Yet another IT recruiter that can't speak English...

[Bearded Man]

This is getting ridiculous. Another one just called me. I could not understand 3/4 of what he was saying. He said the name of his company EIGHT times in the first minute, while I tried to direct him to email me the info instead. He promised it would only take 20 seconds. I told him it has already been more than 20 seconds and I can't understand what he is saying at all, directed him to email me the info. I'm not even sure he was a recruiter, he said "W2"  and "first of the year".

This is getting really aggravating...

[Landlord2015]

I have had headhunters that have called me. My problem is more that usually they suggest some job that is very far away from my country and rarely would I be interested to move on short notice.

IT is going DOWN in Finland(Europe) my country it has huge IT unemployment.

I have accepted during my career a couple of headhunter jobs and they turned ok so I would not say headhunters are bad people they do their best. As for their English language skills it varies.

[Yankuba]

I have had headhunters that have called me. My problem is more that usually they suggest some job that is very far away from my country and rarely would I be interested to move on short notice.

IT is going DOWN in Finland(Europe) my country it has huge IT unemployment.

I have accepted during my career a couple of headhunter jobs and they turned ok so I would not say headhunters are bad people they do their best. As for their English language skills it varies.

I am curious to know why there is so much IT unemployment in Finland.

[Landlord2015]

I have had headhunters that have called me. My problem is more that usually they suggest some job that is very far away from my country and rarely would I be interested to move on short notice.

IT is going DOWN in Finland(Europe) my country it has huge IT unemployment.

I have accepted during my career a couple of headhunter jobs and they turned ok so I would not say headhunters are bad people they do their best. As for their English language skills it varies.

I am curious to know why there is so much IT unemployment in Finland.

Because they have statistics about it and IT is one of the TOP unemployed fields in Finland. It has been in the news. For example my former HUGE employer whos name I will not say has had a habit to lay off 1000 people/year...

Microsoft laid of 1000+ IT people in Salo Finland this year 2015. I do work with parttime work, but that has nothing even remotely to do with IT! That said sometimes I can for a very small voluntary fee help relatives or other people if they have IT problems.

IT career is not over on the spring I might when fixed perfect new long term renters move abroad and get good IT work. I have done it before worked 2 years in Sweden with IT.

If you wanna know what kind of workers that get the red carpet in Finland then nurses and even more if you are a doctor. Nurses and doctors are highly wanted in Finland.

I regret that I did not become a doctor like my father, but at least I am a succesful landlord.

My sister followed my fathers footsteps and she has a good fulltime work that is well paid in a hospital.

In addition in Finland IT workers do not get so much paid as doctors even if talking about public doctors working for the community. Doctors get evening and nightshifts have to work overtime and certainly crystal clear earn more then IT workers in Finland.

[Vilgan]

When I moved to a new city where I didn't know anyone, I used Dice to get lots of eyes on my resume. This resulted in lots of great leads, but I also got a TON of headhunters with terrible English skills calling from outside my local area. What I ended up doing is just screening my calls if the caller area code wasn't local and then ignoring the messages from those who were clearly foreign headhunters with terrible English skills.

[Bearded Man]

I really love the blast emails where they have some 2 month contract in Akron Ohio or Fargo North Dakota, and they call and email incessantly about it. Then it turns into a debate; why would I leave my house and higher paying long term job to go live in North Dakota for 2 months for less money than I make now, and come back to what job here? Some of these east Indian recruiters must be the dumbest of the dumb. Couldn't make it in IT so they resort to call center style recruiting?

[Bearded Man]

When I moved to a new city where I didn't know anyone, I used Dice to get lots of eyes on my resume. This resulted in lots of great leads, but I also got a TON of headhunters with terrible English skills calling from outside my local area. What I ended up doing is just screening my calls if the caller area code wasn't local and then ignoring the messages from those who were clearly foreign headhunters with terrible English skills.

I've largely had to resort to this, but this number was from the same area code as where my team is located, so I suspected it was one of them, but it wasn't.

Sigh...Back to screening calls again. It's actually gotten so bad I don't even check my voice mail for weeks. This was I can just do a quick 1 minute delete of all these useless recruiters emails in broken English that I don't understand, for jobs that are 2 months in duration in some no name town somewhere in the world. Yeah, let me get right on that.

[bacchi]

I really love the blast emails where they have some 2 month contract in Akron Ohio or Fargo North Dakota, and they call and email incessantly about it. Then it turns into a debate; why would I leave my house and higher paying long term job to go live in North Dakota for 2 months for less money than I make now, and come back to what job here?

Ha. Yeah, those are annoying. Sometimes I ask for an outrageous rate that would compensate for moving expenses, hotel, and the short-term nature of the project. Half the time they reply, "That's too much. Would you consider <some crazy low rate like> $30/hr?" Good luck with that.

[Sibley]

Probably not much help, but if you're an IT auditor, move to Chicago and you can probably work for my company. That department can't keep people long - market's really competitive here apparently, and the rest of company really wants them too.

[Bearded Man]

Probably not much help, but if you're an IT auditor, move to Chicago and you can probably work for my company. That department can't keep people long - market's really competitive here apparently, and the rest of company really wants them too.

IT Auditor you say? Is it that the markets competitive and they are getting better offers elsewhere or that the IT Auditor role at the company sucks that bad?

[Blatant]

Oh, the horror. Someone who doesn't speak your language with the level of expertise you expect is calling to offer you a job that you apparently don't need. Whatever will we do? I know, let's post about it on the Internet.

First-world problem with third-world drama. Awesome.

[Sibley]

Probably not much help, but if you're an IT auditor, move to Chicago and you can probably work for my company. That department can't keep people long - market's really competitive here apparently, and the rest of company really wants them too.

IT Auditor you say? Is it that the markets competitive and they are getting better offers elsewhere or that the IT Auditor role at the company sucks that bad?

Since I'm at the same company, and work with those people, I don't think it's the work environment. From what I know, it's really that people with those skills are in that high of demand in the region. I've heard other companies are having the same problems with getting and keeping qualified staff. Plus, my department as a whole (internal audit) gets poached by the rest of the company fairly frequently, not just IT audit. Good problem to have I guess.

[Bearded Man]

So apparently this guy wasn't even a recruiter. It was some tax service or scam. Just awful.

[Bearded Man]

Oh, the horror. Someone who doesn't speak your language with the level of expertise you expect is calling to offer you a job that you apparently don't need. Whatever will we do? I know, let's post about it on the Internet.

First-world problem with third-world drama. Awesome.

I don't know why some people have such a hard time with basic critical thinking. I suppose it is unreasonable to expect people to be able to communicate effectively, in your opinion. Or is your myopic view that we should all learn every world language so that we can understand everyone else in their language when they live and work here? That it is unreasonable to expect someone, be it a recruiter or a telemarketer, to speak effectively so that you can understand them, without you having to speak to them in their language? I suppose you would lambast me for complaining that the person at the Jack in the Box can't take my order without a translator. 

[bigstack]

they are not calling to give you a job.
they are calling to disqualify you from a job or get you to say no to a job. or even just get you to hang up.
companies outsource recruitment to firms to claim they tried to hire an american but "they couldn't find one"... then turn around and hire a visa holder.

[Yankuba]

they are not calling to give you a job.
they are calling to disqualify you from a job or get you to say no to a job. or even just get you to hang up.
companies outsource recruitment to firms to claim they tried to hire an american but "they couldn't find one"... then turn around and hire a visa holder.

Devious. The H-1B program is a sin.

[Blatant]

What's your favorite meal at Jack in the Box? Perhaps they're recruiting IT professionals. Just a thought.

[nobodyspecial]

I don't mind them not speaking English - it's the ones that don't speak IT that are annoying.

"We are looking for someone who knows C/C++/C# AND Java". Why? Do you have a nightmare system that uses all of those or are you looking for somebody who knows one of them and will train them on whatever you are using?

We are looking for a "full stack developer" who knows Web design and SQL and testing frameworks

Or my favorite - which I was actually sent: "A startup" looking for  "PHP, mobile App development and GPGPU image processing"

[kendallf]

BM, judging from your various posts on this forum, if I were that recruiter and got you on the phone, I'd pretend I didn't speak English as well.

[2lazy2retire]

they are not calling to give you a job.
they are calling to disqualify you from a job or get you to say no to a job. or even just get you to hang up.
companies outsource recruitment to firms to claim they tried to hire an american but "they couldn't find one"... then turn around and hire a visa holder.

Devious. The H-1B program is a sin.

I got here on a H-1B, maybe I'll burn in hell, but in the meantime I'll continue to build the stash

[bigstack]

they are not calling to give you a job.
they are calling to disqualify you from a job or get you to say no to a job. or even just get you to hang up.
companies outsource recruitment to firms to claim they tried to hire an american but "they couldn't find one"... then turn around and hire a visa holder.

Devious. The H-1B program is a sin.

I got here on a H-1B, maybe I'll burn in hell, but in the meantime I'll continue to build the stash

Most people(or at least I) dont have an issue with people wanting to come here to improve their lives etc. heck if i lived in (insert country) i would want to come here also if it meant a better life.

our problem is that our government shouldn't be doing what it is doing. just to cater to corporations that want cheaper labor. Of course there will be replies that it isn't cheaper and that it does not lower wages in this country.... LOL ...if you believe that then you fell for their sales pitch. people that say this also believe the sales pitch that the the h1-b is only for the truly gifted the geniuses in their field, the exceptional and that it thus improves america.....LOL.

the people that came here and became citizens etc also ought to be against expansion of this program, as it will lower their wages as well. they ought to be for curtailment/restriction.

[GuitarStv]

Oh, the horror. Someone who doesn't speak your language with the level of expertise you expect is calling to offer you a job that you apparently don't need. Whatever will we do? I know, let's post about it on the Internet.

First-world problem with third-world drama. Awesome.

It's kinda odd when someone is telemarketing (only requirement for job is ability to communicate over a phone) and doesn't have even a basic grasp of the language of the place that is being called.  About 80% of the telemarketers who call our house have accents so thick that it's nearly impossible to understand them.

[Bearded Man]

Oh, the horror. Someone who doesn't speak your language with the level of expertise you expect is calling to offer you a job that you apparently don't need. Whatever will we do? I know, let's post about it on the Internet.

First-world problem with third-world drama. Awesome.

It's kinda odd when someone is telemarketing (only requirement for job is ability to communicate over a phone) and doesn't have even a basic grasp of the language of the place that is being called.  About 80% of the telemarketers who call our house have accents so thick that it's nearly impossible to understand them.

Some people, like the guy who attacked me, just can't grasp basic concepts like this. Everything becomes an issue of race for them.

[Bearded Man]

BM, judging from your various posts on this forum, if I were that recruiter and got you on the phone, I'd pretend I didn't speak English as well.

Judging by your personal attack on me, because some guy who lacks basic common sense, thinks it's unreasonable for me to expect a telemarketer or recruiter to be able to communicate coherently in the language of the country I live in, I really don't care WHAT you think.

[bacchi]

Most people(or at least I) dont have an issue with people wanting to come here to improve their lives etc. heck if i lived in (insert country) i would want to come here also if it meant a better life.

our problem is that our government shouldn't be doing what it is doing. just to cater to corporations that want cheaper labor.

Right. There's a youtube video of a presentation by a law firm about how to do this very thing: weed out US citizens so that the cheaper H-1b visa holders can be hired.

Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCbFEgFajGU#t=95

Salary collusion in IT is not a conspiracy theory.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-rejects-settlement-in-silicon-valley-wage-case-1407528633

There are also L-1 and B visa games that companies play.

[Zoot Allures]

BM, judging from your various posts on this forum, if I were that recruiter and got you on the phone, I'd pretend I didn't speak English as well.

Judging by your personal attack on me, because some guy who lacks basic common sense, thinks it's unreasonable for me to expect a telemarketer or recruiter to be able to communicate coherently in the language of the country I live in, I really don't care WHAT you think.

Dude, you just have an unpleasant way about you. That's going to get you flamed from time to time. I don't read these forums very carefully but it's been pretty easy to find evidence of your contempt for people: liberals, your own tenants, and now "dumb" "east Asians" who can't "speak English." Frankly, it's tiresome.

[Landlord2015]

BM, judging from your various posts on this forum, if I were that recruiter and got you on the phone, I'd pretend I didn't speak English as well.

Judging by your personal attack on me, because some guy who lacks basic common sense, thinks it's unreasonable for me to expect a telemarketer or recruiter to be able to communicate coherently in the language of the country I live in, I really don't care WHAT you think.

Dude, you just have an unpleasant way about you. That's going to get you flamed from time to time. I don't read these forums very carefully but it's been pretty easy to find evidence of your contempt for people: liberals, your own tenants, and now "dumb" "east Asians" who can't "speak English." Frankly, it's tiresome.

Well I don't know if you are familiar with my posts, but calling me liberal regarding refugee politics would be a huge lie. I have once in these forums mentioned my political party in Finland and it is second biggest party and they are in the government and very antiliberal towards refugees. Finland has 3 big parties in the goverment so of course the politics are a mix of what those 3 parties want.

In addition what people are in a party varies there are more radical people in my party that really hate refugees and not only for economical reasons. That said to this day I have found no evidence of NAZIs in my party and I don't think my party is even near so extremists as NAZIS.

As a teaser Finland was ALLIED with NAZI Germany during second world war. I also think the the TV series The Strain that has a cool NAZI Vampire is a cool good TV Serie. I am neither NAZI or racist, but I do support anti refugee politics.

That said I am in Europe and how you do in USA in not my decision or thing to say and your society is not so carebear socialistics so I think refugees don't take down USA economy.

Look I am a bit neutral since I have gotten good jobs through headhunters. I don't hate Asian or Indian people. In fact when looking for wife candidate I usually prefer White Caucasian or Asian.

That does not make me racist and I don't hate Obama the USA president. The American people will judge Obama if he is good or not for USA. I judge perhaps my own country's president and I am sure that most Europeans mostly think about their own country's politicians and president.

That said true story I was phone interviewed by an Indian to make technical knowledge test. I was forced more then once to say "Could you please repeat the question?" since I did not understand his Indian accent English.

Apparently the Indian recruiter was used to that since I passed and got that job.
Look what get on people's nerves is subjective. That said this headhunter vs IT worker has become a bit tangled and some people are more easily irritated. Finally true fact is that some headhunters that try to recuit they don't know anything about IT which of course sometimes is a problem.

[Blatant]

BM: It's not about whether or not you're a racist. It's about your overall tone and demeanor on this site. Now, clearly, I don't know what you're like in real life, though I suspect you manage to keep a lot of this type of thing to yourself in the real world where there can be consequences for actions.

The posts I've read of yours here have been pretty universally demeaning and mean-spirited toward other humans. The common denominator in all this is you.

Regardless, I'm done with this thread. I wish you luck in improving your life or at least enjoying it more than you appear to.