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Will the "Storage Unit" bubble pop? If so, when?
« on: August 25, 2017, 03:06:17 PM »
In the past year or so, I've noticed a ton of self storage facilities going up near me - I know of 2 that are completed in the last year, with a sign announcing yet another one going up.  And this is on top of the plentiful options already around.

Is this sort of growth in "store your crap" sustainable?  And, if not, when is it likely to go bust?  I wouldn't mind buying a storage facility for a dime on the dollar...

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 03:26:47 PM »
It's is one of the least capital intensive ways of getting enough revenue coming in to at least cover the taxes on a commercially zone piece of property.  Sometimes the real value is the property increasing in value. 
It's not without its headaches- some level of transactional operation needs to be set up and maintained.  Sometimes you may find a meth lab or a unit full uf worn out tires when the renter stops paying. 
As to the bubble, l don't see one yet and I think many actual owners position owning one as simple a way of diversifying a portfolio.

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 03:29:49 PM »
I've appraised self-storage facilities and these are generally multi-million dollar properties. You can get one for "cheap" (i.e. less than $500,000) if it's old, small, and/or in a rural area. However it's like a small apartment complex where it's not cost effective to have an on-site manager and you would probably need to live on-site and manage it yourself. I've seen a few new ones built in my city in the last year despite there being dozens around already. One I appraised sold for $13 million, another for about $17 million. Even at 70-80% occupancy these are still profitable and most will operate at 85% or more if well managed and in decent condition. In the last few years a lot of institutional investors (pension funds, REITs, etc.) have started buying these properties and in many cases the yields are comparable to a quality office building or shopping center.

I'm amazed when I look through the rent roll and see people who have been renting a storage unit for 5-10 years or more. I've used one once when we moved to another state for about five months while I was going through some Army training. We were going from a house to an apartment and didn't want to move a lot of our furniture, books, etc. If you have to rent a storage unit to store extra stuff, unrelated to a move, it's a pretty good sign you need to get rid of some stuff.

One owner/manager told me about an elderly person who rented three large storage units to store all the belongings of one of their adult children who had died. The were paying probably $600 a month for multiple years just because they were avoiding going through that stuff and either selling it or giving it away. Had they simply kept whatever mementos had meaning and then had an estate sale they could have been done with it in a week or two and probably made some money instead of throwing away thousands every year.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 04:15:07 PM »
In the past year or so, I've noticed a ton of self storage facilities going up near me - I know of 2 that are completed in the last year, with a sign announcing yet another one going up.  And this is on top of the plentiful options already around.

Is this sort of growth in "store your crap" sustainable?  And, if not, when is it likely to go bust?  I wouldn't mind buying a storage facility for a dime on the dollar...

My MIL (on a very limited income) maintained THREE storage units, in addition to a decrepit (unlivable) house also filled with rubbermaid totes of crap. And there was enough space in the units to consolidate down to two. Or just sell off the tools from my deceased FIL and junk the rest.

For over a decade that I know of. She probably still has them - we have very minimal contact, so I don't know for sure.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2017, 04:17:07 PM by TomTX »

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 04:22:41 PM »
For anyone who has ever thought about purchasing items at auction from storage units, just keep in mind that this is the crap that wouldn't fit in their garage/basement/attic. I.e. are you going to keep your most valuable possessions in your garage or in your storage unit? Most of the time it's just plain crap and if you buy the contents you have to take it all - the good and the bad. The fact that somebody decided it was more cost effective to just forfeit it all rather than pay $50-200 per month is a good sign that it wasn't worth even that much.

Locally a guy was just caught who broke into about 50 storage units. Just cut the metal door around the lock. I guess he did find some decent stuff (guns, power tools, etc.) but it was mostly at one property over a period of time so I'm amazed they didn't notice the rash of thefts. So much for fences, cameras, and on-site managers.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 05:06:26 PM »
I first noticed the "storage bubble" at least 20 years ago.  I very well might be wrong, but I don't think it will ever pop.

Never underestimate the ability for someone to pay $50 a month to store $100 worth of crap.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 05:20:19 PM »
An acquaintance owns one.  People fill them, charge monthly bill to a cc and try never to never think about the stuff again.  Perfect business model.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 05:28:44 PM »
Yeah I'd love to own one.  Around here we were lucky to find one with anything available when we moved.

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2017, 06:22:56 PM »
I know of people with a storage unit because their house is full and wont get rid of anything. I imagine the bubble won't pop anytime soon.

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2017, 10:52:23 PM »
Storage units are not fast money, so there usually isn't a bubble that pops.

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 12:26:57 AM »
My local city council has declared war on storage unit owners, because apparantly storage units are very commonly used in drug production and trade. People used to keep their illegal goods out of their own home so it was much harder to prove who was responsible. These days the local council is chasing the owners of the buildings, saying they're responsible for keeping a close watch on suspiscious activities. I wouldn't want to own a storage facility under these conditions: as a landlord you're legally fairly powerless to check what's really going on (you can't just go and enter someone's locked storage unit unannounced) and with most of these places having 24/7 access options it's not easy to check if other people than the person on the lease enter the unit. I'd be very reluctant to invest in one.

In Europe, many homes don't come with attached garages so people rent of buy separate garages built in blocks in their neighbourhood. These used to be very popular investments, because people want one as close as possible to their home so there's little competition, but prices have gone down massively over the last few years. People will always buy them for their own use of course, but many small time landlords would start out with garages (that cost just €15.000-€20.000) and now it's just too risky because of these drug laws.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 08:40:53 AM »
It's is one of the least capital intensive ways of getting enough revenue coming in to at least cover the taxes on a commercially zone piece of property.  Sometimes the real value is the property increasing in value. 
It's not without its headaches- some level of transactional operation needs to be set up and maintained.  Sometimes you may find a meth lab or a unit full uf worn out tires when the renter stops paying. 
As to the bubble, l don't see one yet and I think many actual owners position owning one as simple a way of diversifying a portfolio.

This.  It's an easy way to hold commercial land until better uses come along.

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 10:47:47 AM »
One of the tactics to keep illegal activity in check at a well run facility is to find a local police department with a K-9 group and offer up your aisles as a place to train and work out their dogs.  They would plant contraband though out the facility a couple times a year and let the dogs go find it.  Sometimes the dogs would stop at units that were not planted... you can figure out the rest!
The only thing the owner asked for was the right to photograph some of the K9 teams working in the unit.  The guy selected 3 or 4 photos, had them enlarged and framed and hung them on the wall behind the sales counter.  If potential clients decided they wanted to "think about it" before signing a contract, the owner didn't feel the least bit bad about it. 

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 11:22:57 AM »
Thanks, that all makes sense.

I'd wondered about one of the unit locations in what seemed like prime commercial areas, but "paying the taxes and mortgage while it appreciates" makes a ton of sense.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 12:42:02 PM »
I've appraised self-storage facilities and these are generally multi-million dollar properties. You can get one for "cheap" (i.e. less than $500,000) if it's old, small, and/or in a rural area. However it's like a small apartment complex where it's not cost effective to have an on-site manager and you would probably need to live on-site and manage it yourself. I've seen a few new ones built in my city in the last year despite there being dozens around already. One I appraised sold for $13 million, another for about $17 million. Even at 70-80% occupancy these are still profitable and most will operate at 85% or more if well managed and in decent condition. In the last few years a lot of institutional investors (pension funds, REITs, etc.) have started buying these properties and in many cases the yields are comparable to a quality office building or shopping center.

I'm amazed when I look through the rent roll and see people who have been renting a storage unit for 5-10 years or more. I've used one once when we moved to another state for about five months while I was going through some Army training. We were going from a house to an apartment and didn't want to move a lot of our furniture, books, etc. If you have to rent a storage unit to store extra stuff, unrelated to a move, it's a pretty good sign you need to get rid of some stuff.

One owner/manager told me about an elderly person who rented three large storage units to store all the belongings of one of their adult children who had died. The were paying probably $600 a month for multiple years just because they were avoiding going through that stuff and either selling it or giving it away. Had they simply kept whatever mementos had meaning and then had an estate sale they could have been done with it in a week or two and probably made some money instead of throwing away thousands every year.

Wow, very informative. It is sad people spend so much money on storage units to avoid cleaning them out because it is hard emotionally.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2017, 12:44:40 PM by kissthesky »

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2017, 02:49:27 AM »
One of the tactics to keep illegal activity in check at a well run facility is to find a local police department with a K-9 group and offer up your aisles as a place to train and work out their dogs.  They would plant contraband though out the facility a couple times a year and let the dogs go find it.  Sometimes the dogs would stop at units that were not planted... you can figure out the rest!
The only thing the owner asked for was the right to photograph some of the K9 teams working in the unit.  The guy selected 3 or 4 photos, had them enlarged and framed and hung them on the wall behind the sales counter.  If potential clients decided they wanted to "think about it" before signing a contract, the owner didn't feel the least bit bad about it.

This is a really clever idea.

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2017, 11:17:03 PM »
I don't think it will ever pop. Some cities around me in Fort Worth will not let anyone build anymore storage units.

We thought about buying one 6 years ago but decided against it.

Michael in ABQ, I'm not real sure you know what you are talking about. My friend Marsha makes a great living reselling things from storage units. She just sold us an antique dresser from the 1800's for $350.... she paid $85 for the whole storage unit filled. Marsha puts in about 40 hours a week (no weekends) and makes a profit of a minimum $5000 a month and the reason I know is because she told me her minimum. When my buddy Dwight has extra time he likes to buy storage units. He says he always at least triples his money. It's all about if you are a real salesperson or not. As for what is in the units..... lots have great hidden treasures but you gotta take the bad with the good. Some are filled with junk the dump thinks twice about taking. But as a whole..... they are never filled with crap they couldn't store in their house. Just not true. Most are filled by people that lost their house or are moving. Lots of times they say in their mind that they will only have it there 2 months max..... 2 years later their life didn't magically get better like they thought it would (reminds me of people that take out a loan), they can't afford the $85 rent so now they lose all their stuff that they spent $2000 to keep. On the bright side, when their life does get better they can replace everything for $600 and have NEW stuff. :)

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 05:44:56 AM »
I first noticed the "storage bubble" at least 20 years ago.  I very well might be wrong, but I don't think it will ever pop.

Never underestimate the ability for someone to pay $100 a month to store $50 worth of crap.
FTFY, Spork.

I'm someone who had a storage unit for years. Happily, paid for by my employer. I used it to store samples, displays, etc.

Another problem I observed was people living out of their units. Tough to deal with if you're an owner/property manager.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 07:33:58 AM »
Hopefully, it does pop and they're torn down. It'd make the world a much better place.

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 08:33:22 AM »
One guy fixed cars out of a storage unit he rented. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2017, 08:54:21 AM »
I think today's young people are accumulating less stuff than their parents did. At some point, we will find that enough baby boomers have died off that the storage unit business no longer needs to grow.

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2017, 08:59:16 AM »
One guy fixed cars out of a storage unit he rented.

I've done that before...it was awful.  Never again.  I'd rather work on a gravel drive than do that again. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2017, 09:33:26 AM »
I think today's young people are accumulating less stuff than their parents did. At some point, we will find that enough baby boomers have died off that the storage unit business no longer needs to grow.

Until the younger people start earning more and are able to afford houses and go down the same path.

By the way, I know quite a few boomers, and none of them have storage units.

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 07:43:26 AM »
I mentioned this in another thread, but I worked in the head office for a small-ish storage company last year. It's a fascinating industry. One that doesn't look like it's going anywhere anytime soon.

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2017, 08:06:22 AM »
I don't see it going away.  The company I work for shares a building with a storage/moving company.  They also have outdoor "parking spots" behind the building they rent out.  Someone parked a boat back there at least 12 years ago, and has been paying the bill every month ever since.  In the meantime, the boat has pretty much fallen apart and rusted to pieces.  But they still pay their bill, so it stays there.

And as others have said, I'm pretty sure the owner of the building is basically using the storage company to pay the holding costs of the property, as it is in a pretty "prime" spot.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 01:53:33 PM »
I've known homeless people using a small storage unit as their closet. Provides access to a relatively clean bathroom, a place to store camping equipment during the day, and a place to store valuables at night.

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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2017, 03:57:59 PM »
A friend just got hired on as a site manager at a largeish self-storage company here in St. Louis. Starting pay was $50k with 401k, bonuses, great health insurance and there is an apartment on-site that she can live in rent-free. I had no idea there was that much money in the business to pay the staff that much!

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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2017, 07:52:36 AM »
See also a related bubble: car washes.

I actually think demand for standalone car washes will go up as clean water gets more expensive and precious.  The standalone washes are more water efficient than doing it with a garden hose, and I think that there will eventually be penalties for washing your car in your own driveway in the desert states like Arizona, California, etc. 

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2017, 09:46:12 AM »
I actually think demand for standalone car washes will go up as clean water gets more expensive and precious.  The standalone washes are more water efficient than doing it with a garden hose, and I think that there will eventually be penalties for washing your car in your own driveway in the desert states like Arizona, California, etc.
During the drought, many car washes touted their efficiency with water, while service providers that used to do a basic complementary hose spray wash dropped the service (some partnered with a standalone car wash and provided vouchers or coupons).

There already are penalties for using a garden hose without a nozzel to wash a car in many areas, but I doubt increased restrictions would be tolerated. If we move towards the driverless car service model that many think is the future, standalone car washes will may decline because fleets will have their own servicing centers.

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2017, 09:53:36 AM »
About 8-9 years ago I lived in an apartment that got infested with bed bugs.  I took all of my stuff to a self storage place and threw it in a locker and then moved to another apartment after taking very little (just the clothes on my back and my computer).  I went back to the locker six months later and opened a Rubbermaid tub -- unbelievably a bed bug was right there looking up at me from a book or whatever was in that bin.  I had heard that they could live for more than a year without feeding but didn't really believe it.  So I left everything in there for about two years before I got it out. 


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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2017, 10:47:00 AM »
That PODS company started where I live here in Clearwater, Fla., about 20 years ago. I remember mocking their low-budget TV commercials and their cheesy tagline "PUT IT IN A POD!"

The founder made a ton of money and then sold PODS in 2012 for $450 million.

Brilliant dude.

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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2017, 11:15:40 AM »
I don't think the storage unit bubble will pop until the useless stuff bubble pops. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2017, 11:44:30 AM »
See also a related bubble: car washes.

I actually think demand for standalone car washes will go up as clean water gets more expensive and precious.  The standalone washes are more water efficient than doing it with a garden hose, and I think that there will eventually be penalties for washing your car in your own driveway in the desert states like Arizona, California, etc.

I've seen a lot of express car washes being built all over New Mexico. It's a pretty attractive value proposition. It costs $6 and I get a clean vehicle in a few minutes plus a shaded area with nice powerful vacuums to suck up all the dirt and crumbs made by five kids routinely eating snacks in the back. All told we can be in an out in about 15 minutes and the kids enjoy going through the car wash. I sure couldn't wash my vehicle in the driveway that quickly and the 30-45 minutes I save is well worth $6.

I appraised one in Santa Fe, NM and they had a very extensive water recycling system as water rights are pretty expensive there and the city is always trying to get people to conserve water.