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Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« on: January 31, 2022, 06:25:41 AM »
I would really love to take an 18 month sabbatical; I'm burnt out and would not only benefit from a career break but some time to re-evaluate a lot of things.  For those who have taken a sabbatical before, I have lots of questions for you below:

What prompted your sabbatical?
How long did you originally plan to take?  How long did you actually end up taking?
How did it impact your FIRE plans?
Where did you go?
How much did it cost you?  How long did it take you to save up for it? 
Did you return to the job/industry you were in prior to your sabbatical?  Or did you switch industries/careers? 
What was the biggest positive thing that came out of taking it?  The biggest negative thing?
What was the biggest thing you learned while on sabbatical?  What would you do differently if you were to do it all over again?
Do you plan on doing another one?

Thanks for your insight!

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Re: Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2022, 07:33:42 AM »
Well I will play along but mine isn't the norm Sabbatical(s) but I have taken a couple here is info on 1st and last


What prompted your sabbatical?  My 1st was job burn out my 2nd was bad company situation (for the company)

How long did you originally plan to take?  How long did you actually end up taking?  1st planned 3-4 months took about 5 2nd planned 6-10 months and never went back

How did it impact your FIRE plans? I never had a FIRE plan so no real impact

Where did you go? 1st Europe, 2nd started in Asia, Australia, NZ, etc etc etc

How much did it cost you?  How long did it take you to save up for it? 1st about 4-5K total and I didn't save separately with that intent, just went for it. 2nd became FIRE

Did you return to the job/industry you were in prior to your sabbatical?  Or did you switch industries/careers? I did return and ironically after a short consulting gig returned to a different area of the same mega-corp I left.

What was the biggest positive thing that came out of taking it?  The biggest negative thing? No negatives at all IMO, positives meeting, people, gaining more world perspective, clearing my head (applies more to 1st one) and enjoying the fruits of my labor

What was the biggest thing you learned while on sabbatical?  What would you do differently if you were to do it all over again? I think, for me, I learned more about myself and maybe, in some way it put me on a FIRE path. I wouldn't say I had a FIRE goal ever, I didn't know what FIRE was but I knew I didn't want to work til I was 70, 80, even 65 but I also knew I didn't want to save every dime and not live til I stopped working. I think it gave me perspective on life balance but I was also only 26 at the time so it, in some way shaped the way I lived. I wouldn't change a think other then maybe investing more in the market as opposed to paying my mortgage; that is a general statement, not related to Sabbatical(s). 

Do you plan on doing another one? No plan to ever return to work so every day is a sabbatical :)


Like I said mine is probably not the norm or answers you were looking for but just thought I would share for some perspective. I think everyone who can, should take a sabbatical. As I said I took a couple but honestly most were between jobs where I would take an extended break. The break, for me, was always good for my mental well being and there were times I actually looked forward to returning to work after a reset but what led me to FIRE was I had some good success for the last couple of years of working and even had a good job offer but just didn't see myself doing it anymore and thought how much do I really need to live and enjoy my life. I still don't have a FIRE plan really, I never made an actual plan nor did I ever really budget (still don't) I just figured if I had $X I'd be ok. Take the sabbatical, get the perspective you need; that's my advice to you and anyone.

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Re: Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2022, 07:57:54 AM »
If by "sabbatical" you mean a gap year, or a break from work for an extended time, then we took 2 before pulling the plug for good last year. One was a 3 year (1994-1997), one was a 1-year (2009-2010). Both were aboard our 28' sailboat.

Why? For the first one, it was that we'd planned it. Work for 3 years to save up money, then go. The second was timing, mostly to do with realizing that if we didn't jump with the kids NOW it would not happen.
How long? First one we planned to go for 2 years and stayed out 3. The second was always going to be just shy of a year, based on hurricane season and school calendar.
Impact on FIRE? Since we'd never heard of FIRE before about 2 years ago, it had zero impact.
Where? First one: Gulf coast, then eastern Caribbean. Second: Bahamas and Dominican Republic.
Cost: First: $750/month. Second: $1750/month
Job on return: First: fully new industry for DH; I was still a teacher. Second: DH returned to same company but different job; I morphed into self-employment
Biggest positive/ negative: learning the lifestyle and that it's a fit for us. No negative. We loved showing our kids there is more to life than 9-5 and that spending deliberately can open a lot of doors.
Biggest thing learned: the self-sufficiency and minimal lifestyle works for us.
Plan on another one? FIRED in January 2021, so no need for another one!



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Re: Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2022, 11:22:40 AM »
My experiences might be somewhat different than what you're thinking about because I took a couple of "working" sabbaticals (although each one had some long vacation tacked on to the end of it).

1. What prompted your sabbatical?
A.  London, UK (mid-2001 to mid-2002): My then-boyfriend was a professor in Toronto and was planning a one-year academic sabbatical in London. He asked if I wanted to go with him. I hadn't really thought about it before but decided that it would be interesting to work in another country for a year, if I could manage it.
B.  Paris, France (mid-2005 to mid-2007): My fiance (not the "then-boyfriend" mentioned above) and I decided that we wanted to pursue at least one more work-abroad adventure before factors such as aging parents limited our mobility. (He'd lived and worked Egypt, the UK and the US before. I'd lived and worked in the US and UK before.) So we looked for contract opportunities and I landed an amazing job at an international organization in Paris.

You didn't ask this question but people might be wondering if these sabbaticals felt like a break or respite from my regular job. The answer is Yes for Sabbatical A and mostly No for Sabbatical B. The job I left to do Sabbatical A was fairly high-stress, I had a managerial position, my regular working hours were about 45-48 hours a week (with much more intense periods arising unexpectedly every 5-8 weeks. The Sabbatical A job was, by contrast, a specialist / non-managerial position in an organization where the standard work week was almost always 35-40 hours (except in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, see below). However, I left a fairly relaxing and super-fun job (usually 38-42 hours a week) in Canada for a demanding role in Sabbatical B. Although I went from a managerial position (in my home country) to a specialist position (in Sabbatical B), in reality the expectations were higher, the hours were really long for the first year (long working travel days, lots of weekend work etc, there was limited support, and the work culture was mostly terrible. (Except for the fact that we stopped work at least once every couple of weeks to eat treats and celebrate something with champagne :) )  In the second year, when I was feeling somewhat unmotivated (and my major project was complete), I cut back my hours to a more regular 35-38 per week.

2. How long did you originally plan to take?  How long did you actually end up taking?
A.  One year planned. I ended up being gone for 15 months. I worked for exactly a year, and took a 10-week vacation at the end of it (plus I took two-weeks before my UK contract started to get settled).
B.  Two years, with a possibility of extension planned. Two years plus 10 weeks. (I hated the organization I ended up working for, so I decided not to renew my contract. We took a 10-week break at the end for holidays and to relocate.

3. How did it impact your FIRE plans?
A.  I didn't have FIRE plans at the time. The sabbatical set back my savings/investment plans by probably 15-18 months' worth of tax-advantaged savings. I was getting a salary in the UK that was technically the equivalent of my Canadian salary but the cost of living was significantly higher; I probably experienced about a 1/3 drop in purchasing power. Also, I owned a condo and although I managed to rent it (with all my furniture and my cat!) to someone for 12 of the 15 months I was gone, I had to cover the remaining three months plus a portion of the carrying costs. I also splurged on some experiences (frequent travel to continental Europe, the 10-week holiday at the end, language study classes etc). I spent every penny I earned, plus about $5K of my savings and put some charges on my credit card. However, I received a "re-signing" bonus when I got back to my old job, which I used to pay off my credit card and repay the $5K I'd "borrowed" from myself.
B. I didn't have FIRE plans at the time. I was getting paid about what I'd made in Canada, when COL and some supplementary funds from the organization were taken into account. However, my husband was unable to find work in Paris, so we were reduced to one income. Also, we had rented out our house in Canada and the rental only covered about 90% of our costs. Overall, I'd say that the sabbatical didn't set my retirement savings plan "back" but we weren't able to save as much as we had before.

4. Where did you go?
A.  Moved from Canada to the UK (London). Also spent 6 weeks in France and 4 weeks in Spain at the end of the working portion of the sabbatical, taking language immersion classes.
B.  Moved from Canada to Paris.

5. How much did it cost you?  How long did it take you to save up for it?
A. See above.  In the year before I left for the sabbatical, I cut back on some spendy habits (like books, clothes, takeout meals etc).
B. Didn't really cost us anything. The international organization covered our moving costs to and from Paris (including flights etc) and also provided us with a lump sum (about 9000 euros) to cover transition costs. (That sounds like a lot but we needed a couple of thousand Euros for a damage deposit for the flat, we had to buy second-hand appliances for the flat, et).
 
6. Did you return to the job/industry you were in prior to your sabbatical?  Or did you switch industries/careers?
A. I returned to the same organization (a government agency) but changed roles with a promotion. The role change was a direct result of my experience overseas.
B. I considered moving back to the same organization but explored some other options in different countries as well. We came close to moving to Norway! (but there was a significant risk my husband would have trouble finding work there). We ended up moving to New York City, where I got a good job offer and there were a lot of opportunities for my husband as well. (My job offer came from an organization that one of my former colleagues from Sabbatical A had joined. He introduced me to the hiring manager.) My new role was in a similar field (international regulatory affairs) to what I had been doing before and during Sabbatical B.

7. What was the biggest positive thing that came out of taking it?  The biggest negative thing?
A.  Positive: Sabbatical A completely changed the trajectory of my career. It exposed me to work in international regulatory affairs, and my work experience enabled me to land a great role back at my former organization when I returned from Sabbatical A. It also helped me get the position for Sabbatical B. After Sabbatical A, I got to travel the world, meet all kinds of interesting people, and have a meaningful impact on regulatory policy. During my sabbatical I also discovered that I loved learning foreign languages, and started to enjoy taking language immersion holidays. Aside from the fun of those experiences, my improved language skills were very helpful in my career. (My French language skills were a prerequisite for getting the Sabbatical B job.)
A.  Negative: My second day of work at Canary Wharf in London was 9/11. It was incredibly disturbing and disconcerting to be living far away from home, and working in a place that many people thought might be a target for terrorist attacks. Because I was new to my job, I wasn't very helpful to my colleagues, who were working all hours to help keep the markets running in the rest of the world. I mostly brought people tea and bought them fresh socks for a few days. Also, my boyfriend and I split up a month after we moved. That was a bad and a good thing. I think the stress of living together in a shocked world, far away from friends and family, stressed our relationship. In the end, I was glad that we figured out sooner rather than later that we were unsuitable long-term partners.
B.  Positive: We got to live in Paris for two years, right after we got married! It was like a honeymoon. We loved having people visit us, and we loved traveling in Europe and the Middle East. I also liked some of my colleagues and made some lasting friendships, and I got to work on some interesting projects (in Turkey and Latin America, for example, and travel there). We learned a lot about wine and got to drink a lot of affordable champagne. The job I got in the US (after Sabbatical B) was very highly paid (compared to my job in Canada), and we were able to save a lot during the 9 years I had it. I also got some great low-priced stock compensation (because I started the job at the beginning of the financial crisis), and the company stock ran up a fair bit before that job and I parted ways in 2016.
B. Negative: My mother got very sick about a year into our stay, and died after a short illness. It was devastating to live so far away (she was in British Columbia). I also hated the organizational culture, which sucked the joy out of many people and stressed them out. It didn't affect me as much but I definitely lost some motivation to do my job well. On the plus side, the organization had a great bereavement leave policy (and my manager, who was a jerk in many ways, was incredibly kind to me and supportive when my mother died).

Overall, I would say that the two sabbaticals had a good ROI from an FI perspective. I learned things, made contacts, was exposed to opportunities and had resume-building experiences that enabled me to land a very highly paid (and interesting / impactful) Megacorp job. Savings from that job are the foundation of our current FI status.

8. What was the biggest thing you learned while on sabbatical?  What would you do differently if you were to do it all over again?
More details to come. One thing I would change is that I had an opportunity to buy back a year's pension credit for the 12-month period I was working in the UK. When I got home, my pockets were feeling empty and the cost to buy that year of pension credit seemed high, so I took a pass. In retrospect, I should have bitten the budget bullet and bought the credit.

9. Do you plan on doing another one?
Nope, retirement is on the horizon (2024). Although I could imagine the possibility of one or both of us doing some kind of short-term quasi-volunteer work experience in a developing country (maybe something where we got a modest stipend to cover travel or basic accommodation for a while).
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Re: Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2022, 07:39:31 AM »
I’ll play. I’ve never taken 18 months - more like 4-6 months. Maybe I should go for 18??

What prompted your sabbatical?
I’ve been on maternity leave a couple of times and left jobs with nothing lined up a couple of times. When I left my job with nothing lined up, it was because I wanted to change jobs / careers and needed more time and space than I had with my current jobs.

How long did you originally plan to take? 4-6 months How long did you actually end up taking? 4-6 months

How did it impact your FIRE plans?
We never had a fire deadline or anything, so I guess it didn’t. It reduced our saving rate for a while.

Where did you go?
Nowhere.

How much did it cost you?  How long did it take you to save up for it?
I didn’t specifically save up for it - we were saving all of my income at the time. It reduced our savings rate for the time I was out of work.

Did you return to the job/industry you were in prior to your sabbatical?  Or did you switch industries/careers?
For maternity leaves I returned. For the actual time off, I returned to different industries. Not completely different, but pretty big pivots from what I was doing before.

What was the biggest positive thing that came out of taking it? 
Having the time and space to switch careers to something I like better.

The biggest negative thing?
I got stuck with all the shittiest elements of childcare including becoming the primary school contact for years after. I literally had to get hit by a car to get out of it. And still the school would sometimes call me first. Maybe this has nothing to do with the time off, but it was not as bad before I took the time off.

What was the biggest thing you learned while on sabbatical? 
That I have a full life without work. And this is why I feel overwhelmed much of the time.

What would you do differently if you were to do it all over again?
I think I might go longer. And commit to more time away from work. And set way better boundaries with the kids schools. Or better yet tell them my spouse isn’t working so they leave me alone and bug him instead.

Do you plan on doing another one?
Yes. We’re planning on taking the summer off.

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Re: Questions to those of you who have taken sabbaticals before
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2022, 05:07:06 PM »
What prompted your sabbatical?  Dot com bust

How long did you originally plan to take?  How long did you actually end up taking? Years, years until new opportunities presented themselves. 
How did it impact your FIRE plans? Postpone, but a year of FORE when 30 might be more enjoyable than when 40 and 50. 

Where did you go? The beach in many different countries.

How much did it cost you?  How long did it take you to save up for it? Don't know, don't know.  Put away spreadsheets when not working, waste of time. 
 
Did you return to the job/industry you were in prior to your sabbatical?  Or did you switch industries/careers?  Switch careers.  I'm a freak test-taker and can switch between high level analytical careers with a few months of study.  Companies will usually pay for training once aptitude is measured.
   
What was the biggest positive thing that came out of taking it?  The biggest negative thing?  Just like everything in life, the utility of something new diminishes over time.  A 40+ year FIRE seems pointless to me and would much rather work 5 FIRE 3 work 5, FIRE 3, and on. My only regret is not being more aware of my investments while I was FIRE early on as I sometimes went years without even looking at accounts.     
 
What was the biggest thing you learned while on sabbatical?  What would you do differently if you were to do it all over again?
Do you plan on doing another one?  The world is very big and there are about 7,000,000,000,000 different ways to live.  Anyone who is whining about their lot anywhere in the developed world is an idiot.  I work when my labor is most valued and coast when not.  Given the market/economy is turning over, will FIRE soon and if the economy comes back after Joe is bumped, I might work again in a new field that presents itself in a few years.   

 

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