potential harms in §6 and potential paths forward in §7.


https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3442188.3445922?uuid=f2qngt2LcFCbgtaZ2024

 

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