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What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« on: April 22, 2018, 07:32:26 PM »
I have a friend that told me they get a stipend each month from their employer.  They have to buy their own phone though.  When the company announced this new stipend, they already had a phone anyway. 

They then hooked their email up on their phone at the request of the employer to be more accessible.

However, they noticed in outlook that the "notes" on their iphone appeared on a tab in their desktop outlook application at work.

Does this mean that the IT guys that manage the corporate outlook can also peruse through and read the "iphone notes" that are stored securely on their phone behind a password?

Wow! crazy if true.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2018, 07:42:39 PM »
I have a friend that told me they get a stipend each month from their employer.  They have to buy their own phone though.  When the company announced this new stipend, they already had a phone anyway. 

They then hooked their email up on their phone at the request of the employer to be more accessible.

However, they noticed in outlook that the "notes" on their iphone appeared on a tab in their desktop outlook application at work.

Does this mean that the IT guys that manage the corporate outlook can also peruse through and read the "iphone notes" that are stored securely on their phone behind a password?

Wow! crazy if true.

It sounds like you’re talking about notes on outlook app on both devices being synced through an exchange server.  That’s not crazy, that’s a feature.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 08:07:50 PM »
All the porn you've been watching. :D

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 08:09:02 PM »
Try doing this, except slide the notes switch to "off."

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-sync-iphone-notes-with-exchange

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 08:56:59 AM »
I was a Corp. Outlook moderator (I did the daily admin. processes, with close coordination with the actual admin.).  We had our own Outlook server on site.
Admins can NOT see anyone's Email, or notes (etc.).
We had a Jr manager that was fired for sharing company secrets.   The Outlook admin spent over a week with Outlook support trying to access the jr mngr's Email...  There's no way to do it with out it being very obvious to the Email account user.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 09:09:47 AM »
I was a Corp. Outlook moderator (I did the daily admin. processes, with close coordination with the actual admin.).  We had our own Outlook server on site.
Admins can NOT see anyone's Email, or notes (etc.).
We had a Jr manager that was fired for sharing company secrets.   The Outlook admin spent over a week with Outlook support trying to access the jr mngr's Email...  There's no way to do it with out it being very obvious to the Email account user.

I will have to disagree with this.  If it's the company email (as opposed to your private icloud or gmail account), then the Company already has access to everything you send and receive, regardless of whether your phone is linked to your company email or not.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 09:49:51 AM »
What about websites (like MMM) when viewed through the Opera browser and using the built in VPN?

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 10:19:26 AM »
I agree with the above poster about the e-mail. If it is company e-mail, then your employer will be able to look through it whenever they want. A particular manager might not be able to do so, but someone can and will if there is a need. If you are using company e-mail for anything other than company business, that is a big mistake. It is trivial to open a personal e-mail account. Why would you take the risk of sending something through company mail you do not want them to see?

As for web sites, if you are using the company provided VPN service, then yes, they can see the sites you are going to. It is often tracked by network ID(whatever credential you used to connect to the VPN). If you are not connected to the company Wi-Fi or using a company provided VPN, then chances are they will not know.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 10:20:45 AM »
My company has been pushing us to link our accounts with our phone. Mail, calendar, certain programs we use.
I and several of my co-workers have refused.
My phone is personal and when I'm not at work, I don't want to be accessible 24 hours a day.
Plus if they want us to link these to a phone, they will have to provide me with a company phone. We don't get a stipend or anything for incentive either.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 10:24:15 AM »
It likely depends. In my case, my company can see everything that I do on my phone. Everything. Part of downloading the outlook app is they can see the whole phone, not just stuff within outlook.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 10:25:13 AM »
A place I used to work for did the same thing to us. Unfortunately for them, my phone was so old that it made such a thing impossible for me so they dropped the matter.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 10:29:21 AM »
My company has been pushing us to link our accounts with our phone. Mail, calendar, certain programs we use.
I and several of my co-workers have refused.
My phone is personal and when I'm not at work, I don't want to be accessible 24 hours a day.
Plus if they want us to link these to a phone, they will have to provide me with a company phone. We don't get a stipend or anything for incentive either.
My company did provide phones to some, but also instituted a BYOD policy.  Under that policy, if you linked your personal phone/device to your work account(s), when you leave the company they can take your device for a month (? I don’t remember the exact amount of time) so that they could check and make sure that you didn’t have any confidential or proprietary information on the device.

Nope, nope, nope. Not worth it to me. And there is nothing interesting on my device.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 10:55:10 AM »
It depends on how your employer has things setup and what they choose to track / allow.

As someone that has managed corporate and BYOD devices I would say it is best to keep your personal and work separate. It sucks but I carry two devices the one that work provides and my personal device. If my work said that I had to enroll my personal device as a company BYOD I would say no thanks.

Why you might ask?

As an admin, I had the ability to remote wipe the phone, view the location of the phone, lock it, put a message on the screen, uninstall and install apps, view / monitor data usage and see data on the phone.

Get in a car accident while driving a company vehicle? Yep they check to see if the phone was locked or being used and what for at the time of the accident.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 10:58:06 AM »
If we BYOD we have to install a security feature that makes it pretty clear that they can see ANYTHING we do on the phone. We also have to hand over the phone in the rare case of an investigation that would subpoena it.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 11:07:07 AM »
My employer, too, has  BYOD policy. The end goal is to move away from coporate-issued phones altogether (except for a select few who it makes sense for them to stay on company phones). They offer a monthly stipend towards your phone bill, but in order to hook everything up, you need AirWatch installed.

Nope. Not installing that. I've tried in the past but it's universally terrible for Android users and even though there is a clear policy in place for what IS is authorized to see, I just don't need that level of invasion. I have my work laptop and am more than willing to field calls on my personal phone in lieu of carrying 2 devices and/or having AirWatch installed.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2018, 01:40:42 AM »
I agree with the above poster about the e-mail. If it is company e-mail, then your employer will be able to look through it whenever they want. A particular manager might not be able to do so, but someone can and will if there is a need. If you are using company e-mail for anything other than company business, that is a big mistake. It is trivial to open a personal e-mail account. Why would you take the risk of sending something through company mail you do not want them to see?

As for web sites, if you are using the company provided VPN service, then yes, they can see the sites you are going to. It is often tracked by network ID(whatever credential you used to connect to the VPN). If you are not connected to the company Wi-Fi or using a company provided VPN, then chances are they will not know.


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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2018, 04:27:04 AM »
Does this mean that the IT guys that manage the corporate outlook can also peruse through and read the "iphone notes" that are stored securely on their phone behind a password?

I can see anything synced to an Exchange server very easily, and the mailbox owner wouldn't know it, including things which have been recently deleted.  However, I only do that when it is required for my job.   Also, if any additional software is installed to a phone for security/management, there is a chance of other data being accessible, but that depends on the software and config.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2018, 08:53:14 AM »
I am guessing that the "IT guys that manage the corporate outlook" do not care enough about you to read your notes.  Yes if you are using company VPN to access email they can see all your browsing traffic, still it is not like they are spending their days sifting through VPN traffic logs.  Regardless I would never ever sync outlook to my phone.

If it is a corporate device, typically they can trivially reset your password and access your email etc.  One time a guy in IT changed my password so he could remotely fix something on my laptop, then left me a voicemail saying he had emailed me the temporary password... not sure how he thought I would see the email...

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2018, 04:34:18 PM »
All the porn you've been watching. :D

Exactly.  Read between the lines :)

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2018, 08:28:39 PM »
My wife turned down her employer credit because she valued her privacy and didn't want to give them the ability to wipe her phone. She does use her personal phone but only to make phone calls. No email. That's only done while at home during work hours. 2018 will be different but we would write off phone service at I think 50% which wasn't a ton back on taxes but still something.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2018, 08:12:02 AM »
We get a monthly stipend to BYOD.  We have a work profile installed on the phone, which gives IT access to install/manage individual apps.  So I have a work profile gmail app with only my work email, and I have a separate gmail app with all my personal emails.  I also have a separate work profile apps for gdrive, calendar, etc.  My company can only access stuff that falls under the work profile.  All apps not under the work profile remain private.  Or so I've been led to believe by the company, and also by google (I don't trust my company, so I checked out what google support has to say).

But there is no policy that restricts me from watching porn in my non-work profile so long as I don't use the company internet or company time.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2018, 02:11:08 PM »
Try doing this, except slide the notes switch to "off."

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-sync-iphone-notes-with-exchange

That's not quite how my ios looks.  That said, when tryign something similar it said it would delete my notes which i don't want to happen either.

What's interesting, is it would appear you can write in a note something as simple as a reminder and if someone is reading through one's copious notes, it could have very detrimental affects on one's career.  SHould it happen?  No

Could it happen? absolutely.

we have BYOD and get a stipend.  Nothing in the T&Cs makes it clear that things other than your email (which is obviously on a company server) could be read by management that may want some insight into your opinions on things.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2018, 01:33:54 AM »
I was a Corp. Outlook moderator (I did the daily admin. processes, with close coordination with the actual admin.).  We had our own Outlook server on site.
Admins can NOT see anyone's Email, or notes (etc.).
We had a Jr manager that was fired for sharing company secrets.   The Outlook admin spent over a week with Outlook support trying to access the jr mngr's Email...  There's no way to do it with out it being very obvious to the Email account user.

This is unbelievably wrong. It's piss easy. Assuming you don't have some sort of built in monitoring tool for HIPAA, sarbanes or PCI compliance (that retains emails, searches for keywords, etc) that gives you instant access at the click of a button and is always monitoring emails for this sort of stuff, it's unbelievably simple to do, which it should be.

If you're in Office 365, you go to the admin interface, open EAC (Exchange Admin Centre)

then click Recipients, then Mailboxes

Click Edit.

Click Mailbox Delegation

click Add, under Full access, add any account you want to have access

click Save.

Login to that account, click open mailbox, open that mailbox.

NB: you can't send as or send on behalf of unless you explicitly add those privileges, for some reason MS decided that "full access" should not be "full control"

For bonus points if you've got on prem exchange let me know and I'll walk you through it in Exchange server 2000, 2003, 2007, 2010, 2013 & 2016. Being able to do it with GUI (in powershell) is a standard Exchange server certification question, so you will need to know it if you ever want to do it.

You can also to it in lotus notes & every other email system I've ever been on the admin side, it's a basic & standard feature I honestly have no idea how you can say it can't be done. As in I'm totally baffled how anyone who reportedly works in this space can think this. I can think of multiple other ways to do it too, e.g. export the mailbox to a file & then just check the file.

Open powershell with your admin account (or any account that has the mailbox import export role, powershell to add that role:
New-ManagementRoleAssignment –Role "Mailbox Import Export" –User Administrator

Then run this command:
New-MailboxExportRequest -Mailbox [junior manager's username] -FilePath \[whatyouwantthefiletobecalled and whereyouwantit].pst

Then congrats, you've extracted it.
If it's taking awhile, run get-MailboxExportRequest to see the status

This is level 1 helpdesk stuff. You should know this if you're going to be an email admin and you definitely should not be making false claims that it can't be done. In most countries your employer has the right to read & monitor your email, it's an absolute necessity for compliance programs in numerous industries.

NEVER send anything via a work supplied email account unless you would be happy for your employer to read it. Ideally don't even use their internet or device to send it.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 01:38:28 AM by Louis XIV »

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2018, 09:36:55 AM »
I was a Corp. Outlook moderator (I did the daily admin. processes, with close coordination with the actual admin.).  We had our own Outlook server on site.
Admins can NOT see anyone's Email, or notes (etc.).
We had a Jr manager that was fired for sharing company secrets.   The Outlook admin spent over a week with Outlook support trying to access the jr mngr's Email...  There's no way to do it with out it being very obvious to the Email account user.

This is unbelievably wrong.

This was already refuted by some of us earlier in this thread.

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 03:06:34 PM »
I agree with the above poster about the e-mail. If it is company e-mail, then your employer will be able to look through it whenever they want. A particular manager might not be able to do so, but someone can and will if there is a need. If you are using company e-mail for anything other than company business, that is a big mistake. It is trivial to open a personal e-mail account. Why would you take the risk of sending something through company mail you do not want them to see?

As for web sites, if you are using the company provided VPN service, then yes, they can see the sites you are going to. It is often tracked by network ID(whatever credential you used to connect to the VPN). If you are not connected to the company Wi-Fi or using a company provided VPN, then chances are they will not know.


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Does the fact that Opera is owned by "Beijing Kunlun Tech Co., Ltd." bother you? I used Opera for years but I don't know now. I have similar concerns with social media. And employer software on BYOP situations. Privacy.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 03:09:33 PM by Just Joe »

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Re: What can your employer see on your iPhone?
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2018, 03:39:40 PM »
I don't know, but I always chuckle when I forget to disconnect the work VPN before pointing my Chrome browser at Pornhub.

"This is blocked content - Category - Pornography"