Author Topic: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?  (Read 1562 times)

live4soccer7

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 75
Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« on: November 01, 2024, 05:10:17 PM »
I have always use this abysmal site (Washington Health Plan Finder) to get my family healthcare. We very rarely ever go to the doctor. I select an HSA plan for us every year.

Is there somewhere else I can get a cheaper plan? It is $1200 a month for 3 of us and we never go to the doctor. We each go for an annual "checkup" or whatever it's called and that's it. It seems absurd to pay $14,400 for pretty much never going to the doctor. I understand that things happen, but c'mon.

I really want an HSA eligible plan for the reason of contributing to an HSA.

Any help or suggestions would be great. Thank you.

Cranky

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3962
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2024, 08:01:39 PM »
You pay car insurance every year and are happy if you never need to use it, right?

Maybe think of health insurance as more like that. There are lots of years when I don’t go to the doctor, but that one year when dh and I both needed surgery billed at about $250k altogether and we paid about $2k all said and done.

So I don’t know the answer to your question but I wouldn’t sign up for anything that isn’t really and truly medical insurance, and I wouldn’t go without insurance especially if I had a kid. And yes, it’s a lot of money.

live4soccer7

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 75
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2024, 08:22:19 PM »
You pay car insurance every year and are happy if you never need to use it, right?

Maybe think of health insurance as more like that. There are lots of years when I don’t go to the doctor, but that one year when dh and I both needed surgery billed at about $250k altogether and we paid about $2k all said and done.

So I don’t know the answer to your question but I wouldn’t sign up for anything that isn’t really and truly medical insurance, and I wouldn’t go without insurance especially if I had a kid. And yes, it’s a lot of money.

Thank you for the response. I do agree, it is just really frustrating when it goes up 20% every year. I was hoping maybe there was some sort of other broker or something to go through for different/cheaper options.

slugsworth

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 366
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2024, 10:11:05 PM »
If you are fire you can possibility get your ami low enough to get medicaid but that is a pretty low threshold for a family unless you have a paid off house.

live4soccer7

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 75
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2024, 10:16:15 PM »
If you are fire you can possibility get your ami low enough to get medicaid but that is a pretty low threshold for a family unless you have a paid off house.

That's interesting. This is something that is new to me. I'm looking here:
https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/medicaid-eligibility-washington/

Is that the right place to look? I see "asset limit" as well, not sure what that means.

I see there is also APTC as well. At current we don't qualify for either, but it would be good to learn more of years that could be coming soon to us with proper planning.

reeshau

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3889
  • Location: Houston, TX Former locations: Detroit, Indianapolis, Dublin
  • FIRE'd Jan 2020
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2024, 11:57:34 PM »
 Medical expenses account for 66% of all personal bankruptcies in the US.  They are the #1 cause.  Do what you can to manage your insurance cost, but don't get there by skimping on coverage.

live4soccer7

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 75
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2024, 12:50:34 PM »
Thanks for the advice.

seattlecyclone

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7492
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Seattle, WA
    • My blog
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2024, 04:39:08 PM »
Do you qualify for any premium subsidies at all? If so, I doubt an off-marketplace plan would offer any sort of significant cost savings. Health insurance is expensive because health care is expensive.

You can check the major insurance companies for off-marketplace plans. For example I looked on Kaiser Permanente's site, and they're selling six plans if you buy directly through them. They offer seven plans through Washingon Health Plan Finder. Two of these plans are identical (in coverage and price) whether you buy direct or through the exchange. That leaves five plans that are only available through the exchange and four (including a silver HSA plan) that are only available if you buy directly from Kaiser Permanente.

The off-exchange plans don't look like they have any significantly better value than the on-exchange plans. They just offer a slightly different combo of premium/deductible/coinsurance/out-of-pocket maximum.

lhamo

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3820
  • Location: Seattle
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2024, 10:24:54 AM »
If you are fire you can possibility get your ami low enough to get medicaid but that is a pretty low threshold for a family unless you have a paid off house.

That's interesting. This is something that is new to me. I'm looking here:
https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/medicaid-eligibility-washington/

Is that the right place to look? I see "asset limit" as well, not sure what that means.

I see there is also APTC as well. At current we don't qualify for either, but it would be good to learn more of years that could be coming soon to us with proper planning.

The site you are looking at is for Medicaid for those over age 65.  Totally different set of rules than expanded medicaid under the ACA. 

If you can structure your income so that you take it irregularly and do not have two consecutive months where your household income exceeds the monthly income limits, you can qualify for Apple Health even if your annual income does go over the annual limit.  I learned this when I TRIED to sign up for a regular ACA plan when we had a large capital gain (house sale) and was informed by my Healthcare Navigator that a one-time bump in income that did not repeat would not kick my family off Apple Health.

Here is the pdf that explains how Apple Health works:

https://www.hca.wa.gov/assets/free-or-low-cost/22-315.pdf


fuzzy math

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1860
  • Age: 43
  • Location: PNW
  • Trying to stay FIREd
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2024, 03:38:30 PM »


If you can structure your income so that you take it irregularly and do not have two consecutive months where your household income exceeds the monthly income limits, you can qualify for Apple Health even if your annual income does go over the annual limit.  I learned this when I TRIED to sign up for a regular ACA plan when we had a large capital gain (house sale) and was informed by my Healthcare Navigator that a one-time bump in income that did not repeat would not kick my family off Apple Health.

Here is the pdf that explains how Apple Health works:

https://www.hca.wa.gov/assets/free-or-low-cost/22-315.pdf

OK this is fascinating and deserves much more conversation! Are you saying if you only withdraw money every 3 months you'd be eligible? Or just once for a whole year or what?

Also which program / which page are you referring to? I'm lost in the minutae of reading all the various programs. It looks like my low income mother might qualify for some stuff here too... I don't even know where I'd start to inquire about services for her.

seattlecyclone

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7492
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Seattle, WA
    • My blog
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2024, 04:57:08 PM »


If you can structure your income so that you take it irregularly and do not have two consecutive months where your household income exceeds the monthly income limits, you can qualify for Apple Health even if your annual income does go over the annual limit.  I learned this when I TRIED to sign up for a regular ACA plan when we had a large capital gain (house sale) and was informed by my Healthcare Navigator that a one-time bump in income that did not repeat would not kick my family off Apple Health.

Here is the pdf that explains how Apple Health works:

https://www.hca.wa.gov/assets/free-or-low-cost/22-315.pdf

OK this is fascinating and deserves much more conversation! Are you saying if you only withdraw money every 3 months you'd be eligible? Or just once for a whole year or what?

I also was put on Apple Health by surprise a few years ago. I had left my job in I think September and bought COBRA coverage for the rest of that year. During that time I had next to no income (except some quarterly dividends from my taxable account) as I wasn't selling investments and was instead just spending down my last few paychecks that I had retained in my checking account. I applied for subsidized ACA exchange coverage for the next year based on an annual income estimate around 2x the poverty level. However about half of that estimate was due to be paid in a lump sum from a deferred compensation plan payout from my prior job. The exchange looked at my income records and told me my family would actually be offered Medicaid since the recent few months had all had income below the qualifying threshold. I called into their customer service just to double-check that this wasn't an error. They assured me it was correct, and they also mentioned that the one-time deferred comp payment wasn't disqualifying because a) it's only a one-time thing, and b) it hadn't actually happened yet, and they only look backward at actual income to make these determinations.

Sure enough, Washington requires Apple Health recipients to report changes in income from month to month when the income or deductions changed by at least $150 and that new amount is expected to persist for at least two months. As long as you never have consecutive months with income above the limit, especially in the months around your annual income review, there's no actual limit on how much income you can have in a year and still remain eligible for Apple Health.

Now, I do personally have some misgivings about intentionally scheduling my income to all be in one month just to be eligible for this health coverage, when the same income spread evenly throughout the year would cause me to be ineligible. That seems too much like "gaming the system" for my taste. It's important to keep the reasoning behind this rule in mind: the government doesn't want someone who experiences a sharp drop in income to be uninsured through the end of the year, nor do they generally find it worthwhile to kick people off the program when they have a temporary windfall just for one month only to process them back into it the next month. If your income naturally tends to be lumpy, so be it.

fuzzy math

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1860
  • Age: 43
  • Location: PNW
  • Trying to stay FIREd
Re: Where to find healthcare outside of WHPF (WA State)?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2024, 02:50:04 PM »
Thanks for your response @seattlecyclone ! Helpful link and a good example of it working in real life. We're nowhere near being ready to FIRE with that low of income on paper for any length of time (draining HSA etc would go quick) and our house payment is substantial so we're not going to have a low income ever organically unless our housing situation changes.