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Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« on: March 06, 2014, 09:42:06 PM »
My husband mentioned today that he and the other officers of his company are floating the idea of getting rid of their suburban DC office space, letting employees work from home, and communing monthly at their Baltimore office, if needed. This got me daydreaming about where we might live instead. We have family in Philly. My husband travels to New York almost weekly on Amtrak. He also flies several times a month. We would love someplace family-friendly with relatively affordable single family homes/cost of living, lots of green space, and easy access to transportation hubs. Anybody have a wonderful town to recommend?

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2014, 05:19:56 AM »
This question has been floated before in these forums in various forms, and several locals including myself rave about Richmond. Much lower COL, traffic problems are very few, housing is ridiculously cheap compared to NOVA, lots to do, and outdoor friendly. There are about a million souls in the greater Richmond area, so we enjoy much of what bigger cities offer without the cost and congestion. 

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2014, 06:30:59 AM »
I'm partial to the scenery in central/western Maryland and the Shenandoah valley in Virginia. Definitely avoid Baltimore proper. It's nice place to visit but I don't think I would ever want to live there, even if I didn't have in-laws there.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2014, 06:35:26 AM »
I really have no idea about COL, but when we visit our friends on the outskirts of Annapolis, I'm always impressed with the area.

Of course, I really like Raleigh, too.  There's great culture there, and COL isn't too bad either.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2014, 07:14:27 AM »
Annapolis is incredibly expensive and also just like unfortunately bougie.  Don't live there. 

If I had the freedom to live anywhere on the East Cost, Richmond would be pretty high on my list.  Just from visiting it seems like a pretty livable city.  However I would like to take this chance to defend Baltimore!  Baltimore is a great town with super unique things to do, everyone knows everyone else (smalltimore), there's a lot of young people working very hard to improve the city and if you're really not a city person -- property taxes are very high in the city -- there's some nice suburbs to live in, especially just north and just south of the city.  And great public schools! 

If you PM me I'll tell you exactly where I live and why I love it  :)

(I mean, that said, I'd move to like New Mexico in a heartbeat, but you're not gonna find anything like that on the East Coast!)

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2014, 09:31:54 AM »
Philly / Philly suburbs would be close to family, Philly airport/train station, parks/trails, Baltimore, and New York. It is also affordable compared to the DC area.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2014, 10:01:28 AM »
What's "bougie"?


Annapolis is incredibly expensive and also just like unfortunately bougie.  Don't live there. 

If I had the freedom to live anywhere on the East Cost, Richmond would be pretty high on my list.  Just from visiting it seems like a pretty livable city.  However I would like to take this chance to defend Baltimore!  Baltimore is a great town with super unique things to do, everyone knows everyone else (smalltimore), there's a lot of young people working very hard to improve the city and if you're really not a city person -- property taxes are very high in the city -- there's some nice suburbs to live in, especially just north and just south of the city.  And great public schools! 

If you PM me I'll tell you exactly where I live and why I love it  :)

(I mean, that said, I'd move to like New Mexico in a heartbeat, but you're not gonna find anything like that on the East Coast!)

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2014, 10:16:41 AM »
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bougie

Although I guess that's not really what I meant.  It's just a very upper-crust moneyed area.  Some of the surrounding areas aren't as moneyed, there are some decent suburbs, it's just not where I would recommend living in Maryland.  Plus it's a considerable distance from both Baltimore and DC.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2014, 10:52:34 AM »
One big advantage of Richmond and especially Raleigh is less snow if you really don't like the hassle. Seems like the snow line is always around Fredericksburg (halfway between DC and Richmond). NOVA just plain gets a lot more snow than we do.

The Shenandoah Valley is amazingly scenic and Harrisonburg is a fun college town. It's definitely a smaller town experience. Charlottesville is quite nice as well. you will deal with more snow in both of these locations as well and fewer bigger city amenities, although Charlottesville tends to land great bands because of John Paul Jones arena (capacity 16000) and is on the cusp of being more like a typical larger city.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2014, 11:07:36 AM »
Richmond is nice, but that is further away from NYC and Baltimore than you are now.

I'd also defend Baltimore, which I really like. You can also live in the city itself in some decent neighborhoods for a fair price, especially compare to DC. But with your husband's need to get to Baltimore at least once a month, NYC periodically, and access to an airport, I'd look into the corridor between Baltimore and Philadelphia and those two cities.

EDIT: I have some friends that love the area around Hunterdon Country, NJ. Might be a good choice for you since your husband is in NYC more than Baltimore at this point.
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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2014, 11:08:21 AM »
I'll hop on the Richmond bandwagon. I'm in a similar situation and I wish that I would have given it another look. The COL and housing is much lower than the DC/Baltimore area and you've got a straight shot on the Amtrak from there (or the VRE to the MARC train). We also considered Charlottesville, VA but decided it was too small.

If his company is picking up the tab for the trips to the office, then Raleigh is a great spot. There's a number of direct flights into BWI and its a really quick flight (and usually cheap on SWA). Much cheaper COL than the DC/Baltimore area and a very livable area. An advantage with Raleigh over Richmond is that you have more flight options if that's a requirement for work.

If you don't need big city amenities, then that opens up a whole lotta other potential places too.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2014, 11:18:36 AM »
I'll hop on the Richmond bandwagon. I'm in a similar situation and I wish that I would have given it another look. The COL and housing is much lower than the DC/Baltimore area and you've got a straight shot on the Amtrak from there (or the VRE to the MARC train). We also considered Charlottesville, VA but decided it was too small.


Amtrak from Richmond to BAL is a bit over three hours, six hours to NYC. At least trains run really frequently, every half hour during rush hour.

In order to use MARC or VRE, you'd have to do Amtrak to Fredricksburg, VRE to Union Station, MARC to Baltimore-Penn, which would probably cost more than just staying on Amtrak (can't check, the system is down right now). And certainly take a whole lot longer (few MARC trains run express, not sure if any VRE trains do).

I really like Richmond, but for someone that has to get to NYC frequently, and Baltimore periodically, I just think it is too far. Even if you switch to flying, you'll still spend a ton of time once you factor in security and everything.
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2014, 11:23:45 AM »
I lived in Frederick, MD for a couple years, and it was pretty nice. The town has most of what you need so you don't have to drive for miles. I lived very close to the historic district downtown (back in 2010 I was renting the lower level of a duplex, 2 very small bedroom/1 bath, for $700/month) and could bike anywhere. There's a suburban-style shopping center strip south of town that's less bikeable, but it can still be done. You get a view of the "front range" of the Appalachians, you can bike to Gambrill State Park (it's a workout, but it can be done!) and go hiking, summer temps are generally a few degrees milder than DC, and there's lots of historical exploring you can do in a city that's ~200 years old (including Civil War history). I would avoid the suburban-style cul de sacs around the city, though, like in Ballenger. Driving to Baltimore is also about as easy as you could reasonably expect, just take I-70 east for ~60 miles.

Annapolis and Severna Park are also options if you're more of a water person.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2014, 11:57:20 AM »
Aww, I never realized Richmond would have so much love!  It is certainly a very economical city, but I am disappointed with the fact that we have to drive pretty much anywhere we go.  However, if you live in Richmond proper, that may not be an issue.  We are in one of the neighboring counties. 

DH and I fantasize about moving to a nearby city after the kids are in college.  We lean mostly toward Charlottesville and Richmond.

As for the OP, I know there are lots of nice towns in south Jersey (outside of Philly), but I'm sure the COL is higher. 

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2014, 12:09:40 PM »
What's "bougie"?

Bougie is slang, an abbreviation of the word bourgeoisie.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2014, 12:10:40 PM »
If you want to stay in MD, I'd look into the Harford Co. area. Close to I-95, depending what part of the county anywhere from 30-45 minutes to Baltimore, 45-60 minutes to Philly. Lower COL than the Baltimore/Annapolis/DC part of the state. 

Another, and possibly cheaper option, would be the Wilmington, DE area.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2014, 01:30:33 PM »
Sounds like a "builder's triangle" of convenient travel options, more affordable, and close to family. You only get two. What does the OP want? Baltimore is mondo cool, I have a friend there and enjoy visiting. What it's not is inexpensive. Raleigh has better travel options than Richmond, it is farthest away from family.

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2014, 01:43:51 PM »
Here's another vote for Richmond.  I've lived here for fifteen years and for the last ten have been thinking about leaving for somewhere "better."  Now that my youngest is almost out of the nest and the option of leaving is actually upon me, I've decided to stay.

Richmond has everything you're looking for -- including a major airport and train service to get you anywhere you want to go.  Smaller cities like Charlottesville or Harrisonburg don't have this.

My brother and his wife lived in Malvern, PA until recently and I often made the drive to see them.  It's about 5 hours by car and there are some ways to skirt around DC traffic.  It's too far for a weekend trip, but easily within reach for a four-day visit or longer.

Richmond is a great place to live and far more diverse and eclectic than it's reputation.  Great music scene, restaurants, opera/ theater, two major universities, the state capital, the James River, lots of state/ county/ city parks nearby, two hours to the ocean, two hours to the mountains, two hours to DC (or 10, depending on I-95 north of DC -- take the train!). 

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2014, 05:17:58 PM »
If you want to stay in MD, I'd look into the Harford Co. area. Close to I-95, depending what part of the county anywhere from 30-45 minutes to Baltimore, 45-60 minutes to Philly. Lower COL than the Baltimore/Annapolis/DC part of the state. 

Another, and possibly cheaper option, would be the Wilmington, DE area.

+1 for Harford County, MD

Thats where my wife and I met and grew up at (Fallston and Bel Air areas). Its a beautiful area full of friendly people. Not sure of the COL there anymore as we moved away around twenty years ago. We left Harford County and moved to Ocean City, MD. Lived there for six years and now reside in Melbourne, Florida for the last sixteen. I can vow that Melbourne, FL has a low COL and the money can be good in the right fields here. No state income tax doesn't hurt either.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2014, 04:05:45 AM »
Man, now you guys are making me want to move to Richmond!  Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and insight.

After poking around yesterday, it looks like the best plan would be to try to find something relatively near Baltimore, Wilmington, DE, or Philly. All of these would give easy access to the Acela to NY (hubby often goes up first thing in the morning for a day of meetings and tries to be home by bedtime) and either PHL or BWI.  As hybrid mentioned above, it does seem like it will end up being a 'builder's triangle' situation where we could have exactly what we want but pay through the nose, or compromise with longer commutes, more crime, less walkability, etc. I guess there's a reason expensive neighborhoods are expensive, right?

Is anyone familiar with the Wilmington area?  COL seems a little lower especially from a tax standpoint in Delaware. (Although at this point, my idea of what a house costs is so skewed due to DC prices, everywhere else looks relatively affordable).  I'd be interested to know any specific neighborhoods you love in Philly or Baltimore, too.

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2014, 05:54:38 AM »
I am from the Shenandoah Valley- and can second what people have said here  about the beauty of the area.  Definitely affordable compared to NOVA, tons of wonderful people and green space- the access to airport/cities would be the only downside.

Many have mentioned Richmond, which would be an excellent choice.

I have another that has not been mentioned.  Come to Hampton Roads- particularly Norfolk.  My wife and I live in Ocean View in Norfolk.  We love the vibe of the neighborhood... Norfolk has a ton of stuff going one- we live 5 minutes from Norfolk Airport which takes about 10 minutes to park and get to your gate and had direct flights daily to most of the major cities on the East Coast (worth double checking, though, as those change frequently.)  Bay front condos can be had cheap, and neighborhoods like East Beach are literally some of the nicest we have seen.  Dowtown Norfolk offers a lot.  Close to VA beach, Outer Banks, etc.  Once potential downside could be the school situation- we do not have kids, so not really a consideration for us.  But- FYI our neighbors are in the same situation as you- she commutes once a month to DC- and they absolutely could not be happier. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2014, 06:21:48 AM »
Do you have to live on the east coast?   Could you go further south or west if you wanted to?    In my experience there really isn't anywhere that's affordable on the east coast.   Even if you find somewhere with cheaper housing there's still huge property taxes and everything seems to be more expensive.    I used to live in Hartford CT, which is considered a cheap east coast town.   I paid about 5 times in taxes, on a smaller, cheaper home than I currently do on a large home in a nice suburb of Denver.    Food was so expensive that I'd often shop at whole foods because it was about the same price as say Krogers.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2014, 02:45:51 PM »
I live in West Chester which is a suburb of Philly and I love it.  I can't say it is cheap to live in but the schools are great, the people are great.  We have mature trees, nice parks, summer concerts, good restaurants, a bike race in July - home town living.  The boro of WC is a very livable and walkable town.  It is about 45 minutes to PHL.  Baltimore is 1.5 hrs, NYC is 2.5 hrs.  Also, I grew up in Aldan, PA, which is 15 min from PHL and close to I-95.  If you aren't interested in sending kids to public school, it is good place to live.  The houses there are MUCH cheaper than in West Chester.

You are welcome to come visit and I'll take you on a tour :)

Edit:  Forgot to mention that Money Magazine has ranked West Goshen (a township in West Chester area) as one of the top 10 places to live in the US for the past few years!
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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2014, 07:27:51 AM »
Annapolis is incredibly expensive and also just like unfortunately bougie.  Don't live there. 

If I had the freedom to live anywhere on the East Cost, Richmond would be pretty high on my list.  Just from visiting it seems like a pretty livable city.  However I would like to take this chance to defend Baltimore!  Baltimore is a great town with super unique things to do, everyone knows everyone else (smalltimore), there's a lot of young people working very hard to improve the city and if you're really not a city person -- property taxes are very high in the city -- there's some nice suburbs to live in, especially just north and just south of the city.  And great public schools! 


Lived in Baltimore for about 15 of the last 20 or so years.  Much of the above is true. I'd also add mention taxes in general are high in the city (bottle tax, for example).

I would also second Frederick and Harford County. Would also mention northern Baltimore County and Carroll County in the same category.

I was also going to suggest Delaware. Could do Wilmington, my understanding is that there are lots of amenities but also a fair amount of crime, no source, just comments from friends looking to make a similar move. Dover would also be worth a look, IMO. Close enough to I-95 to hit Baltimore and NYC fairly easily (or go to Wilmington and hop a train), to the south, you'd also be a hop, skip and small jump to the DE beaches (Lewes, Rehoboth, etc.). Or depending on the flexibility of the job, look even further south in DE: Milton (home to Dogfish Head beer), Milford and the aforementioned beach towns.

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Re: Where to live Mid-Atlantic/East Coast?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2014, 08:39:32 AM »
There are many amazing suburbs of Philly, many very walkable.  Lancaster, PA is a great, vibrant, and vastly improving city as well.  Good luck!  If you want to live near the ocean, Rehoboth and surrounding areas are wonderful..

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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2014, 01:48:23 PM »
Man, now you guys are making me want to move to Richmond!  Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and insight.

After poking around yesterday, it looks like the best plan would be to try to find something relatively near Baltimore, Wilmington, DE, or Philly. All of these would give easy access to the Acela to NY (hubby often goes up first thing in the morning for a day of meetings and tries to be home by bedtime) and either PHL or BWI.  As hybrid mentioned above, it does seem like it will end up being a 'builder's triangle' situation where we could have exactly what we want but pay through the nose, or compromise with longer commutes, more crime, less walkability, etc. I guess there's a reason expensive neighborhoods are expensive, right?

Is anyone familiar with the Wilmington area?  COL seems a little lower especially from a tax standpoint in Delaware. (Although at this point, my idea of what a house costs is so skewed due to DC prices, everywhere else looks relatively affordable).  I'd be interested to know any specific neighborhoods you love in Philly or Baltimore, too.

Baltimore neighborhoods I live in and/or like:
Locust Point
Federal Hill
Fells Point
Canton