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What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« on: March 01, 2019, 05:47:54 PM »
Curious to know what careers/ jobs / business people on this forum have or have had if you don't mind sharing. And whether or not you still think its a good career choice now with automation/ outsourcing. I'm at a career crossroads and looking for a new one, but most options don't seem very good these days.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 05:55:53 PM »
neuropharmacologist. Yes, I would still recommend it, for those interested. While this career track is under pressure, automation does not appear to be an imminent threat. Robots help us do our job, but by no means are capable of replacing our jobs at this juncture. Pharmacology, not to be confused with pharmacy, is the scientific, hypothesis-driven, investigation of how drugs interact with the body to produce particular effects. This career is subject to outsourcing pressures, but global industry contraction seems to be the more imminent threat. Still plenty of room for folks to help discover and develop life saving treatments for degenerative, debilitating diseases and/or disorders.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 06:14:49 PM »
Software Engineer. I recommend it if writing code, and particularly debugging code is fun to you. If you hate debugging code then working as a full time software engineer will be slightly more pleasant than performing your own root canal on a daily basis.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2019, 06:39:02 PM »
Social worker.

Pretty much immune to automation and outsourcing and I would recommend with the following caveats:
- you need some life experience and some knowledge of disadvantage (not necessarily personally) to know whether it's for you
- depending on the area it's not especially well paid
- expect that at some point you may feel burnt out and want to do something else.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 02:41:20 PM »
Mortgage Underwriter:

Would I recommend it? Yes, however it does have some downsides.

Pros:
1. Does not require a college degree. Having a degree helps but about half of my coworkers did not have one. If you do not have one, most common path is to start out as a mortgage/loan processor and work your way up. This can take a few years.
2. Pay is pretty good plus incentives. *If you see a place paying either salary or commission for a UW position, avoid it like the plague.
3. Many companies allow work from home.
4. Teaches you alot about finances/credit/home buying which can be useful if you want to become a landlord.

Cons:
1. Market is very cyclical. I was only laid off once but I survived over a dozen layoffs in as many years.
2. Like the market, the extra pay can be very cyclical. I have gone from averaging 15 hrs ot a week to none in a very short time. If you come to rely on the extra pay, you will end up in a rough way.
3. Stressful- A home is the biggest purchase most people ever make so nerves can get frayed and people can get pretty nasty. Your sales people and realtors are commissioned so they don't get paid if the loan does not close so they will push you to approve it, if you are not comfortable holding your ground and pushing back, this is not the job for you.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 03:05:29 PM »
I used to be a Research and Development Lab Technician for a food company. I started as a temp and eventually became full time. I started in the trenches and learned to run all kinds of equipment. I later worked with the scientists and did bench work which included shelf life studies. I traveled all over the united States and once internationally. The job was interesting and paid extremely well with all the bells and whistles. We were treated like gold. Unfortunately, I did not have a 4 year degree so that limited my potential to progress. I did manage to get two promotions. The next promotion would have been a salaried position.

Pro's
Usually 8-5 hours, no weekends typically
Very good benefits, pay
Very good vacation time
Interesting work
Typically good people to work with, some a bit eccentric

Con's
Can be physical lifting heavy ingredient bags
Sometimes more work than you can handle
Travel can be a con if you have children
Always learning new equipment and methods can be exhausting

I loved my job but company closed in my state so I was laid off after 18 years. A 4 year degree would have been a giant stepping stone for me. My math skills were marginal and they used algebra which I never learned in school so that was another promotion killer.

I never knew such jobs existed till I worked for this company and I would highly suggest this line of work.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2019, 03:52:36 PM »
Network Security/Network Engineering.

Would I recommend it? For the right person, absolutely. It's not something everyone is fit for, there is definitely a 'type' that matches the career. But our world is increasingly connected and someone has to make those connections and make them secure. It's 1000% certain that the way we do things will morph over the years, but it likely won't go away any time soon. The pay is really good, the stress is manageable if again you're the right type. Often remote work is available and there is an advancement path on up to executive levels or reasonably quick FIRE if you're into that. ;)

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2019, 04:15:30 PM »
Another plus is that I met people all over the USA and around the world! We had visitors to our facility all the time from everywhere. We had interns for the summer. We had some people who came to work with us from other facilities and stay for a year or two. I went to work in a few of our factories when we had a new product launch to shake down the machinery and acquaint the machine operators and QC on what to measure and look for. We would work right along side of the factory people to help them become familiar with the product and what to expect. It was a lot of fun!

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2019, 04:24:05 PM »
Software Engineer

Pros: pays well and can be enormously fun if you enjoy that kind if work (problem solving, learning complex systems, etc.)

Cons: almost no one can comprehend what the job is, so you rarely have people (stakeholders, management, etc) making sane decisions about requirements and timetables. That's highly stressful.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2019, 04:44:23 PM »
Teacher.

While it has been a great job for me I would not recommend it to others unless they have a true passion for education.  I'm at year 29 and will probably work 5-6 more years.  I still love coming to school everyday and know that what I do makes a true and lasting difference for my students.  The only way I am making it is that I've got enough experience and skills under my belt that I can handle all of the changes and pressures that are increasing every year.   

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2019, 06:04:11 PM »
Receptionist.

I think it's got a little way to go yet before automation takes over, particularly in fields like mine (bankruptcy) where people REALLY want to talk to a real person. I would probably still recommend it for people starting out now, if they were shooting for FIRE in 15 years or less. I could see it being gone entirely within 20 years.

The obvious caveat being that if you want to FIRE in your 30s as a receptionist, you must absolutely 100% get your shit together in every other aspect of things. None of this "Doo do doo I guess I just won't bother learning basic adult skills like cooking" business.

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2019, 06:06:00 PM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2019, 06:22:12 PM »
I'm a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA). The field has many applications but the most common is behavioral therapy for children with developmental disabilities (which is now considered medical and funded by private insurance and medicaid). Organizational Behavior Management (OBM) is also becoming popular and focuses on employee retention and systems to motivate staff productivity. Animal training is also applicable.

Back when I became a BCBA, I had a masters in general psychology (useless). I took a certificate program (5 classes= 1 year) to complete the coursework portion of the credential and then 1000 hours fieldwork + exam. With just a small investment, my income jumped from pretty much being qualified to work at Starbucks to $125 an hour. Back then (10 years ago)  there was a massive shortage in BCBAs all over the country and with the increase in autism diagnoses, there continues to be a shortage today. I was also told this credential would be useless--but today, many states recognize it now as a equivalent to licensure and it is definitly not a useless certification.

I started working as a Consultant 9 years ago and gradually developed it into a business consisting of 9 FT employees and $500k in annual revenue. It is still a great career path for the most part. The science is incredibly interesting and can be applied to pretty much any industry, but the only real funding is for medical treatment of autism so many become stuck in this field where the burn-out rate is incredibly high and working with insurance is not fun.

And while there are many BCBA's worldwide they are most highly concentrated in the US, so I expect there will be plenty of international opportunities as well in the future (there is currently a big focus on the Middle East where some well-established companies expanded to Abu Dhabi) and there is also the option for telehealth as well to be able to work from home.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2019, 06:25:17 PM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technolgoy fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

100% placement rate sounds extremely good! Though I've never heard of this job and doing a search didn't turn up much? Does it go by other names?

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2019, 06:27:40 PM »
Software Engineer. I recommend it if writing code, and particularly debugging code is fun to you. If you hate debugging code then working as a full time software engineer will be slightly more pleasant than performing your own root canal on a daily basis.
I second this. Keeping in mind it can take some legwork to find a work culture you jive with.

I love the work that's in my job description. The politics, the expectation to do leadership when you just want to sit in your office and write code, and the incessant meetings can be hard if you don't thrive on that.

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2019, 04:45:27 AM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technolgoy fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

100% placement rate sounds extremely good! Though I've never heard of this job and doing a search didn't turn up much? Does it go by other names?

Technical writer, science writer, business writer. I gradually moved into business analysis and program management but the ability to communicate technical information well is a highly transferrable skill. If writing with words interests you more than writing in code this is a good choice.

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2019, 06:41:57 AM »
Software Developer.  If you like problem solving and puzzles, I would definitely recommend.  Find a group of other devs you work well with and it is that much better.

One con that seems to be widespread no matter which company you'd work for: prioritizing distractions.  It has been proven that programmers need a set amount of time to get "in the zone" (yes, there is a sweet spot where you are totally focused on the problem and can fly though it).  There is nothing worse than being in the zone working through a problem when someone interrupts you with something that could have waited until later.  Then you need to go back and figure out where you were again...human context switching hurts developer output work way more than our culture realizes.  Learn to set the phone on DND.

I'm not doing much programming anymore as I've moved into a more team lead role and systems work.  But I do get to code every now and again and still enjoy it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2019, 07:31:54 AM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

I was not educated in Technical Writing but my company was behind on many, many reports. Part of my job had slowed down so my boss indoctrinated me to do some Technical writing. I cringed in the beginning because he critiqued everything I wrote and made many corrections. However, after I got into the groove and knew my bosses style, I picked up on it and we made a great team! I LOVED technical writing and that would be another avenue I would pursue if I were to start a new career. Since I had worked in a scientific setting (food R&D and medical device R&D) I understood how things were done. I did have to consult with the engineers who did the experiments to study their methods and findings. The problem was that they were designing the experiments and a lot of the time performing the experiments too. They didn't have enough  technicians to do the work. So the reports fell through the cracks. The shtf when the company paying for these experiments wanted to see what progress this medical device company was making. They had no reports to back up the work they were doing and the money they were spending. For me, technical writing would be high on my list of career choices. Not everyone is cut out for report writing. Some of the engineers I worked with were really not good report writers at all. Most people I worked with hated the documentation process but I loved it. It is hard to technical write for someone else's work. Of course, I would always have to bring my work back to the engineer for him/her to read and critique for errors.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2019, 08:10:21 AM »
Teacher.

While it has been a great job for me I would not recommend it to others unless they have a true passion for education.  I'm at year 29 and will probably work 5-6 more years.  I still love coming to school everyday and know that what I do makes a true and lasting difference for my students.  The only way I am making it is that I've got enough experience and skills under my belt that I can handle all of the changes and pressures that are increasing every year.

I agree. I think that it also matters where you teach. I'm at year 14 & I teach in a LCOL relatively high tax state that, for now, really supports its schools. I also maxed out on the payscale due to education. The forecast for teaching is partly why I'm not using my doctoral degree to teach in higher education.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2019, 08:26:39 AM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

It amazes me when I buy something that needs assembly and how horrid the instructions are. Especially when the product is produced in China and they have tried to convert terrible Chinese instructions into even worse English instructions. I have written Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for small devices and it really isn't that hard to think logically.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2019, 08:38:17 AM »
Software engineer.

If you like problem solving and writing code, then this job is awesome.  For the first 2-5 years.  After that point you'll probably be promoted to a managementish position of some sort and all the stuff you previously liked about the job kinda goes away under a pile of resource management, planning, and meetings . . . which is just as well, because technology changes and it's a lot of work to constantly re-learn new technologies and frameworks to stay hireable as solely a developer.

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2019, 08:53:36 AM »
I fly unmanned aircraft.

pros: up to $200k/yr (YMMV), great health insurance, travel, adventure
cons: high stress environment (incoming mortars and base attacks), military food, groundhog day syndrome, high likeliness of burnout

I'd recommend it for young, single folks who don't have many ties at home. If you make the most of it, you can be on the fast track to FI.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2019, 08:57:46 AM »
I also wanted to say that I have never worked in the Trades but my husband is a tradesman and a licensed HVAC Technician with a Contractor's license. The trades have been overlooked for quite a while and none of them are going to go away in the near future. HVAC, electrical, plumbing, welding, certified car mechanic, certified aircraft mechanic. Here is a list of more trades: https://www.trade-schools.net/articles/trade-school-jobs.asp

A lot of these trades can be learned on the job. Some might require a year at a technical school. A person can start making money quickly rather than paying back huge college loans for 20 years.

One trade that not sure I would recommend is hairdressing. Almost every hairdresser I have met only works part time because they don't have enough clientele and the cost of beauty school varies from area to area. Perhaps if you work in NYC or another big city, you might make a lot of money.

Another trade that isn't on the list is dog groomer. If you can get regular dog grooming gigs, you can make some decent money if you own your own business.

I know a guy who went to college and received a business degree. He was successful for about 10 years with a 6 figure income. Then he went to get his MBA. After he received the MBA he thought he was going to fly to the moon with a better job and more money. He abruptly quit his 6 figure income job, flopped around at different companies. He finally settled down into a mediocre job for about 5 years. For some reason he either quit or was fired and he has been trying to find himself. He is pursuing a totally different career option that pays very little, the commute is very, very long and the hours are the worst ever for a familly.

The money he invested into his education is outrageous and now he is going in a direction of a job he could have gotten right out of high school. UGH! Personally, if I coudn't find the 'it' job I would just stay in the job that paid the 6 figure income and suck it up. I am sure he could find something better but he is going thru a mid life crisis I guess.


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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2019, 09:03:41 AM »
Electric/Controls Engineer

For folks who enjoy active work, I wouldn't recommend it at all. Some folks love it, others hate it. I loved it at first, but the last few years I felt so burned out and yearned for something more. The problem is likely part of my personality as I struggle to settle into mundane rolls for long periods of time. I like learning new things and changing things up. I can't complain because I made good money and it helped me reach early retirement.

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2019, 10:36:20 AM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

It amazes me when I buy something that needs assembly and how horrid the instructions are. Especially when the product is produced in China and they have tried to convert terrible Chinese instructions into even worse English instructions. I have written Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for small devices and it really isn't that hard to think logically.

So many of the IT people in my company are highly intelligent and decent communicators but English is their second language so they struggle and really appreciate the help. Also IT people and Business people have a different "dialect" and culture, they appreciate having an ambassador/translator. I've always enjoyed the relationship side of technical communication most, just helping people understand each other.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2019, 10:41:06 AM »

I was not educated in Technical Writing but my company was behind on many, many reports. Part of my job had slowed down so my boss indoctrinated me to do some Technical writing. I cringed in the beginning because he critiqued everything I wrote and made many corrections. However, after I got into the groove and knew my bosses style, I picked up on it and we made a great team! I LOVED technical writing and that would be another avenue I would pursue if I were to start a new career. Since I had worked in a scientific setting (food R&D and medical device R&D) I understood how things were done. I did have to consult with the engineers who did the experiments to study their methods and findings. The problem was that they were designing the experiments and a lot of the time performing the experiments too. They didn't have enough  technicians to do the work. So the reports fell through the cracks. The shtf when the company paying for these experiments wanted to see what progress this medical device company was making. They had no reports to back up the work they were doing and the money they were spending. For me, technical writing would be high on my list of career choices. Not everyone is cut out for report writing. Some of the engineers I worked with were really not good report writers at all. Most people I worked with hated the documentation process but I loved it. It is hard to technical write for someone else's work. Of course, I would always have to bring my work back to the engineer for him/her to read and critique for errors.

I've never worried about finding a job, it seems people are always looking for someone who can keep up with documentation and many people dread that side of their work. I've always been happy with the pay as well, if you are willing to get into management you can do extremely well.

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2019, 11:13:19 AM »
Automation/Controls Systems Engineer
I would recommend it overall. Work is varied and interesting. As with any engineering job you have to find the right spot to avoid being over worked but if you do that then it’s a good gig.
Unlikely to lose my job to automation.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2019, 11:29:59 AM »
A cross between actuary and software engineer.  I am building life insurance cash flow models in actuarial software.

I’ve got a main degree in chemical engineering, and another degree in actuarial sciences.
I’d surely recommend it since at least in Belgium this is a niche job quite searched after. Apparently there are not a lot of actuaries who like to code, and not a lot of programmers who are familiar with actuarial sciences.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2019, 11:52:00 AM »
Academic. I would recommend it but only if you really love your subject and love research. It's a long slog though, I'm still not in a permanent position, which makes FIRE tricky (but not impossible) to plan.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2019, 12:31:15 PM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

It amazes me when I buy something that needs assembly and how horrid the instructions are. Especially when the product is produced in China and they have tried to convert terrible Chinese instructions into even worse English instructions. I have written Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for small devices and it really isn't that hard to think logically.

So many of the IT people in my company are highly intelligent and decent communicators but English is their second language so they struggle and really appreciate the help. Also IT people and Business people have a different "dialect" and culture, they appreciate having an ambassador/translator. I've always enjoyed the relationship side of technical communication most, just helping people understand each other.

Sometimes, I don't think an engineer should write the assembly instructions for a simple consumer product. They get way too technical and leave out needed details because they know the product too well and just can't put themselves into the consumers shoes. They almost need to have a regular joe write the instructions as they assemble the product, step by step, and take the needed photos to correspond with the instruction.

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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2019, 12:33:01 PM »
Civil Engineer

Pretty cool to watch big things being constructed knowing I had a say in how it was getting accomplished.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2019, 12:35:54 PM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

It amazes me when I buy something that needs assembly and how horrid the instructions are. Especially when the product is produced in China and they have tried to convert terrible Chinese instructions into even worse English instructions. I have written Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for small devices and it really isn't that hard to think logically.

So many of the IT people in my company are highly intelligent and decent communicators but English is their second language so they struggle and really appreciate the help. Also IT people and Business people have a different "dialect" and culture, they appreciate having an ambassador/translator. I've always enjoyed the relationship side of technical communication most, just helping people understand each other.

Sometimes, I don't think an engineer should write the assembly instructions for a simple consumer product. They get way too technical and leave out needed details because they know the product too well and just can't put themselves into the consumers shoes. They almost need to have a regular joe write the instructions as they assemble the product, step by step, and take the needed photos to correspond with the instruction.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2019, 12:54:56 PM »
US Navy Officer for 28 years.  I really enjoyed most of my time and would do it again.

I got to fly helicopters for a big chunk of that which was an extremely rewarding and fun life.  We will have manned aircraft in the military for some time into the future, but it will become less common.

As to the longevity of a military career in the future, sadly as George Santayana observed “Only the dead have seen the end of war”.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2019, 01:12:59 PM »
Started working in trades right out of HS and eventually finished up a 40 year career as owner of an industrial general contracting company.   Really enjoyed the work, liked putting the deals together and building big, challenging projects, watching our people succeed, etc.   Could be very stressful and high risk at times when you had job problems, mistakes, etc., but overall was a great career and the money was great as well.   Got out at 58, selling the place to the younger managers and I'm set to goof off the rest of my life.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2019, 01:27:07 PM »
Geophysicist with almost 14 years of Oil and Gas experience.  I only have a BS, but fortunately my degree curriculum included a lot of EE coursework (Digital signal processing and time series analysis) so I was able to land a job before I graduated.  Within two months I was on a seismic vessel and did that for the next 6 years before transitioning to an office role.  I loved the travel while working offshore (made AA EXP status within 6 months my first year of employment) and the offshore pay, but being on boats for 200+ days per year can get old.  Employment in my industry typically pays very well, but is extremely cyclical with fluctuations in oil prices.  I’m fortunate my skill set allowed me to actually get promotions during the recession (and oil price collapse) around 2008-2009, and met my current boss while consulting for a previous client who allowed me to move to a role with minimal travel and excellent pay.

I would highly recommend my industry, as I love it, but I’m not sure if there will be large numbers of employees needed a generation from now if oil demand begins to wane globally.  My fallback skill is proficiency with GIS (ESRI software specifically), which would allow me to find decent to very decent paying work should my position ever be eliminated (which is unlikely but always a possibility).

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2019, 02:43:35 PM »
My bachelor's degree is in Scientific and Technical Communication, the program had 100% placement rate. I was hired as an intern my senior year and hired full time by the same corporation upon my graduation. I was only laid off once (along with my boss, my boss's boss, and my boss's boss's boss) but was hired again before I could collect unemployment. My income more than tripled over my 30 year career. If you can write coherently and understand basic technological and business terminology I would recommend this career. The ability to help people communicate complex information across business and technology fields will never be automated, so if you can do it and enjoy it go for it.

It amazes me when I buy something that needs assembly and how horrid the instructions are. Especially when the product is produced in China and they have tried to convert terrible Chinese instructions into even worse English instructions. I have written Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) for small devices and it really isn't that hard to think logically.

So many of the IT people in my company are highly intelligent and decent communicators but English is their second language so they struggle and really appreciate the help. Also IT people and Business people have a different "dialect" and culture, they appreciate having an ambassador/translator. I've always enjoyed the relationship side of technical communication most, just helping people understand each other.

Sometimes, I don't think an engineer should write the assembly instructions for a simple consumer product. They get way too technical and leave out needed details because they know the product too well and just can't put themselves into the consumers shoes. They almost need to have a regular joe write the instructions as they assemble the product, step by step, and take the needed photos to correspond with the instruction.

It's been a loooong time since I wrote anything for a simple consumer product, but you are probably right. I write for doctors, executives, and software engineers mostly, which presents a whole different set of challenges. It pays a lot better too :-)

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2019, 04:33:40 PM »
I am in the environmental science field. I have worked in every level of government from local to federal doing environmental permitting and compliance. I have a lot of friends that work in the public sector for environmental consultants. The work isn't going anywhere. There is always going to be a need for someone to help businesses with the environmental regulations, and on the flip side there is always going to be someone out there to enforce and review those environmental regulations.

I really enjoy what I do, but if you do not have an a STEM degree or you don't want to go back to school it is a tough field to crack into.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2019, 04:41:00 PM »
I own an affiliate marketing agency.  Extremely lucrative.  I would not recommend it now as I think digital marketing will be completely automated within the next decade.  This space is all about building your riches very fast then getting out.  A sort of gold rush.  When this ends, I'm thinking of teaching high school math.  Hit FI awhile ago.

If I were starting now, I'd go into software or genetic engineering.
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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2019, 05:42:45 PM »
Network Security/Network Engineering.

Would I recommend it? For the right person, absolutely. It's not something everyone is fit for, there is definitely a 'type' that matches the career. But our world is increasingly connected and someone has to make those connections and make them secure. It's 1000% certain that the way we do things will morph over the years, but it likely won't go away any time soon. The pay is really good, the stress is manageable if again you're the right type. Often remote work is available and there is an advancement path on up to executive levels or reasonably quick FIRE if you're into that. ;)
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I quoted the wrong post! Haha, oops. This question is actually for roadrunner53!

I have some questions for you if you are open to them.

I am an engineer and work with technicians that I would describe as very similar to your job. There is frequently friction (not outright friction, maybe more frustration) from the hourly technicians. Like you, if they had a 4 year degree they could move up easily (some have, and the company pays for it!). But most don't. However I think two things are very frustrating for them:.

1.  New college grads engineers come in making the same or slightly more money as them. I think our technicians are well paid (~70k in a LCOL area) considering they have no degree. But I get the feeling it grates, which I can understand.

2. Because they are hourly they have to badge in and out and get permission for stuff like overtime, can't flex their schedules usually, stuff like that. So I can take my kid to an appointment, then work at home at night, and they can't. We used to allow them to act more like salaried employees and flex more but HR said legally we shouldn't be doing it or it muddies the non-exempt classification.

I'm curious if you experienced these issues or others?
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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2019, 05:16:19 AM »
Network Security/Network Engineering.

Would I recommend it? For the right person, absolutely. It's not something everyone is fit for, there is definitely a 'type' that matches the career. But our world is increasingly connected and someone has to make those connections and make them secure. It's 1000% certain that the way we do things will morph over the years, but it likely won't go away any time soon. The pay is really good, the stress is manageable if again you're the right type. Often remote work is available and there is an advancement path on up to executive levels or reasonably quick FIRE if you're into that. ;)
ETA:
I quoted the wrong post! Haha, oops. This question is actually for roadrunner53!

I have some questions for you if you are open to them.

I am an engineer and work with technicians that I would describe as very similar to your job. There is frequently friction (not outright friction, maybe more frustration) from the hourly technicians. Like you, if they had a 4 year degree they could move up easily (some have, and the company pays for it!). But most don't. However I think two things are very frustrating for them:.

1.  New college grads engineers come in making the same or slightly more money as them. I think our technicians are well paid (~70k in a LCOL area) considering they have no degree. But I get the feeling it grates, which I can understand.

2. Because they are hourly they have to badge in and out and get permission for stuff like overtime, can't flex their schedules usually, stuff like that. So I can take my kid to an appointment, then work at home at night, and they can't. We used to allow them to act more like salaried employees and flex more but HR said legally we shouldn't be doing it or it muddies the non-exempt classification.

I'm curious if you experienced these issues or others?

Yes, I was a well paid lab technician and was very empowered to do things without asking my boss every little thing. Many of us liked being paid hourly because we would get paid to travel and double time on Sunday to sit on a plane and fly across the country. We had all the benefits of the salaried people including 401k, health/dental insurance. Some technicians were offered salaried jobs and turned them down knowing they would make more money being hourly. I don't recall much disgruntlement between salaried and non salaried people. I also don't think back when I was a technician they offered any college education opportunities. They encouraged us to go to scientific seminars and gladly paid for travel, accomodations, food. There was no per diem so we could spend as we liked within reason. We stayed at some of the best hotels. Those of us who traveled were given the corporate American Express card.

My biggest gripe was some uppity engineers who seemed to think they were too good to go out to the pilot lab to get their hands dirty. Granted, they were not there to be technicians but sometimes an extra hand was needed or problems existed that required an engineer to oversee what was going on and come up with a solution. The best engineers I ever worked with wanted to see what was going on and sometimes even crawl under the equipment with a wrench and tighten something. I totally respected those people and thought of them as role models. We all thought the world of those engineers. One summer we had this engineering intern. This kid thought he was better than the technicians and was a super slug. He wouldn't do anything. The worst thing was he was working for one the the best young, enthusiastic engineers who was always out on the floor observing and helping. I told the intern several times to be like a vacuum cleaner and learn everything he could from his mentor. NOPE. He was 'bored' and lazy.

You should observe your 'college grad engineers' to see if they are in the trenches with the technicians. That would be a great start if they are not. My experience is that the technicians always got along with enthusiastic, helpful engineers. Then there were the desk jockey engineers who didn't want to get their hands dirty. There was much less enthusiasm to work with desk jockey's. Technicians understood that the engineers couldn't be on the pilot lab floor all day long but when needed, they expected engineering help.

We had a few problem technicians too. Some didn't take their work seriously and made stupid mistakes. No one wanted to work with them either.

The pilot plant was pretty strict with hours and there was no flex time. Overall, technicians were treated very well.

It would be great if the technicians you work with were encouraged to take on line college classes. Maybe your company could match a technician with an engineer as a mentor while taking courses.

Badging in and out is annoying. Maybe your company can come up with a solution for that. As I recall, we used to put our hours into the computer and sent it to our supervisor for approval. No timeclock.


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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2019, 06:07:40 AM »
Software Engineer

Pros: pays well and can be enormously fun if you enjoy that kind if work (problem solving, learning complex systems, etc.)

Cons: almost no one can comprehend what the job is, so you rarely have people (stakeholders, management, etc) making sane decisions about requirements and timetables. That's highly stressful.

I am a software engineer too.

Pro: you can switch from one sector to another, although you need a good story with it. Decent pay. Technical work, problem solving, partly creative work. Technical and intelligent colleagues, which can be pleasant if you are a very rational person yourself. You can switch from programming, designing, testing, group leader.

Cons: Scrum-nonsense. Every day telling the whole scrum group what you did and will do. This is like having a boss checking you in detail, but then a group of your peers instead of a boss. I have come to hate it. Also, not so many upward career options.

I would recommend it to people who like this type of work. But if you could avoid the scrum-nonsense, it would be best. Many companies do this scrum.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2019, 06:13:48 AM »
I am a lawyer working in corporate litigation and insolvency.

Yes, it's great, and pays well. Difficult and stressful though.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2019, 06:24:31 AM »
Software Engineer

Pros: pays well and can be enormously fun if you enjoy that kind if work (problem solving, learning complex systems, etc.)

Cons: almost no one can comprehend what the job is, so you rarely have people (stakeholders, management, etc) making sane decisions about requirements and timetables. That's highly stressful.

I am a software engineer too.

Pro: you can switch from one sector to another, although you need a good story with it. Decent pay. Technical work, problem solving, partly creative work. Technical and intelligent colleagues, which can be pleasant if you are a very rational person yourself. You can switch from programming, designing, testing, group leader.

Cons: Scrum-nonsense. Every day telling the whole scrum group what you did and will do. This is like having a boss checking you in detail, but then a group of your peers instead of a boss. I have come to hate it. Also, not so many upward career options.

I would recommend it to people who like this type of work. But if you could avoid the scrum-nonsense, it would be best. Many companies do this scrum.

We are also a Scrum shop.  I have to agree daily Scrums can be a drag at times.  I took over a team that previously met every day and we went around talking about what we did.  Most of the time it was repeated stuff, occasionally we did solve issues we were having.  We've changed it so we do the verbal, face-to-face thing only once or twice a week.  The other days we post a message to the team chat instead so you can do it at your leisure.  I mean we're all in contact constantly all day so I don't see the point in an additional meeting every. single. day.  I've heard zero complaints from team members about this change.  Scrum does have its uses, but IMO the team has to be flexible and modify it to fit the needs of the team/project.
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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2019, 06:48:09 AM »
Manufacturing Engineer 3yrs in this position and over 10 years in a few different manufacturing environments and roles.

Pros: Get to know how shit is made, kinda cool. Constant never ending learning due to technology changes/new things to make. Pay is okay. You get to work with a lot of fun people on the floor. The act of working in this sort of job can shape how you think, although that is probably true for all sorts of jobs.

Cons: Hours can be brutal. The general responsibility to income ratio sucks when you're working for a small manufacturer, you're suddenly the go-to person for every little thing that happens. The general responsibility to income ratio in large manufacturing companies leaves people filing their one TPS report daily and then twiddling their thumbs. Pick your particular poison wisely.

If you want to do it then do it. I wouldn't dissuade anyone from any particular career choice.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2019, 07:40:29 AM »
Registered nurse. 20 years of hospital nursing and 20 years of public health/homecare. Nursing has many advantages, but you have to have that "X factor"--you have to care about people and about being socially worthwhile and making the world a better place on whatever level you can. Having said that, it's a profession that pays a first-income living wage--a nurse should be able to afford to own a good car and buy a small house on a typical salary. There is a good deal of flexibility in terms of what you want to specialize in--or not--and there is plenty of flexibility in terms of what shifts and days you want to work. Nursing is a portable profession--it's one of those jobs that is needed everywhere, 24/7. Looking back over the years, I'd say the biggest disadvantages are staffing shortages and the emphasis on money instead of good care--which of course is everywhere these days. Being with the patients absolutely makes it worth it.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2019, 08:05:40 AM »
Registered nurse. 20 years of hospital nursing and 20 years of public health/homecare. Nursing has many advantages, but you have to have that "X factor"--you have to care about people and about being socially worthwhile and making the world a better place on whatever level you can. Having said that, it's a profession that pays a first-income living wage--a nurse should be able to afford to own a good car and buy a small house on a typical salary. There is a good deal of flexibility in terms of what you want to specialize in--or not--and there is plenty of flexibility in terms of what shifts and days you want to work. Nursing is a portable profession--it's one of those jobs that is needed everywhere, 24/7. Looking back over the years, I'd say the biggest disadvantages are staffing shortages and the emphasis on money instead of good care--which of course is everywhere these days. Being with the patients absolutely makes it worth it.

Being a nurse or a teacher or working with the public takes special people. I never worked in that type of job until I was laid off and tried to 'reinvent' myself by taking a job in a local hospital where I had to check in patients for one day surgery. I despised dealing with the public. So many questions, so many people to check in. We dealt with over 100 a day. Each patient would bring someone with them or 2 or 3 kids and another adult. It was unreal and like Disney World day after day. It was not for me so my point is if a person is not drawn to a career that deals with teaching kids, caring for sick people or even working in retail be careful of your career choices. The day I left that hospital job I ran out the door screaming with my hair on fire!

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2019, 03:11:33 PM »
Software engineer. Do not recommend. I make good money, but the culture is to work shit tons of hours. Even when you move up you don't have a ton of influence over product timelines, architecture, decisions, etc. Just start on the project management side. You have to deal with people, but you get to have real influence over decisions and you get a bit of downtime in your work here and there. Software developer/engineer if you get all your shit done more just ends up piled on. At times it feels like being an assembly line worker, but without the danger of being mangled by machinery.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2019, 06:59:22 PM »
Law Enforcement Officer. No would not do it over and would not recommend it. While it allowed me to FIRE two years ago at age 49, I feel like I got away with something. Most of my contemporaries retire and go back to work after the mandatory 12 month retirement period. I think this is due to a combination of loss of identity and poor financial decisions.

My daughter on the other hand is a RN. After only a two year Associates degree program she started her first job (hired before graduation pending state board results) making slightly more than I ended up making. She also only works 36 hours per week. Three twelve hour shifts. If I had to do it over I would finish my accounting degree or go into the medical field but when I was twenty three working as a Fiscal Assistant in an accounting department, being a COP sounded like fun. It was fun for about five years and okay for another ten but by fifteen years in the novelty had worn off. I pretty much hated all but the last four years when I was to the point with FU money, pension etc. I said and did mostly what I wanted too. I am not bitter about it and hope I don't sound it. I am just happy it's behind me.
 

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2019, 09:41:38 PM »
Insurance claims. Well paid (generally) but the job can be stressful if you aren't good with dealing with frustrated people. Some of the simpler types of claims will likely be automated but for the complex claims will survive with AI hopefully being able to handle some of the mundane tasks.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2019, 12:21:04 AM »
Software engineer. Do not recommend. I make good money, but the culture is to work shit tons of hours. Even when you move up you don't have a ton of influence over product timelines, architecture, decisions, etc. Just start on the project management side. You have to deal with people, but you get to have real influence over decisions and you get a bit of downtime in your work here and there. Software developer/engineer if you get all your shit done more just ends up piled on. At times it feels like being an assembly line worker, but without the danger of being mangled by machinery.

Yeah, I forgot to mention the timelines. Software projects are never planned in a realistic schedule. Project leaders and company management are the worst to plan.
Maybe I am lucky in my current job. The normal people who are responsible for planning are working on a mega project with an overly ambitious timeline. I am on the team maintaining the current live software. It is one of us (a developer) who is taking the role as scrum master and who is planning with the customer, based on our capacity. The project manager does not interfere that much anymore, because he doesn't have time. Therefore our planning has improved this year.

The other big thing is that you should be a person who feels really engaged and responsible. Because that will cause a lot of stress. I am such a person who feels responsible, so I know. I am working on trying to not give a s...

 

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