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Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« on: January 21, 2017, 12:13:35 PM »
I'm tempted by this option at work. I could have it any time I want. I work day shift now. I am a long long way from FI, lots of debt to pay off, lots of saving to do. The +25% is very tempting. At the same time, when I worked graveyards in the past I felt like a zombie some times and was in general less happy than I feel at this moment.

There are other benefits to night shift work as well. Generally less hectic and stressful work environment. Free meals at the cafeteria at midnight. No bosses around looking over your shoulder.

So: 25% (gross) more pay, less stress, free meals -vs- sleeping like a normal human being.

Which would you choose?

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2017, 12:21:59 PM »
No, not even for 50% more salary.  100% more salary... let me think about it.

My friend is a nurse who works graveyard shifts... pretty much 100% of the time he is not feeling well or always tired.  Not worth it to me at all.

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 12:26:22 PM »
I'm tempted by this option at work. I could have it any time I want. I work day shift now. I am a long long way from FI, lots of debt to pay off, lots of saving to do. The +25% is very tempting. At the same time, when I worked graveyards in the past I felt like a zombie some times and was in general less happy than I feel at this moment.

There are other benefits to night shift work as well. Generally less hectic and stressful work environment. Free meals at the cafeteria at midnight. No bosses around looking over your shoulder.

So: 25% (gross) more pay, less stress, free meals -vs- sleeping like a normal human being.

Which would you choose?

I think it depends on your life style and work environment. If it was me I would probably take it for the reasons I marked bold above.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 12:26:59 PM »
I did it for a few years and would not do it again. Winters were tolerable, summers were hell.

My mother work graveyard shift during WWII in Washington and loved it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 12:33:16 PM »
It looks like it is a nice opportunity for you to make extra money. Knocking out debt feels great.

1. Do you have a family and how will working nights impact them?

2. You mentioned that you worked it before. My experience with friends with night shifts is that to avoid that zombie/ sleep deprived life you need to be very disciplined in your routine.

3. If you go for it I suggest listing out your debts and setting goals with that extra money to knock them out.

4. Consider posting a case study and sharing your budget, savings, all debts etc. Include how much that extra 25% is and I am sure this crowd can come up with a plan to attack.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2017, 12:41:19 PM »
No, because I'd never see my kids and because I am a single parent. Aside from that I'd hate it and suspect I'd never get good sleep.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2017, 12:42:50 PM »
Personally? No, not unless it meant 'making it' vs not. The health impact just isn't worth it to me. It's quite possible I wouldn't do it at nearly any salary. Maybe 2-3x what I currently earn, I would do it for like 6 months.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2017, 12:45:41 PM »
I would do it if I had a specific financial goal in mind that the 25% increase income would concur.  For example If I need to work for 5 more years to be FIRE and can get there in 4 if I worked overnights.  That might be a decent option to buy yourself an extra year of freedom.

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2017, 12:45:59 PM »
Done it (for short, 1 month stretches, up to 12hr shift  and up to 7d/week ) for 4.5% of salary.   

I could not handle a rotating shift schedule though.

The 7d/week is wildly uncommon lately due to fatigue rules.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 01:35:16 PM »
Do you have a family?
What are the hours?
Are you disciplined enough to permanently set a sleep schedule.
When do you think you would sleep?
8:30 am to 2pm or 4pm to 11:30pm.
ie, sleep right after work or just before.

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 02:11:21 PM »
Back when I was single, I used to love third shift for many of the reasons outlined by the OP... less oversight, additional pay, etc. Plus, I've always been a night owl. If it were just me, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Now that I have littles and a wife, I would probably pass. I like curling up with my honey, even if she does have ice blocks for feet.

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2017, 02:24:32 PM »
I did it once for several months.  Nope.  Not again.  There was just no normal ever. 

And when I did it my "weekend" was Sunday/Monday ... so even the days when folks might actually be able to stay up late and socialize.... I wasn't around to do it.

And my last job before FIRE was with an ISP that had many, many late night maintenances and late night on-calls.  This was possibly even worse because you would have to flip flop back and forth between working a normal 8-5 job and doing a maintenance at 2am -- all the while trying to have enough brain power to do problem solving.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 02:34:24 PM »
My husband did it for about two years - he's been off that schedule for five, but it screwed up his sleep patterns in a way he's still dealing with today (and he was very militant about keeping the same schedule on weekends and holidays, so he wasn't even trying to switch back and forth, which is even harder). He was almost always sick, because it screwed up his immune system, and had a really hard time not gaining a lot of weight because if you're exhausted and can't sleep, your body demands energy from somewhere, and that somewhere is calories.

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Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 03:36:01 PM »
If you don't have a family and the money would be helpful then I say at least give it a try. I did shift work for 5 years while in college, mainly working evenings and nights at a pair of high stress jobs. What I learned is that naps are awesome (get up near a regular time but take a nap from 2-4) and I likely couldn't work that schedule nowadays as it's really rough on your body.


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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 03:42:36 PM »
OP, could you give us a little more to work with here? In real numbers, what's the 25% amount to? Do you have a spouse? Kid(s)? What would the actual hours be?

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 05:15:06 PM »
The lifestyle vs. increased income question! Good choice to have on your platter.

I would ask myself, "How much more money will I save each year?" (With the increased income, does that mean you'll pocket 25% more? Or will some of it be spent? I'm guessing stashed since your hanging our with the MMM crew.)

If that 25% increase in stashing is enticing enough, then I'd asked my boss if I could try it out for a month to see how I feel. Then at the end of the month I could compare the pros and cons and make a more data backed decision.

Cool opportunity, and I'd say give it a quick try! You're bosses will probably appreciate the offer to pick up the shift too. Some office equity in there. Good luck!

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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2017, 06:15:16 PM »
I have worked blue collar shift work in the oil and gas industry for 25 years now. My current schedule is "2 & 2", which means 2 weeks of 12 hour shifts followed by 2 weeks off. Every other 2 week "on shift" is nights, 6pm to 6 am. It helps (or doesn't) that my current work posting is at a work camp north of the arctic circle where the difference between day and night is seasonally fuzzy. I have worked similar shifts in Equatorial Guinea, Angola and Azerbaijan though, where they have more normal days and nights. I've joked that I've spent half of my life in a work prison and the other half on a nice vacation.

If you do work nights, Ambien is your friend. Black out your sleeping room windows and demand courtesy from anyone living in the same area.  It doesn't have to be a drag if you do some planning and have some discipline. It is nice to be away from bosses and drama on night shift. I'd give it a try.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 06:24:03 PM »
No, not even for 50% more salary.  100% more salary... let me think about it.

My friend is a nurse who works graveyard shifts... pretty much 100% of the time he is not feeling well or always tired.  Not worth it to me at all.

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I don't mind the night shift, but you have to figure out how to sleep. And I don't sleep as well as I did a few years ago. Depends on the person though and depends on the job. I've been at this one for almost a year now.

I view it as temporary. I wouldn't want to do this for the rest of my life but it was my foot in the door shift to take, and it was better than doing so many day night shift rotations so waiting until another shift opens up. If you can figure out how long you have to do it to meet your temporary financial goals, then it might work out, but I don't think it's good for a lot of people in the long run. That's why they pay more in the first place, because you're trading a few years off your life in the end to do it.

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 08:47:36 PM »
I would not. I have enough trouble with sleep as is.  I don't need to invite any more trouble.  Maybe back in my 20's when I was a total nightowl, I could've handled it.

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 10:18:03 PM »
I would do that in a heartbeat.

I've done it before, for me the major difference was I had to be a very disciplined sleeper with clearly defined sleeping times that I had to stick to consistently.  After a while I adjusted and it was fine.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 11:32:52 PM »
I have a base salary of 92k/year, and I work rotating shift work (2nd shift, 3rd shift, and 1st shift all within a 5 week rotation) for a 26% raise to base. So, yes, I would and have for 5 years. However, everybody's circumstances are obviously different. Your body adapts, but you have to do it right. I have many co-workers who do it wrong, and get 3-4 hours of sleep a night. I make sure I prioritize getting a good night's/day's sleep, and usually get 7-8 hours/day.

One very patient wife (who works a normal schedule) and an adorable 18 month old daughter. We make it work, but 2nd shift is definitely the hardest for me since I get to spend very little time with my daughter for those 7 days.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 11:38:45 PM »
No I would not. But of course, it depends upon your pay grade and whether or not you can change your mind and go back to days. How easy is that and if there is a waiting period. You said there is always openings on graveyard which seems to indicate the days are not that way.

BUT... I am at work doing just that, graveyards... in a sense but I get 5-6+ hrs of solid sleep a night. I mean actually being asleep. It's a long week -86 hrs of work  this week. Wed afternoon-Sun at 5pm (tomorrow) when I get off shift. I am only paid $12.50 per hr but I do a side hustle while on the clock here for 2 hrs of the shift (average) so it actually pays $15-16 per hr.  Employer pays me $12.50 (for gas costs) one way to work. Excellent Benefit package for such an easy job.
Everything plus alot more is done on my shift so they don't care what I do. Just so the work gets done

This week I work 86.5 hrs. Wed afternoon until tomorrow afternoon (Sun). Maybe a few hours more this week if they pay us for the 401k meeting this Wednesday. The Company just started offering a retirement plan- traditional 401k and Roth 401k w/ company matching at 4%..

I am in the Staff Room alone for about 8.5 hrs a night but it takes a while to fall asleep. It's a very comfy private bedroom so to speak, with a fridge and desk & internet. Temp controlled, always warm. Private bath w/private shower. When I finally fall asleep, I sleep better here than at home. Hope you update us on what you chose and if it worked out alright. Since you were tired before working graveyard, I feel nothing is going to change this go around. That is your body system clock. You're not a graveyard person
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2017, 12:15:44 AM »
I thank everyone for their thoughtful replies. The opinions seem all over the place, which is what I expected. I really appreciate hearing everyone's diverse points of view on the matter.

Some people asked for more info, so here it is:

I am 37. I am an RN in the Emergency Department. The night shift is 7pm to 7am, three days per week. The day shift, which I am currently on, is 7 am to 7 pm, three days per week.

I am a beginner at all of this. I have had bad habits in the past, and thus my stash is tiny. I still have $25K student debt, my pension if I took it as a lump sum today is worth $25K, I have $10K in tax deferred investments and hold $20K cash. I have ~$100K in home equity, and owe $230K on a mortgage, FWIW. So figure NW ~$130K including home equity.

My base wage is $46/hr. The night differential is actually not a percent, it's flat $11/hr. * 72 hrs/pay period * 26 pay periods/year = $20592 per year

My fiance is 32. She finishes nursing school in May, and will likely have no choice but to take nights at first, no telling how long. She has basically no assets and ~$100K of debt so combined NW we have barely $30K. I feel a lot of anxiety that we are not progressing quickly enough, but as she is still in school our expenses are high. Tuition, books, she's not working, and oh yeah we live 500 miles apart and try to see each other at least once a month. Lots of gas. That will all change in May.

We have no kids and are not planning to so I figure we need ~$1M. Kids do not factor into our scheduling. The night differential if we both were on nights would be $41K/yr so without any doubt it would take several years off of our working careers. But it also might take several years off of our lives.

We used to be allowed to work 6 days on, 8 days off which worked much better for the night shift because it halved the number of times you had to transition into and out of work mode. The administration banned this practice several years ago but since then there has been a changing of the guard and the new administration may at some point be open to allowing the practice again. None of the fatigue studies I could find showed any hazard with working 6 * 12 hour days in a row.

I am not someone who would maintain a strict sleeping schedule. If I was working 7p-7a I would likely sleep until three or four on my work days, and then sleep until noon on my days off. I like to do stuff outside while the sun is shining, but would be willing to sacrifice the mornings and stay up late at night on my days off - just not willing to stay up ALL night on my days off.

Compounding the issue is that my defined benefit pension is basically calculated as $(average yearly salary of my best three year stretch)*(%vested)*(years of service)/40.  So - clearly I have a lot to gain by having three really high paying years in a row. I get raises every year and cost of living increases so clearly the best window in which to do this would be the LAST three years of my career. I figure I am at least 15 years out.

My fiance will be on a different pension plan, a defined contribution plan where the employer stashes away I think it's 10% of your gross earnings every year in a trust that you can then access upon retirement. So SHE will have something to gain, pension-wise by maxing out her income EVERY year of her career.

We have access to a 457 plan which we can each contribute $18K/yr to. I have, as of Jan 1, maxed out my contribution in a dollar cost averaging sort of way, IE $632/pay period or whatever that works out to. My fiance will be at a much lower wage - her wage on nights might barely equal mine on days.

To me it seems a no-brainer that I should do nights as long as my fiancee is forced to do nights, from May til whenever, but it would be difficult to arrange it so that I could flip back at any time. In her department she may have to wait a while to be able to switch, and there would be no guarantee that we would be able to switch together. It also seems a no-brainer to me to go nights for the last three years of my career. What isn't so clear is what to do NOW. Go for the nights and do the best to build good practices on the bad schedule before we are both forced onto it? Or stick to days until my fiance joins me in the land of darkness?

Thanks again for the varied and interesting points of view. And thank you all for taking the time to post.

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 10:53:24 AM »
Yes.  I love night shifts.  I have to do a rotating 12 shift now, 6-6, but no night differential pay.  If I could do all nights with a differential?  I'd love my job even more.  However, even on my off time, I'm a night person.

I'm single, with one 19-year-old, so no one else is really affected by my schedule.  If I was in a relationship it might be harder, but if that person was also on nights?  No issues at all.

ETA: I may also be one of those rare people who sleeps much better when I work night shifts.  It seems to align more with what my body wants, which is to stay up really late and sleep in.  I can sleep from 7 am to 4 pm without problem.  When I work days, I have to get up by 4:30 am, but there is no way I can go to bed at 7 pm.  I end up in bed closer to 11 pm, almost cutting my sleep in half when I'm working a day shift.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2017, 11:17:11 AM »
Me? Wouldn't do it for even 100% pay increase. But my reasons have no direct impact/application to anybody else.

In my life, a proper sleep cycle, entrained to the sun is PRICELESS, no amount of money would convince me otherwise.

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2017, 11:27:46 AM »
I work in an ER and get an incentive for working the evening shift, which is usually 3pm-3am for me. I'm not a morning person so it works for me. No management around and coworkers are more relaxed. Granted I won't be married until September and don't have any kids.

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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2017, 12:27:08 PM »
Given your circumstances I would work nights for as long as your fiance/wife needs to.  I realize that you wouldn't be able to switch instantly to days, but would it be within a reasonable period of time?   Would you/she have any control over what days you work?  In other words would working nights really give you more time together?  Maybe I'm talking myself out of my initial recommendation. 

P.S. I thought medical folks didn't call the shift "graveyard".

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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2017, 01:32:59 PM »
Our scheduling is by seniority. She would be at the bottom of the totem pole, I would be in the middle. So I would likely be able to request to work the same days as she does. So yes, we would likely get more time together. And we would be awake/asleep at much the same time.

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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2017, 02:57:52 PM »
I've been working the night shift for over 9 years as a NICU nurse. I switched myself to part-time so am only obligated to do 2 12-hour shifts a week. I schedule myself 4 on 10 off. Because over-time is abundant where I work and I don't have restrictions on the amount of shifts in a row, I will do stretches where I just work like 10 shifts or so straight so I take advantage of the overtime pay, which essentially means I work less hours than full-time but get paid more in the long-term. Having 10 days off at a time without using vacation time gives me plenty of opportunity to enjoy the sun. Just sharing what I do and I know it depends on where you work and most people are turned off by that amount of working at a time. It works well for my unit because my patients stay for longer time periods so I feel like I know their care routine so much better. Good luck on your decision and just remember nurses have the best scheduling opportunities! :-)

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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2017, 03:18:31 PM »
I've worked graveyard shifts in the past and I would say don't do it.  It will mess you up, for life.  I thought I'd be immune but I still have sleep issues that all started when I did graveyard shift work. 

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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2017, 03:19:01 PM »
Thanks Kamille, your situation sounds ideal! I would love to work 4 on 10 off, that would be amazing. :)

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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2017, 08:19:42 PM »
So: 25% (gross) more pay, less stress, free meals -vs- sleeping like a normal human being.

Which would you choose?

At the moment I wouldn't do night shifts for more pay, but I am debt free and most of the way to FIRE. If I was deep in debt and a long way from FIRE I might well choose to do it. If I did do it I would have some specific goals to achieve so I maxed the benefit of this sacrifice. I would also have some deal breaker criteria that would let me know when I needed to stop.

If you can try it and then go back to days I would give it a shot. What do you have to lose?
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2017, 08:32:55 PM »
I wish I could go back to doing third shift. I did it for almost a year before moving on for other reasons. It was great, work through the night and have all day to do whatever I want. Also, traffic for the commute was non-existant... Well I saw all the stopped traffic but it was always going the other way. It takes some adjusting to, but totally worth it to not be doing what I do now... Go to work when it's dark and get home when it's dark. No time to do anything I actually enjoy doing outside for most of the year as it's dark and cold. That and always jet lagged and adjusting to whatever time zone I'm in. Easier to just get into a schedule.

Working nights takes a couple weeks to get used to and figure out what sleep schedule works well for you. I ended up sleeping twice per day during the work week, 2-3 hours after work and 4-5 hours before work. Worked great for me after about two weeks of just being dead tired all the time. I didn't get paid more for it, but it's a no brainer if it pays more.

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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2017, 08:37:48 PM »
OP what state do you work in? Lol, I am so underpaid. I'm basically making half of your salary and I also work nights as an RN. Our shift diff is 5 an hour. blah, I need to move asap. Also to answer your question, I've been on night shift for 6 years now and the difference is pretty big personality wise, at least in my unit on days vs. nights.

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2017, 09:23:24 PM »
I work nights for a 16% pay differential, (and a job). 6pm-6am. Been doing it for almost 5 years, 3/4 day work weeks. I'm looking at probably another ~3 years of this before completely changing life paths...

I hate it with every fiber of my being. The pay is nice(r), and as a temporary affair for the payoff it's somewhat close to worth it...(filling up retirement accounts, nest egg and travel funds)
But holy hell does everything about it suck. Trying to shift schedules to days to accomplish things sucks. Being up at nights on the days off sucks if you don't pull off the sleep shift.

You might get 4 days off the same as you do now, but subtract a day of that at least for schedule shift to/from nights. Maybe it works better having a committed partner, and both people doing it together, or having that stable pillar to be connected to, but as a single person I'm looking forward to the end of this portion of my work career.

If it's not permanent, it's certainly worth exploring. All complaints from other people are correct about it. Blackout curtains, possible sleep drug assistance, off-kilter/unhealthy. I've heard the health issues are more due to rotating shifts sleep patterns(causing increased mortality), but haven't looked into it any.

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2017, 09:54:45 PM »
Withe debt and a partner that would likely be working nights as well?  Yes, I'd do it, and if it was truly miserable, I'd put in to change back as soon as possible, after giving it long enough to really let myself adjust (at least 6 months).

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2017, 10:11:04 PM »
OP what state do you work in? Lol, I am so underpaid. I'm basically making half of your salary and I also work nights as an RN. Our shift diff is 5 an hour. blah, I need to move asap. Also to answer your question, I've been on night shift for 6 years now and the difference is pretty big personality wise, at least in my unit on days vs. nights.

Yes but what is the median home value in your town? And how much is a gallon of milk at the supermarket? ;)

I do live in a higher cost of living area. However I am quite happy with my salary and benefits in relation to COL, I must admit.

ETA: I am in rural CA

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2017, 10:19:24 PM »
No, I totally get that California has a higher COL, but when you only make 48k it's pretty difficult to max out your tax advantaged spaces lol. The average home price in my area is probably 150-160k I think. I work like 80 hours a week so I don't have that problem, but I'd love to move to cali or one of the other higher paying areas and work my 3 days a week and not have to worry about the retirement accounts too much. I think CA is also one of the last states that has hospital pensions still. Maybe one day I will make it out west :) 

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2017, 10:37:36 PM »
No, I totally get that California has a higher COL, but when you only make 48k it's pretty difficult to max out your tax advantaged spaces lol. The average home price in my area is probably 150-160k I think. I work like 80 hours a week so I don't have that problem, but I'd love to move to cali or one of the other higher paying areas and work my 3 days a week and not have to worry about the retirement accounts too much. I think CA is also one of the last states that has hospital pensions still. Maybe one day I will make it out west :)

Yes and I got lucky at the hospital where I work. I signed on here in 2009 and they still had a defined benefit pension. They have since switched that to a defined contribution plan, which honestly isn't even as good as a good 401k plan. I am grandfathered in on the defined benefit plan which is amazing and I will work here until I retire for that reason, it's simply too good to pass up.

FWIW the median home price in my town is $355K. We have one of the most expensive grocery stores in the country. The cheapest gas in my town right now is $2.64 as of today.

But it is beautiful. It is peaceful here. I like my work and my home, I have no complaints.

$48K/year, where do you work? That sounds like deep south wages.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2017, 11:58:37 PM »
I absolutely love night shifts and have worked them for over 10 years (not straight) - and I don't even get extra pay or free meals! I tried to get on them whenever I can, but I prefer to stay up all night and sleep during the day.

Night shifts are good for all the reasons already mentioned.

  • No traffic the way you're going.
  • No bosses around (at least none of the big ones) so you can do your stuff uninterrupted.
  • You can do things during the day without tons of people around - grocery shopping, errands, what have you.

Now I have kids and haven't worked nights since they have been born. I don't know if I would go back to them, my wife would not appreciate it. But since your wife would be working nights, it would be a no brainer.

I don't know if I became a heavy sleeper because I worked nights from the start of my working career, or I was always that way, but it helps. Just think of 7pm-7am as the daytime. So 10am is the same to you as 10pm - IE go to sleep around that time and wake up with just enough time to get ready and go to work. Don't try to flip to a daytime schedule on days off if you only have a day or two - just stay on nights. The people complaining about working nights were always the people that went back to a daytime schedule on their days off, that would mess you up and make for a horrible 'Monday' at work.

Of course, this is just my experience and everyone is different. But I love working nights and did it for no extra pay or benefits.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2017, 06:45:39 AM »
Lots of mixed opinions, here is my 2 cents.

I worked nights for 3 years then got seniority and do days now.

In your situation , I would only do it to spend time with your fiance.      The money is irrelevant from my perspective. (Untill about a 50% increase)

I personally make more money on dayshift because I have a clear head and lots of energy to pursue my side hustles. Messing up your circadian rhythm sucks.

Something you may not have considered, is each time you flip from nights to days when your off, your going to lose alot of time being groggy or oversleeping, or can't sleep when you want to.  I don't think that's worth it for 25%.     So if your like me, you'll lose about 12 hours of quality life every time you flip.    So night shift will take up 40% (insert your numbers here) more of your quility time and only compensate you for 25% more.

Just my opinions, your body may be different making my story irrelevant to you.

TLDR: only do it to spend more time with your fiance.  The money isn't worth it
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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2017, 07:26:06 AM »
I work 7 or 8 nights per month (physician.) Bouncing back to days after pulling a stretch of nights is the difficult part. I don't think working 3 nights per week would be tough at all, but your mileage may vary. Working nights yields me several thousand extra dollars per month which is going to shorten my work career by several years. Seems worth it to me.

I think the secret is just going to bed as soon as you walk through the door after a night shift. I sleep about 6 hours and that still gives me a few hours to do things around the house until it's time to go to work again.

I enjoy the people I work with at night, and the nature of the work better than day shift. With all that being said, I probably won't keep doing it once my mortgage is paid off.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2017, 07:48:25 AM »
Absolutely!

I worked nights before I got my degree, and loved it. They moved me to days and after a month I wanted to go back.

Now I'm in a regular office job, but if they let me work nights I would even without a pay raise.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2017, 09:22:20 AM »
No. In fact I currently work nights on a rotating basis and I would take a 25% cut to stay off them!

Straight nights or rotating? I will say straight is easier for sleeping if not for social life.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2017, 12:29:21 PM »
I agree with the others saying you should do it while your fiancee works nights.

I would generally only do it if I was single or in a relationship with someone also working third/night shift.

Working different shifts will mean very little time together and a significant strain on your relationship. At that point the 25% is just a bonus on top of this.

If at a point she can/wants to stop working night shifts I would then recommend also switching off night shift and finally if you have kids also stop working night shifts.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2017, 02:36:10 PM »
Higher income + lower quality of life = not worth it (I did it for 9 years because I'm a stubborn idiot).

Also, WHO designated it as a probable carcinogen, so there's that.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2017, 03:41:57 PM »
Also, WHO designated it as a probable carcinogen, so there's that.

I knew those dollar bills were dirty :P

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2017, 09:45:11 PM »
No, I totally get that California has a higher COL, but when you only make 48k it's pretty difficult to max out your tax advantaged spaces lol. The average home price in my area is probably 150-160k I think. I work like 80 hours a week so I don't have that problem, but I'd love to move to cali or one of the other higher paying areas and work my 3 days a week and not have to worry about the retirement accounts too much. I think CA is also one of the last states that has hospital pensions still. Maybe one day I will make it out west :)

Yes and I got lucky at the hospital where I work. I signed on here in 2009 and they still had a defined benefit pension. They have since switched that to a defined contribution plan, which honestly isn't even as good as a good 401k plan. I am grandfathered in on the defined benefit plan which is amazing and I will work here until I retire for that reason, it's simply too good to pass up.

FWIW the median home price in my town is $355K. We have one of the most expensive grocery stores in the country. The cheapest gas in my town right now is $2.64 as of today.

But it is beautiful. It is peaceful here. I like my work and my home, I have no complaints.

$48K/year, where do you work? That sounds like deep south wages.

Yeah, gas is 2.40-2.50 ish here right now and groceries aren't too bad, but the pay really sucks. I live in North West Florida which is like lower Alabama lol. The only good thing is that they let me work as much as I want, so I made like 40k from extra shifts. I can't imagine how much I could make in Cali working like I do now. Maybe one day :)

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2017, 10:00:33 PM »


Yeah, gas is 2.40-2.50 ish here right now and groceries aren't too bad, but the pay really sucks. I live in North West Florida which is like lower Alabama lol. The only good thing is that they let me work as much as I want, so I made like 40k from extra shifts. I can't imagine how much I could make in Cali working like I do now. Maybe one day :)

Your gas isn't cheaper by much which surprises me. But yeah if you worked 60 hrs/wk in cali you could be well north of 6 figures in no time.

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Re: Would you work graveyard shift for +25% salary?
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2017, 04:42:43 AM »
Higher income + lower quality of life = not worth it (I did it for 9 years because I'm a stubborn idiot).

Also, WHO designated it as a probable carcinogen, so there's that.
But is it known to the State of California to cause cancer?
:P

 

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