Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
$68k out of pocket for a new house and $32k for solar panels to put on the roof of that house. Do I "win"?
$68k out of pocket for a new house and $32k for solar panels to put on the roof of that house. Do I "win"?
I'd be interested to hear about the payback period for an investment that large.
$68k out of pocket for a new house and $32k for solar panels to put on the roof of that house. Do I "win"?
I'd be interested to hear about the payback period for an investment that large.
About 6k spent last summer on maintenance free decking. I'm still trying to install all of it. Ask me in ten years if it was worth the premium over wood.
Agree with the Libertarian.
1. Taxes (Federal)- I think I probably bought part of a missile to kill some brown guys on the other side of the world that I have never met (GD I hope no kids got it by accident) but other folks decided that they should die and I should pay for it. Maybe I paid for something more worthwhile like a Pell grant to a deserving student but I really doubt it.
2. Taxes (Property)- Great piles of loot for a school system that graduates about 66% of HS seniors and received an F from the state board of education.
3. Taxes (FICA/Medicare)- At least this went to someone in need I hope.
Feeling Snarky.- just paid property taxes for second half.
It was tuition...
Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
I'm sure there are very high non-pecuniary benefits with something like that for many people in addition to just dollars and cents. To each their own. Then again, I'm admittedly a sucker for renewable energies.Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
Wtf? How high are your electric bills? I could pay my electric bill for the rest of my life with $28k.
I'm sure there are very high non-pecuniary benefits with something like that for many people in addition to just dollars and cents. To each their own. Then again, I'm admittedly a sucker for renewable energies.Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
Wtf? How high are your electric bills? I could pay my electric bill for the rest of my life with $28k.
Largest single purchase/payment in last 12 months: $1800 on student loans
Wtf? How high are your electric bills? I could pay my electric bill for the rest of my life with $28k.
Again, there are non-pecuniary benefits, which are always the hardest to quantify/qualify. Some people receive satisfaction tinkering around with and learning about green technologies or simply even knowing that on a larger scale it is making the most out of what we have. If I was FIRE and curious about a water barrel, I might buy it even if it is a perceived loss with regard to only dollars. Do you have any hobbies where you spend more money on them than what the end product produces (or purchased ANYTHING where the $output<$input)?I'm sure there are very high non-pecuniary benefits with something like that for many people in addition to just dollars and cents. To each their own. Then again, I'm admittedly a sucker for renewable energies.Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
Wtf? How high are your electric bills? I could pay my electric bill for the rest of my life with $28k.
Largest single purchase/payment in last 12 months: $1800 on student loans
Yea but it still needs to make sense. Would spend $1,000 on a water barrel that is going to save you $100 worth of water? Also, in what sense would that even be green with such a low ROI?
Maybe they use a ton of electricity, or maybe they are selling it back to the grid at a profit. It seems alarmingly high to me though.
Again, there are non-pecuniary benefits, which are always the hardest to quantify/qualify. Some people receive satisfaction tinkering around with and learning about green technologies or simply even knowing that on a larger scale it is making the most out of what we have. If I was FIRE and curious about a water barrel, I might buy it even if it is a perceived loss with regard to only dollars. Do you have any hobbies where you spend more money on them than what the end product produces (or purchased ANYTHING where the $output<$input)?I'm sure there are very high non-pecuniary benefits with something like that for many people in addition to just dollars and cents. To each their own. Then again, I'm admittedly a sucker for renewable energies.Solar panels. $28k. Worth it.
Wtf? How high are your electric bills? I could pay my electric bill for the rest of my life with $28k.
Largest single purchase/payment in last 12 months: $1800 on student loans
Yea but it still needs to make sense. Would spend $1,000 on a water barrel that is going to save you $100 worth of water? Also, in what sense would that even be green with such a low ROI?
Maybe they use a ton of electricity, or maybe they are selling it back to the grid at a profit. It seems alarmingly high to me though.
Perhaps I am overly optimistic about future technology, but I'm of the opinion if enough people demand alternatives, a) the end product (e.g. electric cars, wind generators, solar panels, etc.) will get more efficient over time and b) the average price will come down eventually at least on a per unit basis.
That said, Erica's blog post she references has the payback period at 5.5 years and lists the various credits which make it financially viable as well. Win-win!
What was your largest purchase of the last 12 months and was it "worth it"?
Mine would be $2,500 deductible for medical bills for my son being born...needless to say it was totally worth it haha.
We installed solar panels as well 3 years ago. The up front cost was about $30k. The federal and state tax rebates brought down that cost to about $10k. We live in Hawaii where electricity costs upwards of $0.40/kWh. Our system produces about 5 MWh/year or roughly $2k at today's electricity prices. Thus the payback time is approximately 5 years. Greens all around :)
Of course I spend money, but I also do the math. For example the water barrel - it's a cool idea, and it might even save the earth! Until I run the numbers and find the payback period is gonna be over 10 years. It's gonna be friendlier to the earth to just purchase the water I need rather than create a set up for my water barrel. I had the same initial reaction to spending $28,000 on solar panels. I won't even use $28,000 worth of electricity in my life time so that cost seems very high to me.
I checked out sol's post on it and he did the math on it too (as i'm sure erica did too). They may get some non-monetary benefits out of it too, but he did the math too and it's gonna be a money saver for him in the long run. The answer seems to be government subsidies. The gov will refund a large portion (I think 30% in sol's case) of the initial cost, and then buy his electricity back above (at 7X in sol's case) the going market rate for electricity.