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Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« on: May 10, 2014, 05:09:14 PM »
I hadn't been on the main site for few months, but today I visited and read the latest blog by MMM on why he loves living in Logmont. That inspired me to open this topic here as well (I prefer forum over blog comments). So what are the advantages and disadvantages of living your area? Hopefully more advantages :) Please don't limit to financial aspects.

Let me start...

Medium size city in the German part of Switzerland

Advantages:

- high salaries and low unemployment (3-4%)
- superb public transport (bus, tram, suburban rail), prices are low for regular users
- very good cycling infrastructure
- close to the mountains with world class opportunities for skiing, hiking and mountainbiking
- pleasant climate with low humidity, snow on the ground max 2-3 weeks per year. No air conditioning needed.
- good cultural scene (museums, theatre, music etc) although I'm not too much into it
- if I want restaurants or bars there are a couple hundred within walking/cycling distance. Same goes for all kinds of shopping options
- well positioned in the middle of Europe making easier for me to travel
- very low crime. I could visit any neighbourhood after dark and feel perfectly safe

Disadvantages:

- Prices, prices and again prices. Everything costs 2-3 times more than somewhere in the American Midwest. You'd struggle to find any property in the city for less than half a million.
- If you are not born here it's not easy to integrate. More so than elsewhere in Western Europe
- I really miss the sea...

That's from my perspective so no comments about schools since I didn't grow up here and don't have any kids.

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 07:49:34 PM »
Canberra Australia

We bought 15 years ago. I am looking out over the valley and the hills around it - I can see national park from my window. Currently there are a lot of trees in autumn leaves (which are spectacular this year). I live in a quiet neighbourhood - I can count the number of cars that go past each day on one hand, and my neighbours are quiet. I have a normal size block - with enough land to grow my own vegetables and fruit, without growing too much.  We have a park opposite (in Canberra the top of every hill is a park), where there are 300 year old yellow box trees (eucalypts). My area of Canberra has been planned so that no child needs to cross a major road to get to school - there are walking tracks everywhere. There are two shopping centres in easy walking distance, and the bigger one is a hub with a large supermarket, lots of stores, restaurants, medical centres, dental centres, pathology service, and a college and library, as well as sports clubs, gym, and swimming pool.

The climate is nice - yes we have already had a few frosts last week, and it gets down to cold (by Australian standards) temperatures - it may even snow one day a year, but it is often sunny in winter, and there aren't that many really hot days in summer.

There is a lot of native forest nearby to enjoy. As the capital of Australia, Canberra is a hub for cultural life - we have the national museum, art gallery and library - we also have all the embassies, who participate in other cultural activities. At night, the sky is a sea of stars (the southern hemisphere faces the milky way so we see more stars than the northern hemisphere), and from my windows the lights of the whole valley are like Christmas lights every night. Nearby is the deep space station, and Honeysuckle Creek where the photographs of the first step on the moon were transmitted.

If I wanted to go to the coast, there is a direct route, and I am close to the NSW ski fields. There is a bus to Sydney, which goes several times a day (Sydney is about 3.5 hours away).

Canberra has good schools, universities and colleges, including the Australian Institute of Sport which trains elite athletes and the Australian National University. Canberra is a relatively small city, so doesn't make it into many surveys, and it is easy to get around - nothing is more than half an hour away. Because many people in Canberra are federal public servants, we have higher salaries than other parts of Australia, and (traditionally) lower unemployment - this fluctuates as the government changes.

We have a ridiculous bus system - I can get a bus every 15 minutes on the weekend, but much less frequently during the week. Everything (including petrol) costs more than elsewhere in Australia - partly due to the high salaries. Roadworks seem to take forever to do almost nothing (they are widening a road near me between two roundabouts for a year so far), but the roads are very good, and there is really no such thing as a traffic jam.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 10:14:33 PM »
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Because:  Hawaii!

It's easier to list the reasons that people don't like it here. 

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 10:45:06 PM »
Minneapolis- awful weather, high taxes and the locals are very insular (insert old joke about a Minnesotan will give you directions to anywhere but his house). However, most of the native-borns are terrified at the thought of even getting close to crossing the state line so there must be some positives I don't understand.

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 12:18:51 AM »
Northern Nevada, not quite far enough outside Reno.

Love: The mountains, Tahoe, the desert, California's "Empty Quarter" that's not quite mountains, but has lots of dirt road & trails for riding the horses (or bikes) all day, usually  without seeing anyone else.

Likes:  Close enough to town to get decent internet service, drive to the university in a half hour (or bike in an hour).

Dislikes: Too many other people like the place, so it keeps growing.  The weather kinda sucks at times: some hot days in the summer, and in winter it seldom stays cold enough to keep the fresh powder in the mountains from turning to slush after a few days.  And did I mention the wind?  See Mark Twain on the 'Washoe Zephyr': http://www.twainquotes.com/Zephyr.html

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 12:34:15 AM »
Baltimore, MD

Pluses:

-VERY affordable
-great housing stock with lots of great architecture
-beautiful home gardens
-friendly down to Earth population
-great food
-proximity to DC, Eastern shore, Philly, and NYC
-great housing investment opportunities
-currently being redeveloped
-several really nice hidden gem neighborhoods

Minuses:
-everyone thinks because you live in Baltimore you must live in a scene from The Wire
-job market could be better
-poverty is very bad in some areas

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 12:56:07 AM »
Christchurch, New Zealand

Pros
- 1 hour to ski fields
- 20 minutes to the beach
- flat city for easy cycling
- friends and family nearby
- I live one block away from farmland, 4 parks within walking distance, yet only 20 minutes cycle to work

Cons
- beaches aren't as good as in the north island (no natural shade, colder water)
- very little native forest left
- earthquakes
- no town center/central business district (see reason above)
- Antarctic winds

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2014, 05:31:25 AM »
San Antonio, Texas:

Pros:

1.  Good economy, city is growing/thriving
2.  Low taxes and no income tax
3.  Low cost of living for a large city
4.  Business friendly with plenty of Jobs
5.  Interesting mix of "American" and Central/South American culture
6.  Friendly people (as a native of NY, this took me a while to get used to- talk about culture shock :).
7.  Great basketball team

Cons:
1.  It's hot in the spring and fall.
2.  It's really hot in the summer
3.  Did I mention that it gets hot?
4.  I mean really, really hot.


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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2014, 05:55:58 AM »
NorthWest Ohio.  Love it.

- We have all the seasons, so you get to experience 100F in the Summer and -15F in the Winter.  Not super extreme, but a little sampling of both ends of the spectrum.
- Lots of activities.  Kind of in the middle of everything.  Chicago's not too far West if you want the big city experience, Cleveland to the East, Columbus to the South.  Head North for outdoorsy adventures (Detroits up there too, but nobody cares).
- It's pretty flat in the immediate area, which makes for good commuting on bicycle, but if you want to ride in hills, you don't have to go too far North to find some excellent hill riding areas.
- We've got a lot of rivers and lakes for any kind of water activity one could want.
- For the racers in the group we're near a couple of world class facilities (Norwalk for drag racing and Mid-Ohio for road racing, MIS for NASCAR fans), but also have a lot of cheaper places around (lots of dirt ovals, a couple nice paved ovals, several road course, and a couple other drag strips).
- For pilots, we're blessed with several very nice airports with rentals/clubs, and we have a good mix of airspace.  Room to fly VFR without talking to anyone if you want, but if you want to practice in bigger airspace it's available in the area too.
- Great place to be as a nerd.  Small enough that anyone can get involved pretty easily, yet our local startup scene is so busy I can't make but a few of the events going on.  Ann Arbor just up the road is even busier, TONS of cool tech things happening there.
- All in all, we're small enough to have that friendly feel, but big enough that we get some of the benefits of being a larger city.

I could go on and on for hours...  :-)

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2014, 06:08:36 AM »
Queens, New York

Pros:

1. Manhattan has lots of job opportunities.
2. TONS of free/cheap things to do, and they are usually high caliber. A-list bands regularly play for free in the summer concert series, live comedy is often $5, or free (Hannibal Burress performs free every Sunday). Lots of awesome free museums, cheap live music, etc.
3. Diversity. I grew up in a small Midwestern town, so I really appreciate the variety of people here.
4. Food. From the grocery stores to the farmers markets to the restaurants, NYC is a cheap food city. I spent nearly double on food when I lived in Boston. I can get a fantastic meal here for way less that in other cities.
5. Public Transportation. No need for a car. Ever.
6. Excitement. There is a real pulse to the city that is exciting, you can always be doing something. You'll never know every single nook and cranny.
7. The best. Whatever you want to do, see, hear, taste, you can probably find the best or close to the best version here.
8. Salary. Cost is high, but salaries are high too.

Cons:
1. Cost. My 475 square foot (2 bedroom) apartment costs $1500 a month. This is considered a very good deal. Fortunately I split it with my fella. We had a better deal when we had roommates (about $575 each), which is why it's not unusual to have people well into their 30s with roommates. I would never buy here, it's just too expensive for what you get.
2. Lack of green space. I didn't expect this to get to me, but it does. 
3. Born and raised, NYCers (yes, this includes Staten and Long Island). Ok, so I'm not trying to offend anyone here, and if you are a NYC native I'm sure you're the exception to the rule. THAT BEING SAID, I can talk to someone and in about two minutes tell you if they are native to the NYC area. I work almost exclusively with them, and there is a vaguely unfriendly/competitive/loud mouth/aggressive edge to them, accompanied in many cases by a totally provincial attitude. Many have never lived outside the city, and have hardly been outside the state, yet because they live in NYC, they feel they are worldly and the authority on absolutely everything. I have lived in a lot of states, small towns, big cities, the gamut- and I can assure you, native NYCers are their own breed of obnoxious. I have found, surprisingly, that non-native NYers (transplants) are very friendly in the city- I know all the shopkeepers in my neighborhood, and I've made friends just going to bars or sitting in cafes. 
4. Weather. I've lived in worse weather, but I prefer a really hot climate.
5. It's hard. This is hard to explain unless you've lived here, but everything is just a little harder to do in NYC. A basic errand like going to home depot is a whole day ordeal (e.g. take the train one hour each way to get there, bring cart with you on train, battle the million other people in the store, etc.)

VERDICT: I like NYC. I'm really glad I have had the chance to live here, I always wanted to when I was growing up. I don't think I'll live here forever for the reasons listed under cons. I'm definitely a city person, but I would prefer a slightly smaller, less expensive city as my forever home. A place where I will be able to afford a nice home and where doing day to day errands is a little easier.
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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2014, 07:07:01 AM »
Milwaukee, the west side of the city proper.

Easy to list negatives: weather, taxes, bad schools, but I do like the 4 seasons.

Positives:

-lots of green space. 3 parks within walking distance of my house, several more excellent ones within biking distance. This includes a river that's almost entirely green space for ten miles. Some of it's developed park area, other parts just have hiking/single track MTB trails.

-Homeschool regulation is incredibly light.

-No mountains, but several state parks with lots of hilly trails within 60 miles round trip. Most of them also have lakes for swimming. In the summer, we like to do a picnic, hike, and then swim all in one day at the same spot.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2014, 07:24:16 AM »
Melbourne, Australia.

Pros:
- Multicultural, so many different cuisines from all corners of the world, lots of great places to eat and drink.
- Good public transport, I've lived here for years and never had a car.
- Has great culture and character - hidden bars in alleyways, museums, theaters, live music, street art, buskers, festivals, random cool stuff (I once encountered an impromptu performance on a tram by undercover choir members who looked just like a typical mix of commuters strewn around e.g. businessman in a suit, hippie girl, etc. until they started singing out of the blue).
- I love buying produce at the great markets.
- A mix of city life with parks, tree-lined suburbs, etc. And it's easy to find your way around.
- It's clean, the air is good, and I really like the taste of the tap water here.

Cons:
- Winter is cloudy, wet and miserable. Summer sees many days above 40C/100F.
- Though I put public transport as a pro, it still annoys me often enough that it also gets a spot as a con. Glitches seem to happen a bit too often, leaving people stranded. Timetables and efficiency can definitely still be improved. Especially considering how much tickets cost.
- It can be expensive (especially property, ugh), though I guess that goes for pretty much all of Australia.

I just love Melbourne... I didn't grow up here but it's like my second home. I'm sad I'm leaving soon (but also excited because it's to travel the world). I know things can change, but at this stage I still think I'd like to come back to live here again eventually.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 09:03:42 AM »
Roanoke Virginia , USA:

+Very low COL, even compared to other cities in the state
+Mountains with nice views and outdoor activities
+Short commutes (15-20 minutes to anywhere in the valley)
+Decent selection of employers in my field.
+Rapidly improving downtown area
+Great for families (or so I hear)
+Four seasons, with mild winters

-Less cosmopolitan than other cities
-High crime in some areas (competing with Richmond for worst in the state)
-Mediocre public transport
-Most major music acts bypass the area
-Nightlife is still a bit limited unless you like bars.
-Typical East Coast humidity

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2014, 01:16:01 PM »
Palo Alto, CA

Pros:
-Exceptional mediterranean climate
-Abundance of fresh fruits and vegetables
-Very bike friendly, lots of bike lanes & bike boulevards, drivers are fairly patient
-Lots of great public green spaces
-Good public libraries
-Strong job market, high salaries

Cons:
-Extremely high COL. I pay $800/mo to rent a room in a house with a shared bathroom, and I have a very good deal. I am permanently priced out of home ownership here
-Somewhat limited cultural/nightlife options unless you want to travel into SF or San Jose
-Public transit is so-so, but no better/worse than a typical American suburb (actually probably above average compared to a typical American suburb)

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2014, 02:07:26 PM »
I've already listed it on the post but:
Wellington NZ

Pros:
Walkable
Lots of cycling/walking tracks
Decent public transport (in comparison with the rest of NZ)
Great food/Coffee
High winds mean that the air quality is better than it has any right to be.
Lots of parks/bush/wildlife sanctuary
Seals!
Steam punk junkyard minigolf
Tech start ups/interesting culture

Cons:
Earthquakes
High winds
Houses are expensive and often badly built.
the mysterious leaking storm drain that is stopping the diving platform from being used.
Politicians (actually they're not so bad but it is nearly obligatory to dislike them).

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2014, 04:47:57 PM »
Toronto, Canada

Pros:
- Abundant opportunities.
- Incredible Culture.
- Diverse/forward thinking society


Cons:
- Cost of living ($650k+ for 800 sq. ft. bungalows within city limits)
- Infrastructure and traffic congestion is like no other, rated worse than L.A. by now (kill me pls)
- Weather, winters are long, summers are very humid.

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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2014, 08:54:24 PM »
I live in China's capital, a city with the best and worst of urban living.

Pros:
* Fantastic cultural resources
* Hands-down, THE best city in Asia for art production - and IMO, the world today
* It's an exciting time to live here: you still feel there is new ground to tread in some industries (though the Wild West days are over)
* Delicious restaurants - you can find the best of China's diverse regional cuisines here
* Excellent salaries and savings potential for expat-type jobs
* Incredibly cheap and diverse public transport
* Incredibly cheap and delicious produce - just be sure to wash it thoroughly
* You get to practice using an important world language every day, while gaining a bizarre-sounding 'posh' accent ;)
* Rent can be reasonable and is often covered by one's employer

Cons:
* Horrible air and water pollution. While I'm not an 'outdoor' person, you can feel really trapped after having to spend so much time inside when the air gets unhealthy/hazardous
* Terribly cold winters - similar in some ways to the upper Midwest (which I escaped years ago, saying I'd never live in weather like that again)
* Frequent respiratory or gastrointestinal illnesses, due to hygiene and pollution problems
* As the center of power for a gigantic, essentially northern 'communist' country, daily life can feel stern and regulated
* The city's authentic historical architecture has mostly been razed - and a minuscule portion has been rebuilt. Streets are grey, filled with concrete and asphalt, dotted with wads of spittle and strategically-placed flower arrangements. Buildings are mostly glass and granite boxes.

Verdict? I've just signed a contract (a big promotion) for 2 more years. It is without question my dream job. We will probably leave China at the end of it, but will stay in Asia until FI, where salaries and lifestyle are great and taxes are generally low. Then again, if I stay here an extra year the end-of-contract bonus will go way up. So, who knows. Or I may transfer to another regional location within my org.

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2014, 10:28:26 PM »
Vancouver, Canada

Pros:
1. Lots of affordable housing options that don't exist elsewhere, like housing co-ops, laneway houses, and micro suites.
2. SUPER bike friendly
3. Great public transit system
4. Lots of ethnic markets for cheap groceries
5. A strong hipster culture means people don't think it's completely insane to DIY and be anti-consumer. You do get labelled a hipster though - con?
6. Great climate
7. Lots of outdoors activities, especially hiking and biking!
8. Beaches right in the city!
9. International airport with a metro line leading to it from downtown - makes travel very easy.

Cons:
1. If you're an idiot, you'll end up paying a fortune in rent, and everything else.

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2014, 10:54:28 PM »
My husband is Chinese and we live in Flushing Chinatown, and he told me admiringly about a house around here where the owners RIPPED OUT THE YARD AND PAVED IT IN CONCRETE. So clean! So modern! So efficient! No dirt! Meanwhile, I'm experiencing depression from the total lack of plants around here. I knew there'd be cultural clashes in this marriage, but the fact that my husband would consider asphalt superior to a little flower bed was not was I was anticipating.

Agreed. I mean, I get where he's coming from - concrete is SO much lower-maintenance than organic materials. It's cheaper to repair, and easier to keep bugs out. Vintage textures attract dust and dirt. But as one block of hutongs after another is knocked down in my 'hood and Disneyfied into million-dollar cheap reproductions, the fabric of the city is destroyed. Again.

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2014, 10:55:51 PM »
I live about 80 miles outside Los Angeles. For me, there are exactly TWO advantages.

1. My kids live here.
2. It never snows.

Otherwise, I'd live in the South.

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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2014, 11:22:37 PM »
I live in China's capital, a city with the best and worst of urban living.


Verdict? I've just signed a contract (a big promotion) for 2 more years. It is without question my dream job. We will probably leave China at the end of it, but will stay in Asia until FI, where salaries and lifestyle are great and taxes are generally low. Then again, if I stay here an extra year the end-of-contract bonus will go way up. So, who knows. Or I may transfer to another regional location within my org.

Expartartist - I can entirely relate with what you are saying.

I live in Jakarta, a big (15 million plus) and crowded Asian city.

I am here by choice (or the lure of dollars and low tax rate).

I find that despite the terrible pollution (but not as bad as Beijing), terrible traffic congestion (much worse than Beijing) and poor infrastructure, it is an exciting and interesting.

Jakarta has a big cultural diversity (though dominated by Javanese culture), the shopping, restaurants and night life are world class.

Outdoor activities are very limited - there are basically no footpaths and no where to even think about riding a bike (apart from on Sunday mornings).

I also think Jakarta has a much better climate than Beijing - basically 32-34 degrees every day of the year.

It also has the advantage of being a very friendly and safe city.

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2014, 12:31:14 AM »
* Horrible air and water pollution. While I'm not an 'outdoor' person, you can feel really trapped after having to spend so much time inside when the air gets unhealthy/hazardous

I've sometimes wondered why some people think the pollution doesn't come inside with the rest of the air.  Maybe a good HVAC system could filter out particulates, but CO, HC, NOx, O3 are going to come right in.

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2014, 12:45:14 AM »
* Horrible air and water pollution. While I'm not an 'outdoor' person, you can feel really trapped after having to spend so much time inside when the air gets unhealthy/hazardous

I've sometimes wondered why some people think the pollution doesn't come inside with the rest of the air.  Maybe a good HVAC system could filter out particulates, but CO, HC, NOx, O3 are going to come right in.

Those of us who choose to live in Beijing are pretty well aware of the pollution and its effects. As a child-free ex-smoker I'm not as bothered as others who have more of a a 'body as temple' approach to life. We have two air purifiers (one provided by my work) which filter out the 2.5 particulates to a degree, which are the biggest concern.

@Lukim Glad to hear you enjoy Jakarta! It is on my top 5 list for potential destinations en route to FI. DH has a hard time in tropical climates but I love them. Lived in Bangkok & Malaysia for a while and really enjoyed them too.

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2014, 02:11:00 AM »
Expatartist - Jakarta is one of the best kept secrets.  I have lived over half my life in the tropics and now have difficulty going anywhere where there is a chance the daytime temperature will not get about 20 degrees (I nearly froze in Beijing).

Its a good place to get to FI as the tax rate is not outrageous the cost of living is manageable (you can live very frugally if you want to) - unlike Singapore and Hong Kong which have low taxes but everything else is outrageously expensive.

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2014, 02:26:10 AM »
I also think Jakarta has a much better climate than Beijing - basically 32-34 degrees every day of the year.
I assume you are talking Celsius rather than Fahrenheit - a bit too hot for me!

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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2014, 02:46:27 AM »
Definitely centigrade!!

I thought the whole world was centigrade (apart from the US).

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2014, 04:52:48 AM »
Melbourne, Australia.

Pros:
- Multicultural, so many different cuisines from all corners of the world, lots of great places to eat and drink.
- Good public transport, I've lived here for years and never had a car.
- Has great culture and character - hidden bars in alleyways, museums, theaters, live music, street art, buskers, festivals, random cool stuff (I once encountered an impromptu performance on a tram by undercover choir members who looked just like a typical mix of commuters strewn around e.g. businessman in a suit, hippie girl, etc. until they started singing out of the blue).
- I love buying produce at the great markets.
- A mix of city life with parks, tree-lined suburbs, etc. And it's easy to find your way around.
- It's clean, the air is good, and I really like the taste of the tap water here.

Cons:
- Winter is cloudy, wet and miserable. Summer sees many days above 40C/100F.
- Though I put public transport as a pro, it still annoys me often enough that it also gets a spot as a con. Glitches seem to happen a bit too often, leaving people stranded. Timetables and efficiency can definitely still be improved. Especially considering how much tickets cost.
- It can be expensive (especially property, ugh), though I guess that goes for pretty much all of Australia.

I just love Melbourne... I didn't grow up here but it's like my second home. I'm sad I'm leaving soon (but also excited because it's to travel the world). I know things can change, but at this stage I still think I'd like to come back to live here again eventually.

Likewise, I'm currently in Melbourne but didn't grow up here. I'd agree with the above, and add a few more:

Pros:
 - There's always something happening somewhere in Melbourne, whatever you're into. Sports events, art galleries, cultural festivals, you name it, you can probably find one happening around here.
 - Good nightlife and plenty of live music.
 - Doesn't seem pretentious/image obsessed. After all, even our most famous building is actually quite run down once you look closer, and that's perfectly OK.
 - The weather's not really that bad. It can be a bit bleak and rainy for a while, but Melbourne doesn't actually get that much rain (around 650mm a year IIRC). I'm sure plenty of people would think that 13C days in winter are extremely mild if they're used to -30C.
 - Decent public transport, especially in some of the closer-in areas. Plenty of bike-trails around as well.
 - Decent salaries and employment opportunities.
 - Lots of high quality universities/TAFE colleges.
 - Top-notch espresso coffee is not hard to find.
 - Lots of famous/high profile sporting events. Football (especially Aussie Rules but rugby and soccer too), cricket, golf, tennis, the F1, horse racing, you name it.
 - Surf beaches are only a couple hours drive away, and it's only a few hours from the skifields. Plenty of pretty hilly areas not far from the city either. Lots of good places to go for a daytrip or a weekend trip out of town.
 - My family's only a couple of hours away.

Cons:
 - Housing prices, especially for areas reasonably close to the city. Many of the cheaper places are either in less-pleasant suburbs, or in new estates miles away from anywhere but a shopping mall (where the clown lifestyle is practically mandatory). Apartments and units don't fare that much better than houses price-wise really.
 - Four seasons in one day, especially in spring. Yes the weather in winter can suck too, and we don't even get any snow as part of the bargain.
 - The so called 'rivalry' between Melbourne and Sydney that only people from Melbourne tend to really care about. Admit it, the city is compared to Sydney far too often.
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2014, 05:59:19 AM »
Meh, Melbourne, Shemelbourne.
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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2014, 06:30:08 AM »
Another perspective on Milwaukee, specifically a suburb named Wauwatosa.

Pros:
  • Low housing costs (updated 3 bed 1.5 bath houses for under $200k).
  • Low cost of living.
  • Easy access to amenities.
  • Car, bike, and walk friendly (grocery store and restaurants within walking distance, huge mall within biking distance).
  • Average commutes are well under 30 minutes (my commute is under 10 minutes).
  • Numerous summer festivals.
  • Large enough to have 2 pro sports teams, a theatre district, art museum, startup scene, and other big city amenities.
  • Small enough to still be easy to get around in.

Cons:
  • Brutal, long winters and short but hot, humid summers (2nd coldest continental US metro area after Minneapolis).
  • High income tax (6.5 percent).
  • High property tax ($4k on a $200k house).
  • Less metropolitan than Chicago or Minneapolis.
  • Very conservative for a large metro area, especially in the suburbs.
  • Most segregated metro area in the US. The city's north side is all black, south side is all Hispanic. Suburbs are very white and very racist.
  • Not the greatest job market, especially in the tech sector. Tech wages are much lower than neighboring metro areas.
  • High levels of poverty and crime. The north side of Milwaukee is full of abandoned houses and empty lots.
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2014, 06:43:30 AM »
Northern Virginia, DC suburbs

Pros:

1. Lots of free museums.
2. Lots of free classical music.
3. Lots of classical music in general.
4. Weather fits for me (long hot muggy summers - you betcha! mild winters)
5. Easy access to other East Coast cities and recreation areas.
6. Reasonably good public transportation.
7. Reasonably good bike accessibility.

Cons

1. Cost of Living, especially housing.
2. Traffic!
3. Lots of status seekers to interact with.

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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2014, 07:02:32 AM »
We are in a suburb of Lawrence, KS

Pros:
-low cost of living.  A really nice house can be purchased around 200K
-lots of culture and nightlife
-abundance of local businesses and food
-very little traffic
-almost everyone strives to live a "green" life
-many jobs in the area (more on this in cons)
-4 distinct seasons
-abundant wildlife
-bike friendly
-almost weekly low cost or free concerts or festivals
-most neighborhoods are well kept and not too much poverty

Cons:
-Most jobs are in nearby Kansas City or Topeka
-Arctic winters and hot summers with short spring and fall
-strange Kansas laws and regulations

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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2014, 07:21:32 AM »
Toronto, Canada

Pros:
- Abundant opportunities.
- Incredible Culture.
- Diverse/forward thinking society


Cons:
- Cost of living ($650k+ for 800 sq. ft. bungalows within city limits)
- Infrastructure and traffic congestion is like no other, rated worse than L.A. by now (kill me pls)
- Weather, winters are long, summers are very humid.



Expanding upon the above:
Pros:
- Surprisingly large number of parks, beaches, and nature areas throughout the city.
- Crime is very low for a city of this size
- Bunch of cool stuff to do . . . TIFF, the ROM, Taste of the Danforth, the Ex, Ontario Science Center, Hockey Hall of Fame, music festivals, concerts, various sports stuff all year 'round, etc.
- Very low property taxes
- Fantastic library system


Cons:
- Cycling infrastructure is not great in most places.  We have plenty of cycling lanes, but it's rare for them to connect to one another.
- We have desperately needed better public transit for about 10 years now.  It is unlikely for any public transit to actually be built in the next 10-20 years unless we have some kind of huge upheaval at city hall.
- The rest of Canada hates us for some reason.  (?)
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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2014, 07:32:45 AM »
Minneapolis- awful weather, high taxes and the locals are very insular (insert old joke about a Minnesotan will give you directions to anywhere but his house). However, most of the native-borns are terrified at the thought of even getting close to crossing the state line so there must be some positives I don't understand.

hahaha. I'm a native Minnesotan (moved to Pennsylvania when I was 21, now live in Tulsa) and it's weird, I've heard about Minnesotans being insular too. it's interesting to hear the outsider perspective. I LOVE Minnesota, my whole family lives in St. Paul and I would love to move back one day. I think "awful weather" is relative and/or a matter of personal preference ;)

as for Tulsa, I would say the pros are:

- very low cost of living
- mild winters, I guess this is a pro? I guess people here don't think the winters are THAT mild. as a native Minnesotan, they are mild as fuck
- not a lot of traffic
- people are pretty friendly... we made a lot of friends really quickly, but that could also just be us and our drinking/running club
- lots of jobs for geologists :)
- most liberal place in Oklahoma
- surprisingly awesome recreational bike/running paths/park system
- still big enough that there's always stuff going on
- unhealthy and delicious food
- some cool Art Deco architecture, and fun Route 66-era kitsch (the Blue Whale of Catoosa!!)
- great farmers market
- lots of dog-friendly activities... lots of people have dogs
- downtown is experiencing a renaissance that is pretty fun to observe
- despite not being very bike friendly, a good number of people still bike, there's definitely a "bike culture"
- ideal weather for line-drying your clothes (sunny and windy, in the summer they dry in like an hour)

cons:
- awful weather! :) temperatures >105F multiple times per summer. only like 4 days of spring. yuck. at least there are 4 distinct seasons though, so I guess that is a pro
- really bad for seasonal allergies... I'm guessing due to being dry and windy?
- Republican politicians... the really bad kind
- a lot of people are pretty racist. also, Tulsa is really segregated.
- fucking awful beer laws (you'd think they'd want to support small businesses...?)
- really high sales tax (weird) yet terrible roads/infrastructure
- strangers think it's okay to ask where you go to church... like, they assume you do, doesn't everyone?!
- pretty bike-unfriendly, if you are trying to get somewhere and not just riding recreationally along the river
- extreme lack of public forest lands for hiking within a reasonable distance... but then I moved here from central PA and therefore was really spoiled
- moderate to high crime levels, depending where you're at. I moved here from a college town where as a woman I felt safe running by myself in the dark (SUPER helpful for fitting running into a busy schedule)... not the case here. there are also A TON of homeless people around downtown Tulsa/where I live, not that they are necessarily dangerous but ya never know.

EDIT:
- public transit here is so bad that I forgot it existed until I read other people's posts. mayor is trying to cut funding for it even further. so that's definitely a con
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »
Meh, Melbourne, Shemelbourne.
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Yes, Sydney has a huge pro and a huge con - the harbour. It is very nice to look at, it means there are lots of nice places to live because of the hills overlooking the harbour. The con? The harbour destroys the connectivity of Sydney, and the hills are steep. My major peeve with Sydney is the humidity! No way I would ever live there.

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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2014, 07:37:32 PM »
Baltimore, MD

Pluses:

-VERY affordable
-great housing stock with lots of great architecture
-beautiful home gardens
-friendly down to Earth population
-great food
-proximity to DC, Eastern shore, Philly, and NYC
-great housing investment opportunities
-currently being redeveloped
-several really nice hidden gem neighborhoods

Minuses:
-everyone thinks because you live in Baltimore you must live in a scene from The Wire
-job market could be better
-poverty is very bad in some areas

I too live in Charm City...well, one of the burbs.

What I love:

Movie theaters that show foreign films
Art and culture like Center Stage and the variety of good museums
Big enough for lots to do, but not so large that it overwhelms
Reasonable housing prices and a variety of neighborhoods with personality
My husband and I have always found work, seems like Maryland fares well even in down economy times
The Baltimore County Public Library and Enoch Pratt Free Library
The Book Thing
Robert E. Lee Park
Blue crabs and Yuengling
That here we can get to the mountains or the ocean easily
We are close enough to the Chesapeake Bay that my husband has been able to learn to sail...and is a sailing instructor in his free time, which pays for his boat time
Active craft and art community...multiple quilt guilds, if you are into that, which I am
Taking the bus or train to NYC
Long gardening season and four distinct seasons
Awesome medical care...we live in one of the best places to get sick...you can't throw a rock without hitting a great doctor or hospital.


Some of the drawbacks:
Drugs, crime, and poverty are real problem in Baltimore City
Traffic on 695
The humidity in the summer
We have a little bit of defensiveness about being a second or third tier city.

I grew up in a teeny town in SC, so for me, anything bigger than Baltimore would be overwhelming. I got here by accident and have been happy to settle in.


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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2014, 05:08:31 AM »
30 miles west of Milwaukee,WI (known as the Lake Country area)

Pros: Alot of lakes and parks, very pretty and summers are nice. Northern Wisconsin is extremely beautiful more so than here. Anyhow, alot of things to do if you enjoy season activities which we use to. People are nice. Great place to raise a family when your younger.


Cons: Still to close to Milwaukee which Sucks (other than the lakefront).  Taxes, Taxes and taxes. Winters are brutal and seemingly becoming worse and spring whats that lately? Where I live Real Estate is ridiculously expensive and the market is bad.

Cant wait till I can get out of here! but I wouldn't have a problem if money wasn't an issue keeping a place for summers up where we have our vacation home (thats for sale) in Northern Wisconsin to come back to and travel from there across country.  But that would be to long from now to make sense.

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2014, 05:14:36 AM »
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Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
Because:  Hawaii!

It's easier to list the reasons that people don't like it here. 

http://the-military-guide.com/2011/10/13/lifestyles-in-military-retirement-living-in-hawaii/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/08/27/good-reasons-not-to-live-in-hawaii/

Fully agree - thanks Nords!

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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2014, 05:45:39 AM »
I love, love, love New Jersey.  I really do.  We have the best public school system in the country.  My parents and sister/bil/niece/nephew all live within 15 miles.  We're close enough to NY to be able to head in for a show or to see a museum, or just to bum around Central Park (and we do, often), and yet we're close to the beach and the mountains.  We do a fair amount of hiking in the woods.  Cost of living is very high, but so are salaries. So if you're frugal and save 50% of your salary, it adds up to quite a bit of money.  There are tons of large universities within driving distance, so I can indulge my adjunct interest.  What else?  It's extremely diverse.  My kids go to school with people from all over the world.  I just taught a university class, and had students from Poland, Israel, Puerto Rico, China, Korea, Greece and Pakistan in my class of 21 kids. 

There really aren't a ton of negatives.  I wish the weather was a little warmer.  Driving in NJ sucks, but my commute is only 5 miles (and I am working up the nerve to start biking to work).  But then again, within 5 miles of my leafy, suburban neighborhood, there are dozens of large, global companies where you can make a good salary and work in a pretty exciting job.

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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2014, 07:33:32 AM »
Slapout, AL

Pros:
- Small town living with friendly people everywhere you go
- Sits beside a very nice, uncrowded lake
- Everything is very cheap (housing, taxes, repairs, etc)

Cons:
- Roaming dogs everywhere makes biking unsafe or at least very annoying
- long commute to work
- Choice of only 3 restaurants so you had better be in the mood for either a Subway sandwich, pizza or Mexican food!

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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2014, 09:29:16 AM »
Red Deer, AB, Canada:

Pros:
Lots of parks, green space, biking trails
Small enough to get anywhere (by car) in 15 mins
Big enough to not need to go elsewhere for much.
Low unemployment
Good schools, including non-private Catholic schools, which is apparently uncommon elsewhere?
Central area fairly close to lots of lakes, the mountains, and two major cities with proper airports
Reasonable housing prices; not low, but not outrageous.
Most liquor stores per capita than anywhere else in the country!
Good community college, for trades and nursing especially. Also has deals with a University that allows it to offer some full 4-yr degrees.
No provincial sales tax, and a 2% credit on the federal sales tax.

Cons:
Relative lack of culture.
Excess of "Rig Pigs" - serves as a base for many oil/gas companies, so young guys with no education, too much money and too many drugs are to be found in abundance.
Most job opportunities are in the trades. Not much for upper level professionals here.
The (admittedly poorly researched and excessively expensive) bike lanes put in here were overwhelmingly condemned by the public.
Long, cold, snowy winters.


Most of my reasons for staying here for now, and loving it so much are pretty individual. Most of my family lives here. I rent a nice and cheap 1/2 duplex in a great neighbourhood, half a block away from two parks and within a 5 min bike ride of the majority of my friends.

My brother recently moved to eastern British Columbia (aka in the mountains) and I suspect my hubby and I will join him within the next couple years.. and I wouldn't be the least surprised if my sister and her family and my parents eventually did also, so I guess that tells you something. Brother lives in Cranbrook, BC, which basically has all of my pros list magnified (except much higher sales tax, but waaaaaay lower housing costs) and deals with most of my cons list, except that jobs are harder to come by. 

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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2014, 10:32:16 AM »
Singapore, Singapore

Pros:
1. Relatively high salaries and extremely low tax rates, leading to the potential to save
2. Very safe. Anyone can walk anywhere at anytime of day without worrying about violent or nonviolent crime.
3. The best airport in the world, and it's only a short flight away from many amazing beaches and inexpensive cultural trips that can be quite inexpensive.
4. Compared to many other places to live in Asia, pollution is less of a problem. (but the sky is no where near as clear as most places in the US)
5. Public transportation isn't bad, although the recent explosion in the population means that Singapore has fallen far behind in meeting the new demand (read: Very crowded, and it often takes a long time to get places without a car or taxi . Public transportation is cheap
6. Good variety of food, as to be expected in a large city with lots of expats.


Cons:
1. The extremely high cost of living. Rents are very high - I live in a very old, very grim small 2 bedroom apartment in a depressing area, and the rent is around $2,000 USD a month. Living in a more decent 2-3 bedroom apartment within walking distance or only a short trip by train or bus from downtown will cost at least USD $3,500/month (for around 80 square meters). The same apartment would sell for at least $1,000,000.
2. To buy a car, you must buy a "Certificate of Entitlement" which entitles you to use the car for 10 years. All-in, including taxes and the COE, the simplest new car will cost at least $80,000. Needless to say, a lot of people buy BMWs and other expensive cars at $150,000+.
3. Food costs for good-quality food are very expensive. Everything is imported, often from far, far away.
4. The weather. I grew up in the midwest. I like seasons. I didn't realize until I moved here that summer is my least favorite season. It has NEVER fallen below 70 degrees, ever (fahrenheit). Most days have a low around 77-80, and a high of 89-93. The dew point is usually in the upper 70s. I sweat, all of the time. When inside, either the air conditioning is too strong or doesn't work well enough. I'm never comfortable.
5. No outdoor life. There's a few random mostly uninteresting parks, but most people just go to the mall on the weekend. (Hong Kong is much better for this - beaches and mountains for hiking all accessible by public transportation)
6. Even if I lived relatively close to work, I wouldn't bike. See my comment about the weather. Also, there is little bike infrastructure and I would be scared for my life with the way people drive.
7. Most jobs offer very few benefits for non-Singaporean citizens. No retirement plans and terrible insurance. Medical insurance offered through many companies has almost no outpatient coverage and a max annual payout of around $50,000. Which means, ask a lot of questions before you move here, especially if you have a pre-existing condition!
8. Consumerism to the extreme.

Overall, like most big international cites, Singapore is an expensive place to live. I think it's generally lacking the amenities that you normally get for paying the price to live in a big international city, but there's definitely far worse places to live.
Do I intend to stay here forever? No. But we have good salaries, and with the low taxes it's still possible to save quite a bit.

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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2014, 11:27:38 AM »
Seattle, Washington (Columbia City Neighborhood)

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_City,_Seattle

Pros:

1) Fabulous Walkability. Walkscore 98-100 if you are in between the light rail stop and the shopping area and still great if you are outside that spot.
2) Light Rail to downtown takes 16 minutes to get downtown where most of the job opportunities are. Much less stressful than driving imo, and you can read/nap/whatever on the way
3) Fabulously amazingly beautiful place to live. Lake Washington and the cascades to the east, Mount Rainier to the South, Cheasty Green Space on the hills to the west.
4) Diversity Diversity Diversity. One of if not the most diverse zip code in the US, with a plethora of various cultures all mixed together. Mexican, Chinese, Vietnamese, Somali, Russian, various African, traditional European, etc all intermingled. Only place I've lived that people of all colors and origins get off the bus together - it is usually more segregated elsewhere.
5) Housing prices can be a lot better than other parts of Seattle, especially North Seattle. Houses will typically run $300k to $400k whereas a friend had to drop $800k for a fixer upper in Wallingford (north Seattle neighborhood).
6) Farmer's market every Wednesday that stretches for several blocks. great food/starts/atmosphere as a good chunk of the town shows up and we always end up meeting people we know and socializing in addition to stocking up on fresh/healthy food.
7) Up and coming neighborhood, with a gigantic PCC (local organic grocery store) due to open in the next year.
8) Like all of Seattle - lots of Amazon perks due to living in their main city including access to Amazon Fresh and same day delivery (if you order by 1 PM)
9) Healthy living, healthy food, appreciation for the environment are all values that many Seattleites share.
10) People tend to be more fit here than many other places in the US. I spent a bit of time in Oklahoma and it was a real shock to go from a prime "Biggest Loser" recruiting town to a place where almost everyone seems to be pretty healthy. It is also a great motivator to stay in shape yourself and the life and environment is very conducive to doing so.
11) Mild (albeit gray) winters, Spring and Fall are nice and Summer is something that must be experienced to be believed. I've lived all over the country and spent time in much of Europe and /nowhere/ has summers that compare. Avg temperature in the winter is like 44 with an occasional dip into the 20s and summer tends to be 75-85 degrees with low humidity (the warmer it gets the lower the humidity is) and very long days. Growing season is insanely long.. 250 days I think?
12) Awesome and fast access to nature and outdoor activities. Lakes/Rivers/Cascades all nearby. Bike paths and lanes are fairly solid and constantly being improved. Clean air. tons of trees/plants/etc.
13) If you are a techie or a gamer, this is an especially awesome city. Tons of game stores and game companies and something like 400k tech workers in Seattle. PAX Prime is here for a reason.
14) Very Urban Farming friendly city. You can have chickens. There are over 90 p-patches (community gardens) so you can garden with your neighbors in addition to whatever you do on your own land. The p-patch program is GREAT for getting to know your neighbors and we know a dozen households fairly well that we wouldn't otherwise. Even if you don't want to raise chickens yourself, lots of people have extra eggs they will sell.
15) Fairly educated populace. One of the most literate in the nation: http://mynorthwest.com/11/618136/Seattle-ranked-second-most-literate-city-in-US . Very progressive (which some might rank as a Con I guess :P )
16) No income tax

Cons:
1) Housing is pretty expensive compared to many other places in the country.
2) Diversity in this particular neighborhood results in schools that don't have the resources of schools in north Seattle.
3) A lot of overcast days in the winter. Taking a sun break and going to Hawaii or San Diego or even just Eastern Washington in January/February is very common.
4) Fairly high sales tax, although I've found that this doesn't impact me personally too much since groceries aren't taxed.
5) Traffic can be a bit of a bear, although South Seattle has it A TON better than North Seattle. I can go 60MPH at rush hour on I-5 south of the city while north of the city will be crawling. It took me 3 hours once to get from Lynnwood (~15 miles north of downtown) to downtown Seattle on a Friday afternoon - a time period that should be a reverse commute. Heading into downtown from any direction will frequently be congested and slow though.
6) People take a bit to open up. People tend to be very polite but will be slow to build friendships compared to other places I've been. Also referred to as the Seattle Freeze. It is NOT insurmountable, but be careful not to get discouraged when first moving here as it can take some time. Participating in neighborhood programs like the p-patch and other things can help significantly.

Overall - I love Seattle and would highly recommend it especially if you are still in the accumulation phase. My fiancee and I are both constantly amazed at how much happier we are since moving here and consider it one of the best decisions we've ever made. Once we have enough to retire, we will almost certainly stay in Western Washington but might consider Kent, Port Angeles, or some other location with a lower housing cost. The Columbia City neighborhood is a gem that not many are aware of but almost everyone who lives here will gush about how awesome it is.

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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2014, 12:11:36 PM »
Hilo, East Hawaii, USA

Pros:

-- Nice weather all year round 70-85 F.  Very lush and green. Can grow anything.
-- Beaches nearby. Mostly lava rocks, but water is pleasant temperature.
-- Mix of sun, clouds, and rain.
-- Very little traffic. No freeways.
-- Great farmers markets for local produce.
-- Reasonably stress free living.

Cons:

-- Groceries can be expensive.
-- Housing is more expensive than most of US but not as much as California.
-- Can get extremely humid at times.
-- Somewhat rural, so limited availability of cultural events such as classical music, opera etc.
-- Lack of good restaurants (can be a pro depending on POV)

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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2014, 12:30:53 PM »
Richmond Virginia, been here 41 years

Pros:

1. A very reasonable COL, especially compared to the nearby NE Corridor
2. Milder weather and all four seasons, though I would prefer a South Carolina winter compared to what we usually get
3. Our very dull and conservative city became cool in the last ten years. Not sure what happened, but it changed
4. Traffic is very light compared to most larger cities
5. Being a Goldilocks city (Not too small, and not too large, metro population is about one million)
6. Being the state capital insulates us from economic shocks
7. I love working downtown
8. Several free disc golf courses
9. And plenty of reasonably priced ball golf
10. All my family and friends are here, and that's the best reason to be here
11. Lots of quality microbreweries have sprung up in the past five years
12. Shaka Smart and the VCU Rams. It's one of the best college basketball venues in the game. That's from John Feinstein, not a homer like me

Cons:

1. High humidity in the summer makes being outside miserable when it gets above 80 degrees
2. The occasional winter that lasts longer than it should
3. Mosquitos
4. Suburban sprawl is staring to get ridiculous
5. Not a great city to bike in
6. Dysfunctional city government (the adjacent counties are in much better shape, I'm just outside the Richmond city line in Chesterfield)
7. Terrible city schools (again, much better in the adjacent counties)

On a scale of 1-10 I'd give our city an 8 overall

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2014, 03:59:24 AM »
Glasgow, Scotland.

Pros:
1. The people. Glaswegians are funny, intelligent, sarcastic, argumentative, generous and will chat to anyone, anywhere.  Scots are very egalitarian and open to immigration, politically - similar to the Netherlands, which differs to our more conservative, insular neighbours in southern England (not meaning to be offensive in any way but having worked in England for a few years I did find most people more right wing, politically).
2. Glasgow is known as "the dear green place" and has numerous parks scattered throughout the city so you are never far away from a lovely, well kept park with amenities such as bowling, golf, tennis, art galleries & fishing lakes.
3. Great cultural scene, with free art galleries, festivals, concerts held regularly throughout the year.
4. Lots of great little cafes, bars and restaurants which need not be expensive.
5. It's a very walkable city, compact enough to get around quite easily.
6. Excellent, low cost transport throughout the city and to other cities throughout the UK
7. Close to Loch Lomond, the start of the Highlands and fantastic hiking & scenery, as well as to the airport.
8. Overall pretty good schools and three excellent universities in the city centre.  Scots value education.
9. The NHS.  Yes, we pay higher taxes but it's a good system.  Plus, our devolved government got Scotland free prescriptions so we don't pay for ANY medicines.

Cons:
1. High levels of poverty in several areas on the outskirts of the city, with high unemployment, drug abuse/alcolism/obesity and crime.  You don't really see it in the city centre but venture in to the outskirts it's there.
2. The weather.  It rains. A lot.  And is grey and cold for 8 months of the year :(
3. Traffic is a nightmare in the city centre and can be confusing for tourists as we have a one way grid system.
4. Relatively high COL with relatively medium wages.
5. Consumerism is rampant - Glasgow has the most retail outlets outwith London and many consumers are label/status conscious.

I love living here, but plan to retire to a sunnier climate as I hate the weather.
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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2014, 05:28:06 AM »
Columbus, OH

The good:
Everything is remarkably cheap
So much of the city is college kids and insurance yuppies that the atmosphere is always young, hip, and down for anything
Good social institutions like parks, libraries, and museums (except the art museum sucks)
We get all the seasons and there's good nature of almost every type very nearby (the nearest dairy queen has an enormous ravine park literally across the street)
Ohio's got a microcosm of the nation - every kind of economic activity and every kind of person

The bad:
Columbus is a flavorless city that people go through, not to (Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Cleveland all have it beat for that)
No history and no social identity of one neighborhood vs. another
Awful public transportation within the city, no public transportation to other cities
The artsy-est neighborhood is really just an oversized boutique cocktail bar dripping in anticonsumerist consumerism - where are the independent coffeeshop and laid-back bookstore?
Worsening divide between rich and poor neighborhoods
Not quite at the tipping point of density being really convenient and worth the price

There's lots I like about Columbus but little I love about it.

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2014, 05:56:18 AM »
Moncton, New Brunswick

Pros:

  • There are trees here
  • Walking distance to a park and other amenities
  • People will stop to help you
  • No traffic jams
  • relatively safe
  • houses aren't as expensive as other areas (quality isn't that great either, though)

Cons:

  • Weather : High highs, low lows (no in between, or at least very little)
  • Insects: LOTS of mosquitos, they eat you alive!! Ticks infested with lime disease
  • Poorly kept up roads, very few biking routes
  • Bilingual Province: few jobs for people who don't speak french, some even treat you like you're illiterate if you don't speak french
  • Low paying jobs & lack of jobs
  • One of the highest taxed provinces
  • Ignorant people. I stopped counting the number of times that I've gotten the "you speak English very well!" or "you speak very good English!" comment or stopping at a green light to let someone turn left while there's oncoming traffic in the other lane, the list goes on.
  • Very little cultural diversity
  • Food is expensive
  • Nosey Neighbors
  • French vs English, all the fucking time... grow up!
  • lack of arts and culture
  • Radio personalities suck
  • Expensive to travel to and from (cheaper to fly to a vacation spot!)
  • High shipping costs (I got charged an extra $100 for shipping)
  • lack of family doctors (people are waiting 5+ years)
  • waiting to see your family doctor (usually a couple of weeks before you can get an appt)
  • doctors and specialist receptionists only answer the phone 2-3 hours out of the day
  • some doctors only work 2-3 days of the week

Jeez, I never really thought about it. Now that I've made the list it's starting to look pretty grim. Anyone got more positives I can add to the list?
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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2014, 12:48:49 PM »
Jeez, I never really thought about it. Now that I've made the list it's starting to look pretty grim. Anyone got more positives I can add to the list?

Just one. I don't live there!

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2014, 01:51:51 PM »
Red Deer, AB, Canada:

Pros:
Lots of parks, green space, biking trails
Small enough to get anywhere (by car) in 15 mins
Big enough to not need to go elsewhere for much.
Low unemployment
Good schools, including non-private Catholic schools, which is apparently uncommon elsewhere?
Central area fairly close to lots of lakes, the mountains, and two major cities with proper airports
Reasonable housing prices; not low, but not outrageous.
Most liquor stores per capita than anywhere else in the country!
Good community college, for trades and nursing especially. Also has deals with a University that allows it to offer some full 4-yr degrees.
No provincial sales tax, and a 2% credit on the federal sales tax.

Cons:
Relative lack of culture.
Excess of "Rig Pigs" - serves as a base for many oil/gas companies, so young guys with no education, too much money and too many drugs are to be found in abundance.
Most job opportunities are in the trades. Not much for upper level professionals here.
The (admittedly poorly researched and excessively expensive) bike lanes put in here were overwhelmingly condemned by the public.
Long, cold, snowy winters.


Most of my reasons for staying here for now, and loving it so much are pretty individual. Most of my family lives here. I rent a nice and cheap 1/2 duplex in a great neighbourhood, half a block away from two parks and within a 5 min bike ride of the majority of my friends.

My brother recently moved to eastern British Columbia (aka in the mountains) and I suspect my hubby and I will join him within the next couple years.. and I wouldn't be the least surprised if my sister and her family and my parents eventually did also, so I guess that tells you something. Brother lives in Cranbrook, BC, which basically has all of my pros list magnified (except much higher sales tax, but waaaaaay lower housing costs) and deals with most of my cons list, except that jobs are harder to come by.

Very (somewhat?)surprised to see a post on Red Deer. I wouldn't assume that there a ton of mustachians here. Working off your post:
-Love the parks and river valley trail system. Relatively underutilized.
-Love the scale (MMM has talked about the sweet spot of 50,000-200,000 population)
-Low unemployment is a definite feature
-Housing much more reasonable than Calgary or Edmonton but incomes in certain sectors (mine) likely to be similar
-Like the school system
-Live within walking distance of job, get to enjoy brisk winter walking conditions

-My Wife works with culture services and I have therefore been tapped into a lot of the "City approved" and promoted culture; wouldn't know much about other stuff
-Rig Pigs in abundance, ample examples for antimustachian wall of shame and comedy. (I work in family law and see a lot of budgets and effective "balance sheets"; Typical: $150,000 wage, negative net worth, payments on house, 2 large trucks, Harley, boat, Trailer, Tv, vacuum, etc. etc.)
-Work in law but job opportunities for my wife seem somewhat limited

My inlaws also live in the Kootenays (Kaslo) but (somewhat sadly) we're unlikely to move there unless we hit early retirement

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Re: Why you love (or not) the area where you live?
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2014, 02:40:13 PM »
Just one. I don't live there!

LOL. Lucky you!