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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2021, 08:43:23 AM »
The website either doesn't say or it is buried in some page I couldn't find, but my tested speed is around 200mbs download and less than 10mbs upload. My bill is $75 a month after taxes and fees. [...] While I don't want to increase my bill, I am considering getting Toast as I am eligible for unlimited fiber.

For what it's worth, the 100/100 package is honestly quite plenty for anyone, which should actually save you $15/month. We're on a grandfathered and no longer available 60/60 package and it's honestly more than enough for even teaching remotely through Zoom with a full class. Unless you're being paid to constantly move giant wads of data back and forth, it should be fine as 1080p video streams fine with less than 7Mbps, and 100Mbps sustained at both ends of a transfer will shuffle 1GB of data in under 90 seconds. You'll have half the download speed cap, but you'll also have more than 10x the upload speed and won't have shared bandwidth and peak congestion problems on top of your connectivity problems.
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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2021, 09:41:05 AM »
I pay 40$ a month Canadian for 35 mbps down with 5 up with no contract.  We had problems with our old contract which was 20/1 because of the limited upload bandwidth.  With the upgraded service there are no issues with two adults working from home and a child doing distance learning all at the same time.  Our home phone is voip too.

I think most people are oversold internet service.

Who's your ISP?   I have a similar service, but I've been paying  $60/month.

Teksavvy - they're a small Bell/Rogers reseller.  Great company to deal with . . . no 'introductory offers' with later price increases, no gotcha overages (they average internet overages over two periods so if you're under one month and over the next there are no charges).  I don't know if they're operating in Ottawa, or what their prices are there though.  Worth checking out.  My goal is to never deal with Rogers, Shaw, Cogeco, or Bell ever again.  :P

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2021, 09:44:58 AM »
I'm with WoW at $45/mo for 500Mbs, will go up to $55 after a year. I'm in Michigan.



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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2021, 03:06:11 PM »
I pay 40$ a month Canadian for 35 mbps down with 5 up with no contract.  We had problems with our old contract which was 20/1 because of the limited upload bandwidth.  With the upgraded service there are no issues with two adults working from home and a child doing distance learning all at the same time.  Our home phone is voip too.

I think most people are oversold internet service.

Who's your ISP?   I have a similar service, but I've been paying  $60/month.

Teksavvy - they're a small Bell/Rogers reseller.  Great company to deal with . . . no 'introductory offers' with later price increases, no gotcha overages (they average internet overages over two periods so if you're under one month and over the next there are no charges).  I don't know if they're operating in Ottawa, or what their prices are there though.  Worth checking out.  My goal is to never deal with Rogers, Shaw, Cogeco, or Bell ever again.  :P

Yep, that's my ISP too.   I've been with them for about 115 years.    They were a pretty neat ISP back then.   You send in a support e-mail and the CEO, "Rocky" might reply to it.

 I'm on Cable 30 unlimited for 59.95/month.   It sounds you might have a good deal...


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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2021, 05:40:10 PM »
I've been on Att copper for 7 years now. For most of that time I've had a 45/5 plan, which gets me 50/5.5 because I'm so close to the cabinets outside my apt complex. It's been rock solid. No cable company here. There is TOAST, but they only offer the 75/8 plan, which is more than I need or want to pay for.

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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2021, 10:15:34 PM »
So what if when I call to cancel my service and cite high price as the reason, they call my bluff and say that's the best they can offer?  Do I say I was just joking, please don't cancel my service because I don't actually have another service scheduled to be installed?  Or just say cancel it in the future after my new service is hooked up?  I feel like I need to at least have something lined up in case they won't offer any better price.

Anyone had any luck getting comcast to modify new sign up agreements?  Specifically make the 1 year terms into 2 year with the same price.  The intro price is reasonable, but I hate the idea of my bill going up $36/mo for the second year and having to do this same song and dance again.  I feel like it's intentional pricing on their part, because they either sucker someone in with a low first year rate, then jack it up, or they get you keep creeping up in the packages to secure a longer locked in rate but at a higher monthly cost.   It would be great if they would just offer the 400 / 20* package for $50 for 2 years, because if WOW won't budge I could just go for that package, then come back to WOW in 2 years for new customer pricing.  I don't really need more than 100 Mpbs download, but I'd be choosing this package for the upload speed.  Or if WOW does offer a better rate once I try to cancel, then I can just stay with them because that's easy. 

I'm also going to phone toast tomorrow and see if they offer any other packages that aren't on their website.  I'd be skeptical getting only 5 Mpbs upload speed from comcast because I'd be afraid of not actually getting as much as they promise on a consistent basis, but I would think 5 Mpbs from toast via dsl/fiber would be more reliable and consistent for speed.  Actually receiving 5 Mpbs upload would be suitable.

I hear what you're saying about stepping back and not rage canceling out of spite.  WOW may be the best bet still, but I hate that they aren't offering much of a discount.  It's a constant battle of them hiking the rate, me complaining, and them lowering it but not as low as it was before.  And we continue to oscillate, with each iteration landing on an increase from the previous year, and rarely getting much of a commitment out of them to stop future rate increases.  So I might be dealing with this whole process again in 3 months, or 6 months, or a year. I do value my time and my sanity which is why I'd love to find a no nonsense ISP, or failing that at least go with one that will lock my rate in for 2 years.  If I have to hop between WOW and comcast every 2 years riding the intro pricing, that doesn't sound like any more hassle than being ever vigilant about my bills and having to renegotiate my internet billing with a single company.

*You can get comcast upload speeds by speaking to a rep.  I updated original post with updated info.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2021, 02:47:06 AM »
$30/pm for a landline + 67Mbps connection
$11/pm for 10Gb mobile data/calls

UK based.. our internet costs seem to be lower available in the US.
Not as fast or fancy as some, but for these prices I'm not complaining at all. I still remember getting my internet through dial-up and paying telephone rates.
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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2021, 06:19:19 AM »
I had only one experience with Comcast and trying to re-up the intro rates, and it failed miserably. This was back in 2014, and the apartment complex we were living in exclusively had Comcast as the provider with a local telco offering DSL at 10% the speed were getting from Comcast. I was on the phone with Comcast for over an hour with two different retention specialists and they called my bluff because they knew I had no alternative.

When there are viable alternatives, I do believe they are generally more open to 'negotiation' than when they're the only game in town. As for negotiating 2 year pricing, I'd say you probably have a fat chance at doing that - they absolutely know what the competitors offer and know that if you get on a 2 year cycle, then you can just avoid dealing with retention specialists.

This is one of those areas where it's probably much more worth dealing with someone like Toast who is going to at least give to you straight than to try and save a few bucks by going through the mess of the retention specialists annually. 

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2021, 07:59:59 AM »
I'm surprised the number of such high speeds... I've been on 5 mb up / down for years and rarely have issues with 2 people (both working from home, streaming videos, YouTube, Netflix, etc)

I don't often feel above average on this board, but I think I get to brag a little here.  Not sure it'll be useful to OP but he did ask what I pay... $0.  Google fiber offered a "free" level (only pay installation), and I happened to buy a house that already paid for it.  Google is so much better than Comcast (had their cable internet previously), and the reliability has been awesome.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2021, 08:22:53 AM »
So what if when I call to cancel my service and cite high price as the reason, they call my bluff and say that's the best they can offer?  Do I say I was just joking, please don't cancel my service because I don't actually have another service scheduled to be installed?  Or just say cancel it in the future after my new service is hooked up?  I feel like I need to at least have something lined up in case they won't offer any better price.

Don't go in all aggro. You'll be surprised what some niceness will net you sometimes. Maybe even apologize for telling them to pound sand the last time. WOW! is your regional cable equivalent to Toast, after all... or at least as close as you're gonna get over Comcast's coax.

Remember, even $55/month for regular rate 100/10 cable isn't awful, especially in your area.

Part of the reason why your bill keeps going up dramatically is because you keep negotiating it down and potentially changing plans in the process. And as much as you think the full ISP switch monkey dance is somehow just as easy as asking for a discount... don't forget the install window, the install price, the time under contract at full price, dealing with Comcast directly at all, the emotional cost of haggling...

The big guys are always going to price creep, because they can get away with it. The secret to combat that is to just find a plan with pricing you'll accept at the full rate, and accept and budget for the inevitable price creep that happens after, and stop paying attention to the promo advertisements. After all, it's not like you don't know all this already. It usually costs less long term and keeps you on the speed plan you signed up for than bouncing around and winding up with short term gains to make you feel like you're saving a little cash while screwing your future self through plan changes with major price increases later or new contracts or loss of current cheaper speed tiers. I know their pricing is the boiling a frog in water approach, just keep an eye on it, and keep an eye on non-intro pricing for similar service when you think it might be getting out of hand again.

After all, $55/month for regular rate 100/10 cable isn't awful.
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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2021, 08:24:51 AM »
I'm surprised the number of such high speeds... I've been on 5 mb up / down for years and rarely have issues with 2 people (both working from home, streaming videos, YouTube, Netflix, etc)

I don't often feel above average on this board, but I think I get to brag a little here.  Not sure it'll be useful to OP but he did ask what I pay... $0.  Google fiber offered a "free" level (only pay installation), and I happened to buy a house that already paid for it.  Google is so much better than Comcast (had their cable internet previously), and the reliability has been awesome.

Have you done a speed test to verify that your connection is actually that slow? A single 1080p stream at just 30 fps is likely to saturate a 5 Mb connection. I had to work from home on a 5-10 Mb connection a few years ago and it was nearly untenable. And that was before video conferencing all the time became the norm. We'd probably be fine with a 100 Mb connection (as long as upload was similar) but that wasn't an option with our ISP. It was either 1000 Mb or nothing.

Free is definitely a hard price to argue with though, haha. My company has paid for our internet for the last 5 years so I haven't been particularly concerned with the price.

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« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2021, 10:30:13 AM »
So what if when I call to cancel my service and cite high price as the reason, they call my bluff and say that's the best they can offer?  Do I say I was just joking, please don't cancel my service because I don't actually have another service scheduled to be installed?  Or just say cancel it in the future after my new service is hooked up?  I feel like I need to at least have something lined up in case they won't offer any better price.

Don't go in all aggro. You'll be surprised what some niceness will net you sometimes. Maybe even apologize for telling them to pound sand the last time. WOW! is your regional cable equivalent to Toast, after all... or at least as close as you're gonna get over Comcast's coax.

Remember, even $55/month for regular rate 100/10 cable isn't awful, especially in your area.

Part of the reason why your bill keeps going up dramatically is because you keep negotiating it down and potentially changing plans in the process. And as much as you think the full ISP switch monkey dance is somehow just as easy as asking for a discount... don't forget the install window, the install price, the time under contract at full price, dealing with Comcast directly at all, the emotional cost of haggling...

The big guys are always going to price creep, because they can get away with it. The secret to combat that is to just find a plan with pricing you'll accept at the full rate, and accept and budget for the inevitable price creep that happens after, and stop paying attention to the promo advertisements. After all, it's not like you don't know all this already. It usually costs less long term and keeps you on the speed plan you signed up for than bouncing around and winding up with short term gains to make you feel like you're saving a little cash while screwing your future self through plan changes with major price increases later or new contracts or loss of current cheaper speed tiers. I know their pricing is the boiling a frog in water approach, just keep an eye on it, and keep an eye on non-intro pricing for similar service when you think it might be getting out of hand again.

After all, $55/month for regular rate 100/10 cable isn't awful.

I wasn't a dick when I spoke to them.  I didn't literally tell them to pound sand, I just said I'd contact them back to cancel my service.  I was frustrated, but I never actually get aggressive with customer service.  The price isn't awful, but that's only because I keep calling back in to negotiate.  I somehow suspect the $54 rate is not a ceiling and they will continue to increase it indefinitely if they can get away with it. I don't believe we have switched plans with WOW, other than upgrading to the 100/10 connection many years ago when they started introducing increased speed plans, and I called in to renegotiate and part of that call was "You don't even offer my speed package anymore, but are charging me more than what you're offering higher packages at". The total amount of time I spend negotiating with WOW, and researching alternative offers (sometimes they don't believe me when I say what the competition is offering and I have to direct them to the deal on the website before they'll agree to lower the price) isn't really that much, but it's just a headache to deal with.  I hate that I already spoke to them once, and I have to speak with them again to get a better rate, or I have to follow through with my threat to switch.  I'm sure that they keep notes on my file, so they can probably see all the contact I've had with them, and after 10 years they don't believe me when I say I'm going to switch, so they aren't willing to go as low anymore. 

Regarding installation, right now is the perfect time.  I am in the process of building a garage, and the current coaxial line is right where the garage is going to be, so the line has to be moved.  So even if I stay with wow, I need them to come out and probably run a brand new line so they can secure the coax to the support wire so the drop to my house comes not from the pole, but from the support wire about 40 feet away from the pole.  I don't know if they can just run another 40 foot cable and join it with my existing wire, or if they will replace the entire run from pole to house (~100 ft).

I'd love to just find a no bullshit company and stop worrying about rate increases and other shenanigans. Toast seems to be the only option I have in that regards, and at $65/mo I just don't know if I can justify it.  Even if WOW won't budge below $50/mo, that's still $180/yr savings over Toast.  I dislike wow's bullshit, but do I dislike it to the tune of $180/yr?   

Comcast's lower speeds are cheaper, but only come with a year contract.  So I'd save money the first year, but then pay even more the second year.  Or I'd have to renegotiate at that point or switch providers yet again.  If I up the services packages to one with a 2 year contract, then I end up buying more internet than I actually need.  And while the speed is a relative bargain, if I don't actually need it then I'm just paying extra for no reason and not actually saving any money over the next 2 years; Actually I'd be paying more. 

If comcast would agree to a 2 year rate lock instead of 1 year for their lower priced service that would be great because I could get that low rate, then in 2 years switch back to wow and guarantee another 2 years of promo rates locked.  No negotiation involved.

I can't go with the high speed packages anyway because my modem seems outdated in that regard.  It's a motorola MG7540 with DOCSIS 3.0 (16x4).  Motorola claims 686 Mbps speed, but also only recommends using with service up to 300 Mbps, and using a different model for higher connections.  Comcast compatability page suggests a maximum speed of 375 Mbps for this model, and doesn't list it as a compatible model for any service 400 and above.  This modem has paid for itself multiple times over with modem rental savings, but it's still functioning perfect so I'd rather not upgrade it or rent from a cable company.  Once that enters the financial equation it's a no brainer to stay with WOW.


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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2021, 11:12:58 AM »
Regarding installation, right now is the perfect time.  I am in the process of building a garage, and the current coaxial line is right where the garage is going to be, so the line has to be moved.  So even if I stay with wow, I need them to come out and probably run a brand new line so they can secure the coax to the support wire so the drop to my house comes not from the pole, but from the support wire about 40 feet away from the pole.  I don't know if they can just run another 40 foot cable and join it with my existing wire, or if they will replace the entire run from pole to house (~100 ft).

Unless you know something that I don't, nearly all of WOW's service area is like Earthlink. They're reselling and piggybacking off of Comcast's network infrastructure (similar to how Toast and other regional vDSL providers are reselling AT&T), including there in Detroit from what I've been able to gather. The field support ticket is likely going to have to go to Comcast no matter what, and you're grossly overestimating how much leverage and freedom you have on demanding how they run that wire to your house without you paying them huge wads of money to re-route it. This said, if it's just a sag issue, you could likely tighten it up at the anchor point on the house yourself... and that's honestly the best you're going to likely have to expect out of any field tech doing a "free" adjustment to the wiring anyway.

Example: Just for giggles, last year I did a low voltage ethernet wiring upgrade to the house, and stuck my own DMARC outside, and even accommodated possible cable. Cox had an ancient wire and DMARC connected to our house that hadn't been used in over 15 years, and it was cracked and damaged and sagging and was less than five feet off the ground after the ice storm we had last October. To replace the run, even if I signed up with new service, would cost $500... and the line wasn't good enough for service. They happily took it down for free, though. This is perfectly in line with attitudes and expectations from any network maintaining their communications infrastructure on the residential level. I had similar tales as a customer with Comcast and a nicked buried cable in a neighbor's yard some 15 years ago. I mean, crap, just relocating the ONT the AT&T tech installed for Toast last year up three feet on the wall today would cost an additional $100 to roll a tech out. Install fees, unless it's a new infrastructure connection like fiber, really only cover installs from the DMARC on the house where the existing wires already are to wherever you're wanting your service.

YMMV, but I doubt you're gonna see much free (or even $100 install) cooperation past tightening up the slack in the line, "new" customer or not, and forcing them to-reroute their infrastructure to accommodate your new building is going to put dollar signs in their eyes.

I'd love to just find a no bullshit company and stop worrying about rate increases and other shenanigans. Toast seems to be the only option I have in that regards, and at $65/mo I just don't know if I can justify it.  Even if WOW won't budge below $50/mo, that's still $180/yr savings over Toast.  I dislike wow's bullshit, but do I dislike it to the tune of $180/yr?   

Most of that BS is self-inflicted.

Be nicer to your future self. Stop shopping by introductory prices, and shop by long term prices.

I sincerely doubt that the Comcast rep gave you a price quote with all fees and taxes included, and I suspect that the plan you're looking at switching to is likely going to easily go up to somewhere between $65-80/month after the first year, and likely zero of the plans offered today at the rates you currently can get or already have will likely be available then. If $54/month for 100/10 isn't acceptable to you today to the point that not even a $5 discount is tolerable and making you still want to switch? Any price over that certainly won't be acceptable to you a year from now, and that is the price you're going to have to fight against then.

So, you're looking at $50+fees/month and $100 install to leave WOW! just to go to Comcast. And you're currently only paying $54 out the door with everything to WOW! today, for a speed service level you already find acceptable, and you're already outside of a contract where you know what the monthly price is going forward and will probably be fairly stable at that price point for the foreseeable future, provided you don't keep yanking your own chain and theirs.

But! Faster! You say. More for my money! So what? It's the illusion of options. Artificial scarcity. What matters is having the access and stability. As long as it's fast enough to do what you need it to, there you have it. My wife and I were satisfied with 6/1.75 for five years at $40/month up until last year and Zoom classes became a thing, and Toast was about to lose their 60/60 plan at $45/month. So we upgraded.

When you shop by intro prices and discounts alone, you're forcing yourself into this eternal cycle of fighting and re-negotiating and clawing and scrapping, because you've set your pricing expectations based on a fiction. Those intro prices are pretty worthless when you realize they always get their pound of flesh, and they're just playing numbers games to make you feel like you're saving money while they're still carving off that same pound of flesh one way or another.

Look at how much time you've invested this past week on this. How much of my time, and of others. And you're setting yourself up to do it again in another year.

You can either shop and prioritize by cost or speed. If $55/month is on the edge of being too expensive for you, then you have to accept much slower upload speeds to ensure you always have a price in line with your expectations by selecting a plan that will be at or below that price during normal rates. If speeds are more important, than you need to re-adjust your expectations on what a "reasonable" price is per month. Right now, you have both the speed and a price within spitting distance of each other... the only thing in your way, is you.

I know you're dreading WOW! constantly jacking the price up unchecked... but the way you've presented things, it doesn't sound like you yourself have ever given them the chance, to wait and see what happens once an introductory or requested discount price expires and goes unchallenged for a year, because the instant it goes up again, you're back on the phone trying to wrangle it back down threatening to take your business elsewhere. And even if it does creep up slowly, if it's still at or less than expected for out of contract at that time for the upload speed, so?

It's like planting a tree, even if the world were to end tomorrow.

Be nice to your future self, make peace with WOW!, and take a rest from the dance just to see what happens. You're clearly exhausted.
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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2021, 12:16:19 PM »
I was under the impression that the professional installation would include a hookup from the utility pole.  What if you don't currently have a (working) hook up from the utility pole, does the tech showing up to do the $100 installation just drop a bomb on you that it's another $500 to run from the pole?  I'm pretty sure when I had WOW installed at a previous house they ran an independent line and told me they won't reuse comcast's line.  The cable at my current house was present when we moved in and has only been serviced by WOW, so I've never had anything installed here. 

Also I have a coaxial cable from the pole all the way to my own cable modem currently.  WTF does installation even mean if they aren't running a new line?  Comcast guy just going to show up at my house and then call into comcast and tell them to turn it on remotely?

It's not a slack issue in the line.  Everyone's coax seems to come from one spot on the pole only about 12 feet high.  Our power lines drop from significantly higher on the pole, we've been told we can raise the spot on the house where the power line connects to bring it up over the height of the garage.  I don't think raising the coax will get it out of the way of the garage since it's coming off the pole so low, and will go directly through the garage.   

We also have an unused phone line strung to the house, but it doesn't come from the same pole (which is close to the corner of our lot).  It comes from the next pole, and is run parallel to the lines, then at our property line it drops to the house.   This line won't be in the way of the garage at all since it runs up pretty close to our fence on the opposite side of the yard from the garage.

Most of that BS is self-inflicted.

Be nicer to your future self. Stop shopping by introductory prices, and shop by long term prices.


? How so? I've had WOW service the entire 8 years I've lived here, and brought it over from my previous residence.  They have the best price, and every time I shop around they have the best price.  I could go with something like toast, but I'd be paying a heavy premium to not deal with bullshit. 

Also how can I shop for long term price on WOW?  The internet 100 has introductory prices of $29.99.  I'm not eligible for new customer discount, ok, but it says the normal non discounted rate for the 100 service is $39.99.  So why the fuck are they charging me $54 for that service? And why are they refusing to go below $50 when their website lists the regular price as $39.99?  How do I get out of the "fuck you for being a loyal customer tier" and into the normal advertised rate tier?

I get what you're saying about taking a step back and reevaluating my situation logically and not emotionally, and not making any rash decisions out of pure spite, and you're not wrong.  But man does it ever piss me off dealing with WOW when they pull shit like this.   And I have no guarantee they aren't going to just hike the price above $50 anyway. They may agree to 6 or 12 month lock, but from experience they are guaranteed to raise it after that agreement ends regardless of their current pricing structure.  It's just gonna be a ~$10 increase no matter what, which they may or may not waive, or only partially waive.  Or they may not even agree to a term, just say it's $50, and then arbitrarily raise it at some point later hoping I don't notice or I'm too tired to call them back up. 

$54/mo isn't enough money to break me, or even affect my FIRE plans.  And $54/mo is reasonable for the service compared to my other options.  But just dealing with WOW's shady practices is enough to send me to the angry dome.




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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2021, 12:23:49 PM »
So what's to stop me from actually canceling my wow service, then immediately signing back up with them and paying their "full" non-introductory rate, which is 26% lower than what they are charging me? Do they have some kind of waiting period before you're allowed to sign back up for service?  Will they insist on dinging me for an "install fee" even though they don't have to do anything?

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2021, 12:55:42 PM »
Also I have a coaxial cable from the pole all the way to my own cable modem currently.  WTF does installation even mean if they aren't running a new line?  Comcast guy just going to show up at my house and then call into comcast and tell them to turn it on remotely?

First line was probably replaced in context of the era because it was necessary to handle the bandwidth, but today?

Pretty much, yeah.

Maybe drill a hole in a wall to push through new cable to the inside at most. Otherwise? You're paying some joker to come out and stand around and get paid for an hour to quickly plug in a device to make sure the signal to noise ratio is within tolerance and read a string of numbers from your modem's MAC address and try and leave you with equipment that they'll try to forever bill you for, even after returning. Especially when you've already got a working wiring setup.

? How so? I've had WOW service the entire 8 years I've lived here, and brought it over from my previous residence.  They have the best price, and every time I shop around they have the best price.  I could go with something like toast, but I'd be paying a heavy premium to not deal with bullshit.

Lack of BS frequently comes with a premium. It's how Gandi.net gets away with its domain pricing.

Also how can I shop for long term price on WOW?  The internet 100 has introductory prices of $29.99.  I'm not eligible for new customer discount, ok, but it says the normal non discounted rate for the 100 service is $39.99.  So why the fuck are they charging me $54 for that service? And why are they refusing to go below $50 when their website lists the regular price as $39.99?  How do I get out of the "fuck you for being a loyal customer tier" and into the normal advertised rate tier?

Are you sure the upload speeds between your current plan and that $40 plan are identical? Or there isn't some terms of service and port restriction changes that happened in their terms between then and now? You might be asking the wrong questions.

I get what you're saying about taking a step back and reevaluating my situation logically and not emotionally, and not making any rash decisions out of pure spite, and you're not wrong.  But man does it ever piss me off dealing with WOW when they pull shit like this.   And I have no guarantee they aren't going to just hike the price above $50 anyway. They may agree to 6 or 12 month lock, but from experience they are guaranteed to raise it after that agreement ends regardless of their current pricing structure.  It's just gonna be a ~$10 increase no matter what, which they may or may not waive, or only partially waive.  Or they may not even agree to a term, just say it's $50, and then arbitrarily raise it at some point later hoping I don't notice or I'm too tired to call them back up.

Just keep repeating to yourself, "The price and corporate screwballing is still better than Comcast in or out of contract."

So what's to stop me from actually canceling my wow service, then immediately signing back up with them and paying their "full" non-introductory rate, which is 26% lower than what they are charging me? Do they have some kind of waiting period before you're allowed to sign back up for service?  Will they insist on dinging me for an "install fee" even though they don't have to do anything?

Probably nothing, except the possible need for a new cable modem if they don't release the MAC address, and the time disconnected to reset that clock which is probably 30 days. And yeah, install fees are part of the monkey dance. However, there's nothing stopping you from downgrading or changing plans from one current tier to another, either.

Beyond that, if seeing the prices other customers are getting from WOW! still upset you that much and you can't make peace with the price you're paying? I have a solution for you, that even has Paul Anka's Guarantee*!

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« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2021, 01:44:55 PM »
Also I have a coaxial cable from the pole all the way to my own cable modem currently.  WTF does installation even mean if they aren't running a new line?  Comcast guy just going to show up at my house and then call into comcast and tell them to turn it on remotely?

First line was probably replaced in context of the era because it was necessary to handle the bandwidth, but today?

Pretty much, yeah.

Maybe drill a hole in a wall to push through new cable to the inside at most. Otherwise? You're paying some joker to come out and stand around and get paid for an hour to quickly plug in a device to make sure the signal to noise ratio is within tolerance and read a string of numbers from your modem's MAC address and try and leave you with equipment that they'll try to forever bill you for, even after returning. Especially when you've already got a working wiring setup.

? How so? I've had WOW service the entire 8 years I've lived here, and brought it over from my previous residence.  They have the best price, and every time I shop around they have the best price.  I could go with something like toast, but I'd be paying a heavy premium to not deal with bullshit.

Lack of BS frequently comes with a premium. It's how Gandi.net gets away with its domain pricing.

Also how can I shop for long term price on WOW?  The internet 100 has introductory prices of $29.99.  I'm not eligible for new customer discount, ok, but it says the normal non discounted rate for the 100 service is $39.99.  So why the fuck are they charging me $54 for that service? And why are they refusing to go below $50 when their website lists the regular price as $39.99?  How do I get out of the "fuck you for being a loyal customer tier" and into the normal advertised rate tier?

Are you sure the upload speeds between your current plan and that $40 plan are identical? Or there isn't some terms of service and port restriction changes that happened in their terms between then and now? You might be asking the wrong questions.

I get what you're saying about taking a step back and reevaluating my situation logically and not emotionally, and not making any rash decisions out of pure spite, and you're not wrong.  But man does it ever piss me off dealing with WOW when they pull shit like this.   And I have no guarantee they aren't going to just hike the price above $50 anyway. They may agree to 6 or 12 month lock, but from experience they are guaranteed to raise it after that agreement ends regardless of their current pricing structure.  It's just gonna be a ~$10 increase no matter what, which they may or may not waive, or only partially waive.  Or they may not even agree to a term, just say it's $50, and then arbitrarily raise it at some point later hoping I don't notice or I'm too tired to call them back up.

Just keep repeating to yourself, "The price and corporate screwballing is still better than Comcast in or out of contract."

So what's to stop me from actually canceling my wow service, then immediately signing back up with them and paying their "full" non-introductory rate, which is 26% lower than what they are charging me? Do they have some kind of waiting period before you're allowed to sign back up for service?  Will they insist on dinging me for an "install fee" even though they don't have to do anything?

Probably nothing, except the possible need for a new cable modem if they don't release the MAC address, and the time disconnected to reset that clock which is probably 30 days. And yeah, install fees are part of the monkey dance. However, there's nothing stopping you from downgrading or changing plans from one current tier to another, either.

Beyond that, if seeing the prices other customers are getting from WOW! still upset you that much and you can't make peace with the price you're paying? I have a solution for you, that even has Paul Anka's Guarantee*!

*guarantee void in Tennessee

As far as I can tell it's the exact same service.  My statement lists it as "Internet 100" and the 100/10 service tier is listed as "Internet 100" on their website.  Years ago when I called in to get my rate lowered they gave me a straight out the door price that had taxes etc rolled in.  The fine print on their website says that equipment, taxes, fees, etc are not included in the price.  I don't know what those add up to, but in my experience before getting the out the door pricing it wasn't that egregious, only a few dollars.  Modem rental was the big one they get you with, but I've had my own modem for years now because of it.  I wonder if it's any coincidence that they lease their modem for $14/mo and they are currently charging me $14/mo more than their listed price?

They don't offer a service less than 100/10.  That was the situation years ago when I called in.  I had slower than 100/10 service, and was getting charged more than the advertised rates for their 100/10 service.  So when I called to renegotiate the rate I had them bump me up to the 100/10 plan and lock in a new rate.   That must have been 6 or 7 negotiations ago.  I guess I could move to a higher plan, but it's not necessary because the 100/10 is sufficient. 

I have a neighbor that works for WOW and I see his WOW van on the street.  He moved back in with his dad several months ago.  His dad has lived here since before I moved in, so I know him, but I've never met with the son because we haven't been socializing with the neighbors on account of covid.  I think I may go introduce myself and talk to him and see what he knows about new installation lines, and what kind of friendly neighbor discount he could offer me to either get my line moved or a new one installed.  Preferably without even involving WOW.


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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2021, 01:54:16 PM »
This was easier before working from home, but I have canceled service with Comcast just to get online later that same day and change just enough information about myself to sign up as someone new. (The software in use is usually not so sophisticated... a different email address was probably enough. Maybe use my spouse's name and phone number if I really have to. Or even just a nickname for myself, with a Google Voice phone number.) Of course, sometimes companies get their legal department to figure out what sort of loopholes exist, and start to add in contract legalese to the effect of "must not have had service with company within xx days" to prevent exactly that.

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« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2021, 02:30:04 PM »
As far as I can tell it's the exact same service.  My statement lists it as "Internet 100" and the 100/10 service tier is listed as "Internet 100" on their website.  Years ago when I called in to get my rate lowered they gave me a straight out the door price that had taxes etc rolled in.  The fine print on their website says that equipment, taxes, fees, etc are not included in the price.  I don't know what those add up to, but in my experience before getting the out the door pricing it wasn't that egregious, only a few dollars.  Modem rental was the big one they get you with, but I've had my own modem for years now because of it.  I wonder if it's any coincidence that they lease their modem for $14/mo and they are currently charging me $14/mo more than their listed price?

Probably not, which also means you're probably looking at the real world stable price point today at $54. That's what they want to charge you, $14 more than the list price. If you think about it though, even with that $14/month extra, it's still the best deal in town compared to what Comcast is offering for the money when you factor upload speed as the primary bottleneck and cost. Who knows, maybe the price will just stablize at that point if left alone.

Does the extra $14/month suck over "advertized"? Yeah. The whole industry needs reform, honestly, and needs to be treated like a utility. But you've said it yourself, every time you research, WOW's still the best deal. Maybe trust, even with the asterisked fees, that they won't push you past that $14 above and still keep your price in line with a reasonable rate long term. If you want to make a big deal about it though, stop talking with WOW and go talk with the MPSC instead after reading over your terms of service agreement to make sure you're not missing anything sneaky, and then maybe point out they appear to want to charge you for a modem you own via alternative methods, and not honor the advertised rate for your service plan for people with their own equipment. Odds are, there's fine print that lets them do that anyway, but that's why you read the terms of service. And even if it is, it's still a less raw deal than what Comcast usually submits people to.

I have a neighbor that works for WOW and I see his WOW van on the street.  He moved back in with his dad several months ago.  His dad has lived here since before I moved in, so I know him, but I've never met with the son because we haven't been socializing with the neighbors on account of covid.  I think I may go introduce myself and talk to him and see what he knows about new installation lines, and what kind of friendly neighbor discount he could offer me to either get my line moved or a new one installed.  Preferably without even involving WOW.

Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky. Maybe you actually live in an area where WOW! maintains their own infrastructure separate from Comcast, or he'll help a neighbor out. Either way, best of luck to you. Hope it all works out for the best. But at the same time, don't push, that's the sort of favor that can potentially end a career.
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« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2021, 02:46:34 PM »
Yes still the best deal in town which why I'm still with WOW, but every time we do the dance it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 

Their fine print lists all sorts of bullshit about prices, taxes, and fees, etc being subject to change.  I guess I understand you can't commit to blanket pricing indefinitely, and at some point some external factors are going to force every company to adjust their rates, so long as they don't break current contracts.  It's less understandable how pricing can be so inconsistent among customers, and the changes can be applied to some people specifically while still advertising a lower rate.  If the real rate is $54 then it's double bullshit that they are advertising a promo teaser of $30, and also regular "full price teaser" of $40.  Double secret promotional bait and switch pricing. 

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« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2021, 02:59:38 PM »
Double secret promotional bait and switch pricing.

Ah, I've seen you've learned how the telecoms operate and why I ran the guide I did for so long and said what I have in this thread.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2021, 11:26:11 AM »
I spoke with my neighbor.  He works as a wow contractor and works on the service line drops.  Touching anything without an order in the system is apparently a big no-no.  He says it's $50 to have it relocated, or you can sign up for their service protection plan for $5/mo, have it moved, then call back a couple weeks later and cancel the plan, which is what he recommends doing.  But it all has to be coordinated officially through WOW.  He will likely be the contractor assigned to us since he is 2 doors from our house. 

I contacted wow and they dropped my monthly service from $53.99 to $43.99 with absolutely no resistance.  Since this is the out the door price, and the $39.99 normal price listed on the website excludes taxes and fees, I think this is fair.  I don't feel like pushing to get a cheaper rate since this seems fair compared with their advertised rates.  They agreed to lock the rate for 12 months, but the account itself is not under a contract.

I asked them about the service plan, but they said the plan does not cover ariel line drops to the house and I'd have to pay $50 for that on my next bill.  I agreed since it was the only option they offered and they are scheduled to come out and relocate the line on Friday.  Even with this $50 charge I am still going to save $70 over the next year.


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« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2021, 12:37:05 PM »
As good an end as you can hope for.

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« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2021, 01:22:57 PM »
I had AT&T and, for the first year, had a fair price.  They then raised it by about $20/mo at a time when new customers were getting an introductory price of $10/mo less than my introductory price (i.e., $30/mo less than they wanted me to pay) - so I contacted them to see whether I could get the new introductory price (or at least stay at my old one).  The answer was no, no, and no again.  I then wondered out loud whether cancelling my service, then calling up and getting it a week later would make me a new customer. 

I was immediately transferred to the Customer Retention Office where they cancelled the price hike.

I don't know whether I would have been able to repeat that the following year, because I moved.

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« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2021, 02:50:17 AM »
$30/pm for a landline + 67Mbps connection
$11/pm for 10Gb mobile data/calls

UK based.. our internet costs seem to be lower available in the US.
Not as fast or fancy as some, but for these prices I'm not complaining at all. I still remember getting my internet through dial-up and paying telephone rates.

Smaller island and all that I guess.

I'm paying $75AUD/$58USD per month for 50 down/20 up with a 500GB cap, and my phone is $25AUD/$19USD for 15GB (banked and currently 88GB) per 28 days. Now I'm working mostly in the office I could probably drop the line speed and save a tenner.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2021, 04:52:52 AM »
Anyone tried using a mobile hotspot for home internet?

Looks like most providers will throttle hotspot data after 20GB or so, not sure if the internet is usable when throttled.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2021, 05:03:08 AM »
My dad is on a $23.50 plan through Teltik, a T-Mobile reseller. It's "5GB" and then potentially throttled but he can still watch YouTube (his primary usage of high bandwidth) above the 5GB. I'm using a Netgear 120 (?) LTE modem that has an ethernet port, so I run wire to a router, and then from there to his computer.

He has great signal where he lives and is a relatively light user. Your conditions may vary!

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« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2021, 11:01:24 AM »
I pay $50/mo for shitty slow-but-stable 6mbps/768kbps AT&T DSL (that we could never get again because they've abandoned their copper lines for new customers) and $35/mo for AT&T's unlimited data "iPad plan" (they don't seem to mind if you use 200-300GB/mo) on an LTE hotspot plugged into our network.  The hotspot usually gives around 40mbps down and 10-20mbps up these days which is "good enough" most of the time.  DSL is mostly as backup when something stupid happens with the hotspot.  Most demanding things we do are my wife uploading client photos (she's a pro photographer) and me working from (just a plain old RDP connection, but 768k up really doesn't cut it for that).  Weirdly though, Netflix doesn't mind 6mbps DSL at all.

Overall it's a manageable setup, but I'd kill for the 1000/250 fiber for $80/mo we had back in the burbs.  I'd be willing to pay a lot more for a lot less.

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« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2021, 07:56:35 PM »
Comcast pricing:     ($100 installation fee and 1.2 TB/mo data limit)
 25 Mpbs = $25/mo (1 year service agreement)

For me, Comcast 25 Mbps 1.2 TB limit = $20/mo (no install fees but had to pay $30 for first month) with auto paperless billing and by buying my own cable modem.
 BUT..... that's only a 1 year intro price, and they raised the regular monthly cost from $53 to $56/mo, which I will soon have to pay as my first year soon ends, although I expect to continue get the $10/mo auto paperless billing discount still, making my net cost going forward $46/mo, unless they raise it yet again, which is almost certain.  If I was renting a modem, that would be an additional $14/mo.

Sadly, Comcast is the best I can get.  A wireless provider gave me slower intermittent service, and two providers that serve on fiber in my city don't have the infrastructure in place in my neighborhood.

OK, my  Comcast intro pricing ended, so my monthly fee for 25 Mbps went up to $46.

But before I even made my first payment of $46, Comcast notified me that my internet bandwidth was being increased from 25 Mbps to 50 Mbps and would not result in a price increase.

My old 802.11g wireless router topped out at about 32 Mbps when I overclocked it.  I verified I could get 57 Mbps by bypassing the router momentarily to my wired desktop PC to run a test.  Then I put the old router back into place.  I already ordered a new router to take advantage of the new bandwidth, and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow.  So, I'm glad to get my speed doubled for free, albeit having to buy a new router.  I already have my own cable modem, which is fully capable (and tested as noted).

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« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2021, 06:52:13 AM »
Comcast pricing:     ($100 installation fee and 1.2 TB/mo data limit)
 25 Mpbs = $25/mo (1 year service agreement)

For me, Comcast 25 Mbps 1.2 TB limit = $20/mo (no install fees but had to pay $30 for first month) with auto paperless billing and by buying my own cable modem.
 BUT..... that's only a 1 year intro price, and they raised the regular monthly cost from $53 to $56/mo, which I will soon have to pay as my first year soon ends, although I expect to continue get the $10/mo auto paperless billing discount still, making my net cost going forward $46/mo, unless they raise it yet again, which is almost certain.  If I was renting a modem, that would be an additional $14/mo.

Sadly, Comcast is the best I can get.  A wireless provider gave me slower intermittent service, and two providers that serve on fiber in my city don't have the infrastructure in place in my neighborhood.

OK, my  Comcast intro pricing ended, so my monthly fee for 25 Mbps went up to $46.

But before I even made my first payment of $46, Comcast notified me that my internet bandwidth was being increased from 25 Mbps to 50 Mbps and would not result in a price increase.

My old 802.11g wireless router topped out at about 32 Mbps when I overclocked it.  I verified I could get 57 Mbps by bypassing the router momentarily to my wired desktop PC to run a test.  Then I put the old router back into place.  I already ordered a new router to take advantage of the new bandwidth, and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow.  So, I'm glad to get my speed doubled for free, albeit having to buy a new router.  I already have my own cable modem, which is fully capable (and tested as noted).

I received the same email from comcast that their doubling my speed at no charge, may be T-mobile 5g is putting pressure on them?

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« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2021, 10:06:16 AM »
I spoke with my neighbor.  He works as a wow contractor and works on the service line drops.  Touching anything without an order in the system is apparently a big no-no.  He says it's $50 to have it relocated, or you can sign up for their service protection plan for $5/mo, have it moved, then call back a couple weeks later and cancel the plan, which is what he recommends doing.  But it all has to be coordinated officially through WOW.  He will likely be the contractor assigned to us since he is 2 doors from our house. 

I contacted wow and they dropped my monthly service from $53.99 to $43.99 with absolutely no resistance.  Since this is the out the door price, and the $39.99 normal price listed on the website excludes taxes and fees, I think this is fair.  I don't feel like pushing to get a cheaper rate since this seems fair compared with their advertised rates.  They agreed to lock the rate for 12 months, but the account itself is not under a contract.

I asked them about the service plan, but they said the plan does not cover ariel line drops to the house and I'd have to pay $50 for that on my next bill.  I agreed since it was the only option they offered and they are scheduled to come out and relocate the line on Friday.  Even with this $50 charge I am still going to save $70 over the next year.

So they lied and this is not the out the door price.  There is now a $2.91 "Cable franchise fee" and a $0.55 "PEG access fee" on my statement which have never been on any previous statements.  I don't know if these are recurring or one time charges or if they are going to change.  I also can't tell if the are applicable to me since I only have internet and do not have cable tv.  I could ask WOW but I don't trust them.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2021, 10:38:56 AM »
Anyone tried using a mobile hotspot for home internet?

Looks like most providers will throttle hotspot data after 20GB or so, not sure if the internet is usable when throttled.

Many times in multiple countries even (good ol' Optus $2 days). It seems to be highly dependent on the hardware used. Sometimes a dedicated mobile modem works best, except when they decide that those users need to be throttled like all heck. So then you switch to an actual hotspot on a phone, which works ok-ish, until it doesn't.

Right now I'm using the T-Mobile home internet that is able to connect to 5G (you're not actually guaranteed 5G). Just did a speedtest nowhere near the router (I do have a mesh setup, so I'm not too terribly far from one) and got just over 200mb/s down and 20mb/s up, 50ms ping. I haven't seen it drop unreasonably low, except a couple times where everything just times out for 5-10 minutes (rebooting the modem doesn't help), then it's back to normal. It's like $60/mo.

Also have DSL, quick speedtest from my phone shows about 60mb/s down and 45mb/s up, ping 34ms. Usually the down is over 100mb/s, it's possible someone's streaming something somewhere. It's also possible the modem just needs a reboot (I do that every Sunday, so it should be fine) or maybe it's something else. Pay about $45/mo.

Used to have Xfinity. It was just over $70/mo for 1gb/s, which probably was nearly that speed (I'd easily go over 300mb/s with speedtests...over wifi; a direct connection could see over 900mb/s). I forget the upload speed. It was the best most reliable connection when it worked. But sometimes it would be out for a bit, sometimes it'd be out for the day. I had both cable and dsl because if one was out, the other would pick up the slack. Except whenever dsl was out cable was too, and sometimes cable was out when dsl wasn't. So...cable never served as a backup to dsl. It eventually had to go.

Oh, quick anecdote, when we signed up for Xfinity (owned by Comcast) it was a one year contract with a two year price guarantee. They didn't raise prices during the second year, and didn't charge any cancellation fee when we cancelled after the first year but before the second.

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« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2021, 03:05:34 PM »
I'm moving back to a Centurylink/Cox area with DSL and Cable as the options. Verizon 5G not an option. No fiber. :(  In 2017 and 2019, I was able to get Centurylink to waive modem fee and installation fee, Centurylink will not budge on the $200 modem fee, which sucks because you can't provide your own.

I can get the following:

Centurylink  -80 Mb down / 10 Mb up - $50/mo plus $200 modem + $99 install, no contract, the Twiter rpe claims that even though they got rid of "price for life" marketing, the new "unlimited plans" don't have the price change unless you make a change.

Cox Straight up Prepaid  25 Mb down / ?? up  - $50/mo no fees price locked for 3 years, no contract  1.2 TB data, free modem and install

Earthlink - 30 Mb down / 1.5 Mb up - $60/mo 12 month contract, unlimited data

Cox - 25 Mb down / 3 Mb up - $30/mo 12 month teaser rate, regular price $45/mo, 12 month contract 1.2 TB data

Cox - 50 Mb down / 3 Mb up - $50/mo 12 month teaser rate, regular price $67/mo, 12 month contract 1.2 TB data

Cox - 150 Mb down / 10 Mb up $60/mo 12 month teaser rate, regular price $88/mo, 12 month contact 1.2 TB data

Cox - 500 Mb down / 10 Mb up $80/mo 12 month teaser rate, regular price $100/mo, 12 month contract 1.2 TB data

Cox - 940 Mb down / 35 Mb up $100/mo 12 month teaser rate, regular price $120/mo 12 motnh contract 1.2 TB data

I've only used Centurylink in the past (which was 40 Mb down / 4 Mb up, but for the longest time 1 of the 2 dsl lines was down and it didn't seem to really effect me, despite tons of streaming video)

I feel like there's no good options here, Cox and Earthlink has abysmal upload speeds on the cheap plans, Centurylink has the hefty modem cost....Centurylink I never had too much down time, but this is a different part of dwon which apparently gets double the speed on the DSL.
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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2021, 09:39:29 AM »
I spoke with my neighbor.  He works as a wow contractor and works on the service line drops.  Touching anything without an order in the system is apparently a big no-no.  He says it's $50 to have it relocated, or you can sign up for their service protection plan for $5/mo, have it moved, then call back a couple weeks later and cancel the plan, which is what he recommends doing.  But it all has to be coordinated officially through WOW.  He will likely be the contractor assigned to us since he is 2 doors from our house. 

I contacted wow and they dropped my monthly service from $53.99 to $43.99 with absolutely no resistance.  Since this is the out the door price, and the $39.99 normal price listed on the website excludes taxes and fees, I think this is fair.  I don't feel like pushing to get a cheaper rate since this seems fair compared with their advertised rates.  They agreed to lock the rate for 12 months, but the account itself is not under a contract.

I asked them about the service plan, but they said the plan does not cover ariel line drops to the house and I'd have to pay $50 for that on my next bill.  I agreed since it was the only option they offered and they are scheduled to come out and relocate the line on Friday.  Even with this $50 charge I am still going to save $70 over the next year.

So they lied and this is not the out the door price.  There is now a $2.91 "Cable franchise fee" and a $0.55 "PEG access fee" on my statement which have never been on any previous statements.  I don't know if these are recurring or one time charges or if they are going to change.  I also can't tell if the are applicable to me since I only have internet and do not have cable tv.  I could ask WOW but I don't trust them.

They are recurring charges.

I also paid $50 to have them move my cable because we are building a garage.  The tech that was sent out just raised it a few feet instead of actually moving it.  It's still over a foot below where the peak of the garage will be, so not even close to the 3 feet of clearance required, and can't be raised higher because it doesn't come off the pole very high to begin with.  I called them again to have it moved and they wanted to charge me another $50 to move it, and I had to argue with them that I already paid and they didn't do it properly.  I originally requested it be moved as I didn't think raising it would give enough clearance, and sure enough it didn't, and that's absolutely not my problem. 

Would be really nice to get some real competition, and maybe for someone to run some legit fiber here. 

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2021, 02:47:28 PM »
I pay $14.99 /month total, including all fees and taxes. 30 mbps, unlimited data cap, cable. I am on an old grandfathered plan from 6 years ago that was never advertised. Six years ago the lady said this price was "good for life". So far she has been correct.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2021, 02:59:17 PM »
Currently paying $45 / month all-in for Centurylink 40MBps (25? memory is failing me). Supposedly that is a price-for-life, but service isn't great and I've got the fastest speed they provide in our neighborhood. Comcast is "never again" after they left us with no connection at all for two consecutive weeks years and years ago - not good for someone who works as a computer programmer.

MetroNet is building a fiber network and I'm going to switch. Centurylink speed is obviously a little wanting. I mean really it is fine, but I had 1 GB symmetrical during our California experiment, so my idea of what constitutes good internet speed at the house has shifted. Going to cost more - something like $80 or 90 / month with a two year agreement. I don't care much that it costs more, so long as it is fast and reliable. We'll see - they told me December.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2021, 12:37:33 PM »
Currently paying $45 / month all-in for Centurylink 40MBps (25? memory is failing me). Supposedly that is a price-for-life, but service isn't great and I've got the fastest speed they provide in our neighborhood. Comcast is "never again" after they left us with no connection at all for two consecutive weeks years and years ago - not good for someone who works as a computer programmer.

MetroNet is building a fiber network and I'm going to switch. Centurylink speed is obviously a little wanting. I mean really it is fine, but I had 1 GB symmetrical during our California experiment, so my idea of what constitutes good internet speed at the house has shifted. Going to cost more - something like $80 or 90 / month with a two year agreement. I don't care much that it costs more, so long as it is fast and reliable. We'll see - they told me December.
MetroNet is excellent, would definitely recommend.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2021, 03:34:05 PM »
Currently paying $45 / month all-in for Centurylink 40MBps (25? memory is failing me). Supposedly that is a price-for-life, but service isn't great and I've got the fastest speed they provide in our neighborhood. Comcast is "never again" after they left us with no connection at all for two consecutive weeks years and years ago - not good for someone who works as a computer programmer.

MetroNet is building a fiber network and I'm going to switch. Centurylink speed is obviously a little wanting. I mean really it is fine, but I had 1 GB symmetrical during our California experiment, so my idea of what constitutes good internet speed at the house has shifted. Going to cost more - something like $80 or 90 / month with a two year agreement. I don't care much that it costs more, so long as it is fast and reliable. We'll see - they told me December.
MetroNet is excellent, would definitely recommend.
just wish they were unrolling the spools a little faster.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2021, 08:39:59 PM »
I pay $14.99 /month total, including all fees and taxes. 30 mbps, unlimited data cap, cable. I am on an old grandfathered plan from 6 years ago that was never advertised. Six years ago the lady said this price was "good for life". So far she has been correct.

This is a beautiful thing and I am so happy for you! What ISP is it? I thought none of them grandfathered in things like that anymore- or is that due to some sort of local/state regulation?

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2021, 05:15:55 AM »
We pay $60/mo for 1000/1000 fiber from ATT.
Certainly worth it while working from home.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2021, 05:58:36 PM »
I think we're at $45/month for Spectrum, something like 45Gbps, been at that rate for about two years now. Switched accounts after they wouldn't continue discounted pricing under my name.

It's not great, but we don't need all that much bandwidth. I'm still hoping that faster speeds become available for lower prices within the next five or ten years.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2021, 07:06:44 AM »
Assuming you mean 45 Mbps. Otherwise some of us are jealous.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #92 on: July 24, 2021, 07:47:59 AM »
I pay $14.99 /month total, including all fees and taxes. 30 mbps, unlimited data cap, cable. I am on an old grandfathered plan from 6 years ago that was never advertised. Six years ago the lady said this price was "good for life". So far she has been correct.

This is a beautiful thing and I am so happy for you! What ISP is it? I thought none of them grandfathered in things like that anymore- or is that due to some sort of local/state regulation?

Believe it or not, but it is Spectrum. I was talking to one of the Spectrum employees last year and she had never heard of my plan. When it was Time Warner Cable this was the " Everyday low price" plan. Also known as ELP plan, 14.99 for life they said. It was originally just 750 kbps down, and was designed to compete with DSL plans at the time. Time warner stopped offering it years ago. Even when they did offer it you had to call in and ask for it by name. It was not listed on their website.

Eventually they increased the speed to 1 mbps, then 2 mbps. Spectrum bought them and bombarded me with ads, emails, and phone calls to upgrade. I never did. Eventually they increased the speed to 3 mbps, then 30 mbps. The price always staid the same. I suspect many people who had the plan dropped it when 1-2 mbps was not enough for them.

I suspect the company just forgot about the few customers who kept this plan over the years...

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2021, 04:24:14 PM »
Assuming you mean 45 Mbps. Otherwise some of us are jealous.

Ah yes. Mbps. Not a tech savvy person here.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2021, 08:59:11 AM »
Currently paying $45 / month all-in for Centurylink 40MBps (25? memory is failing me). Supposedly that is a price-for-life, but service isn't great and I've got the fastest speed they provide in our neighborhood. Comcast is "never again" after they left us with no connection at all for two consecutive weeks years and years ago - not good for someone who works as a computer programmer.

MetroNet is building a fiber network and I'm going to switch. Centurylink speed is obviously a little wanting. I mean really it is fine, but I had 1 GB symmetrical during our California experiment, so my idea of what constitutes good internet speed at the house has shifted. Going to cost more - something like $80 or 90 / month with a two year agreement. I don't care much that it costs more, so long as it is fast and reliable. We'll see - they told me December.
MetroNet is excellent, would definitely recommend.
just wish they were unrolling the spools a little faster.
They are worth the wait.  We had them for a few years with gigabit for $80/mo and I'd kill for that again.  I signed up the day it was available in our old neighborhood.

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« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2021, 05:12:22 PM »
We pay $81 a month.  It's local and the only provider.  At least it is fiber optic and fast most of the time.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2021, 10:39:33 PM »
I spoke with my neighbor.  He works as a wow contractor and works on the service line drops.  Touching anything without an order in the system is apparently a big no-no.  He says it's $50 to have it relocated, or you can sign up for their service protection plan for $5/mo, have it moved, then call back a couple weeks later and cancel the plan, which is what he recommends doing.  But it all has to be coordinated officially through WOW.  He will likely be the contractor assigned to us since he is 2 doors from our house. 

I contacted wow and they dropped my monthly service from $53.99 to $43.99 with absolutely no resistance.  Since this is the out the door price, and the $39.99 normal price listed on the website excludes taxes and fees, I think this is fair.  I don't feel like pushing to get a cheaper rate since this seems fair compared with their advertised rates.  They agreed to lock the rate for 12 months, but the account itself is not under a contract.

I asked them about the service plan, but they said the plan does not cover ariel line drops to the house and I'd have to pay $50 for that on my next bill.  I agreed since it was the only option they offered and they are scheduled to come out and relocate the line on Friday.  Even with this $50 charge I am still going to save $70 over the next year.

So they lied and this is not the out the door price.  There is now a $2.91 "Cable franchise fee" and a $0.55 "PEG access fee" on my statement which have never been on any previous statements.  I don't know if these are recurring or one time charges or if they are going to change.  I also can't tell if the are applicable to me since I only have internet and do not have cable tv.  I could ask WOW but I don't trust them.

They are recurring charges.

I also paid $50 to have them move my cable because we are building a garage.  The tech that was sent out just raised it a few feet instead of actually moving it.  It's still over a foot below where the peak of the garage will be, so not even close to the 3 feet of clearance required, and can't be raised higher because it doesn't come off the pole very high to begin with.  I called them again to have it moved and they wanted to charge me another $50 to move it, and I had to argue with them that I already paid and they didn't do it properly.  I originally requested it be moved as I didn't think raising it would give enough clearance, and sure enough it didn't, and that's absolutely not my problem. 

Would be really nice to get some real competition, and maybe for someone to run some legit fiber here.

The cable franchise and PEG fee were apparently one time only (or were in error), as they have dropped back off the statements.

They did however go ahead and charge me another $50 to move the line again.  I just had a very frustrating online chat with WOW and they flat out refused to refund it.  They said I consented to it, and I definitely didn't so I asked him to check the chat transcript.  He did, and then told me I did consent to it.  I asked him to send me the transcript and he said it's internal only, he can't send it to me.  Luckily for me I don't trust wow so I saved my own copy of the chat transcript, so I dug it out and send him the relevant portion where I refused to consent to pay because it was their fuckup for not doing it properly the first time, and the rep said ok and proceeded with the order.  Even after I sent the chat to him he was claiming I consented and the charges can't be reversed.  I asked him to stop lying, I obviously have a copy of the actual chat because I just sent it to you, but he wouldn't budge and continued lying and also claiming he wasn't lying. It was very frustrating, and also surreal to be literally looking at the transcript and have him continue to lie to me, even after I sent him the transcript.  I ended up actually calling in over the phone and had a $50 credit in my account within 5 minutes.

Another stressful hour lost to the bullshit grind WOW makes me go through.

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Re: What do you pay for internet? What should I pay?
« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2021, 05:17:46 PM »
We've got the $35/mo plus taxes (still under $40) net through Verizon FIOS. We have the 200 mbps service which for us (2 adults, 1 tv that streams in the evening and 2 cell phones on wifi) is enough for us. We have the military discount (-$5 off from the lowest plan) and own our own router. We ordered the install online so that saved $99. At least it isn't an intro rate so this is what we will be paying till we switch or they raise it across the board.

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« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2021, 08:29:14 PM »
And wow has secretly enabled data caps.   My sister said she just got hit with an overage for going over, so I checked my account and sure enough they put in a 1.5TB monthly data cap.  I don't remember getting any notification from them about this, and I can't find any in my email.

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« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2021, 10:58:59 AM »
Earlier this month my 24 month price was up with WOW internet ($30).  I got a mailer from Xfinity with a $20 price, so went to Wow's website to see what they are offering.  They have a $19.99 plan for 12 months.  So I called, mentioned the mailer and asked for the online price.  They gave it to me.  The whole process took about 5 minutes.  It was a nice surprise as I was fully expecting to have to switch carriers.

I checked and mine also has the 1.5Tb cap.