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Also... passive-aggressive as hell.  Deal with the situation directly, or not.  His unpermitted addition has nothing to do with selling the properties, and shouldn't come into it.

I wouldn't say it's passive aggressive. The term I think I'd use is covertly aggressive.

An anonymous letter seems about as passive aggressive a thing as I can think of.
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Well at least we can agree its a kind of aggression ;)

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Also... passive-aggressive as hell.  Deal with the situation directly, or not.  His unpermitted addition has nothing to do with selling the properties, and shouldn't come into it.

I wouldn't say it's passive aggressive. The term I think I'd use is covertly aggressive.

An anonymous letter seems about as passive aggressive a thing as I can think of.

Well at least we can agree its a kind of aggression ;)

Indeed, we're actively agreeing!

I'd just be passively agreeing if I didn't post this.  :)
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Coercion?  Extortion? 

The whole situation reminds me of a good book I read years ago, that was about a hotel being built on a place where there was a row of houses. Two of the neighbours didn't want to sell. Eventually the hotel was built around those houses.
http://www.letterenfonds.nl/en/book/187/public-works
With a picture of the hotel:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publieke_Werken_(roman)

Thats funny, I was just thinking its a bit like a book as I was waking up this morning.


                                                              'THE LAND ASSEMBLY'
                                                           A NOVEL BY PUDDING 2016

Chapter 5 in which pudding the only white guy on the block makes his neighbour the kebab chef 'an offer he can't refuse' or perhaps he can???? The plot thickens faster than the kebab chefs gravy.

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Coercion?  Extortion? 

The whole situation reminds me of a good book I read years ago, that was about a hotel being built on a place where there was a row of houses. Two of the neighbours didn't want to sell. Eventually the hotel was built around those houses.
http://www.letterenfonds.nl/en/book/187/public-works
With a picture of the hotel:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publieke_Werken_(roman)

Thats funny, I was just thinking its a bit like a book as I was waking up this morning.


                                                              'THE LAND ASSEMBLY'
                                                           A NOVEL BY PUDDING 2016

Chapter 5 in which pudding the only white guy on the block makes his neighbour the kebab chef 'an offer he can't refuse' or perhaps he can???? The plot thickens faster than the kebab chefs gravy.

In chapter 2 can I come tour an apartment that has a hotplate, half a window, curtains instead of walls, and costs $800/month and has a landlord that wants to charge extra every time my mom comes over for dinner? And then I call the city, while sobbing in a coffee shop about the lack of affordable housing? I drink either tea, green tea, or espresso con panna.

Hi Little friendly giant.. chapter 2 is already passed, but that sounds like a good plot for further on in the book. Half a window is a bit much to expect for $800 a month though. Maybe you need to lower your expectations a bit.

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My cousin had a similar experience a few years ago.  They had a house in a cul de sac that some developers wanted to level for a shopping mall.  Everyone on the block but one wanted to sell (for double the value of their homes).  The deal didn't go through.  Nobody talks to that guy.


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Nail-biting suspense!!! What happened, what happened????? :)

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So after our neighbours meeting at my house on Sunday, a few things have happened.

One positive development that has shown up is one of the neighbours I met at the meeting.

He's a smart guy and director of a company. Part of his job is negotiating with people. So he knows his suff. 

He's a bit less likely to dream up schemes to 'call the city on the neighbour' or to 'leave a horses head on neighbours pillow' ;)

We've talked since and I believe he will do a good job as part of our 'team.'

Thats a relief for me.

Another is that we decided to check out another realtor that also knows land assembly. The realtor that came to our meet up on the weekend, he was OK, but he misses opportunities to move things ahead.

For example the elderly neighbour who believes his house is worth 3 million (about 1.6 million more than it is)   The realtor should be figuring out ways to show the neighbour that it isn't and here's why, and here's how you can get a million bucks more.

But he didn't, he just had a bit of a self indulgent fit, and even the next day when I called him and asked him to send me some comparables to show neighbour he didn't send any. Even though I was going to work on neighbour thinking it was the realtors job.

So we have our meeting with this other realtor on Monday. Just 3 of us are going to meet up at realtors office this time. It will be myself, the smart neighbour I mentioned and my cool next door neighbour who I first mentioned the land assembly idea to. (so we have the cool guy, the smart guy and pudding the reformed hooligan)

It seems we have become the core members of this loosely put together group.

The thought of this extra million is wonderful... I mean just like that we'd all be in a great position. So far we have 3 objectors, and I have to say that they sort of fall into the 'grumpy old man' category...  I don't look forward to getting old!

Maybe we need someone to go into their homes and brighten up their day, make them feel happy and put some joy in their lives... I mean it, I think it would work wonders.

Will see what happens and post here about it.


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In a land assembly, the price each owner gets for their property is determined by the size of their lot. The developer will actually calculate the price per square foot. So if neighbour A's lot is larger than neighbour B's, he will be able to negotiate a higher total price.

The hard thing for long time residents to understand is that the size and condition of the home built on their lot is irrelevant. This can be really hard for a long term resident to come to grips with. The fact that all their special DIY improvements were totally wasted in terms of increasing the value of their property can be an emotional blow.

In our case, the objecting neighbour didn't want to sell because in the past year they'd spent several tens of thousands on improving the house. They wanted to wait a bit to see if they could get more money based on the fact that their house was "nicer". They were insulted that our ramshackle pile of sticks was worth the same as their slightly less ramshackle place. Note that all the houses on the street were run down rental homes. "Nice" was an extremely subjective term.

So you can try explaining the concept of $/sq ft of land to your objector. You can even do the math for him and point out that at $450/sq ft, his 3000 sq ft lot is worth $1.35M. However, expect that he will still be insulted.

If he is older and has lived there a long time he may also have legitimate concerns about how he will afford a comparable place and even the mechanics of how he will move. In this case, he may be able to negotiate  with the developer that he gets, $X for his lot, and then also gets a unit in the finished development. Or perhaps a unit in a different complex the developer has recently finished. Basically, you need to show your objector a path forward.

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The latest on this is that me and 2 other families on the block met with another realtor last night.

The realtor is a specialist when it comes to land assembly.

She was great, we met at her office and she had her engineer guy there plus secretary to gather phone numbers and emails and present information on a big tv screen.

She presented us with the information about the cities re zoning plans and showed us what can't be done, what is likely just speculation and the latest rezoning the city are allowing that fortunately for us includes our block!   The fact that we are in the new re zoning map and not just hoping to get some kind of variance from the city was great to hear.

The other important thing is that before, we were hearing that we needed everyone on the block to join in to make re development happen, and now we're hearing that, that would be ideal but we can also get re zoned with as little as 3 houses in a row, and I think currently we have 6 of us in a row.

So by no means a done deal, but with the new realtor + the new city zoning and the fact we don't need every neighbour on board to do this is really encouraging.




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That's pretty huge that stubborn neighbor can't stop you.

Thanks for the update!  :)
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Good news for you.
Just make sure that the offer still is really good. Also for the people who have done expensive upgrades on their house, that they won't get any more for if it is sold by the ground surface area. Moving into another house is also a bit of a pricy business.

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Think beyond the neighbor.  Does he have adult kids?  Find the kids, tell them all about this where their dad is passing up an extra $1MM because he thinks his house is worth Billions for some insane reason.  Perhaps have a real estate agent diagram the estimated value of his house.  Frame it like: The house itself is worth $1.3M but it would cost $150,000 to remove the illegal basement suite and walled in porch, which the city will require, so now it's worth $1.15M.  The kids might think "Dad's freaking nuts thinking it's worth $3M.  Let's go talk to him".

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Think beyond the neighbor.  Does he have adult kids?  Find the kids, tell them all about this where their dad is passing up an extra $1MM because he thinks his house is worth Billions for some insane reason.  Perhaps have a real estate agent diagram the estimated value of his house.  Frame it like: The house itself is worth $1.3M but it would cost $150,000 to remove the illegal basement suite and walled in porch, which the city will require, so now it's worth $1.15M.  The kids might think "Dad's freaking nuts thinking it's worth $3M.  Let's go talk to him".

Frame it like: The house itself is worth $1.3M but it would cost $150,000 to remove the illegal basement suite and walled in porch, which the city will require, so now it's worth $1.15M".

Thanks car jack, thats a pretty good way to put it. Its not a threat is it, it's just kind of 'hey this is probably what will have to be done as required by city'  and then move on with the conversation.

My original title was a bit dramatic, probably never any need to do that kind of thing.

Its interesting that you mention chat to his kids, as a good thing happened yesterday. I was down in another part of town and I'd forgotten that I actually knew the neighbours son in law in a casual acquaintance kind of way, but was in his neighbourhood and saw him out in his yard.

So I said hi and can i have 5 minutes to chat about this important thing.  So he's younger and totally gets it, also his wife (I guess would be neighbours daughter)  works in a real estate office and as the guy said she totally gets it.

I got his email and said I'd keep him in the loop.

So far things are looking OK, we have a lot of the important dots joined up.  Our biggest stumbling bloke at the moment is an older neighbour down the street who's lived in his house forever, he's old and maybe isn't as motivated by the money.

Again as you say it's probably best to talk to his kids and show them there's an extra million there.

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Back around 1980 in Memphis, Tn, where I was going to college, there was a neighborhood that was obviously going to be commercialized piecemeal.   It was in the exactly correct location for such a thing to happen.

The residents got smart and organized themselves.  They made a contract with one another that everyone would sell to a commercial buyer or no one would sell.

They walked away from that arrangement with a lot of money.

Source: Commercial Appeal newspaper.

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Its interesting that you mention chat to his kids, as a good thing happened yesterday. I was down in another part of town and I'd forgotten that I actually knew the neighbours son in law in a casual acquaintance kind of way, but was in his neighbourhood and saw him out in his yard.

So I said hi and can i have 5 minutes to chat about this important thing. 


What you mean is you tracked down his kid's address and waited outside for him to come out to the yard so you could have that chat, upping your game from blackmail to stalking? Just joking, kinda sorta :). Sounds like things are lining up well for you, regardless of tactics.

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We have just one guy holding out now.

He's know as the grumpy old guy. Apparently has no kids and owns his house no mortgage.  Its an older house and I guess he's just not into selling it.

Didn't actually talk to him yet but will chat to him soon. Maybe I'll get an idea of what he's into and offer him some juicy ideas of what he can do with an extra million.

Hope we can turn him around as it would be great to have the whole block onboard.

Anyone any ideas how you'd turn a guy like that around to our way of thinking?

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Don't try to persuade him at first.

Just listen to him.
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We have just one guy holding out now.

He's know as the grumpy old guy. Apparently has no kids and owns his house no mortgage.  Its an older house and I guess he's just not into selling it.

Didn't actually talk to him yet but will chat to him soon. Maybe I'll get an idea of what he's into and offer him some juicy ideas of what he can do with an extra million.

Hope we can turn him around as it would be great to have the whole block onboard.

Anyone any ideas how you'd turn a guy like that around to our way of thinking?

Can't wait for an update! Good luck!

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Interesting story.  The first thing you did wrong was talking with the neighbors when you should have been buying up more neighbor houses:)

I agree with arebelspy, don't try to convince the old man.  You should be mostly listening to his concerns and feelings.  Logical, financial reason will not matter.  He is probably Mustachian.  When you are set for life, having an extra million or five million does not matter.  If he loves his house and the memories, money and financial reasoning will not matter. You will need to listen to find why or how you can get him to emotionally let go.

There was an old lady in the Seattle area that did not want to move out of her house.  Great story. https://roadtrippers.com/stories/meet-the-woman-who-refused-to-sell-her-home-and-the-mall-that-was-built-around-it
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Sounds like a great place to be in.

Good luck

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An interesting spin off from this land assembly attempt is how its got me and the neighbours talking to each other. Myself and my neighbour on either side helped each other clean the compacted snow off our sidewalks yesterday evening. We had a good laugh doing it, oldest neighbour being 82 and young fella 25.

It was a good time just doing things with out  planing or talking land assembly or some other motive, got me thinking again about how my life in this city's been such an isolated affair.. particularly at times I've live in concrete box 'apartment' land.




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Another thing thats happened is... I kind of FIRED early or to be real I've sort of morphed into this kind of premature RE mode..... ( sounds like something to see a doctor about?) ;)

Things developed pretty quickly this last couple of months and went from maybe one day this street could be rezoned to probably could be, to the street has been and its on the city plan.  Now it's possible to build rental apartments here, maybe a seniors home,  where as it was only single family houses before.

Right along side that I fixed all the house up while watching these changes take place.

Also had an old friend that I lost touch with years ago, I heard he died from cancer.

I worked that hard in the summer and fall that my knees got all messed up....  so I just sort of started by thinking I'll take a couple of days off, that lead to a week. 

I had a think about things and thought to myself ' holy smokes have I been working hard last few years'   then I figured before I go back to working for other people in my handyman business I'd like to clean up some things at my house, clear up the back yard and fix up some stuff that got neglected over the years, even had rats living (and peeing) in a shed under the back steps.

I've done that now and today's this beautiful sunny day with snow on the ground. I think I might just have a month off and staycation. Take a few grand and relax a bit.








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Maybe I'll get an idea of what he's into and offer him some juicy ideas of what he can do with an extra million.

I had to chuckle at this.  He's probably retired and has enough money--a/k/a Mustachian.  What would you try to convince a FIRE'd Mustachian on this board they could do with an extra $1 million?  Normally, there are competitions to see who has the oldest phone and who hasn't ever heard of a car.  Maybe the give-it-away thread?

By the way, the link to photos of developments built around single houses was really cool.

And for serious advice, I second Arebelspy.  You're focused on what you want.  Find out what he wants.  You think more money should motivate him (because that's what you want), but maybe not.  Maybe he's already set financially.  Maybe he just doesn't want to look for a new place (you all could help).  Maybe he feels like moving would be too big a task (you all could help).  Maybe he doesn't care about money, but it might help him to know everyone on the block has talked about this and really supports it.  You won't know until you ask him.  But consider how well your current approach would do with Mr. Money Mustache--hey, MMM, you can do this thing you don't want to do and get an extra $1 million?  Think he would be convinced?  Find out what matters to your neighbor.

And last, are you now talking to him for the first time because you want something?  Consider how much he's going to trust you if so.  You need to let him talk and find out what motivates him.  Then you can figure out if he can get what he wants and also sell.

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Maybe I'll get an idea of what he's into and offer him some juicy ideas of what he can do with an extra million.

I had to chuckle at this.  He's probably retired and has enough money--a/k/a Mustachian.  What would you try to convince a FIRE'd Mustachian on this board they could do with an extra $1 million?  Normally, there are competitions to see who has the oldest phone and who hasn't ever heard of a car.  Maybe the give-it-away thread?

By the way, the link to photos of developments built around single houses was really cool.

And for serious advice, I second Arebelspy.  You're focused on what you want.  Find out what he wants.  You think more money should motivate him (because that's what you want), but maybe not.  Maybe he's already set financially.  Maybe he just doesn't want to look for a new place (you all could help).  Maybe he feels like moving would be too big a task (you all could help).  Maybe he doesn't care about money, but it might help him to know everyone on the block has talked about this and really supports it.  You won't know until you ask him.  But consider how well your current approach would do with Mr. Money Mustache--hey, MMM, you can do this thing you don't want to do and get an extra $1 million?  Think he would be convinced?  Find out what matters to your neighbor.

And last, are you now talking to him for the first time because you want something?  Consider how much he's going to trust you if so.  You need to let him talk and find out what motivates him.  Then you can figure out if he can get what he wants and also sell.

I guess it is a pretty good description on a mustachian! :)

To be honest I don't think I've ever seen him. We live on a street and he's about 8 doors down.  I know a guy that used to live next door but one to him, he said he's a good guy and likes the neighbourhood. Not a lot wrong with that I guess.

I'll chat to him and see what he says. An extra million might be just what he's looking for, not to mention the other 12 neighbours that would pocket a million bucks too.

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I'll chat to him and see what he says. An extra million might be just what he's looking for

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I'll chat to him and see what he says. An extra million might be just what he's looking for



Or it might not be. From what I can gather he's not really motivated by more money.

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This being a FI forum... why hasnt anyone asked if the other guy is already FI, likes the home and doesnt want the extra money?

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This being a FI forum... why hasnt anyone asked if the other guy is already FI, likes the home and doesnt want the extra money?
It has been. This is what the last half dozen posts have said, and why we're advocating going and listening to him, rather than trying to convince him that an extra million that may not have utility for him is what he needs. :)
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Realistically at this stage we know little about him. What we do know is he's lived in the house all his life, his mum gave it to him when she passed on. He likes the neighbourhood and so far doesn't like the idea of a land assembly.

He lives a frugal life and rumour has it that he doesn't need the money, but we don't actually know that yet. He might not 'need' it, but an extra million can sure come in handy!  It might be that he has a retirement plan of x that will get him by, and another million will give him a much better retirement.

I think what it is, is that at first glance it's not like 'hey this guy has 5 kids and hates his job, so it'll be a piece of cake to get him onboard'  It's more like he doesn't have any obviously pressing needs and is quite into keeping things as they are.

What we came up with is to chat and let him know that if assembly goes ahead it will be for rental apartments that will be rented for 20% below market rents, which is pretty good for the neighbourhood too.

Also to be real the way things are shaping up it could be that he ends up with a 6 story apartment building up to his property line, it would dwarf his bungalow. And not looking to be an ass but numbers say theres 40,000 people a year moving into the greater Vancouver area, so people are going to have to live somewhere. If 13 families get enough to seriously change their financial lives and quite a few families get cheap rent in the new building, then it ain't a terrible thing.

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If 13 families get enough to seriously change their financial lives and quite a few families get cheap rent in the new building, then it ain't a terrible thing.

Of course.

But that may be less important than the emotional to him--the house his mother gave him, the scariness of moving, the immednse work that moving entails, etc.  Those are the things you have to suss out by listening to him.
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After my grandfather died, my grandmother was hell bent on staying in their home, even as her health declined and she really should have been in some sort of assisted living facility (and eventually a full medical facility).  She didn't need the money.  She was in her 80s, had few expenses and enough money to 6 figure inheritances to her 3 children.  Another million dollars would have changed her life in almost no way. 

That was the house where she had her final memories of her husband of more than 50 years. I can think of almost no motivation that would have gotten here out of that house. Because it was her home, and the money meant little when she had little time left anyway and was set financially. 

Maybe you leave this poor old man alone, stop hounding him, and move forward.  You've said you don't even need him to do this, so move ahead and respect his decision.  You've asked the question, and he's answered.  Checking back one more time as the process moves forward--"Hey Fred, 12 houses are selling, and if you join, the Smith's and Jones can sell too, bringing the total to 15.  If not, the 12 of us are moving forward and an apartment building is going up where our houses are, so I just wanted to check one more time and make sure you haven't change your mind.  No, you're staying.  Okay cool.  I wish you the best. Have a nice day."  Beyond that, leave him alone.  Your greed is causing you to consider blackmailing your neighbors, and strong arming an elderly man.  WTF is wrong with you??

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Since you've said you can move on without him, a question:  Do you get more if he (and everyone) sells? Or the same, if your section is sold?
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Maybe you leave this poor old man alone, stop hounding him, and move forward.  You've said you don't even need him to do this, so move ahead and respect his decision.  You've asked the question, and he's answered.  Checking back one more time as the process moves forward--"Hey Fred, 12 houses are selling, and if you join, the Smith's and Jones can sell too, bringing the total to 15.  If not, the 12 of us are moving forward and an apartment building is going up where our houses are, so I just wanted to check one more time and make sure you haven't change your mind.  No, you're staying.  Okay cool.  I wish you the best. Have a nice day."  Beyond that, leave him alone.  Your greed is causing you to consider blackmailing your neighbors, and strong arming an elderly man.  WTF is wrong with you??

Indeed, it would be fair to inform him that the rest of the block is selling and that he is not stopping the whole process by not selling. His neighbourhood will change significantly and he has the right to know this and maybe change his mind about it for his own sake. But don't make him feel lousy for his choice.

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This being a FI forum... why hasnt anyone asked if the other guy is already FI, likes the home and doesnt want the extra money?

He'll like it a lot less when a strip mall is built beside him.

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Maybe you leave this poor old man alone, stop hounding him, and move forward.  You've said you don't even need him to do this, so move ahead and respect his decision.  You've asked the question, and he's answered.  Checking back one more time as the process moves forward--"Hey Fred, 12 houses are selling, and if you join, the Smith's and Jones can sell too, bringing the total to 15.  If not, the 12 of us are moving forward and an apartment building is going up where our houses are, so I just wanted to check one more time and make sure you haven't change your mind.  No, you're staying.  Okay cool.  I wish you the best. Have a nice day."  Beyond that, leave him alone.  Your greed is causing you to consider blackmailing your neighbors, and strong arming an elderly man.  WTF is wrong with you??

 Q/ WTF is wrong with you??     A/ I kind of think of it as writing humorously.

So far we've put a flyer through his door inviting him to a neighbourhood meeting to listen to the realtor talk and one of the neighbours asked him what he thought of the idea.     

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OK folks, it's been fun writing but its time for radio silence.

I'll post when its all over and theres some finality to this... maybe a month maybe a year!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_silence



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I would prefer to see daily updates of your escalating campaign to torment, harass and bully the neighbors who do not submit to your plan for enrichment.

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OK folks, it's been fun writing but its time for radio silence.

I'll post when its all over and theres some finality to this... maybe a month maybe a year!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_silence

Good luck!

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I would prefer to see daily updates of your escalating campaign to torment, harass and bully the neighbors who do not submit to your plan for enrichment.

Awww thanks, did you miss me snackdog?

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So tomorrow we sign up with our new realtor to sell our places as a land assembly.

Asking price is going to be 2.3 million per house.

Of the 13 houses on our block we have 10 on board.

Of the 3 that aren't in, one is on the fence and may join us, one 'homeowner' we have been talking to isn't really the owner and one is the mustachian type of guy who doesn't want to sell.

I'd heard the mustachian was a grumpy guy, had a chance to talk to him a while back and he actually seems like a good guy, and being that way myself found I could get my head around a lot of what he was saying.  So anyway of course it's up to him. At one time we thought we needed all on the block to be in, but it's not the case.

What we've come to understand from the architect is that we only need 3 houses in a row to make this land assembly work, more is better but 3 will do it though a developer would likely offer less.

But we have a solid 7 houses in a row! Which is plenty, and if my neighbour who is on the fence joins us we have 10 in a row.  If that happens it'll be a shame for the one house on the other side of the mustachian as he won't be able to get the extra million out of the deal, and also if my neighbour on the fence doesn't join us, then there will be 2 houses next to him unable to join in.

So we have it all lined up, we sign up tomorrow and see what offers come in.  For me of course it's quite exciting and been quite a ride, was only a couple of months ago that it didn't seem at all possible, now we could be 10 newly minted millionaires and just like that! 'Could' being the word at the moment, so will see and post updates.

My friend said that seeing as I got this one rolling that I should make some kind of demand like, maybe that the new building be named after me or something like that, pudding palace or crescent or something?? 

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Since you've said you can move on without him, a question:  Do you get more if he (and everyone) sells? Or the same, if your section is sold?

we think it will be around the same amount as we have a good chunk. The ones stranded will miss out though.

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That's good.  Glad it's working out for you.  Thanks for the update.  :)

The reluctant ones may change their minds once they see that it's really happening.
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So tomorrow we sign up with our new realtor to sell our places as a land assembly.

Asking price is going to be 2.3 million per house.

Of the 13 houses on our block we have 10 on board.

Of the 3 that aren't in, one is on the fence and may join us, one 'homeowner' we have been talking to isn't really the owner and one is the mustachian type of guy who doesn't want to sell.

I'd heard the mustachian was a grumpy guy, had a chance to talk to him a while back and he actually seems like a good guy, and being that way myself found I could get my head around a lot of what he was saying.  So anyway of course it's up to him. At one time we thought we needed all on the block to be in, but it's not the case.

What we've come to understand from the architect is that we only need 3 houses in a row to make this land assembly work, more is better but 3 will do it though a developer would likely offer less.

But we have a solid 7 houses in a row! Which is plenty, and if my neighbour who is on the fence joins us we have 10 in a row.  If that happens it'll be a shame for the one house on the other side of the mustachian as he won't be able to get the extra million out of the deal, and also if my neighbour on the fence doesn't join us, then there will be 2 houses next to him unable to join in.

So we have it all lined up, we sign up tomorrow and see what offers come in.  For me of course it's quite exciting and been quite a ride, was only a couple of months ago that it didn't seem at all possible, now we could be 10 newly minted millionaires and just like that! 'Could' being the word at the moment, so will see and post updates.

My friend said that seeing as I got this one rolling that I should make some kind of demand like, maybe that the new building be named after me or something like that, pudding palace or crescent or something??

Nice. Thanks for the update! Congrats, as well.

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Bit of a new development in this one.

It looks like the city here will allow us to build a house in the back and sell it separately.

Presently you can build a house but not sell it separately, you can rent it out but not sell it.   

If it happens it might sink the land assembly we have, as 2 of the people in this assembly already have a house out back, and the value of the 2 houses not a lot different than what we would get if sold as assembled lots.

Will have to wait and see. I have plans passed to build one of these houses, so either way I'm fortunate to have this place.


http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2017/03/03/vancouver-considers-allowing-laneway-houses-to-be-stratified.html

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Just an update for anyone that might be still following this post. But the original title re would you call the city on the neighbour... update is that I don't think it was him.

When the letter from the city first came through the mail box I was thinking damn, who could have called the city.  I'd spoken with my neighbour a couple of months earlier about my house and who lived in it etc...  I figured chances are it must have been him.

One other top suspect was a tenant who freaked out and left, but I figured it couldn't have been her that made the call as the letter from the city came so soon after her freak out, just days later, she was still living in the house. Sounds silly but the city are so slow at doing everything that I honestly discounted her as  the one, as surely the city couldn't get it together to send their letter so quickly.


Anyway,  what happened recently is that I have a friend down the street, and the city busted him at the same time as me. He was certain it was his neighbour.

So once he had got all his stuff done that the city told him to do, he got his friend to anonymously call the city about his neighbour, citing his neighbours unauthorised basement suite and oversize garden shed.

The operator at the city who took the call said to his friend making the call,  that a city inspector would be around to take a look within 2 business days! and a letter to the home owner there would be sent out within 5 days of the inspector looking around!!

So we were both shocked that this was the speed of the process. And sure enough he saw the inspector talking to the neighbour the very next day
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Therefore who did I argue with about 7 to 10 days before receiving the letter??? It was the tenant that freaked out and left... and not the neighbour.

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The plot thickens!

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I have to say that in the past, when I've come across similar situations to this one I posted about today, that putting a bit of a squeeze on someone worked out really well and got me the result I wanted.

Sure you're not winning the Mother Teresa award of excellence, but are you getting rich.
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You are forgetting that maybe a tenant of yours (now or previous tenant for prior owner) made a retroactive complaint once they were free and clear, so that future tenants don't have to live in a under-code suite.  That is the most obvious "tattler" to the city.. ...
... and not your neighbor, especially if you were the only one called out for it on your specific block.   Neighbors like him are much more likely to call about outdoor issues like parking and unmown grass.

Wow.  Called it.   (my success record is not great, so I will just bask now.  thanks)

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You are forgetting that maybe a tenant of yours (now or previous tenant for prior owner) made a retroactive complaint once they were free and clear, so that future tenants don't have to live in a under-code suite.  That is the most obvious "tattler" to the city.. ...
... and not your neighbor, especially if you were the only one called out for it on your specific block.   Neighbors like him are much more likely to call about outdoor issues like parking and unmown grass.

Does what you've what you posted actually make sense? I'm not trying to argue I'm serious...  I'm forgetting? that maybe a tenant now or previous made a retroactive complaint?

I don't really know what that means.