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New to the forums, my current money situation
« on: November 17, 2015, 08:33:08 AM »
Hey everyone, I am new to this forum, but I would like to share my current situation so far.  I just started with my first full time job 10 months ago and have been able to save 60-70% of my paycheck each week.  I am 20 and live at home so I only pay 250 for a car payment, gas and insurance which is 120 a month, the rest I put into my savings.  I currently put 6% into my 401k with a 5% match from my company.  I currently have about 17k in savings, saved 11k in 10 months.  In the next 5 years I am planning on marrying my girlfriend and hopefully buying a house together.  I really want to retire early, maybe by 40-45.  Any suggestions or ideas and how I can make my dream of retiring early come true given my current situation?  Thanks in advance!

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 09:33:20 AM »
Great work saving so much so early!

The only obvious optimization from the info given is to rid yourself of that car payment. Buying quality used cars with cash is almost always a better financial decision than financing. Increasing or maxing your 401k contribution would also be prudent however, it's hard to say without knowing your income.

See the "How to write a case study" post at the top of the forum. Consider reposting using that format and level of detail for more complete advice.


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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 09:36:37 AM »
Hey everyone, I am new to this forum, but I would like to share my current situation so far.  I just started with my first full time job 10 months ago and have been able to save 60-70% of my paycheck each week.  I am 20 and live at home so I only pay 250 for a car payment, gas and insurance which is 120 a month, the rest I put into my savings.  I currently put 6% into my 401k with a 5% match from my compan.  I currently have about 17k in savings, saved 11k in 10 months.  In the next 5 years I am planning on marrying my girlfriend and hopefully buying a house together.  I really want to retire early, maybe by 40-45.  Any suggestions or ideas and how I can make my dream of retiring early come true given my current situation?  Thanks in advance!
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Welcome. 

It sounds like you are doing very well for a 20 year old.  The future for you is likely to be very different than your present situation (I imagine at some point you will find your own place, maybe marry, maybe have kids, etc), so it's difficult to give general advice.  I guess the best thing I can say is to avoid lifestyle creep and continue saving as much as you can.  It's certainly possible that you could be FI before 30, which would be admirable even on this forum.
How much of your car expenses is for fuel, how much for insurance and how much for a car payment?

Post a case-study if you want to see where you could optimize. 
Ask much more specific questions if you want specific answers.
In the meantime, definitely fund an IRA ($5500) and increase your 401(k) contributions once you are satistfied that you have enough of a buffer.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 10:02:59 AM »
What Gondolin said re: case study and ridding your car payment.

If you don't mind disclosing some numbers, your salary, your debt, your location, etc in more detail, we can understand more about your situation.

Here's my advice coming from a guy in his 30s.

From a young age, I was always a good saver. Never a good investor. I didn't open my first IRA/401K until I was 25, and even then I only contributed to the company match. In hindsight, I wish I got the match and at least maxed our a personal traditional or Roth IRA ($5,500/year). I seriously cannot recommend that enough. Time is money and losing even 7 years on compound interest is the difference between literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run. Bottom line: If you can, max both your 401K and personal IRA.

Sounds like you're on track, but yes, buy a house. This is a debated subject, but for me, it has single handedly been the largest builder of wealth in my adult life. Granted, I bought at a good time and in a high-demand market, so of course it's situational, but for me, it was very important. The first house I purchased became a rental property, which I plan on keeping forever as an asset and passive income source. It's not for everyone, but consider the benefits of landlording. Also, never buy a house whose total mortgage payment and utility costs is more than 25% of your gross income. This has been paramount for me. So many of my friends and relatives are truly experiencing what it means to be "house poor" and spend 40-50% of their income just to pay the mortgage and house bills. It's detrimental to wealth building and a difficult hole to climb out of.

Marry that girlfriend. Marrying my wife is the best decision I've ever made. I'm assuming she's on board with the MMM lifestyle. If she is, bonus points.

But most of all, keep doing what you're already doing. 60%-70% of your paycheck saved is incredible for a person your age. Continue that habit for the rest of your working life and you'll be retired well before you're 45. Invest in index funds through Vanguard, ride your bike to work, bring lunch to work every day, resist to urge to buy a new or luxury car, never buy a house with a mortgage over 25% of your gross income, learn to cook, embrace reading, find like minded people, buy "experiences" over things, be happy. That's the best advice I can give. You're already on your way young Jedi. It's clear the MMM force is exceptionally strong with you. Keep at it.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 10:10:43 AM »
Here is a better view of my situation:

Life Situation: 20, living at home, girlfriend of almost 5 years about to move in, living in Connecticut
Gross Salary: 38k with 3% increase every 4 months for the next 5 years, girlfriend works part time will going to college full time, she makes about 15k tips included
Pre-Tax deductions: 15 dollars for medical and dental, 6% for 401k

Current expenses: car payment $200, gas $100-150, insurance $120
Assets: About 3k in my 401k, 17k in savings, only a few hundred in stocks
Liabilities: No debt other than car payment

Am I on the right track or what I should I do to stay on the right track when I plan on getting a house, married, kids

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 10:17:35 AM »
Here is a better view of my situation:

Life Situation: 20, living at home, girlfriend of almost 5 years about to move in, living in Connecticut
Gross Salary: 38k with 3% increase every 4 months for the next 5 years, girlfriend works part time will going to college full time, she makes about 15k tips included
Pre-Tax deductions: 15 dollars for medical and dental, 6% for 401k

Current expenses: car payment $200, gas $100-150, insurance $120
Assets: About 3k in my 401k, 17k in savings, only a few hundred in stocks
Liabilities: No debt other than car payment

Am I on the right track or what I should I do to stay on the right track when I plan on getting a house, married, kids

I'd say all the comments from above apply. Obviously your biggest expense right now is your car. At the lowest, that's $420/mo just to drive your car, which is over $5,000 a year. That's $5,000 that could be contributed to a tax-advantaged traditional or Roth IRA account.

Is public transportation or biking not a possibility for you? If not, consider ditching that car and buying a used car. MMM had a great article about the smartest cars you can buy. Check it out: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/03/19/top-10-cars-for-smart-people/


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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 10:23:06 AM »
I switched to this truck because where I live winters are really bad and to get to work I cross a bridge that can be very dangerous during winter if you do not have 4 wheel drive.  A truck was the best option given the 4 wheel drive and it helps with side jobs I do with carrying firewood and supplies.  It is an 8 mile/15 min ride through busy streets so biking isn't an option as of right now.  When I get a place of my own I would like it to be closer to work.  I am planning on paying more money towards the car using my bonuses and tax returns as I have about 10k left on the truck, after I drive this truck into the ground I am going to stick to cheaper used cars.

Also if I was to start an IRA should I contribute the max now while I am living at home and lower it once I move out, and is a Traditional or Roth IRA better, I do not know a lot about investing.
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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 10:39:30 AM »
Are you paying your parents any rent? Food costs? Utilities?  Those costs are not showing in your budget. If your GF moves in, will she  be paying any of those? 

If the answers are no, then your saving rate is not viable long-term.  Really, you are saving at the cost of your parents subsidizing your living situation.   How willing they are to do this is irrelevant, you are not seeing all your costs.

Really, you should be paying for your living costs. If your parents refuse to take money from you, you should have your savings in 2 categories - real savings, and living costs that are deferred for now.

This is a financial forum, technically, but a lifestyle question - why would your girlfriend move into your parents' house? Unless it is a block away from the school she will be going to, wouldn't she be better to live on campus or near campus, or live at home?For some reason I thought she was going to be going to school, but rereading your posts I can't find that.  Anyway, why does your girlfriend want to move into your parents' house?

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 10:41:31 AM »
What is the year/make/model of the truck? Miles?

10k, IMO is a fair amount to spend on a used vehicle to have longevity and reliability. You get too cheap and expenses add up.

Now, if it's a $25k truck and you only owe $10k, I'd suggest selling for something in the 10k range.

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 10:44:21 AM »
I switched to this truck because where I live winters are really bad and to get to work I cross a bridge that can be very dangerous during winter if you do not have 4 wheel drive.  A truck was the best option given the 4 wheel drive and it helps with side jobs I do with carrying firewood and supplies.  It is an 8 mile/15 min ride through busy streets so biking isn't an option as of right now.  When I get a place of my own I would like it to be closer to work.  I am planning on paying more money towards the car using my bonuses and tax returns as I have about 10k left on the truck, after I drive this truck into the ground I am going to stick to cheaper used cars.

...just have to throw this out there...
You know about dedicated snow tires, right? 4WD with all-season/M+S tires are vastly inferior to a 2WD vehicle with snow tires. 
I live in snowy, snowy Québec and snow tires are required.  Plenty of people drive cars like the Matrix or Yaris, even on unpaved roads with just packed snow.

MMM's post on this: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/12/01/all-wheel-drive-does-not-make-you-safer/
Plenty of videos out there, here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGfvyPtYR0Y

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 10:51:46 AM »
+1 on snow tires.

I grew up in northern NH and drove emergency vehicles in terrible weather for almost 5 years...tires are the most important vehicle factor when it comes to winter driving.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 10:51:58 AM »
Are you paying your parents any rent? Food costs? Utilities?  Those costs are not showing in your budget. If your GF moves in, will she  be paying any of those? 

If the answers are no, then your saving rate is not viable long-term.  Really, you are saving at the cost of your parents subsidizing your living situation.   How willing they are to do this is irrelevant, you are not seeing all your costs.

Really, you should be paying for your living costs. If your parents refuse to take money from you, you should have your savings in 2 categories - real savings, and living costs that are deferred for now.

This is a financial forum, technically, but a lifestyle question - why would your girlfriend move into your parents' house? Unless it is a block away from the school she will be going to, wouldn't she be better to live on campus or near campus, or live at home?For some reason I thought she was going to be going to school, but rereading your posts I can't find that.  Anyway, why does your girlfriend want to move into your parents' house?
I am actually living with my grandparents and the house is basically split in two, I currently have a living room, bedroom, bathroom, and office space and I do not pay for anything other than food costs once in awhile as they will not take money from me.  My girlfriend is going to be moving in with me since there is plenty of room and it is close to the college that she will be attending.  We are trying to save as much as we can so staying at home is the best option for right now.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 10:53:13 AM »
What is the year/make/model of the truck? Miles?

10k, IMO is a fair amount to spend on a used vehicle to have longevity and reliability. You get too cheap and expenses add up.

Now, if it's a $25k truck and you only owe $10k, I'd suggest selling for something in the 10k range.

2006 Dodge Ram 1500, it was fully loaded for 13k and I have paid off about 3k so far, I am doing side jobs and putting whatever extra money I can towards the principle to try and pay the truck off as soon as I can.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 11:01:28 AM »
What is the year/make/model of the truck? Miles?

10k, IMO is a fair amount to spend on a used vehicle to have longevity and reliability. You get too cheap and expenses add up.

Now, if it's a $25k truck and you only owe $10k, I'd suggest selling for something in the 10k range.

2006 Dodge Ram 1500, it was fully loaded for 13k and I have paid off about 3k so far, I am doing side jobs and putting whatever extra money I can towards the principle to try and pay the truck off as soon as I can.
  You have 17K in savings and owe only 10k - what is the interest rate?
You spend a minimum of 30 minutes a day burning gas in that pig.  If you are interested in optimizing savings, then a more fuel efficient vehicle is necessary.
Snow and pickups are a terrible combination, even with 4 wheel drive.
You mentioned a side business hauling firewood.  Is that income included in your $38k.  It might be that you generate enough money from firewood hauling to make a $13,000 pickup truck worth it, but I doubt it.

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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 11:06:25 AM »
  You have 17K in savings and owe only 10k - what is the interest rate?
You spend a minimum of 30 minutes a day burning gas in that pig.  If you are interested in optimizing savings, then a more fuel efficient vehicle is necessary.
Snow and pickups are a terrible combination, even with 4 wheel drive.
You mentioned a side business hauling firewood.  Is that income included in your $38k.  It might be that you generate enough money from firewood hauling to make a $13,000 pickup truck worth it, but I doubt it.
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the interest rate is 2.9%, and the income is not included in my 38k.  I do work on the side a lot but varies so I didn't add it to the 38k but if I would have to estimate within the past few months I probably received about 2k so far.

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2015, 11:11:47 AM »
  You have 17K in savings and owe only 10k - what is the interest rate?
You spend a minimum of 30 minutes a day burning gas in that pig.  If you are interested in optimizing savings, then a more fuel efficient vehicle is necessary.
Snow and pickups are a terrible combination, even with 4 wheel drive.
You mentioned a side business hauling firewood.  Is that income included in your $38k.  It might be that you generate enough money from firewood hauling to make a $13,000 pickup truck worth it, but I doubt it.

the interest rate is 2.9%, and the income is not included in my 38k.  I do work on the side a lot but varies so I didn't add it to the 38k but if I would have to estimate within the past few months I probably received about 2k so far.
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Penfed is usually doing 1.99% for 36mo on used purchases / refinances. A 0 cost refinance to cut your rate by a 3rd might be worth looking at.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2015, 12:08:40 PM »
I switched to this truck because where I live winters are really bad and to get to work I cross a bridge that can be very dangerous during winter if you do not have 4 wheel drive.  A truck was the best option given the 4 wheel drive and it helps with side jobs I do with carrying firewood and supplies.  It is an 8 mile/15 min ride through busy streets so biking isn't an option as of right now.  When I get a place of my own I would like it to be closer to work.  I am planning on paying more money towards the car using my bonuses and tax returns as I have about 10k left on the truck, after I drive this truck into the ground I am going to stick to cheaper used cars.

Also if I was to start an IRA should I contribute the max now while I am living at home and lower it once I move out, and is a Traditional or Roth IRA better, I do not know a lot about investing.

Fair warning, this being the Mr Money Mustache forums, be prepared to take some face-punching over the truck. Regardless of whether or not the truck is well and truly needed in your particular case, there's been enough people thinking they need a truck because snow and 4WD, or  occasionally go off-pavement, etc., that this community has a not-unjustified allergic reaction to trucks and the common justifications for ownership. Now, having given that fair warning, it's my turn to pile on as well.

Tires, not 4WD, are indeed the primary factor in determining how well a vehicle handles in snow & ice. In fact, I'd argue that 4WD will make the icy bridge you cite as justification even *more* dangerous. If going over the bridge, your rear tires slip because of the ice, then putting power to the front tires is going to make them liable to slip as well. With the rear tires slipping, you had no drive. With the front tires slipping as well, now you have no drive, *and* no steering -- an even more dangerous situation.

You mention firewood hauling. Unless you're regularly hauling a  full cord, I doubt the pickup is worth it. You can fit a 1/4 cord of firewood in a hatchback with the rear seats down -- I've done it. Similarly, unless you're regularly helping friends move, hauling refrigerators, scrap metal, boats, trailers, etc, you're wasting fuel -- and thus money -- underutilizing your truck's capability.

Enough about the truck. Yes, absolutely open the IRA with Vanguard, and put $5500 (the IRS annual max) of your cash savings in right away. When it comes to compound interest, time is your friend. What I wouldn't give to be in your situation knowing what I do now. I first got access to a 401(k) in my early 20s when I was making $20k/yr. I recently ran the numbers, taking the real returns of the stock market from 2000 to 2014, and had I put $20 a month starting in 2003, and then ending in 2008 when the recession hit, my money would have more than doubled today -- all because of the power of compound interest. The more money you can get into your IRA  and 401(k) sooner, the more that money will have grown when you come to draw on it when you retire. Because of that, I would further recommend putting the full $18k IRS max into your 401(k), or as close to it as you can afford. The benefits to this are threefold. First is the compound interest mentioned above. Second, it lowers your taxable income enough that your regular raises wont push you into the 20% tax bracket for a couple more years. Finally, it gets you into the habit of living on less pay now.

When it comes to investing, the best thing to do right now when you're starting out is to keep things simple. jlcollinsnh's Stock Series explains what you need to know.

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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2015, 02:10:43 PM »
Oh the truck. I used to drive in Quebec, in my car with snow tires.  I would get passed by the SUVs and trucks.  Then a few kilometers later, they would be in the ditch or the median.  More recently I have driven in Ontario in a blizzard (I am not joking, the plows could not keep up, I was on 2" of snow with terrible visibility and high winds, doing 60 kph), and although the drive took longer, I got home.  And yes, cars and trucks and semis in the median).   Snow tires rule.

For what you use the truck for, could you sell it and get an older vehicle?  Or just get a good station wagon/hatchback.  I have a Mazda 3 hatchback and it is amazing what I get in it.  And it has snow tires on now - ugly winter rims, but so what.  I am ready for the next blizzard.

Housing - OK the grandparents won't take money.  But you are not getting a realistic view of living expenses, which is actually of more concern than the very face-punch worthy truck. 

SO: homework time #1.  Find out what rent and utilities would be on a similar place. Put that money aside every month, before you do anything else.  I don't see a kitchen listed in your description, so I am assuming you are either eating out (which will get you more face punches on the forum), eating with your GF, or eating with your grandparents. Keep track of what you eat (and what your girlfriend eats) and figure out how much that would be at the grocery store, and put that money aside.  Will your grandparents take money from your girlfriend when she moves in?  If yes, good.  If not, figure out her living costs as well and put that money aside. 

Now your budget reads:
Monthly Net Income = ?
Expenses = rent + utilities + food + present expenses
Left over = Income - expenses. 

Money management - your income goes to casual expenses + savings realized from free living + true savings.  Invest those last 2, conservatively.  You will need that money in 5 years for the down payment.

Homework # 2:  Don't worry about values 5 years from now, prices will probably be up but so will income.

Find a house that is similar to what you would buy in 5 years.  Down payment = at least 20% of price.  Then calculate mortgage and taxes.  Then utilities - they will be higher, a house is always more expensive than an apartment or duplex, because it has 4 exterior walls.  One time cost of appliances.  How much more is this than your present calculated expenses?  How well will you be able to save for that 20% down payment?  Can you easily carry that load?  Her salary won't be great to start, if she has just finished school.

And again personal comments: Comment 1 -  the model expenses is what I did with DD when she was moving out.  It works.

Comment 2 - this is potentially a lot of stress on your relationship with GF, when you are at ages that people grow and change a lot. If your GF were my DD, unless living with her BF was the only way she could go to school, I would advise against it.  For one obvious thing, you will come home from work and be ready to relax and socialise.  She will come home from school and have school work to do, and exams to study for.  As a retired teacher, I have seen so many students do poorly because their social life (especially boyfriends, and to a lesser extent girlfriends) took their time and energy away from where it belonged - school.  Think of school as a 70-80 hour a week job. Days, evenings and weekends.  Can you live with that for however long it takes her to finish? 
Again, the advice I would give to my DD and 2ndhand to your GF - living with a BF during school is a worst choice situation, if anything else is available.  If anything goes sour in the relationship, she has more problems, not only is she dealing with the breakup, she is also dealing with finding a new place to live. I have seen this where a couple was living together and renting, broke up, and they had to deal with the lease - living at your place it would be that much worse for her.

Sorry to be such a downer, but your posts are so optimistic, and shit happens.

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Re: New to the forums, my current money situation
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 12:01:24 AM »
good job on starting early! I wished I had started earlier!

Totally agree with the previous poster of putting more in your 401k, Ira, and also investing.

Good luck, you are on a good track!