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Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« on: February 06, 2014, 06:56:11 PM »
Pretty sure that this isn't the typical cheery and light topic for the General Discussion forum... but I thought I'd give it a shot. Let's talk about breaking up, getting dumped, ending relationships, moving out, and moving on. I am day three into a very rough breakup and I have been dying to relate to others and hear stories about how they go for people (mostly how much better it will feel someday), to the point where I've been reading those cheesy "10 things to do when you break up" sponsored sectioned-out ad revenue articles trying to hold on desperately to the kernels of advice. Everything else I've learned from MMM and these forums has been absolutely golden, so I figure you wise people have got to wield some pretty darn good end of relationship advice too.

What are your breakup stories? What did it feel like? How long did it take to pass? Are you glad in retrospect? Any advice for when a breakup is this raw? What would you have done differently?

My story: I am 23 and going through my first big breakup. I have been living with my ex-partner for two years, we moved to a different city together, and now we're breaking up because of a lot of fundamental incompatibilities, a loss of trust, growing apart, and poor communication. Petrified by the idea of moving out and giving up all the comfort of cohabitation, we have tried for the last year to make it work out, but it has turned into a vicious cycle where nothing ever changes and we have become more deeply entrenched in the false sense of belonging in the relationship. Three nights ago I was told that my partner has been lying to me for months about several pretty major things, and I got so furious I hit him in the face. I've never hit anyone in my life. Had no idea I was going to until after I did. And then I said the most toxic, vicious things I could muster, going as far as to insult his family and make it clear that he'd never make anyone happy. Ugh. I am squirming writing this.

My confidence, self-esteem, individuality, and opportunities have all been greatly affected by this relationship. I know ending is for the best, and I'm young and so much life to live, so many other people out there, etc. The process is still god awful.

I have been trying to move out as quickly as possible and sever contact, have seen one apartment and seeing another tomorrow. I am very grateful that I don't have to deal with money woes on top of moving out. I have been having trouble eating but am trying to take good care of myself, drink water, and exercise. I've doing deep breathing and stretching and biking a few miles a day (in -30F today!!!) Today is better than yesterday, but I am still constantly having to remind myself why I am leaving and why it is better for me to leave, rather than stay in the ugly comfort of an unfulfilled relationship. I have a list in my pocket of all the reasons that I've been pulling out and reading, like once every two hours.

So... if you too are experiencing the universal worst feeling in the world and you'd like to vent about it, please! Share your story. It is cathartic. Lots of people have felt the pain before us and many will after us. *deep breath, sob, regret, turn on sad music, punch pillow, calm down, think everything is fine, be jolted back into reality suddenly and without warning*
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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 07:13:20 PM »
Your 23. I am 54.   It seems earth shattering at your age, at my age you look back and wonder why you thought such things were so important.   Don’t be defined by a relationship or another person, define yourself.   Get to the point where you are completely comfortable, happy, proud, and content with yourself.  Then, when you really don’t desire or need a relationship, you might actually be ready for one.  Then my advice would be to find a true companion, someone who you would chose to hang out with even if there were no sex or romance involved.   It’s a cliché but it’s true, marry the person who you would be best friends with, someone who you can relax and be yourself around, the sex, hormones, and all the emotional drama don’t matter as much as most people imagine.   Final thought, being in a bad relationship is tons worse than standing on your own. 

If you feel depressed get productive and stay busy, it will keep your mind from dwelling on the change and will pay off in other ways.  Moping around is the worst.

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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 07:25:20 PM »
Your 23. I am 54.   It seems earth shattering at your age, at my age you look back and wonder why you thought such things were so important.   Don’t be defined by a relationship or another person, define yourself.   Get to the point where you are completely comfortable, happy, proud, and content with yourself.  Then, when you really don’t desire or need a relationship, you might actually be ready for one.  Then my advice would be to find a true companion, someone who you would chose to hang out with even if there were no sex or romance involved.   It’s a cliché but it’s true, marry the person who you would be best friends with, someone who you can relax and be yourself around, the sex, hormones, and all the emotional drama don’t matter as much as most people imagine.   Final thought, being in a bad relationship is tons worse than standing on your own. 

If you feel depressed get productive and stay busy, it will keep your mind from dwelling on the change and will pay off in other ways.  Moping around is the worst.

I think this is good advice.

OP, I think it's great you are exercising and doing other things for yourself. My first break up was rough. I did a lot of mountain biking and weight lifting, which was great for me. That was 9 years ago; I cannot remember the last time I felt bad at all about it.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 08:37:31 AM »
Your 23. I am 54.   It seems earth shattering at your age, at my age you look back and wonder why you thought such things were so important. 

Yes, or you look back and think "thank GOD I didn't stay with him! Thank GOD we didn't get pregnant! Why the HELL did I waste X years of my life on him?!!"

Don’t be defined by a relationship or another person, define yourself.   Get to the point where you are completely comfortable, happy, proud, and content with yourself.  Then, when you really don’t desire or need a relationship, you might actually be ready for one.  Then my advice would be to find a true companion, someone who you would chose to hang out with even if there were no sex or romance involved.   It’s a cliché but it’s true, marry the person who you would be best friends with, someone who you can relax and be yourself around, the sex, hormones, and all the emotional drama don’t matter as much as most people imagine.   Final thought, being in a bad relationship is tons worse than standing on your own. 

If you feel depressed get productive and stay busy, it will keep your mind from dwelling on the change and will pay off in other ways.  Moping around is the worst.

Wise, wise, wise advice.

Also, pay attention to your anger. Saying hideous things to someone and, god forbid, HITTING them (!) is just not not not okay, unless the person in question is, say, a criminal trying to attack you or break into your house. You need to learn better ways of dealing with your anger (which may include better ways of managing your expectations, so that XYZ doesn't set you off so strongly). Please don't take this as judgment. It is advice. If you just let your temper be like that, you may really hurt a valuable and wonderful person someday. That way of handling anger is a terrible ingredient in any relationship and thus a near-guarantee that you will have problems in relationships unless and until you address it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2014, 08:55:22 AM »
I agree so much with what everyone said already. I also want to add: try thinking of it as a close call. I almost married a wonderful guy who I dated for about 4 years. We ended up breaking up because of circumstances, and our lives just generally heading in different directions. It was mutual, and totally civil, although we did stop speaking to each other, just in order to have space to move on. As time went on, I learned things about him that I hadn't really known. He wasn't a master manipulator, or a horrible person or anything, but the more I stepped back, the more I realized....he drank a little too much. He checked out my girlfriends a little more (and a little more vocally), than I was comfortable with. He wasn't as devoted to certaing things (finance, my religion, family), that I was. In the end, I am SO thankful that I didn't marry him and get stuck, or divorced. I learned just who I really was (and I was right around 26 at the time, so even older than you), and how to stand on my own. It sucks right now, and you're hurting, but try to focus on what lessons you have learned from the relationship, and not on the stuff you miss. Pretty soon, you won't miss it at all.

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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 10:54:01 AM »
Here is my advice which I find very hard to follow myself: let it be over. I know right now you're angry and sad and frustrated and confused and scared. But, once you find an apartment you'll start to feel better, tempers will cool, and you'll both probably get nostalgic at some point. The best thing you can do for a break-up is come to terms that it is really and truly over. I have gotten into friends-with-benefits-with-ex with one ex and back-together-break-up-back-together-break-up with my most recent (this last break up just two weeks ago). Looking back now I just don't know why I bothered spending time with people I knew, deep down, were not right for me after we broke up the first time.

The best break-up I had was one where I made the decision to end it, ended it, and stuck to it. That break-up was also great because I realized that I was more sad about not being with anyone than I was about not being with him. So I spent a good 6 months single and really worked on enjoying my own company. I also watched this a lot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7X7sZzSXYs

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2014, 11:35:42 AM »
Oh yes, absolutely been there. From the sounds of it you already have the resilience and inner resources to be able to deal with this and come out the other side, stronger and happier. You have tried to sever contact, which in my opinion is a very good thing (not for everyone I know, but I think it's usually a good idea). You're actively doing things to help yourself and you have the empathy to know that others have dealt with similar, and you're seeking their help too. It all seems like you're on a good path to me.

Although I realise it probably just hurts like hell. I was absolutely blind-sided by how much it hurt when I went through a break up at the age of 26. If you'd like a cautionary tale of what not to do, read on...

Because I was the one instigating the break up, and I was sure that I wanted the relationship to be over, I believed that was it, done and dusted, no need to cry, move on straight away and never look back. How wrong I was. I tried to completely deny that I was upset, for about 6 months. I drank heavily in that time to try and numb my feelings. It was a long uphill struggle. I eventually had to face up to the fact that I was in pain, and face that pain, feel it and let it happen. I kept thinking - how can it hurt THIS MUCH?!? Does EVERYBODY go through this? I couldn't believe how bad it was, and I didn't believe anyone when they told me that it gets better.

But after facing up to the terrible feelings, lo and behold, they started to get less scary, and I started to heal. Now, about a year and a half later, I can honestly say it's true, it really, really does get better. You really do heal. It won't feel like it when you're in the middle of it, but it really does get better.

And lastly, you probably can't even think about this right now, but once you get over the shitty break up, which is a process you have to go through, you'll still be very young, and free, and have an entire world of possibilities right in front of you - and other many other people to love, who will love you back. You've opened a door. It does take a while to recover, but there is nothing wrong with that.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 11:48:40 AM »
I was with a man for 6.5 years, I thought he was the love of my life. My world centered around him, I could never imagine life without him. When it ended. I cried in the floor. Like laying in the floor for hours. I was despondent and shut down for months. I didn't know how I was going to go on. But I did. I found a man who filled that hole in my heart and made me feel like a person again.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 11:50:41 AM »
oh man.  i've been there.  and it was rough.  like could barely get out of bed rough.  obsessively facebook stalking, and the ever so regretful "ex sex", and eventually being forced by my friends and parents to seek professional help because i was really depressed over it.
i will say for me personally there is no break up as bad as the very first break up where you were really in love.  so at least it gets better from here.  like the other person said let it be over.  leave it alone and do NOT try and be friends.  no meeting for lunch, or friendly texts.  nothing. 
my therapist gave me a coping mechanism that helped at the time.  he told me that you're going to feel sad, and you're going to feel shitty, so do it.  but set a time limit.  for ten minutes be sad, and then go on with your day and don't think about it constantly. 
i think you're doing great keeping busy and exercising.  keep it up.  and be busy.  call friends, make plans, find something to do so you are distracted.
and like you said, every day gets a little bit better. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 12:28:59 PM »
At 27, I broke up with my long-term bf of about 3.5 years.  We had been living together for most of that time.  He came home from a 1.5 week business trip to tell me he met someone else and cheated on me over there.  So that was pretty rough.  I was 2 weeks from law school exams too.  I just focused on getting done what I needed to get done (studying/exams).  I lost about 10-15 pounds and then weighed 105, so I worried my friends.  I tried not to talk about it too much, but I regret some folks I did tell.  So, try to keep a lid on sharing because you can't unshare. 

I heard once you should be single 2 months for every year you dated, so I should have waited about 8 months before dating again.  This is incredibly good advice because it lets you heal and be YOU again rather than part of a couple, and figure out what YOU really like and want to do.  I actually was single for 1.5 years, which was a long stretch for me (I was in another long-term relationships prior to this during college for about 4 years, but it ended more amicably).  Next person I dated was my husband, and we knew on date 1 we'd likely get married, although we waited 4 years.

Sever contact.  My ex moved to a foreign country to be with the gal (later broke up with her and married someone else rapidly).  He called because they had a crisis with passports (the new gal left theirs in a taxi) and called 4 times when I was in class and was pretty PITA when I picked up the call after class and helped him.  You don't need that.  You also don't need wondering how he is etc., so go no contact.

And next time - don't get physical.  That's very bad as I am sure you know.

The good part?  I dodged a bullet!  I later learned my ex lied to me about many things, including where he lived (he showed me two houses that he "grew up" in), where he went to school (showed me a private school he "attended"), and how his dad died. 

Also...don't jump into living with someone, as I did for convenience sake.  Wait.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 01:26:34 PM »
I don't have anything to add here, except to say that I am always amazed at the quality of our MMM community, and how we come to the aid of anyone and everyone. Congratulations to all..

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 02:29:27 PM »
I don't have anything to add here, except to say that I am always amazed at the quality of our MMM community, and how we come to the aid of anyone and everyone. Congratulations to all..

+1 well done all. Some of the posts here are the best I've seen on the board.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2014, 03:36:18 PM »
Mrs. Owl and I started dating in high school.  Fast forward to college and she broke up with me junior year if I recall.... so she could have the "full college experience".  My world was ending, the breakup sucked, I was despondent for months.  I put my energy into bodybuilding and became damn good at it.  Like awesome.  That was key for me - to put my energy into something else and be really good at it.  Ffwd a year or so and all of a sudden she was calling me again.  I had gone on a few dates by then with other women and had really gotten over her, so I was very hesitant to get back into it.  One night we decided to go out to eat in her college town (she was graduating), and all of a sudden it seemed right.  Several months later we moved halfway across the country together and will be celebrating 8yrs of perfect marriage this year.

The moral of the story - life usually finds a way of working out in the end.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 03:38:48 PM »
So you know that whole "bucket of ice cream" trope? I don't get it. For a week after my first big breakup, everything tasted like cardboard. I like food, and always have, but nothing was remotely appetizing. I lost 5 lbs in that one week.

My mom made me go to school (this was senior year), even though I didn't want to and my parents were generally pretty liberal about 'being sick.' But it was good that she did, because things had to get back to normal and I had to face him and face everyone and get through the rough patches. It helped that our mutual friends were sympathetic.

I didn't want to be alone. I invited a friend to do homework and then went hiking nearby with another. Being outside was good, too. Not exercising really, but just walking, and talking, and venting. She had actually also just got dumped, which was, in a sense, fortunate for both of us (in that we had someone to talk to who was going through the same thing).

It's hard to give advice in words because as an intelligent person surely you know it all already. Time and distance do help cure your heartache. Eventually other people do look attractive. It really is over, and there is no way back, and don't think there is. The problem is you don't necessarily believe it yet (took me a few weeks to really internalize everything). The first night, my  mom sat on my bed and just held me and that was the right thing to do. Because she knew that I knew everything that she could say. Then again, a few days later I kind of wanted to hear it anyway.

You don't have to hate him. Our society tells you you do, but you don't. Not every relationship that ends was useless or bad or failed. He helped you grow, and you had good times. You didn't waste your time, but the time you had for him in your life has come to an end. It's ok.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 03:46:11 PM »
Mrs. Owl and I started dating in high school.  Fast forward to college and she broke up with me junior year if I recall.... so she could have the "full college experience".  My world was ending, the breakup sucked, I was despondent for months.  I put my energy into bodybuilding and became damn good at it.  Like awesome.  That was key for me - to put my energy into something else and be really good at it.  Ffwd a year or so and all of a sudden she was calling me again.  I had gone on a few dates by then with other women and had really gotten over her, so I was very hesitant to get back into it.  One night we decided to go out to eat in her college town (she was graduating), and all of a sudden it seemed right.  Several months later we moved halfway across the country together and will be celebrating 8yrs of perfect marriage this year.

The moral of the story - life usually finds a way of working out in the end.

Oh yes.  It turned out for me, DH was someone I narrowly missed meeting several times.  We had mutual friends in common (in fact, the amicable breakup I described above was one of his fraternity brothers and they knew each other, only DH was 4 years older so we never were at the college at the same time).  I almost worked with a very good college buddy of his who was an usher at our wedding (and undoubtably would have met DH then), but for the recession and my class having our job offers rescinded.  We almost played on a soccer team together but I quit a bit before going off to grad school (met when we returned).  But DH claims it's all good, because who knows if we would be together had we not met when we did.  The other two times I was with long-term ex #1 and #2.

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 03:47:46 PM »
I don't have anything to add here, except to say that I am always amazed at the quality of our MMM community, and how we come to the aid of anyone and everyone. Congratulations to all..

+1 well done all. Some of the posts here are the best I've seen on the board.

+2

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2014, 05:22:08 PM »
Agree with everyones advice. Deciding to end a bad relationship is a big step. It will all get easier in time. Just let yourself heal and don't dwell. Keep yourself busy.

One thing you may want to do when your ready. You may want to apologize to your ex for hitting him and anything else you may regret. Someday this will all be a distant memory. You will look back and remember it as just a bump in the road. You may even forgive him for his immaturity, but your behavior may haunt you.  You might want to leave things in a way that you can look back and feel good about yourself. You can't change his behavior but you can still correct yours.

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2014, 05:50:34 PM »
To make a long story short: we were together for 6 years, owned a house together, split up(I initiated it), sold the house, moved.

My advice? It's okay to feel shitty. Yes it sucks. You are sad, hurt, lonely, angry, depressed, etc. Allow yourself to feel those things, and then work on feeling better. I started going to group fitness classes 4x/week & walking a few miles to work and back. I watched all those documentaries and chick flicks on Netflix that he never wanted to watch. I joined 3 different knitting groups. Although I'm fairly introverted and it would have been much easier (and far more comfortable) to stay home, I made a point of going out more: walking around my new neighbourhood, spending more time with friends & family, making casual conversation with friendly-looking strangers @ the grocery store or coffee shop.

And I eventually felt better. And dated other people. And now I've met a wonderful man who wants the same things I do, and we're getting married in the fall.

I also found that people were pretty supportive when I tearfully informed them of my newly single status. One co-worker actually called me brave, which I thought was surprising @ the time.

One thing I didn't do then, which I think now would have probably been helpful: If your employer has some kind of EAP(employee assistance program) consider contacting them & finding a counsellor to talk to; my workplace offers 6 sessions for free, and then additional sessions can be paid for. While it's tempting to let it all out on Facebook a neutral 3rd party who is bound by confidentiality rules is probably a better choice if you need to let it all out.

But whatever you do, for God's sake keep Adele out of the music rotation for awhile. 21 is a great album, but is really not the best choice of music if your heart is hurting. TRUST ME...

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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2014, 06:06:57 PM »
But whatever you do, for God's sake keep Adele out of the music rotation for awhile. 21 is a great album, but is really not the best choice of music if your heart is hurting. TRUST ME...

While going through this last break-up I picked up the piano music for 21 by Adele. It feels good to pound out 'Don't You Remember' on those keys!

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2014, 10:25:09 PM »
Give yourself time. Time is really the best cure. And don't text or call or email or stalk their Facebook. Give yourself space and time.

It's a very difficult time, recognize that and let yourself heal.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2014, 10:40:09 PM »
Well what the hell, I might as well add my story to this thread. Maybe summing up the last two months will help make me feel better, and I would definitely appreciate a wiser perspective or two. (Warning: long post ahead.)

My girlfriend and I broke up in December. We had been dating for almost three years. She was perfect for me in many ways and she made me incredibly happy. She was no less enamored with me, but as time went on she became increasingly ambivalent about the relationship. Something was making her unhappy and anxious. The feeling would come and go; when it was gone, things were wonderful between us, but when it reappeared it gnawed at her soul and would occasionally lead to bitter arguments. We would discuss what was wrong, but at best she could only conjecture. I was always confident that things would eventually work out, but in retrospect I had no plan aside from waiting for her conflicted feelings to just go away (stupid, I know).

Last fall we moved to a new city together and decided to live together since we'd essentially been doing it already for two years and because it would save a lot of money. Over the next few months she grew increasingly unhappy and our arguments became more and more frequent. When she took some timid initial steps toward breaking up after Thanksgiving, the deterioration between us took on a life of its own, accelerating into a whirlwind of emotional confusion that led us to break up just to try making sense of what had happened. She moved out and we split the half of the rent she had been paying (an agreement we'd come to before moving in – I guess the possibility was on our minds back then).

The following month was brutal for both of us. We were both devastated. She fell into depression and her anxiety worsened. We met in person once or twice and talked over the phone a few times, trying to figure out what had happened, but we usually ended up arguing. She told me it never seemed like I really cared about her, which for me was a perplexing and deeply hurtful accusation. I found out (long story) that right after our breakup she'd had sex with a close friend of hers, one who had given her emotional support when she found herself racked with confusion about our relationship. While I knew I couldn't hold this against her—I'd have done the exact same thing given the opportunity—I couldn't help but feel intense jealousy and anger. Over the next few weeks, this clouded my perspective on who she was and what she was going through. I imagined her going along just fine without me, not caring about how I was doing, which led me to say some awful things to her and resolve not to contact her again. At this point we'd been broken up for almost a month and I felt worse than ever.

Then came a turning point. She called me and showed great patience and understanding, trying to calm me down and understand why I had suddenly told her to go fuck herself. This led to a long and life-changing conversation. She told me that her ambivalence stemmed from the fact that I was the type of person to consistently put my own needs and wants before those of anyone else, while she was the opposite type of person. This manifested itself, she told me, in a variety of ways. That conversation brought together several recent insights, and to my horror I realized that she was right.

I realized she was a much wiser person than I was. I looked at myself with an entirely new perspective, and I was disgusted and astounded by what I saw. I realized that while I had always been happy to be the recipient of others' generosity, I was never similarly generous to others. I never gave her feelings the serious consideration they deserved. I was cheap with her. Furthermore, after our breakup she had shown me kindness after I had been so harsh to her, which was incredibly touching and inspiring. Trying to at least make things somewhat right, I got her flowers and made her a card. We parted on good terms, resolving not to talk for a while, and I set about trying to change myself.

I realized that the frugality principles I had come to embody since discovering this site were actually quite dangerous when wielded by an ungenerous spirit. The problem was not with MMM's ideas, but with the way I had misused them. I had come to think of generosity like it was just another optional personal expenditure: parting with the money (or time) is something unpleasant that should be avoided until I'm FI. Generosity, I know now, is nothing like that – not like any other use of money or time. It is an attitude that cannot be faked: the joy of knowing that you were able to make a positive difference in the life of another. If you give out of generosity, you don't miss what you gave up. The principles of MMM are profound and true, but only if you restrict them completely to yourself. Frugality is about deciding what truly matters to you and adjusting your consumption accordingly, but if you impose those decisions on others, you have likely crossed the border into cheapness. I am trying to distance myself from the ideas on this site for a while until I feel prepared to handle them with maturity.

I realized that I would rather have a generous heart and be completely broke than be wealthy, stingy, and selfish (not that you should choose one extreme or the other – in fact I'm sure you maximize your ability to give by finding a balance). I'm now on a wait list for volunteering at a local community shelter and am researching some charities to give to. I told my ex not to worry about paying me rent like we had agreed on, which will save her about $2000 over the course of the lease. We had actually talked about that before and I had gotten very angry, but now it just seemed like the right thing to do. I am pretty well off for my age while she is really struggling financially.

Unfortunately, all of this has left me feeling even worse about the breakup because the personal changes I now feel compelled to follow through with could very well have saved the relationship. After a few weeks of no contact between us, I broke down a few days ago and asked her if she'd consider trying again. We talked about it and had a (depressingly) wonderful time reconnecting, but the bottom line is that while she would love to try again as much as I would, it's too soon for her. So we agreed not to contact each other for a long time. I told her to let me know if she ever changed her mind. I do not plan on trying to initiate anything with her again; I think it would need to be her decision, not mine.

So now I'm just trying to forget about someone I thought I would be spending the rest of my life with. This breakup is the worst thing that's happened to me as an adult, and I resolved shortly after it happened to turn it into the best. I have a lot of self-improvement I need to do, and some of it will be much easier while single. I've resolved to take advantage of every possible opportunity afforded by this tumultuous life change, and have been succeeding so far. I'm just waiting for it not to hurt so damn much. I know there are other fish in the sea, that I'm not defined by my relationship, etc., but this is small consolation right now.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2014, 10:54:35 PM »
All great advice posted above.

What you should *not* do is start drinking (if you don't already), drink to get drunk every day for at least two months, and let the whole world know how sad you are for months more after. I did that.

My ex decided he wanted to study Arabic in Amman. Fine. I had plans to move to South Korea to work, and we planned to live a life of travel, sharing unique experiences together. I was pretty surprised when I got a Skype call from him after about two weeks of not talking just to be dumped for no reason. I found out maybe six months later when he picked up his things that he thought I had been brilliant, but he was simply afraid of commitment. He was stuck in Texas because he got a DUI while visiting family. I clearly wasn't over him at that point because my first thought was "then stay with me!"

But I did move to South Korea. I had a couple stupid flings, then decided to be single for good. But I met someone online who challenged my "single for good" stance, and here I am with yet another long distance boyfriend. This one isn't afraid of commitment, though ;-)

This all sounds pretty typical and even echos some of the above posts, but I wanted to share because there is one notable difference: there is no way for me to go back. I had a dream about my ex a few weeks ago, looked him up on Facebook, and messaged him. Doing the whole "Facebook stalk" to see what he was up to, I discovered that he wasn't up to anything at all. He shot himself in August 2013.

My initial reaction was similar to when he broke up with me. I felt like he was leaving me/left me all over again. But then I took a trip to Texas to see my family and spent a couple weeks with my current boyfriend. It was much more difficult to mourn the loss of someone I had already lost when I had so much love in my present.

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2014, 10:37:30 AM »
I had come to think of generosity like it was just another optional personal expenditure: parting with the money (or time) is something unpleasant that should be avoided until I'm FI. Generosity, I know now, is nothing like that – not like any other use of money or time. It is an attitude that cannot be faked: the joy of knowing that you were able to make a positive difference in the life of another. If you give out of generosity, you don't miss what you gave up. The principles of MMM are profound and true, but only if you restrict them completely to yourself. Frugality is about deciding what truly matters to you and adjusting your consumption accordingly, but if you impose those decisions on others, you have likely crossed the border into cheapness.

That is incredibly insightful. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2014, 10:51:09 AM »
Conversation with a college friend recently:

Her:  "You could date anyone."
Me: "Nah, I just got dumped frequently. "

It's all in how you look at it...

Best time I ever got dumped was pretty cool.  A lady I was dating had a habit of fixing her about-to-be-dumped fellow up with a friend, then dumping him.

Aside from being very civilized, that's how I met my wife of almost 31 years.

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2014, 11:31:27 AM »
Wow everyone. Absolutely amazing. Like others said, I can't believe how supportive and brilliant this community is. Thank you so much, I will re-visit this thread over and over in the weeks/months to come, and I imagine it will keep living on to help others down the road!

Everything feels a bit better each day. I found a great apartment and submitted an application for a room, so hopefully that will work out. I also reached out to two best friends I haven't seen in a while and they both also broke up with their partners in the past week (!!), so next week I want to take a trip to Sedona, AZ where it is WARM and not high of -10 every day and rejuvenate in a cabin in the desert with my strong women friends.

I could use some more typical MMM advice on a subject: Moving out and doing the trip would take a big chunk of my liquid emergency fund, but I am so frugal and careful 99% of the time, I think that this is worth it. I have $1500 in a savings account and $1200 in i-bonds, but i-bonds aren't accessible as they haven't been in the account for a year quite yet.

Costs I am facing:

$550 deposit for apartment ($450 plus $400 last month's rent, but will receive my current $300 deposit back in apt I am living)
$200 budgeted for bed and anything else I need in new place (fully furnished other than my bedroom), will probably be more like $100 after a thorough assessment of beds on Craigslist, but just to be safe
$400 gas to Sedona and back. I posted CL rideshare ad to and from SLC, so this could go down to $250-300 depending
$100 extra unplanned costs for Sedona - cabin in desert is free, have no plans but reading in a hammock, going hiking in the area, playing board games, and crying with my friends

Minus any money I make on selling furniture (loveseat, king sized bed, handmade wooden lampstand, kitchen stuff)

No moving costs save 5 miles of gas - everything I own and need will fit in one, maybe two trips in my Chevy Blazer. Thank God I am a Mustachian.

I have no debt other than student loans ($7.3k down from $27k in 2.5 years, so I am waaaaay ahead of my payments) and I normally put 60-70% of my income a month at repaying student loans plus my Roth IRA ($5000), so if I just don't pay my loans for two months I will have my emergency fund back and will probably save to get it higher for the future, now that I see how quickly $1500 is spent.

I only spend $650-700 a month, meticulously manually tracked in a spreadsheet so that's not a guess. I also am pulling in about $200 a month extra at a side gig in February and March, putting my net income at $1800 a month.

In your objective eyes, is going on the trip still an awful idea or is the self-care and two month delay on paying off my debt worth it? Being honest, I might go no matter what the advice is, but I would like to think about it from all sides first.

I am a mega planner so here are the steps I plan to take in the next couple of months:

1.) Arizona 2/15 - 2/23
2.) Move-in date March 1st
3.) Go to two meetup events a month to find some new non-mutual friends
4.) Exercise, stretch, or do yoga every single day, even if it's only for a little bit
5.) Play piano or guitar every single day, even if it's only 5 minutes
6.) Continue doing Treehouse education for web development, at least 3-4 hours a week (usually it's more like 10-15)
7.) I have plenty of issues from all walks of my life and have tried counseling several times but have not had much success in the past. Obviously, as someone mentioned due to the unexpected anger, I need help and I'm going to look into it again. I volunteer at a crisis/suicide hotline every week, so I am familiar with the resources in my area and am close to a wonderfully supportive body of professionals.
8.) Overall goal is operation get myself back. I am realizing with this few days of distance how much I have sacrificed of the life I want to lead by constantly living through/having anxiety over/trying to fix the issues in this relationship. All the advice about focusing on the self is fantastic, keep it coming, and I am so ready to work on it!!!

Chest is lightening. You guys rule.
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2014, 11:57:26 AM »
Also, TwoWheels, I am sorry that an extremely painful loss had to be the driving force, but bravo on cutting to the core of yourself and being willing and open to change something about yourself that sounds like it guided a lot of your decisions. That you've discovered putting others needs first will in turn make you happier (in the same way that FI is supposed to make you happy), is incredibly inspiring and thanks for sharing.

Requoting this paragraph:

I realized that the frugality principles I had come to embody since discovering this site were actually quite dangerous when wielded by an ungenerous spirit. The problem was not with MMM's ideas, but with the way I had misused them. I had come to think of generosity like it was just another optional personal expenditure: parting with the money (or time) is something unpleasant that should be avoided until I'm FI. Generosity, I know now, is nothing like that – not like any other use of money or time. It is an attitude that cannot be faked: the joy of knowing that you were able to make a positive difference in the life of another. If you give out of generosity, you don't miss what you gave up. The principles of MMM are profound and true, but only if you restrict them completely to yourself. Frugality is about deciding what truly matters to you and adjusting your consumption accordingly, but if you impose those decisions on others, you have likely crossed the border into cheapness. I am trying to distance myself from the ideas on this site for a while until I feel prepared to handle them with maturity.

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2014, 12:17:07 PM »
Not sure about what the really major things were, but many guys lie.  We don't have the communication skills women have, so to get the stressor to go away, we may lie.  Not trying to excuse it; just the way it is for some

If you were totally, deeply committed to someone, then the emotional loss is similar to the death of a loved one.  You will feel hollow inside, won't be too hungry for a few weeks, may prefer not to interact with many, can go through the daily routines but not do deep planning. 

By all means go to Sedona (Sedona?).  You have an emergency fund, and this surely counts as an emergency.

Don't count or getting your security deposit back from present apartment; sometimes you do and sometimes landlord is very creative.

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2014, 01:04:07 PM »
In your objective eyes, is going on the trip still an awful idea or is the self-care and two month delay on paying off my debt worth it?
Yep, this is mental-health care, and your planning shows you'll achieve it at minimal expense.  Go do it.

Just a thought:  Was your ex as frugal as you are?  With him out of the picture, maybe you'll even end up accelerating your payoff a little bit more.  A silver lining, perhaps.

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2014, 01:32:03 PM »
Get rich with: Breaking up

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2014, 02:10:06 PM »
meant to add earlier: for women only - take one fish oil capsule a day (with a meal) -- seems to help a lot with depression, plus you get your fish stuff

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2014, 02:41:06 PM »
Frugality is about deciding what truly matters to you and adjusting your consumption accordingly, but if you impose those decisions on others, you have likely crossed the border into cheapness.

TwoWheels - thank you for sharing, it is hard to see your flaws, even harder to acknowledge them and takes tremendous strength and courage to try and better yourself.

This is definitely something I frequently do, imposing my 'frugality' on others particularly my wife.  My excuse is always that we should be more efficient with our resources but most of the time I just come out as cheap and wanting to die with all my money.  I try and just set an example or discuss how we could do things better, but often I become judgemental and become a total asshole when something doesn't go the way I would like them to.

I really does take a lot of maturity to try and not impose your view on others when they are not ready.

Good luck TwoWheels and sununderwood, try and take comfort in that you are doing the right thing and have our support.

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2014, 03:03:51 PM »
How about a funny breakup story to cheer everyone up? In high school, I dated a guy who was a little older and came from a *very* macho, South American culture.  I had to dump him, b/c when I went away to college he turned into a creepy, controlling stalker.  I tried to break it to him in person when I was home for a weekend, but he was totally plugging his ears and going "LA LA LA LA" so in the end, I had to dump him over the phone.

We had this long, drawn out, LONG DISTANCE phone call that lasted for over an hour.  Finally, I had something that I needed to attend, and told him I was hanging up, and he finally realized he wasn't going to change my mind.  His parting, tear-soaked words were: "I hate you! I hope you go f* yourself! I'M CALLING MY MOM!!!"

Oh, and when I hung up, I went to the all-school event, and met the guy I've been married to for 13+ years!

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2014, 07:09:28 PM »
Man I love this community. Thank you everyone for your support!

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2014, 08:07:56 PM »
Year before last, I dated a guy for about 8 months. His previous girlfriend had died of metastatic breast cancer only a couple of months before (You think I saw the warning signs? No). He was a jerk, but of course I kept dating him. We went to Spain together, and then I was going to travel around Europe for another 6 weeks. I came home 2 weeks early because travelling by myself was kinda boring, and I was homesick. I talked to BF about it, and told him I was coming home a few weeks early. I arrive back in Australia, but he's not at the train station to meet me. I eventually get hold of him, and he's like, "Yeahhhh, I don't think this is gonna work". Balls.

Six months later, I got very drunk & we had a punch-up at our department drinks (I'm so classy :( ). I ended up in hospital, and he ended up with a blood nose all over his favourite t-shirt. Highly embarrassed. Luckily I left town about a month later.

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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2014, 08:09:23 PM »
I don't have anything to add here, except to say that I am always amazed at the quality of our MMM community, and how we come to the aid of anyone and everyone. Congratulations to all..

+1 well done all. Some of the posts here are the best I've seen on the board.

+2

Consistently in love with the people on MMM. You guys rule. Talk about insightful commenters!

+3!



Also.. I feel that sometimes I fall into the below case.  Sometimes I just don't understand what upsets my wife.  She asks me if I understand why she feels the way she feels.  I tell her that I can see why things she described led her to feel that way, but I for the life of me cannot see some things I do/say leading to the reactions they eventually lead to.  Sometimes my stoicism, pragmatism, and logic makes me into a 'robot' and I just have no clue.

I had come to think of generosity like it was just another optional personal expenditure: parting with the money (or time) is something unpleasant that should be avoided until I'm FI. Generosity, I know now, is nothing like that – not like any other use of money or time. It is an attitude that cannot be faked: the joy of knowing that you were able to make a positive difference in the life of another. If you give out of generosity, you don't miss what you gave up. The principles of MMM are profound and true, but only if you restrict them completely to yourself. Frugality is about deciding what truly matters to you and adjusting your consumption accordingly, but if you impose those decisions on others, you have likely crossed the border into cheapness.

That is incredibly insightful. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Share your experiences with good old-fashioned breaking up
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2014, 09:54:54 PM »
Great advice here. Getting away sounds like an excellent plan.

My big tips are:

-Expect the pain of the breakup to flare up every so often, even when you think you're feeling better.
-Apologise for the things you are sorry for, but maybe do it by letter. Definitely minimum contact, for at least a year.
-Don't expect your mutual friends to take sides, and if your ex seems to be 'stealing' mutual friends, let him 'have' them. You can make new friends.
-Whatever you do, don't sleep with one of his friends to get back at him. Punch a pillow or work out like a maniac when you're angry, but take the high road. Writing angry letters then burning them helps, too.
- Try and minimize booze and caffeine intake, and eat small, regular meals. Someone mentioned fish oil - omega 3 should help keep your mood stable. I'm veggo, so use a vegan DHA supplement... Great for keeping low moods at bay.

Good luck, you will get through this.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2014, 11:07:25 PM »
I tried not to talk about it too much, but I regret some folks I did tell.  So, try to keep a lid on sharing because you can't unshare. 

Also...don't jump into living with someone, as I did for convenience sake.  Wait.

I second the two points above.


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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2014, 10:15:19 AM »
-Don't expect your mutual friends to take sides, and if your ex seems to be 'stealing' mutual friends, let him 'have' them. You can make new friends.

Agree.  You can't force mutual friends to stay with you (even by telling tales of dark deeds) and they won't appreciate feeling torn. 

I realized one set of mutual friends would probably report anything I said back to the ex.  I didn't trust them, and realized I couldn't stay good friends with them as a result and gave them up in effect.  Another friend I wanted to give the option to stay friends with both of us, so did not report the full saga until we were on a trip 8 months later, when she had already ignored the exes attempt to stay friends.  In the case of the amicable breakup where we see each other at friend's places at times, it turned out to be best to just avoid discussing the ex other than general very public news, so he didn't feel put on the spot and torn (a bit like divorced parents!).

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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2014, 02:23:27 PM »
I had my first true breakup last year. Dating a girl that lived six hours away. Awesome, attractive and shared almost all of my interests. She decided that her only real job prospects were in her home state, and she wasn't willing to continue the long distance thing. I was unable to relocate as well, but I would have gone for a "home on the weekends" kind of thing. Ultimately her reasoning was sound, and I had to accept it. Still hurt like a sonovabitch.

Now I'm dating a girl that's local. Life goes on.

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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2014, 02:26:06 PM »
Here is my advice which I find very hard to follow myself: let it be over. I know right now you're angry and sad and frustrated and confused and scared. But, once you find an apartment you'll start to feel better, tempers will cool, and you'll both probably get nostalgic at some point. The best thing you can do for a break-up is come to terms that it is really and truly over. I have gotten into friends-with-benefits-with-ex with one ex and back-together-break-up-back-together-break-up with my most recent (this last break up just two weeks ago). Looking back now I just don't know why I bothered spending time with people I knew, deep down, were not right for me after we broke up the first time.

The best break-up I had was one where I made the decision to end it, ended it, and stuck to it. That break-up was also great because I realized that I was more sad about not being with anyone than I was about not being with him. So I spent a good 6 months single and really worked on enjoying my own company. I also watched this a lot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7X7sZzSXYs
+1,000,000. This. exactly.

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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2014, 09:25:52 PM »
I think my only advice is not to be in a huge hurry to get into another relationship. Having a "rebound" relationship is really not fair to the other person, as you tend to take out your feelings on someone who is not really the cause of them.
Also...I tend to think that it's better for all of us to spend some time learning to be alone, so that we know ourselves and can later (if we choose to) be part of a couple from a place of wholeness and self-confidence. When I hear, someone say, "I broke up with Jim and was heartbroken, but two weeks later I met Billy and now my life is complete and I AM SO IN LOVE," I think, "Mmmmmm-hmmmm, there is someone who is looking for another person to make them happy. This won't end well."

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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2014, 12:28:23 AM »
*Chimes in*

Been single since breaking up from my only /real/ relationship. Am 23, and have been single for 2 yrs. The real is in slash marks because the part as "boyfriend/girlfriend" was all long distance, with no visits, with about 4 months before that as platonic friends.

I was originally born in China and returned to study abroad in Beijing for a semester when I was 20. Boy was 25, and worked at the gym I frequented. Since it was a small community gym, I grew to know all the regulars, which included all of the employees. Boy studied athletic training in college, and had practiced wushu since he was very young. For some reason or another I've always been enamored with martial arts, so I started going to the small group classes he taught sometimes at the gym.

We gradually realized we shared a lot of interests, and hung out after those classes, with or without other people. We were both environmentalists, and talked a lot about China's pollution concerns. He liked that I liked to run, and asked me about the kinds of races I did. We liked the same sentimental movies, sitting around in nature or with animals, and it was a comfortable friendship, despite the slight language barrier (my Chinese is not native fluency, his English then was nonexistent, but we were always patient with each other and actually checked dictionaries while the other waited).

He was even Chinese Mustachian, to a certain extent. We would be just as content getting together for a free walk around the park and 1 USD sweet tea as working on martial arts techniques in the basement gym.

Eventually, we broke up because the circumstances in our lives didn't look like they'd ever change. He doesn't have any transferrable skills like scientist or engineer to apply to work in the US, I was going for an American JD and those aren't very transferrable to Chinese law (plus my family emigrated out of China, so it would be like a slap in the face to move back for a guy). There is/was no closure, and for good measure I cut all contact with a fervent desire to move on.

Moving on is horribly hard, apparently, because writing this post still makes me somewhat emotional in remembering the friendship we had. Since the romantic relationship was always at a distance I don't miss any of that, but the older I get the more I realize how uncommon it is to find someone who liked so much of the same things I did. I'm lucky if the female friends I keep share even 10-20% of my interests and values these days...

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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2014, 08:35:36 PM »
Conversation with a college friend recently:

Her:  "You could date anyone."
Me: "Nah, I just got dumped frequently. "

It's all in how you look at it...

Best time I ever got dumped was pretty cool.  A lady I was dating had a habit of fixing her about-to-be-dumped fellow up with a friend, then dumping him.

Aside from being very civilized, that's how I met my wife of almost 31 years.

That's my MO. I'm glad it works out for former flames, at least based on the anecdotal evidence.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!