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What is your personality type (quiz below)?

ISTP - Virtuoso
ISFP - Adventurer
ESTP - Entrepreneur
ESFP - Entertainer
INFJ - Advocate
INFP - Mediator
ENFJ - Protagonist
ENFP - Campaigner
ISTJ - Logistician
ISFJ - Defender
ESTJ - Executive
ESFJ - Consul
INTJ - Architect
INTP - Logician
ENTJ - Commander
ENTP - Debater

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I don't take too much weight in personality tests, so this is just for fun. I'm curious if the members here skew differently than the average population.

https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

I also wonder if certain personality types are more likely to click on this poll or take the test...Perhaps rarer personality types would? It's always more interesting and noteworthy to mention your uniqueness versus how you are just one of the average/majority.

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 10:38:04 AM »
INTJ here.  I took the actual Myers-Briggs test last year.  I'd say INTJ describes me pretty well.  Too bad I'm not an ENTJ instead- supposedly those types are disproportionately in leadership positions.

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 10:43:29 AM »
INTJ here.  I took the actual Myers-Briggs test last year.  I'd say INTJ describes me pretty well.  Too bad I'm not an ENTJ instead- supposedly those types are disproportionately in leadership positions.

I am INTJ too, which is (apparently) 0.8% of women. Friendships with other women are hard! I think my dry sense of humor does not vibe too well with most people...

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 11:02:49 AM »
This time I got ISTJ, so that's how I voted, but in the past I usually get INTJ.  Based on the percentages, I'm strongly Introverted, strongly Thinking, strongly Judging, and almost dead center on Intuitive/Observant, so it makes sense that I'd get both taking the test multiple times.

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 11:03:07 AM »
When I first tested (several decades ago) I was an XNTJ, balanced between I and E. Over time I have become more extroverted. But I do get a perfect score on Judgmental. :)

My nephew, who is in a graduate program for psychology, tells me that Myers-Briggs is considered not particularly useful and out of fashion.

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 11:03:21 AM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 11:04:43 AM »
When I first tested (several decades ago) I was an XNTJ, balanced between I and E. Over time I have become more extroverted. But I do get a perfect score on Judgmental. :)

My nephew, who is in a graduate program for psychology, tells me that Myers-Briggs is considered not particularly useful and out of fashion.

It was created by a bored housewife based on a discredited field of psychology.

But it has embraced by industry for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2017, 11:06:21 AM »
When I first tested (several decades ago) I was an XNTJ, balanced between I and E. Over time I have become more extroverted. But I do get a perfect score on Judgmental. :)

My nephew, who is in a graduate program for psychology, tells me that Myers-Briggs is considered not particularly useful and out of fashion.

That is a textbook example of poor test-retest reliability. Personality traits are supposed to be stable. If you get different results over time, then it's likely that the test is unreliable. And if a test is unreliable, it cannot be valid.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2017, 11:06:50 AM »
Whatever stock one puts in the personality test itself ( i have fun with them, personally), I do think its worth noting that in the linked forum post, the introspective types reign supreme. 

Either

a) the introspective types are the only ones interested in the taking the quiz/voting in a personality test discussion

or

b) introspective types are the more likely individuals to consider options outside of the typical retirement path because of constant re-evaluation of life and happiness, or at the very least, and the more likely to desire the forum interaction.....

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2017, 11:08:44 AM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

Chill, OP even said right there that it's just for fun.  I think most of us know that personality tests in general and the Meyers-Briggs in particular are not reliable or useful, but that doesn't mean they can't be fun.

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 11:09:14 AM »
Whatever stock one puts in the personality test itself ( i have fun with them, personally), I do think its worth noting that in the linked forum post, the introspective types reign supreme. 

Either

a) the introspective types are the only ones interested in the taking the quiz/voting in a personality test discussion

or

b) introspective types are the more likely individuals to consider options outside of the typical retirement path because of constant re-evaluation of life and happiness, or at the very least, and the more likely to desire the forum interaction.....

or

c) the invalid test spits out a disproportionate share of people scoring as "introspective" based on it's questions.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2017, 11:14:50 AM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

Chill, OP even said right there that it's just for fun.  I think most of us know that personality tests in general and the Meyers-Briggs in particular are not reliable or useful, but that doesn't mean they can't be fun.

It makes absolutely no sense to say that you don't take something seriously and then say that you want to see if members here skew differently that the population as a whole.

Because, it can't tell you that, because it doesn't tell you anything.

And there are valid personality tests out there that demonstrate good reliability and validity. The Myers-Briggs is not one of them.

I guess this drives me crazy because, working in management consulting, I see businesses and government agencies throw their money away all the time to this completely worthless test. If only people would just ignore it, and quit taking their tests, perhaps they would go away.

Sorry if this seemed like an attack on anyone here. It's not. It's just a soapbox thing with me. I'll leave you all alone now.

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2017, 11:15:57 AM »
...for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom.

They could listen to what those who benefit from it explain to them. Ta da!

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2017, 11:24:41 AM »
ENTJ - I always get that.


There are a TON of INTJ-s here.  Something about early retirement ....


Not many ENTJs , I guess they are out there actually doing stuff instead of hanging out on a forum lol

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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 11:27:52 AM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

Chill, OP even said right there that it's just for fun.  I think most of us know that personality tests in general and the Meyers-Briggs in particular are not reliable or useful, but that doesn't mean they can't be fun.

It makes absolutely no sense to say that you don't take something seriously and then say that you want to see if members here skew differently that the population as a whole.

Because, it can't tell you that, because it doesn't tell you anything.

And there are valid personality tests out there that demonstrate good reliability and validity. The Myers-Briggs is not one of them.

I guess this drives me crazy because, working in management consulting, I see businesses and government agencies throw their money away all the time to this completely worthless test. If only people would just ignore it, and quit taking their tests, perhaps they would go away.

Sorry if this seemed like an attack on anyone here. It's not. It's just a soapbox thing with me. I'll leave you all alone now.

What are some of your recommended personality tests?

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 12:04:38 PM »
xNFP, always falling close to the border on the extraversion/introversion axis with everything else being consistent over time.

For something that's rubbish, it's eerily accurate for me.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 12:04:47 PM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

Chill, OP even said right there that it's just for fun.  I think most of us know that personality tests in general and the Meyers-Briggs in particular are not reliable or useful, but that doesn't mean they can't be fun.

It makes absolutely no sense to say that you don't take something seriously and then say that you want to see if members here skew differently that the population as a whole.

Because, it can't tell you that, because it doesn't tell you anything.

And there are valid personality tests out there that demonstrate good reliability and validity. The Myers-Briggs is not one of them.

I guess this drives me crazy because, working in management consulting, I see businesses and government agencies throw their money away all the time to this completely worthless test. If only people would just ignore it, and quit taking their tests, perhaps they would go away.

Sorry if this seemed like an attack on anyone here. It's not. It's just a soapbox thing with me. I'll leave you all alone now.

What are some of your recommended personality tests?

There's the NEO-PI, Hogan Inventory, and CPI off the top of my head. All have been well scrutinized and have a large amount of empirical support for their validity, with numerous published studies across decades. The problem is, they're not something that you could just take and wouldn't see on an online website, being largely locked away in academia rather than more broadly used or known. Although Hogan's is used more in industry.

Again, I'm really sorry if my tirades seemed like an attack. There's no way laypeople could possibly know the story with Myers-Briggs. And given how often it gets used and the whole industry that's grown up around it, I'm sure it would seem like it's more than the smoke and mirrors it is.

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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 12:09:05 PM »
xNFP, always falling close to the border on the extraversion/introversion axis with everything else being consistent over time.

For something that's rubbish, it's eerily accurate for me.

I've told this story before on MMM, but here it is again. I was in an intro psych class where the teacher administered a short version of the Myers'-Briggs to everyone in the class. The next day in class the TA's handed out everyone's test results. She asked, did your results accurately describe your personality? Everyone raised their hands.

She then asked someone to read their Myers-Brigss description. The punchline? Everyone realized that she gave them all the exact same description.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 12:17:34 PM »
ENTJ - I always get that.


There are a TON of INTJ-s here.  Something about early retirement ....


Not many ENTJs , I guess they are out there actually doing stuff instead of hanging out on a forum lol


INTJ/INFJ/INTP seem to be dominant in practically every single online community that I have ever been part of it. I don't think it'd be anything specific to FIRE. More that those types of people just gravitate to online communities.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 12:17:48 PM »
INTJ here.  I guess MMM is helping me Architect my future :) 

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 12:22:14 PM »
xNFP, always falling close to the border on the extraversion/introversion axis with everything else being consistent over time.

For something that's rubbish, it's eerily accurate for me.

I've told this story before on MMM, but here it is again. I was in an intro psych class where the teacher administered a short version of the Myers'-Briggs to everyone in the class. The next day in class the TA's handed out everyone's test results. She asked, did your results accurately describe your personality? Everyone raised their hands.

She then asked someone to read their Myers-Brigss description. The punchline? Everyone realized that she gave them all the exact same description.

I wondered if it would be a little bit like horoscopes, and went through all the personality descriptions to see if they all sounded like me, but although several of them have one or two characteristics that I'd like to believe I have but know that I don't have, some of them have me thinking, "THAT could explain why I really can't get my head round why THAT person does things and makes decisions in THAT way."

I've never been screened for work using formal personality testing, thank goodness! I wouldn't give myself a job in my line of work based on the MBPI, yet I've been doing what I do to a more than adequate standard for 25 years.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 12:28:47 PM »
I'm a ENTJ, especially in a work situation.......but I wouldn't have me down as a hardcore extrovert or anything.

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 12:41:26 PM »
I'm entx I get j or p about every other time I take this.

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 01:21:29 PM »
Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.

Chill, OP even said right there that it's just for fun.  I think most of us know that personality tests in general and the Meyers-Briggs in particular are not reliable or useful, but that doesn't mean they can't be fun.

It makes absolutely no sense to say that you don't take something seriously and then say that you want to see if members here skew differently that the population as a whole.

Because, it can't tell you that, because it doesn't tell you anything.

And there are valid personality tests out there that demonstrate good reliability and validity. The Myers-Briggs is not one of them.

I guess this drives me crazy because, working in management consulting, I see businesses and government agencies throw their money away all the time to this completely worthless test. If only people would just ignore it, and quit taking their tests, perhaps they would go away.

Sorry if this seemed like an attack on anyone here. It's not. It's just a soapbox thing with me. I'll leave you all alone now.

What are some of your recommended personality tests?

There's the NEO-PI, Hogan Inventory, and CPI off the top of my head. All have been well scrutinized and have a large amount of empirical support for their validity, with numerous published studies across decades. The problem is, they're not something that you could just take and wouldn't see on an online website, being largely locked away in academia rather than more broadly used or known. Although Hogan's is used more in industry.

Again, I'm really sorry if my tirades seemed like an attack. There's no way laypeople could possibly know the story with Myers-Briggs. And given how often it gets used and the whole industry that's grown up around it, I'm sure it would seem like it's more than the smoke and mirrors it is.

I much prefer likert type items for personality than T/F like Hogan, but Hogan is big at our company.

Many experts are exploring IRT methods that can provide an ideal point model of measurement as compared to the traditional dominance models in research. Stark, Drasgow, and Chernyshenko produced an ideal point IRT based personality measure for the military, but they were not allowed to publish the scale last time I heard them give a talk.

I have come to accept MBTI as good for one thing. A way for people to articulate the fact that people can receive and perceive inputs/outputs from the world differently despite seeing the same thing, but the evidence for its validity and even its reliability is very weak as a measure of personality. My biggest concern with it is its forced dichotomy. Traits are on a spectrum they aren't binary.

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 01:48:39 PM »
Where did you get those definitions from?  they are not the MBTI ones...

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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2017, 01:50:11 PM »
I am INTJ too, which is (apparently) 0.8% of women. Friendships with other women are hard! I think my dry sense of humor does not vibe too well with most people...
Yeah, I'm the same.  I think my students often wish I were a little more lax on the logical side and heavier on the emotional side 'cause I don't let them slide on deadlines, etc.

Once again, the Myers-Briggs is bullshit. There is no empirical evidence to support its reliability or validity.

It doesn't matter what it says you are.
I think there's some truth to it. 

I've always understood how my oldest child thinks -- even when I've not liked it, I've understood it.  She and I share 3 of the 4 traits.  My youngest daughter took it and 3 of her 4 personality traits are opposite of mine -- reading about MB helped me understand how she thinks, and it helped me provide her some guidance that she needed in getting into the right college major.

That is a textbook example of poor test-retest reliability. Personality traits are supposed to be stable. If you get different results over time, then it's likely that the test is unreliable. And if a test is unreliable, it cannot be valid.
I first took it in college, and I was labeled an INTJ.  I took it again early in my career.  INTJ.  I've taken it at least ten times over my lifetime.  INTJ.  I have become less "I" and am really pretty close to the mid-point on that, but I have never scored anything except INTJ. 

Typical?  I have no idea. 

There are a TON of INTJ-s here.  Something about early retirement ....
Yeah, well, long-term planners and thinkers.  People who aren't overly emotional and who can keep a focused eye on the goal.  No surprise. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2017, 02:02:01 PM »


It was created by a bored housewife ....

T-H  obviously you are very passionate about your disgust for the MBTI, as a surprising number of your total posts are specifically in response to this topic over the years.  I won't comment this time on your other points, because there is no point with your vehemence and unmovable opinion.

I will say that the above phrasing is quite obnoxious and derivative,  especially when you think about the context for women and work (and ability to get degrees) that existed in the decade that this indicator was first conceived and trialed. Please use another description.

Crap,  how many persons without an official or advanced degree, or allowed to work in their field of study, have been the silent partner behind a major scientific discovery or historical research paper in the last 100 years?

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2017, 04:13:52 PM »
ENTJ - I always get that.


There are a TON of INTJ-s here.  Something about early retirement ....


Not many ENTJs , I guess they are out there actually doing stuff instead of hanging out on a forum lol

Actually, I am an ENTJ bored housewife! And I placed into Gryffindor, too! I feel a little underperforming now because I'm not out doing stuff. Does bossing 7 kids around (babysitting 4 extra kids because no school during the Jewish holiday) count as befitting my Commander status?

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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2017, 05:56:25 PM »
I am always INFJ now, but used to be INTJ before having kids. I have found that it is very accurate for me, but my husband's results were wildly inaccurate for him, so we take it with a fair grain of salt.

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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 06:22:19 PM »
INTP-T (new twist on it, eh?).  I fall pretty consistently there, but occasionally venture to the INFP  territory. I  wouldn't completely disregard this test--it measures somethings, we just don't know exactly what!  So much of early psychological theory was just based on gut feeling and personal observations.  Having obtained a BS in the  subject,  I tend to take any assertion/theory with a grain of salt.

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 06:55:09 PM »
What personality type am I if I think Myers Briggs is just a bullsh!t money making scheme?

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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 06:56:19 PM »
ENTJ - I always get that.


There are a TON of INTJ-s here.  Something about early retirement ....


Not many ENTJs , I guess they are out there actually doing stuff instead of hanging out on a forum lol

Actually, I am an ENTJ bored housewife! And I placed into Gryffindor, too! I feel a little underperforming now because I'm not out doing stuff. Does bossing 7 kids around (babysitting 4 extra kids because no school during the Jewish holiday) count as befitting my Commander status?

ENFJ here and placed into Ravenclaw!  I bow to your greatness! 7 kids on school holidays looks like my house too!

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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 07:20:35 PM »
T-H  obviously you are very passionate about your disgust for the MBTI, as a surprising number of your total posts are specifically in response to this topic over the years.  I won't comment this time on your other points, because there is no point with your vehemence and unmovable opinion.

It's not my opinion. It's decades or research. I'll happily change my tune if anyone can provide evidence for the validity of the MBTI. I'm not basing this on anecdotes or how it feels to me. But please, don't take my word for it, look it up.

Now, if you find it to be fun, then hey, no harm. Just don't make any life decisions based on it.

As for the "bored housewife" quip. Point well taken. Advances can and sometimes do come from outside the mainstream, although less often in the academic world. But, her lack of formal training shouldn't matter. Nor does the fact that it was based on discredited field of Jungian psychology. The only thing that matters is the evidence, and there's no evidence for it's validity.

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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 08:14:58 PM »
I am borderline INTJ/INFP. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 09:29:27 PM »
T-H  obviously you are very passionate about your disgust for the MBTI, as a surprising number of your total posts are specifically in response to this topic over the years.  I won't comment this time on your other points, because there is no point with your vehemence and unmovable opinion.

It's not my opinion. It's decades or research. I'll happily change my tune if anyone can provide evidence for the validity of the MBTI. I'm not basing this on anecdotes or how it feels to me. But please, don't take my word for it, look it up.

Now, if you find it to be fun, then hey, no harm. Just don't make any life decisions based on it.

As for the "bored housewife" quip. Point well taken. Advances can and sometimes do come from outside the mainstream, although less often in the academic world. But, her lack of formal training shouldn't matter. Nor does the fact that it was based on discredited field of Jungian psychology. The only thing that matters is the evidence, and there's no evidence for it's validity.

That's very INTP type thinking!  Haha.

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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 11:12:42 PM »
I love the Meyers-Briggs! It's a fun tool to get you thinking. And, actually, I have a master's degree in psychology, so I know that it's not based on hard-core empirical research; it's a personality theory. It gets people thinking, provides material for discussion, and gives a helpful framework for understanding oneself and others. So, we can all just have fun with it, or leave it!

I scored as INTJ repeatedly but in recent years I've realized that the detailed INFJ descriptions are much truer for my true self. I do think very logically, and I'm not an overly effusive/feely/gushy person, but I am very in tune with what other people are feeling.

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2017, 01:42:15 AM »
ISTP- A, apparently.  I've never tried a Meyers-Briggs test before but the descriptions seem pretty accurate.


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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2017, 03:07:09 AM »
I've taken the full test twice, many years apart, and both times my results in all 4 categories were in the "to close to call" range.  I guess that makes me an XXXX?


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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2017, 04:16:16 AM »
I've taken the full test twice, many years apart, and both times my results in all 4 categories were in the "to close to call" range.  I guess that makes me an XXXX?

Those results don't mean anything about you.  They mean that the test is complete bullshit.

Tetsuya Hondo - looks like it's you and me against the world again. ;)  I can't believe how many people on a forum that supposedly is populated by skeptical, analytical types buy this stuff without paying any attention to the actual evidence.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2017, 06:03:58 AM »
I've taken the full test twice, many years apart, and both times my results in all 4 categories were in the "to close to call" range.  I guess that makes me an XXXX?

Those results don't mean anything about you.  They mean that the test is complete bullshit.

Tetsuya Hondo - looks like it's you and me against the world again. ;)  I can't believe how many people on a forum that supposedly is populated by skeptical, analytical types buy this stuff without paying any attention to the actual evidence.

This is pretty strong vehemence for a tool and while there are clearly more accurate measurement techniques for personality based on mathematical models (The big 5) we still don't k is a lot about personality. I also often don't think people understand what validity means. Validity isn't a trait of a measurement tool.

If you are truly interested in psychometrics I would strongly suggest a book by Denny Borsboom titled Measuring the Mind: Contemporary Issues in Psychometrics.

And speaking of our lack of understanding of personality he also has a great paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/per.1866/asset/per1866.pdf?v=1&t=j7vu2x83&s=286774cd37313c7636826555fa4953b681729734&systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+7th+Oct+from+03.00+EDT+%2F+08%3A00+BST+%2F+12%3A30+IST+%2F+15.00+SGT+to+08.00+EDT+%2F+13.00+BST+%2F+17%3A30+IST+%2F+20.00+SGT+and+Sunday+8th+Oct+from+03.00+EDT+%2F+08%3A00+BST+%2F+12%3A30+IST+%2F+15.00+SGT+to+06.00+EDT+%2F+11.00+BST+%2F+15%3A30+IST+%2F+18.00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.+Apologies+for+the+inconvenience+caused+.


My point is even though we typically rely on the big 5 there are still mathematical concerns with that model. My main concern is that we are making individual level attributions based on cross-sectional mathematics. The issue is many of the researchers in our field just don't have the mathematical background to understand it conceptually (at least I'm hoping it's that and not that they brush this concern under the rug).

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2017, 06:58:13 AM »
I've taken the full test twice, many years apart, and both times my results in all 4 categories were in the "to close to call" range.  I guess that makes me an XXXX?

Those results don't mean anything about you.  They mean that the test is complete bullshit.

Tetsuya Hondo - looks like it's you and me against the world again. ;)  I can't believe how many people on a forum that supposedly is populated by skeptical, analytical types buy this stuff without paying any attention to the actual evidence.

This is pretty strong vehemence for a tool and while there are clearly more accurate measurement techniques for personality based on mathematical models (The big 5) we still don't k is a lot about personality. I also often don't think people understand what validity means. Validity isn't a trait of a measurement tool.

If you are truly interested in psychometrics I would strongly suggest a book by Denny Borsboom titled Measuring the Mind: Contemporary Issues in Psychometrics.

And speaking of our lack of understanding of personality he also has a great paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/per.1866/asset/per1866.pdf?v=1&t=j7vu2x83&s=286774cd37313c7636826555fa4953b681729734&systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+7th+Oct+from+03.00+EDT+%2F+08%3A00+BST+%2F+12%3A30+IST+%2F+15.00+SGT+to+08.00+EDT+%2F+13.00+BST+%2F+17%3A30+IST+%2F+20.00+SGT+and+Sunday+8th+Oct+from+03.00+EDT+%2F+08%3A00+BST+%2F+12%3A30+IST+%2F+15.00+SGT+to+06.00+EDT+%2F+11.00+BST+%2F+15%3A30+IST+%2F+18.00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.+Apologies+for+the+inconvenience+caused+.


My point is even though we typically rely on the big 5 there are still mathematical concerns with that model. My main concern is that we are making individual level attributions based on cross-sectional mathematics. The issue is many of the researchers in our field just don't have the mathematical background to understand it conceptually (at least I'm hoping it's that and not that they brush this concern under the rug).

O.K., all of that may be true, but what does that have to do with the usefulness (or lack thereof) of Myers-Briggs?

I guess my "vehemence" stems from the fact that I can't stand it when people dredge up pseudo-scientific bullshit and then try to make decisions of consequence for themselves and others based on it (Myers-Briggs, climate change denial, intelligent design, trickle-down economics, etc., etc.).

I don't have a background in psychology, and I don't pretend to know which, if any, personality assessments produce useful results, so I guess my mind remains open to whether the big 5 (which I know nothing about) can tell a person anything useful about his/her personality.  But anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can spend 10 minutes looking up the plain and simple information that de-bunks Myers-Briggs and other pseudoscientific drivel.  Why any thinking person would continue to buy into that stuff is beyond me.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2017, 07:04:42 AM »
I've always scored intj, used to be close to center between E and i, but now Def i.
Also my career is/was architect.
My DH is istj.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2017, 07:04:55 AM »
I've taken the full test twice, many years apart, and both times my results in all 4 categories were in the "to close to call" range.  I guess that makes me an XXXX?

Those results don't mean anything about you.  They mean that the test is complete bullshit.

Tetsuya Hondo - looks like it's you and me against the world again. ;)  I can't believe how many people on a forum that supposedly is populated by skeptical, analytical types buy this stuff without paying any attention to the actual evidence.
I'm on board with you guys, except that your claims are too strong and y'all sorta being dicks about it. Some of the MBTI results correlate to the Big 5 which are the best model we have.

The over-representation of types like INTJ and INFJ in online communities isn't, AFAICT, an artifact of the test over-representing those types in general (which was asserted on the prior page). This is one of those tests that freshman year psyc classes and high school science classes forced us to take, and I don't remember these types being typical at all. They were absolutely typical of the exactly the crowd you'd expect to play D&D and hang out on the internet.

That's almost definitely not a coincidence.

I think you'll find a lot of consistency of results on this forum. A prior poster said they always tested as INTJ. I've been testing the same INTJ since (probably) 14.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2017, 07:09:47 AM »
O.K., all of that may be true, but what does that have to do with the usefulness (or lack thereof) of Myers-Briggs?

I guess my "vehemence" stems from the fact that I can't stand it when people dredge up pseudo-scientific bullshit and then try to make decisions of consequence for themselves and others based on it (Myers-Briggs, climate change denial, intelligent design, trickle-down economics, etc., etc.).


No one here is making decisions of consequence based on this.  In fact, I doubt anyone is making decisions of any kind at all based on their test results.  It's been stated repeatedly that it's just for fun.  It's just an interesting thing to think about.  No one is arguing you should make decisions based on it.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2017, 08:51:33 AM »
"ISTJ-T" here. Bullshit test or not, it seems to actually describe me and my views fairly correctly.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2017, 09:34:31 AM »
ISTJ-T to a fault. Both unfortunately and fortunately. I work in a creative field and I sometimes (often) come off as inflexible. So it's something I actively work on.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2017, 09:39:34 AM »
O.K., all of that may be true, but what does that have to do with the usefulness (or lack thereof) of Myers-Briggs?

I think asking people what they find useful in it would be the fastest route to finding out what they find useful in it. Blasting people will bring up some indirect responses, but there's a more mellow, efficient path to learning.

I remain concerned for the chronically perplexed psychologists mentioned earlier in the thread. Why is it so difficult for them to just ask (and then listen)? It reminds me of all the "experts" who thought they knew why people who cut themselves cut, until they finally listened, or what autism was, until ditto.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2017, 10:07:31 AM »
ISTJ-A, strongly and consistently :-)  The description of this personality type fits me almost perfectly.

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Re: What is your Myers–Briggs personality type? (16 personality quiz)
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2017, 10:24:30 AM »
First, thanks, Goldielocks, for saying what I wanted to.

Second, this encapsulates it for me: "I have come to accept MBTI as good for one thing. A way for people to articulate the fact that people can receive and perceive inputs/outputs from the world differently despite seeing the same thing"

I don't know -- or care -- whether the test accurately captures some objective definition of personality.  But it absolutely helped me figure out how I thought/processed/spoke relative to other people I worked with.

I test out as INTP -- in HS, I was INFP; after law school, the F changed to a T and has stayed that way forever.  Most particularly, I am an off-the-charts "N," which in this test says that I care what something means more than the details of what it is.  I am also a strong "P," which again in the test terminology means that I don't do too well with too much structure and planning and in fact tend to start to get the heebie-jeebies if things are too planned out.

I am also a lawyer.  So you can see how my particular personality traits -- extremely good at the big picture, can frequently see answers others can't, not so awesome at the details of how to get there -- would not necessarily mesh well with other lawyers.  Like, say, the bosses who expected me to walk them through every. minor. step. of my thought process and research before they could understand the answer.

I knew those differences existed; I mean, come on, I'm smart, I could figure out that I didn't click with various partners, but I just couldn't figure out why, what I was doing wrong.  When we did the MBTI, it allowed me to put a name on it, to understand why -- oooooh, he's a strong S, he builds his way to the answer brick by brick, so if I want him to understand me, I need to re-frame how I present things.  And -- most critically -- I could then extrapolate from my experience with one specific S to the *other* strong Ss in the office -- before I fucked myself over by defaulting to my preferred style.* 

In short, I don't know if "S" or "N" or whatever has any relevance in the field of modern psychology.  And I really don't give a fuck one way or the other; all I know is that it sure as shit helped me in the world of work, because it gave me a way to identify points of conflict in advance and adjust my work style to something that my coworkers/bosses could grasp more easily.  The N/S difference is the clearest one to me, because I am extremely strong on the N (30 of 30 in the version my office did), which means I am very strongly anchored in my way of thinking about things, and so the differences tend to be more stark.  But the same holds true to some degree with the other indicators -- they have all been very useful to help me figure out how others around me work (e.g., strong J = ok, need to overcome my loathing of tight schedules and come up with a good one so he's comfortable I'm on track).

*The testing also confirmed that most lawyers -- and law firms -- are not N/Ps, but the firm I ended up staying with was disproportionately in that category.  Which also seemed to explain why I had always felt I "fit" there better than any other place I worked.