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Baylor3217

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What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« on: December 14, 2013, 06:01:38 PM »
I'm currently buying weekly - every Monday and have done so for years.

I've thought about going to daily.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 06:09:45 PM »
Doesn't that rack up an awful lot of transaction fees? Or do you have some sort of plan where they don't charge you? I normally buy mine quarterly, I think it's ~$7 fee each time.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 06:11:54 PM »
Doesn't that rack up an awful lot of transaction fees? Or do you have some sort of plan where they don't charge you? I normally buy mine quarterly, I think it's ~$7 fee each time.

I don't think Vanguard charges a fee at all. 

As for us: probably once a month.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 06:21:28 PM »
No fees on vanguard unmanaged index funds to purchase / sell.  I'm buying VTSAX

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 06:24:00 PM »
Vanguard does not charge fees to purchase their funds directly from their website.

Once you buy into the fund through the minimum initial investment, you can subsequently invest as much as you'd like.

I invest automatically twice a month into my Roth IRA, my wife's Roth IRA, both my kids' 529s, and our taxable account.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2013, 06:42:05 PM »
I just confirmed Vanguard's max frequency is weekly, which is probably why i picked that in the first place.  I originally did monthly, but prefer to do weekly to smooth out the ups and downs of the market.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2013, 07:41:30 PM »
We do it 3 times a month.  It comes out automatically at the beginning and middle of the month to fund out Roth IRA's, and then we put whatever we have extra at the end of the month into out taxable account.  Oh, and we put a little into our kids 529's at the beginning of each month too.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2013, 08:21:44 PM »
I just confirmed Vanguard's max frequency is weekly, which is probably why i picked that in the first place.  I originally did monthly, but prefer to do weekly to smooth out the ups and downs of the market.

An individual automatic investment may not be more frequent than weekly, but there's nothing to stop you from having five weekly automatic investments, one for each day of the week. Not sure of that's important for anyone, but it's an option.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2013, 10:12:08 PM »
hadnt thought about that.  good suggestion

I just confirmed Vanguard's max frequency is weekly, which is probably why i picked that in the first place.  I originally did monthly, but prefer to do weekly to smooth out the ups and downs of the market.

An individual automatic investment may not be more frequent than weekly, but there's nothing to stop you from having five weekly automatic investments, one for each day of the week. Not sure of that's important for anyone, but it's an option.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 02:38:05 PM »
Is the only reason to increase the frequency to daily to smooth out bumps due to volatility (ie, "dollar cost average")?  If so, the general consensus among the FI cognoscenti is to avoid dollar cost averaging in favor of lump sum investing.  Dollar cost averaging may provide a psychological benefit in that you feel like you are avoiding risk, but in actuality it's better to throw the money into the market as soon as you get it because in the long run the market trends upwards.  Of course, the effect either way should be pretty minimal if we're only talking about investing weekly vs. daily.  But as a general matter, I would suggest that the frequency of investments should be set up so that you are investing the money as soon as you get it.  For most people, that would call for an investment schedule that corresponds to their paycheck schedule.

Or is there some other reason that it would be beneficial to invest on a daily basis that I am missing?

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2014, 10:48:08 AM »
Or is there some other reason that it would be beneficial to invest on a daily basis that I am missing?

While I do like dollar cost average reason, despite what you say, which has it's merit too.  The other real reason is the power of "everyday."  Or in this case, every week.  You're not going to notice it if it's going out in small little chunks, but it's going to add up to a huge amount.  It's hedonic adaptation.  You'll just adjust to not having that money.  Now you can make the same argument to your side of the case, where you're still not going to miss it even if you do it right away in large sums, because, again, you'll adjust.  However, if you're going to invest 400 in a month; you could do it on the first of the month, and see your account drop 400 right away, or do it 100 every week, and see it change slowly... I think at the end of the day, it's just a personal preference.  I think that you should do whatever works for you psychologically. 

Now, I'd like to see the math worked out. What the difference would be by doing everything on the 1st of the month, vs spread out over the month.  Though that'd never actually show real numbers, because the proponents of dollar cost averaging would just be able to point out that the math would be assuming constant growth, where you could essentially buy high for that month, or low, when doing lump sum.  Which again is why I think it probably just boils down to whatever psychologically keeps you investing.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2014, 01:14:03 PM »
I have some money in a taxable Vanguard index fund.  I've yet to pull from it.  Anyone know how big of a pain it is to figure taxes on it once you finally pull it out, especially if you've put little bits in here and there?  Thanks.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 08:06:08 AM »
I have some money in a taxable Vanguard index fund.  I've yet to pull from it.  Anyone know how big of a pain it is to figure taxes on it once you finally pull it out, especially if you've put little bits in here and there?  Thanks.

Bloody simple.  Year end you get a 1099 with your cost basis, sell price, etc.  Plug it into IRS forms/turbotax/taxact and you're done. 

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2014, 08:39:04 AM »
Bloody simple.  Year end you get a 1099 with your cost basis, sell price, etc.  Plug it into IRS forms/turbotax/taxact and you're done.

Definitely off-topic (sorry!) but I am curious about this too.

So you draw the money when you need it and then pay taxes on it at the end of the year?

P.S. I contribute weekly to my IRA and monthly to the 401k.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2014, 10:20:48 AM »
Bloody simple.  Year end you get a 1099 with your cost basis, sell price, etc.  Plug it into IRS forms/turbotax/taxact and you're done.

Definitely off-topic (sorry!) but I am curious about this too.

So you draw the money when you need it and then pay taxes on it at the end of the year?

P.S. I contribute weekly to my IRA and monthly to the 401k.

so maybe I should explain (and let someone who is doing what you're asking explain their situation.)... I'm actually not drawing yet.  But I have definitely sold Vanguard funds (usually because I've decided to move some amount of money from Fund A to Fund B).  The tax portion is simple in this case.  They keep track of the cost basis.  I think they presume a FIFO for which shares are sold.  I think you can direct them to use other methods (but I never have).

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2014, 06:40:51 AM »
2xs a month preferrable on a down day BUT if doesnt dip i still put in. So i do use a little play.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2014, 08:06:43 AM »
Over the long term, the "bumps" that you could smooth out by investing daily versus weekly are infinitesimal.  The important thing is to invest your money as close to "now" as possible.  ;^)

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2014, 08:29:47 AM »
As I get paid on a weekly basis, I contribute a small amount every week to my Roth IRA with Vanguard. Not in a financial position yet to worry about taxable accounts, but soon.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2014, 02:34:27 PM »
So maybe I should explain (and let someone who is doing what you're asking explain their situation.)... I'm actually not drawing yet.  But I have definitely sold Vanguard funds (usually because I've decided to move some amount of money from Fund A to Fund B).  The tax portion is simple in this case.  They keep track of the cost basis.  I think they presume a FIFO for which shares are sold.  I think you can direct them to use other methods (but I never have).

Yeah, that's what I noticed from Vanguard's site is they use the FIFO method by default.  Not sure why you'd change it to something else, but I'll look that over one day in the future.  I hope to not need any of the taxable money for a while yet.

I'm guessing the IRS will want quarterly estimated payments or you'll have to pay a penalty at tax time, right?

Thanks for the insights.

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2014, 03:57:20 PM »
The cost basis accounting method you choose has important ramifications.  See the following post at Mad Fientist for some great optimization strategies available using specific identification of shares as your accounting method:

http://www.madfientist.com/specific-share-identification/

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Re: What frequency do you purchase vanguard funds?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2014, 04:39:10 PM »
Lump sums at the beginning of the year to max out our Roth IRA's and monthly after that into different funds.

 

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